The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over

Several days ago, the VO published a material on the situation in the NKR “Why did the mercenaries in the NKR become a destabilizing fact for both sides?”, The main idea of ​​which was the idea of ​​the need to end the conflict as soon as possible. They fought. The situation is really at an impasse. Both sides were at war. In principle, the Azerbaijani army almost completely fulfilled the assigned tasks, and the Armenian defended itself as much as the forces and means of units and subunits allowed.

I argued that further hostilities would not change the situation. With huge losses, Baku will continue the offensive, and with comparable losses, Yerevan will gradually withdraw to the territory of Armenia. The only way to resolve the conflict and prevent it from turning into a long-term frozen confrontation was to negotiate peace between the parties and conclude a peace agreement. 

The problem of Nagorno-Karabakh cannot be left unresolved for centuries

Karabakh should be transferred to Azerbaijan according to the decision of the UN Security Council. Any questions that may arise during the negotiations should be resolved through diplomacy. And then it happened. Armenia and Azerbaijan, with the mediation of Russia, signed a ceasefire agreement. Below I will give the full text of the agreement in order to avoid misinterpretations and various interpretations:
“We, President of the Republic of Azerbaijan I. G. Aliyev, Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia N. V. Pashinyan and President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin, declared the following:

1. A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict are declared from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, stop at their positions.

2. The Agdam region and the territories held by the Armenian Party in the Gazakh region of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to the Azerbaijan Party until November 20, 2020.

3. Along the line of contact in Nagorno-Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, a peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is deployed in the amount of 1960 troops with a rifle weapons, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automobile and special equipment.

4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.

5. In order to increase the effectiveness of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping center is being deployed to control the ceasefire.

6. The Republic of Armenia will return the Kelbajar region to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020, and the Lachin region by December 1, 2020, leaving behind the Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will ensure the connection of Nagorno-Karabakh with Armenia and at the same time not will affect the city of Shusha. By agreement of the Parties, in the next three years, a plan for the construction of a new traffic route along the Lachin corridor will be determined, providing communication between Stepanakert and Armenia, with the subsequent redeployment of the Russian peacekeeping contingent to protect this route. The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

7. Internally displaced persons and refugees are returning to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

8. The exchange of prisoners of war and other detainees and bodies of the dead is carried out.

9. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia provides transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia.

By agreement of the Parties, construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured. "

As you can see, the agreement is very clear and understandable. Moreover, the parties not only undertake obligations, but, judging by some points, they will raise the issue with the UN Security Council about the approval of this agreement at the highest level. This is probably the most important point in the negotiations. It is the resolution of the conflict, not a temporary truce. 

Peacekeepers of Russia

To ensure the implementation of the agreement, as well as to create conditions for the fulfillment of the points on the exchange of prisoners and bodies of the dead, Russian peacekeepers are being brought into the region. Already, units of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade of the Central Military District from Ulyanovsk have arrived there. Transportation is carried out by Russian aircraft VTA Il-76. 

According to TASS reports, a total of 1960 peacekeepers and 470 pieces of equipment will be introduced, of which 380 are cars and 90 armored personnel carriers. At the moment, armored personnel carriers and other wheeled vehicles are being loaded onto aircraft.

A very important issue that worries many today is the issue of the Turkish units that are now located on the territory of the NGO. The answer to this question came only from President Aliyev. Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish units. However, there will be Russians directly on the contact line.

How long is the contract for? At the moment, the agreement has been concluded for five years. Both Baku and Yerevan consider such a period of stay of Russian troops in Nagorno-Karabakh sufficient. However, if necessary, if Armenia and Azerbaijan do not mind the presence of peacekeepers in the NPO, the agreement is automatically extended in five years.

It seems to me that this agreement is the main victory of both sides in this war. Thousands of lives have been saved, the Armenian part of Karabakh has been preserved, and the killing of civilians has been stopped. 

The world should be forever

The Karabakh problem has not been solved for centuries. The conflict flared up and then faded. It must be solved today. It's too early to say that everything has already been decided. Surely today in both states there will be forces that will declare an unfair resolution of the conflict, the need to continue the struggle.

Alas, this cannot be avoided. Radicals, ready to fight to the last soldier and who often saw the front only on their home TV screens, were and will be. As will the shelling of our peacekeepers. There will be various gangs that will shit on everyone around. But it is necessary to go through this. It is really necessary to prove to the population of Nagorno-Karabakh that Azerbaijanis and Armenians can live side by side on this land.

Many questions will arise today about the downed Russian helicopter. It seems to me that the fact that Azerbaijan recognized that the helicopter was shot down by its servicemen by mistake and is ready to compensate for any demands of Russia should be accepted.

Yes, the lives of our pilots cannot be returned. No compensation can replace relatives and friends for the loss of a son, father, or husband. You can build a new helicopter, but, alas, people cannot be returned. But you cannot turn into savages, thirsty for blood, who asked for forgiveness and admitted his own guilt. It is difficult, very difficult to explain seemingly obvious things. Especially people who are in grief. But you have to explain.

On the whole, it seems to me that the foundation for the future world has been laid. Yes, there are long negotiations ahead, Yes, there will be many pitfalls. Yes, the parties will remember this war. But most importantly, the war is over today! 

Comments

[Brands]

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

In fact, it was your adult uncle, Russia! Are you tired of your sand war!

[Brands]

I am a Russian and a citizen of the Russian Federation.
I am for the Truth. And in this case, the truth is for the Azerbaijanis.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Merkit

I am a Russian and a citizen of the Russian Federation.
I am for the Truth. And in this case, the truth is for the Azerbaijanis.

Yeah, I believe ... with a Buryat name on the avatar and in a personal with an original Russian name Butunak or Batanak, depending on the transcription (bud). An officer's daughter?

[Brands]

Why with Buryat? This is a game nickname and nothing more. Far East, yes, any more questions?

[Civil]

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over

How is it suddenly over?
1. The status of Karabakh has not been determined.
2. Armenians hate Azerbaijanis, Azerbaijanis hate Armenians.
3. The interests of Russia and Turkey do not coincide.

Only a ceasefire is possible.

[boni592807]

Thanks [, for a realistic approach, so weary "urya-kry" (The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over).
This is just the beginning, it's huge opposition node of interestin, not even regional, and geopolitical.
History - Allegedly, a shot from the coast guard boats in the direction of the US Army ships led to a major war in Vietnam. There was also "Urya-ya-ya", though the USA. Well, who could have guessed that some kind of Vietnam is piling the USA on the world power. Between the lines that took part there, almost all opponents, incl. by lags (cap and social), and territorial.
I don’t know how it would be beneficial for Azerbaijan and Armenia. You can already hear that one was not allowed to winь, others that betrayed themи... And between them again, as in the USSR OUR guys. And in a straight line, through Georgia (a large satellite of the US AND NATO) WILL NOT GET THERE. And what if THAT, THAT, THEN ...
and another, why, they did not decide for 30 years, but now it took off ... What, it was not calculated in 30 years or how ...This is with the Aggravation in the West - Black Sea, Baltic, North, Belarus, Transnistria, DPR and LPR ..

[LifeIsGood]

So what? Are you a racist? A person who is a citizen of the Russian Federation means he has the FULL right to call himself Russian! And who is he by nationality Buryat, Kirghiz or even French to one place.
And such statements as yours do not cause anything but gagging.

[Herman 4223]

Buryat, Kyrgyz is more of an ethnic group. Nation is a broader concept, within one nation there can be many ethnic groups. The USA is also considered a nation and they are members of the corresponding organization of the United Nations.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: LifeIsGood

So what? Are you a racist? A person who is a citizen of the Russian Federation means he has the FULL right to call himself Russian! And who is he by nationality Buryat, Kirghiz or even French to one place.
And such statements as yours do not cause anything but gagging.

A citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to call himself a Russian. He can also be called Russian, but if he is Buryat, then he will not be Russian because of this, not one iota

[BastaKarapuzik And]

For the Germans, everyone who was in the trenches against them with arms in hand was all Russian. And before the revolution it was about the same, except for those cases when nationalism was already giving rise to growth. Can we call Pushkin Russian? Because he was a native speaker and a prominent representative of Russian culture. In my opinion, this is exactly the case, if for a person the Russian language is native, and if Russian culture has been absorbed by him from childhood, and if he considers himself Russian, then he is Russian. Is it possible that someone was going to measure his skull with a ruler, as the Nazis did during the war? Let these first measure themselves. Because questions arise as to whether they themselves are representatives of the Russian world, regardless of the entry in the passport, hair and eye color.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

For the Germans, everyone who was in the trenches against them with arms in hand was all Russian. And before the revolution it was about the same, except for those cases when nationalism was already giving rise to growth. Can we call Pushkin Russian? Because he was a native speaker and a prominent representative of Russian culture. In my opinion, this is exactly the case, if for a person the Russian language is native, and if Russian culture has been absorbed by him from childhood, and if he considers himself Russian, then he is Russian. Is it possible that someone was going to measure his skull with a ruler, as the Nazis did during the war? Let these first measure themselves. Because questions arise as to whether they themselves are representatives of the Russian world, regardless of the entry in the passport, hair and eye color.

Ok, Stalin was Russian and Barclay de Tolly too. Can a Negro be Russian if he absorbs culture from childhood? And if I consider myself a member of the feline family, can I be a cat?

[anzar]

And if I consider myself a member of the feline family, can I be a cat?

You can. They will call you Mowgli))

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Catherine was German, just like our other monarchs were related to European dynasties. This did not prevent them from being called Russian tsars.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: BastaKarapuzikI

Catherine was German, just like our other monarchs were related to European dynasties. This did not prevent them from being called Russian tsars.

[72jora72]

And if I consider myself a member of the feline family, can I be a cat?

No, in this case you can safely consider yourself a patient with galleanthropy.
They say that electricity is good ...

[72jora72]

A citizen of the Russian Federation has the right to call himself a Russian. He can also be called Russian, but if he is Buryat, then he will not be Russian because of this, not one iota

Russian, this is not a nationality, Russian, this is a state of mind, this is a special philosophy.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

What the hell would be true for one side? Armenians and Azerbaijanis have been living in Karabakh for 1000 years (Armenians - 3000 years) and all this thousand are slaughtering each other. There are no rights and everyone is to blame. The only fair decision is the division of Karabakh, but the Caucasians are unlikely to give up the pleasure of slaughtering each other after that.

[Boris55]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

The only fair decision is the division of Karabakh

There is one more solution. Armenians and Azeris will return to Russian civilization, to Russia and peace will come in their villages.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Those who do not regret the USSR have no heart; those who dream of its revival have no head.

[Herman 4223]

It's good to drive American propaganda here, the territory of the USSR has international recognition in 1945. Who benefits from the fact that the territory of Russia falls apart and everything remains so?
Russia is definitely not!

[Herman 4223]

He does not have a head who distributes his territory.

[Kraken_97]

There is one solution, to give the Khayam Krasnodar, Sochi, Gelendzhik, Rostov, Moscow, and recognize these cities as Armenia. Azerbaijanis do not bite with all Armenians and harbor hatred, namely the Haina, which were brought to Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan on February 21, 1828, during the Turkmanchay agreement concluded between General Paskevich and the Iranian prince Abbas Mirza. Khayi and the Caucasian Turks have been at war with each other for 192 years. And in Amenia live not only Khayis, but also Kypchaks, Udins, Yezidis, Talyshs.

[Petro_tut]

I am for the Truth

Is it true for Russians when will it appear !?

[Alt 22]

Is it true for Russians when will it appear !?

- This should be asked from the Russians, not from those posing as Russians.

[Alt 22]

I am a Russian and a citizen of the Russian Federation.
I am for the Truth. And in this case, the truth is for the Azerbaijanis.

- can I ask you a question, "Russian"? How can there be truth for the Azerbaijanis if they appeared on this land only recently, and the Armenians lived there in ancient times, even when Azerbaijanis did not even exist as a people?

[Brands]

Who is older than whom is in itself not a correct and even stupid question.
For example, the ancestors of the Armenians lived there earlier than the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis.
But are the ancestors of the Armenians today? Or did they become Azerbaijanis?

[Alt 22]

Part of the Armenians really became Azerbaijanis, after copulating with them rapists from the Seljuk Empire in the 11th century - it was then that the Azerbaijani ethnic group began to emerge. But the Armenians of Karabakh are the same Armenians who lived there even before the birth of Jesus Christ, "Russian", except that the language changed a little and mobile phones and cars appeared - and the ethnos remained the same. Well, Karabakh was attributed to Azerbaijan only on a piece of paper, the territory of the Armenian ethnic group was attributed to the Azerbaijani one during the reshaping of the borders, as the Russian Donbass was transferred to Ukraine ...

[Uralean]

You can ask this question .. (as you ask in your post). But it is important that you, having heard the answer, comprehend it, and not try to refute it again as usual .. Perhaps the Armenians lived in Karabakh historically before. There is no need to dispute here. But there is a MAIN BUT, in the history of human development. Namely, the right to name the territory of his possession is conquered (or defended) only in wars. And it is fixed in contracts at the end of it. So many countries fell into the abyss of oblivion, and the peoples who inhabited them lost their territories, and other peoples gained them. This is the global sustainable practice of mankind for thousands of years, and is supported by the world's foundations to this day .. Therefore, it does not matter who previously occupied this territory in the world, it is important who was able to conquer it and keep it. All other rhetoric - We lived here before you_ - are not accepted by humanity. Only the right of the strong - as it was before, and now. If the people were able to defend their territory, they were able to make national sacrifices for the sake of the future of their country, so this house, this land will remain with you. No, no, no. Where is the land of the Babylonians now? And Sumer? And Assyrians. And how many times have the borders of ancient Syria been redrawn? And if we take the history of Armenia - the territory of ancient Great Armenia stretched from Modern Iraq (kingdom of Urartu), present-day Turkey, Transcaucasia, bordered on the Persians. And where is it all? The Armenians could not defend themselves against the Persians, Romans, Arabs, Selchuk Turks, Oguz Turks (today's Azerbaijanis), and eventually shrank to the territory of the Erebun Exerhat (the remnant of a small piece of that great Armenia, with the capital YEREVAN. What Armenia can now demand and Who? If they themselves could not defend themselves? World legal practice says, "Nothing. Nobody will fight for them and lay down their lives for the interests of Armenia (except for mercenaries for money). That means that the talk that this land is ancient Armenians is already is meaningless, as is the conversation about the lands of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran, which once belonged to the Armenians. Either reconcile, or fight to defend your lands, and sacrifice your lives for the sake of future generations. There is no other in history.

[Alicus]

Only the right of the strong - as it was before and now. The people were able to defend their territory, were able to make popular sacrifices for the future of their country, which means this house, this land will remain with you

Something familiar ..... Not from Rob Roy?

Turk Oguzov (present Azerbaijanis)

By the way, Azerbaijanis consist not only of Oghuz, like the Highlanders of Scotland, not all of the Mac Gregor clan

[Garry]

Are you Russian with that name?

[astepanov]

Quote: Merkit

I am for the Truth. And in this case, the truth is for the Azerbaijanis.

This is a war, not a checkers game. It does not matter who won, but from the onset of peace - a world without reparations, but with the end of the death of people, destruction, fear - everyone will benefit.
Mutual hatred of Armenians and Azerbaijanis will not go anywhere - her historical roots are too strong, she was nourished by too much blood. But it is all the more important to separate them with a barrier of peacekeepers. Over time, passions may subside, compromises will be found. Then the peacekeepers will leave.

[mole]

Quote: Merkit

I am a Russian and a citizen of the Russian Federation.
I am for the Truth. And in this case, the truth is for the Azerbaijanis.

There is no truth. There are no right and left, there are those who think sensibly and not very much. Tolleranto expressed the idea?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hunter 2

besieged by an adult uncle, Russia!

Russia has officially allowed the NATO armed forces (Turkish armed forces) to ensure "peace" on the territory of the CIS and the CSTO.
This is a painting you know what.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Russia has officially allowed the NATO armed forces (Turkish armed forces) to ensure "peace" on the territory of the CIS and the CSTO.
This is a painting you know what.

Remind me when Karabakh became a member of the CSTO? And in the CIS - when was it accepted? And where is the CIS in general?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hunter 2

when did Karabakh become a member of the CSTO?

Karabakh is Azerbaijan officially. And Azerbaijan is the CSTO and the CIS officially.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Hunter 2

when did Karabakh become a member of the CSTO?

Karabakh is Azerbaijan officially. And Azerbaijan is the CSTO and the CIS officially.

Which of the parallel realities do you live in? Azerbaijan left the CSTO in 1999.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hunter 2

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Hunter 2

when did Karabakh become a member of the CSTO?

Karabakh is Azerbaijan officially. And Azerbaijan is the CSTO and the CIS officially.

Which of the parallel realities do you live in?

If it doesn't fit in your head, then concentrate on the transmitted areas. No one has ever denied their belonging to Azerbaijan. Where do you think the Turkish "peacekeeping" contingent will be deployed?

[72jora72]

Where do you think the Turkish "peacekeeping" contingent will be deployed?

And there won't be any Turkish contingent in Karabakh ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hunter 2

Azerbaijan left the CSTO

He did not leave the CIS.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hunter 2

in the CIS - when was it accepted?

In 1993

[41 REGION]

Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish units.

Something I did not see Turkey in the treaty, but the presence of the Turkish armed forces is, this is why Time to close the Turkish resort

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 41 REGION

Time to close the Turkish resort

It just opens

[41 REGION]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

It just opens

And it's time to close

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 41 REGION

And it's time to close

Can not argue

[Olgovich]

Quote: Hunter 2

Remind me when Karabakh became a member of the CSTO? And in the CIS - when was it accepted? And where is the CIS in general?

Yes, this is not the CIS, but in fact Boris is right: Turkey won and has already officially settled (together with the Syrian barmaley) on the southern (Dagestan) land border of Russia and makes decisions there. This has never happened before and this is unambiguous strategic failure.

By the way, it is now officially recognized that Karabakh also fought with Turkey (its parts were recognized there).

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Olgovich

Yes, this is not the CIS

Azerbaijan is an active member of the CIS and a former signatory of the CSTO. Where am I wrong?

[DrEng527]

Quote: Olgovich

Turkey won and has already officially settled (together with the Syrian barmaley) on the southern (Dagestan) land border of Russia and makes decisions there.

don't you run ahead of the cart? Maybe Aliyev carried out a counter-terrorist operation on his territory? I will note that Armenia did not recognize Karabakh either as independent or as part of it ... As for Turkey, victory has many fathers and squabbles between them are inevitable ... buy popcorn - we will watch how they will share the glory ...

[Alicus]

[quoteBy the way, now it is officially recognized that Karabakh was at war and immediately with Turkey (its parts are recognized there).] [/ quote]
Bah !!!!! Seriously ??? .... Who and in what place are the Turkish units recognized in the war for Karabakh?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Alikus

Bah !!!!! Seriously ??? .... Who and in what place are the Turkish units recognized in the war for Karabakh?

ARTICLE-too lazy to read:

Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish units.

?

[domokl]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Russia has officially allowed the NATO armed forces (Turkish armed forces) to ensure "peace" on the territory of the CIS and the CSTO.

That's because .. I published the full text for reading .. Where did you read it? President Aliyev announced about cooperation with Turkey. And outside the zone of action of the Russian peacekeepers. Azerbaijan has the right to cooperate in any capacity with any country.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: domokl

Where did you read it?

Placed without reading?

Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish units.

Turks (NATO) remain to work on the territory of the CIS and the CSTO.

How much easier?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Let's sum up.
The party to the treaty (Azerbaijan) has unequivocally stated that our peacekeepers will have to work together with Turkish units. Before signing the agreement, Putin had a conversation with Erdogan and only after that Aliyev signed the agreement.
Until now, in the CIS and the CSTO (including their former members such as Georgia and Ukraine, which was not a member of the CSTO and was in the CIS), Russia has never had to "peacekeep" together with the security forces of NATO countries. Cope somehow themselves all these years. Neither in Ukraine, nor in Georgia did NATO receive the same rights that it received today in Azerbaijan (and it is possible that in Armenia as well).
And with this we can only congratulate. We are moving in the right direction, no doubt about it.
The victorious reports of some VO users look especially amusing against this background, who asserted yesterday that someone should WAIT for something for our downed helicopter (the author's spelling is preserved). Should this have been expected, I want to ask? Receiving new territories and entering the armed forces of their masters into the process?

[DrEng527]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Never until now in the CIS and CSTO space

and what have you forgotten about the Baltics? How long has she been to NATO?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: DrEng527

what have you forgotten about the Baltics?

The tribalts were not included in these organizations.

[Uralean]

Well, don't muddy the waters here .. It is necessary to consider everything in order, and only then draw conclusions. But your conclusions are not correct. Firstly, the Republic of Azerbaijan is a sovereign state that has the right to have its own foreign and domestic policy, and invite any country to its allies! We proceed from this. Secondly, Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO - the organization of collective defense against attacks by external enemies on the territory of Eurasia (and therefore is not obliged to obey the CSTO charter and provisions). And accordingly, neither Russia, nor any other, can neither help nor resist her against her will. Armenia is a member of the CSTO, and formally Russia could take the side of Armenia, in case of a request from Armenia, but only if there are direct attacks on Armenia by third countries. In fact, no one attacked Armenia. Armenia has not asked for help from either Russia or the CSTO countries. Moreover, she herself did not recognize the Republic of Karabakh, did not announce the mobilization of Armenian troops for war in her country, contenting herself with allowing the gathering of volunteers and sending them to Karabakh, without backing them up not militarily or financially, but only with volunteer gatherings in the country. In such conditions, Russia could not introduce any of its forces without violating world law (and there was no desire to see such a thing in Moscow, it was necessary to teach a lesson to Pashinyan, who hoped for US help and was guided by it.) Azerbaijan's entry into the CIS is absolutely other. This is entry into the Union of Independent States, and serving only economic interactions and political consultations of the CIS countries. The influence of countries on each other in the CIS is minimal and nominal. The result of a month-long military confrontation is that: Azerbaijan regained a part of the illegally held regions of Azerbaijan, taken from them by the Republic of Karabakh in the 1990s. Out of seven, five. Two remained with the Armenians. The Republic of Karabakh, naturally, lost part of its territories, received great destruction, a large exodus of Armenians from parts of the former territories, and the defeat of its army. Armenia suffered a moral and image defeat, increased instability in the country and the confrontation between the people and the government in Armenia. And what will be further unknown (time will tell). Russia-Russia got the opportunity, in a legal position (Trilateral Peace Treaty Moscow-Baku-Yerevan), to have its own military, border, Emergencies Ministry, political presence in the Caucasus, its center, lost by the USSR and later by the Russian Federation in the 1990s. And with military bases in Gyumri (eastern Armenia), in Kaspiysk (Dagestan), Tskhinval (South Ossetia) Gagra (Abkhazia) El-Kamyshly (South-East Turkey), Tartus, Khmeimim (Syria), near Metras near Kobani ( Syria) South of Turkey. in the southwest of Turkey. Novorossiysk and Crimea in northern Turkey. Summary. After the USSR, Russia completely surrounded the entire Transcaucasia with its bases, controlling Azerbaijan, from sea and land, Georgia (from sea and land), Armenia. In addition, she surrounded her partner and "friend" with her bases from all sides with her bases. Turkey, seeking to increase its influence in the Transcaucasus, entered into a cooperation agreement with Azerbaijan (this is their right.) Also, striving to create at least some kind of threat to Russia, to weaken the grip of Russia around its bases in Turkey, it seeks to oppose Russia in the Transcaucasus and Syria. The confrontation is going on, but not intensely, but moderately. The day before yesterday, Turkey left 8 of its checkpoints in Syria in the province of Homs and in the south of the province of Idlib, under the influence of the Syrian army and the Russian Aerospace Forces. Today, the peacekeeping troops of the Russian Armed Forces moved to the southern border of Turkey in Syria in the Al-Raka province in the AI-ISA region (held by the Kurds and the United States), at the request of the Kurds, take positions to stop the shelling from Turkey, squeezing the United States out of there. So, considering the Azerbaijan-Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in this aspect, we see a significant success of the Russian Federation, without resorting to military force to occupy an important strategic knot of influence on the entire Caucasus and Turkey ...

[NipponSpb]

Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish units.

this is the author of the article asserts and only this is his interpretation of Aliyev's words, which are actually more streamlined. In the text of the agreement, this is not at all. It is still necessary to see how Aliyev's wishes will be satisfied. There was a more sober version, that from the Turks there will be only observers at joint (with the Russian Federation) posts.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: NipponSpb

interpretation of Aliyev's words, which are actually more streamlined

Often, in reality, everything is not the same as in reality. This is a quote (translation) from Aliyev's speech (address to the people):
"A peacekeeping center will be created in which Russian and Turkish military will operate"

And this is a fragment of Aliyev's speech to Putin during the signing ceremony:
"One of the points of today's statement is the joint peacekeeping mission of Russia and Turkey. Thus, we are creating a completely new format of interaction in the region, not only within the framework of the conflict settlement, but also for future development."

Somewhere else it was about the fact that we will agree on a format with the Turks and sign agreements with the Turks on this score.

And "the icing on the cake": our military is there "registered" more or less reliably for only five years, and then either side has the right to ask them from there.

[military_cat]

Quote: domokl

Azerbaijan has the right to cooperate in any capacity with any country.

Of course, I agree, but somehow the question naturally arises - does Ukraine have the right to cooperate in any capacity with any country? And if not, what's the difference?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: military_cat

Does Ukraine have the right to cooperate in any capacity with any country?

We do not dispute the rights. We talk about our "achievements" when this or that country, which was previously in our sphere of influence, shows it.

[Stas157]

Quote: domokl

President Aliyev announced about cooperation with Turkey. And outside the zone of action of the Russian peacekeepers.

Well, after all, it's all the same on the territory of Karabakh.

[domokl]

Quote: Stas157

Well, after all, it's all the same on the territory of Karabakh.

Only Russian troops can move on the territory of Karabakh ...

[Victorio]

Quote: domokl

Yes, the lives of our pilots cannot be returned. No compensation can replace relatives and friends for the loss of a son, father, or husband. You can build a new helicopter, but, alas, people cannot be returned. But you cannot turn into savages, thirsty for blood, who asked for forgiveness and admitted his own guilt. It is difficult, very difficult to explain seemingly obvious things. Especially people who are in grief. But you have to explain.

===
Is there any investigation into the downed helicopter? the fault is not only on the other side, but also on this, even more on this. what did they do on the spot, at the headquarters? was it really impossible to foresee / suppose / predict? such a scenario did not occur to the authorities ??

[domokl]

Quote: Victorio

Is there any investigation into the downed helicopter?

Since the incident. The escorted convoy included officers competent in these matters. According to some reports, who and how it was known after a couple of hours

[not main]

Quote: Victorio

Is there any investigation into the downed helicopter?

Judging by the pursuit, they should know how we are investigating an LP or an accident, a disaster! Firstly ... in short the first and main version: CREW ERROR! And the rest of the versions ... if there is no one to make excuses, they fly to hell!

[Andrey Stavropolsky]

In what? That you solved the problem with someone else's hands? Another question is that the khachiks will start yelling and demanding to remove the base, which ours will do, and they will ask Armenia from the ODKB to leave. That would be okay.

[Uralean]

Do not understand, explain to us stupid. Has Russia officially allowed the armed forces of NATO (Turkey) on the territory of the CIS and the CSTO? Firstly, the CIS is a transparent fiction of independent states linked by trade relations and that's it! ! Further, these independent states themselves make decisions with whom to be friends, whom and where to invite, and nothing depends on Russia. Since they are not dependent. Secondly, Azerbaijan is not included in the countries that are part of the collective security of the CSTO, therefore its decisions which troops from which countries to bring to their territory are not regulated by the CSTO charters. Therefore, inviting Turkey to itself, their armed forces Azerbaijan has the right, without looking back at Russia, as an independent state. Syria has invited the RF Armed Forces. And Azerbaijan - Turkey, so what? Armenia is a member of the CSTO, has the right to count on help and protection of its territory from attacks by third countries, by the CSTO troops, and in particular by the Russians. BUT nobody has attacked the territory of Armenia yet. And the territory of Karabakh is officially recognized by the UN as the territory of Azerbaijan, and even Armenia itself did not recognize Karabakh as an independent territory (for some reason). Therefore, the CSTO countries do not have the right to interfere in the disputes between Armenia and Azerbaijan on the territory of Azerbaijan. So, you have not correctly stated that Russia has signed in its lack of solvency. The history of these events has shown that Russia acted very wisely and correctly. She did not interfere in disputes that did not concern her, and the CSTO treaties, made it possible for neighboring countries to resolve their long-standing disputes among themselves, even in the hot phase. Then, when they were tired of the fight, she spread their fists to the side, and stood between them, spreading them apart in different corners of the ring. Then she made them conclude a peace treaty, with a decision between them, what belongs to whom, and how they should proceed in the future. Russia ousted Turkey, from the Transcaucasia (by introducing a brigade there) of the RF Armed Forces, in addition, in addition to the base in Armenia in Gyumri, Established in fact its second base in Transcaucasia, Karabakh, numerically increasing its presence, together with the base in Gyumri. This base will control the entire Transcaucasia, and Azerbaijan (there from the sea, and from the north of the RF Armed Forces), Armenia, and Georgia, limiting the maneuvers of the Turkish Armed Forces, except for bases in Armenia, also bases in Syria (Kamyshly, Tartus, Latakia), t .e and from the East of Turkey, and from the South of Turkey, and from the North (Black Sea Fleet and the Southern Military District). And Turkey's ally in the Transcaucasus, Azerbaijan, also became limited in actions and under the supervision of the RF Armed Forces, from the Sea (a naval base near Baku in Kaspiysk), from the North (Dagestan, Chechnya - an army is deployed there), and now the forces of the brigade in Karabakh ... Russia did everything competently in the political and military aspect, using the hostility and armed conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, with minimal human, image and political losses for itself.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Ural

CIS is

The CIS is our zone of influence after the collapse of the Union. With today's events, for the first time, we officially allowed NATO military units to settle in it seriously and for a long time. This suggests that the collapse of the USSR did not end there. The case of Gorbachev and Ebna is alive and well. And today this case has a big event. NATO in a similar format did not poke its nose at either Ukraine (remember how the same Ukraine dreamed of NATO peacekeepers in the Donbas), or Georgia. But since then a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, and today they can already afford it.

Quote: Ural

these independent states themselves make decisions

Such states in the modern world cannot be independent. As soon as they get out of our influence, they immediately fall under the influence of our "partners".

The rest is water.

[EvilLion]

Do not let bubbles into a puddle.

[Vadim_888]

... In fact, it was your adult uncle, Russia! Are you tired of your sand war!

Rather, an ignoramus who often receives soup (two planes in Syria, and now a helicopter in Armenia), then wipes off and says that he wanted the best

[Uralean]

Quote: Vadim_888

... In fact, it was your adult uncle, Russia! Are you tired of your sand war!

Rather, an ignoramus who often receives soup (two planes in Syria, and now a helicopter in Armenia), then wipes off and says that he wanted the best

Don't say nonsense, sofa strategist, if you don't understand anything in military affairs .. Russia responded and responds to Turkey by increasing its presence both in the Middle East (Syria), displacing NATO countries (Turkey, USA, France, etc.) Strengthening its forces not only in the Black Sea, but also in the Mediterranean Sea, controlling the NATO countries in the Mediterranean-Black Sea basin.) But for this they need their own bases, both naval and land forces and aviation. What Russia has successfully produced, with minimal losses for themselves both in equipment and in human (which are inevitable in the conduct of active hostilities in all wars of the world.) If we consider these issues with the NATO countries, then they also suffered significant losses in Syria - Turkey, dozens of aircraft and helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, tanks, MLRS artillery, personnel of more than 400 fighters, officially recognized by Turkey, in various regions of Syria, the USA, have their own losses, both helicopters and military equipment, and human losses. then who received SHAM, and who built the castles, still need to look. Russia has the smallest losses, with the greatest gains for itself, both in Syria and Karabakh. Firstly, on the impact on the countries of Western Asia. Raising the country's prestige, increasing orders and sales of Russian weapons (which is not unimportant, since orders for it from some countries increased and became significant in the country's budget), and the loading of factories
country and jobs. Orders for construction equipment and materials for the restoration of the destroyed by the war for Russian factories increased. The loss of a combat helicopter to Armenia (this is an implied combat loss in hot conflicts of all countries and peoples) - allowed Russia to rigidly and rightfully defend its Armed Forces, by threats of the use of force, to imprison warring countries for negotiations and, on the terms created by Russia, to conclude peace, and to ensure its presence in this region, increasing its influence on all surrounding countries. Moreover, Russia was able to pull the UN here, and already in the global legal field, consolidate its influence by securing the peace treaty in the UNO.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

No. The war is not over. This is not surrender. This is an opportunity for a temporary world in order to gain new strength.
It is necessary to find out who shot down the helicopter, who gave the order, and publicly execute these people on the Trade Square in Baku. It was this dumbest crime that forced Azerbaijan to make concessions, to stop 2 kilometers from Stepanakert.
The current treaty is a freezing of the conflict with the further involvement of Russia and Turkey in the hostilities. This is exactly what Armenia was striving for, anticipating full seams. Once again, Armenian diplomacy turned out to be stronger. She stopped the war for a breather. The Lachin corridor, 5 km wide, remained behind them, along this corridor Armenia will provide communication with Stepanakert and other settlements that remained not liberated. What for??? What is this connection? If Karabakh is an integral part of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan guarantees the security of the remaining Armenian population, as well as the economic and social development of the region, then why do we need such a large corridor? So that caravans of donkeys with weapons go through mountainous terrain?
Initially, the question was raised about the status of Karabakh within Azerbaijan. And I don't see this in this agreement.
Now I understand why the helicopter was shot down. And I don’t understand Aliyev, why he so urgently took responsibility for this.

[carstorm 11]

it's pretty silly to think so. this is not surrender. this is a retreat. different things, even in essence. each side stepped on its own Faberge. which, in principle, is the only correct solution.

[Crowe]

Guys, in my opinion, that's what matters

Thousands of lives have been saved, and the killing of civilians has been stopped.

[ximkim]

Freezing the conflict will lead to even more casualties in the near future.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: ximkim

Freezing the conflict will lead to even more casualties in the near future.

Is it really better to cut out everything and everyone? I don’t know how anyone, but this escalation was initially unnecessary for Russia.

[domokl]

Where did you see the freeze? Please explain your thought

[Deniska999]

It's just a truce. They will still finish off Karabakh in the future. Maybe ... Aliyev's successor, just the touch remained.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Deniska999

They will still finish off Karabakh in the future. Maybe ... Aliyev's successor, just the touch remained.

Or maybe tomorrow the provocations of the peacekeepers will begin

[carstorm 11]

and who will our peacekeepers provoke there?))) maybe against the peacekeepers all the same?)))

[41 REGION]

Quote: carstorm 11

and who will our peacekeepers provoke there?))) maybe against the peacekeepers all the same?)))

And I have something differently written

[carstorm 11]

Or maybe tomorrow the peacekeepers 'provocations will begin - exactly what is different))) peacekeepers' provocations this means that they are doing them)))

[41 REGION]

You can count whatever you like

[carstorm 11]

it's not me, it's Russian)))

[KKND]

Quote: domokl

Where did you see the freeze? Please explain your thought

4. The peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the stay of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation is 5 years with automatic extension for the next 5-year periods, if none of the Parties declares 6 months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provision.

The Chukchi is not a reader-Chukchi-writer, isn't it?

[ximkim]

The introduction of peacekeepers, a ceasefire - this is the freezing of the conflict. It did not end, but was temporarily stopped and the problems remained. They will still shoot there, but the main thing is that the next one who escaped death in the trench, she will now always be there. Baku's next offensive will carry out with even greater effort. While there is a pause, one side will become weaker, the other stronger.

[Vadim_888]

Read carefully, this is in fact a surrender under the supervision of a third party

[voyaka uh]

I, too, would define this agreement.
Armenia capitulated. Russia will monitor compliance with the conditions
surrender.
Turkey retains complete freedom of action as an ally of Azerbaijan.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

each side stepped on its own faberge

At the same time, Azerbaijan and Turkey gained, and Armenia lost.

[carstorm 11]

I do not argue. only they were not allowed to build on their success and capture everything. which cannot be called a victory either. with the development of events that were observed it was a matter of time.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

Come on. Armenia needs a break. The Pashinyan will be removed and the Stepanyan will come on the wave of revenge. The Armenian will take loans in Russia and arms and after 10 years of negotiations will begin on 8.08.2008. The status of Karabakh is uncertain.

[Master]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

Come on. Armenia needs a break. The Pashinyan will be removed and the Stepanyan will come on the wave of revenge. The Armenian will take loans in Russia and arms and after 10 years of negotiations will begin on 8.08.2008. The status of Karabakh is uncertain.

Not determined. This is what Azerbaijan wanted. Otherwise, they already agreed to return all 7 districts. For the status of Nkao. Cultural autonomy will most likely be given. Of course, Shusha won't belong there

[parma]

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.
Peace to the world!

I don’t understand what the author is happy about? The war ended with the defeat of the Armenians, but not complete ... on all the orders from the Kremlin about peace, both sides put a bolt at one time (as well as from the White House, too) ... As soon as Turkey only hinted at peace, an agreement appeared immediately, according to which, by the way, we now also have to force the Armenians to behave peacefully, and dump from the remaining territories, and if we cannot, in five years Turkey and Azerbaijan will declare us guilty and finish off Karabakh ... also our helicopter was shot down, apparently to show our a place...
Another cunning plan and multiple moves, but it was worth (as it seems to me) to declare that these are the internal affairs of Azerbaijan and let him finish it off, if he can ...

[razv35]

To put it simply, Russia and Turkey share spheres of influence. More precisely, even those "boys" who are in power, so this does not apply to ordinary citizens.
The helicopter was shot down on purpose and smart people understand this. A couple of lives in a big game is not a big loss.
Don't take to heart or read newspapers while eating

[Vadim_888]

... Simply put, Russia and Turkey share spheres of influence

And what will Russia be able to influence now? She put 2000 of her hostages on the line of fire. Arzeibadzhan came under Turkish control. For Russia, now both Armenia and Azerbaijan are lost, after such a surrender in Armenia a new Maidan has already begun and now Armenia will clearly fall into the EEC. Since there are no obstacles to joining after the loss of Karabakh, instead of the Russians, there will be French and NATO in Gyumri

[Garry]

In fact, Azerbaijan was swallowed up by Turkey, and you became theirs.

[iouris]

Quote: Merkit

it is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.

The beginning of the war in Karabakh and the shooting down of a helicopter is the surrender of Aliyev, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis.
This is just the beginning.

[NipponSpb]

Everyone who yells that Armenia has lost capitulated and so on. - firelighters who have little blood. Just a statement of fact, so that they don't think they are "experts".

[gsev]

Quote: Merkit

In fact, this is the surrender of the Armenians and Armenia as a whole.

In practice, the situation has returned to what it was in 1985. Azerbaijanis got the right to return from where they were expelled as a result of the conflict. The Armenians retained the right to live in Nagorno-Karabakh and, in addition, received a transport corridor between Karabakh and Armenia for 5 years. Russia and Turkey got a chance to develop transport corridors through Azerbaijan and Armenia. Azerbaijan receives a transport corridor between the Nakhichevan region and the main territory of Azerbaijan. Aliyev's consistent policy is encouraging, who managed to save Azerbaijan from conflicts with other countries except Armenia and did not impose too harsh conditions on the Armenians. There is a chance that a civilized development will begin in the Caucasus with mutual respect for the interests and rights of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in accordance with European traditions. In addition, Aliyev left the doors open for cooperation between Russia and Turkey, and seems to offer them in Azerbaijan to peacefully interact with each other and compete in investment, trade, technical cooperation and culture on the territory of Azerbaijan. The Armenians will probably never be able to achieve better conditions on the battlefield in the next 10 years, and in the event of a new war, their adversary may be the political forces of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and the Arab countries. Therefore, in the next 5 years, the Armenians are faced with the issue of modernizing their education, industry and the situation in the regions of Karabakh left to them, from where they fled to Russia, Europe and America for the last 30 years. Thanks to the endurance and foresight of Aliyev and Russia, the Armenians were able to end the war on conditions acceptable to themselves. Erdogan also did not aggravate this conflict and showed himself to be a strong but negotiable party in the modern world. They managed to avoid involving others in this war. countries. Unfortunately, Armenia did not accept these conditions in the early 1990s, although all UN countries demanded their fulfillment.

[Odysseus]

Well then. The war ended with the complete and unconditional victory of Azerbaijan. You can analyze its results.
From a military point of view, the victory was won thanks to a technical innovation in the form of the massive use of attack drones and a bundle of reconnaissance UAVs + MLRS and artillery. Plus the good old concentration of forces in key areas.
The second important factor was the strategic miscalculations of the Armenian command, the main blow was struck in the most obvious operational direction - in the south, where heavy armored vehicles can be actively used. And nevertheless, surprisingly after the breakthrough of the "Ohanyan line" there was neither a second line of defense nor prepared reserves behind it. The counterattacks were poorly organized, and the key line of Askyra was surrendered practically without a fight. After the exit of the Azerbaijani army to the Lachin corridor, the outcome of the war became clear. I would like to point out the right decision not to attack Lachin head-on, risking a blow from “mainland” Armenia, but to combine a blow to Lachin with a blow to the center on Shusha and bypassing the nodes of resistance. It is also possible to note the very great moral impact of Azerbaijan's air superiority on the morale of Armenian soldiers. They defended Shusha already extremely sluggishly

[Crowe]

through technical innovation in the form of massive use of attack drones and a bundle of reconnaissance UAVs + MLRS and artillery.

For someone in the 21st century, is this still a technical innovation?
Except for the Armenians ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Crowe

For someone in the 21st century, is this still a technical innovation?
Except for the Armenians ..

I agree that attack UAVs were used before, but on such a scale for the first time. This was not the case in the 2003 Iraqi war, or in the Yemeni war, this year the Turks actively used drones against the Syrian troops, but there the intensity of the battles was still lower and the duration was shorter ...
It is not for nothing that all military analysts (including those from the United States) followed the conflict very closely.

[Vadim_888]

.
For someone in the 21st century, is this still a technical innovation?

For the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense

[Dante Alighieri]

Ullis, however, you know how to present everything briefly and concisely.
As a person who was not particularly interested in the process of direct hostilities, I listened with pleasure to Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, whom it is customary to scold at VO, but who nevertheless is the only public person who commanded military operations of a similar format

[Odysseus]

Quote: Dante

Ullis, however, you know how to present everything briefly and concisely.

Thank you, of course. But there is nothing super complicated. This is where the Armenian commanders were looking, this is a question ... However, it seems that Lenin also said that the beaten armies learn well ... So the Azerbaijanis, with the help of the Turks, learned ...
I'll see Strelkov, although 3 hours is a bit too much)

[Dante Alighieri]

3 hours a bit too much

There is such a thing, I personally listened through the headset while doing household chores on the weekend, it's a pity there was no timecode, because I had to interrupt periodically, and I did not visually remember where I stopped.
By the way, the minus has already arrived for you (as well as myself). As I say, the local public doesn't particularly like Strelkov

[Odysseus]

Now the politician Aliyev, having won a historic victory for his country, solved all his internal problems for many years. Turkey also achieved an unconditional victory. It was finally established in the post-Soviet space.
Pashinyan lost everything and will probably lose power. His strategy was extremely strange - at first he provoked a conflict, and then took a half-position - without general mobilization, but also without peace. This gave me the conspiracy theory I am writing that he was draining Karabakh, almost in order to finally lie under the United States. This, of course, is not so, having lost Karabakh, he will not retain power, and the base of the Russian Federation is much more necessary for Armenia itself than the Russian Federation. From the point of view of the interests of "Soros", it is just more profitable to endlessly pull resources from the Russian Federation with senseless support for Armenia, where after the loss of Georgia for the Russian Federation there is no land corridor.
RF received very significant image and material losses (plus a helicopter). They are connected with the initially idiotic strategy of supporting Armenia in the Transcaucasus adopted in the 90s and still being supported. Plus the desire of the modern authorities of the Russian Federation to annoy Azerbaijan-Turkey by creating competition in the sale of raw materials to Europe. Moreover, everything was in a unique Putin performance, within the framework of half measures.
As a result, there are no good options for the Russian Federation. The best thing would be to leave Armenia altogether. But, alas, judging by the peace agreement, they won't let us go so easily ...
The peace agreement itself is very beneficial for Aliyev and Turkey. They make an insignificant concession by hanging the remnants of Karabakh on Armenia and the Russian Federation. Also legalizing the presence of Turkish troops.

[Thrifty]

Odysseus - leaving Armenia is a big mistake! We will then find ourselves in third roles in the region, the Turks will build their military bases behind our backs, Russia's prestige will fall below the plinth, our country will be surrounded by military bases anyway, and you want to give the Armenian side to the Turks!

[2 Level Advisor]

And now in the Azrb who prevents them from setting up the bases? They now count it with the consent of the Russian Federation and build it - for the "peacekeepers"

[Dante Alighieri]

We will then find ourselves in third roles in the region, the Turks will build their military bases behind our backs, Russia's prestige will fall below the plinth

In fact, by ignoring the conflict and abstracting from it, we already ended up in third roles, lost our qualifications, and got a huge Turkish base the size of the whole of Azerbaijan. The peacekeepers had to be brought in immediately, as soon as everything started spinning, and not when the winner in the person of the Turkish sultan mercifully asked to sit down at the table, instead of modestly shining on the periphery.

In general, I agree that the strategy was initially flawed: it was necessary not to support one of the parties, but to eliminate the subject of the conflict, i.e. Karabakh. How to do this was repeatedly said by Zhirinovsky, whom you can make fun of as much as you like as the leader of the Duma faction, but who really knows a lot about foreign policy relations

[Odysseus]

Quote: Thrifty

Odysseus - leaving Armenia is a big mistake! We will then find ourselves in third roles in the region, the Turks will build their military bases behind our backs, Russia's prestige will fall below the plinth, our country will be surrounded by military bases anyway, and you want to give the Armenian side to the Turks!

The challenge is there are 3 countries. First: it is rich in natural resources, a decent number of population, we have a common border, a direct route to Iran.
Second, there are no resources, but there is a common border, a direct route to Turkey.
Third, there is nothing, and there is no common border with Russia.
Hmm, thought the democratic strategists in Moscow, who should they support .......? Bingo! Of course a third country
I repeat, now there are no good options for the Russian Federation. It's too late. But continuing to support Armenia after the loss of Georgia (and therefore the corridor to Armenia) is completely pointless. It's just a waste of money.
There are 3 key points for Russia in the post-Soviet space - Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. You have to fight for them to the end, but Armenia is zero.

[Andrey Stavropolsky]

Northern Kakhakhstan, the rest of China will leave, along with all of Central Asia.

[Nagaibak]

Odysseus "Pashinyan lost everything and will probably lose power."
They are already looking for him.)))
Odysseus "Having won a historic victory for his country, Aliyev solved all his internal problems for many years."
He achieved what he wanted 7 districts and Shusha. The rest is in case of non-participation of Russia in the conflict.))) In fact, this is a compromise.
A decent part of the NKR is still under the control of the Armenians.
Status The status of Karabakh has not been determined. The Lachin corridor is not blocked. It is also impossible to call it a 100% victory of the Azerbaijanis. But Aliyev is an old diplomat, he understands the possibilities of his country at the moment.
As a result, a ceasefire for 5 years. On favorable terms for Azerbaijan.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Nagaibak

A decent part of the NKR is still under the control of the Armenians.
Status The status of Karabakh has not been determined. The Lachin corridor is not blocked. It is also impossible to call it a 100% victory of the Azerbaijanis. But Aliyev is an old diplomat, he understands the possibilities of his country at the moment.

There is a stub of Karabakh left there. The key position is Shusha near Azerbaijan. Lachin corridor-5 km. Plus, refugees are returning. And there are many of them ..... De facto, this is a slightly tinted recoil.
Plus the unblocking of Nakhichevan.

[Nagaibak]

Odysseus "Key position-Shusha under Azerbaijan."
It makes sense without peacekeepers. ))))
This is definitely a defeat. But .... NKR has not been dissolved. The army of the Karabakh Armenians has not been disbanded. Management structures are in place. In the course of time, residents will also return to the Armenian villages occupied by Azerbaijani troops. Otherwise, everything will go in a circle.)))
From the document ... "Internally displaced persons and refugees return to the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees." - This is not only about Azerbaijanis.)))
Travel to Nakhichevan will be controlled by the FSB of Russia, in fact, our border guards.))) So for Azerbaijan this is far from a 100% victory. Check out their dreams here on the site. All Armenians to Armenia and all territories to take.))) This is not. Putin then understands that the Karabakh Armenians will be here.))))
Are you talking about a stub? it is necessary to look not all the territories occupied by the Armenians, but those that were before the first war. Martuni? Mardakert? Where will this go? We do not know yet.))) Until there is a clear line of demarcation it will not be clear. But the north of Karabakh and their capital are in the hands of the Armenians. At the moment, this is already good for them. So, we will wait for the delimitation, and then we will argue where the stub is and where it is not.

[leks]

As a result, they will say on the news that V.V. made another political victory in the international arena (peacemaker).
In fact, according to you, it turns out that another problem has been pushed to the Russian Federation, and as a result, our peacekeepers will also be firing slowly.

[Bi-mac]

I gave you a plus sign for your posts, but I still disagree with something.
1. Regarding Russia's image losses. Yes, there are, but moderate. The same that many other large countries have had on other occasions. So what? All this is temporary, transitory ... later it will be overgrown with other advantages. The main thing is that Russia retains the ability to move forward, albeit slowly, but progressively. In the conditions of peace in the Caucasus, it will be a little easier to do this than if our army got involved there in full, swinging rocket clubs to the right and left (along Az. And Tur.) Although, for many it would be more attractive in image. But who knows what the dominoes falling in different directions would have led to?
2. Regarding the strengthening of Turkey in Azerbaijan. It's unpleasant, of course, but maybe there isn't too much danger for Russia? It is unlikely that Aliyev is considering the possibility of war with Russia in the future (for to begin with, ours will zero out the entire Baku oil industry in half an hour, which will immediately throw Baku back into the Middle Ages). And if Erdogan wants to keep 20-30 thousand soldiers there, then the flag is in his hands, let him burn the military budget). There remains the risk of corrosion of the southern regions of Russia through the infiltration of the barmaley ... here, apparently, Moscow will have to hold on to Erdogan and other pillars (Syria, Kurds, tourism, tomatoes, etc.). That's what politicians are for.

[leks]

And where did you get the idea that Azerbaijan is a hostile state for the Russian Federation, quite a balanced policy towards Russia. Billions of military equipment were purchased and not on credit issued from the country's budget. Russians, it seems, there is also no spread rot and do not drive. Trade relations are also good.
The fact that they are like friends and partners with the Turks, and so what, it's their own business.
At one time Azerbaijan strove to the Russian Federation, but the government relied on Armenia.
Armenia also did its bit by blocking all initiatives for the integration of Azerbaijan.

[Dante Alighieri]

The point is not whether Azerbaijan or Armenia is hostile / friendly. The fact is that for almost 100 years it was exclusively the zone of our interests and no one disputed this. Now the Turks have triumphantly returned there and they obviously will not go back. In addition, do not forget about the problems of the Caspian and its resources. Yes, we have resolved territorial claims with Kazakhstan, but the rest of the region's countries have not made any progress in this direction, and therefore this issue cannot be resolved without the participation of the Turks.

[leks]

To our great regret, today's Russia is not a powerful union that was feared and respected!
Today's Russia can only express concern and regret.
For this reason, the Russian Federation is losing its influence wherever possible.

[Bi-mac]

I don't even consider us enemies. I just answer here to all those who follow a primitive logic (mainly in ukroreikh), they say, Turkey is almost ready to fight with Russia, now it has moved to our border through Azerbaijan, and the kneading is about to begin)). He left Turkey aside and showed that Aliyev was not interested at all.

[Dante Alighieri]

He left Turkey aside and showed that Aliyev was not interested at all.

So Aliev is also not eternal and who will replace him only God knows (no matter how this God is called). What impresses me about Erdogan is that he speaks in terms of several generations, and not limited to the current moment. Do you think Azerbaijanis will forget who was able to provide Karabakh Victoria. I don’t think so. This means that cooperation between the two countries will become even closer, besides, they have so much in common (this applies to both faith and origin in general). But we are increasingly becoming an alien element for the Caucasus region. Not an enemy, but not a friend either. Likewise, with regard to Armenia, for which we are now the ones who did not prevent their fiasco (even though we did not undertake such obligations). Classic zugzwang.

[Bi-mac]

The word "Aliyev" in this case is synonymous with "Baku", "Azerbaijan". And so yes, you are completely right. Everyone has enough problems, both present and future. I just singled out the worst (war) and suggested that for Azerbaijan (perhaps, unlike Turkey) this is not an option at all. And that's already good. Let the bad world remain for a start, and then it will be seen.

[Dante Alighieri]

The word "Aliyev" in this case is synonymous with "Baku", "Azerbaijan"

Sorry I didn't do it)))
The most interesting thing is that the war has just ended. The fate of Stepanokert's territorial affiliation, as I understood from the words of the military specialists, provided that the Azerbaijanis take Shusha, is practically decided. The annexation of Armenia, the establishment of a blue-red-green flag with a crescent moon over the Republic Square in Yerevan and the repetition of the Armenian genocide as a goal for Azerbaijan did not stand. Armenia has no strength to recapture the occupied territory. So further confrontation is pointless.

[Bi-mac]

In general, Internet communication is a difficult thing. Often there are so many thoughts in my head that 10 fingers are not enough to transfer everything to paper.) Nothing can replace live human communication, all these half-sighs, half-glances, all these "yes no, probably"

[Dante Alighieri]

Nothing can replace live human communication, all these half-sighs, half-looks, all these "yes no, probably" wink

That's right.
That is why I do not share the incumbent's passion for remote communication. The bosses must inspire fear and awe in subordinates. And what fear can there be when everything is decorous and decent at the top: shirt, tie, jacket, and below the table - family panties with polka dots (and this is still at best, at worst ... let's say it all depends on the perversity of consciousness specific individual).

[Dante Alighieri]

It’s me if I talked about subordinates, otherwise you’ll think that I attribute such frivolous behavior to the first person. Unlike other officials, he is periodically shown from a side angle, so there is no reason to doubt his morality

[Olgovich]

Quote: Odyssey

... They are connected with the initially idiotic strategy of supporting Armenia in the Transcaucasus adopted in the 90s and still being supported.

They can only talk about the idiocy of Russia's policy to maintain influence in the Transcaucasus. Where Russia loses it, Turkey and others immediately pick it up. With all the consequences

Quote: Odyssey

The best thing would be to leave Armenia altogether.

And where are you going to stay? Near Volokolamsk?

[Nagaibak]

Olgovich "And where are you going to stay? Near Volokolamsk?"
Well this is the western direction.))) Maybe near Domodedovo?

[Vadim_888]

... the base of the Russian Federation is much more needed by Armenia itself than by the Russian Federation.

I think you will soon be surprised, after this the Armenians will secretly come to an agreement with the French and Amers, and the Russians will be replaced by NATO troops

[Michael_59]

Pashinyan is an overseas professional student, his task was to drain and spoil, which he did, and his future is not connected with Armenia, most likely, it never happened.

[iouris]

Quote: Odyssey

Aliyev, having won a historic victory for his country, solved all his internal problems for many years.

You don't have to think of these nonsense, let alone write them. Now the promotion of the political situation in Baku against Aliyev will begin under the pretexts: "the enemy was not finished off", "high human losses" (have the real figures of losses been published?), "Difficult economic situation", etc. Erdogan will speed up the process, he is also in a critical situation.

[KKND]

Quote: iouris

You don't have to think of these nonsense, let alone write them.

You are there completely in your institution "cheated".

[Igor Semenov]

It's like that. And yet without guaranteeing anything to Karabakh and having the opportunity to resume the offensive at any moment convenient for you. Peacekeepers, you say? Yes, they will be warned that hostilities will begin in a couple of hours. They will kindly ask if you need help with the evacuation.

[Mwg]

Thank God it's over! The President of the Russian Federation has once again shown himself as a wise and far-sighted politician.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: MVG

Thank God it's over! The President of the Russian Federation has once again shown himself as a wise and far-sighted politician.

And what wise did he do? How many coffins will come to Russia for the Armenians?

[Mwg]

No need to cry in advance and tear your hair out. Time will tell. Nobody thought that everything would end so unexpectedly and quickly. And it ended with an objective result. So leave the lamentations to the grandmothers.

[Far B]

The President of the Russian Federation has once again proved himself as a wise and far-sighted politician

Yes Yes. The author of the same opinion. Only his words, the author, somehow convince him otherwise:

As will the shelling of our peacekeepers. There will be various gangs that will shit on everyone around. But you need to go through this

Do you think this is wisdom?

[Vadim_888]

The wisdom of this gentleman is well known - before his return, the dollar cost around 33 rubles, and now around 80 rubles
what a wise ruler

[Nastia makarova]

it is beneficial for him))) receiving currency to extinguish social obligations

[Konnick]

An idiotic decision to raise a combat helicopter into the air without warning the warring parties and knowing about the control over the airspace of Armenia.

[Vadim_888]

... An idiotic decision to raise a combat helicopter into the air without warning the warring parties and knowing about the control over the airspace of Armenia.

Yeah, considering that the turntable was landed in the airspace of Armenia and from the territory of Armenia, then the question arises of what the babakhs did on the territory of a member of the CSTO

[samarin1969]

At the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, the lives and health of its soldiers, the problem between pro-American Armenia and pro-Turkish Azerbaijan is being solved. Individual politicians of the Russian Federation receive personal image benefits.
Potential UN approval does not guarantee anything. Minsk received approval, but Kiev, with the approval of the international community, considers it a "mistake" and ignores it.
Hazeibarjan is unlikely to give up full control of Karabakh and will try to increase the Turkish presence. And Russia gets another "khmeimim" with similar problems.
The ancestors of Armenians and Azerbaijanis, together with the Russians, built the State and fought with dignity in wars. But their modern descendants chose the independence and help of hostile states. It would be better if they fought on. Their resources and mobilization reserve in the Russian markets allow it.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: samarin1969

It would be better if they fought on. Their resources and mobilization reserve in the Russian markets allow it.

I support. It would be better to fight further. Stop 2 km from Stepanakert, no matter how you regret it.
Some scum from behind the bushes shot down a helicopter, practically deciding the outcome of the negotiations. We are very sorry for our pilots. And those who gave the command, who pulled the trigger, I would personally hang on the lamp posts.

[Lexus]

Konstantin ,
You described what is happening very accurately.

[Old tanker]

Well, everything was already decided in advance. It is a pity for our helicopter pilots who died a few hours before the end of the war.

[midivan]

Quote: Old Tanker

Well, everything was already decided in advance. It is a pity for our helicopter pilots who died a few hours before the end of the war.

It’s a pity ... and words cannot be found ... And the most disgusting thing is that all sorts of experts will speculate on this more than one hundred times and change it to their advantage ... More than once I caught myself thinking that censorship is needed, but let for a not careful word, you will have to sip a gruel for fifteen days, but know that not a single reptile will jump on the "bones" of the dead boys ..

[Nagaibak]

Old tanker "Well, everything was already decided in advance."
It's true, ours seemed to be waiting for them to take Shusha.)))

[Thrifty]

If only the Yankees did not get there, then the peace treaty would break down completely! And, in essence, you can praise Putin, you can scold him, but he will significantly raise his rating with this agreement! It is a pity for our pilots, I hope that the Azerbaijanis will not let this crime against Russia go downhill, and that all parties will fulfill their obligations in full! And that the world really came there, and came forever!

[Vladimir61]

Yes, it happened! It only happened when the red line was crossed by shooting down a Russian helicopter. It is not a fact that this is a trick of Azerbaijan. The Nakhichevan autonomy is actually under the complete control of Turkey and it is more than obvious that the Azerbaijani elder "brother" has done something wrong and hid in the bushes, behave somehow unnaturally quietly, neither of their own loud statements, nor joint ones with Azerbaijan. The line behind which stood the legal right of Russia to intervene in the conflict was violated and Aliyev had not only to take the rap, but to fulfill the demands of Russia, since the question was apparently put bluntly.
Russia did not want to drag the heat out of the fire for the Armenians, but it was forced to deliver an ultimatum and it does not matter who is actually to blame for this. It’s a pity for our guys, but this is what became the red line that Russia took advantage of.
And with Pashinyan and his henchmen, let the Armenians figure it out themselves.

[Vadim_888]

... Aliyev had to not just take the rap, but fulfill the requirements of Russia, since the question was apparently posed point-blank.

What hathing requirements did they fulfill?
They got everything they wanted, they took Shusha,
Will they get a passage through Armenia, the Armenians will leave the rest of the regions, Karabakh will remain a part of Arzeibajan, with the subsequent departure of Armenians from there, will 2000 Russian peacekeepers be able to protect Armenians from jihadists who, under the guise of robbery, will slowly slaughter Armenians?
Now answer yourself, what for is the CSTO Armenia if it cannot defend itself?
Turi bent the CSTO in full, who now needs this hat?

[midivan]

[/ quote] Radicals, ready to fight to the last soldier and who often saw the front only on the screens of their home TVs, have been and will be [/ quote] They have already appeared in Armenia, it feels like the Armenians do not have any kind of service, these "fighters "they are already being smashed ... Special respect to the author for the article, it seems that he is the only one who does not sleep and works for the benefit of the site)) because all the news has long been on Yandex, and then there is silence))

[Ross xnumx]

But most importantly, the war is over today!

God grant ... A thin world is always better than a good quarrel.

[Old tanker]

Where did Pegov disappear with his "meat grinder" which was constantly grinding something?

[KKND]

Quote: Old Tankman

Where did Pegov disappear with his "meat grinder" which was constantly grinding something?

The circus has left, it's time to put your tongue in one place.

[Konnick]

Quote: Thrifty

Sorry for our pilots, I hope that the Azerbaijanis will not let this crime against Russia go downhill

I hope that our would-be commanders will be punished for the death of the pilots. Still, we got involved in another problem.

[Konnick]

Quote: ximkim

Freezing the conflict will lead to even more casualties in the near future.

The Armenians will not give up their age-old policy of hatred towards the Turks, which is constantly creating conflicts.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

It's hard to love those who cut you for 1000 years. Not excluding the last century.

[Konnick]

Read the revered Armenian historian Leo-Arakel Grigorievich Babakhanyan, who openly accused Russia of aiding the Armenian genocide in 1915. The Armenians are all to blame, except for themselves.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Well? Are there not many epans around the world? Listen to everyone? Many Turks and Azerbaijanis are firmly convinced that the Russians are irreconcilable enemies of the Turks and Muslims. The fact is that Armenians and Azerbaijanis will not be able to live in one state on equal terms for another hundred years - the blood is too fresh.

[Konnick]

I will have to cite an excerpt from Babakhanyan's works myself:

“Undoubtedly, it is clear what Vorontsov-Dashkov was doing. On the one hand, he threw the Armenian people into the flames of the uprising, promising in return to conquer their homeland, and on the other, he was going to annex this homeland to Russia and populate it with Cossacks.

The Black-Hundred General Yudenich ordered not to give the Armenian refugees lands in the Alashkert region, waited for a large flow of refugees from the Don and Kuban, which was supposed to live in the basin of the Eastern Euphrates and be called the "Euphrates Cossacks". To provide them with a large territory, it was necessary to reduce the number of Armenians in their homeland.

Thus, before the will of Lobanov-Rostovsky - Armenia without Armenians - there was only one step left. And this was not difficult for Yudenich, since under his programs the governor of the tsar and the commander-in-chief of the army Vorontsov-Dashkov wrote "I agree."

Undoubtedly, the program of such deception and destruction of Armenians was brought to Tiflis by Nicholas II - an old and blood enemy of the Armenian people.

These words of mine are not speculations. Since Yudenich's idea was put on paper, in April 1915, the attitude of the Russian army towards the Armenian people has deteriorated so much that from now on the leaders of the Armenian volunteer movement - Catholicos Gevorg and the leadership of the National Bureau - send their complaints in writing to "the highly respected Count Illarion Ivanovich." , since this old fox, after Nikolai's departure, closed the doors in front of his “favorites” (Armenians), citing illness. "

The Russians are to blame ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Russian peacekeepers will work together with Turkish

The NATO country will now officially provide "peace" on the territory of the CSTO and the CIS.
Sumptuously. Russia itself can no longer cope ...
Historical moment, gentlemen. This have not happened before. And then there will still be!

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, when Russia abandoned Ukraine, confining itself to Crimea, it became clear that the Russians were not going to play the first role in the Eurasian space, which means that for Turkey, the second contender for the role of the first violin in this region, after the self-elimination of the main opponent, it did not become a total no barriers to the realization of their own ambitions. And Karabakh is only the first step. The next one is the Central African Republic, and there it is possible to revise the status of the Crimea itself, the local Tatars will help the Sultan.

[Bully]

NATO country will now officially provide "peace" on the territory of the CSTO and the CIS

Boris, these are emotions. Nobody knows what will happen next - the small details are not spelled out. The fact is that the Russians entered Karabakh at lightning speed, and as the saying goes, "whoever got up first got his shoes."

[igorra]

The Armenians lost their spirit and finally turned into hucksters - businessmen. And then the Russians did not come, as usual, to lay their lives for someone else's freedom. What cannot be taken away from Putin, in comparison with other leaders of our state of different times, the lives of Russian soldiers, as much as possible, he protects.

[Konnick]

Quote: Old Tankman

Where did Pegov disappear with his "meat grinder" which was constantly grinding something?

They say in Moscow that some bank presented him invoices for payment, probably did not work well, a representative of another ancient profession.

[bandabas]

Our country got into another hemorrhoid. Once again, all the dogs will end up being hanged on us. Another attempt to "make a good face" abroad "with a bad game" in their own country. I apologize for the repeated repetition of "regular". There is no other way to say.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Well, if you want to be called a great power, you need to be mentally prepared for the fact that you have to rake someone else's shit with your bare hands, sacrifice the lives of your guys. Or send all these "friends" to hell and not shout that no cannon will fire without our permission. On the good - it was necessary by all means to prevent this war, and not to extinguish the fire when half of the house had already burned down. But this is difficult, our diplomacy is clearly not capable of it.

[bandabas]

To each his own, dear. It was enough for me a quarter of a century ago.

[parusnik]

Okay. They let blood to each other, and that's enough for each other. It's good that they didn't bring the matter to genocide.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Still to come.

[Vadim_888]

... .It's good that the case was not brought to genocide.

All nice people are just ahead

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

“Alas, this cannot be avoided. Radicals, ready to fight to the last soldier and who often saw the front only on their home TV screens, were and will be. As will the shelling of our peacekeepers. There will be various gangs that will shit on everyone around. But you need to go through this "
That is, according to the author, we need to forgive Azerbaijan and Armenia in advance for the hypothetical death of our military as well as for the helicopter?

[Daniil Konovalenko]

One thing is surprising, but for 30 years it was impossible to agree on these conditions, blood must be shed on both sides.

[7,62x54]

After the official resolution of the Karabakh conflict, there is a reason for Armenia and Azerbaijan to join NATO. The Armenians will argue that Russia with its CSTO is useless, and only Biden can help them. Azerbaijanis have already become convinced of the strength of NATO weapons in the person of Turkey. Well, after, after there will be the Caspian Sea with Kazakhstan.

[Sergey Russky]

by mistake you can shoot down Russian helicopters, planes to everyone ... bear with terpily ... the country is big and there are a lot of people (still giving birth) ... maybe enough, and it's time to somehow respond so that in the future there is no thought to cause harm

[Flurry]

There are no easy solutions .. just not. The main thing was to stop the war, there will be image and political losses in any case. There is a large Armenian and Azerbaijani diaspora in the Russian Federation, they all have relatives there, who died in large numbers. These are people close to Russians, and it is immoral to simply watch, making bets, as they kill each other.
NATO troops have long been in the CIS space. These are bases in Kyrgyzstan, and the world's largest embassy in Armenia with a staff of an entire motorized rifle regiment, and laboratories with instructors in Georgia and in Ukraine. Nominally, even 2000 Turks will not add or subtract anything there.
I feel sorry for the pilots. Gyumri is 140 km from this place. If there was a column and it was accompanied by a turntable, then cover was needed. And the organization of the cover raises big questions. I think the peacekeepers moved forward in advance.

[Dante Alighieri]

There are no simple solutions, you correctly noted that. However, it would be possible to immediately deprive the belligerent parties of the initiative by introducing their military contingent into the territory of Karabakh at the very beginning of the conflict and thereby ensuring the existing status quo. It was this scenario that Zhirinovsky proposed. Of course, such an option does not at all imply a final and irrevocable solution to the Karabakh issue, but it would deprive third parties of the opportunity to manage in our backyard. The Kremlin's current wait-and-see attitude has led to the fact that we were essentially invited only to legalize the already accomplished territorial acquisitions made under the patronage of the Turkish military, no more and no less.

[Peter rybak]

Good article, author. Unbiased, concise, factual.

[Vadim_888]

In his desire to remove Pashinyan, Putin created another point of tension for himself
Dagestan, get ready the terrorists are now on your doorstep

[Anton Yu]

Well, the world is just a stone's throw away. It's time to establish a dialogue.

[Narak-zempo]

It is a pity, it is impossible, in the order of "forcing to peace", to poke Iskander around Baku and Yerevan.
And then send troops and special teams of doctors to make a lobotomy for all national Svidomo on both sides of the contact line.

[svoit]

... Azerbaijan admitted that the helicopter was shot down by its servicemen by mistake

Or maybe the Turks did it (or they gave such an order), and Aliyev is shielding the brothers?

[Konnick]

Perhaps Aliyev hastened with the confession on purpose so as not to be distracted from the main thing - the signing of the surrender. The distance from the missile hit to the border is 7 km, even the "Willow" is only 6 km ... And then he will pull out the trump ace at the right moment, play like that.

[Peter rybak]

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan stated that as a result of the night pogrom, a computer, watch and other items were stolen from there by those dissatisfied with the agreement on Nagorno-Karabakh in his residence. He wrote about this on his Facebook page.

“A computer, watch, perfumery, driver's license and other items were stolen from the Prime Minister’s residence. All of this, of course, "in the name of the homeland," Pashinyan noted.

[Bi-mac]

Have you stolen your computer? Well, everything, we are waiting for the video a la Dzyuba!

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Hefty foreheads run around Yerevan, do not work, and smash official institutions, and where were they before? It was weak to sign up for the front as volunteers, but to break and steal something is always welcome! Patriots, mlyn!

[vindigo]

Putin's rating will generally fall. Especially when our soldiers start dying. Why get involved in the showdown of these peoples alien to us? Some Hutu and Tutsis are killing each other, so be it. The times of the USSR, where the Russians were a plug in every priest, are over.

[Pancher88]

Don't like Armenians? Me too. In general, few people like them. But politics is based not on personal sympathies, but on state interests. Even if you have to ally with someone who makes you sick. Personal is separate, but politics is separate. It is unprofitable for Russia to strengthen Turkey in the Transcaucasus. And that's it.

[Konnick]

"The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over"too quick conclusion, the Armenians will not accept their defeat, perhaps they will leave the CSTO and try to join NATO. Of course, no one needs them there with their ambitions and claims to" domination "in Transcaucasia in the form of a great Armenia from sea to sea, but Demilitarization of Karabakh is required, deprivation of some types of weapons from Armenia in order to save them from the "temptation" to fight.

[Knell wardenheart]

Announce the entire list of concessions, please!
Is the entire NKR as a "quasi-state" officially liquidated? Something from the territory of the NKR under the peace treaty departs from Armenia - something from Azerbaijan?

[BAI]

Pro-Turkish Azerbaijan is a more profitable partner for Russia than pro-American Armenia.
We have better relations with Turkey than with the United States,

[svoit]

Quote: Nagaibak

Status The status of Karabakh has not been determined.

Its status has not changed, and is recognized by everyone; now Russian troops will ensure the safety of returning Azerbaijani refugees. Although, if you recall, then the USSR Internal Troops somehow did not cope with this very well

[CommanderDIVA]

Why get involved in this peacekeeping operation, waste our resources? It was necessary to give Azerbaijan an opportunity to liberate its territory and Karabakh, the opponents to stop and gain a foothold on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, then our diplomats, influencing Armenia in front of new threats to the security of this country, qualitatively and quantitatively increase our base contingent in Gyumri, it is generally incomprehensible that Aliyev's decision will stop halfway to the final victory

[Uralean]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: carstorm 11

each side stepped on its own faberge

At the same time, Azerbaijan and Turkey gained, and Armenia lost.

Not certainly in that way. Russia also gained here without waging wars and losses (like Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey - it also lost its fighters, drones, armored vehicles.) Russia gained influence on this region, and strengthened its positions in the Caucasus, having the smallest losses. Everything is done according to the Chinese Confuncius, sit and watch, at the end come and pick up the lost opponents weakened by the fight.

[Amra asian]

Slavs Georgians Armenians are the highest people in the Russian national policy cannot now fight the Turks with Turkic blood. Because the Chukchi Churks understood why not a single Asiatic was ever dominated by the Armenians in the Russian state media at that time, although they are not the indigenous people of Russia. Long live Azerbaijan Turkey Kazakhstan Uzbekistan Tajikistan Kyrgyzstan Turkmenistan Tatarstan Bashkortostan! Long live the Turkic peoples of the Caucasus, the Volga region of the Urals, Siberia!

[Armen Sologyan]

The Nagorno-Karabakh problem was already solved in 1920, and repeated in 2020. On the 100th anniversary of the transfer of the territories of Armenians to the rule of Azerbaijan. Congratulations to the Armenians on the anniversary!

[Alkatrass A]

“My personal assessment of what happened is as follows. Transcaucasia (so far only Transcaucasia) was won by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, today the most capable, decisive and effective politician according to the formula “Politics is the art of the possible”. The surrender, and this is a classic surrender, was signed on his terms and at the moment is fully consistent with Turkey's strategic interests.
Ilham Aliyev, who entered into an alliance with Erdogan on the condition that Azerbaijan is now a resource of Turkey, has significantly strengthened its position within the country, because in the eyes of compatriots he looks like a winner.
The Armenian people are the unconditional moral victor, for selflessly, not sparing their belly, they fought for their living space. The people paid for their striving for freedom and independence with great blood and lives of their best sons and daughters, but received a stab in the back from the Soros puppet.
At this most difficult moment, I remain with the great Armenian people.
If someone thinks that now there will be peace in the region, either a hypocrite or a provocateur. Armenia will accumulate strength for revenge and will certainly aim at returning its lands.
Russia, once again swallowing the most serious moral humiliation, not even responding to the downed military helicopter and the death of the pilots, suffered a grave reputational defeat from Erdogan, having signed the document in question, on his terms. This can come back to haunt her in the near future with tragic consequences, the threat of losing the entire Caucasus and not only. Russia has not even a single hypothetical ally left.
The CSTO has been completely zeroed out and turned into military-political rubbish.
The next blow to Russia's reputation as a power capable of upholding its priorities in the zones of traditional national interests will be dealt in Donbass by Kiev with the moral and hidden military support of Ankara. If Russia gives up its positions in Donbass, the next target is Crimea.
These are the results of the first stage of the war against Russia so far only in the Transcaucasus ... "

[Arthur Poghosyan]

Nothing happens by chance. Azerbaijan's artistry is off scale.

[Counter Strike]

Putin has beautifully outplayed the Turks.
Russian military influence not only survived, but also intensified.

Armenia is even more dependent on Russia.

Azerbaijan also remains friends, and even then
he gets a new dependence on Russia.

In fact, Russia saved Karabakh from complete defeat and complete loss by the Armenian side.
A compromise was partly found, the Armenians are left with Stepanakert with a part of Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were given their so-called sacred city of Shusha. That is, to some extent, both sides received something, but of course, Azerbaijan, as the winning side, received more.

A very important point of the agreement is that transport hubs will be unblocked and new ones will be created, that is, the region is getting some kind of revival.

Although the Turks tried to sabotage this agreement when they shot down the helicopter, they did not succeed, apparently out of despair. Moreover, the helicopter accompanied the convoy, probably a peacekeeping one.
In fact, the Turks are left behind.

Well, the icing on the cake, this is Pashinyan's discrediting in the eyes of his voters.

[babylon]

Azerbaijanis have taught a lesson of the Armenian

[Turanov]

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over

I doubt it, it's just a lull ... If Turkey is tied there, then this will be a lever of constant pressure on Russia, almost immediately shelling of our checkpoints and perhaps they will knock something down again .. Just think logically, from what fright such a powerful support Azerbaijan from Turkey, and Israel made large deliveries there and supported information.
Is this a trap for Russia? The main goal of certain forces is to dunk Iran, which Russia supports and wants to equip with modern air defense, etc.
I don't like all this, but we'll see.

[Igor Semenov]

The war is NOT over. One of the rounds has been completed, on terms favorable to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan guaranteed NOTHING to Karabakh. Russia didn’t guarantee ANYTHING either. Relying on the

Karabakh should be handed over to Azerbaijan according to the decision of the UN Security Council

Azerbaijan can start military operations again at any moment convenient for itself. Yes, having warned the peacekeepers about it a couple of hours in advance. And what, the peacekeepers will intervene?

[APASUS]

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh is over

Rather postponed.
The Karabakh problem has not been resolved and the cessation of hostilities does not guarantee anything, it is only the return of part of the lands

[Mmm.]

It's a pity, a small but very proud people fought so little and badly for their beloved homeland, and half of Moscow's fellow countrymen did not come to the rescue

[Old warrior]

Only World Domination will save Russia and the whole world. Russian is an adjective that defines belonging to the Great Russian World: Russian Buryats, Russian Kirghiz, Russian Tatar, Russian Caucasian, Russian Cossack, etc. - when we understand this, then we will become truly Invincible.

[ximkim]

Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

Quote: ximkim

Freezing the conflict will lead to even more casualties in the near future.

Is it really better to cut out everything and everyone? I don’t know how anyone, but this escalation was initially unnecessary for Russia.

Everything and everyone will not be cut out, but when the conflict flares up with renewed vigor, there will be more victims and deaths.

[Bilal]

There was Stepanakert and Artsakh...
Suddenly the “bang-bang” started...
Justice has won!!!
There are Khankandi and Karabakh!!!