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Ukraine in a state of political weather vane

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The fact that the world has lost stability, and now any most incredible events are possible, even in the most calm and predictable countries, is already understood by most of the inhabitants. The coronavirus has highlighted the fact that for most of the leading countries in world politics, "their shirt is closer to the body." Their own problems have completely discouraged these countries from solving the problems of small countries. Every man for himself.

Most economies are bursting at the seams. Old economic ties are being severed at an ever-increasing speed. Even international corporations today are beginning to demonstrate actions that are completely different from international organizations. The rollback of such corporations to the "parent countries" begins. Production in other countries is massively declining.

In such conditions, the risks have sharply increased in those countries whose political and economic system is in the process of restructuring - reorientation from one country to another. The war in Karabakh is one of the confirmations of my thought.

The leading countries cannot change anything in the situation today. In almost any of these countries, one can notice an intensification of protest moods caused by the consequences of the pandemic. The standard of living has dropped significantly. Even despite attempts by governments to smooth out the decline by increasing various social benefits and other assistance. Problems in the healthcare system were revealed. Myths about the power of the state in the sphere of taking care of the life and health of citizens are being destroyed.

Ukraine in a state of political weather vane


It is especially difficult to maintain stability in states that were in a kneeling state even before the pandemic. In particular, in Ukraine. This is due to the state of practically any sphere of life of Ukrainians. There is no stable political system, there is no economy that would somehow produce the products necessary for life, there is no finance for the development of the social sphere, and so on.

The political crisis that is observed today in Ukraine is caused precisely by the fact that the country today is completely dependent on external injections. The country will receive another loan - some, even purely external changes will be carried out. If it does not get it, it will crash If a couple of years ago, Ukrainian politicians were arguing about this, trying to somehow prove that there are some forces in the country that could prevent such a collapse, today the debate is only about the timing of the collapse.

Ukrainian politicians and analysts today are increasingly talking about a change in political power in the country. The latest confrontation between the president and the Constitutional Court raises concerns among all political forces in Ukraine. Will the president go for the usurpation of power or will he limit himself to changing the KSU to a pocket-sized controlled body? But in fact, there is no question about it. Today the question is about the preservation of a single state. And at the cost of the complete loss of independence of this state.

The understanding that the Ukrainian state has already become a colony has come to many. Another thing is that this is not a classic colony in the understanding that is taught at school. This is a new type of colony. It was not a backward third world country that fell into the clutches of the invaders, but a fairly economically developed, competitive country with an educated population and a developed educational and scientific sphere.

It seems to me that what is happening in Ukraine today fits perfectly into the following scheme of enslavement. First, to destroy the economic component of the state. This is practically done. Secondly, to destabilize the political system by transferring power to radical right-wing forces. Done too. Thirdly, to knock out the basis on the basis of which it is possible to revive the country over time. In Ukraine, such a basis could be the land.

And here is further perspective. Fourthly, to destroy the education system and replace it with a system similar, for example, to the American one - "I kind of studied." Moreover, the system of new Ukrainian education should ensure the impossibility of continuing education at the state expense, even at the level of secondary vocational education. If you want to study, pay. Fifth, the squeezing out of the country of scientific and simply well-trained professional personnel - which is already happening and will continue to happen in the future.

Well, the ultimate goal. Sad enough for everyone. Gradual replacement of the indigenous population of the country by visitors from third world countries. Creation of this classic colony. With a poorly educated and unskilled population, ready to work for a pittance. And by the term "gradual replacement" I do not mean long terms. 20-30 years is quite enough.

Aggravation of the problem of Donbass


In the scheme that I described above, the most important link is missing. Namely, the industrially developed and, accordingly, formed Donbass. This territory does not fit into the general scheme of the colonization of Ukraine. It will not work to replace a worker with a secondary technical education at a modern machine tool with programmed control with some Bedouin. The work of a worker today requires certain knowledge.

By the way, here is the answer to the questions that Ukrainian politicians often ask: "Do we need Donbass?", "What to do with the population of Donbass?", "Does Ukraine need economic ties between Donetsk enterprises and Russia?" and so on. In 2014, the radicals failed to destroy the industrial region by force. Today it is from the east of Ukraine that the "infection of education" is creeping.

Not many have noticed the trend, which is still being timidly discussed in Ukraine. Those who left the region in 2014-2015 are returning to the LDNR. Families come back. They even return to places where there is still a danger of the arrival of Ukrainian ammunition. People are leaving Ukraine by hook or by crook. The explanations given by the Ukrainian authorities to this process look childishly naive. People do not have enough subsidies and other payments!

In 2014-2015. one could still believe it. But not in 2020. After all, it was not pensioners who left Donbass, but the most economically active part of the population. People who were able to work and earn money, who had the appropriate education and work skills. They did not go to live on benefits. They went to live like everyone else. The past years have become a wonderful cold shower for such immigrants.

It was clear even then that after the defeat of the Ukrainian army and the signing of the Minsk Agreements, Ukraine would seriously consider the Yugoslav scenario. The beginning of active hostilities was planned in a year or two after Minsk. It was necessary to accumulate strength.

The Russian president broke off a beautiful plan. Broke off with his famous warning about the Ukrainian statehood in the event of the start of active databases. For many today, such a harsh statement still looks like a mystery. And there was no riddle and no. It's just that the president knows more than a common man in the street. Including about the plans of those whom he warned.

Today Ukraine is being torn apart by local elites. President Zelensky is well aware of this. Or the owners tell him about it. Kiev has nothing to resist the scattering of the country to its "own huts". The regions are not only politically stronger, but also have rather strong paramilitary structures of “combat veterans”. About weapons I will not write.

From here, it seems to me, Kiev has the only way out, which solves many problems not only of the Ukrainian pseudo-power, but also of the owners of the new colony. This is the beginning of active hostilities in the east. Yes, it's risky. Especially considering Putin's strange habit of keeping his promises. But there is no other way! Only an external enemy can force the Ukrainians to unite. Only an external enemy will make the Kiev authorities really authorities.

And another important detail pushing Zelensky to such a decision is Karabakh. More precisely, Russia's calm reaction to the events there. The hope is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will methodically squeeze the republicans out of the borders of the former Ukraine in the same way as the Azerbaijanis do, and the Russians will look at this process with boredom in their eyes. The classic Ukrainian mantra about the imminent collapse of Russia and its ineffective army in action.

I understand that now skepticism was born in some heads. Does the author really think that Ukrainians are idiots? No, the author does not consider Ukrainians to be idiots. But those who today make decisions on behalf of the Ukrainian people - yes. In the years that have passed since the Maidan, I have been convinced of this many times. Almost every day.

Why am I writing so confidently about the intensification of hostilities in Donbass even before the New Year holidays? And try to answer yourself to a simple question: "What has Ukraine done for at least some progress in the negotiation process in the TCG?" Give at least one example of a desire to solve something, except for the words "for all good and against all bad."

I personally get the impression that in the Trilateral Contact Group, the parties are engaged in completely different matters. The LDNR are deciding the questions of who, how and in what time frame must fulfill some obligations in accordance with the Minsk Agreements approved by the UN Security Council. Ukraine, on the other hand, is developing these very agreements, constantly offering one or another interpretation of the already written document.

It is enough to listen to Kuchma's last speech on the ways of implementing the Minsk agreements that Kiev is proposing to understand that no one is going to do anything. Zelensky is waiting for the moment when it will be possible to quickly solve the problem of Donbass with one blow. The moment when the Russians will have no time for Donbass. But time is playing against the Kiev authorities. There are two scenarios: power and the preservation of a single state for a while, or confusion and vacillation with a quite possible state. coup soon.

Critical days in Ukraine should not become critical for Donbass


Scorpios in the bank of Kiev politics are hungry. At the moment, they have spread to different sides of the political spectrum and are waiting for an attack. One must start. And then we will see the melee of all at all. They will bite mercilessly both their own and others.

It is especially important for us at such a time to “close the shutter” in Donbass. Close it so that the thought does not arise to throw Ukrainian problems into the republics. Simply because the citizens of Ukraine should solve Ukrainian problems. How they will achieve this is not our business. It is not even stupid to interfere in the internal affairs of another state without a request from this state - it is dangerous.

It is necessary to forget our eternal pity for the poor. Does it really matter what kind of dog bites you, domestic, kind and well-mannered or courtyard wicked? The result is the same. This means that it is necessary to prepare a stick in order to drive the dog away from its own leg in time. It is necessary to save the lives of the citizens of LDNR, and not to forget about the Russians living there. Save in every possible way. Not to help to be saved, but to save.

It is necessary that the Kiev authorities know about this ...
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 9 November 2020 05: 55
    13
    Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 9 November 2020 06: 16
      +8
      Ukraine in a state of political weather vane

      The author is just the evidence itself. For the entire time of the independence of the territory since 1991, did you just notice that Ukraine was doing only that all the time, that it dangled like something in something between different points of attraction?

      And yes, Pessimist22, Ukraine needs to be dealt with. Delaying with this only aggravates the problem.
      They were "ashamed" to cut the snake ball in hot pursuit in 2014, and by 2020, the "price issue" had already risen, and the prospects for the emergence of outpost bases in the US and Great Britain are more and more realistic.
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 November 2020 07: 25
      -8
      This is all clear, but for what? What's the goal? What will improve the lives of ordinary Russians from this? These goals need to be voiced.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 November 2020 08: 16
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        What will improve the lives of ordinary Russians from this?

        Do you want to hear banal answers?

        It is better to live among friends than among enemies, at least to people belonging to the Russian civilization, which we are. What does this give us specifically - peace on our borders, a reduction in the budget of the "defense industry", the funds from which will go to the peaceful needs of the country ie us all.

        Pto article.

        There are three mature civilizations in the world: Western, Eastern and Russian. What is their difference. Western, however, like the Eastern civilization, involving countries in their orbit of influence, turn them from into their vassals, destroying their culture and originality. The Russian civilization, on the contrary, develops the culture and identity of peoples, and many of them were given writing (Kazakhstan).

        This fully applies to Ukraine.
        The vassal does not have his own voice, he can only voice the desire of the owner.
        1. Sofa batyr
          Sofa batyr 9 November 2020 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: Boris55
          It is better to live among friends than among enemies

          This alone is already worth a lot yes
          1. Roman B_3
            Roman B_3 9 November 2020 13: 15
            -1
            This no longer applies to Ukraine.
            1. Sofa batyr
              Sofa batyr 9 November 2020 14: 28
              +2
              Quote: Roman B_3
              This no longer applies to Ukraine.

              And how much of that Ukraine, in fact, remains when Novorossia and the primordially Russian Slobozhanshchina and Chernihivshchina go to us?
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                1. 9 Shaft
                  9 Shaft 9 November 2020 19: 24
                  0
                  I sharply think that you are a Ukrainian nationalist, a Russian Ukrainian))))) as you think you do not think. The Russian world may be on his side, but the Russian people, Russian people, ordinary Russians will never be enemies. A normal person in Ukraine understands that the war in the east is a pain, unleashed at the suggestion of nationalists. Volunteers from the Russian Federation, possibly officers, instructors, and maybe military specialists from that Russian Federation were and are in the Donbass, but this is not a war with Russia. People are thinking and this is not in your favor. And I know what I am writing, because I have many friends there))))
                2. ZEMCH
                  ZEMCH 10 November 2020 03: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Roman B_3
                  Do you think Russians in Ukraine still have illusions about Russia? You are deeply mistaken. You are an enemy state for us.

                  And my relatives don't think so))) And we meet, and we communicate by phone, social networks!
                  The collapse of the USSR divided our family into three states, but no one considers Russia an enemy, everyone seems to be sane, both young and adults! wink
                3. CSKA
                  CSKA 10 November 2020 11: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: Roman B_3
                  You are deeply mistaken.

                  Have you personally conducted a survey?
        2. 210ox
          210ox 9 November 2020 20: 01
          +1
          Let me remind you that the Latin alphabet was introduced in Kazakhstan. All you are talking about is Soviet civilization.
    3. major147
      major147 9 November 2020 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts.

      And after the reorganization of part b. Ukraine's most loyal to Russia should be gradually integrated into the Russian Federation.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 9 November 2020 12: 39
        -7
        Quote: major147
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts.

        And after the reorganization of part b. Ukraine's most loyal to Russia should be gradually integrated into the Russian Federation.

        Destroy the country and then look for loyal ones?
        After Crimea and CADLO, the number of loyalists has changed a lot.
        The loyalty achieved by the hard work of centuries and the Republic of Ingushetia / the USSR was destroyed by the country of the Russian Federation in 2014. Yes, and it is difficult to show loyalty to society, whose first comment
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts.

        Therefore, the plan is to destroy and destroy the country (the largest Russian-speaking / Orthodox country after the Russian Federation) and then look for loyal ones, it even sounds crazy. Not to mention that attempts to destroy in parts has already led to a change in loyalty. From the stage of super-loyalty of the greater part to super-disloyalty of the greater part.
        Reaching the RF country? Indisputably. Negative growth in loyalty.
        1. major147
          major147 9 November 2020 16: 26
          0
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          Negative growth in loyalty.

          It is not at all a fact that Ukraine is being destroyed by the Russian Federation. The Ukrainians themselves enthusiastically “rip off” their country, but it's better to think that Russia is doing it.
          "Everything flows, everything changes" (c) and when "enlightenment in the mind" comes, those who for some reason think that Russia is their enemy, they themselves grow, as has never happened in history. As our President said: "We will not pull anyone to ourselves by force" (I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the meaning is correct).
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          Therefore, the plan is to destroy and destroy the country (the largest Russian-speaking / Orthodox country after the Russian Federation) and then look for loyal ones, it even sounds crazy.

          But why? Isn't it crazy to create a country out of different pieces? And if the creator doesn't like his creation, I think he has the right to destroy it.
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          The loyalty achieved by the hard work of centuries and the Republic of Ingushetia / the USSR was destroyed by the country of the Russian Federation in 2014.

          Here you are dissembling! There was no Crimea or Donbass yet, and the putschists in power in Ukraine have already declared Russia an enemy with all that it implies, so now you don't need to shout your beloved "And what for?"
          1. Niel-le-Calais
            Niel-le-Calais 9 November 2020 21: 28
            0
            Quote: major147
            It is not at all a fact that Russia is destroying Ukraine

            Well, the comment that Ukraine needs to be destroyed / divided into parts is not written by Ukrainians / Hungarians / Poles, etc. This is the first commentary on such articles. Marker
            Quote: major147
            The Ukrainians themselves enthusiastically “rip off” their country, but it's better to think that Russia is doing it.

            Share their own. It is not forbidden to destroy yourself at all (although euthanasia is not always allowed)
            Their own country, their people - if this is so, then this is their fate.
            Consolidation from the outside leads to two things. Those who are not indifferent to the country defend, those who are indifferent steal three times over. Moreover, they can hide behind external aggression.
            This can be clearly seen in Ukraine. Patriots / Pseudo-patriots There are also patriotic thieves.

            Quote: major147
            "Everything flows, everything changes" (c) and when "enlightenment in the mind" comes, those who for some reason think that Russia is their enemy, they themselves grow, as it has never happened in history

            The trouble is that "the ashes of the Crimea and CADLO will knock" if not for long, then forever.
            It is possible to ask a country that has taken away 13.22% only in the event of a global threat to humanity.
            Territorial issues are generally difficult to resolve. They can roam for millennia. The Russians constantly have territorial claims exclusively against Ukraine. Take away, divide, primordial, ours ... And then they made the Crimea. Now the second side is the same.
            Quote: major147
            To create a country from different pieces, it's not crazy

            All countries are created from different pieces at different times.
            The strength of a country is in its ability to hold on to all this, in people, and this is the most valuable thing. All the rest people can create.

            Quote: major147
            the putschists in power in Ukraine have already declared Russia an enemy with all that it implies, so now there is no need to shout your beloved "What for?"

            There were few putschists, they immediately flew in the elections in the form of nationalists and other corps.
            But all the others who did not like the next Maidan or were not interested. Russians of Ukraine and Ukrainians with family ties with the Russian Federation and simply loyal to the Russian Federation as a friendly country - the statements of the "putschists" did not mean anything. They changed their position solely because of the Crimea and CADLO.
            Most of the country Ukraine before the events of 2014 in Kiev was loyal and the rest of the minimum neutral. And given that usually the Maidans only improve the position of the Russian Federation in negotiations with Ukraine, there was no need to do anything. Gnawed at it and would have come to Moscow as it was the first time, and sold the other half to Russian capital. For the first has already been bought by him.
            The seed in the form of the Moscow agreements and the advance payment of Eurobonds was already ready.
            1. major147
              major147 9 November 2020 21: 42
              0
              I will not argue with your calculations, incl. and about the possible development of events. History has no subjunctive mood. But here's the question
              Quote: Niel-le-Calais
              Take away, divide, primordial, our ..

              requires clarification.
            2. CSKA
              CSKA 10 November 2020 12: 22
              -1
              Quote: Niel-le-Calais
              The trouble is that the "ashes of Crimea

              What ash is there and what? You can whine there as much as you like and shout about who is there and what there is to whom you like in dill. By what you write
              Quote: Niel-le-Calais
              ORDLO

              It is already clear who you are. Since childhood I have been listening to all these nonsense about loyalty and good relations from various politicians. 14% of your territory has been taken away from you? So this is not enough, you need to take everything, well, the truth is, without this stall of sheep from the western region. What is there to ask the herd? Since it was silent and will remain silent, even when this minority Nazi from them shears off.
        2. Radius
          Radius 11 November 2020 12: 53
          0
          [quote = Niel-le-Calais] [quote = major147] [quote = Pessimist22] Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts. [/ quote]

          After Crimea and CADLO, the number of loyalists has changed a lot.
          . [/ Quote]

          Unfortunately, but it is a fact: Ukraine got its own after the first calls, such as: Moskalyaku to Gilyak. After these calls and races on the Maidan, forget about any loyalty to yourself. If you do not understand the good, they will explain to you (and more than once) the bad.
    4. iouris
      iouris 9 November 2020 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Ukraine must be destroyed and divided

      After the neighboring powers are destroyed and divided.
      Ukraine is feathery.
    5. military_cat
      military_cat 9 November 2020 13: 07
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      (...)

      Good afternoon. You recently bet $ 500 for Trump to win, I bet $ 500 against yours for Biden to win. Can we summarize?
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 November 2020 18: 42
      -3
      Uncle Vova is smart, why fight if everything can be obtained by political means, albeit slower, but less costly.
    7. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 9 November 2020 20: 33
      +2
      "Ukraine must be destroyed and divided into parts."
      I categorically do not see (now) other options.
      And the sooner this Godly deed happens, the better everyone will be.
    8. Cuba
      Cuba 10 November 2020 06: 29
      +1
      there is no such country! ... there is a territory temporarily occupied by the Nazis-Westerners!
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 9 November 2020 05: 55
    11
    And how to save something, the Author? Why didn't you answer your own question?
    Personally, I see only one way - to admit the LPR to Russia. All other decisions are just a short delay from the start of a full-scale war of the 2014 model.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 9 November 2020 06: 22
      +8
      Quote: Hunter 2
      And how to save something, the Author? Why didn't you answer your own question?

      He may have an answer, but only the sense from him?
      The author is not a Kremlin leader, or even a political adviser.

      The Kremlin must respond to challenges and set goals.
      Clear and understandable goals, the understanding of which would make Bandera vna Uryna sick ...
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 November 2020 14: 04
      -1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      And how to save something, the Author?

      Now they are trying to save what was "acquired by overwork." And there will be no war: the USSR was disbanded in order to "go to Europe."
    3. Cuba
      Cuba 10 November 2020 06: 31
      0
      Our spineless leadership keeps looking back at the "partners" and talking about international law, which everyone has long ago hammered into!
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 10 November 2020 12: 47
        -1
        Quote: Cuba
        Our spineless

        This is when it was spineless? 2008 or 2014? At whom it was looking back then, do not tell?
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 10 November 2020 17: 35
          0
          Swiss bankers.) wink
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 11 November 2020 10: 10
            -1
            Quote: Holgerton
            Swiss bankers.)

            What are you? Which one?
  3. Asad
    Asad 9 November 2020 05: 56
    -1
    All zapadentsy know, that's why they smoke, bamboo, not twitching much! For a long time all this hemorrhoids, unfortunately!
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 9 November 2020 06: 32
      +3
      Quote: ASAD
      All Westerners know, that's why they smoke, bamboo, not twitching too much!

      And the mudshtuks they have for lighting bamboo are appropriate.

  4. Russ
    Russ 9 November 2020 06: 11
    +5
    Kiev has nothing to resist the scattering of the country to its "own huts".


  5. Deniska999
    Deniska999 9 November 2020 06: 33
    +2
    And Russia is not? The last few days have only been discussing the US elections. It depends on who will become the president and the transfer process is sharpened, how it will be held.
    1. domokl
      9 November 2020 07: 06
      +9
      Really
      discussing elections. At the same time, if you carefully watched at least one such discussion, I do not mean the sect of "wet blind men" from one well-known radio station and others like them, who have the main belief in American ideals, then you noticed that no one is talking about a change in the US attitude towards RF. We are enemy number 1 by any means.
      And the discussion is going on simply because completely different questions are interesting. In particular, the issue of relations with the European colonies of the United States, the issue of Syria, Karabakh, Armenia, Ukraine, etc.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 9 November 2020 08: 56
        -1
        Quote: Deniska999
        The last few days are only discussing the US elections
        Quote: domokl
        And the discussion is going on simply because completely different questions are interesting.

        I am interested in their choice in terms of whether the role of the fifth column will increase with us or not.

        Trump confronts the Clintonoids at home. This is reflected morally and financially on the Clintonoids in our country. Let me remind you that it was under Clinton that the medal "For Victory in the Cold War" was issued over the USSR. It was they who appointed us the oligarchs and wrote us the colonial Constitution of 1993, according to which we still live.

        With the arrival of Biden, a representative of the Clinton clan, the influence of "our" fifth column will increase in all types of power and the president will not be able to ignore it (they agree with the strong, they dictate their will to the weak).

        ps
        Who is our fifth column? Look at our TV and you will understand that those who are against Trump and are drowning for Bidon, then they are the fifth column in our ranks, dreaming of returning the "holy 90s".
  6. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 9 November 2020 06: 48
    +1
    Damn the author is funny, so Russia is the same colony as Ukraine, well, just a difference, we do not have the Right Sector, but there are costumed Cossacks and Black Hundreds) and so everything is the same
    1. domokl
      9 November 2020 07: 09
      +3
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      Russia is the same colony as Ukraine

      Give reasons for your findings. Only without fairy tales about international corporations and the children of the country's leaders in Europe and the United States, nobody canceled international trade, we have no curtain. And you can teach children even on the moon. The main thing is to have a good education for modern life. To defeat the enemy, you must be able to think like the enemy
      1. HaByxoDaBHocep
        HaByxoDaBHocep 9 November 2020 07: 30
        0
        Where do we have a good education now? In paid schools for the elite, medicine is killed, factories are being closed, almost total dependence on imports, etc.
        1. domokl
          9 November 2020 08: 50
          0
          It's strange ... In our depressed region, which is generally recognized in Russia, the plant is working, not being closed, but it is working. True, it may be because most of the defense industry factories, institutes are full of students, even small business is reviving. Another thing is that money does not flow in our country on the same scale as in the European part.
          As for imports ... Why should we use bad Russian if there is good foreign? There are things that are easily ripped off in the foreign market. We produce and sell. And with the money we earn, we buy the world's best goods and create a similar production in Russia. We have many examples of such development
          1. HaByxoDaBHocep
            HaByxoDaBHocep 9 November 2020 08: 58
            +2
            And in our single-industry town in the north of the Irkutsk region, all factories were closed except for hydroelectric power plants and timber industry complex, which is 50 percent owned by the IP company from the United States, there are no institutions left, young people are dumping the city, in 91 the population was 120 thousand, now there are 82 thousand and factories were closed not in the 90s, but under everyone's "beloved" president, the result of colonial policy is obvious
            1. domokl
              9 November 2020 20: 11
              0
              We also have problems with young people. In Moscow and Peter run. And rightly so. During the new life, the city also "lost" 100 thousand. Now 1,130 thousand are left. it's about salaries, I think. For one and the same job in Moscow, they pay three to four times more. and young people are mobile. Not overgrown with families. apartments, garages. The fish is looking for where is deeper, and the man is where the fish is ...
              But this is the problem of the entire Trans-Urals. Both Siberia and the Far East remain without population. And nobody has started to do anything yet. All these megaprojects are designed for temporary workers. We arrived, built, left five servants and left. For locals, this is generally zero.
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 9 November 2020 10: 56
            -2
            That is what the new ones are closing.
        2. Cuba
          Cuba 10 November 2020 06: 34
          -1
          And not you ragul, my friend, sent ??
        3. CSKA
          CSKA 10 November 2020 13: 46
          -1
          Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
          medicine is killed, factories are closed, almost total dependence on imports, etc.

          ))))) Well, fairy tales rushed. Is it because we have killed medicine that treats people from coronavirus for free? And list the factories that were closed? Or, as usual, besides ZIL, remember nothing? And then I just can make a big list. Well, about the total dependence on imports, leave this nonsense to yourself. All countries import something, while in each industry we produce our own.
          1. HaByxoDaBHocep
            HaByxoDaBHocep 11 November 2020 04: 25
            0
            Regarding medicine, in our city and in the region there are 2000 patients with the corona, several hundred of them are in the hospital and a scribe is already full in hospitals, there are no medicines, there are no doctors, volunteers are asked to the doctors' house, what would be taken, it’s scary to imagine if tomorrow is a war there will be thousands of wounded, in general everything will collapse; regarding the factories, in our town in Soviet times there were a pulp mill, a mechanical plant, a repair and mechanical plant, a dairy, a meat processing plant, an airport with a strip capable of receiving Boeing and VTA, equipped with telescopic ladders back in 1993, a hydroelectric power station, a thermal power station, an aeroclub, a hydrolysis yeast plant was built by 90 percent, a chipboard plant, a timber processing plant, a brewery, now all of this remains: hydroelectric power station, thermal power plant, LDZ, TsZ, the rest is all closed, the airport in 2005, the Ministry of Health in the early tenths, etc. , and there was also a fish factory, also ordered to live long
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 12 November 2020 15: 12
              -2
              To begin with, you would still name your city, so that you can evaluate all your words. All of a sudden, you’ve made up for us here.
              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              Regarding medicine, in our city and the region there are 2000 patients with a crown, of which several hundred are in the hospital and a scribe is already full in hospitals, there are no medicines, there are no doctors, volunteers are asked to the doctors' house to take them

              )))))) So you want to say that you personally learned everything from the chief doctors in the hospitals of your city?
              And that's why medicine has been destroyed? Then it was destroyed in Italy, France, Germany, and of course the USA.
              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              it's scary to imagine if tomorrow is a war and there will be thousands of wounded

              I know perfectly well how it will be. No need to shake. I saw how it was in the DNI. Nothing was hammered there.
              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              airport with a strip capable of receiving Boeing and VTA

              )))))) First of all, how did you refer the airfield to the factories. Secondly, Boeings are different. Different sizes. What did you mean by that?
              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              in Soviet times there were a pulp mill, a mechanical plant, a mechanical repair plant, a dairy plant, a meat processing plant

              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              now all this remains: hydroelectric power station, thermal power station, LDZ, TsZ

              Now look. What is left is what is able to work and gives profit. Is it that the state has closed the Ministry of Health, a dairy, a meat processing plant? No, the owner closed. And closed it most likely for objective reasons. Because they were unprofitable. Was the state supposed to save them? Dairy? Is this a strategic enterprise?
          2. HaByxoDaBHocep
            HaByxoDaBHocep 11 November 2020 04: 39
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            Our airport in the 90s and now, is this progress in your opinion?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 12 November 2020 15: 16
              -1
              Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
              Our airport in the 90s and now, is this progress in your opinion?

              ))))) And you were supposed to build a terminal in Sheremetyevo? In a city with a population of 80 thousand people? Can you build an international airport as well? And I didn't see the difference in the terminal. The hall is slightly larger with two ladders to the top and a one-story building. The same size. Moreover, most likely it was built instead of the old building.
      2. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 9 November 2020 07: 34
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        To defeat the enemy, you must be able to think like the enemy

        Absolutely.
        And before the war, we always learn the language of the enemy.
        First we learned French, then we learned German, now we are learning English ..
        And let them say thank you for not learning Chinese yet.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 9 November 2020 21: 33
          0
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          And before the war, we always learn the language of the enemy.
          First we learned French, then we learned German, now we are learning English ..
          And let them say thank you for not learning Chinese yet.

          only one thing is bad. When all this was, Russian women gave birth to more children than now when they learn English.
          Therefore, only a few will learn Chinese. But this will help little.
          It is corny there will be no people to hold the territory. Even on a rotational basis.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 10 November 2020 13: 51
            -1
            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            It is corny there will be no people to hold the territory. Even on a rotational basis.

            We have been hearing these tales for many years. But in a strange way, all of Pskov has not yet moved to St. Petersburg, and Ryazan to Moscow. And everyone will not leave the Far East either. And to protect the Far East, if necessary, will be not only the inhabitants of the Far East, but the whole country.
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2020 08: 01
        -1
        In the scheme that I described above, the most important link is missing. Namely the industrially developed and, accordingly, formed Donbass

        This is exactly what the author described the current Donbass, and not the one before 2014?
        If you believe the same Yegor Makhov and other sources, then everything is not so rosy as in these lines.
        1. Sofa batyr
          Sofa batyr 9 November 2020 09: 11
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          If you believe the same Yegor Makhov and other sources, then everything is not so rosy as in these lines.

          Do you believe in the infallibility of Makhov and other sources, their sincere non-tendentiousness in some issues, without being yourself immersed in the environment of what is happening there?
          More precisely, is it possible to blindly trust information, for example, about "catastrophes" for the republics, which are more than once predicted in articles by the same Makhov, but never happened?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2020 10: 18
            -3
            Is it possible to believe the quote I quoted above? Yes, I knew Donetsk before the war. A thriving city of roses.
            Well, and not Makhov alone. If not difficult, list the development of the industry over the past six years.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 9 November 2020 10: 23
              +1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              If not difficult, list the development of the industry over the past six years.


              "You to me - I to you", you give me such statistics for Ukraine, which is not in the DB zone and whose capital is not ten kilometers from the front line, and I will tell you about the DPR and LPR ...
              1. Sofa batyr
                Sofa batyr 9 November 2020 10: 30
                +3
                Quote: BDRM 667
                "You tell me - I tell you", you give me such statistics on Ukraine, which is not in the DB zone and whose capital is not ten kilometers from the front line, and I will tell you about the DPR and LPR ...

                Perhaps so fair.

                And you,The leader of the Redskins It doesn't hurt to understand that it is really hard there, but the gravity of the situation is not because the Donbass cannot, but because the aggression of Ukraine does not give them the opportunity not only to develop, but even to recover.
                Have you read about the recent shelling of the DFS, the station supplying water to the besieged Donetsk?

                And who fired? "Released"?
                1. Niel-le-Calais
                  Niel-le-Calais 9 November 2020 22: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Divan-batyr
                  Have you read about the recent shelling of the DFS, the station supplying water to the besieged Donetsk?
                  And who fired? "Released"?

                  Let's check?
                  This news sounds like this
                  On the morning of November 6, the Ukrainian military subjected the Donetsk filtering station (DFS) to mortar shelling, which provides water to residents of Donbass on both sides of the line of demarcation of the conflicting parties.

                  We are watching the OSCE report. Because everyone lies, both the other side and the second. The OSCE may not be neutral either. But there is more confidence in her, we will not trust our direct opponents. They will gladly write about the enemy, that they eat children there in the morning.
                  So the report for November 6th. Morning.
                  The SMM recorded 55 ceasefire violations in Donetsk region,
                  including 48 explosions of undetermined origin, most of which
                  recorded in areas northeast of n. Shyrokyne village (controlled
                  government, 100 km south of Donetsk) and in areas south-south-west of Donetsk
                  filtration station (DFS; 15 km north of Donetsk)

                  checked previous reports with fixing cameras.
                  (SMM chamber at Donetsk filter station)
                  3 explosions and 2 shells. from 21h 05m to 21h 18m. Distance from 1 to 3 km to the south-southwest from the camera on the DFS.
                  That is, shelling near the DFS was on November 5 in the evening.
                  Judging by the report, the ORDO fired at the Shirokino and Avdeevka areas. The Ukrainian Armed Forces fired at an area near the DFS.
                  Nobody fired at the DFS itself.
              2. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 9 November 2020 10: 54
                -3
                Excuse me, is there a quote in the article about a prosperous Ukraine? Or maybe I put it that way? There are enough of their own problems and one can argue about its economic and industrial growth.
                I questioned the author's quote. And you, for some reason, began to offer me examples from Ukraine. Are you provoking? This is punishable.
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 9 November 2020 12: 35
                  -2
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Are you provoking? This is punishable.

                  But you don’t need this ... To direct the shadow to the fence, how’s there on the move “tyn”?

                  I offered honest communication - "You to me - I to you"Where is the provocation here?

                  Even this picture is not a provocation, but just a coincidence.
                  It is not my fault that the internal Ukrainian struggle for a place in the sun generates such pictures of Zelensky from Poroshenko's supporters.

        2. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 9 November 2020 22: 01
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Namely the industrially developed and, accordingly, formed Donbass

          This is exactly what the author described the current Donbass, and not the one before 2014?

          Well, the idealization of the region is not a new topic.
          Very strangely, he turns out that Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and others are exactly the same industrially developed - apparently not educated at all.
          Ukraine in 2019
          on the RATING OF COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD BY EDUCATION LEVEL INDEX took 46th place (above Croatia and Italy)
          If anyone is interested in the Russian Federation above (33rd place)
          And Donbass is generally 2/3 in Ukraine, and 1/3 of the one about which the author writes rather quickly lost active people. Partly due to migration, partly due to lack of work. In the Russian Federation, the payment is higher, in Ukraine you do not need documents to do. As a result, most of them rushed to Ukraine, many went to Russia.
          What Staver writes is nothing but cheap propaganda.
          He is fleeing from Ukraine to ORDLO. And the education is higher (the campaign was only in the Donbass, and Ukraine - the village was with one teacher) and the salary is higher.
          Everything would be fine. But the numbers say otherwise. And they are in no hurry to return. And the gray zone has developmental problems. YES, and there is education in Ukraine.
          For authors like Staver, the main thing is to write that the source of all troubles (Ukraine / USA / EU) will fall apart and the problem will disappear.
          And they don't want to work with her. So far, no showcase has emerged from the gray zone of the Russian World. Quite the opposite. Not a cheerful showcase of the gray zone scares away everything.
          But the authors are still advertising.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 10 November 2020 13: 57
            -1
            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            As a result, most of them rushed to Ukraine, many went to Russia.

            Personally, they also counted.)))))) As you start reading these nonsense, it becomes funny. At least you shouldn't tell the citizens of Ukraine about the high salaries in dill and the fact that most of them left for Ukraine.
      4. iouris
        iouris 9 November 2020 14: 00
        -1
        Quote: domokl
        Give reasons for your findings.

        You have listed all the signs yourself.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 November 2020 07: 03
    +1
    But the main thing has been done - congratulations on the victory were sent to Biden, who has not yet officially become president. The weather vane is simply obliged to be among the first, or better the first, to pay homage to the owner with a bow of a knee, a bowed head and of course an outstretched hand.
  8. north 2
    north 2 9 November 2020 07: 20
    -1
    firstly, if the media used the name Little Russia instead of the name Ukraine, then this would be the correct name and a clear signal to the Russians both in Kiev and Donbas and
    in Odessa, etc. that there is Great Russia, who understands that it is necessary to begin to punish
    confused elites in the confused lands of the outskirts of Russia, which these lands of Russia called what
    then Ukraine, although from time immemorial they have been called Little Russia. If in the media
    the fifth column would not sit in the editorial offices, then it is the media that would teach both Putin and Lavrov and Zakharova the history and laws of metaphysics. If those themselves are not strong in these sciences.
    And you don't need to comfort yourself with the thought that if those confused elites on the outskirts of the Russian lands declare that in the XNUMXth century the invented term Kievan Rus is this Ukrainian state with a thousand-year history, and not the temporary residence of the most powerful and influential Grand Duke of the Russian lands,
    then there is no need to amuse yourself, which is no longer considered by ordinary Russians who today live on these
    the lands of Great Russia that have gone astray, which from time immemorial has been called Little Russia. The fictions and Bederov's chroniclers had to end yesterday. Today it is necessary to do this every day in the media, if we want that Russians in Little Russia did not become zombified plankton in Bender's aquarium and if we want Putin, Lavrov and Zakharov to teach history and the laws of metaphysics, if they are weak in these sciences.
    However, they say that Shoigu is very strong in these sciences. And this, without condition, only pleases that there is
    offices in which the doors of the fifth column are closed ... So there is still someone to teach Bendera, or rather, to teach a lesson ...
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 9 November 2020 07: 59
    +7
    Another fantasy from the author. And some moments are generally masterful. For example, about the settlement of Ukraine by a contingent from third world countries, which "will work for a pittance." Author - "contingent from third world countries" going to Europe DO NOT WORK! Therefore, migrants from Africa and Asia go to Germany, Sweden, Britain and other countries of the European Union with a high standard of living, where you can live comfortably by African standards on welfare and do nothing !. And they can only be brought to work for Ukraine in the form of slaves, as they were once taken to America.
    As for Donbass, here the author, consciously or not, is far from reality. At present, the main task of the Russian leadership is to fuse the Donbass with all its problems to Ukraine by any means. And this process will only intensify. There is no question of any "salvation" and "joining". And the "Kiev authorities" are aware of this and as much as they can. Ukraine is now only Donbass lacking for all its problems.
    1. BAI
      BAI 9 November 2020 10: 05
      +1
      Currently, the main task of the Russian leadership is to fuse Donbass with all its problems to Ukraine by any means.

      Absolutely not by any means - only on the terms of Russia. Otherwise, it will be perceived that Russia caved in under the sanctions and they will intensify many times over the issue of Crimea.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 9 November 2020 10: 28
        +2
        only on the terms of Russia.
        This goes without saying.
  10. arhitroll
    arhitroll 9 November 2020 08: 18
    +1
    Aaaaa is a weather vane, but grandfather Lenin put it differently ...
    1. Cuba
      Cuba 10 November 2020 06: 37
      -1
      formulate, do not formulate, the essence is the same:
  11. t-12
    t-12 9 November 2020 08: 30
    +1
    Vane changes direction depending on the wind. The Ukrainian government has, albeit unpleasant for Russia, a clear and unambiguous policy: disengagement from Russia, providing the West with its services (territory, manpower) to fight Russia.

    Loans for such a thing will be planted in Ukraine, weapons will also be planted without question. So the industry and education in Ukraine, in general, is not needed. It is enough to teach Ukrainians to count to a hundred, assemble and disassemble a machine gun and hate Russia. Primitive? Yes. But it may well work.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 9 November 2020 09: 04
    -1
    Only the complete destruction of Ukraine and the division into several small states, can once and for all solve the problem of economic, historical and political prostitution, this ,, state ,,
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 09: 25
      -2
      Only complete destruction of Ukraine and division into several small states
      In terms of sharing Ukraine with Poland?
  13. cniza
    cniza 9 November 2020 09: 06
    +3
    Ukraine in a state of political weather vane


    And not only Ukraine ...
  14. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 November 2020 09: 23
    +2
    She is the only one in such a situation in the post-Soviet space ... There are no exceptions ..
  15. BAI
    BAI 9 November 2020 09: 49
    +5
    1.
    There is no stable political system, there is no economy that would somehow produce the products necessary for life, there is no finance for the development of the social sphere, and so on.

    The hryvnia is demonstrating steady, steady growth against the ruble and has already won back the positions it lost in 2014. If everything is so bad there, then what do we have?
    I am not talking about official inflation - using official data = not respecting yourself. I heard on the radio on Sunday: "The price of sugar has increased by 40% over the year." It would seem - here it is, the truth of life! 40%, not 5-7 official ones. But the fact is that sugar in chain stores has grown from 23 rubles to 50 rubles over the year. Where is 40% here? I'm not talking about 5-7.
    2.
    Gradual replacement of the indigenous population of the country with visitors from third world countries.

    And where are the migrants? Migrants go to rich countries. By the way, published today:
    For the first time in history, the Slavs in Moscow were in the minority - they, including Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians, are only about 40% of the city's population.
  16. Avior
    Avior 9 November 2020 09: 50
    +3
    Another story from the six-year TV series "Just about Ukraine will freeze and fall apart."
    But this is generally a masterpiece.
    ... Those who left the region in 2014-2015 are returning to the LDNR. Families come back.

    But surely in 2014-2015, the author or his predecessor at VO, in unison with all the other media, vividly described how they flee from Donbass to Russia. But now, it turns out, they fled to Ukraine ...
    And now, it turns out, they decided to run back en masse, for a salary of 10 thousand re. In Ukraine, the minimum wage is much higher, the author modestly decided not to pay attention to this.
    What will we learn tomorrow from the author? That Ukraine massively decided to move to the LPNR?
    Why not just return to reality. There was no economic miracle in Donbass, you need to face the truth.
    And even if you join Russia, you will get just another deeply subsidized region. The level of a part of the population will rise slightly at the expense of other regions of Russia, with sharply increased prices. And it's all. There is nothing in the Donbass that Russia needs - old mined mines, which are still holding on to the reduced cost of coal due to the miserable salaries of miners and neglect of safety measures, and dilapidated competitors to the Russian metallurgical plant, contacts with which will instantly lead to international sanctions, which metallurgist needs it? Who will invest money in these factories?
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 9 November 2020 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Another story from the six-year TV series "Just about Ukraine will freeze and fall apart."

      No, everything is fine with them - especially after the Maidan. So what do you think?
      1. Avior
        Avior 9 November 2020 10: 48
        +5
        In my opinion, you need to soberly look at the world and evaluate it objectively and realistically. But this is so, empty, you are not interested ...
        1. IGOR GORDEEV
          IGOR GORDEEV 9 November 2020 12: 55
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          But this is so, empty, you are not interested ...

          Very interesting - you made the wrong conclusion :)
          1. Avior
            Avior 9 November 2020 12: 57
            +4
            According to your post, I made a conclusion ...
  17. Roman B_3
    Roman B_3 9 November 2020 14: 34
    -1
    Quote: Undecim
    only on the terms of Russia.
    This goes without saying.

    This will never happen, too many of our soldiers have died. Take Donbass for yourself and the ships dispersed like in the sea.
  18. Turanov
    Turanov 9 November 2020 21: 14
    -2
    The hope is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will methodically squeeze the republicans out of the borders of the former Ukraine in the same way as the Azerbaijanis do, and the Russians will look at this process with boredom in their eyes. The classic Ukrainian mantra about the imminent collapse of Russia and its incapacitated army in action.

    "Kotly" is what scares the Russophobes on all borders of Russia .. And the ominous silence of Russia!
    And the action cards for this or that type of development of situations have long been lying under sealing wax in safes and waiting for an order. soldier bully
    Do not anger Russia "brothers" and you will have temporary happiness .. Raging right under the whips of your masters. Have pity on your sons and mothers. We have nowhere to retreat, everything was given to you during the collapse of the USSR and even more .. What else are you missing? negative
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 November 2020 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: Turanov
      And the ominous silence of Russia!

      Scary, already terrible ...
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  19. vavilon
    vavilon 10 November 2020 17: 35
    0
    Unfortunately, Ukraine came from nowhere and will go nowhere, but in the 90s after she called the USSR, she had great prospects, but alas, human greed and greed ruined both the country and the people,
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