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Turkey responded to the refusal of Western countries to supply engines for UAV "Bayraktar"

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Turkey reacted to the actual sanctions imposed against its military-industrial complex by a number of Western countries.


Recall that such sanctions were not only the refusal of the United States to transfer previously contracted F-35 fighters to Ankara, but also the prohibition of Canada and other states to supply to Turkey aviation engines. In particular, we are talking about the ban on the supply of engines for the Bayraktar TB2 strike drones to Turkey.

Canada stated that "the use of attack drones by Turkey often goes beyond the framework of agreements in the NATO format." The use of "Bayraktars" in the Karabakh conflict was cited as an example.

In Turkey, they reacted rather harshly to such statements. Ankara said that if individual countries and companies are not going to fulfill contractual obligations, then in this case Turkey will switch to its own production of the necessary equipment and technology. At the same time, Western countries were accused of a policy of double standards. For example, it is indicated that there are countries in NATO that conduct military operations without coordination with other members of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Turkish Aerospace Industries representatives report that their company is ready for import substitution. In particular, the production of Turkish aircraft engines for the aforementioned unmanned aircraft will be carried out at TAI's facilities.

Turkish sources note that the UAVs with their own (Turkish) engines will receive a new designation - "Bayraktar TB3". It is noted that these will be medium-altitude multipurpose drones, which will have an increase in flight duration. This will be the Turkish response to the ban on foreign companies from supplying engines for UAVs to Ankara.
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  1. certero
    certero 1 November 2020 10: 12 New
    53
    They know how to puff their cheeks in the east. just once and literally tomorrow a plant for the production of engines will open.
    In reality, engines are the most difficult thing in airplanes.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 1 November 2020 10: 21 New
      46
      the most difficult thing is electronics, but it is not available to the Turks either.
      in fact, they simply assemble equipment from ready-made assemblies.
      their Altai tank is a simplified South Korean K2 black panther, their Attack helicopter is an Italian Mongoose, their Firtina self-propelled gun is the same South Korean K-9, their air defense system is a copy of the Stinger, and so on.
      its minuscule there, even the type of their fire control systems and linking these are the same clones of Western systems, often produced OUTSIDE Turkey, in Turkey they are only put in boxes.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 1 November 2020 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Dodikson
        the hardest part is electronics

        Not so clear
        The same China has long ago learned to rivet electronics.
        But engines for the J-20 have only recently begun to be made.
        And in Russia it is the opposite. They have been producing excellent engines for a long time.
        And all the more or less normal domestic electronics are overly expensive for the military, and even then a lot of imported units.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 1 November 2020 12: 14 New
          15
          in China they work many times more and harder than the Turks.
          moreover, that would not say but the Chinese are smarter than the Turks.
          and the problems with engines in the Chinese are only with jet engines.
          they have no problems with screw
          1. Stas Sv
            Stas Sv 1 November 2020 13: 28 New
            +3
            It's just strange why the external engines on the Shaanxi Y-8F are Ukrainian, and the internal Chinese ones ???
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 1 November 2020 17: 01 New
              +3
              Ukrainian may be better but more expensive.
              there can be many reasons, including the fact that the Chinese are not certified abroad
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 1 November 2020 21: 46 New
                +4
                Yes exactly. Ukraine will help. And the Turks will not stand up to the price, because Azerbaijan will pay.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 2 November 2020 04: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Dodikson
            and the problems with engines in the Chinese are only with jet engines.
            they have no problems with screw

            Reciprocating engines are not a problem because the USSR has shared the technology. The same HS-5, which is still being produced, is nothing more than Shvetsov ASh-62, which went to both the I-16 and the AN-2. And the ASh-82, which went to the LA-5 and MI-4, was also licensed to them, but not for money, but for "friendship forever", which Mao multiplied by zero in the late 1950s. The Chinese have always been able to copy, and to modify the file at the place too, but in order to create something themselves, this is not about them.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 2 November 2020 09: 36 New
              +7
              Khrushchev multiplied friendship forever. Mao did not forgive him for Stalin's murder.
        2. mvg
          mvg 1 November 2020 20: 35 New
          +1
          And in Russia it is the opposite. They have been producing excellent engines for a long time.

          How long ago? What did I miss? Military? Civilians?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 November 2020 10: 30 New
      27
      Quote: certero
      They know how to puff their cheeks in the east. just once and literally tomorrow a plant for the production of engines will open.

      The Turkish industry is well equipped in many areas and knows how to operate quickly. If anything, specialists will be attracted from Europe ... They know how to pay generously if necessary. So the deficit in these engines may well be overcome! In general, the Turkish military-industrial complex is developing rapidly. And they do optics, by the way. Of course, if they are "cut down" by such sanctions as Russia, their problems will be more serious ... And with "soft" sanctions - they will get out ...
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 1 November 2020 10: 34 New
        +4
        they don't know a damn thing.
        read how Altai was created and what difficulties it faced and how it stalled when the Deutsches blocked the supply of engines.
        1. smart fellow
          smart fellow 2 November 2020 05: 16 New
          -2
          The UAE is the first to launch a probe to Mars this year, beating 2 superpowers. They also don't know shit, but they launched a probe (the South Koreans probe, the Japanese rocket and the cosmodrome).
          The South Koreans have improved the engine. These are problems originally in K2 Black Panther. Will be sold to the Turks for a lot of money. With aircraft engines, Erdogan resolved the issue in Ukraine. For TV2 there are already Ukrainian engines of 450 hp, and for the improved Bayraktar, the Ukrainians will develop a more powerful engine.
          So, by the end of 2015, the Korean designers were able to create their own 27 horsepower DV1500K engine and the domestic EST15K automatic transmission for K2 tanks. The second batch of cars was to be produced with a fully South Korean configuration. However, during the tests, problems were revealed with the Korean transmission, which did not pass the test. In 2017, the production of K2 was stopped and postponed to 2019-2020. As a result, an intermediate version of the tank was chosen. The new cars were supposed to be equipped with Korean DV27K engines, while the transmission was to be replaced by the German Renk. During the tests of the tank, this configuration has demonstrated its viability.
          https://anna-news.info/k2-chernaya-pantera-importozameshhenie-po-korejski/
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 2 November 2020 07: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: smart fellow
            The UAE is the first to launch a probe to Mars this year, beating 2 superpowers. They also don't know shit, but they launched a probe (the South Koreans probe, the Japanese rocket and the cosmodrome).
            The South Koreans have improved the engine. These are problems originally in K2 Black Panther. Will be sold to the Turks for a lot of money. With aircraft engines, Erdogan resolved the issue in Ukraine. For TV2 there are already Ukrainian engines of 450 hp, and for the improved Bayraktar, the Ukrainians will develop a more powerful engine.
            So, by the end of 2015, the Korean designers were able to create their own 27 horsepower DV1500K engine and the domestic EST15K automatic transmission for K2 tanks. The second batch of cars was to be produced with a fully South Korean configuration. However, during the tests, problems were revealed with the Korean transmission, which did not pass the test. In 2017, the production of K2 was stopped and postponed to 2019-2020. As a result, an intermediate version of the tank was chosen. The new cars were supposed to be equipped with Korean DV27K engines, while the transmission was to be replaced by the German Renk. During the tests of the tank, this configuration has demonstrated its viability.
            https://anna-news.info/k2-chernaya-pantera-importozameshhenie-po-korejski/

            If something was launched to Mars back in the 60s
            1. smart fellow
              smart fellow 2 November 2020 07: 30 New
              +1
              United Arab Emirates the first this year launched a probe to Mars

              This means 2020.
              1. smart fellow
                smart fellow 2 November 2020 07: 46 New
                0
                There has been an unspoken competition between the Chinese and the Americans who will be the first to send a spacecraft to Mars this year.
              2. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 2 November 2020 08: 10 New
                0
                Quote: smart fellow
                United Arab Emirates the first this year launched a probe to Mars

                This means 2020.

                I beg you. What, now every year you have to be the first to launch to get a candy? Each country has its own program
                1. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 2 November 2020 09: 29 New
                  0
                  I just gave an example that even without a technical and scientific school, you can get the desired result if you have money and desire. It was originally about Turkey.
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 2 November 2020 10: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: smart fellow
                    I just gave an example that even without a technical and scientific school, you can get the desired result if you have money and desire. It was originally about Turkey.

                    Japan has been engaged in launches for a long time, so the experience has been gained. And a satellite or probe can be ordered in any space power or in the same Japan
      2. poquello
        poquello 1 November 2020 11: 04 New
        14
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        So the deficit in these engines may well be overcome!

        maybe they can, but it all takes time
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 1 November 2020 17: 17 New
          +6
          Do not forget that they signed an agreement with the Ukrainians on the joint construction of drones on the territory of 404. And the Canadians will not prohibit deliveries there. So the Turks will get the engines they need through this joint venture.
          1. poquello
            poquello 1 November 2020 18: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: volodimer
            Do not forget that they signed an agreement with the Ukrainians on the joint construction of drones on the territory of 404. And the Canadians will not prohibit deliveries there. So the Turks will get the engines they need through this joint venture.

            well .. if they don't sell the dill in a clean transit, and if the dill are collected like mortars, I don't mind at all
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 2 November 2020 00: 19 New
            0
            Quote: volodimer
            We must not forget that they signed an agreement with the Ukrainians on the joint construction of drones on the territory of 404.

            and joint there are just the engines that the motor will do, but as you correctly noted in the next post, "if the dill will be collected like mortars, I don't mind at all."
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 1 November 2020 12: 55 New
        -2
        The Turkish industry only knows how to shoot commercials. Now we will see its real capabilities when they will be left without imported components.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 2 November 2020 00: 23 New
          -2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Now we will see its real possibilities

          Duc already saw Altai. the engines failed request they also quarreled with the EU.
          by the way, why isn't anyone considering buying engines from Russia?
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 2 November 2020 07: 31 New
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Now we will see its real possibilities

            Duc already saw Altai. the engines failed request they also quarreled with the EU.
            by the way, why isn't anyone considering buying engines from Russia?

            Dimensions and pairing?
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 2 November 2020 10: 14 New
              -1
              Does Russia make sense to help Erdik? Uncle "went crazy" - friendship ends
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 2 November 2020 13: 28 New
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                Uncle "went crazy" - friendship ends

                was there a friendship? belay
                Well, the gas pipeline is not closed, the S-400 has not been withdrawn from support, and we continue to lobby for the new contract for the S-400 and the nuclear power plant is not closed wink Nothing personal just business wink And in fact, what's wrong with the fact that in Russia for Turkish money will develop the production of engines for UAVs? wink
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 2 November 2020 18: 56 New
                  -2
                  The gas pipeline is practically empty, the nuclear power plant is questionable. S - 400 I don't even know what the point was? About engines for "bayraktar", there is nothing transcendental - ordinary engines for ATVs (snowmobiles), I think Russia itself can do such
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 2 November 2020 20: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    About engines for "bayraktar", there is nothing transcendental - ordinary engines for ATVs (snowmobiles), I think Russia itself can do such

                    can. yes
                    what to sell to the Turks is a purely hypothetical assumption. not the fact that they will turn to us but we have no reason to refuse request we sell weapons to them and we are going to Iran and the Chinese and the Hindus. the arms market is a lucrative business ...
      4. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 1 November 2020 13: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        If anything, they will attract specialists from Europe ... They know how to pay generously, if necessary

        The problem is that it is not enough to be able to pay, you still have to have something to pay. And with this, the Turks are now all sad yes The recession, however, for the regulator with the currency is a little worse than not at all. yes The trade balance is purely negative, debt obligations have a junk rating, external debt is already under 150 yards, of which 23 are short-term, and the gold reserves are only 40, if not for 15 yards received not so long ago from Qatar ... How to pay then?
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 2 November 2020 10: 12 New
          -2
          There was information that the Turks have already agreed at 6% per annum in euros, but no one willing. It seems that the situation is not just bad, but very bad. At a more extortionate percentage, I took only Banderlyand, but apparently there were some guarantees of return, once they were given. And then apparently not.
      5. times
        times 1 November 2020 20: 49 New
        18
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Of course, if they are "cut down" by such sanctions as Russia, their problems will be more serious ... And with "soft" sanctions, they will get out.

        Therefore, it is unlikely that there will be tough sanctions. The Turks were "raised" by the whole world to confront Russia.
        1. bayard
          bayard 1 November 2020 22: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: mal
          The Turks were "raised" by the whole world to confront Russia.

          The Armenians were also raised by the whole world - they recognized the genocide, provoked at one time to seize Karabakh and supported in this, deployed their diaspora on the planet and strengthened it well financially ... And now Erdogan decided to break all this ... Plans for Great Armenia. ..
          Erdogan has a lot of shortcomings, many enemies ... But the Armenian issue is key for him - his main enemy and teacher - Gülen, an ethnic Armenian, although he not only headed the Pan-Turkist nationalist organization, but practically created it ... Gülen had completely different plans for the future of Turkey (it was revenge for the parents killed in the pogroms) ... In general, Erdogan had a snack for Armenians, and planners and owners of Armenians had a snack for Erdogan for interfering in their plans and unwillingness to die.
          So the Turks are guilty by definition.
          And sentenced.
          But the Turks would not be Turks if they guessed it.
    3. private person
      private person 1 November 2020 10: 33 New
      11
      literally tomorrow a plant for the production of engines will open.

      Or maybe the factory has already been built? Turks are not completely fools to make such statements.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 1 November 2020 12: 56 New
        -3
        Judging by what Erdogan is doing, I have a completely opposite opinion.
        1. private person
          private person 1 November 2020 18: 02 New
          +5
          Judging by what Erdogan is doing

          What does he do? He bends his line, does what he wants. And he is well aware of the consequences that follow from his actions and this does not scare him.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 1 November 2020 18: 03 New
            -8
            There is no logic in his actions - "the uncle went to hell"
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 1 November 2020 10: 33 New
      25
      They already have an engine in the series. Selzhuk just bought Rotaxes - they fit better for TV2 in its current form (weight / power) + cheaper.

      TAI uses its engines in the Anka-S UAV. Selzhuk will have the same - but this will require reworking part of the UAV to a minimum (the contours are slightly different + reinforce the structure), this option was swept away. Or make a new version of the UAV with a package of improvements - this was chosen back in 2019.



      Plus Rotax912 cannot be blocked. They are even sold on Alik. In fact, only Bayraktar was blocked. But for a string of light private jet Hurkus, a private company would easily buy a 912 from the manufacturer. If Turkey is banned, then Qatar, Ukraine, Pakistan remain. On which thread Musharaki or Ekolot will start to buy not 60 engines, but 90 engines each, the difference will be forwarded to Selzhuk with an extra charge. wink
      1. Liam
        Liam 1 November 2020 11: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        a private company will easily buy

        And they will run into secondary sanctions. How many such funny and easy schemes to bypass the sanctions were invented here on VO after 2014 or on SP-2 ... but something did not work out very well.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 1 November 2020 11: 12 New
          +1
          Cummins are still being installed on a number of vehicles for the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB wink ... Here Rotax912 is cummins.
          1. Liam
            Liam 1 November 2020 11: 14 New
            +8
            There can be no serious business and development on the smuggling sanctioning
            1. cost
              cost 1 November 2020 11: 35 New
              +9
              maybe - very easy - but with the support of the state
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 11: 23 New
            +2
            They also wrote that MAM-M is planned, logically it should be between MAM-C and MAM-L somewhere around 15 kg. If the infa about increasing the carrying capacity to 70 is correct, then these are 4 full-fledged bombs per board. That will seriously increase the capabilities of Bayraktar. And MAM-L with an increased range of up to 20-30 km is needed.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 1 November 2020 12: 58 New
        -2
        Do you consider yourself smarter than mattress makers end Co.?))))) If Erdogan is tired of them, they will devour him - it's only a matter of time.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 1 November 2020 13: 22 New
          +6
          Mattress toppers are not up to Turkey. They have their own problems above the roof. Plus, the Sultan cannot be displaced by impudence. As shown by the failed attempt. It is necessary to prepare an exemplary operation - this is time, money and consensus in the administration. So the Sultan is guaranteed to have another year of calm.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 1 November 2020 17: 57 New
            -6
            Since 2016, the situation has changed a lot, life for Turks is no longer so fun, so nothing is possible. Moreover, Erdogan himself does one stupidity after another
    5. iouris
      iouris 1 November 2020 10: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: certero
      ... just once and literally tomorrow they will open a plant for the production of engines.

      For this, the "President of the World" (Ze) was summoned to the Sultan. Ukraine "does not support" sanctions on Turkey "in conditions of aggression", and NATO "will keep its face."
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 53 New
        +9
        By the way, one more reason why they plan to collect Bayraktars in Ukraine is that it is not under sanctions and anything can be supplied there.
        1. iouris
          iouris 1 November 2020 12: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          you can supply anything there

          And from there!
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 1 November 2020 18: 00 New
          -2
          In the central building of the SBU, on Vladimirskaya 33, an entire floor has been given to the older brothers from Washington, so nothing can be hidden. Mattress toppers will "close their eyes" only if they need and exactly as much as they need. Then the command will follow: "Stop".
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 1 November 2020 13: 00 New
        +1
        The territory of the Banderlands is administered directly from the Washington Reich Chancellery. Therefore, if tomorrow an order is received: "Erdogan is a horseradish walrus, not engines"))) you can be sure that it will be executed instantly.
        1. bobba94
          bobba94 1 November 2020 16: 05 New
          +1
          With Motorsich it happened something like this. The Chinese bought and a controlling stake and took all the preparatory steps, and then an order from Washington and that's it, a bummer to the Chinese
    6. Genry
      Genry 1 November 2020 10: 55 New
      +8
      Quote: certero
      They know how to puff their cheeks in the east. just once and literally tomorrow a plant for the production of engines will open.

      Turks try to make engines themselves.
      https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/10/30/657431.html
      Plus, Ukraine wants to sell its engines to the Turks.
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 1 November 2020 11: 17 New
        11
        Quote: Genry
        Plus, Ukraine wants to sell its engines to the Turks.

        As far as is known, it is about turboprop engines from Zaporozhye.
        Piston engines like Rotax 912 are not made in Ukraine.
    7. TulaTokarev
      TulaTokarev 1 November 2020 11: 30 New
      0
      As far as I understand, these are the usual simple Rotax engines that Canadians put on ATVs and snowmobiles, it's easy to copy there, and any ATV owner does the maintenance himself.
    8. halpat
      halpat 1 November 2020 14: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: certero
      They know how to puff their cheeks in the east. just once and literally tomorrow a plant for the production of engines will open.
      In reality, engines are the most difficult thing in airplanes.

      motor bar me ?? winked
      kozgalktysh zhok ... wassat
    9. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 1 November 2020 19: 24 New
      +3
      We know how to inflate their cheeks too, and perhaps only inflate.
    10. ROMANO
      ROMANO 1 November 2020 19: 56 New
      0
      The turbojet engine is, indeed, an extremely complex and expensive product. The piston Rotax installed on drones is a completely different matter. Even if the Ottomans cannot copy and master production (with some deterioration in performance) at home, they may well buy similar engines in China. The Chinese deeply do not care who, what and for what purpose to sell, as long as they pay money.
      Even if nothing will work out with the Chinese, which is extremely unlikely, it is quite possible to purchase the same Rotaxes with ATVs, snowmobiles or jet skis. The price of a UAV in the millions of dollars will not be greatly affected.
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 4 November 2020 00: 32 New
        -1
        The Chinese deeply do not care who, what and for what purpose to sell, as long as they pay money.

        Yes, yes, ZTE and Huawei have already tried ... And now they have a sadness
    11. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 November 2020 21: 39 New
      0
      ICE will do quite well
  2. Maki maki
    Maki maki 1 November 2020 10: 12 New
    24
    The history of sanctions has already shown that they only accelerate import substitution.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 18 New
      +2
      Important technological components at Bayraktar

      In the first photo, you can see its electronics, smart batteries, motor parts, sensory parts, communication parts, flight control system, INS-GPS, automatic takeoff and landing systems, etc. Where everything is Turkish.
      In the second photo, these are new bayraktars with Turkish CATS optics from Aselsan. Let me remind you that CATS Aselsan has been initially installed since 2018 on ANKA-S. By the way, its visibility range, 25 km, against Wescam at 15 km. Here in the video you can see from the first minute how CATS developed by Turkish Aselsan looks like.
      3rd photo: Turkish engine for small and medium-sized UAVs called PD-170. Already new Anki from 2019 fly, on Turkish engines.

    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha 1 November 2020 10: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: Maki Maki
      The history of sanctions has already shown that they only accelerate import substitution.

      Only in case of readiness and availability of production facilities and scientific and engineering personnel.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 1 November 2020 12: 35 New
        +4
        In Turkey, there seems to be no problem with this. There are capacities and their own engineers.
    3. iouris
      iouris 1 November 2020 10: 50 New
      +1
      Yes, they will be given everything - do not worry.
    4. Elturisto
      Elturisto 1 November 2020 11: 22 New
      +1
      Yes, they accelerate where in another universe. They just took it and after 30 years of balabolism and replaced everything.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 November 2020 08: 35 New
        0
        Nothing just happens. They had access to many technologies without sanctions. We bought licenses, mastered them. Something similar the Russian Federation did with the UAV Outpost (Surcher)
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 2 November 2020 10: 26 New
          0
          Turkey that had a developed aerospace industry? UAVs in the USSR, "Pchela" for example, were supplied to the CA-1988 and the engines themselves were produced.
          Are they so approved that soon you will compare with Papuan?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 November 2020 12: 45 New
            0
            The main thing is that they would not uncover us in local conflicts as the Papuans ...
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 13 New
    -1
    Info from one of the channels:

    Bayraktar TB-2 will be even more attractive. The Turkish company Baykar Makina will soon finish a new modification of the Bayraktar TB-2:
    • Upgraded optics. Previously, Bayraktar TB-2 used Canadian Wescam optics for 15 km of visibility. But now Turkish optics from the famous Turkish Aselsan CATS will be built in there at 25 km (like other Turkish UAVs: Anka, Akinci and Aksungurom), which will improve visibility in difficult weather conditions earlier Aselsan could not install CATS on the TB-2 model from - for its mass. But recently, Aselsan completed his new CATS version for TB-2. Plus, the new version of the TB-2 will have an increased carrying capacity. Aselsan has experience in the production of optics. For 20 years, all Turkish F-16 and Turkish ATAK attack helicopters are equipped with Turkish optics. Now Bayraktar will see the same as Anki-S.
    • A satellite communications system will be built, that is, it will be possible to control the UAV from anywhere in the world (though it depends on the power of satellite communications from the country itself). And the 150 km limit will be resolved automatically.
    • And for those who do not have such military satellite communications, then the range of Bayraktara TB-2 will be increased for them from the current 150 km, to 300 km distance from the control center), which will significantly complicate finding a control center over Bayraktara.
    • Its maximum speed will be increased (at the moment, the maximum speed is 222 km) thanks to the new Turkish PD-170 engine, which is more powerful than the same Rotax. We do not know how much km will be increased, but rather somewhere up to 270 km.
    • The payload will also be increased, but how much is not yet known (if you believe some rumors, from 55 kg to 70-75 kg).
    • At the level of rumors. Flight altitude from 7 km will rise to 8 km.
    • New mini rocket MAM-L.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 14 New
      -1
      Another news, but from the Turkish company Roketsan. The well-known and popular ultra-precise mini missiles MAM-L and MAM-C will be upgraded. MAM-L Blok-2 will be released soon and one of its advantages is that the range will be increased and its power of destruction will be increased.

      The new version of Bayraktar TB-2 is likely to keep the same price. For export, its price is about 4-5 million dollars. For the Turkish domestic market, it will cost $ 2 million.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 1 November 2020 10: 30 New
        +3
        This already looks more like spam, and not like posts with TTX laughing
        We don't need to advertise Turkish drones, a tomato for our eyes
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 1 November 2020 10: 31 New
        +2
        Then why does the bayraktar go for export at 70 million per control station and 6 UAVs?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 43 New
          +1
          2 or 3 control stations (or sets), simulators, bombs, training + bashish
          In total, under the agreement, the Ukrainian military received six drones, two (according to other sources - three) ground control stations and related equipment, including simulators. Also earlier, the Ukrainian side announced the supply of ammunition (200 missiles) for drones in accordance with the agreement. In addition, in Turkey at the end of September this year, 50 military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who were trained in the use and maintenance of Turkish-made drones completed their training.

          A complex of 6 UAVs looks like this:
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 November 2020 10: 44 New
          +4
          Probably a descendant that the kit comes with the armament of 6 drones for 30 lemons, plus weapons, control points and plus all the necessary service equipment. So 70 million are running up.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 56 New
            +1
            Again, the contract was not seen, that there is supplied we know only from words.
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 1 November 2020 10: 26 New
      12
      all that will improve the bayraktar is just new modules that they will also buy from the West.
      where in Turkey do optics better than Canadians?
      they stupidly buy lenses and put on their crafts,
      the Turks have never produced satellite equipment, therefore, also Western,
      the only thing that interested me was the new engines,
      engines for UAVs with a small mass are not complex products, and if they give money, even Mongolia will be able to produce them, but it is the Turkish engine that is of interest, I admit that they will be able to produce it and perhaps even design, seeing all the novelties of the Turks, then it seems to me that the engine will be Turkish only by the name.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 29 New
        -7

        Seljuk Bayraktar announced Bayraktar TB-3!

        Selcuk Bayraktar has just shared a new video on his Twitter account of him testing a domestically produced aircraft engine from the Turkish company TEI and these engines for Akinci and Bayraktar TB-3!

        It is the highest performing aircraft engine in its class in the world, Selcuk added.

        Recall that the Turkish company TEI has already developed engines for small and medium-sized UAVs called PD-170 and they will soon release the local PD-222 aircraft engine.

        By the way, on the same heavy UAV Aksungur, which flew for 49 hours without interruption, a Turkish aircraft engine from TEI is installed there.

        Stating that the test images were taken a month ago, Bayraktar noted that the engine tested was not a prototype, but a mass-produced engine.

        Bayraktar also shared with another data on Bayraktar TB-2, stating that those bans that are being made will not affect the production of TB-2 as it was before.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 32 New
        -9
        Quote: Dodikson
        all that will improve the bayraktar is just new modules that they will also buy from the West.

        They say that they did not catch theirs by the hand.
        Quote: Dodikson
        where in Turkey do optics better than Canadians?
        they stupidly buy lenses and put on their crafts,

        They wrote that they set up the production of lenses and matrices themselves, about 15 years ago.

        I can’t look for a confirmation yet, I posted the data from the channel's telegrams.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 1 November 2020 10: 48 New
          10
          optics optics strife. really sensible lenses do in fact only 3 countries are able. USA, Germany and Russia.
          Yes, and Russia began to do it again relatively recently, Shvab toiled for 10 years while he mastered their release. also good lenses are made in China, but everything that they do goes to their internal consumption and, in terms of quality, they are inferior to those that I described above. and even Canadians don’t use their own lenses but sell them in the states. that is why Canadians have blocked engines for bayraktars. because the Armenian diaspora in the United States put pressure on Canadian firms through lens manufacturers.
          here below we already wrote about matrices for thermal imagers, but for UAVs this is a paragraph how important it is, and I have never read about Turkish thermal imagers.
          engines, I admit that they can make their own. since these are screw engines that already during the Second World War they wanted to change to jet engines.
          that is, they are not particularly difficult either in development or in production.
          Moreover, the Turks could stupidly buy documentation for some kind of engine and produce it at home.
          but electronics is not their forte. and optics as well.
          I admit that they can put their optics. because even bad optics is better than without it at all, but I don’t believe that it would be better than a Canadian one.
          except that the Canadians got them and vparivali some kind of bullshit.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 1 November 2020 12: 12 New
            +4
            really sensible lenses do in fact only 3 countries are able. USA, Germany and Russia.

            Belarus has been forgotten. They also know how to make optics. And I talked to our "Shvabe" several years ago - a snickering office. As well as LZOS.
          2. gsev
            gsev 1 November 2020 12: 50 New
            -2
            Quote: Dodikson
            optics optics strife. really sensible lenses do in fact only 3 countries are able. USA, Germany and Russia.

            The quality of optics is largely determined by the diligence of girls who, sitting for 8 hours on a conveyor belt with special lighting, find and reject foreign inclusions in a stream of quartz sand. I will assume that Turkish, Syrian and Azeri women in Turkey are ready to do this, and in Russia not only Russians, but also ladies from Central Asia and the Caucasus will not agree to such work. Calculation and production technology of lenses is the 19th century. It is enough to read old textbooks and with the help of Matkad or even Excel write a calculation program for optics. The technology of infrared devices in the early 1990s was published in Ukrainian magazines such as Radiomator. In this country, censorship did not punish the publication of literature on military technology. Therefore, there are craftsmen who will be able to establish production of matrices for thermal imagers and electronics. In principle, technical solutions used, for example, in Soviet missile attack warning stations, before their implementation, designers often looked for in Radiomator.
            1. musketon64
              musketon64 1 November 2020 15: 45 New
              +4
              "The quality of optics is largely determined by the diligence of girls who, sitting for 8 hours on a conveyor belt with special lighting, find and reject foreign inclusions in a stream of quartz sand. I assume that Turkish, Syrian and Azeri women in Turkey are ready to do this, and not only Russians in Russia, but ladies from Central Asia and the Caucasus will not agree to such work either. "
              ----------------------
              A strange message. Where did you get the idea that you would not agree? At "Shvab" who do you think is doing this. Have you brought Turkish women with Azerbaijanis? Now it is not the 19th century and I will assume the same that in modern production facilities, for example, at "Karl Zeiss", this thankless job was entrusted to computers that receive images from optical sensors. Moreover, they can do this work without getting tired around the clock, and not 8 hours, and they will do this work much better.

              "Therefore, there are craftsmen who will be able to establish production of matrices for thermal imagers and electronics."
              --------------------------------------------------
              On your knee or what? There are enough "craftsmen" everywhere. Only in order to set up the production of products, proven technologies and high-tech equipment are needed to produce products with stable characteristics. In Soviet times, the "craftsmen" invented a lot of things "ahead of time", but they could not start production for the same reasons. Not everything is so easy and simple. Otherwise, these matrices for thermal imaging cameras were produced by all and sundry. How many countries have the latest generation of matrix technology? Probably the fingers of one hand are enough. As well as countries with technologies for the production of blades for aircraft engine turbines (Ukraine among them). Or can you read the same thing in Radiomator?
            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 1 November 2020 19: 07 New
              +4
              The quality of optics is largely determined by the diligence of the girls who sit for 8 hours on the conveyor

              No, technicians polish glass with rags and mops :)
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 21: 45 New
          0
          UAV today ...... VIPs gutted
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 21: 49 New
            0
            Yeah, a video of the Su-25 was released there.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 21: 51 New
              0
              Su-25? ..........
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 21: 52 New
                0
                Yeah. In the video description.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 1 November 2020 21: 57 New
                  0
                  PPTs. Now I saw. Is this Pashinyan thinking about?
                2. atalef
                  atalef 1 November 2020 22: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  Yeah. In the video description.

                  I watch the latest videos. they practically cannot stand the equipment (they probably destroyed the bulk) - they switched to groups of soldiers.
                  Generally scary - like in a shooting gallery.
                  Armenia has already lost the war, morally so for sure. Well, how many more twitch?
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 22: 07 New
                    0
                    It's like with covid, a question for politicians. This is not a medical or military issue for a long time. 2-3 weeks ago, the Armenians had to admit defeat and give up the captured territory with the autonomy of Karabakh.
      3. musketon64
        musketon64 1 November 2020 10: 36 New
        +4
        And where do they get the matrices for thermal imagers? I strongly doubt that we did it ourselves.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 1 November 2020 10: 59 New
          +8
          Quote: musketone64
          And where do they get the matrices for thermal imagers? I strongly doubt that we did it ourselves.

          stuck on the net, I can't vouch for the reliability:
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 November 2020 08: 38 New
            +1
            The sanctions could not have reached the matrices yet ... How many sights have we produced with the Belarusians with French matrices?
      4. MrFox
        MrFox 1 November 2020 10: 58 New
        +3
        Mongolia can and we? Probably not everything is so simple with engines for UAVs
      5. Elturisto
        Elturisto 1 November 2020 11: 23 New
        -3
        And on Orions in the Russian Federation, where do engines and lenses buy? Or all their spirit-lifting?
      6. Thorvlobnor IV
        Thorvlobnor IV 1 November 2020 11: 50 New
        +3
        This is called "achieving success along the path of least resistance." Additional benefit: Western-trained, valuable engineering personnel work in Turkey and pay taxes there.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 November 2020 08: 36 New
      0
      Rapid sales await him:
      1. There is advertising
      2. Muslim manufacturer
      3. Localization in Turkey
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 1 November 2020 10: 15 New
    +4
    Produce piston engines for UAVs with an appropriate production base is quite a feasible task. This is not a turbojet engine with a variable thrust vector. And even more so for minidrones ... a model constructor to help. It is more difficult to make avionics, but it is not discussed in the sanctions
    1. gsev
      gsev 1 November 2020 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Konnick
      Produce piston engines for UAVs with an appropriate production base is quite a feasible task.

      In the USSR, nothing fundamentally new after M2 Mikulin and M11 Shvetsov was created. I doubt that the modern aircraft engine industry in Russia will be able to reproduce anything on the basis of these engines suitable for drones. In the late 1990s, a Russian firm contracted to create a Wankel aircraft engine and a dry air compressor for Koreans. It seems that the drawings were made with nominal dimensions. It seems that specialists who are able to correctly select the correct tolerances and landings for this engine and write the technology for its production could not be found in Russia. The optimal design of such a technique was developed by the chief designer Marks, who worked with Korolev. Koreans or Russians considered that he asked a lot for his work (the price of a multi-room apartment in the center of Moscow). Therefore, an attempt was made to get away from his patents and create an alternative project for the same money. Interesting things happened in the calculations of this project. According to the initial mathematical calculations, it turned out that the compressor efficiency was about 250%. Of course, this was an error caused by incorrect construction of the mathematical model of the project. I think that the modern production of drones and aircraft engines for them in Russia is faced with similar incidents.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 1 November 2020 14: 30 New
        +4
        We no longer have a base. Wankeli was once made for Zhiguli in small series in the 70s. When it comes to the defense industry, engine building should be the most important element. The motor is the heart of any combat vehicle, from aircraft to ships.
        There is a saying among aviators - With a good engine, the fence will fly.
        The T-34 tank took place largely because of the B2 diesel engine. The T-50 fighter has not yet taken place due to the engine.
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 2 November 2020 10: 22 New
        0
        There are prototypes https://okbm.ru/products.php?type = 1 (40 forces opposed with a gearbox) in Voronezh, after M-11 was created M-14, and then M-9, for example. Do not order because they dance under German and Jewish duda. The Austrians still need to suck up to the Austrians, they distribute 30% of European gas supplies.
  5. prior
    prior 1 November 2020 10: 16 New
    +5
    Another goal is outlined. The coordinates of the Turkish plant for the production of engines for UAVs should be noted and put on the map ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 1 November 2020 10: 27 New
      +8
      How many of these goals are there in the world? To fight with everyone in the district ?! With our capabilities?
      1. prior
        prior 1 November 2020 10: 56 New
        +2
        Dmitry. Did I write to fight? I wrote to take aim.
        And after Trump withdrew from all the limitation treaties, nothing limits us in the number of missiles and warheads either.
        War is not so much a confrontation between armies as a confrontation between economies.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 1 November 2020 12: 11 New
          0
          Quote: prior
          War is not so much a confrontation between armies as a confrontation between economies

          Are you saying that our economy is the strongest?
          All together?
          Are you suggesting that everyone be targeted?
          I doubt that we have enough scopes for all targets.
          1. prior
            prior 1 November 2020 12: 49 New
            +2
            Enough of the backbone. For example, turn off the city sewer ...
            Imagine the consequences. laughing
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 1 November 2020 14: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: prior
              Enough of the backbone. For example, turn off the city sewer ...
              Imagine the consequences. laughing

              Americans usually "turn off" the electricity. After that, everything rises, including the sewer.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 1 November 2020 18: 59 New
          -2
          Now, that's what I mean. The war of economies, which we are pulling at the moment, by no means.
  6. Klingon
    Klingon 1 November 2020 10: 17 New
    +2
    Okay, this is while the engines were. what about other components? The turret optics are on the drone, however, from the Canadian Wescam. if they get pissed off, then the Turks will have to insert glasses from glasses wassat
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 10: 20 New
      -5
      I wrote above, it will be from Aselsan. They are doing Anka and Aksungur.
    2. Avior
      Avior 1 November 2020 10: 22 New
      -2
      They have already written there, the new version will have Turkish optics
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 1 November 2020 10: 27 New
    +3
    Engines of the Rotax type are very common in the EU, so buying an analogue will not be difficult. They will make it themselves, but with electronic components it will be more difficult.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 1 November 2020 10: 28 New
    +3
    The Sultan was preparing! He just carefully looked at everything that was happening in the world, made the right conclusions and did the right things!
    Shaw say 5+ to him for his "homework".
    Whoever wants to give not so pleasant marks, everyone already knows!
  9. basmach
    basmach 1 November 2020 10: 30 New
    +7
    The Turks can and will produce their own optics. The whole question is from what. It is unlikely that they learned how to make lenses - the process is complex and painstaking. Collect, yes. So it is with the rest. There is assembly - there is no production of components.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 10: 48 New
      +3
      The Turks already have everything - their only problem in the military is the engines for tanks, electronic components for assembling the necessary equipment, as they will now order in Taiwan.
  10. Operator
    Operator 1 November 2020 10: 37 New
    -13 qualifying.
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - buy "Bayraktary" am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 November 2020 10: 53 New
      +6
      Fuck Russia needs it there are Orions, Kungas, Hunters are developing Thunder - a few days ago the first set of reconnaissance shock Orions entered service and the line of ammunition for them has been created from laser-guided bombs to air-to-ground missiles.
    2. V1er
      V1er 1 November 2020 10: 53 New
      +4
      What for? Free can be obtained in Syria and Armenia. Many of these have landed there. It is necessary to study and copy.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 November 2020 10: 42 New
    +7
    In Turkey, they reacted rather harshly to such statements.
    Recently, this is the only way Turkey reacts to everything that concerns its foreign policy and demonstratively shows its absolute independence. Sooner or later, this feigned harshness will play a cruel joke with Erdogan. As for our aircraft engines - wait and see.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 November 2020 10: 55 New
      +3
      They are working on the program to create their 5th generation fighter .... what they can do, we'll see, but to discount and laugh at their plans is a big mistake !!!
      They were also going to create a channel parallel to the Bosphorus and this is very, very interesting!
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 1 November 2020 11: 18 New
        +3
        and laugh at their plans, a big mistake !!!
        And no one was going to laugh, tk. real threats to the interests of our country are already visible.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 November 2020 11: 44 New
          +2
          Opinions are different, from just neighing over the actions of the Sultan, to well-founded fears.
          I think that just observing is not reasonable, you need to carry out any actions, to look after your own interests.
  12. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 1 November 2020 10: 52 New
    10
    Actually, this is the right decision and not only for Turkey. The country's defense should not depend on foreign suppliers.
  13. AB
    AB 1 November 2020 10: 57 New
    -8
    The land of hucksters is trying to jump out of their pants, proving how cool and technologically advanced it is. But in fact, all their attempts are a screwdriver assembly. By the way, just like us ...
    1. Rubina
      Rubina 1 November 2020 11: 00 New
      -5
      Well, well, the Armenians also said so about Azerbaijanis that we only know how to trade in tomatoes.
      1. AB
        AB 2 November 2020 14: 31 New
        +1
        It is interesting and how did you attribute Azerbaijan to Turkey? The article is about Turkey and my post about it. Or did some representatives of Azerbaijanis recognize the supremacy of Turkey over themselves?
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub 1 November 2020 11: 02 New
    +3
    Turkish sources note that UAVs with their own (Turkish) engines

    These "Turkish" engines will have roots from the Motor Sich plant, Ukraine and Turkey are actively cooperating in the UAV field, so the Turks still have a head start.
    1. askort154
      askort154 1 November 2020 11: 13 New
      -2
      Lesorub ..... These "Turkish" engines will have roots from the Motor Sich plant,
    2. Vovk
      Vovk 1 November 2020 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Lesorub
      These "Turkish" engines will have roots from the Motor Sich plant, Ukraine and Turkey are actively cooperating in the UAV field, so the Turks still have a head start.

      A huge form, cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey has intensified over the past 4 years ... they even pushed the Chinese in many areas.
      Many write that without optics for UAVs, they are khan, and that they are buying them in Canada, which, in turn, buys from the USA, which in turn buys ... drum roll attention ... in Russia (Hello LOMO).
      I do not argue that China has done a lot in terms of the development of the optical industry, but you are still far from the world quality standards in the military sphere ... therefore, real optics, and not local self-indulgence ... the Chinese military orders ... attention drum roll ... in Ukraine.
      And since many have noticed that Ukraine is now not included in more than one military bloc, the Turks for the first time will buy "their" UAVs with Ukrainian engines.
      And now about Nagorno-Karabakh ... since Soviet times, the KGB of the USSR has been closely engaged in it and this was due to the illegal extraction and sale of minerals, including precious metals. Then you will see there among the dividing natural resources of Nagorno-Karabakh not only Turks, but also Israel and China ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 14: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Vovk
        Turks, but also Israel and China

        Without China. Karabakh is very rich and exactly what modern industry needs. Gold is both uranium and platinum and rare earth metals.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 1 November 2020 11: 10 New
    +2
    So the Big Fez started talking about import substitution. laughing
  16. askort154
    askort154 1 November 2020 11: 33 New
    +3
    Lesorub .....These "Turkish" engines will have roots from the Motor Sich plant, Ukraine and Turkey are actively cooperating in the UAV field, so the Turks still have a head start.

    Quite right. Turkey insured itself after the US "courtesies" about the S-400. Realized that their "successful UAV", the United States at any moment "cut its wings."
    Therefore, I went to a "corporation" with Ukraine - their engines and cheap "screwdriver" assembly. They just didn’t take into account that Ukraine would easily refuse the deal as soon as the US Ambassador frowned. And this is despite the fact that Turkey is already allocating aid to Ukraine for "defense" in the amount of 200 mln. din. (36 million dollars). hi
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 1 November 2020 12: 24 New
      +3
      Ukraine in spite of the States and the EU will supply engines to the Turks? Sorry, but this will not happen for sure
      1. askort154
        askort154 1 November 2020 12: 31 New
        +4
        Igor Semenov ....Ukraine in spite of the States and the EU will supply engines to the Turks? Sorry, but this will not happen for sure

        Actually, I have it written - ".... Ukraine will easily abandon the deal as soon as the US Ambassador frowns. " hi
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 1 November 2020 14: 05 New
          0
          I have seen hi , but I think it will not come to a frown. Turn on the back sooner
  17. TulaTokarev
    TulaTokarev 1 November 2020 11: 40 New
    +2
    In general, it is strange that some kind of Turkey, which has been creepy for a year already, has not left the front pages with its drones, such an aircraft building power has appeared, even the cunning Israelis never dreamed of such advertising!
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 1 November 2020 13: 11 New
      0
      Exclusively due to the fact that they got into all possible conflicts around. Using drones against unprepared forces
      1. TulaTokarev
        TulaTokarev 1 November 2020 16: 20 New
        +4
        Yes, we also got into all the conflicts around, but there is no such effect. We drive the same unprepared barmaley in Syria with 50 million cars (in dollars), with fabulous expenses per hour of flight. And here is a maize operator with an ATV engine, and the effect is much greater, its price is a couple of million and there are no risks and costs too, even the operator of the "DB member" can not be appropriated and then paid for life.
  18. Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 1 November 2020 11: 52 New
    +4
    Turkish sources note that the UAVs with their own (Turkish) engines will receive a new designation - "Bayraktar TB3". It is noted that these will be medium-altitude multipurpose drones, which will have an increase in flight duration. This will be the Turkish response to the ban on foreign companies from supplying engines for UAVs to Ankara.


    Will they master Canadian optics? Something I doubt
  19. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 1 November 2020 12: 16 New
    +6
    The Turks have been training aviation engineers for 25 years. Several years ago I talked to them - they are literate guys. It is very good that our cooperation with them in this area has ceased, we cannot now transfer our developments to them.
    1. askort154
      askort154 1 November 2020 13: 33 New
      +5
      Aviator_ The Turks have been training aviation engineers for 25 years. Several years ago I talked to them - they are literate guys

      The same, for many years I regularly visited Turkey. Turks "3-deshniks" are not worse than the Chinese. In the light industry they have long been perfectly copying leather goods, etc. - the best European brands, purchasing their machines and patterns. Today, the sensational UAV "Bayrakbar" in the world was developed by the Turkish company "Bayrakbar Makina", founded in 1984, and specializing in the production of auto equipment. creation of AI systems. hi
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 1 November 2020 14: 19 New
        0
        The main thing is that the Bayraktar TB2 + MAM-L complex has been created, now they are creating the Bayraktar TB3 + MAM-M complex. Without these bombs, Bayraktar would not have been effective. A very budget (10-15 times cheaper) answer to the Predator + helfair combination, with practically the same efficiency.
  20. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 1 November 2020 12: 21 New
    +3
    Create a left-handed company outside Turkey for growing tomatoes with the founder of a citizen of this country somewhere in Mozambique or Madagascar and buy engines for tomato harvesters. Many options have been invented to bypass the sanctions.
  21. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 1 November 2020 12: 23 New
    +4
    If it were possible to produce engines ourselves, they would have been producing them long ago. The engine of a shock drone is not to screw a motor to a moped.
  22. Kent0001
    Kent0001 1 November 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    Cool, if they really will produce the motor themselves in half a year ....... we can only envy. We planned to install a German diesel engine in our drone ... but there is still no domestic replacement ...
  23. vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 1 November 2020 12: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: certero
    In the east they know how to puff their cheeks.

    In this, they have no equal. Do not forget to pretend to be important.
  24. Albay
    Albay 1 November 2020 12: 54 New
    +2
    Mountain shooter, you speak absolutely right.
    The engine has already been developed and put into operation for its drones.
    https://youtu.be/NzQJOqm4uVM
  25. Tugarin
    Tugarin 1 November 2020 14: 08 New
    16
    Turkey is now cooperating with Ukraine. This also makes itself felt.
  26. svoit
    svoit 1 November 2020 15: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    Ukraine will easily abandon the deal as soon as the US ambassador frowns "

    And why would he scowl them? The United States itself does not supply it with its own hands, and for the sake of appearance it may stop, and the allies are completely "independent", especially since they are acting for the benefit of the United States, creating problems for Russia.
  27. Old26
    Old26 1 November 2020 15: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: prior
    in the number of missiles and warheads, we are also not limited.

    Nothing can limit the number of BGs, but restrictions on the number of missiles ...
  28. safar gafarov
    safar gafarov 1 November 2020 16: 08 New
    +1
    our answer to curzon!))))))
  29. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 1 November 2020 16: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: Dodikson
    the most difficult thing is electronics, but it is not available to the Turks either.
    in fact, they simply assemble equipment from ready-made assemblies.
    their Altai tank is a simplified South Korean K2 black panther, their Attack helicopter is an Italian Mongoose, their Firtina self-propelled gun is the same South Korean K-9, their air defense system is a copy of the Stinger, and so on.
    its minuscule there, even the type of their fire control systems and linking these are the same clones of Western systems, often produced OUTSIDE Turkey, in Turkey they are only put in boxes.

    That's how everyone started, my dear. The same Chinese, copying the original Russian military products, achieved a good result. The rise of the Japanese car industry began with American copies, Korean with Japanese copies, and Chinese with conceptual copying of Korean (mostly) popular models, but the Chinese auto industry somewhat spoiled this tradition with its not the highest quality.
    1. SHAH
      SHAH 2 November 2020 20: 11 New
      0
      The main thing is not to steal as in Russia, but experience and everything you need will come to do.
  30. pereselenec
    pereselenec 1 November 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    in this case, Turkey will switch to its own production of the necessary equipment and technology.


    Flag in hand.
  31. Ganja
    Ganja 1 November 2020 19: 06 New
    0
    Please be a little real, come down to earth. Capitalism is in the courtyard, this Canadian company is not so stupid that it will make competitors for itself, and even give up on real money some kind of Karabakh. Capitalism, and in the military-industrial complex, this is not a soviet state acceptance for you, asks a godfather to do something or arrange a deficit
  32. xomaNN
    xomaNN 1 November 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    It is these sanctions that will push the Turks into the arms of the Ukrainian ... dvigatelists "Motor Sich" .. They are already doing similar ones little by little. Too bad it will keep them afloat ...
    1. bar
      bar 2 November 2020 16: 55 New
      0
      It is these sanctions that will push the Turks into the arms of the Ukrainian ... engine operators "Motor Sich"

      Too late to rush. Dvigatelists from Motor Sich have long gone to Russia and China.
  33. bar
    bar 2 November 2020 16: 52 New
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    if individual countries and companies are not going to fulfill contractual obligations, then in this case, Turkey will switch to its own production of the necessary equipment and machinery

    A tailwind in a humpbacked back. Let them try their own production. It is not for them to assemble "Lego" from ready-made bricks.
  34. SHAH
    SHAH 2 November 2020 20: 09 New
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    Well done, we need to develop our technologies where it is vital.