Estonian army began rearmament with new automatic rifles

The Estonian army began rearmament with new American-made automatic rifles. According to the portal thefirearmblog.com, LMT Defense has confirmed the start of deliveries to Estonia of new assault rifles and grenade launchers.

As the company explained, the Estonian Ministry of National Defense in 2019 chose automatic rifles of the LMT MARS (Modular Ambidextrous Rifle System) family - MLCPS chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45 mm and CQBMWS chambered for NATO 7,62 x as its new assault rifles 51 mm. In addition, M203 grenade launchers were purchased.

The fact that Estonia received the first batch of new automatic rifles produced by the American company Lewis Machine & Tool Company (LMT) was reported in July this year. The first batch consisted of 1500 rifles, which received the official Estonian designation R20 Rahe, of which 1250 R20 Rahe automatic rifles in the standard version, 250 TA-R20 rifles in the "sniper" version and 70 40 mm M203 grenade launchers.

The first presentation of the new weapons took place on July 22 at the military training ground in Männiku.

The R20 Rahe standard rifle is an LMT MLCPS rifle chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45mm, and the TA-R20 is an LMT CQBMWS rifle chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51mm. The first to receive the new rifles will be the Scoutspataljon of the 1st Infantry Brigade of the Estonian Army, stationed in Tapa. Then the 1st and 2nd Infantry Brigades will be fully equipped with rifles. It is planned to equip the Kaistaleit (people's militia), police, border guards and units of the Estonian Ministry of Justice with new weapons.

According to the contract signed in 2019, the Estonian army will receive 16 automatic rifles in 5,56 and 7,62 mm calibers. The cost of the contract is $ 75 million.

Automatic rifles MLCPS (chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45 mm) and CQBMWS (chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51 mm) are variations of the widely used Stoner AR family, but with a patented upper receiver made of a single monolithic structure aluminum, which provides its increased rigidity.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, do not understand.

[ssergey1978]

What do you order them to do? Live right away with your hands up? A small country also needs weapons and preferably good

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Pessimist22

The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, do not understand

[dr.star75]

and will it last for a long time?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dr.star75

and will it last for a long time?

Until the batteries run out ...

All this has already been seen ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dr.star75

and will it last for a long time?

And they are Estonians, unless they are going to fight with someone.

[nnm]

Well, judging by the statements of their authorities - even as they gathered

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Well, judging by the statements of their authorities - even as they gathered

Yes, the authorities are politicians with fluttering language.

[Senka naughty]

Of the Tribals in history, only the Litvins sometimes kicked, Estonians and Latvians always met all conquerors with bread and salt, probably only for this they still exist.

[mitroha]

Quote: ssergey1978

What do you order them to do? Live right away with your hands up? A small country also needs weapons and preferably good

And who is attacking them? That is, in principle, who needs them. Explain to me, please. But you don't need to talk about the Russian military, okay (although this is also another question - how will new automatic rifles help their army in an arch-hypothetical attack on them by Russia ) This is even without considering the fact that they are in NATO

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Mitroha

And who is attacking them? That is, in principle, who needs them.

Basically, who needs them [...]. I successfully understood your idea, Alex? ..

Like that "elusive Joe -" but who the hell needs him "....

[mitroha]

In no case, this is punishable by VO rules. A typo, just a typo, and cannot be changed

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Mitroha

And who is attacking them? That is, in principle, who needs them. Explain to me please

How is it? All sorts of "peacekeeping" contingents, etc. - there tribals climb crazy and memory, if only Big Brother would praise. And there - yes, sometimes the shooter may come in handy

[Kerensky]

formations of the Estonian Ministry of Justice.

Maybe they have 16.000 bailiffs. And the bailiff without a vintar with a grenade launcher, no matter how it counts ...

[iouris]

Quote: ssergey1978

What do you order them to do? Live right away with your hands up?

Who is preparing to attack them? Maybe they are preparing to attack? And if they attack, then the weapon will not help them.

[user1212]

Quote: iouris

Who is preparing to attack them?

Own population. How long will the "Baltic lions" hold out if the people start "Maidan"? As you know, if the authorities defend themselves with Russian weapons, then it is tyrants who stifle democracy, and if the American ones, it is terrorists who are rowdy and trying to remove a democratic government.

Quote: iouris

Maybe they are preparing to attack?

Again, the only ones they can attack are their own population.

[Finches]

Seryozha, how much are you selling your homeland for?

[Tugarin]

It's not so scary with a weapon. And for an Estonian, NATO weapons are generally a talisman.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ssergey1978

What do you order them to do? Live right away with your hands up? A small country also needs weapons and preferably good

An ideal option for a small country, the longest possible preservation of neutral status, because in the event of a cut between large countries, nothing will help it, especially some rifles. I do not think that the option of raised arms with LMT MARS (Modular Ambidextrous Rifle System) rifles clamped in them - MLCPS chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45 mm and CQBMWS chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51 mm, is somehow preferable than the option of simply raised hands. By the way, the second option gives more opportunities for the greatest preservation of the lives of citizens of a small state.
With a neutral status in peacetime, a small country has a great opportunity to "milk" all the opposing sides and provide itself with a sufficiently high standard of living, simply playing on conflicting interests and praying that there would be no war. In the event of a war, a small country simply becomes a military training ground. Estonia with a population of 1,3 million people (including women, children and pensioners), of which 24,7% of the population are Russian-speaking, is still a "tough nut to crack" if you consider the fact that 1,5 million people live in Yekaterinburg alone. The biggest problem for Estonia is that its political elite has a very "small political brain" and complete indifference to the fate of its subjects.

[Warrior-80]

A small country needs to live in friendship with someone who is close by, and not rely on someone from another continent

[Sergey Matveev]

Quote: ssergey1978

Live right away with your hands up?

Do they live surrounded by enemies?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pessimist22

what they can hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I do not understand.

I don't think they even understand that.

[IS-1]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: Pessimist22

what they can hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I do not understand.

I don't think they even understand that.

Everyone understands perfectly well and is waiting for revenge, even with the "Schmeisers" ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: IS-1

Everyone understands perfectly well and is waiting for revenge, even with the "Schmeisers" ..

Probably because I believe in good and simple everyday logic - I do not agree with you, well, they are not suicides. And those who are planning by adult - they all perfectly understand. Ward No. 6

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Probably because I believe in good and simple everyday logic - I do not agree with you, well, they are not suicides.

Finally I saw clever words.

[Pete mitchell]

No need to be seed spans in the forehead, any graduate of a school with a command profile understands this. Where is their military academy there: in Pärnu, it seems, after two years ago the last graduate of Soviet military universities was sent back - everything is sold out, the connection with reality is lost? Headache, but it can be treated

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

all sold out, lost touch with reality? Headache, but it can be treated

I wonder what you want from the Estonians. I've read articles about them more than once, but I still don't get it. A small country, but so much talk about it, and what they want from it, or the alignment on the world stage depends.

[Pete mitchell]

Illusion. The illusion of significance. All this Eastern European punks consider themselves equal in the same here. And in fact, the "nuclear club" has assigned them a different role, but little mind to understand this, the position is OFF. ... haberdasher and cardinal, oh ho ho ...

[nnm]

And how many of these non-suicides were during the Second World War from Finland to Romania and Bulgaria - they will not climb themselves, but as vassals on the side of the suzerain

[Bagatur]

To you, what? Vasali wants to?

[nnm]

Rematch, I think, will turn into a knockout

[fn34440]

When in 1943 the columns of thousands of prisoners of war were driven through Moscow for the first time, hundreds of Estonians were also there.
Norwegians, Italians, Finns, French, Poles ...
"It never happened, and here it is again."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: fn34440

When in 1943 the columns of thousands of prisoners of war were driven through Moscow for the first time, hundreds of Estonians were also there.

The 20th Waffen SS (Estonian) Division was created in January 1944.

[nnm]

And what about the parts of Arajs, Weiss, etc.?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

And what about the parts of Arajs, Weiss, etc.?

So these are Latvians.

[nnm]

Sorry, I don’t understand varieties of r. But in 20, the SS division was created not in January 44, but in May 43

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Sorry, I don’t understand varieties of r. But in 20, the SS division was created not in January 44, but in May 43

Not to be confused with the Estonian Legion, the 20th SS Division. Although horseradish radish is not sweeter. And although Estonia is very small, during the Second World War, there are many black spots, and a lot of cruelty, about which they still do not speak. And they were certainly not angels, both for their own and for others.

[nnm]

Got it, that is, we don't count the volunteer brigade .... here we write, and here we wrap the herring, ok.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Understood, that is, we do not consider the volunteer brigade ... here we write, and here we wrap the herring,

I wrote that there are dark spots, you can't describe it for a comment. But in short, if I am not mistaken, the 3rd SS Brigade consisted of a heterogeneous composition, not of pure SS troops (of which there were less than 1000), but of various punitive and auxiliary battalions. At the beginning of 1944, the formation of the division had already begun, now this is a purely volunteer Grenadier Waffen SS. And until 44, when the legion stood along the Narova River, and the soldiers who fled to the Soviet side across the river, they were sent to the construction battalion of the Red Army. (My neighbor in the country was one of those).

[nnm]

This, yes ... you can always use the Overton window principle - and the Crimean Tatars did not give out all our pilots, and the Balts did not all, but only 99.999% served the Nazis. But the fact remains - the Baltic Nazis, as well as the Ukrainian ones now, in violation of the resolutions of the Nuremberg Tribunal are given glorification

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

and not all of our pilots were given out by the Crimean Tatars, and not all of the Balts, but only 99.999%, served the Nazis.

Of course, not all, like the Crimean Tatars and the Balts. If we take the Estonians, then the Red Army also had 8 rifle corps. And at the beginning of the war there were NKVD destroyer battalions, and on the other side, the Erna detachment.
And if we take the Waffen SS in terms of the quantitative composition, then Hungary, Latvia, and a couple of others are descending. You just have to remember that all of Europe fought against the USSR, except for two countries. And today the situation is the same, and there is no need to be surprised at this.

[nnm]

Well, why then justify Baltic Nazism? If you want, we can go to the political plane and so on. But this is a fact. As well as "forest brothers" ... What's the point to you to prove the fluffiness of the Balts of those years? Well, you will lose .... I am ready to give figures, facts ... and you simply do not have one.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Well, why then justify Baltic Nazism? If you want, we can go to the political plane and so on. But this is a fact.

Not Nazism but nationalism, which was and will be. But at the moment it is less than in other countries of Eastern Europe. I will not list, you know. Politicians yell - yes. But people with posters "Russian go home" are not present, and even more so "Moskolyak on Gilyak". Although this may be nothing for you, not a single person died due to the collapse of our country, if in 1993 thousands of people died in the White House in Moscow. I will not say anything about Central Asia, even about Moldova, some of my relatives have not returned from there, they simply do not exist. So everything is learned by comparison. I do not want to praise my own people, but I can’t throw mud at me either, because our large family of about 20 people in a small country did not suffer from the collapse of the Union.

[IS-1]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: fn34440

When in 1943 the columns of thousands of prisoners of war were driven through Moscow for the first time, hundreds of Estonians were also there.

The 20th Waffen SS (Estonian) Division was created in January 1944.

Already the Nazi Reich was actually turned to flight and then these Vlad, sensed that they were threatened for atrocities

Quote: tihonmarine

So these are Latvians.

Vlad is even worse! Latvian arrows shot with pleasure I remember in Russia a revolution ..
Oh well, everything, if you dig further, then it will be scary .. Who only in Russia did not shoot Russian mothers .. And we are all alive, to spite everyone and become even stronger!
Here is the paradox of Russian history and Russians!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: IS-1

Latvian shooters fired with pleasure; I remember in Russia a revolution

But did they themselves come and do it, just like the Hungarians, Czechs, Germans, Chinese, you can't even write about some of them. Well, they came by invitation, and for this they received hard currency.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: fn34440

When in 1943 the columns of thousands of prisoners of war were driven through Moscow for the first time, hundreds of Estonians were also there.
Norwegians, Italians, Finns, French, Poles ...
"It never happened, and here it is again."

Forgot, pADols ... (I do it deliberately - 75% didn't notice anyway), literary,

from Ozhegov's dictionary, word - for the sake of the Site Rules. I hope the deflection will be appreciated - who is supposed to. ..

Let the remaining 75 percent not filter and justify this with an aggressive phrase - "spit with saliva," well, you understand ... ".

I'm here for the remaining 25 percent... The place is good - almost literate.

The son of the landing, the grandson and great-grandson of the landing, the great-grandson of Victory. The landing itself. Mom is a candidate of philological sciences, specialization in Russian literature. Therefore, I always put commas, and not when it seems to me that there are not enough of them for "cleverness".

To you. Faina, this is nothing - a cry from the heart, tired of expelling the victims of the exam, who perfectly own AutoCAD and the simplest things that are unable to scribble chalk on the wall of the change house ........

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The son of the landing, the grandson and great-grandson of the landing, the great-grandson of Victory.

And I am the great-grandson of the captain of the Nerchinsky regiment in the Russian-Japanese regiment of 1904, the grandson of sergeant Nerchinsky in the WWI, the son of the commander of the howitzer artillery battalion of the Red Army, father of three sons. But now I am a "stateless person."

[nnm]

I take off my cap in front of people like you, colleague! Abandoned by the Motherland, but not forgotten! I have the honor!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

I take off my cap in front of people like you, colleague! Abandoned by the Motherland, but not forgotten!

You always need to remember your roots and pass them on to your children and grandchildren.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: nnm

Abandoned by the Motherland, but not forgotten

Father, "20-plus calendars, 30-plus years of service" (his phrase), who defended the Honor of the Motherland, who fought on three continents on business trips, was sent on a "well-deserved" rest due to the fact that he is not like "Pasha-Mercedes" , Yeltsin did not support. Although, when it happened on August 19, 91, he was on another business trip and had nothing to do with what had happened in the country because of the word “nothing.” They kicked out of the army, thanks to the Sverdlovsk drunkard, with the words “Well, you there is enough length of service for a good pension ... "He served not for retirement, but for the Motherland. And he taught me to write the word" Motherland "with a capital letter. And then ... A helper at a construction site, study at a construction university (Ryazan does not give a specialty), the company is the business of our family and the entire father's life.

So I'm not an "officer's daughter" ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pessimist22

The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, do not understand.

In a nuclear-free conflict, they believe that the Russian Federation will not be able to deploy more than 3-4 divisions against the Baltic countries, and in a nuclear one, they and you and we will not care what the infantry is armed with.

[Pessimist22]

Why put something against them? Bomb their ports and infrastructure and let them sit exactly in their "cauldron"

[dr.star75]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In a nuclear-free conflict, they believe that the Russian Federation will not be able to deploy more than 3-4 divisions against the Baltic countries

Do you think this is not enough?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: dr.star75

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In a nuclear-free conflict, they believe that the Russian Federation will not be able to deploy more than 3-4 divisions against the Baltic countries

Do you think this is not enough?

If the Balts have time to mobilize? Not enough.

[dr.star75]

Well, if they mobilize before the hypothetical offensive of the Russian army, then not 3 divisions will be transferred, but if after, they will be defeated before mobilization

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

If the Balts have time to mobilize? Not enough.

Yes, what a war, it is only in the minds of politicians.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dr.star75

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In a nuclear-free conflict, they believe that the Russian Federation will not be able to deploy more than 3-4 divisions against the Baltic countries

Do you think this is not enough?

I will say about my collective farm - my father is special forces of the GRU, I am an ODShBr, my great-grandfather is a tanker, my grandfather is an infantry. Enough, I think. We, non-conscript storekeepers, will be given cuttings from shovels - we will fulfill the task, we have no losses, "chizhikov" were trained in a combat situation ... As Vasily Filippovich bequeathed ...

[IS-1]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I will say about my collective farm - my father is special forces of the GRU, I am an ODShBr, my great-grandfather is a tanker, my grandfather is an infantry. Enough, I think. We, non-conscript storekeepers, will be given cuttings from shovels - we will complete the task, we have no losses, "chizhikov" were trained in a combat situation ... As Vasily Filippovich bequeathed ...

Do you know how, Soldier-Igor, to briefly and clearly explain the front-line situation, to some yelling from abroad and here "our supposedly liber"
They scream from all sides and wait for Alexey, when Russia will again give up the slack, as in the 90s ..
Will not wait for the bastards

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: IS-1

They scream from all sides and wait for Alexey, when Russia will again give up the slack, as in the 90s ..
Will not wait for the bastards

Keyword

Quote: IS-1

Will not wait for the bastards

Do not wait. Young people will not know what to do - I and many people like me will come and teach Finnish terrorism to fight, and you don't need to shoot - everything is cut. ...

"Behind the boot" - for those who are in the subject. Everyone has their own - I liked the "finca" more. Many loved. Although, there were experts (no quotes) - they loved Trapper or Bowie. Only then we did not know that they were called that ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In a nuclear-free conflict, they believe that the Russian Federation will not be able to deploy more than 3-4 divisions against the Baltic countries,

And that's a lot. And in a nuclear war, the infantry will no longer be on both sides.

[t-12]

In the event of a serious conflict, they will cover Ust-Luga with a pair of missiles, mine the Gulf of Finland and blow up a pipe. This will close the "window to Europe".

[Pessimist22]

"The army and navy of Estonia blocked Russia in the western direction"
Sounds like a joke.

[APASUS]

Quote: t-12

In the event of a serious conflict, they will cover Ust-Luga with a pair of missiles, mines the Gulf of Finland.

One rocket in a substation would be enough for Estonia to plunge into the Stone Age without electricity. And if they still mined the Gulf of Finland, they will also sign a death sentence for themselves!

Quote: t-12

This will close the "window to Europe".

They probably need this window more!

Quote: t-12

and blow up the pipe.

I don’t remember that export pipelines would go through Estonia. Well, to freeze your ears to harm your mother, this is certainly cool, the logic of suicides is in vogue now!

[t-12]

It was about a "serious conflict". I have described the most obvious ways that Estonia will defend itself in the event of such a conflict.

Pipelines in the Gulf of Finland, 30 kilometers from the coast.

[APASUS]

Quote: t-12

It was about a "serious conflict".

The country will not withstand a serious conflict, wherever it goes.

[mitroha]

Quote: t-12

Pipelines in the Gulf of Finland, 30 kilometers offshore

Germany itself will pull tomatoes for their pipelines, it turns out that they sabotaged them

[Redfox3k]

I am afraid in the event of a serious conflict there will be little "window to Europe", you will have to break through the wall so that the tank can pass.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Redfox3k

I am afraid in the event of a serious conflict there will be little "window to Europe", you will have to break through the wall so that the tank can pass.

And I think that after a serious conflict no one will have to cut something. There will be no one to cut firewood in the cave for the hearth.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: t-12

In the event of a serious conflict, they will cover Ust-Luga with a pair of missiles, mine the Gulf of Finland and blow up a pipe.

And in a serious conflict, no one knows what will happen, what will be, and what will remain.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: t-12

In the event of a serious conflict, they will cover Ust-Luga with a pair of missiles

One rocket will cover Latvia with a copper basin with all the sprats, the second copper basin will cover Estonia and Lithuania.

It is a pity for them, their competitors, who are looking at the 5th article of the NATO Charter. Let the unscored point overwhelm.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: t-12

In the event of a serious conflict, they will cover Ust-Luga with a pair of missiles

One rocket will cover Latvia with a copper basin with all the sprats, the second copper basin will cover Estonia and Lithuania.

I see a minus. At least some liberal [..] (IN Censorship cut out - and correctly, because there are no censorship words) substantiated.
And how Sharikov: "I do not agree" .... They themselves, the liberals, are not funny ?.

What did I say wrong? One rocket, each of the TriEbaltic, one menaton (who is not too lazy - count on Hiroshima) for each "independence" is enough to FOREVER disappear from the political map of the world. Yes, and from physical years to 150 - a radiation desert, you know ... Even the Suoms will not need their X-rays.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Pessimist22

The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I do not understand

And what do you think is serious. Here in the URs of Artsakh there were specialists trained, including in the schools-academies of the Russian Federation. It did not help them. The blow of NATO's southern flank removed all the last husks from the actions of the last CSTO raft in this direction.

[poquello]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Here in the URs of Artsakh there were specialists trained, including in the schools-academies of the Russian Federation

and the Aziks probably in the Turkish academies? ))))))))))))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: poquello

and the Aziks probably in the Turkish academies?

I don’t know, I didn’t study in Turkish academies. And who will tell you "I studied!"

[poquello]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: poquello

and the Aziks probably in the Turkish academies?

I don’t know, I didn’t study in Turkish academies. And who will tell you "I studied!"

yes, the friend above even gave out about the Armenians from the Academy of the Russian Federation)))), they are all Soviet there should be

[tihonmarine]

Quote: poquello

yes, the friend above even gave out about the Armenians from the Academy of the Russian Federation)))), they are all Soviet there should be

So already the Union has been mute for 30 years, while the "comrades" have all Soviet. Already in 1991 there was no one Soviet, and if they were, they would still live in the Union. But naive or stupid always run ahead of the mare.

[poquello]

Quote: tihonmarine

So the Union has been mute for 30 years

30 not 100,

Quote: hiller

For reference: Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan Sadikhov (Sadikov in the recent past) finished soviet Baku Combined Arms School, Higher Officer Courses "Shot" in Solnechnogorsk and the Academy. M.V. Frunze in Moscow.

[Hiller]

For reference: Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan Sadikhov (Sadykov in the recent past) graduated from the Soviet Baku General Military School, the Higher Officer Courses "Shot" in Solnechnogorsk and the Academy named after M.V. Frunze in Moscow.

[hydrox]

And who was hitting from NATO's southern flank - not exactly the Greeks?
These are your old and marked cards.

[t-12]

There were specialists in the URs of Artsakh

The local "URs" are one name. Open, not camouflaged trenches, lack of bunkers, weak mining, lack of air defense, oddities of mobilization training (people are taught to shoot right during the war).

[mitroha]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The attack from the southern flank of NATO removed all the last husk from the actions of the last raft of the CSTO in this direction

Your grass is steep. Did the Turks drive?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Here in the URs of Artsakh there were specialists trained, including in the schools-academies of the Russian Federation, but this did not help them.

It is not the place of education of military leaders that helps in war. Remember the Academy of the General Staff of the Soviet type - what monkeys weren't there ... Father told me ... Helped them? There in Africa. They did not teach crocodiles to hunt in the Academy of the General Staff - they taught to fight there. It can be seen from the results - not all ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Pessimist22

what they can hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I do not understand.

Well, that means they hope.
And what is a "serious conflict", explain, comrade Igor

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And what is a "serious conflict", explain, comrade Igor

Yes, a serious conflict goes on after the collapse of the USSR. And the people did not seem to notice.

[Generator Systems]

Nobody canceled luck

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Systems Generator

Nobody canceled luck

In the game of poker, YES - nobody canceled.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Pessimist22

what they can hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I do not understand.

They hope that, as usual, they will be policemen and guardians ...

[Machito]

Quote: Pessimist22

The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, do not understand.

I watched the program that 50% of the personnel of the Estonian army are Russians. To capture Estonia, one battalion of the Pskov Airborne Division is enough: the Russians will arrest half of the Estonian colleagues, and that's it, victory.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bearded

I watched the program that 50% of the personnel of the Estonian army are Russians.

Please tell me that TV show. If you don’t know or don’t remember, then fake.

[Machito]

I don't remember TV shows about Estonia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bearded

I don't remember TV shows about Estonia

Then you don't need to write fakes. In Estonia, only citizens are drafted into the army. And 50% of Russians in the Estonian army are just fake.

[nnm]

I understand that they will minus, but you very much reminded Grachev's words! Don't underestimate your opponent.

[alesi13]

Yes, and the dog is with him (c)

[YOUR]

Quote: Pessimist22

they hope in case of serious conflict

The fact that no conflicts will be neither serious nor serious.

[boni592807]

Pessimist22 (Igor), Yesterday, 18:08, - "... The pro-American cohort, what they hope for in the event of a serious conflict, I don't understand ..."

You have a funny question. Why go into the conflict ourselves (the USA), but the hardware needs to be "run in" perhaps in practice. Etc. - Vietnam, Afghan, finally Syria ... These USA are not a pity, but as a "useful consumable", easily.

[tuts]

and how long will they last and is it generally profitable to buy rifles instead of building factories for the production of weapons

[Pessimist22]

Aha, they will make from pressed sprats

[Generator Systems]

It is profitable to wash the money on this)

[alexmach]

and how long will they last and is it generally profitable to buy rifles instead of building factories for the production of weapons

For one and a half thousand rifles? yes it is profitable to buy ready-made.

[hydrox]

Each such rifle is approximately equal in value to a wagon of sprat - and the sprat market collapsed along with the Baltic fishing and the Baltic railways ...

[alexmach]

Each such rifle is approximately equal in cost to a wagon of sprat

Thousand and a half dollars, probably. Well, maybe 2.

and the sprat market collapsed

These sprats were given to you. Last time I saw them at a buffet in Spain, well, at a time when there were still these tables.
I have not heard that someone here worried about sprat.

Well, Estonia is the most prosperous of the three Baltic countries. They can afford to buy modern weapons.

PS: I also counted here about the cars. I got that into a 20 ton train. The container should fit 66.5 thousand stretched tin cans of sprats by eye. like this
https://www.vprok.ru/product/vkusnye-konservy-vkus-kons-shproty-v-masle-s-klyuch-175g--309683

[hydrox]

What, "Capital" remained unread?
There it is written in black in Russian: "Before you buy something you need, you must first sell something unnecessary." Do the Baltics have anything to sell, except for sprat and their sovereignty?
Nope
Sprats are dead, and no one needs their rusty sovereignty these days, especially since it ends in half a day and, in addition, has long been pledged for three kopecks in some provincial bank!
But two million silver efimks, and with interest from these truants, you must definitely!

[alexmach]

What, "Capital" remained unread?
There it is written in black in Russian: "Before you buy something you need, you must first sell something unnecessary."

Hmm .. are you sure that this is a quote from Capital?

But two million silver efimks, and with interest from these truants, you must definitely! laughing

The idea is certainly interesting, but practically feasible.

[hydrox]

Quote: alexmach

Hmm .. are you sure that this is a quote from Capital?

But how!
This "Capital" in the format for a kindergarten is called "Prostokvashino", and the quote is said by Uncle Fyodor. You need to know your (this is me about myself ...) Russian classics by heart in order to butt with liberda.

[hydrox]

Something the Baltic Russophobia noted with minuses ALL my comments, which did not even concern the spratniki ...
Ay, Mr. Smirnov - but this is a technical omission :: the site should not breed Baltic Russophobes in its own environment.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tots

instead of building weapons factories

And what to build a factory for 16 rifles?

[hydrox]

And what, do Estonians have corps self-defense - something hurts a lot of rifles they need ... Or are they going to assemble a Gatling machine gun on a cart wheel?

[Tagan]

It would be better if they bought the big ones for the bicycle troops.

[poquello]

Quote: Tagan

It would be better if they bought the big ones for the bicycle troops.

and skates for skating troops

[hydrox]

Large ones are purchased, but children's ones (they are cheaper!) And lie idle - there is no oil to lubricate the chains, otherwise there are solid swamps there, and floating ones have not yet been invented.

[Mouse]

New Estonian ... which are the old American ones?

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Mouse

New Estonian ... which are the old American ones?

Yeah and vice versa a couple of times so they will reach the museum arsenals.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ul_vitalii

Aha and vice versa a couple of times, and they will reach the museum arsenals.

Do you know which army depots remained in Estonia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, although the Estonians did not interfere with the export of military equipment to Russia?

[hydrox]

No, it was from the time of the Anglo-Boer War that they remained in the British arsenals - 1898-1902.

[hydrox]

Even older!
These are the very ones in which the Wehrmacht traveled through the occupied territories.

[Generator Systems]

Another clone of emka could re-equip with something better

[dr.star75]

and why are they bad? while gunpowder is a source of energy there is nothing better

[yfast]

Nice loot will be ...

[Andrey Kudelya]

Estonian army ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Kudelya

Estonian army ...

The Estonian Defense Forces (Eesti Kaitsevägi) is the name of the joint armed forces of the Republic of Estonia. They consist of the ground forces, the Navy, and the paramilitary organization "Defense League". But not the army. Write correctly.

[IS-1]

Estonian army began rearmament with new automatic rifles

They will not help them ...

[Sergey Matveev]

In case of trouble, nothing and no one will help them

[Constanty]

And what were the bad AK and AK-74? Reliable, deadly and easy to get ammo.
This Eastern Europe is stupid on the wave of Russophobia fueled by the US and the governments of its "allies". I hope that this will end soon y us and Trump will be gone.

[hydrox]

In general, war is always accompanied by the production of weapons, their trade and rearmament.
We started the war at the U-2, and ended at the La-9, Il-2, Pe-8 and Yak-7

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Constanty

Reliable, deadly and easy to get ammo.

All that you wrote is good in the Russian army, but where does the AK ammunition come from in Estonia? Even for the military historical clubs we have KO-44 and Mauser 98k, the barrels have been altered for the NATO cartridge.

[IS-1]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Constanty

Reliable, deadly and easy to get ammo.

All that you wrote is good in the Russian army, but where does the AK ammunition come from in Estonia? Even for the military historical clubs we have KO-44 and Mauser 98k, the barrels have been altered for the NATO cartridge.

Punishers, what to take Vlad from them .. That is how they live.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: IS-1

Punishers, what to take Vlad from them .. That is how they live.

Well, all sorts are available. I'm a member of the historic club

[Constanty]

Where does AK ammunition come from in Finland? She also wanted to replace the rifles with one with a NATO standard cartridge, but decided to modernize. RK 62
Ammunition? From old stocks, from other allied states (for example, Poland, which destroys 7,62x39 ammunition at $ 1,5 per piece !!! - it would be cheaper to give, for example, Estonia for free) and, finally, during a conflict, profit from an opponent ...

[Alien From]

This will not help the Estonian army.

[Reserve buildbat]

What cannot be taken away from mattresses is the ability to snatch your trash to vassals by hook or by crook. Even the "mighty Tribaltic tygry" from their 5 soldos pay the owner for three.

[Incvizitor]

rifles of American production.

Who would doubt that slaves from the owners will buy

[zwlad]

I understand. Rifles, etc. But where are the scouts from in estonia?

[Azimuth]

Automatic rifles MLCPS (chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45 mm) and CQBMWS (chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51 mm) are variations of the widely used Stoner AR family, but with a patented upper receiver made of a single monolithic structure aluminum, which provides its increased rigidity.

Firstly, as with all the latest modifications based on the M16, there is a gas outlet on the principle of a gas piston with a short stroke. This ensures the reliability and failure-free operation of mechanisms in case of contamination as in our AK, but at the same time the ease of handling and ergonomics of the M16 remain, which our AK is known to lack.
And only secondly, the upper part, the receiver itself, is milled from a solid workpiece (heat-treated aviation duralumin), which ensures the same increased rigidity.

Manufacturer website: https://lmtdefense.com/product/mlcps/

The machine is very, very good. I would recommend to debaters, comedians and cynics to dash into the shooting range and shoot themselves, or watch the practices. Our weapon geniuses will not give birth to anything except for the next and very late modernization of the AK, and even there the decisions will be distorted from someone from the foreign countries who put their hands on the AK, and even then they cannot scuffle normally.

[dr.star75]

Quote: Azimuth

Firstly, as with all the latest modifications based on the M16, there is a gas outlet on the principle of a gas piston with a short stroke.

Was it different before?

Quote: Azimuth

And only secondly, the upper part, the receiver itself, is milled from a solid workpiece (heat-treated aviation duralumin), which ensures the same increased rigidity.

- and what does it give? a milled box complicates and increases the cost of production, you cannot quickly rivet in mass quantities. There are big doubts about the survivability of the aluminum part of the weapon.
And most importantly, what is it for? A sniper weapon will still not work out of it, and for an army battle, the accuracy of an ordinary Kalash is sufficient

[Gippo]

Yes, good, no questions.
But how much does this miracle cost? Is it 10 times better than the AK-74?
The question is, of course, rhetorical.
Sawing grandmothers is not only Russian folk fun)))

[maktub]

I also noticed the `` piston '' with the regulator, the aluminum receiver still confuses, as it is at the expense of falling from a height

[maiman61]

Why do they need new rifles? What's the difference from which one will shoot? Do they think that we will attack them with chains, and they will sit in the trench and shoot us? Their Murlandia will be wiped off the face of the earth with tactical nuclear warheads and a radioactive sanitary cordon will be created near our borders!

[IS-1]

Quote: maiman61

Why do they need new rifles? What's the difference from which one will shoot?

What's the difference from what punitive operations to carry out .. So most likely! .They are waiting in the wings for revenge .. And this time already, everything will be different
PS But they won't be in time ..

[hydrox]

Why won't they make it in time?
Will be in time!
In the first week, the Russian commandant's office at registration will work around the clock until all the Waffen-SS men are overfished, and then in the routine of the district polyclinic, when all Russophobes and officials who do not know Russian will be seated in old pioneer camps.

[maiman61]

The main thing is that there are enough lampposts!

[hydrox]

They consider themselves to be cultural ethnic groups, therefore, on the streets, it seems like d. it’s light, though with e / e it’s tight ...
And you, throw it about the pillars: they will be sent to pioneer camps only on the verdict of a special FOB court, which will consider cases only of specific Russophobes - for these, a bullet will not be a pity ...

[maiman61]

And what, besides specific Russophobes, who else is there? Drop that about the courts! The NKVD was alarmed and look how many unbroken Bandera members are flaunting in Sharovariya! You can't spoil porridge with butter!

[Cat]

Taking into account national peculiarities, the rate of fire of the new rifles will be reduced to 1 round per minute (excluding reload time). A new, authentic muzzle brake will also be used - it will be located on the butt side.

[hydrox]

And you have forgotten special hardened duralumin slingshots used as personal weapons and shooting pine cones!
But there will be problems, since the Russians will take the land tax from the Baltic states and pshek with dry cones for samovars (a bag a quarter from the snout!)

[Azimuth]

Quote: dr.star75

Quote: Azimuth

Firstly, as with all the latest modifications based on the M16, there is a gas outlet on the principle of a gas piston with a short stroke.

Was it different before?

Quote: Azimuth

And only secondly, the upper part, the receiver itself, is milled from a solid workpiece (heat-treated aviation duralumin), which ensures the same increased rigidity.

- and what does it give? a milled box complicates and increases the cost of production, you cannot quickly rivet in mass quantities. There are big doubts about the survivability of the aluminum part of the weapon.
And most importantly, what is it for? A sniper weapon will still not work out of it, and for an army battle, the accuracy of an ordinary Kalash is sufficient

Yes, the original M16 has a different system, a direct gas outlet.

Aircraft aluminum box. In a multi-axis CNC machine, roughly if you take our common alloy D16T from the bulldozer, then you can adjust the receivers / receiver boxes much more than riveting Kalash.

Accurate shooting is possible even from a water pipe, only it takes longer to teach. An ergonomic, comfortable and accurate mass rifle improves the overall accuracy and efficiency of even a fighter with an average shooting training.

[Gunther]

jokes as a joke, but just a stone's throw from us poisonous, hostile to Russia kublo - it is necessary to solve this problem following the example of the Israeli comrades, I agree with Khramchikhin - "Enough to be good ..."

[agoran]

Well, the Pskov Airborne Division will capture the airfields of Tapa, Pärnu, Emari, and the port of Paldiski. will cut the lines of communication, in 3 days Estonia is ours.
And what is the profit?
Again, the Taloponts should be fed at the expense of the Russian Federation, no-no, let the EU feed them.

[maiman61]

There is no point in feeding your enemies!

[Azimuth]

Quote: maiman61

Why do they need new rifles? What's the difference from which one will shoot? Do they think that we will attack them with chains, and they will sit in the trench and shoot us? Their Murlandia will be wiped off the face of the earth with tactical nuclear warheads and a radioactive sanitary cordon will be created near our borders!

Residents of our border regions read you and think ... bad things about you.

The Russian Empire did not take Japan seriously, they were going to shower the Japanese with hats. The USSR thought of Finland as an easy walk.
This is impossible, any potential enemy requires a serious attitude. We already took Grozny once with one regiment of the Airborne Forces, how many demon boys were buried remember?

[nnm]

Remember. Why do you think that we have not learned lessons from this?
Honestly, knowing who the Pskov division is staffed with, I doubt that it will be thrown into the breakthrough, but the meaning does not change ..
Apart from NATO bases, the Balts cannot oppose Russia with anything

[maiman61]

A cordon sanitary from this infection is a must!

[hydrox]

It was, but that scoundrel-Mercedes no longer commands anyone, and not because he does not want to, but because every cook must know his place.
At least he provided the military side of the Yeltsin military coup ...

[agoran]

Hmm. Estonia is a country (let's say) with a very humid and cool climate.
And the soil is sandy.
Interestingly, tests were carried out in this area.

[gummas]

ne vsio so simple. sto pokupat, resaet ne armyja, a politiki katoryje polucajut takyje predlozenija, ot katoryh nelze atkozatsa.

[Azimuth]

Quote: gumas

ne vsio so simple. sto pokupat, resaet ne armyja, a politiki katoryje polucajut takyje predlozenija, ot katoryh nelze atkozatsa.

Army in NATO? - to NATO. There are NATO rifle ammunition, there is a standard for the store, there are standard guides for attaching scopes and other things, and there are rifles that meet these requirements. By and large, and the choice is small, in fact, it is either the M16 and rifles developed on its basis, or the original rifles of Italy, Germany, Britain, the Czech Republic, and of the European standard of Belgium.
We stopped at the modernized M16, the choice in Europe from the new is only Belgium and the Czech Republic, so in fact there was a choice simply between manufacturers. And Europeans and Americans make their own modifications. And they chose, if not the best, then to put it mildly not the worst option based on the M16.

[41st region]

Ambidextrous Rifle System means ...
Joke.
Several men are sitting in the smoking-room in silence, painful silence. Here one gives out:
- Guys, and Petrov we have that ... Ambidexter.
- Who ?!
- Petrov!

[Alpha-66]

A rich country can afford.

[tolmachiev51]

Business in the American way, we will allocate money, at interest, instead of rifle money. But the interest will be returned and the money is in place and there is a fat! Nothing personal.

[Astra55]

This news is neither cold nor hot

[Azimuth]

Quote: tolmachiev51

Business in the American way, we will allocate money, at interest, instead of rifle money. But the interest will be returned and the money is in place and there is a fat! Nothing personal.

Business is correct, by this they support difficult one of the many small arms production, about their own population and economy. Many of us sometimes do not understand this.
A simple example. We are now transferring 30 T-72MS tanks to Serbia, free of charge. We have thousands of T-72s in storage, there is a plant in St. Petersburg that performs modernization, there is a plant in Belarus that produces sights, there is a plant that produces related control systems - the whole chain works, not only do we preserve technology and support production, but we also support the population and the economy. Having received wages, the worker will go to get a haircut, buy food, pay a mortgage, use utilities and, most importantly, pay for them, etc. It is like a stone thrown into the water, from which wide circles diverge. That is, even a gratuitous transfer at our expenses has a benefit, and with deliveries on credit, even if part of them is written off in the future, there are even more benefits and internal benefits for our own population and economy, and plus foreign policy, somewhere we save, we gain influence, or we change the balance in the direction we need and benefit.
So there is nothing extraordinary or unique about this US action.

[Whirlwind]

Oh yeah! For Estonia, this is RE-EQUIPMENT, which for us is in the Sarmatians ...

[Maki maki]

Of course Estonia needs new weapons. She is now at the forefront of the battering ram against the Russian Federation. A sort of "strike fist".

[Alexfly]

A good, high quality, reliable rifle. Supplied according to NATO standards. Why should they rearrange the Kalash? It will be more expensive .. For the budget, of course, it will be more expensive, but according to Bender it will turn out: "Abroad will help us"

[Risto-Pearu Koovit]

Most of the comments, as usual, are not on this topic.

For this weapon, a relatively long and thorough testing period was carried out. More than one manufacturer participated in the tests.
The main selection criterion was that the weapon should be a weapon of the 21st century, and not a 1947 shovel, which is significantly improved only with the use of new materials and new colors.

Based on the tone of most of the comments, it is clear that the citizens of a large country continue to experience problems with the existence of small countries. It might be worth looking in the mirror first and if you ever reach the same standard of living as Estonians, you will start promoting Soloviev's doctrine in the comments ... i