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"Superfrigate" for "super destroyer": in the USA they are discussing the creation of a new ship, forgetting about the experience of Zumwalt

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The leadership of the US Navy raised the issue of building a new frigate. According to the Minister of the Navy, this will make it possible to more successfully solve problems fleet... But there is one "but" ...


Those interested in the current state of the US Navy should be aware of the interesting experience in building the Zumwalt super destroyer. At first, the US Navy planned to turn the Zumwalt destroyers into one of the main components of the surface fleet, but then, due to financial problems, the number of destroyers was reduced from 32 to 3. Now the American naval command does not know what to do with super destroyers and what functions they should perform. But this experience appears to have taught little to senior naval officials.

US Navy Secretary Kenneth Braithwaite raised the issue of the possibility of developing and implementing a multinational frigate program that would resemble the program aviation to create the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The minister called the as yet non-existent program "Joint Strike". The minister's speech came a few days after President Donald Trump's national security adviser Robert O'Brien said he saw the need to increase the number of frigates in the US naval forces.

As the US Navy Secretary stressed, America could share frigates with its NATO allies, as well as strategic partners in all regions of the world. That is, we immediately started talking about the financial benefit for the States. But here, again, there is a reference to the sad experience of the "super destroyer": if it was not possible to establish mass production of Zumwalt, then where are the guarantees that even more costly mass production of "superfrigates" will be organized, and even in the context of discussions about its supplies abroad.

However, just export orientation can become one of the ways to reduce the cost of building frigates. Not so long ago, the US Navy was already considering the possibility of acquiring frigates of foreign projects, ultimately opting for the Marinette Marine FREMM concept based on the Franco-Italian Fregata Europea. We are talking about a multipurpose frigate for the French and Italian navies, as well as the Moroccan and Egyptian navies. All of these countries are American military partners.

Connecting with international partners through the Joint Strike Frigate program can expand the capabilities of the US military industry and attract additional investment in shipbuilding companies. To create a large number of frigates, the deployment of new shipyards will be required, which means that the production capacities of all segments of the industry, one way or another interacting with the shipbuilding industry, will be loaded.

In addition, there will be new jobs for engineers and workers, which also fits into the framework of Trump's long-standing program to increase the number of jobs in American industry. It is clear that the construction of new frigates would help narrow the widening gap between the capabilities of the American military shipbuilding and the Chinese military shipbuilding, which is constantly building up the power of the PLA Navy and increasing the number of destroyers and landing ships.

Regardless of whether the Joint Strike Frigate program becomes a reality or the US Navy stops purchasing European-type frigates, one thing is clear: the Pentagon plans to increase investments in the surface fleet, but will they only be justified? The sad experience of Zumwalt shows that at first it is necessary to very carefully calculate all possible consequences, and only then make a decision to launch a new program.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 30 October 2020 11: 22
    0
    Yes, even a super aircraft carrier, let them overstrain!
    1. kot423
      kot423 30 October 2020 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      Yes, even a super aircraft carrier

      And even better - underwater, + with the possibility of flight wassat Hollywood has already shown them a prototype in the Avengers - let them work.
      1. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2020 11: 56
        -1
        Quote: kot423
        Quote: Alien From
        Yes, even a super aircraft carrier

        And even better - underwater, + with the possibility of flight wassat Hollywood has already shown them a prototype in the Avengers - let them work.

        No, they will build a ship using alien technology from the Sea Battle movie.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 31 October 2020 00: 31
          +4
          As long as the rest of the World plays by their rules, they will not overstrain.
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  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2020 11: 32
    +4
    in the USA they are discussing the creation of a new ship, forgetting about the Zumwalt experience
    When the opportunity to earn and earn a lot is at stake, old mistakes are completely forgotten and the experience of failures is not taken into account.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 October 2020 11: 46
      +6
      where are the guarantees that even more costly mass production of "superfrigates" will be organized,
      "Oh, take it all, I'll print it for myself!"
  4. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 30 October 2020 11: 43
    +1
    This Zumwalt is broken. Bring a new one ... lol
  5. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 30 October 2020 11: 43
    +3
    "Saw, Shura, Saw"
    So they will cut, the US budget looks like gold!
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 31 October 2020 03: 25
      +1
      Quote: Ru_Na
      "Saw, Shura, Saw"
      So they will cut, the US budget looks like gold!

      Nah, he's rubber wink
  6. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 11: 44
    +4
    Apples and uncle in Kiev.
  7. japan-k
    japan-k 30 October 2020 11: 46
    -7
    Large surface ships will not be needed, given the speed at which the rocketry industry is developing. They just make great targets. Well, or you have to stuff them with so many air defenses that there will be no room for strike systems.
    It is not in vain that Russia is investing in ships of smaller displacement, but at the same time having missile weapons on board. Despite the fact that emphasis is placed on universal launchers to install various kinds of missiles
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 30 October 2020 11: 57
      +4
      Quote: japan-k
      It is not for nothing that Russia is investing in ships of smaller displacement, but at the same time having missile weapons on board.


      The 22350 is not much smaller than the Constellation (aka FFG (X)), and the possible future 22350M will be larger than the 22350.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 30 October 2020 12: 34
      +2
      Despite the fact that emphasis is placed on universal launchers to install all kinds of missiles

      True, the Americans came to universal launchers back in 1986. But these are trifles.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 30 October 2020 14: 56
      +1
      Large surface ships will not be needed, given the speed at which the rocketry industry is developing.

      Tell this to the Japanese, with their plans for a speedy construction 22 large frigates.
      Europeans will also be interested in listening.
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 30 October 2020 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: japan-k
      No wonder Russia is investing in ships of smaller displacement
      Russia needs to defend its shores, but why the states have frigates with 60 Berks is not clear. In whose far sea zone will these frigates operate? Securing US shores? From whom? I do not believe.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 30 October 2020 11: 46
    +3
    The problem is that the Americans themselves want to participate in cutting the budget and the European frigate does not suit them, but they do not have time for R&D.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 30 October 2020 20: 16
      +1
      If you ordered a series for yourself, then it is suitable.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 30 October 2020 20: 38
        -2
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        If you ordered a series for yourself, then it is suitable.

        Where did you order it, in your fantasies?
        that the construction of new frigates would reduce the widening gap between the capabilities of the American military shipbuilding

        Is this a statement?
        Regardless of whether the Joint Strike Frigate program becomes a reality or the US Navy stops purchasing European-type frigates, one thing is clear: the Pentagon plans to increase investments in the surface fleet, but will they only be justified?
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 30 October 2020 20: 44
          +2
          "Where ordered, in your fantasies?" - well, if you don't know, then these are your problems. The new ship according to the European project FREMM was ordered from the Italian company Fincantieri for 795,116 million dollars (excluding the cost of weapons). In total, it is planned to build 10 such ships.
          1. Avior
            Avior 1 November 2020 01: 06
            +1
            I will clarify. We ordered it from an Italian company, but they will build in the USA at a shipyard in Wisconsin, which is a subsidiary of an Italian company.
  9. Chukcha
    Chukcha 30 October 2020 11: 54
    0
    Well, yes, "Zumwalt" did not "float", so they scratch their heads - "but what new to us ...", and money, again, will not interfere with business.
  10. Mytholog
    Mytholog 30 October 2020 12: 15
    -3
    It seemed to me, or the "superfrigate" will not have the Aegis system (judging by the sketch)?
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 30 October 2020 12: 24
      +3
      It seemed.
      It is necessary not to draw an expert opinion from the pictures, but to read the program.
      FFG (X) 's Aegis Weapon System will leverage at least 90 percent of its software from the Aegis common source software that supports combat systems found on other Navy ships, such as the DDG 51-class destroyers
      .
      1. Mytholog
        Mytholog 30 October 2020 13: 17
        -4
        Quote: Lex_is
        It is necessary not to draw an expert opinion from the pictures, but to read the program.

        Here it is, your minute of fame))
        Teach, teach - how to live and what to do.
    2. Avior
      Avior 1 November 2020 00: 56
      0
      Be.
      FFG (X) will be equipped with Aegis Baseline 10
  11. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 30 October 2020 12: 35
    +6
    And where does the zamvolt in general? Zamvolt did not take off, for there were too many raw, unworked technologies in it.

    If you build a series based on today's technological base, they will not have any problems. But the prodigy-stealth with railguns won't work either.
  12. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 October 2020 12: 50
    +5
    And what has this Zumwalt to do with it.
    Or have I missed somewhere that a promising frigate is also planned as a "superfrigate"?
    It seems not. It is generally far-fetched. The proposed program is about something else.
    About the fact that everything should be done only in America, and only America should receive income from this, and everyone else should deserve that the "master" deign to share with them. But at their expense.
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 30 October 2020 12: 57
      +1
      Quite the opposite. They drew conclusions and moved on to proven solutions and projects.
      Technology Maturity
      The assessment, which Navy officials said included a review of about 150 systems, identified no critical technology elements that pose major technological risk during development. DOD has yet to complete an independent technical risk assessment for FFG (X).


      Well, you know that as well as I do.
  13. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 30 October 2020 13: 11
    +3
    As the US Navy Secretary emphasized, America could share frigates with its NATO allies, as well as strategic partners in all regions of the world.

    Here Italy and France will be delighted. laughing
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 30 October 2020 13: 50
      0
      And the UK, with its contracted type 26, type 31 will be delighted, and Canada with its RCN, and Australia with its Hunter.
      Everyone will be happy.
      No one has even thought about a promising frigate. laughing
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 30 October 2020 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Here Italy and France will be delighted.

      And at the same time Germany, Holland, Spain, etc.

      Do the Americans want to do a similar trick with their allies as JSF? Ha ha! Do not forget to put the rake in the meeting room. soldier
  14. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 30 October 2020 13: 23
    +1
    In Washington, it is no longer admirals and engineers who decide what the fleet needs))) so, good luck in building, the most important thing is to make it more expensive))))
  15. ANB
    ANB 30 October 2020 13: 45
    0
    The experience of heating the body has passed. Right now, we will order a new microwave oven on citylink and continue to study physics. :)
    And so why not? China has already squeezed out all production, now it is dragging on development. And jobs are needed in the United States.
  16. Kalmar
    Kalmar 30 October 2020 14: 16
    +5
    forgetting about the Zumwalt experience

    Only it seemed to me that this thesis does not follow from the content of the article? At Zumwalt, they tried to cram all the innovations at once, which in principle they reached. It is quite expected that the project de facto failed: well, you cannot take so many technical risks at once.

    A multipurpose frigate (and even based on some existing project) is already a rather trivial ship. In any case, there was no information about the intention to arm them with railguns and some kind of superguns that could hit 1000 km. And to rivet some "Arleigh Burke for the poor" with a simplified composition of missile and electronic weapons, the Americans are quite affordable.
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 November 2020 01: 11
      0
      With Aegis, it's not for the poor.
      For the poor, the French have different versions of the Lafayette, including the Formidebl, at three times the price.
  17. dzvero
    dzvero 30 October 2020 16: 37
    -1
    There was a "super-mine" - they refused; now the "superfrigate" ... and the "supercorvette" with the "superboat" is not far ... Either degradation, or has it become a shame to cut the budget, or just dumb money?
    1. Lex_is
      Lex_is 30 October 2020 17: 03
      -1
      so it is not far from the "supercorvette" with the "superboat" ...

      The supercorvette has been produced since 2008, the Littoral combat ship is called, and it was designed using the developments on the super destroyer. And 22 of them have already been built, the first 4, very problematic, are already being decommissioned.
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 30 October 2020 21: 18
    0
    all the trash and the arms race is only needed to maintain the Stars and Stripes economy !!!!!!!!!!!
  19. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 31 October 2020 19: 18
    0
    After reading the article, I got the idea that we have all the shipyards loaded, I want to receive frigates of projects 22350 / 22350m in large quantities and as soon as possible, why not place orders for hulls in other relatively friendly countries: China, North Korea, Iran, India, Vietnam, and we have to carry out the final assembly after ferrying the hulls, do you have any thoughts on this in the chat?
  20. Avior
    Avior 1 November 2020 01: 08
    0
    The new frigate is the exact opposite of Zamwolt in concept.
    All key solutions are proven, including Aegis.
    They will build at a shipyard in the United States.
  21. meandr51
    meandr51 1 November 2020 09: 34
    0
    Why count? It's not in our interest ...