"We use the experience of Poland": Ukraine offered to buy American F-16 fighters

Ukraine could use the experience of Poland and update its aviation park by purchasing American F-16 fighters. This was stated in an interview with RBC-Ukraine by the commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Sergei Drozdov.

According to Drozdov, the aircraft fleet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine needs to be updated. Currently, the Air Force is armed with aircraft produced in the period from 1968 to 1991, there are no new aircraft.

During the independence of Ukraine, we have not received a single military aircraft

- He said.

According to Drozdov, Ukraine is unlikely to be able to create its own multi-functional fighter, since it takes at least 10 years and $ 10 billion to create a prototype alone, as well as the corresponding scientific base, production and experience that Ukraine does not have.

The only way out for the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is to purchase aircraft from "partner countries." At the same time, I would like to purchase something like the F-35, but this is unlikely, since even Poland, which is a NATO member for a long time, has only now been able to start negotiations on the purchase of fifth generation fighters. Ukraine is not even a NATO member yet.

We are talking about the only type of multipurpose fighter that would subsequently replace all types of Soviet-style combat aviation: fighters, attack aircraft, bombers. Of course, the Air Force would also like to have modern technology, like the American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying on such aircraft

- said Drozdov.

As a way out, the commander nevertheless suggests using the experience of Poland, which, along with the Soviet MiG-29s, purchased American F-16s.

(...) the Poles went exactly this way, when they have F-29s along with the MiG-16. Such an experience of Poland would be the most acceptable for us too: to receive a squadron of fighters and put it into service with one of the tactical aviation brigades of the Air Force

- he added.

Comments

[Sergey39]

"Ukraine could use the experience of Poland and update its aircraft fleet by purchasing American F-16 fighters."
It could, in principle, if there was money.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Sergey39

It could, in principle, if there was money.

The United States has a practice of donating decommissioned F16s to its allies. Resource restoration and modernization on the host side is not as expensive as buying a new one.

[seti]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The USA sometimes donates decommissioned F16s. Resource restoration and modernization on the host side is not as expensive as buying a new one.

There is a good answer to this - if you want to ruin a banana country, give it a battleship. Are you thinking of repairing a dead doroblo by purchasing not cheap spare parts and retraining pilots so easily and cheaply? If this were the case, then Bulgaria and the same Poland would have flown by all the Air Force on planes "donated" by the Yankees.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: seti

There is a good answer to this - if you want to ruin a banana country, give it a battleship.

If you want to ruin the country, make a banana republic out of it (you can use rapeseed).

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: seti

and retraining pilots is so easy and cheap? If this were so then Bulgaria

like, as one Bulgarian comrade wrote here under the article about the F-16 "donated" by the States, retraining takes place in the United States at the expense of the Americans.

[Brturin]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

as one Bulgarian comrade wrote here under the article about the F-16 "donated" by the States, the retraining takes place in the United States at the expense of the Americans.

"Gift" ... as recently as April ...

According to the latest information, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry has ordered 6 single and 2 two-seat fighters from the American manufacturer. The announced contract amount is $ 512 million. Based on this amount, we can conclude that the American company requested $ 16 million for the F-64V unit. But these are only "empty" cars. In total, $ 1,26 billion is allocated from the Bulgarian budget. These funds will be used to purchase weapons from the United States for the supplied fighters, to train the flight and technical personnel of the country's Air Force, and to modernize the basic infrastructure. Deliveries of F-16V fighters to Bulgaria are to be completed in 2027. celesoobraznosti-sdelki.html

8 aircraft, for 1,26 billion, by 2027 Here they ask for a squadron ...

[Keyser soze]

Deliveries of F-16V fighters to Bulgaria should be completed in 2027.

No. The delivery will be in 2023 and will be completed in 2024. Plus, if we now take 8 more, then all 16 will be in the troops in 2024. The author of the article confuses delivery and operational readiness. After delivery, a fighter cannot simply take off and perform tasks, and operational readiness can take 2-3 years.

[Keyser soze]

retraining takes place in the United States at the expense of the Americans.

Yes, but not retraining, but training young pilots and mechanics almost from scratch. There are 8-12 pilots and 16-65 mechanics for 75 aircraft.

But everything can be crammed into the price - weapons, training, equipment for an advanced home base, simulators, etc. The transition from Russian fighters to American ones (and vice versa) is a very expensive process.

[Borik]

The decommissioned boats from the amers have already arrived, and what can the F-16s receive in the same way. No money for new money.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Borik

The decommissioned boats from the amers have already arrived, and what can the F-16s receive in the same way. No money for new money.

In order for the F-16 to be fully exploited, it is necessary to change almost the entire support structure at the airfields. There is complete incompatibility with Soviet technology both in materiel and in fuels and lubricants.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: neri73-r

In order for the F-16 to be fully exploited, it is necessary to change almost the entire support structure at the airfields.

What are their options? Buy planes in Russia? In any case, these works will need to be done. What Swedish Gripenes, what Korean T50s, what Italian M-346FA to buy.

[neri73-r]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In any case, these works will need to be done.

These works will come out more expensive than the purchase of flying junk itself!

[Boris Chernikov]

so .. shhh, don’t burn the office .. let them buy

[orionvitt]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

What are their options?

None at all. No matter how they sit down, “musicians” will not come out of them. All these are well-known ukrohotelki. Well, they bought old decommissioned boats on the cheap and have they become stronger? Is that, as targets for the Russian fleet. It is not individual ships and airplanes that are fighting, and not even people by themselves. The army and the navy are at war. And a couple of three boats, or airplanes (especially old ones), do not make the weather in any way, they are just targets.

[yasher]

Why do they need so few planes at all that they decide?
It's just a matter of paying tribute and nothing more (

[tihonmarine]

Quote: neri73-r

In order for the F-16 to be fully exploited, it is necessary to change almost the entire support structure at the airfields.

Well, then you need to give Ukraine a whole air division of decommissioned F-16s or Phantoms.

[yehat2]

apparently, do not give the laurels of Indians peace.
it is necessary to buy planes from the Swedes, Americans, Chinese, Brazilians, French, and not forget to buy a couple of MiG-15s in North Korea. The more standards of aviation support at the same time, the cooler. Let the enemies go crazy determining the possible type of aircraft that can take off.

[akarfoxhound]

Do you think that a boat rattling through the water with propellers and a jet fighter in the concept of "on the move" are technically about the same thing ??? Seriously???

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Borik

The decommissioned boats from the amers have already arrived, and what the F-16 can get in the same way.

well, after all, it's not the same thing - a patrol tub and a fighter)

[Lesorub]

Quote: Borik

The decommissioned boats from the amers have already arrived, and what can the F-16s receive in the same way. No money for new money.

The United States will provide a loan), if Ukraine really takes this step, and there are not so many options for upgrading, Ukraine can only support its MiG 29 and Su 27 technically - there can be no question of any more worthwhile modernization.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Sergey39

It could, in principle, if there was money.

The United States has a practice of donating decommissioned F16s to its allies. Resource restoration and modernization on the host side is not as expensive as buying a new one.

Not too far-sighted people think that the United States will let Ukraine go broke. They will give her new Form 35 if necessary and train the pilots for free. Lushe let Ukrainians die on them than Americans. If the planes show themselves positively. they will say "well, we said f25 are the best", and if they act negatively as we do, "well, the Syrians are stupid, they cannot use modern air defense systems."

And from the article I understood that since "During the independence of Ukraine, we have not received a single military aircraft", it means that now there is no talk of independence, even if the officials allow such reservations ... and as I understood that during the total dependence of Ukraine, there is no talk of getting planes, we are talking about their purchase for a loan

[Soho]

They will give her new Form 35 if necessary and will train the pilots for free.

Rave. The queue for the delivery of F35 is scheduled among the paying countries in real money. For rogues with an outstretched hand, there is a program of selling (using the funds of their own loans) written-off junk, which is easier to sell at its residual value than to dispose of. Moreover, maintenance (spare parts, departure of specialists) will make additional income for the same GD. And bureaucrats in skakuasiya will receive a constant source of the budget's drink

[Boris Chernikov]

I don’t remember that a free gift would be cheaper than 10-30 million dollars apiece. And this does not take into account the BC, training of pilots, ground personnel, simulators and ground infrastructure .. but I personally hope that they will go for it

[ancient]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Resource recovery and modernization on the host side

Who are you " is this "said?

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

it is not as expensive as buying a new one

Like, yes ... at first glance ... only you buy once ... and you serve ... the rest of your flight life ... which is extended to ... (and for this separate money).
It's like a cash cow ... (but ours "manage" this very badly ... unfortunately

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The United States has a practice of donating decommissioned F16s to allies

I apologize wildly, can you tell who they gave the plane with the bone yard without repair?

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Resource restoration and modernization on the host side is not as expensive as buying a new one.

It is certainly cheaper than a new aircraft, but the question remains to what level to upgrade? I sincerely doubt that someone will agree to carry out this work for beautiful eyes... And I sincerely doubt that 404s are able to pay for this kind of work. Smart guys probably want to do the work themselves, it's easier to screw together and access to experience, but no one will allow it. Freebie ended panova ..., capitalism, civilized.,.

[BDRM 667]

(...) the Poles went exactly this way, when they are armed with F-29s along with the MiG-16. Such an experience of Poland would be the most acceptable for us: get a squadron of fighters and put it into service with one of the tactical aviation brigades of the Air Force

The squadron, and this is probably up to 30 aircraft, is capable of plugging all holes of the Ukrainian Air Force and covering all the needs in the war with Russia ?

After all, for the sixth year they have been fighting with us, and for Peremoga, just a little is missing ...

[Cat]

Squadron, and this is apparently up to 30 aircraft

Usually 12.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Gato

Usually 12.

Moreover, what kind of weather can 12 F-16s make them?

[Cat]

How is it what? To sell ballads about the invincibility of the master's trash to the lohtorata.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: BDRM 667

Moreover, what kind of weather they can make 12 pieces of F-16

expensive show-off. It's like an office plankton, five of us living in a rented two-room apartment in Bibirevo, buys used pretentious cars on credit. The main thing is to seem, not to be.

[Boris Chernikov]

taking into account the accident rate of f-16, 5 years after purchase, you will have to purchase

[Deniso]

Easy. F-16 after the USA and then after Poland. Third hands for full price - profitable)

[Thrifty]

Order Form 35 from USA! When they become hopelessly obsolete, the Yankees will sell them to you at a low price - at three times the price, in a "full scrap" state!

[Orange bigg]

Fable Ukraine and F-35 (monkey and glasses). It will be curious to see what they are there first of all steal from the F-35.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It will be curious to see what they are there first of all steal from the F-35.

a catapult chair for an amusement park?

[Orange bigg]

I think Zelensky is the right chair for his presidential office. The main thing is to think over the hole in the ceiling in advance; judging by the latest election results, it will suit him. You can quickly evacuate to the roof, and then by helicopter to Rostov.
And so I think in a month F-35 will be completely taken apart for details.

[neri73-r]

Quote: OrangeBigg

And then by helicopter to Rostov.

He is not needed in Rostov, let him evacuate to Israel.

[Fungus]

It won't help anyway

[Jacket in stock]

Could.
Only Ukraine is not Poland. They won't give her a drain.
Even the Poles, whom Europe has generously sponsored, have not been able to fully upgrade their aircraft. And no one was going to sponsor Ukraine, at most in debt.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And no one was going to sponsor Ukraine, at most in debt.

There is nothing to repay debts, they borrow money from the IMF, and then you will also have to pay for scrap.

[bobba94]

Poland's GDP 2019 - $ 560 billion Ukraine's GDP 2019 - $ 112 billion No, they won't ...

[HAM]

A transparent hint has been made: the British will build ships and bases, the Americans will throw planes, and the Ukrainians will eat dumplings and scratch their belly ....... mlyn .... dreams, dreams ...
. ". to buy" --- isn't it funny yourself?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: HAM

A transparent hint is made: the British will build ships and bases, the Americans will plant planes, and the Ukrainians will eat dumplings and scratch their belly.

They are not being pumped up with weapons to "scratch their belly."
The invested funds must be worked out on the "Eastern Front" ...

"War against Russia to the last Ukrainian" - no one changed this thesis.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: BDRM 667

"War against Russia to the last Ukrainian" - no one changed this thesis.

no, they will not fight. These are all kinds of scumbags, but few are ready to die for chimeras. I think so. Not all of them are chubby idiots ...

[Boris Chernikov]

they will not scratch, but swallow and far from dumplings ... because this pleasure costs money

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

and the Ukrainians will eat dumplings and scratch their belly ....... mln .... dreams, dreams ..

No dumplings, no belly. They will eat "for attention" and scratch their heels.

[Cat]

Poland has only one positive experience - how to dissolve the Eurolochs for $ 300 billion in (almost) gratuitous aid.

[paul72]

Yeah. Only F-16 is not enough for Hutsuls for complete happiness

[Cat]

American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying on such aircraft

Gee-gee, while there are dreamers in Ukraine to ride a Bugatti, pilots can forget about their wet dreams.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

while in Ukraine there are dreamers of riding a Bugatti, pilots can forget about their wet dreams.

And I think the dream is achievable. Ukrainian pilots will still be able to fly the F-35 in 40 years, when they will be scrapped. Well, if you don't fly, then at least they will sit in the cabins.

[Cat]

40 years from now, when they will be scrapped

Not a fact, dreaming of sitting in the cockpit, for example, the B-52 seems to wait a long time

[ankir13]

Why would a priest accordion? Slice fat, wave a censer, develop an agricultural superpower! Aircraft? And once you had planes, you had ships and missiles, but they passed ... so lard, hay, straw, and hemp (that is, cannabis, free)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ankir13

Slice fat, wave a censer, develop an agricultural superpower! Aircraft?

Canola instead of bananas.

[Cowbra]

Dengi come on! Give Dengi! - how Ostap-Suleiman-Berta-Maria-Bandar-Bey yelled

[Vovk]

I will cite the original article https://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/ukraina-planiruet-zakupit-eskadrilyu-amerikanskih-1603693331.html.

The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine plans to purchase a squadron of American fighters by 2035. At the same time, Ukraine is unlikely to be able to create its own combat aircraft in the near future.

This was stated in an interview with RBC-Ukraine by the Commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Sergei Drozdov.

According to him, it will take at least 10 years and 10 billion dollars to create a prototype of its own combat aircraft.

"Ukraine is unlikely to succeed in creating a combat aircraft - a multifunctional fighter in the near future. For this, we do not, firstly, have an appropriate scientific base, we do not have production capacities, experience. Ukraine can only produce military transport aircraft," Drozdov said.

In this regard, the Armed Forces plans to purchase aviation equipment abroad from partner countries. In particular, it is planned to purchase equipment from the United States.

"We are talking about a single type of multi-role fighter that would subsequently replace all types of Soviet-style combat aviation: fighters, attack aircraft, bombers. Of course, the Air Force would also like to have modern technology, like the American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying such planes ", - said the colonel-general.

At the same time, he added that Poland, despite the fact that they have been an ally of the United States and a full-fledged member of NATO for a long time, has only now managed to start talking about receiving F-35 fighters.

"By the way, the Poles went exactly this way, when they are armed with F-29s next to the MiG-16. Such an experience of Poland would be most acceptable for us: to get a squadron of fighters and put it into service with one of the tactical aviation brigades of the Air Force "- said the Commander of the Air Force.

According to him, there should be no problems with retraining flight personnel, but there are nuances with the technical base, repairs, and airfield technical support.

[Boris Chernikov]

interestingly something else .. he apparently wants to develop his own litak later .. even without thinking that the purchase will kill the semi-dead aviation industry of Ukraine completely ..

[Egoza]

For this, we do not, first of all, have an appropriate scientific base, we do not have production capacities, experience. Ukraine can only produce military transport aircraft, "Drozdov said.

It was all! Only you have profiled everything! And the scientific base, and powerful production, and experience in creating aircraft! You betrayed everything that the Soviet people created! Now "eat - do not crap!"

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Egoza

And the scientific base, and powerful production, and experience in creating aircraft!

There was no design bureau for fighter aviation in the Ukrainian SSR, the only one who was the design bureau of Antonov. Military transport. Part of the USSR. Components from all over the USSR.
So there was nothing to "profuse". Fighter was not originally. Only one kind one KB.

Quote: Egoza

You betrayed everything that the Soviet people created

who betrayed? Do not rush with phrases that are not relevant after 1991, when here and there, some people ... destroyed the USSR. And they blame Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vovk

The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine plans to purchase a squadron of American fighters by 2035.

So there is something to cut for 15 years. As a result, instead of a squadron, you get a link.

[Alex Nevs]

And loot de? At the waltzman, will he give?

[tihonmarine]

Of course, the Air Force would also like to have modern technology, like the American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying such aircraft

I read an article about US WWII fighters. So it turns out that about 100 units of P-51 Mustangs are mothballed in the USA. A good car, if asked well, the states can give up at a fair price. They are still used in African countries.

[Mavrikiy]

"We use the experience of Poland": Ukraine offered to buy American F-16 fighters

Will the USA give money for the purchase?

[gx200gx]

The reality for Ukraine at the moment is that those few planes that they have cannot contain, simply contain without modernization! And about purchases, these are just wet dreams, nothing more ...

[yehat2]

Ukraine's debt in the summer of 2020 was UAH 2.4 trillion
it is growing at a rate of about UAH 0.5-0.7 trillion per year (0.6 / 3.5 = $ 200 billion)
foreign exchange reserve (and you need to give it in foreign currency, not your own toilet paper) = $ 26.5 billion
hryvnia exchange rate today is about 3.5 for $ 1
Ukraine's foreign exchange reserves are now 8 times less than the annually growing debt and it is only enough to service 1.5 months of government work.
In addition, Ukraine pays interest on loans and has already fallen into such a hole that it cannot even stop the growth of debts.
But, this is nonsense, you have to buy an F-16, you can't do without them! And they also hint that they would like to buy very expensive F-35s. The ones that even Japan and Australia buy only by piece.
Ukrainians, when you crush your rulers, do you understand what they are doing?
Or is Russia also to blame for this?

[ksv36]

Uh-huh. We will catch up and overtake the Merikos in the state. debt. Keep it up!

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: yehat2

Ukraine's debt in the summer of 2020 was UAH 2.4 trillion
it is growing at a rate of about UAH 0.5-0.7 trillion per year (0.6 / 3.5 = $ 200 billion)

total debt external debt domestic debt (mln USD)
as of December 31.12.2018, 78 323,0 2017.8 2.6% 50 462,5% 3.0 27%
as of December 31.12.2019, 84 364,5 6041.6 7.7% 48 -940,8% 3.0 35%
on 31.08.2020 85 099,4 734.8 0.9% 52 846,4% 8.0 -32%
KAAAK ???? It can grow by $ 200 BLN per year ?????????? If it's only 85 billion !!!!
Here are the figures of the Ministry of Finance from the website - 84364,5-85099,4 = 734,9 million dollars increased over the year!
And your growth is $ 200 billion a year ... Cool count ...
that's where all the 146% comes from ...

[yehat2]

you are lost because you are comparing hryvnia and dollars

[Herman 4223]

In the article there is no word to buy, there is a word to get

[venik]

"....The Air Force would also like to have modern technology, like the American F-35, our pilots dreamed to fly on such planes..... "
=======
Until the F-35 - "Wishlist" has not matured! (In your pocket: "a louse on a lasso and a flea on a chain"!) So have while flying on such:

[ksv36]

The first thought came after reading the title: "Oh-oh-oh! Let's practice!"

[xomaNN]

More relevant for uk..r. warrior question- "How and where to buy money ???"

Until then, this is ...

[Ros 56]

And what will you pay with your backside?

[NF68]

What, excuse me, lice, will they buy? So then they also need to be supported, and this business also costs not little money.

[BAI]

like the American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying on such aircraft

Still would. If you fly to Russia on it for a fee, then you can no longer serve or work.

[NF68]

Quote: BAI

like the American F-35, our pilots would dream of flying on such aircraft

Still would. If you fly to Russia on it for a fee, then you can no longer serve or work.

And then, until the end of his life, hide from the same Americans or some other of the American allies.

[Herman 4223]

Pleased with the phrase "get a squadron of fighters", they are not considering the "buy" option.
You can only get a kick in the ass, or the same stuff that someone needs to get rid of, the same thing with weapons for this stuff. And then you still pay for it, because nothing happens for free.

[Astra55]

Perhaps f-16 is too serious.
Maybe while Tucano?

[Constanty]

Nonsense - If Ukraine really used the experience of Poland, it would not have bought the F-16!
This is not the use of someone else's experience - just the same US slavery.

Another thing is that it can always be worse - like us - and buy an F-35.

Maybe when Trump loses and in our PIS we will turn from this dangerous path - I hope!

Better to have a friend in Russia than an enemy!

[iouris]

Ukrovoyska is a Waffen-SS. The Waffen-SS works in the rear against the population without air support.

[yehat2]

Quote: akarfoxhound

in the concept "on the go" - it is technically

no, it's purely economic.
it doesn't matter how it works, it is only important how much of the contract amount can be used to the left.

[Azimuth]

Ukraine has three options, with varying degrees of availability and probability:
1. Production or, more precisely, "screwdriver assembly" with gradual localization of the light supersonic L-15 trainer, the "Chinese Yak-130".
2. Purchase of F-16s from the USA on preferential terms, since there are many of them in reserve, and the rearmament of the National Guard is underway.
3. The most expensive option, following the example of the Czech Republic, is to lease JAS-39 from Sweden. But until the problem of the East is resolved, it will most likely be either impossible or very difficult to do.

Most likely there will be a combination of options 1 and 2. A light TCB with supersonic sound can be used for air defense missions of the country and as a light attack aircraft. A heavier American fighter, if upgraded to a modern level, can also be used against our MiG-29, Su-27/35, it is clear only as a deterrent, otherwise the Ukrainian Air Force will cease to exist as a branch of the military at all , and as a fighter bomber, since the American in its latest modifications is a full-fledged multifunctional fighter.

[Growlers]

"We use the experience of Poland" for licking intimate parts of the United States

[January]

If I remember correctly, Canada has already tried to present its old f16 to the Square. But Nenka counted the cost of modernization and flight hour and prudently refused.
"Pan Otaman has no gold reserves"

[Turist1996]

According to Drozdov, Ukraine is unlikely to be able to create its own multi-functional fighter, since it takes at least 10 years and $ 10 billion to create a prototype alone, as well as the corresponding scientific base, production and experience that Ukraine does not have.

Amazing for "stale" recognition! But what about "The outskirts is a great aviation derzhava!"
Or not great, not aviation and not even "Derzhava"?
Antonov then boasted! And about "Mriya" then tryndeli - "the world's largest plane - Ukrainian!"
As it turned out, it was not Ukrainian, but Soviet!

[xomaNN]

Here's another uk..r. not bad option, and cheap ...