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"A minute to shoot and change position, three minutes to shoot ammunition": the US Army is offered the Archer howitzer

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"A minute to shoot and change position, three minutes to shoot ammunition": the US Army is offered the Archer howitzer

The American army is invited to replenish its ranks with a wheeled howitzer. If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops, since previously they were equipped only with towed and tracked cannons ("Paladins", M119, M777). However, a similar picture is observed in Russia.


BAE Systems on October 19 submitted an application for the supply of the Archer howitzer produced at its facilities in response to a request from the US Army on July 30 for proposals for a 155-mm wheeled artillery system.

Archer is a fully automated armory a system that provides high-precision and versatile fire support for troops in battle

- stated in the official press release.

A potential contractor suggests testing their product early next year at the Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona.

Archer is said to have achieved "the highest level of technical readiness" during its service. Currently, this system is in service with only one country - Sweden (23 units, according to the IISS at the beginning of 2020), where it is actually produced.

According to BAE Systems, Archer is able to start firing 30 seconds after receiving the order. In this case, the calculation of the gun remains inside the armored cabin. After a similar period of time, the howitzer is able to leave its firing position, reducing the enemy's ability to return fire. The ammunition load contains 21 rounds and can be completely fired in about three minutes. The fire is carried out by several types of shells: armor-piercing type BONUS up to 35 km, conventional [apparently OFS] up to 40 km and high-precision (such as Excalibur) over 50 km.

BONUS-type projectiles are divided in flight into two parts with sensor fuses, which search for targets in an area of ​​up to 32 thousand square meters. m.


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  1. lucul
    lucul 20 October 2020 11: 29
    13
    If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops,

    This is the future of artillery, because burying artillery in the ground is in fact drawing a target on yourself.
    1. nonsense
      nonsense 20 October 2020 11: 43
      -9
      :) is it true? These BONUS-type shells with their "sensor fuses" buried and disguised art. the weapons will most likely simply not be found. But these constantly maneuvering (like mandavoshki) Archers will be an excellent target for such projectiles with self-aiming elements.
      1. lucul
        lucul 20 October 2020 11: 49
        +6
        :) is it true?

        Are you saying that buried artillery is a more difficult target than a maneuvering cannon on a wheeled chassis? )))
        No one is shooting with direct fire, except for the tank, only shooting from closed positions.
        1. nonsense
          nonsense 20 October 2020 11: 52
          -2
          exactly. To hit buried artillery, you need a direct hit. (for the rest see above).
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 20 October 2020 11: 56
            +2
            Quote: nespich
            To hit buried artillery, you need a direct hit.

            If only you bury it 2 meters underground. In other cases, this is what happens:
            1. nonsense
              nonsense 20 October 2020 12: 03
              -2
              here we see a direct hit on a non-disguised (which made it possible to use an external, with a UAV, guided munition guidance) MLRS launcher. How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).
              1. lucul
                lucul 20 October 2020 12: 07
                +3
                How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).

                Duplicate myself darling:
                Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? The Americans handed such military units to / in Ukraine to the Ukrainians - it detects quite accurately the location from where the cannon / mortar was fired, and within a couple of minutes a response arrives there. So buried artillery is a great target if you open fire.
              2. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 20 October 2020 12: 16
                +1
                And who will shoot? Change the position? Move? Are you offering to sit in disguise for the entire fight? Then it is better not to leave the base, the ACS will be ideally protected in the caponier.
                You need to complete a combat mission, i.e. shoot. The first shot and all of your disguise goes to one place. The UAV can see the muzzle flame for tens if not hundreds of kilometers, ground-based radars and computers will detect artillery for tens of kilometers.
                After the first shot, just 1-3 minutes to change position, before the arrival of the response. And it will be smart projectiles, conventional projectiles are too expensive if we are talking about the United States.
                1. nonsense
                  nonsense 20 October 2020 12: 36
                  -5
                  Well, is there any sense in "smart projectiles" if the equipment is buried? (and external target designation from the UAV / aircraft is not performed - the air defense is working) - there is no contrasting target for them (noticed by their "brains").
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 October 2020 15: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: nespich
                    Well, is there any sense in "smart projectiles" if the equipment is buried? (and external target designation from the UAV / aircraft is not performed - the air defense is working) - there is no contrasting target for them (noticed by their "brains").

                    Specifically, these smart shells, even for buried equipment, will work fine.

                    Don't worry though, for a moving target too. Especially if these are machines like the Archer, with limited cross-country ability relative to tracked vehicles.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 20 October 2020 16: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  The first shot and all of your disguise goes to one place.

                  It depends on how to build combat work. The counter-battery did not appear yesterday, and they began to learn to counteract it back in the First World War.



                  Shot simulators, SHIRAS, nomadic guns, dispersed battle formation, counterfire maneuver.
                  Suppression and destruction of enemy radar stations, covering routes of movement with corner reflectors, in the future, covering the area of ​​fire with aerosol curtains
                  Complex work ...
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 October 2020 15: 40
                +4
                Quote: nespich
                How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).

                There is no contrast only if they have completely calmed down

                Even just in preparation for firing, it is already necessary to start either the engine or the hole
                And, for example, on 2S19 APU is a turbine
                Plus RTR. A self-propelled battalion in the area of ​​fire in a dispersed battle formation is a lot of radio stations. Which work and are fairly easy to identify. Plus Doppler radars for determining the deviation of the initial speed

                When firing, they detect almost reinforced concrete.
                ARSOM radar, by sound, by the flash of a shot and / or torch "torch", on the way seismic methods
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 20 October 2020 13: 37
        0
        Quote: nespich
        :) is it true? These BONUS-type shells with their "sensor fuses" buried and disguised art. the weapons will most likely simply not be found. But these constantly maneuvering (like mandavoshki) Archers will be an excellent target for such projectiles with self-aiming elements.

        Yes, the shells may not be detected, but if the dug-in art is found (no matter what and how), the blow will be delivered by a land mine. And plotted by coordinates.
  2. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 20 October 2020 11: 39
    +3
    These self-aiming ammunition (armor-piercing BONUS) are similar in concept to tornadoes and to those in the RBK-500 cluster bomb, with self-aiming elements. 2 multidirectional wings for rotation (and scanning), concave or "convex" foreparts indicate the principle of hitting "shock core".
    Looks like a good thing if the West is trying to do the same.
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 20 October 2020 12: 02
      +3

      This is how Soviet / Russian SPBE look like
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 11: 41
    -2
    And what is the breakthrough future in the performance of a cannon on an automobile chassis? A good gun, it will get stuck in the mud at once, the accuracy is good, especially with the expensive Excalibur, what's the catch from the armor-piercing at 35 km is not clear
    1. lucul
      lucul 20 October 2020 11: 47
      +6
      And what is the breakthrough future in the performance of a cannon on an automobile chassis? A good gun, it will get stuck in the mud at once, the accuracy is good, especially with the expensive Excalibur, what's the catch from the armor-piercing at 35 km is not clear

      Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? The Americans handed such military units to / in Ukraine to the Ukrainians - they quite accurately spot the place from which the cannon / mortar was fired, and within a couple of minutes a response arrived there. So buried artillery is a great target if you open fire.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 11: 52
        +3
        Quote: lucul
        within a couple of minutes already arrives there

        I heard and felt. And with a clear counter-battery fight - two minutes is a lot. I am for an SPG on a tracked chassis. The car chassis does not have sufficient cross-country ability, although it is much cheaper
        1. lucul
          lucul 20 October 2020 11: 54
          +1
          I am for an SPG on a tracked chassis. The car chassis does not have sufficient cross-country ability, although it is much cheaper

          So they would say right away)))
          And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
          I have nothing against the tracked chassis.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 20 October 2020 12: 07
            +2
            Quote: lucul
            And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
            I have nothing against tracked chassis

            Quote: lucul
            And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
            I have nothing against tracked chassis

            I have nothing against it either. But not a single army of the world in peacetime will go over to them at one hundred percent. Optimally, in my opinion, in peacetime, half are self-propelled vehicles with armor, twenty percent - self-propelled chassis for self-propelled vehicles and thirty percent on tugs.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 20 October 2020 11: 59
          -1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          I'm for an SPG on a tracked chassis

          A theater issue. In our conditions, the wheels reduce the cross-country ability, where they are fighting it is not important. On the contrary, public roads are harder to use.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 October 2020 15: 44
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar?

        E .....
        Acoustics is one thing
        Radar is completely different.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          20 October 2020 19: 24
          +1
          All one field is a berry - the electromagnetic spectrum is laughing
      3. bk316
        bk316 20 October 2020 16: 58
        +1
        Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? Such in / in Ukraine the Americans handed over to the Ukrainians -

        Have you heard. This miracle was done by the Russian artillerymen in 1909 and in the First World War they already used laughing True, it is more correct not to use the word "radar" in this case. And the 404 had things from the USSR and better, such as ARK-1

        That's why they have such a low rate of fire. 7 rounds per minute record of our unit
        when firing from 2A36 without any automation at all.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 October 2020 18: 34
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          And the 404 had things from the USSR and better like ARK-1

          Strictly speaking, sound systems were developed by Odessa. Under the USSR
          Therefore, Russia had to practically renew its "competence" in order to provide the Defense Ministry with the warm-sound "Penicillin" 1B75.
          And if it were not for the collapse of the USSR, then now the armament would already have complexes of sound-heat-seismic reconnaissance
  4. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 October 2020 11: 43
    +1
    Three minutes is good, only further in this direction many ears will listen and the next volley from another place will be interrupted in half a minute.
  5. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 October 2020 11: 59
    +3
    An entertaining device.
    1. stalki
      stalki 20 October 2020 12: 43
      +4
      Yes, an interesting and quite mobile complex. Well done Swedes.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 October 2020 15: 50
        +5
        Quote: stalki
        Yes, an interesting and quite mobile complex. Well done Swedes.

        No question, well done.
        Persistent in their "special path", which severely restricts the combat capabilities of the weapon for the sake of originality.
        "Three minutes - to shoot ammunition" not because of the record rate of fire, but because the ammo is microscopic. laughing
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 October 2020 16: 58
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          "Three minutes - to shoot ammunition" not because of the record rate of fire, but because the ammo is microscopic.

          By the way, yes. In our country, the 2S7M can also theoretically shoot the entire ammo being transported in 3,2 minutes. smile
        2. bk316
          bk316 20 October 2020 17: 03
          +1
          \ not because of the record rate of fire

          By itself! Where is the record rate of fire? 7 rounds per minute ......
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 October 2020 18: 29
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            Where is the record rate of fire?

            They also have a very original and also stupid self-propelled gun on the Bandkanon 1A.
            14 shots in 48 seconds.
  6. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 20 October 2020 12: 32
    +2
    Archer is said to have achieved "the highest level of technical readiness" during its service. Currently, this system is in service with only one country - Sweden (23 units, according to the IISS at the beginning of 2020), where it is actually produced.
    Well done, of course the Swedes - it seems that the country is neutral, has not been at war with anyone for a long time, and regularly issues new items in military affairs. In addition to the Archer, one can recall the first Visby stealth corvettes, or the first submarine with the Gotland VNEU.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 20 October 2020 13: 06
    +3
    Archer is a fully automated weapon system that provides highly accurate and versatile fire support to troops in battle

    - stated in the official press release.

    All this is of course good, but why then two deals with the purchase of Archer howitzers by Norway and Croatia failed? At the same time, Norway generally declares unspecified non-fulfillment of operational requirements in accordance with the contract, while the norgs themselves participated in the Archer project
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 20 October 2020 13: 41
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Archer is a fully automated weapon system that provides highly accurate and versatile fire support to troops in battle

      - stated in the official press release.

      All this is of course good, but why then two deals with the purchase of Archer howitzers by Norway and Croatia failed? At the same time, Norway generally declares unspecified non-fulfillment of operational requirements in accordance with the contract, while the norgs themselves participated in the Archer project

      We saw that the Americans pay for any Papelans, and their budget is completely "rubber", so they are trying to sell wink
  8. Bolo
    Bolo 20 October 2020 14: 43
    -1
    And in autumn or spring, in mud and slush or in deep snow at -30, will it be so fast too, grandchildren of the barbarossa?
    1. bk316
      bk316 20 October 2020 17: 04
      0
      And in the snow and mud it will move with each shot and you can immediately forget about 40 km.
  9. Old Bolshevik
    Old Bolshevik 20 October 2020 23: 30
    -1
    Barrel artillery and mortars are already the last century. As well as floating coffins (aircraft carriers). In the world of high-precision missiles and hypersound, they look like war elephants on the battlefields of the XNUMXth century.
  10. Demagogue
    Demagogue 21 October 2020 09: 57
    0
    Quote: lucul
    If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops,

    This is the future of artillery, because burying artillery in the ground is in fact drawing a target on yourself.


    The key here is the time before the shot after receiving the coordinates. The UAV sees the target and throws off the coordinates to the self-propelled gun, which automatically aims and fires in 30 seconds with modern systems. If the target is mobile, this is very important. They strive to reduce the time before the shot to a minimum. Therefore, a queue lined up for the Korean howitzers.
  11. mongol9999
    mongol9999 22 October 2020 08: 05
    0
    And how will such mobility save you from loitering ammunition?