"A minute to shoot and change position, three minutes to shoot ammunition": the US Army is offered the Archer howitzer

The American army is invited to replenish its ranks with a wheeled howitzer. If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops, since previously they were equipped only with towed and tracked cannons ("Paladins", M119, M777). However, a similar picture is observed in Russia.

BAE Systems on October 19 submitted an application for the supply of the Archer howitzer produced at its facilities in response to a request from the US Army on July 30 for proposals for a 155-mm wheeled artillery system.

Archer is a fully automated armory a system that provides high-precision and versatile fire support for troops in battle

- stated in the official press release.

A potential contractor suggests testing their product early next year at the Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona.

Archer is said to have achieved "the highest level of technical readiness" during its service. Currently, this system is in service with only one country - Sweden (23 units, according to the IISS at the beginning of 2020), where it is actually produced.

According to BAE Systems, Archer is able to start firing 30 seconds after receiving the order. In this case, the calculation of the gun remains inside the armored cabin. After a similar period of time, the howitzer is able to leave its firing position, reducing the enemy's ability to return fire. The ammunition load contains 21 rounds and can be completely fired in about three minutes. The fire is carried out by several types of shells: armor-piercing type BONUS up to 35 km, conventional [apparently OFS] up to 40 km and high-precision (such as Excalibur) over 50 km.

BONUS-type projectiles are divided in flight into two parts with sensor fuses, which search for targets in an area of ​​up to 32 thousand square meters. m.

BONUS

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[lucul]

If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops,

This is the future of artillery, because burying artillery in the ground is in fact drawing a target on yourself.

[nonsense]

:) is it true? These BONUS-type shells with their "sensor fuses" buried and disguised art. the weapons will most likely simply not be found. But these constantly maneuvering (like mandavoshki) Archers will be an excellent target for such projectiles with self-aiming elements.

[lucul]

:) is it true?

Are you saying that buried artillery is a more difficult target than a maneuvering cannon on a wheeled chassis? )))
No one is shooting with direct fire, except for the tank, only shooting from closed positions.

[nonsense]

exactly. To hit buried artillery, you need a direct hit. (for the rest see above).

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: nespich

To hit buried artillery, you need a direct hit.

If only you bury it 2 meters underground. In other cases, this is what happens:

[nonsense]

here we see a direct hit on a non-disguised (which made it possible to use an external, with a UAV, guided munition guidance) MLRS launcher. How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).

[lucul]

How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).

Duplicate myself darling:

Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? The Americans handed such military units to / in Ukraine to the Ukrainians - it detects quite accurately the location from where the cannon / mortar was fired, and within a couple of minutes a response arrives there. So buried artillery is a great target if you open fire.

[OgnennyiKotik]

And who will shoot? Change the position? Move? Are you offering to sit in disguise for the entire fight? Then it is better not to leave the base, the ACS will be ideally protected in the caponier.
You need to complete a combat mission, i.e. shoot. The first shot and all of your disguise goes to one place. The UAV can see the muzzle flame for tens if not hundreds of kilometers, ground-based radars and computers will detect artillery for tens of kilometers.
After the first shot, just 1-3 minutes to change position, before the arrival of the response. And it will be smart projectiles, conventional projectiles are too expensive if we are talking about the United States.

[nonsense]

Well, is there any sense in "smart projectiles" if the equipment is buried? (and external target designation from the UAV / aircraft is not performed - the air defense is working) - there is no contrasting target for them (noticed by their "brains").

[Lopatov]

Quote: nespich

Well, is there any sense in "smart projectiles" if the equipment is buried? (and external target designation from the UAV / aircraft is not performed - the air defense is working) - there is no contrasting target for them (noticed by their "brains").

Specifically, these smart shells, even for buried equipment, will work fine.

Don't worry though, for a moving target too. Especially if these are machines like the Archer, with limited cross-country ability relative to tracked vehicles.

[Lopatov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The first shot and all of your disguise goes to one place.

It depends on how to build combat work. The counter-battery did not appear yesterday, and they began to learn to counteract it back in the First World War.



Shot simulators, SHIRAS, nomadic guns, dispersed battle formation, counterfire maneuver.
Suppression and destruction of enemy radar stations, covering routes of movement with corner reflectors, in the future, covering the area of ​​fire with aerosol curtains
Complex work ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: nespich

How about a real disguised and lightly armored SG? Yes, you will be tortured to look for them, and self-aiming elements (as above in the picture) cannot be applied to them at all - there is no contrast with the surface, either radar or thermal).

There is no contrast only if they have completely calmed down

Even just in preparation for firing, it is already necessary to start either the engine or the hole
And, for example, on 2S19 APU is a turbine
Plus RTR. A self-propelled battalion in the area of ​​fire in a dispersed battle formation is a lot of radio stations. Which work and are fairly easy to identify. Plus Doppler radars for determining the deviation of the initial speed

When firing, they detect almost reinforced concrete.
ARSOM radar, by sound, by the flash of a shot and / or torch "torch", on the way seismic methods

[Svetlana]

Quote: nespich

:) is it true? These BONUS-type shells with their "sensor fuses" buried and disguised art. the weapons will most likely simply not be found. But these constantly maneuvering (like mandavoshki) Archers will be an excellent target for such projectiles with self-aiming elements.

Yes, the shells may not be detected, but if the dug-in art is found (no matter what and how), the blow will be delivered by a land mine. And plotted by coordinates.

[DAQ]

These self-aiming ammunition (armor-piercing BONUS) are similar in concept to tornadoes and to those in the RBK-500 cluster bomb, with self-aiming elements. 2 multidirectional wings for rotation (and scanning), concave or "convex" foreparts indicate the principle of hitting "shock core".
Looks like a good thing if the West is trying to do the same.

[DAQ]

This is how Soviet / Russian SPBE look like

[KVU-NSVD]

And what is the breakthrough future in the performance of a cannon on an automobile chassis? A good gun, it will get stuck in the mud at once, the accuracy is good, especially with the expensive Excalibur, what's the catch from the armor-piercing at 35 km is not clear

[lucul]

And what is the breakthrough future in the performance of a cannon on an automobile chassis? A good gun, it will get stuck in the mud at once, the accuracy is good, especially with the expensive Excalibur, what's the catch from the armor-piercing at 35 km is not clear

Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? The Americans handed such military units to / in Ukraine to the Ukrainians - they quite accurately spot the place from which the cannon / mortar was fired, and within a couple of minutes a response arrived there. So buried artillery is a great target if you open fire.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: lucul

within a couple of minutes already arrives there

I heard and felt. And with a clear counter-battery fight - two minutes is a lot. I am for an SPG on a tracked chassis. The car chassis does not have sufficient cross-country ability, although it is much cheaper

[lucul]

I am for an SPG on a tracked chassis. The car chassis does not have sufficient cross-country ability, although it is much cheaper

So they would say right away)))
And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
I have nothing against the tracked chassis.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: lucul

And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
I have nothing against tracked chassis

Quote: lucul

And then I thought you were an adherent of artillery buried in the ground)))
I have nothing against tracked chassis

I have nothing against it either. But not a single army of the world in peacetime will go over to them at one hundred percent. Optimally, in my opinion, in peacetime, half are self-propelled vehicles with armor, twenty percent - self-propelled chassis for self-propelled vehicles and thirty percent on tugs.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I'm for an SPG on a tracked chassis

A theater issue. In our conditions, the wheels reduce the cross-country ability, where they are fighting it is not important. On the contrary, public roads are harder to use.

[Lopatov]

Quote: lucul

Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar?

E .....
Acoustics is one thing
Radar is completely different.

[Eugene-Eugene]

All one field is a berry - the electromagnetic spectrum is

[bk316]

Have you heard about the mortar (acoustic) radar? Such in / in Ukraine the Americans handed over to the Ukrainians -

Have you heard. This miracle was done by the Russian artillerymen in 1909 and in the First World War they already used True, it is more correct not to use the word "radar" in this case. And the 404 had things from the USSR and better, such as ARK-1

That's why they have such a low rate of fire. 7 rounds per minute record of our unit
when firing from 2A36 without any automation at all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: bk316

And the 404 had things from the USSR and better like ARK-1

Strictly speaking, sound systems were developed by Odessa. Under the USSR
Therefore, Russia had to practically renew its "competence" in order to provide the Defense Ministry with the warm-sound "Penicillin" 1B75.
And if it were not for the collapse of the USSR, then now the armament would already have complexes of sound-heat-seismic reconnaissance

[evgen1221]

Three minutes is good, only further in this direction many ears will listen and the next volley from another place will be interrupted in half a minute.

[A. Privalov]

An entertaining device.

[stalki]

Yes, an interesting and quite mobile complex. Well done Swedes.

[Lopatov]

Quote: stalki

Yes, an interesting and quite mobile complex. Well done Swedes.

No question, well done.
Persistent in their "special path", which severely restricts the combat capabilities of the weapon for the sake of originality.
"Three minutes - to shoot ammunition" not because of the record rate of fire, but because the ammo is microscopic.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Spade

"Three minutes - to shoot ammunition" not because of the record rate of fire, but because the ammo is microscopic.

By the way, yes. In our country, the 2S7M can also theoretically shoot the entire ammo being transported in 3,2 minutes.

[bk316]

\ not because of the record rate of fire

By itself! Where is the record rate of fire? 7 rounds per minute ......

[Lopatov]

Quote: bk316

Where is the record rate of fire?

They also have a very original and also stupid self-propelled gun on the Bandkanon 1A.
14 shots in 48 seconds.

[Stirbjorn]

Archer is said to have achieved "the highest level of technical readiness" during its service. Currently, this system is in service with only one country - Sweden (23 units, according to the IISS at the beginning of 2020), where it is actually produced.

Well done, of course the Swedes - it seems that the country is neutral, has not been at war with anyone for a long time, and regularly issues new items in military affairs. In addition to the Archer, one can recall the first Visby stealth corvettes, or the first submarine with the Gotland VNEU.

[APASUS]

Archer is a fully automated weapon system that provides highly accurate and versatile fire support to troops in battle

- stated in the official press release.

All this is of course good, but why then two deals with the purchase of Archer howitzers by Norway and Croatia failed? At the same time, Norway generally declares unspecified non-fulfillment of operational requirements in accordance with the contract, while the norgs themselves participated in the Archer project

[ZEMCH]

Quote: APASUS

Archer is a fully automated weapon system that provides highly accurate and versatile fire support to troops in battle

- stated in the official press release.

All this is of course good, but why then two deals with the purchase of Archer howitzers by Norway and Croatia failed? At the same time, Norway generally declares unspecified non-fulfillment of operational requirements in accordance with the contract, while the norgs themselves participated in the Archer project

We saw that the Americans pay for any Papelans, and their budget is completely "rubber", so they are trying to sell

[Bolo]

And in autumn or spring, in mud and slush or in deep snow at -30, will it be so fast too, grandchildren of the barbarossa?

[bk316]

And in the snow and mud it will move with each shot and you can immediately forget about 40 km.

[Old Bolshevik]

Barrel artillery and mortars are already the last century. As well as floating coffins (aircraft carriers). In the world of high-precision missiles and hypersound, they look like war elephants on the battlefields of the XNUMXth century.

[Demagogue]

Quote: lucul

If a potential agreement is implemented, this type of weapon will become a novelty for the US troops,

This is the future of artillery, because burying artillery in the ground is in fact drawing a target on yourself.

The key here is the time before the shot after receiving the coordinates. The UAV sees the target and throws off the coordinates to the self-propelled gun, which automatically aims and fires in 30 seconds with modern systems. If the target is mobile, this is very important. They strive to reduce the time before the shot to a minimum. Therefore, a queue lined up for the Korean howitzers.

[mongolian9999]

And how will such mobility save you from loitering ammunition?