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"Why do we need Zumwalt": the US press summed up the first missile firing from a stealth destroyer

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Several years have passed since the commissioning of the first Zumwalt-class destroyer, which was supposed to be a demonstration of the most advanced technological solutions of the American defense industry. However, he still has not become a full-fledged combat unit of the US Navy, continuing to undergo "adaptation" to weapons systems installed on board the ship.


The rocket flew, but where?


On October 19, the military department published footage of the first rocket firing, which was performed by USS Zumwalt, the firstborn of the project. An SM-2 missile from the Mk 57 VPU was used as an ammunition. According to the official report, the missile successfully intercepted a simulated anti-ship missile without giving details about the characteristics of the target [as, however, did not demonstrate its defeat].

The SM-2 is the standard ammunition for Arleigh Burke-class pennants equipped with Aegis. This family of shells should become one of the main missile weapons used on the Zumwalt stealth destroyers. However, their use from this type of ships was impossible due to incompatibility with the combat system of the destroyer TSCE. Therefore, a special version of the missile, the SM-2 Block IIIAZ, was developed specifically to adapt the missile defense system with the carrier.

But it is now unclear how effectively the missiles will be targeted. The fact is that initially it was planned to install two different "paired" radars on the Zumwalts, the "spike" of which received the designation DBR (Dual Band Radar - "dual-band radar"). But in view of the economy, the destroyer was equipped with an AN / SPY-3 radar.



Why do we need "Zumwalts"


This indicates the extremely limited capabilities, especially the combat potential, which this ship possesses more than four years after its transfer [the fleet]

- writes The War Zone (USA).

Since 2016, the ship cannot become a full-fledged combat unit. Only in April of this year its combat [control] systems were activated. It was only in May that he fired the first shots from the 30 mm Bushmaster II cannon [equipped with two guns instead of a pair of 57 mm gun mounts due to economy]. After the recent first missile salvo, it is now unclear when he will start firing his 155mm gun. It is possible that this will never happen, since the Navy decided to refuse to buy them due to, according to The War Zone, "an almost absurd amount."

The savings also affected the stealth of the ship. The cockpit was fitted with protruding antennas that impair its stealth performance.

All this has repeatedly raised questions about the real usefulness of the Zumwalt-class ships purchased by the Navy in the amount of only three units. The total cost of the program for these three ships and their underlying technologies is now more than $ 26 billion [...] Whatever operational role these three ships play in the future, it remains to be understood

- sums up The War Zone.

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  1. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 20 October 2020 08: 53
    11
    Silly. Serdyukov or Chubais should be rented to them for another year. They will quickly justify the need, and the prompt application, and the estimate, and they will also tell you where to order something cheaper. As a result, it is true that there will be no ships or a budget, but these are little things in life)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 October 2020 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Serdyukov or Chubais should be rented to them for another year.

      Yes, in a couple of years they will turn the United States into Guinea Bissau.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 20 October 2020 11: 32
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: oleg123219307
        Serdyukov or Chubais should be rented to them for another year.

        Yes, in a couple of years they will turn the United States into Guinea Bissau.

        Not guessing ... first they will reform the dollar, then they will start printing their own. And the whole world will buy them out of habit))
        1. ankir13
          ankir13 22 October 2020 10: 45
          0
          Yeah, red dollars, it's high time, otherwise the green one keeps bending, but bending !!!
    2. halpat
      halpat 20 October 2020 09: 15
      15
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Silly. Serdyukov or Chubais should be rented to them for another year. They will quickly justify the need, and the prompt application, and the estimate, and they will also tell you where to order something cheaper. As a result, it is true that there will be no ships or a budget, but these are little things in life)

      gee gee. laughing
      Chubais and Serdyukov are a clean kindergarten compared to the guys from the Pentagon, 26 yards of dollars for 3 troughs unusable for anything, 2 trillion. rubles ...
      And we must clearly imagine that this is only one project, which cannot even be called the tip of the iceberg for cashing the American budget into private pockets.
      Neither the red-haired nor the stool had ever dreamed of this.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 20 October 2020 11: 42
        +1
        I agree with you, they will spend the same amount on searching for the possibility of using and finding working equipment, then, as always, they will rest against the software, on which they will spend the same amount laughing
        1. Temples
          Temples 21 October 2020 13: 48
          0
          The residents of Russia and the rest of the world will work out the loot, selling resources for candy wrappers.
          So that all the Americans are great. They are conducting experiments while the whole world is working on them.
          And the Chubais of different countries ensure the submission of states;
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 October 2020 11: 49
        -1
        Quote: Halpat
        Chubais and Serdyukov are a clean kindergarten compared to the guys from the Pentagon, 26 yards of dollars for 3 troughs unusable for anything, 2 trillion. rubles ...

        You were right when you said 26 lards for a trough: so Ryzhiy and Taburetkin will make them a price of 100 lards, only 74 will be put into their pockets. So, if the Pentagon guys were as dexterous as Serdyukov, then the staff members would have flown Farman and Wright long ago, and walked the seas on Indian pies.
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 October 2020 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: Halpat
        26 yards dollars for 3 troughs unusable for anything, 2 trillion. rubles ...

        well why, 800 green one shot from a gun ... laughing
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 20 October 2020 09: 38
      +7
      Serdyukov and Chubais are a nursery group in a kindergarten, compared to the Washington guys who lobby for the interests of arms manufacturers. In the US, it is not the military and not the engineers who determine what kind of weapon is needed, but the military-industrial complex is the lobby. That is why the "Zamvolta" or "Ford" type aircraft carriers are being adopted, although the naval ones did not want them. F - 35 is generally a song with a chorus. The main thing is that it was more expensive, efficiency and other parameters - much later))))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 October 2020 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: TermNachTER
        In the US, it is not the military and not the engineers who determine what kind of weapon is needed, but the military-industrial complex is the lobby.

        I completely agree with you about the Americans, but if you take Russia, then here, just Serdyukov and Chubais and their comrades are the Russian military-industrial complex lobby. "Here was Taburetkin, and now an economist, and without going far but looking at Wikipedia Serdyukov economist, current state advisor of the Russian Federation, 1st class. Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC Rostvertol; Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation, Vice-President of the Russian Engineering Union. - so it's not a lobby at all, or a lobby? And also the United Shipbuilding Corporation and the United Engine Corporation. Yes, the state people will never be able and they will not be allowed to create such monsters under one lobbyist. Here they are still children of preschool age in comparison with us.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 20 October 2020 12: 39
          +1
          Let's compare, in billions of dollars, how much was wasted by Moscow and how much by Washington. Of course, adjusted for the difference in military budgets.
          1. RealPilot
            RealPilot 21 October 2020 15: 44
            -1
            Wasted dollars so that it dazzles in the eyes wassat

            It is called an iron because of its shape, but in general, this is the coolest suitcase without a handle! Even what they wanted was not loaded into it ... And they cannot use it. It's hard to bear, but it's a pity to leave ...

            This is for the best, gentlemen, for the best wink

            PS: There is still where to make money! Those who will cut this entire series will weld on precious metals and other valuable components ...
    4. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 20 October 2020 10: 07
      +1
      Serdyukov or Chubais they need to rent
      Here they are and such as they just need the Americans in Russia for direct sabotage and damage to the country. And in the United States, there are plenty of people who take on multibillion-dollar military projects, which in a few years are closed as unnecessary and futile.
    5. Kart
      Kart 21 October 2020 10: 39
      -1
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Silly. Serdyukov or Chubais should be rented to them for another year. They will quickly justify the need, and the operational application, and the estimate,

      These former comrades are children in comparison with those overseas in terms of cutting budgets.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 20 October 2020 08: 55
    +2
    All this has repeatedly raised questions about the real usefulness of the Zumwalt-class ships purchased by the Navy in the amount of only three units. The total program cost for these three ships and their underlying technologies is now more than $ 26 billion [

    This is no longer a technological project, but a real advertising one.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 20 October 2020 09: 06
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      This is no longer a technological project, but a real advertising one.

      Experience, even negative, is also an expensive acquisition. hi
      1. Kart
        Kart 21 October 2020 10: 40
        -1
        To tears.
        Immediately I remember howling and hysterics here on the website of the fighters against the regime for any slightest reason of the Russian military-industrial complex.
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 October 2020 08: 56
    +4
    If you look at the deck of this iron, what is it made of? Is this also a stealth coating? Something on the deck of a 30 year old barge filled with concrete looks like something is wrong here!
    1. Well done
      Well done 20 October 2020 09: 11
      +5
      It's concrete, but tricky. It is made of nano sand, tolerant gravel and democratic sand from US beaches. Therefore, the price is a billion. They and their Serdyukovs heaps. laughing
      1. Kart
        Kart 21 October 2020 10: 42
        -1
        Serdyukov nervously smokes around the corner of the MO headquarters.
        So sharks are worse.
  4. engineer74
    engineer74 20 October 2020 09: 08
    +3
    Whatever operational role these three ships will play in the future remains to be understood.

    Well said! good
    During the construction process, what definitions did not sound like "warship of the future", "global dominance in the ocean", "replacement for aircraft carriers" laughing
    Recently here an article was about Zumwalt's support for the landing ...
    And in the end: "We built, built and finally built ... Now what to do with THIS ???" request
    1. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 20 October 2020 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: engineer74
      We built, built and finally built.

      Abdullah - set it on fire!
      1. vVvAD
        vVvAD 20 October 2020 09: 35
        +2
        Well what can I say: they wanted a revolutionary ship - they got it. But the price turned out to be such that it was more expedient to build ships of already existing series. The cost of the same high-precision active-rocket projectiles was of the same order of magnitude as the Tomahawks, with an incomparable difference in the range of destruction. They overloaded the power-to-weight ratio for railguns, lasers and other promising samples of energy-consuming weapons ... which are not there. Etc. etc. In short, the prodigy was "ahead of her time" - in the worst sense of this expression wassat
  5. BIABIA
    BIABIA 20 October 2020 09: 12
    +4
    It was necessary to build something Hollywood-futuristic, master the budget, show the coolness to the world. They built, showed. But in fact, Burke and Ticonderogs will be the main striking force for another hundred years.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 October 2020 09: 14
    +2
    Missile pods are longer on Sumvolts than on Burks.
    Therefore, they can be used for missiles that are currently in development.
    And the Berks won't be able to shoot them.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 20 October 2020 18: 27
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Missile pods are longer on Sumvolts than on Burks.
      Therefore, they can be used for missiles that are currently in development.
      And the Berks won't be able to shoot them.

      Isn't the MK41 modular? And that's all, I found an article about the Mk-57 ...
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 October 2020 09: 22
    +1
    Such an impression of the deck soon: I went on deck, there is no deck! The deck fell into the hold! wassat
  8. Phoenix
    Phoenix 20 October 2020 09: 53
    +1
    The role is not operational, but sacrificial. Zumwalt is a victim of the incompetence of the Navy leadership. Let's remember where it started - absolutely invisible, with a rail gun, with lazy turrets as CIWS, with a landing hangar ... And the Shvets, and the reaper, and the gamer on the pipe. In the end, they played well on the “Duda”, with the rest, as usual, it did not work out because of high expectations. The American military-industrial complex adores such "bold" ideas and habitually picks up the price.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 20 October 2020 12: 04
      -1
      Reminds the commander as the mrii voiced their own and in the end zilch.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 October 2020 10: 01
    +2
    Since 2016, the ship cannot become a full-fledged combat unit ... This speaks of the extremely limited capabilities, especially the combat potential, that this ship has
    Four years later, the Americans began to ask questions that should have stood and resolved before the design of the ship. Although the main task of "assimilating" money by the American military-industrial complex has been completed.
  10. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 20 October 2020 11: 32
    +1
    Americans are so rich that they can afford such experiments. They firmly believe in the triumph of engineering, even if it is not run in. They will run in and, according to the results, may be abandoned, like the F-117. "Zamvolt" is a very progressive ship and not only in hull contours. Quick-change modules allow for prompt repairs, also, modules can change some of the ship's characteristics, an integrated information system with a very powerful computer creates the prerequisites for using AI to assess the situation and develop optimal solutions. If the concept does not justify itself, they will write it off, maybe they will attract someone, although ... Aren't there few concepts, either from us or from them, "took off"? The same "Sotka" or "Valkyrie" ...
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 20 October 2020 13: 41
      0
      Why, everything will take off perfectly. Just not in this building. It was more of a solution that was developed, and not a specific vessel. How much they spent on lasers and railguns.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 October 2020 00: 20
      +1
      You forgot two more 3.8 MW generators. This is a floating power plant.
      Therefore, a rail electric gun and lasers will still be installed on it.
      When they are rolled and finished on the shore.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 21 October 2020 09: 07
        0
        It will not be enough. Well, an additional LM2500 would be relied on for these purposes. And this is so, to indulge in anti-drone lasers.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 October 2020 09: 19
          0
          Anti-drone - 30-40 kW, approx.
      2. Kart
        Kart 21 October 2020 10: 45
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, a rail electric gun and lasers will still be installed on it.
        When they are rolled and finished on the shore.

        Until they bring it in and roll it in, this vessel will either rot or break.
        But by the way, really - if there is money, especially extra money, then why not build it. Some technologies worked out anyway, someone made money. Almost everyone is fine.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 October 2020 11: 27
          +1
          If the States have a sea and air clash with China, then the Americans will have to throw all the ships into battle. And then the Sumvolts will be tested in action.
          If there are peaceful years, then - yes - they will be written off in ... tse years. This is the fate of many unique large ships. Show off, but not fight. And Peter the Great, and many others.
    3. Phoenix
      Phoenix 21 October 2020 13: 27
      0
      Words about prompt repair are at odds with practice. The ship spent a lot of time in repairs due to a breakdown of the new power plant. Modularity is not about quick repair, it is about quick sawing. The practice of "modularity" all over the world has already shown that it is impossible to use it in practice as stated during development.
  11. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 20 October 2020 13: 39
    0
    And what a great R&D. On a grand scale worthy of its former glory. Which just needs to be returned. Again.

    The idea itself is correct. A ship of a fundamentally new class, almost based on new physical principles. Actually, armata is a zumvolt from tank building, the meaning is the same.
    1. Kart
      Kart 21 October 2020 10: 48
      -1
      Only the price is a little different ...
      Well, the future may not lie with huge uber-ships with hundreds of people on board, but, on the contrary, with small, but extremely autonomous, high-speed and unmanned vessels with only 3-4 missiles on board. Or even one (but this is perhaps too much).
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 21 October 2020 12: 19
        0
        Well, to whom the pearls are small, to whom the soup is liquid ...
  12. Andylw
    Andylw 21 October 2020 14: 37
    0
    come on, we have been playing our pot frigate, ordinary by world standards, for 8 years, we could not put it into operation!
    not for us to scoff at amers!