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Rada deputy: Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?

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Recently, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an interview with the BBC that Ukraine has become a partner of the North Atlantic Alliance with expanded capabilities, calling NATO the guarantor of security. But not everyone agrees with the president's opinion, because such close cooperation with the alliance can turn the country into a battlefield between the United States and Russia.


This was stated by the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the party "Opposition Platform for Life" Renat Kuzmin on his Facebook page.

We have already become NATO partners with enhanced “capabilities. We are going to NATO. NATO is about security in our region.

the Ukrainian president proudly announced.

Renat Kuzmin expressed concern about Ukraine's insistence on joining NATO. Moreover, Zelensky's words this time are confirmed by deeds. In March this year, Rada deputies from the Servant of the People and European Solidarity parties passed a law allowing NATO exercises to be conducted in the country at least throughout 2020 without interruption. In addition, this year for the first time in modern stories Ukraine hosted strategic flights aviation USA over Ukrainian territory.

In this regard, Kuzmin asks the question:

What can B-52 strategic bombers train over Ukrainian cities?

The deputy recalled that most of the world conflicts began with an armed provocation. In his opinion, American bombers may well commit provocative actions that could lead to a war between the two nuclear powers. And in this case, Ukraine will become the epicenter of their struggle.

Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States? Or do you think that then the epicenter of hostilities will be somewhere far away?

- Kuzmin remarked reasonably.


Since September 14, US Air Force B-52 bombers have been allowed constant patrolling of Ukrainian airspace.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 19 October 2020 09: 40
    20
    Renat Kuzmin expressed concern about Ukraine's insistence on joining NATO.

    There are still adequate ones .. but they are less and less.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 19 October 2020 09: 45
      20
      but there are less of them.



      And they cannot change the course of the suicidal policy of the Square.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 19 October 2020 13: 06
        +5
        Quote: Doccor18
        but there are less of them.



        And they cannot change the course of the suicidal policy of the Square.

        In Ukraine there are still those who are asking the question of the fate of their country in the event of a nuclear conflict between the United States and Russia. There are no such people in Europe. They do not understand that there is a difference between the words "bridgehead" and "target" - the flight time of a missile with a nuclear warhead. And then - a meeting with Eternity ...
        1. VoroncoV
          VoroncoV 19 October 2020 15: 11
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          In Ukraine there are still those who are asking the question of the fate of their country in the event of a nuclear conflict between the United States and Russia. There are none in Europe. They do not understand that the difference between the words "bridgehead" and "target" is the flight time of a missile with a nuclear warhead. And then - a meeting with Eternity ..

          This is how the soldier Alexei .. Always amazed European countries how they easily agree to the deployment of offensive weapons on their territory .. After all, they will not even have time to get scared under the first most powerful blow .. What they hope is not clear.
          1. krot
            krot 19 October 2020 19: 34
            +3
            The Sumerians are still competing over who will betray and sell us, all Russians (regardless of nationality), in the war with the Anglo-Saxons, stronger and more tangibly.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 19 October 2020 09: 47
      14
      Ukraine has long been a testing ground for orange revolutions and hybrid wars. Now next in line real war and the Ukrainians most likely do not understand this if they hold this stupid rabble in power. fool
      1. Machito
        Machito 19 October 2020 10: 20
        +9
        Independent Ukraine, as a woman with low social responsibility, sold its land and sky to the USA in the truest sense of the word. In Ukraine, the issue of legalizing prostitution (selling one's women) is being discussed. You can also put the fifth points of men and children on organs for sale. In general, everything is the same as under the Third Reich, but non-staleness.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 October 2020 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: Proxima
        Now a real war is next, and the Ukrainians most likely do not understand this if they keep this stupid rabble in power

        And what can ordinary Ukrainians, ordinary people - Khataskrayniki do? Moreover, the number of Russophobes there, who consider Russia an aggressor, is constantly growing. And "Maidan" needs organizers, external political, informational and financial support. Where can I get all this? The Russian government will not agree to the organization of a full-scale "Maidan", but the American government has already done its job.
      3. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 19 October 2020 12: 01
        +5
        To all UNNECESSARY condemning ALL Ukrainians
        Many smart people, both in Russia and in / in Ukraine, spoke about such "brilliant prospects" before 2014. But this was not heeded neither in / in Ukraine, nor in Russia! Including the Russian authorities, who COULD change the situation by supporting the anti-Maidan and many reasonable people of Ukraine (without support, the Ukrainians themselves were weak in the betrayal of their power and the POWERFUL support of the Bandera supporters of the United States and the West). But the Russian authorities did not support, limiting themselves to the return of Crimea and limited support for Donbass, in fact, they gave up. And many in Russia still do not understand this: after all, it is so pleasant to think badly about others, but about oneself only good! And they fiercely scold ALL the inhabitants of Ukraine (conditionally Ukrainians) for khataskraynism, "forgetting" that there was Antimaydan ALL OVER NOVOROSSIA (east and south of Ukraine), which was beaten and burned, killed !!!yes yes yes
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 12: 38
          +4
          Yea Yea. And hang on yourself a 40 million insatiable, always dissatisfied herd, and so that now this herd would reproach Russia for the fact that if Russia had not dispersed the "rotting revolution", then now Ukraine would already be part of the EU, and Ukrainians would now receive 3000 euros salary and a thousand euros of pensions. We know you perfectly, ungrateful non-brothers. We remember perfectly well how in 1991 you shouted that you were feeding the entire Union, and "if we secede, we will become the second France."
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 19 October 2020 12: 46
            -2
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Yea Yea. And hang on yourself a 40 million insatiable, always dissatisfied herd, and so that now this herd would reproach Russia for the fact that if Russia had not dispersed the "rotting revolution", then now Ukraine would already be part of the EU, and Ukrainians would now receive 3000 euros salary and a thousand euros of pensions. We know you perfectly, ungrateful non-brothers. We remember perfectly well how in 1991 you shouted that you were feeding the entire Union, and "if we secede, we will become the second France."

            If you are from Russia, then your comment is an excellent confirmation of my previous commentary and the truth that there would be zhlo and khataskrayniki not only in / in Ukraine, but also in Russia. I just think that you are that "officer's daughter" who writes from Ukraine and crawls out of her skin to embroil Russians and Ukrainians! yes laughing
            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 13: 23
              -3
              In fact, I am a native Russian, I was born in the RSFSR, I have never been to Ukraine and I am not going to visit.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 19 October 2020 14: 38
                +1
                Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                In fact, I am a native Russian, I was born in the RSFSR, I have never been to Ukraine and I am not going to visit.

                "A native Russian" ... Russians are DIFFERENT! There are Russians Makarevich and Akhedzhakova, and there were Magomed Nurbagandov and Arsen Pavlov. Maybe you are the same Russian as Sobchak and Navalny, you VERY love the West, but hate Russia and Russians? And you really want to embroil the Ukrainians with the Russians? And how can you know Ukrainians, if you yourself declare that you have never been to / in Ukraine and are not going to visit? By the way, Ukraine is not a bad country and there is something to see in it after visiting. It generally has a lot of useful things!
                Well, if you are not an "officer's daughter", it means that you are simply not a very smart Russian man in the street - a khataskraynik and zhl .., capable of feats only in Runet!
                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 15: 10
                  -1
                  Don't write nonsense. In 2014, the Benderites Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Tyagnibok, Yarosh and other scum received over 80% of the votes, while the Ukrainians who voted for them knew their program very well, and if they voted for them, therefore, they shared their Bendery views. In the same way, in 2019, the Benderaites Poroshenko and Zelensky entered the second round, the Ukrainians happily galloped up to vote for these Russophobes. So there is no need to rub in here that the alleged Bendera in Ukraine is a minority. As it says in the B of the Bible, "judge them by works." Zelenskiy has clearly expressed his Russophobic views in his campaign.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 19 October 2020 15: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    Don't write nonsense. In 2014, the Benderites Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Tyagnibok, Yarosh and other scum received over 80% of the votes, while the Ukrainians who voted for them knew their program very well, and if they voted for them, therefore, they shared their Bendery views. In the same way, in 2019, the Benderaites Poroshenko and Zelensky entered the second round, the Ukrainians happily galloped up to vote for these Russophobes. So there is no need to rub in here that the alleged Bendera in Ukraine is a minority. As it says in the B of the Bible, "judge them by works." Zelenskiy has clearly expressed his Russophobic views in his campaign.

                    Arguing with ... not smart people is a useless business and a waste of time. EVERYTHING becomes clear if you CAREFULLY follow the events and study according to the RELIABLE data. But for this you need to have a desire and mind! Goodbye, you are out of time.
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 15: 51
                      -3
                      For me, the results of the elections, where the first 6 seats are occupied for the second time by Nazis and Russophobes, are precisely the facts that reinforced concretely indicate that 90% of Ukrainians are Russophobes and Bendera.
                  2. Egor-dis
                    Egor-dis 20 October 2020 16: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                    In 2014, Bendera's Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Tyagnibok, Yarosh and other rabble received over 80% of the votes
                    If Hitler, Mussolini and Franco are the presidential candidates, who will you vote for?
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 20 October 2020 16: 47
                      -2
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      If Hitler, Mussolini and Franco are the presidential candidates, who will you vote for?

                      Don't juggle. There were quite normal candidates, the same Boyko for example. Although he is, of course, cunning, like Yanukovych, after all, he is a former regionalist, and obviously, in case of victory, he would start trying to sit on two chairs at once, but not a frostbitten Nazi and Bendera.
                      1. Egor-dis
                        Egor-dis 20 October 2020 18: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        Don't juggle. There were quite normal candidates, the same Boyko, for example.
                        And I am not distorting. I see, even after 6 years, some people still do not realize that a fascist coup has taken place in Ukraine and that there can be no other candidates there in principle. Normal candidates, REALLY normal, and not like the opportunist Boyko, were eliminated at the stage of candidate registration. Therefore, the whole essence of Ukrainian fascist democracy boils down to voting for analogs of the above-listed characters. So who will you vote for? And no difference! Even if you don’t vote at all, you, in accordance with your own logic, are a fascist, a Russophobe and a Bandera member.
          2. Cananecat
            Cananecat 19 October 2020 18: 20
            +1
            Kuzya, do you remember 90-91 years in Russia? I remember ... I remember grocery stamps and empty store shelves. I remember the queues at the meat departments for tails and bones ... and I was at that time twice in Ukraine. There was everything in the shops ... and we sucked a paw with Turkish tea ...
            Immediately after the partition, they really did not live very badly, but only immediately after the partition.
            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 18: 37
              +1
              I remember very well. They lived after the collapse of the USSR, they lived a LITTLE well, because Russia took over all the debts of the USSR, and Ukraine left the USSR ABSOLUTELY without debts, with a rich Soviet legacy, but the Sumerians managed to skip everything in a couple of years and rolled back even further, although they shouted that in 5 years they will live like the French and the Germans. I remember the disgusting Kravchuk leaflets, where he cited statistics where the RSFSR allegedly "robbed the Ukrainian SSR", and where he called the Ukrainian SSR "a colony of the RSFSR", and wrote that if Ukraine separates from Russia, the Ukrainians will live like the Germans and French.
              And I remember the second half of the 80s, in the RSFSR there was even a ball in the shops, but there was everything in the shops of the Ukrainian SSR, the residents of Belgorod went to Kharkov to buy sausage and toilet paper, it seemed close, but since Belgorod was in the RSFSR, then there there was nothing, but in Kharkov there was everything. And the Kharkovites spitefully said that "Russian drunkards and lazy people, they eat our sausage, and they can't even make toilet paper". In Lvov, in general, as in the Baltics it was, that is, EVERYTHING WAS !. And naturally, the Ukrainians sincerely believed that they were feeding the entire Union, while the Russians were unable to do anything. They still have this stereotype, they still think of themselves as "sluggish".
              1. Egor-dis
                Egor-dis 22 October 2020 08: 30
                -1
                Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                And the Kharkovites spitefully said that "Russian drunkards and lazy people, they eat our sausage, and they can't even make toilet paper"
                And naturally, the Ukrainians sincerely believed that they were feeding the entire Union, while the Russians were unable to do anything.

                And how are you different from them now? In the same way, you are yelling now "why hang on yourself 40 million of the population." Despite the fact that a sickly part of this population is already successfully working for the economy of the Russian Federation. And in exactly the same way, you imagine yourself to be "great", who decided that from the height of your sofa, you can teach other peoples and nations.
        2. smel
          smel 19 October 2020 15: 16
          -2
          But we helped Erdogan. The skin was saved. A useless gas pipeline was built for our money. For our money, we are building a nuclear power plant. Yes, and the S-400 was loaned. And he to us ... Eh. !!! Forgotten, apparently, and the plane, and the ambassador !!!
          There the previous writer has a rhetorical question:
          And what can ordinary Ukrainians, ordinary people - Khataskrayniki do?
          For many, the question is similar: what can the Russians do? - will cause a flurry of indignation. My conviction, in spite of this flurry, is NOTHING. The recent elections have demonstrated this. And the collapse with the current state of the coronavirus is another confirmation of this.
          All that remains is to remember what you have lost
    3. Rubi0
      Rubi0 19 October 2020 09: 50
      14
      The usual pre-election rhetoric to get to the trough. There are no adequate deputies in the ruin, all of them are independent and defend their capital.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 19 October 2020 09: 50
      +8
      Quote: Svarog

      There are still adequate ones .. but they are less and less.

      How adequate he is! Adaptive and "offended" by the previous government. Couldn't Petya be accused of anything else?
      In January 2017, he called on the head of the SBU Vasily Gritsak to initiate a criminal case of high treason against President Petro Poroshenko and top managers of the Roshen company, since the Lipetsk factory owned by the company financed the Russian army by paying taxes, which the president accused of participating in the armed conflict on east of the country.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 19 October 2020 10: 01
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        How adequate he is! Adaptive and "offended" by the previous government.

        Yes, everyone is like that, but it is important that sound thoughts sound and the more there are, the better for everyone. I think sound thoughts need to be supported from whoever they come from.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 19 October 2020 18: 13
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          Yes, everyone is like that, but it is important that sound thoughts sound

          hi
          Something did not notice the manifestations of common thoughts among Svidomo (except for the statements of Rabinovich), but fantasies and verbal shit - do not count. Recently, the lands of Russia before Vladivostok became small, it turns out that the Belarusians are also wrong Ukrainians:
    5. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 19 October 2020 09: 55
      +8
      Quote: Svarog
      There are still adequate ones .. but they are less and less.

      And the question is: Rada deputy: Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?, apparently will hang in the air.

      The people to whom he is primarily addressed is silent, crushed by the terror of the Nazis, the authorities, in fact the Nazis themselves, are aimed at fulfilling the instructions of the external regional committee ...

      The voice of one crying ... Like water in sand in a waterless desert.
    6. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 19 October 2020 10: 19
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: Svarog
      Renat Kuzmin expressed concern about Ukraine's insistence on joining NATO.

      There are still adequate ones .. but they are less and less.

      Well this is the Opposition Bloc. Ex. regionals. What else can they say besides criticizing the actors *?
      As for me, it was their opinion (the Russian Federation is not our enemy, but a friend) that was shared by most of Ukraine, including myself, became mistaken and led the nationalists to victory in everything, including language.
      Crimea and the proxy war in CADLO became a tough shower for the supporters of the Russian Federation, the TS and everything that is connected with Russian.
      For us, Russia hit us hard in the rear, destroying the Russian in us.
      After that, we realized that nothing good could be expected from Russia.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 19 October 2020 10: 27
        14
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        After that, we realized that nothing good could be expected from Russia.

        Well, expect good things from the United States and the European Union .. Wait when you are sent to war with us. Really, for 30 years they did not understand that in unity with Russia the strength is not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. It is naive to believe that the West will make Ukraine a full-fledged partner, they need you as a slave to power and as a territory for a springboard.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 19 October 2020 10: 37
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: Svarog
          Well, expect good things from the US and the European Union

          those are the same. Actually there are no others on Earth. Everyone looks after their interests.
          After all, in many ways, everyone understands that the EU and the United States are temporary allies only because the goals are approximately similar, but not similar, and that is not always and not in everything.
          Good can only come from yourself. Alas, the neighbors are all greedy and are waiting for weakness to snatch. It has always been and always will be. A little bit of confusion, just neighbors.
          Quote: Svarog
          It is not possible that for 30 years they did not understand that in unity with Russia, strength is not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia.

          It would have been so in the Kremlin that they would have understood that the capture of Crimea and the proxy war would force all Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine (and this is a large part), as it were, to say censorship ... to stop being loyal to everyone connected with the Russian Federation. And from the largest Russian-speaking country in the world - to become the biggest enemy of Russia. No Maidan could do that. But the Kremlin could.
          Quote: Svarog
          It is naive to believe that the West will make Ukraine a full-fledged partner, they need you as a slave, power and as a territory, for a bridgehead

          certainly understandable. We have little to offer them. The economy is weak and there are few consumers.
          But without the support of the West, Ukraine would not have survived 2015. A proxy war would destroy the entire country.
          And the military organization and the north wind did everything to make it happen. And the status quo has come to the plans of one and the other neighbors // partners.
          But the fact remains that the Russian Federation gave Ukraine itself on a silver platter - by its own efforts, destroying all Russian and all trust / loyalty / neutrality in Russians and Ukrainians, but having amused itself with our Krym and Donbass / Russian world.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 19 October 2020 11: 21
            +1
            But without the support of the West, Ukraine would not have survived 2015. A proxy war would destroy the entire country.

            1993 Kravchuk - Ukraine will not last a year without the help of the IMF !!!
            2003 Kuchma - Ukraine cannot live without the help of the IMF
            2013-th year Yanukovych - Ukraine cannot without a loan of 3 billion

            Thieves have hung the country with debts like noodles !!! And now, under the slogan "Ukraine can no longer do it, it cannot do it ..." - they want to put another financial noodle on the ears of Ukrainians !!!

            Dear you for France, worry where the descendants of the crusaders, the Muslims cut their heads in their homeland !!! Today France is a country in which it is quietly going - a religious war is smoldering !!!


            How much can you lie ???? Who can't hold out ??? Look how many Ukrainians buy in any of the supermarkets !!! Look at what Ukrainians are now driving !!! And what houses do they live in now !!!
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 October 2020 13: 28
              +8
              Quote: Selevc
              1993 Kravchuk - Ukraine will not last a year without the help of the IMF !!!
              2003 Kuchma - Ukraine cannot live without the help of the IMF
              2013-th year Yanukovych - Ukraine cannot without a loan of 3 billion

              I remembered ...

              1991 year. Ukraine is independent, freed from the "Soviet oppression". Ukrainians are ready to build a bright future, go to Europe and be free from the damned mos ... lei.
              1993 year. Kravchuk spread corruption and destroyed the economy. After a series of strikes, he agrees to an early presidential election.
              1994 year. Leonid Kuchma wins the elections. Ukrainians are again ready to build a bright future, go to Europe and be free from damned mos ... lei.
              year 2001. Kuchma spread corruption and ruins the economy. Rada is trying to declare impeachment, but Kuchma remains in office.
              2004 year. Elections. Orange Revolution. Victory (as a result) of Viktor Yushchenko.
              2005 year. Viktor Yushchenko is the president of Ukraine, and Yulia Tymoshenko is his prime minister. Ukrainians are again ready to build a bright future, go to Europe and be free from damned mos ... lei.
              2010 year. Yushchenko threw corruption and ruins the economy. Yanukovych becomes president of Ukraine. Ukrainians are still ready to build a bright future, go to Europe and be free from damned mos ... lei.
              2014 year. Yanukovych threw corruption and ruins the economy. Euromaidan, the overthrow of Yanukovych. Ukrainians are still ready to build a bright future, go to Europe and be free from damned mos ... lei.

              Some kind of deja vu ...
              Look how many Ukrainians buy in any of the supermarkets !!! Look at what the Ukrainians are driving now !!! And what houses do they live in now !!!
              Are they still building a bright future or have they already built it?
              Have you already come to Europe?

              I don’t ask about mos ... lei - since they haven’t gone anywhere, they are still the only culprits of the Ukrainian “lack of freedom”.

              For 29 years, Ukraine has gained only one freedom - from its own brains.
          2. maktub
            maktub 19 October 2020 12: 37
            -7
            On the downside, I see that the truth expressed in person (from our point of view) is at odds with the Russian worldview
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 19 October 2020 13: 15
              +3
              Quote: maktub
              On the downside, I see that the truth expressed in person (from our point of view) is at odds with the Russian worldview

              He who is not in dreams is against us. hi
              Since 1996, they have been catching your dead utyrkov in the mountains, what have you forgotten here?
              And 2002?
              And 2008?
              True, she is one, the Ukrainians began to fight with Russia on its territory at the end of the last century.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 October 2020 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          It is naive to believe that the West will make Ukraine a full-fledged partner, they need you as a slave to power

          In the 90s they tried to convince us of "partnership" - we swam, we know ...
          A certain lady, who was known for her anti-Sovietism and who was called the "iron lady", openly stated about that "partnership"
          In Russia, no more than 50 million population should remain to service the mines and mines, and the territory and resources should be fairly distributed among the key countries of the world community.

          By the way, when the devils finally cleaned it up, many of us grieved so much that on Channel One they even changed the program schedule, canceling some good film (now I don't remember which one) and inserting a documentary-laudatory film about this the ideological heiress of Hitler.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 19 October 2020 14: 08
            +5
            A certain lady, who was known for her anti-Sovietism and who was called the "iron lady", openly stated about that "partnership"
            In Russia, no more than 50 million population should remain to service the mines and mines, and the territory and resources should be fairly distributed among the key countries of the world community.

            The saddest thing is that everything is moving towards this. Judging by the demographics.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 19 October 2020 10: 45
        14
        You do not confuse the cause with the effect. The Nationalists won in 2014. And the consequence of this was the return of Crimea to Russia and the civil war in the Donbass. Before the nationalists and their accomplices came to power, everything was calm.
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 19 October 2020 10: 51
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: 1976AG
          Nationalists won in 2014

          From the temporary victories of the nationalists in Kiev (and there were several of them), little has changed in people's loyalty. By the way, the Russian Federation from the Maidans is always in the black (while Ukraine is in the red). The main thing is not to interfere, they will gnaw each other there themselves and crawl to Moscow. So it was with the first Maidan and the nationalists. Yushchenko did not get even 5%. And he was displaced. And we hate the whole country.
          But Crimea and Donbass are something serious and the nationalists have long been pushed out (almost immediately).
          We do not confuse the cause with the effect. The victory of the nationalists was at times. More precisely, until the first move on the laws. They were dared in elections. They only added loyalty to the Russian Federation.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 19 October 2020 10: 58
            12
            The victory of the nationalists was temporary ??? During this "temporary" victory, they managed to send militants to clean up the Crimea and Donbass, as well as to burn people in Odessa!
            1. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 20 October 2020 23: 28
              0
              This is Niel-le-Calais, in an amicable way, it would be worth sending to the ban. Judging by the way it writes, this is not the first freshness emigrant in the service in one of the cyber centers of the Washington regional committee.
      3. nnm
        nnm 19 October 2020 11: 03
        15
        And you don't want to remember your actions for many previous years before the retribution in 2014? Blackmail by the fleet, searches of cars and attempts to take away lighthouses, and when you there Bandera was called a hero for the first time, remind? And whose air defense crews were in Georgia? Or how did you make those who openly fought against us in Chechnya as deputies? How did you ascribe the "poisoning" of Yushchenko to us, how they stole gas from our pockets, or we forced you to gallop even before any Crimea, promising us Gilyaks .... which I can recall, otherwise I look, pretend to be innocence itself.
        So, dear non-brothers - first look in the mirror, and then hang about the insults.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 October 2020 12: 44
        +8
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        As for me, it was their opinion (the Russian Federation is not our enemy, but a friend) that was shared by most of Ukraine, including myself, became mistaken and led the nationalists to victory in everything, including language.
        Crimea and the proxy war in CADLO became a tough shower for the supporters of the Russian Federation, the TS and everything that is connected with Russian.
        For us, Russia hit us hard in the rear, destroying the Russian in us.
        After that, we realized that nothing good could be expected from Russia.

        What a selective and rare nonsense!
        You yourself made your choice when you voted against the preservation of the USSR and in order not to "feed" all the republics with Ukrainian sausage, but to eat it alone, you went on the run. into independence, naively believing that literally in three years of "independence" you will begin to live as in Switzerland or in France. Yeah. Steel. Sausage is the measure of Ukrainian happiness! Maybe remember that it was Kuchma who made the phrase "Ukraine not Russia" your foreign state policy, and stealing became an internal policy. All the following years, your "vlada" was busy with the debunking of what was inherited from the Union, simultaneously loading the population of Ukraine with debts from the IMF. Answer the question yourself - what did the imaginary independence give to the common people of Ukraine? Didn't you have the opportunity to speak and study in Ukrainian? Was. Couldn't you wear embroidered shirts? Yes, even around the clock! Within the framework of the union, not only Crimea was your own, but also Sakhalin and Kamchatka. The entire space from Lviv to the Far East was not only ours, but yours as well.
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        It would have been so in the Kremlin that they would have understood that the capture of Crimea and the proxy war would force all Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine (and this is a large part), as it were, to say censorship ... to stop being loyal to everyone connected with the Russian Federation. And from the largest Russian-speaking country in the world - to turn into the biggest enemy of Russia ......... But the fact remains that the Russian Federation gave Ukraine itself on a silver platter - by its own efforts, destroying everything Russian and all trust / loyalty / neutrality in Russians and Ukrainians. But having amused ourselves with our Krym and Donbass / Russian world.
        Should you cry for Crimea while the Americans and Europeans have already taken away almost the whole country from you? You just live in this territory and for the most part want to leave this country, which has won common sense, to any other. So - "Having lost their head through their hair, they don't cry." Russia did not take Crimea away, but at the request of the Crimean people, who, unlike you, did not want to lie under the Americans. I think you will consistently become not only Russophobes, but also Romanian-Hungarian-Polish-Rusophobes, because over time other territories will also leave you.
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        We have little to offer them. The economy is weak, there are few consumers. But without the support of the West, Ukraine would not have survived 2015. A proxy war would destroy the entire country.
        Yeah, they supported))) You give out the "help" of the West for the good of not understanding one simple thing, namely that all these years you have been competently and methodically put a financial stranglehold on your neck and the only thing that still supports the West is a stool on which you stand with a noose around your neck and then with one hand, so that it does not collapse ahead of time, and with the other hand he fumbles through your pockets to collect all your expenses. Your debt has already reached 90% of GDP. Upon reaching a debt of 100% of GDP, all of Ukraine will have to work for a whole year to pay off the debt, but at the same time it will not be possible to spend a single hryvnia on itself. At the same time, you, under their external control, destroyed your entire industry and economic ties. How will you give your debts to your "assistants"? They are not Russia, they will not forgive the debt.
      5. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 19 October 2020 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        destroying the Russian in us.

        So there was nothing of this in you, they pretended to be Russians.
      6. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 19 October 2020 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        After that, we realized that nothing good could be expected from Russia.

        laughing Well, wait from the US or the EU. They know how to deal with local natives. He has extensive experience, ranging from colonial possessions around the world and ending with "their" Indians in the United States. They will help ... to foul up faster.
      7. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 20 October 2020 13: 30
        0
        You take on a lot, my dear. Speak for yourself. No need to "knock".
  2. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 19 October 2020 09: 47
    +3
    did it finally come to something that had been clear for years .... how?
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2020 09: 50
    14
    ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?
    Those who are in power in Ukraine and the Nazis are not just ready, but even anticipating this, experiencing incredible delight that this can happen. Ukrainian insanity on the basis of Russophobia has already crossed all possible limits and is only growing. This country is not only lost to Russia today, but also poses a real threat of a major provocation on the verge of a local war.
    1. kit88
      kit88 19 October 2020 10: 08
      16
      All these Russophobes, shouting at every corner that they are "at war" with Russia, that in case of aggression Russia will choke with a flood of coffins, that the valiant Bandera army will easily take Moscow, in reality, even thoughts do not admit that a real war with Russia is possible. With Russia, whose army is not the first in strength, but definitely not the second on this planet. And Russia can sweep Ukraine off our globe in a couple of days. What will happen next (sanctions or not sanctions) should not worry the Banderaites, because they will not see this anymore.
  4. KCA
    KCA 19 October 2020 09: 52
    +8
    The deputy thinks in the right direction, but there will be no confrontation between NATO and the Russian Federation, the territory of Ukraine will become just territory in a couple of hours, and no one will interfere with occupying it for the Russian troops
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 19 October 2020 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: KCA
      The deputy thinks in the right direction, but there will be no confrontation between NATO and the Russian Federation, the territory of Ukraine will become just territory in a couple of hours, and no one will interfere with occupying it for the Russian troops

      Does Russia need it? Their problems are above the roof.
      1. KCA
        KCA 19 October 2020 10: 58
        +7
        Neighbors Nazis is not a problem for Russia? Perhaps I only watch Moscow propaganda channels and news, however, who 100500 times was going to blow up the Crimean bridge and generally commit a complete genocide of Russian-speakers? Yes, he is practically a Moskal, 100 km in a straight
  5. prior
    prior 19 October 2020 09: 56
    +9
    "Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?"

    The question is rhetorical.
    Ukraine is already a testing ground.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 October 2020 10: 04
    +8
    Who decides what? They were even forbidden to buy a Russian vaccine. The minister was summoned to the American embassy, ​​and they were FORBIDDEN! And as for the issues of war and peace - is it something to discuss with Ukrainians?
  7. svp67
    svp67 19 October 2020 10: 09
    +2
    Rada deputy: Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?
    Voice in the wilderness
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 19 October 2020 10: 18
    +2
    Fewer and fewer sane voices from there ...
  9. polk26l
    polk26l 19 October 2020 10: 19
    +5
    "A herd of rams" going to the slaughter, with "goats provocateurs" leading them! This is what the so-called Ukrainian national fascist under-civilization has become! But the salvation of the Ukrainian people is in their hands and, above all, in their heads! Salvation is a return to the bosom of the Russian Empire! The people of Ukraine must clear the government and the country from the fascists-nationalists and turn to Russia, about joining it !!! Otherwise, shameful death!
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 19 October 2020 10: 21
    +6
    If a NATO strategist is flying over Ukraine in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders, then all the exclamations from Kiev are meaningless
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 19 October 2020 10: 38
    0
    "people" is extremely something, someone has chosen! It's up to him, is this what they wanted ???
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 October 2020 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      "people" is extremely something, someone has chosen! It's up to him, is this what they wanted ???


      There the people no longer choose or decide anything, and it’s not the people anymore, so when the whole shobla is kicked out, they take power, then they will be the people ...
      Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 October 2020 13: 44
        +1
        We state that there is something and it hardly coincides with what many of us want.
        Promising people come to power, those who are not previous ones, whom we simply no longer want. And the promising people are not going to do anything for dinner, only this becomes clear a little later.
        There will be new "elections", the same thing will happen! Proven technology.
        What can you change right now?
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 October 2020 13: 51
          +3
          Quote: rocket757

          What can you change right now?


          Unfortunately, nothing, and especially in Ukraine, they have a complete degradation of all levels ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 October 2020 14: 03
            +1
            In general, if we ignore the extremes, the situation is approximately the same everywhere. There are no particularly revealing, positive role models.
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 October 2020 17: 03
              +2
              The question is, what's next? where are we all going and when and where will it explode?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 October 2020 17: 09
                +1
                They would have to survive the elections in stripes, for a start ... and then, as problems arise, we will think and decide.
                The world has lost its staticity, it will roll somewhere, that's for sure.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 19 October 2020 17: 51
                  +1
                  Lost, to put it mildly, Trump destroyed the entire security treaties ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 19 October 2020 19: 41
                    +1
                    It doesn't matter who gets elected there, the naughty will not be weak!
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 19 October 2020 20: 41
                      +2
                      And we always did not care who they elected, so they still cannot understand this ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 October 2020 21: 08
                        +1
                        This is yes. They looked at Zhirinovsky, they suspected something there !!!
                        They didn't realize that when we look at him, we also suspect something!
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 19 October 2020 10: 42
    0
    Already turned. And not only. A more real danger is the ambitious biolaboratory and GMO monsanta. Genetic mutations and infertility from the second generation are not only Roundup, but GMOs.
  13. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 19 October 2020 10: 42
    +3
    The usual pre-election demagogy of a deputy, driven out of the budget trough in order to get the votes of adequate Ukrainians. If the opponents don't say that, they won't even get 3% and will lose their deputy mandates, the last thing they can suck from the budget. In fact, these opponents just as sincerely despise and hate Russia and the Russians, like others from the PES, Servants of the People, BYuT, etc. If it were not for the October 25 elections, this deputy would have been silent in a rag.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 October 2020 10: 44
    +4
    It seems that the United States does not so much want to turn Ukraine into a battlefield between itself and Russia, as it simply dreams to saliva that Ukraine and Russia, starting to butt, ignite a big war in Europe.
  15. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 19 October 2020 10: 50
    +2
    We have already become NATO sex partners with expanded “capabilities.
    We are going to NATO.
    NATO is about sex security in our region.
    the Ukrainian president proudly announced.

    "With whom you lead, with that and ....
  16. nnm
    nnm 19 October 2020 11: 14
    +4
    Quote: Niel-le-Calais
    It would have been so in the Kremlin that they would have understood that the capture of Crimea and the proxy war would force all Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine (and this is a large part), as it were, to say censorship ... to stop being loyal to everyone connected with the Russian Federation.

    It is much better that you, Ukrainians, showed your essence. It is better to have an obvious enemy than "brothers" who are just waiting to lie under the west.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 October 2020 11: 36
      0
      Quote: nnm
      It is better to have an obvious enemy than "brothers" who are just waiting to lie under the west.

      Do you think that they are just WAITING, and have not ALREADY lay down?
    2. cniza
      cniza 19 October 2020 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      It is better to have an obvious enemy than "brothers" who are just waiting to lie under the west.


      They are already ready to stab in the back ...
  17. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 19 October 2020 11: 18
    +1
    Rada deputy: Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States?
    is there a choice? they don't solve such questions now
  18. svoit
    svoit 19 October 2020 11: 21
    -2
    Quote: Niel-le-Calais
    After that, we realized that nothing good could be expected from Russia.

    This is only with the Nazis of Russia and the Russians not on the way, the rest we consider our brothers and sisters
  19. private person
    private person 19 October 2020 11: 28
    +2
    Since September 14, US Air Force B-52 bombers have been allowed constant patrolling of Ukrainian airspace.

    And it will not work here as with the Malaysian Boeing? After all, the "Buki" has not yet been transferred to the land. That's interesting, many still consider the Ukrainians to be a fraternal people.
  20. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 19 October 2020 11: 34
    +4
    Quote: Proxima
    kraina has long been a testing ground for orange revolutions, hybrid wars. Now the next step is a real war, and the Ukrainians most likely do not understand this if they keep this stupid rabble in power.


    Why don't they understand ... I'm afraid they understand, even too well.
    However, the Ukrainian authorities remember that our leadership calls the population of Ukraine brothers, which, despite all the anti-Russian quirks, only "threatens".
    So they hope. that in case of war, our boys will go into battle with prayers, icons and the sign of the cross, as well as sermons about brotherly love and spiritual bonds ...
    Alas, I am afraid that they are right - our strategists can indeed choose a "humane way of waging war" on the territory of Ukraine, which means that saving the life of every Ukrainian soldier will be paid for with hundreds of lives of our soldiers.
    God grant that I would be wrong ...
  21. RealPilot
    RealPilot 19 October 2020 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Renat Kuzmin expressed concern about Ukraine's insistence on joining NATO.

    There are still adequate ones .. but they are less and less.

    There are still adequate ones, yes!

    But even the most "stubborn" will soon have no choice but to become more adequate ... Not everyone is ready to commit suicide, American strategic bombers over Ukraine are already beyond the bounds!
  22. Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 19 October 2020 12: 09
    +1
    The time has come (already yesterday) to take all the Russian lands of the South-East of Ukraine and return home. to Russia ..... and the rest of the Nazi henchmen of the United States and Britain pinch their tongues so that they sit quietly in their caches and DO NOT yap, because for each of their fascist movements they will receive NOT only a jackal in the face, but also all over the fascist body. .... as in the Great Patriotic War ..... REMIND?
  23. Gunther
    Gunther 19 October 2020 12: 38
    +1
    this clown will be cleaner than a chocolate hare, he will finish off Ukraine, God's chosen Cheburashka sad
  24. cniza
    cniza 19 October 2020 12: 52
    +2
    Are we ready to turn Ukraine into a training ground for military operations between Russia and the United States? Or do you think that then the epicenter of hostilities will be somewhere far away?


    You have already turned it into a testing ground for all kinds of tests, there is still a step left before the war ...
    1. dani
      dani 20 October 2020 13: 04
      0
      I do not know if anyone will read this, but I will write it anyway!
      Well, brothers ...., things are "sparsely" we ourselves are not so far, from Sevastopol to our shores, "a stone's throw", while almost all the big rivers "U-Krajina" flow into "our common puddle", so we do not care WHO, WHEN and HOW TO DESTROY our "CHICKEN COAT" !!!
      Well, to the point - for us, ordinary Bulgarians - Che Ukrainian, Th Rus, Th Belarusians - THIS IS ALL "RUSNATS", THIS IS RUSSIA, THIS IS GRANDFATHER IVAN, THIS IS A BIG BROTHER and now, when the united WEST, these spineless political WILDHOOD, having forgotten the lessons of HISTORY, again began DRANG NACHT OSTEN[i] [/ i], Rangers of the U-Extreme, these foolish, these CLONE PUPPETS, SELL THE LAST that remains from the BROKEN, BROKEN, UNSOLD, The Ukrainian SSR IS THE RUSSIAN SOUL OF ITS PEOPLE !!!!
      THIS IS A "GALACTIC" Vileness and Betrayal, NEITHER PEOPLE, NOR HISTORY, NEVER FORGIVE !!!
      AND YOU BROTHERS, (us too), ARE NOT EASY DAYS ARE WAITING, - BUT I AM SURE: YOUR BUSINESS IS RIGHT, VICTORY WILL BE YOURS !!!!
      I HAVE ONE PRAYER TO THE LORD: YES GOD KEEP THE RUSSIANS AND MORE THAT YOUR TANKS AND NICE GUYS DO NOT STOP ON ELBE A REACH AT LEAST TO LAMANCHE AND A LITTLE MORE AGAIN !!!
      BECAUSE THE ANGLOSAXES DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ELSE VERY STRONG, BUT VERY STRONG ON THE TEETH SO THAT NOT A TEETH IS REMAINED !!!!
      THIS IS OUR FLIGHTS UNDERSTOOD, KILLING THE ANGLOSAK FLYING FORTRESSES AND LIBERATORS OVER OUR BULGARIAN LAND !!!!.
      SO IF WE HAVE FUCKED, THEN YOUR GUYS ARE PACHE !!!
      SUCCESS AND VICTORY. WE ARE BROTHERS WITH YOU !!!
      1. dani
        dani 20 October 2020 13: 40
        0
        Dear Administrator,
        I apologize, did I end up on a Russian or Ukrainian site?
        Or are foreigners not allowed to comment?
        With respect!
  25. iouris
    iouris 19 October 2020 13: 08
    0
    It's too late to ask questions: come out and build! I wish with all my soul: if death, then instant, if the wound is small.
  26. opuonmed
    opuonmed 19 October 2020 16: 18
    +1
    USA and Europe well done people put people in positions of Ukraine who do not care about their people and what will happen to them, let everything at least disappear, and if anything they leave for the USA and live in the EU!
  27. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 October 2020 21: 03
    +1
    The current "government in Kiev" wants to turn the Ukrainian Armed Forces into "sepoys" for the United States. As an example of the relationship of Indian Rajas with Britain - "at home" in the native principality of "Gospodar-Pan" - for Britain, "the shepherd of the flock". For the needs of the "Sahib" (USA), they create armed guards, which the "Sahib" can use as "cannon fodder" on any front ...
  28. aglet
    aglet 20 October 2020 09: 22
    0
    "when two elephants fight, the grass gets the most"
    indian folk wisdom
  29. Growlers
    Growlers 20 October 2020 09: 47
    0
    "The trouble with Ukraine is that it is run by those who do not need it."
    The first president of Ukraine M. Hrushevsky, 1918
  30. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 20 October 2020 14: 49
    0
    Oh, how much can you comment on. And the idibiloid is clear - from the outskirts of the "small vinaigrette" aka Yugoslavia shines "a bright future." Nothing else. Nothing! Nothing at all !. SPLITTING UP!!! And then - "banderlogy on all fours to the tsaritsa". For poppa will bleed too much. And how to help NATA hrenase. "Proud Georgians" ... and not only .... remember.