"Unshakable noon": Germany is working on the scenario of the beginning of a nuclear war

NATO began secret maneuvers in Germany, within the framework of which the scenario of the start of an atomic war is being worked out. According to German media, citing military sources, the alliance member countries are participating in the maneuvers.

The exercise, called Steadfast Noon, which began this week, is taking place in western Germany at an airbase in Nörfenich, North Rhine-Westphalia. During the maneuvers, first of all, the use of aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapon.

According to media reports, German, Dutch, Belgian and Italian fighters are involved in the exercises. It is reported that the exercises are practicing, including the safe transportation of American nuclear weapons from underground storage facilities and the installation of ammunition on the plane. At the same time, it is emphasized that the exercises are conducted without the use of real nuclear weapons.

Concurrently with this exercise, the Resilient Guard exercise is taking place in Büchel, Rhineland-Palatinate, where US nuclear warheads are stored. The main task of these exercises is to practice defense in the event of an attack by a potential enemy.

Military experts note that the likelihood of a nuclear war has grown significantly recently. This was facilitated by the collapse of the INF Treaty, as well as the unwillingness of the United States to extend the START-3 treaty.

Comments

[iouris]

If a fight is inevitable, then ... or "drink first, Fedya."

[Ilya-spb]

The teachings are common and normal.
So are the action plans.

It is not normal for the press to write propaganda about the benefits and norms of using nuclear weapons.

It is not normal for the military and politicians to want to press a button without understanding what the answer will be and what the end will be. The end for civilization.

[iouris]

Quote: Ilya-spb

The teachings are common and normal.

But! The publication of such an exercise is unusual. This is a directional signal. Teachings can turn into war. The war will be fleeting.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Abnormal when the military and politicians want to press the button, not understanding what will be the answer and what will be the end. The end for civilization.

It is triple abnormal when people talk about a war with the use of nuclear weapons (and about ANY war in principle) in Berlin.

Is the effect of the vaccination given in 45 over? Is it time to make a new one?
Again, the "Teutonic spirit" crawled out of decay? Are they not afraid that the Russians will drive him back?

And, by the way, the teachings to the Germans and other Euroshawks need to be conducted not on the use of American nuclear weapons, but on how to survive in a nuclear strike on Germany ...

[credo]

Quote: iouris

If a fight is inevitable, then ... or "drink first, Fedya."

Can you imagine what Gorbachev would answer to such a proposal?
It's easy for me, especially after a monument was erected to him in Germany.

[Real Pilot]

Teaching called Steadfast Noon ("Unshakable Noon") ...

No matter how it turns out Zero Dawn ("Zero Dawn", Horizon) or New Dawn ("New Dawn", Far Cry 5 extra).

Fans of computer games will understand me who played. Moreover, both games are about the self-destruction of humanity. Nuclear weapons including

[fruc]

will have time to take off?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: frruc

will have time to take off?

Maybe they will take off and have time. There will be nowhere to sit.

And it will turn out, as Antoine de Saint-Exupery said

Pilots don't die, they fly away forever.

They will fly over the radioactive desert until the kerosene runs out.

[Operator]

After the start / end of a local nuclear conflict in Europe, all local clocks will show noon.

PS In a real conflict, the United States will not transfer its tactical nuclear weapons to any of the European countries - so as not to receive our response across the American national territory.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Operator

PS In a real conflict, the United States will not transfer its tactical nuclear weapons to any of the European countries - so as not to receive our response across the American national territory.

Does Europe have at least one chance in a REAL conflict without nuclear weapons? Without a hat, but in essence?
Who will rush to Poland to meet the "Ahressor" on the distant lines? Or Romania? As well as the fact that only there in the storages something will move, neat funnels with a depth of ... 150 meters will appear in their place ...

[Parvis rasulov]

Your France and England have their own nuclear weapons, and in the Eurocorps agree to the treaty between the French and the Germans, Germany can use French nuclear weapons from their carriers of nuclear weapons. But the very fact of conducting such exercises in NATO shows that they are returning to the old doctrine of a nuclear attack, and if they begin exercises on the placement and use of nuclear mines, such as containment, where the laying of vigorous mines played the main role, this is already very serious

[K-612-O]

This is where Germany has nuclear submarines for the use of French missiles? And England doesn't even have its own missiles, American Tridents with American warheads.

[Parvis rasulov]

And here the nuclear submarines finally, the French and the Germans have operational tactical missile systems that have missiles as carriers of nuclear weapons, and secondly, the French have a whole triad of delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons, including bombs that the Germans can use

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Parvis Rasulov

Your France and England have their own nuclear weapons

One such rocket, one country minus like France forever, forever, into oblivion.
Do they need it?

[Aag]

Quote: MKPU-115

Quote: Parvis Rasulov

Your France and England have their own nuclear weapons

One such rocket, one country minus like France forever, forever, into oblivion.
Do they need it?

While he was writing the answer to your comment, he disappeared ... And, then something similar appears again ...
So, according to the first version (where you destroyed France 1Mt, and 3 drowned England): the area of ​​France is more than twice the area of ​​Great Britain!
By the way, the area of ​​Japan is approximately in the middle ..
Compare the areas of the targets, the power of the charges ("Poplar" is in the photo, although it is signed "Yars", and "Baby", "Fat Man" - yes, it must be multiplied by about 20 ...), - the answer will not be so "life-affirming" , as you say ... We have not yet considered the terrain!

[MKPU-115]

Quote: AAG

While writing the answer to your comment, he disappeared ...

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[MKPU-115]

What does the area have to do with the priority of goals on the territory?
You have not been lectured on the concept of using nuclear weapons? Hence such naive questions ...
Here are just some of the answers

[Aag]

"And what's the area ..."
Well, you argued that one missile (15Ж58) would be enough for the complete destruction of France, and a division for the sinking of England.
I say - not enough! Based, at least, from the areas of these countries ...
"You have not been lectured on the concept of using nuclear weapons?
The discipline was called in another way. On real maps it was possible to draw, calculate the affected areas after the use of nuclear weapons at various powers and types (air, ground) nuclear weapons.
In terms of application, - more than one missile is planned for the destruction of especially important targets (warhead, BB, - a lot of options are possible).
"Hence such naive questions ..."
Yes, I didn't ask questions. You.
There is a request. "Cut the sturgeon!" ..)).

[MKPU-115]

Well, guess?
Answer 56

[Rage66]

The relief has a very significant effect on the defeat.
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki showed this.
In Nagasaki, the number of victims was half ...

[Aag]

Quote: Rage66

The relief has a very significant effect on the defeat.
The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki showed this.
In Nagasaki, the number of victims was half ...

So am I about it ...
As an example: specifically at two points 10 km distant from each other, the temperature difference can reach 16 (!) Degrees C, the atmospheric pressure is 10 mmHg! timely launch.

[Aag]

"... neat funnels with a depth of ... 150 meters will appear .."
So far, the deepest crater after the nuclear explosion is 100 meters (a charge weighing more than 200 kg, with a capacity of more than 100 kt, was previously placed in a well for almost 200 meters, USA, Nevada, 1962, Sedan project).

[Crest]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Does Europe have at least one chance in a REAL conflict without nuclear weapons? Without a hat, but in essence?
Who will rush to Poland to meet the "Ahressor" on the distant lines? Or Romania? As well as the fact that only there in the storages something will move, neat funnels with a depth of ... 150 meters will appear in their place ...

This time, Europe won't have any chances .. Enough, we were freed at 45 m, so much gratitude is pouring out we don't have time to wash ... Just a little, right away without hesitation!

[1976AG]

Quote: Operator

After the start / end of a local nuclear conflict in Europe, all local clocks will show noon.

PS In a real conflict, the United States will not transfer its tactical nuclear weapons to any of the European countries - so as not to receive our response across the American national territory.

In a real conflict, we will not care where it came from. Everyone will fly from us.

[Operator]

Strictly according to the situation - if at the beginning of a nuclear conflict we are hit with conventional weapons, then we will respond with nuclear weapons, but only within Europe (with the exception of Britain and France), Japan, South Korea and the international waters of the World Ocean.

And then it will be as the Americans, British and French decide whether to respond to them with a nuclear strike on our territory or not. If they answer, then the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation will perform its trademark technique - a retaliatory strike with a reaction time of 1 minute.

[Aag]

"The Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation will carry out its trademark technique - a retaliatory strike with a reaction time of 1 minute."
Hmm ... branded ... Remind me, please, when it was?
1 minute. This is only for individual launchers (silos, APU) in certain conditions, with a certain way of communicating an order to them (which is not always possible).

[Operator]

The order to start a global nuclear conflict with the use of strategic nuclear forces will be communicated in advance - at the beginning of a local conflict with the use of TNW. It will only require prompt confirmation of the launch of American ICBMs.

[Aag]

Quote: Operator

The order to start a global nuclear conflict with the use of strategic nuclear forces will be communicated in advance - at the beginning of a local conflict with the use of TNW. It will only require prompt confirmation of the launch of American ICBMs.

Something new has appeared in the documents of the Strategic Missile Forces Combat Directorate? Changed channels, BU equipment? How about changing overflights in a changing situation? Or, in your opinion, 1700 deployed nuclear warheads will be enough for everything?

[Operator]

Have you seen the documents of the Strategic Missile Forces BU in case of a local nuclear conflict?

1700 nuclear warheads - the tip of the iceberg. As of 1987, we had 55000.

[Aag]

Quote: Operator

Have you seen the documents of the Strategic Missile Forces BU in case of a local nuclear conflict?

1700 nuclear warheads - the tip of the iceberg. As of 1987, we had 55000.

Are you talking about book 3 or 5?
With local, -VSBG, -exit to field areas (there, with the reaction time, it is even more difficult). Further, not for open press.
Forget what it was! Now, according to open official sources, the parity is 1600/1700 nuclear warheads on deployed carriers. Let the workers, warriors of the Aerospace Forces, the Navy do not be offended, but their vigorous reserves are important only Until a serious batch. What remains for the Strategic Missile Forces? IMHO: - only a blow to the "decision-making center". And only if there is political will, which, unfortunately, I have doubts ...

[HAM]

Hence the conclusion is that it is necessary to beat the source of nuclear weapons ...

[1976AG]

Quote: HAM

Hence the conclusion is that it is necessary to beat the source of nuclear weapons ...

And decision-making centers.

[Uncle lee]

And the one who will decide on the answer has steel balls?
Or express concern?

[Doccor18]

Military experts note that the likelihood of a nuclear war has grown significantly recently.

What's the point in it? Much can now be solved without nuclear weapons. Precision and unmanned weapon technology is developing at a frantic pace. Only pathological psychopaths and suicides think about nuclear war, even about its "limited" scale ...

[1976AG]

Quote: Doccor18

Military experts note that the likelihood of a nuclear war has grown significantly recently.

What's the point in it? Much can now be solved without nuclear weapons. Precision and unmanned weapon technology is developing at a frantic pace. Only pathological psychopaths and suicides think about nuclear war, even about its "limited" scale ...

The trouble is, psychopaths don't realize they are psychopaths.

[Dikson]

Here we go. and without a nuclear war, Russia can immediately surrender either to its yellow brother from the east, or to its European partners ... do you think this is the case? Only psychopaths are ready to fight until the enemy is destroyed .. - but smart and healthy people on the territory of the enemy have houses and relatives. and money .. only crazy people will blow up their own ..)) Therefore, Russia will lose the next war, and without pressing the red button ..) And what's the point of blowing up everyone? did not live richly - there is nothing to start .. some owners of the Russian land will be replaced by others .. What, for the first time or what?

[1976AG]

Quote: Dikson

Here we go. and without a nuclear war, Russia can immediately surrender either to its yellow brother from the east, or to its European partners ... do you think this is the case? Only psychopaths are ready to fight until the enemy is destroyed .. - but smart and healthy people on the territory of the enemy have houses and relatives. and money .. only crazy people will blow up their own ..)) Therefore, Russia will lose the next war, and without pressing the red button ..) And what's the point of blowing up everyone? did not live richly - there is nothing to start .. some owners of the Russian land will be replaced by others .. What, for the first time or what?

Berezovsky also thought that he was king in England with money. We all know how he ended up. The oligarchs took money abroad - they also thought it was safer. Thanks to the sanctions - they showed how it really is. It is here that they are the powerful of this world (and then for the time being), and beyond the hill they are entirely in someone else's power, there are their own strong in the world.

[Undecim]

NATO began secret maneuvers in Germany, within the framework of which the scenario of the beginning of an atomic war is being worked out
The maneuvers are so "secret". that they are reported by the entire European press, even the Polish one, the F-16s of which take part in them.
These exercises have been held annually since at least 2014, and they are not practicing the scenario of "starting an atomic war" (cheap propaganda stamp) but the use of tactical nuclear weapons. That is, the carriers are training to use the B61 bombs deployed in Europe. And at the beginning, middle or end of a nuclear war they will be used - no one knows yet. Maybe they won't have time to apply at all.

[Dikson]

So the Chinese decided to prepare for war ... and the Europeans ... in the next two years everything will be decided ..

[Alf]

Quote: Dikson

in the next two years everything will be decided ..

Why two and not three or not next year?

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Military experts note that the likelihood of a nuclear war has grown significantly recently. This was facilitated by the collapse of the INF Treaty, as well as the unwillingness of the United States to extend the START-3 treaty.

.... And most importantly, the population where the US nuclear weapons and their own are stationed are indifferent. Everyone hopes that they will survive ... It does not hurt, we will quietly fall asleep ..

[askort154]

At the same time, it is emphasized that the exercises are conducted without the use of real nuclear weapons.

But in vain! You look, a couple were dropped somewhere over Germany. As has happened more than once with you.

[nnz226]

If from the German side at least something flies towards Russia for the third time, we will not take Berlin! Immediately into radioactive dust!

[MKPU-115]

Quote: nnz226

If from the German side at least something flies towards Russia for the third time, we will not take Berlin! Immediately into radioactive dust!

We will not occupy Europe, that's for sure, but the Atlantic Ocean will splash in place of Great Britain.

[Sergej1972]

Well, do not exaggerate, even in the event of a massive strike on Britain, the islands as such, in physical and geographical terms, will remain.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Sergej1972

Well, do not exaggerate, even in the event of a massive strike on Britain, the islands as such, in physical and geographical terms, will remain.

Well, the tsunami will just overwhelm them, I agree, maybe something will remain from the relief.

[Aag]

Quote: nnz226

If from the German side at least something flies towards Russia for the third time, we will not take Berlin! Immediately into radioactive dust!

Did you decide that, and is this reflected in the plans for combat use?
Emotions are emotions, but let's go to constructiveness ... Well, or at least to a sensible assessment of the situation.

[APASUS]

The Germans are fussing, they realized that the games of the Americans can again have a bad effect on Europe

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: APASUS

Germans are bustling

It is unlikely that the Germans are the initiators of these senseless exercises.

The Resilient Afternoon exercise is practicing the safe removal of nuclear weapons from underground storage facilities, as well as their transportation to aircraft and installation under the wing ...
Fighter-bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons are involved in the maneuvers. They take place at the Nörfenich airbase in North Rhine-Westphalia. This military facility is considered an alternative storage location for the American B61 hydrogen bombs, which, according to unconfirmed reports, are located at the Büchel base in Rhineland-Palatinate.

Are they planning to carry out military operations with Russia as bombers?
It is doubtful that in the event of a serious mess, they will have time to extract and plant the bombs under their wings. But you also need to fly to the goal.

the games of the Americans may again have a bad effect on Europe

This is beyond doubt.

[APASUS]

Quote: Vladimir_6

It is unlikely that the Germans are the initiators of these senseless exercises.

Of course not they, they have more than enough experience, they definitely do not want to contact the Russians.

Quote: Vladimir_6

Are they planning to carry out military operations with Russia as bombers?
It is doubtful that in the event of a serious mess, they will have time to extract and plant the bombs under their wings. But you also need to fly to the goal.

The fact is that after the experience of Libya and Iraq, the Americans do not start new conflicts, but use the existing ones. This is precisely where the danger lies when it can go from simple to nuclear.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: APASUS

The fact is that after the experience of Libya and Iraq, the Americans do not start new conflicts, but use the existing ones.

This is clear. But in principle, it is not possible for the West to have a prepared conflict with modern Russia. Germany, as you have noticed, has more than enough experience. They know how not to train against Russia, the war will end in Berlin.
I wonder if Russia has any options to force the United States to remove its entire arsenal of nuclear weapons from Europe, as under Khrushchev, when the United States withdrew ballistic missiles from Turkey?

[Alf]

Quote: Vladimir_6

I wonder if Russia has any options to force the United States to remove its entire arsenal of nuclear weapons from Europe, as under Khrushchev, when the United States withdrew ballistic missiles from Turkey?

This requires two conditions - a steel fist and the Kremlin's steel eggs. If everything is more or less with the first, then there are big doubts about the second. The anecdote about Saratov did not appear from scratch ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Vladimir_6

This is clear. But in principle, it is not possible for the West to have a prepared conflict with modern Russia.

Well, why, Transnistria. Where we will have to take up arms very seriously to save our citizens and peacekeepers. And there are also a number of conflicts where it is possible to predict with great confidence the participation of Russians, the main goal of the West is to drag them there.

Quote: Vladimir_6

I wonder if Russia has any options to force the United States to remove its entire arsenal of nuclear weapons from Europe, as under Khrushchev, when the United States withdrew ballistic missiles from Turkey?

There are no options. Russia is not the USSR. Now all politics is built on maneuvering and business interests, that's why they are pouring manure on us. Yes, Putin does not allow the West to cross the red line, but he forgives a lot, which was not possible in the USSR in principle!

[rocket757]

Unshakable noon ": Germany is working on the scenario of the beginning of a nuclear war

Guys, such "games" can end with the last, final sunset, if that!

[Rusticolus]

For the final sunset, a priori, all nuclear weapons are negligible. Sunsets and sunrises will remain. And the fact that people may no longer see them, so people are an insignificant trifle by the standards of space.

[rocket757]

The position is clear, the earth will turn and it will not go anywhere from orbit, only such a trifle, on a cosmic scale, as it does not inspire me at all. I don't want to go to heaven or hell ... at least not yet. I think many feel the same.

[Cowbra]

Why should you work out something? In any scenario, you will be in the distribution. so your workouts should be of two types - competitions, who will quickly wrap themselves in a sheet and hold the machine gun at outstretched arms so that the melt does not splatter boots ...

[fif21]

Savages! They wave a nuclear club, but they will die from germs! So decided Bill Geyts. Gamma over.

[orionvitt]

This was facilitated by the collapse of the INF Treaty, as well as the unwillingness of the United States to extend the START-3 treaty.

And who is talking about this in the West? On the contrary, all the bumps are on Russia, as always. Either she returned the Crimea, or you see "it rattles with weapons." In general, the message is clear. If a mess happens, then Russia will be blamed for everything. As they say, nothing new.

[Vadim_888]

So, it's time to go for canned food, and load them into the bunker ...

[Vadim Golubkov]

If a nuclear war starts (of course, God forbid), then no exercises will help, everything and everyone will perish.

[Operator]

Quote: AAG

Forget what happened

I can't - as soon as I found out from the press about the number of nuclear charges in the USSR, I immediately estimated the total amount of weapons-grade plutonium at our disposal:
6 x 50000 = 300 tons.

Weapon-grade plutonium has not gone anywhere - if it is not included in the charges in the warehouses of the RF Ministry of Defense, then it is in the warehouses of the Rosatom State Corporation in the form of pits.

[Aag]

Quote: Operator

Quote: AAG

Forget what happened

I can't - as soon as I found out from the press about the number of nuclear charges in the USSR, I immediately estimated the total amount of weapons-grade plutonium at our disposal:
6 x 50000 = 300 tons.

Weapon-grade plutonium has not gone anywhere - if it is not included in the charges in the warehouses of the RF Ministry of Defense, then it is in the warehouses of the Rosatom State Corporation in the form of pits.

It is in charges, I think. Not a small part, for sure ... But not on carriers. Accordingly, their turn, most likely, will not reach, - deployed carriers, command posts, logistics, energy, industrial centers are in priority. accordingly, other threats. On the work maps of commanders, flooding zones after the destruction of hydraulic structures, zones of chemical contamination after damage to industrial enterprises containing harmful, hazardous substances (cold storage, chemical production, electrolysis, etc., etc.) That is, there will be no plutonium!)))

[Operator]

I think that we should not further develop this topic

[Aag]

Quote: Operator

I think that we should not further develop this topic

Convinced.

[koramax81]

What is this "secret" doctrine that the media trumpets? Or are Western "partners" very bad at keeping secrecy?

[pexotinec]

Well, as they say, everything goes to this. It is not for nothing that the Americans are pumping weapons into Europe and its neighbors.

[Normal]

Interestingly, I am the only one quilted with laughter by their names of teachings? Some kind of schizophrenogenic name. I would also understand such a name in conjunction with spirit, for example: unshakable spirit, or unshakable will. But an unshakable afternoon? la, now I have an attack of a panic attack)))) My mosX is unable to decipher this name))))

[MKPU-115]

Quote: AAG

On real maps it was possible to draw, calculate the affected areas after the use of nuclear weapons at various powers and types (air, ground) nuclear weapons.

The same garbage.
Duck what is 56 and why France?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: AAG

And only if there is political will, which, unfortunately, I have doubts ...

Previously, he also had, but after talking recently with his own, who still serve, and the stars on their epaulettes are very big, doubts disappeared.