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"The purchase price of the F-18 and Rafale will rise to $ 17 billion": retired marshal believes that India "vitally needs the 3rd aircraft carrier"

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An article by Marshal was published in the press aviation India retired, military analyst M. Mateswarana. It is dedicated to "the growing threat to India from China."


According to the retired marshal, it is necessary to develop the Indian fleet - to build submarines and aircraft carriers.

M. Matesvaran:

A third aircraft carrier is vital for us. This need is due to the fact that China is building up its aircraft carrier fleet.

Recall that Beijing plans to form an aircraft carrier fleet of six aircraft carriers. Moreover, five of them will be built in the coming years (one - "Shandong" - has already been built) in the People's Republic of China itself.

M. Matesvaran:

The high cost of aircraft carriers was a major factor in the lack of enthusiasm for such ships, as other defense projects also needed funds. It should be noted and a sharp rise in the cost of modernization of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, as a result of which its initial price increased from 974 million dollars to 2,35 billion dollars. Together with 45 MiG-29K aircraft and additional modifications, the total price is now somewhere between $ 6 and 7 billion.

According to the retired marshal, the cost of the Vikrant aircraft carrier after its full complement will be up to $ 11 billion.

Mateswaran recalled that the third aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy - Vishal - is still at the development stage.

Indian military expert:

Its approximate price will be $ 6-8 billion, and construction will take from 10 to 14 years. And if you try to consider the F-18 and Rafale fighters as its wing, then its price will rise to $ 16-17 billion.

Nevertheless, the retired marshal believes that it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier and buy aircraft at this price in order to maintain parity with China.
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Indian Defense Ministry
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 October 2020 07: 20
    +3
    Nevertheless, the retired marshal believes that it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier and buy aircraft at this price in order to maintain parity with China.
    This is the arms race, pure water.
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 14 October 2020 07: 25
      +1
      I will rephrase an old phrase
      "If you want to ruin the country - start building aircraft carriers"
      The Indian Ocean, in theory, the Indians can control without aircraft carriers by ground aircraft.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 14 October 2020 07: 28
    0
    I would advise this marshal to focus on developing hypersonic missiles ... it's much cheaper and more efficient.
    A dozen of these missiles will nullify the Chinese advantage in the aircraft carrier class.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 October 2020 08: 12
      +1
      This is only in words. As in fact, no one knows. It's like shock UAVs - it seems to carry 50-100 kg of combat load, according to flight characteristics it is worse than aircraft of the times of the Spanish civilian - you can shoot down with a stick, but practice shows something completely different.

      Plus, the aircraft carrier is extremely flexible in any case. A hypersonic missile is a single-task solution and there is a high probability that all the invested funds will not work out in any way (it will stand in the container until it is written off). Avik, on the other hand, can be driven from the first to the last day, squeezing out geopolitical dividends, or even fit in / start an offensive neo-colonial war, which is now in vogue.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 October 2020 08: 18
        +6
        Avik can be driven from the first to the last day,

        You can, of course ... but in the event of its loss from a hyper-missile strike, the loss will be sensitive ... it's one thing to wage a small victorious war with the natives without risking anything, it is quite another thing to get hit by a dozen Zircons from a strong enemy in the bochin ... I do not believe in omnipotence AUG ... advertising is all for naive patriots.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 14 October 2020 08: 22
          -1
          Well, you don't have to fight with a strong enemy. How many of the 195 world countries can be dragged into the sphere of influence / democratized / knocked out the preferences needed without risk? Here Avik can work off the money, but not the rocket. Moreover, if you score on other areas - invest only in missiles, then the enemy will certainly find a way to stop the threat. Since one wunderwaffe, and not a set of measures, can always be countered.

          And back in the late 19th century, everyone began building hundreds of boats with whitehead mines. The news was posted in the media = everything is Britashka, all the scrap metal from the shipyards is better immediately melted down. Any large ship is doomed in the area of ​​action of destroyers with self-propelled mines (torpedoes). As a result, large ships dominated for another 50 years and were replaced only by aviation.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 14 October 2020 08: 25
            +1
            Moreover, if you score on other areas - invest only in missiles, then the enemy will certainly find a way to stop the threat. Since one wunderwaffe, and not a set of measures, can always be countered.

            Everything is so, but you need to take into account what kind of war you are going to wage with the enemy ... Blitzkrieg or a war to deplete the enemy's resources ... it is clear that you cannot build many aircraft carriers, this is a piece and expensive product and in the first hours of the Blitzkrieg it will be completely knocked out ... with missiles it is easier to rivet them in thousands.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 14 October 2020 08: 37
              -3
              Or not knocked out. Well, that is - a rocket does not guarantee knocking out an enemy aircraft carrier. For example, he can operate outside the missile zone. And it hurts a lot. At the same time, all sorts of little things are missed, like - the AUG must still be detected, adjusted the carrier / ny.

              Just for example - how many P-15 did the Libyans let in? And how many did you get? 0. Although they have missiles (even now they use them). And there are coastal positions. And Europeans have become quite insolent at times.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 14 October 2020 08: 26
        -1
        I'm in printsYpe against aircraft carriers - I'm waiting for cons.
        India already has white elephants - why else a \ n?
        everything should be proportional - no distortions.
        ? to fight for Indonesia or for the Seychelles is going to a Hindu?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 October 2020 08: 41
          -1
          India is the third country (after the United States and Britain) with a positive experience of using AB in the period after WWII. Our recent experience cannot be called positive. The admirals made a form of disgrace.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 14 October 2020 09: 17
          -1
          ... a Hindu is going to fight for Indonesia or for the Seychelles?

          For Sri Lanka, the Nicobar and Andaman Islands, so that the Chinese do not build their bases there. In 20 years the PRC will have such a combat fleet that it can, if desired, strike at Hindu maritime isolation. The Indian fleet is inferior to the Chinese in almost all respects, not counting the Brahmos and the Russian leased nuclear submarine.
          Maybe it's not so unreasonable to have 3 aircraft carriers with imported fighters in the Indian fleet ...
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 14 October 2020 08: 38
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        but practice shows something completely different.


        If the enemy does not have air defense. Please do not forget. 23-25 ​​Turkish Mal-class UAVs of the Bayraktar and Anka types were lost in the fighting in Libya and Syria. Yes, before the heap there is still a horde of Wing Longs belonging to the LNA. Hope you're not a local professor to deny reality?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 14 October 2020 08: 47
          -2
          Well, that's good! UAVs go astray, but at the same time they wreak havoc, gnaw through gaps, and knock out the most important targets. Yes, many die - but that's okay.

          As for the air defense - we now see a picture of an enemy stumbling without air defense capable of resistance. Azerbaijan is trying to somehow stimulate the NKR to shoot, letting An-2 on to identify the positions of the air defense, so that they can then equalize.

          However, the presence of air defense also makes its way - in practice in Syria and on boards. How? Hordes of barrage ammunition are launched, which demolish an air defense position, even the most echeloned one. In theory, even Khimki can be made equal if you select ~ 200 Harop in a wave. The air defense will simply be oversaturated and that's it.

          For an industrialized country, there is no problem to rivet these ammunition / UAVs in the hundreds. And this is certainly cheaper than riveting airplanes and training pilots.

          And ahead, it is in this technology that even greater advantages are opening up:
          - miniaturization, a drone the size of a sparrow - which one with a directional charge and a 30-40 km range? Soon.
          - elements of group intelligence and autonomous work. The drone wave acquires target signatures (or selects them, distributes and attacks them). EW is finally everything. Because there is no communication with the command center and is not needed, the cars do all the work themselves. This is also a technology that is actively developing and samples will appear soon.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 14 October 2020 09: 14
          -2
          And in order not to get up 2 times, here Dambiev has just a fresh Chinese wunderwolf by UAV Swarm. 48 kamikaze drones on a mobile platform.





          40-60 minutes of flight for each. This is generally in the class of the American Switchblade 600.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 14 October 2020 12: 53
            0
            we have an answer, ALREADY - it is necessary to supplement it with the installation of a monument to Beria and Kurchatov - so far, nuclear weapons guarantee that something?
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 October 2020 09: 46
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      A dozen of these missiles will nullify the Chinese advantage in the aircraft carrier class.

      How we love the wunderwaffe :))) More even than Hitler at the end of World War II.
  3. Pastor
    Pastor 14 October 2020 07: 59
    +3
    What difference does it make how to get money from India ?! Now they are hooked on the defense industry, creating several conflicts around the perimeter. This is Pakistan, and China, and they have enough of their own separatists. So they spend easy money. The Saudis, too, were doing well with the army at the parades. There are still a couple of components missing for a capable army.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2020 08: 34
    +2
    Marshals, even retired ones, are "supposed" to drown for militarization ..... although some, suddenly, start to think about peace.
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 14 October 2020 09: 13
    +1
    ... building (an aircraft carrier) will take 10 to 14 years.


    And how many aircraft carriers have the Chinese riveted during this time? laughing On parity ... good
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 October 2020 09: 23
    0
    at this price, it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier and purchase aviation in order to maintain parity with China
    Catch up and overtake, so what? Interestingly, will set up the aircraft carriers, and then both aircraft carrier groups will meet in the ocean to strike at each other? Build, catch up with this your own business, but who will separate you later? Some questions.
  7. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 October 2020 11: 57
    0
    Judging by the photo on the screensaver, the retired marshal was not driven by a weak "cutlet" from London. Britons are now just looking for someone to "sell" "Prince"))))
  8. yehat2
    yehat2 14 October 2020 16: 47
    0
    Nevertheless, the retired marshal believes that it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier and buy aircraft at this price in order to maintain parity with China.

    for there to be an adequate response to China, it is urgent to develop and build a new generation of corvettes / destroyers plus a new generation of universal nuclear submarines. And these are not so much the ships themselves as the filling - well, at least, we gave the Indians a strike missile, but with anti-aircraft and other filling they are not ice. And competing with China in aircraft carriers is simply stupid. To do this, you must first tackle the planned economy.
    Now India and China can win only in a dispute over the best paint for sailors' uniforms.
  9. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 14 October 2020 16: 47
    -2
    Missiles will be stocked up and mustache ... better black holes with calibers of 2500 km.
  10. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 October 2020 09: 44
    +2
    I read the comments and laughed. It's okay not to trust your sailors, it's in our blood that "there is no prophet in his own country." So now we also teach the Indians: and they, generally speaking, have been engaged in carrier-based aircraft for a long time and have gained considerable experience in order to understand whether they need it or not.