Russia threatened Tehran with sanctions due to a C-300 suit

Russia announced a possible revision of the attitude towards Iran’s nuclear program if it does not withdraw a lawsuit against the Russian Federation for refusing to supply C-300 anti-aircraft systems, writes in its latest issue Kommersant. If this does not happen, Moscow will deprive Teheran of support in the nuclear issue.

Recently it became known that the Iranian side filed a lawsuit in the International Arbitration Court of Geneva against the Russian company Rosoboronexport, which canceled the agreement on the supply of anti-aircraft guns. Tehran faces a fine if the C-300 supply contract is not fulfilled.

According to the source of "Kommersant" from the presidential administration of the Russian Federation, this issue has already moved from the judicial to the political plane. If Iran continues its actions aimed at promoting this process on the world stage, it will have to resolve issues on the nuclear program on its own.

Refusal to supply weapons to Iran came from the Russian side after the introduction of international sanctions. Rosoboronexport officially canceled the contract signed at 2007, and returned an advance payment of $ 166,8 million. Under this agreement, Iran was to receive five C-300 complexes worth about $ 800 million.

Many Western countries, particularly the United States and Israel, suspect Tehran of developing nuclear weapons under cover of the peaceful atom program. The authorities of the Middle East countries claim that all their work in this direction is carried out only to provide the country with electricity. There are four UN Security Council resolutions on Iran, they provide for various sanctions. The government of this country is demanding full transparency of the nuclear program and proof of its peaceful orientation.

Comments

[ShturmKGB]

Well, that’s right, he’s becoming fooled in a pose, we are harnessing for them, and they are in court ...

[Pharao7766]

It’s one thing to harness the political scene, and another thing is that the Iranians are not stupid and understand that in the event of a batch they need to fight something. And they need money to one place, they need S-300.
But ours instead of puffing out cheeks, it would be better to put the S-300. If not directly so through third countries. (Belarus as an option)

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Pharao7766

But ours instead of puffing out cheeks, it would be better to put C-300.

Excuse me, did you work with Iran? According to rumors - these are still swindlers. They want to receive today and preferably for free, and if they pay, then tomorrow, or better, the day after tomorrow or less. Our well done. Their interests, they should always remain their interests. I have no trust in Persians. Today they are friends with us (like), because it is beneficial for them, tomorrow passions will subside - and our attitude towards us will change. IMHO.

[escapes]

And now remember when the Persians of Russia did shit? There was no one else to bet except them !! Yes, they would even have given it for free, the USA and the Saudis provide it all x for free, moreover, AGAINST RUSSIA, but as usual we can’t do anything!

[IRBIS]

Well, actually, they killed our ambassador Griboyedov. Zelo apologized later. They managed to interfere in the affairs of Central Asia and Transcaucasia, which required keeping a certain military contingent in readiness. During the war in Afghanistan, the mujahideen were supplied with weapons, trained and given territory for their bases. You have to bet on them, but very carefully. There is no need to flatter yourself. If the question arises about a "Muslim caliphate" in Russia "from sea to sea", they will reveal their true face in a moment. Little will not seem.

[gas]

Then we are friends only with India - we never fought with it! And with the rest no business, the iron curtain !!!

[upasika1918]

British archives concerning the "Griboyedov case" are still classified. Information for thought.

[Lesorub]

our AMBASSADOR "otgribaedil" half of the Shah's harem in the French manner, for this he paid ... ((

[red 015]

The Persians did a lot of bad things to us, open a history book and read!

[Nir]

Quote: red 015

The Persians did a lot of bad things to us, open a history book and read!

Directly what? Have you already forgotten how in the 19th century? over the Caucasus fought with them? Or forgot Griboedov? Something you have, my friend, a strange memory ... that's it, open the book on sitori and read it, you can find the Turkmenchay peace treaty

[mshl]

And where does he say "Not really anything" ?, tovarisch _on the contrary_ asserts "we did a lot of bad things." And it was not for nothing that ours and arrogant in the difficult 1941 brought troops there.

[gas]

So we and the allies will not remain. Honor Machiavelli - a strong creature wets the weak, take the side of the weak, because your state may become the next. Whether it will succeed or not, the neighbor will be grateful for this for a long time.

[upasika1918]

About gratitude. The Bulgarians thank us so much, they thank us so much.

[scientist cat]

gas,

Honor Machiavelli - a strong creature wets the weak, take the side of the weak, because your state may become the next.

I agree with the thesis that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
In accordance, Iran should be helped, but not in this case, it is necessary to look at the future, we need guarantees, nuclear weapons in the hands of Iran’s ayatols will not add peace to the world, on the contrary.
With the advent of Iran’s nuclear weapons, an arms race could begin in the world - primarily for balance, nuclear weapons will be wanted in the region: in Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and then around the world, for example, Japan and South Korea.

[Krilion]

Quote: red 015

The Persians did a lot of bad things to us, open a history book and read!

open the book and read what they did "bad" to us during the Second World War ... then wipe yourself ...

[Pharao7766]

With the Chinese and Koreans ... Those still ***.
With regards to the style of work - no better. Now it works all the time.
I am talking about the strategic interests of Russia.
Better let Iran fly NATO planes over its territory, and keep the amers away from our borders.
And where did they say that the S-300 will go to them for free? It’s hard for them to sell oil right now, but we won’t refuse ...
Anyway, stop thinking about the loot!

[viruskvartirus]

Money is the same weapon ... and the Persians have the attitude "Today there are chairs, and money later .... somehow", read the history of deliveries from the Soviet Union. In vain they are so with the court, no one loves when he is pinned to the wall ... and if we are talking about the Slavs, even more so ...

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Pharao7766

I am talking about the strategic interests of Russia.

I agree. Based on this indicator I agree, you can put it on for free. But then they will need to be paid from our budget. At whose expense will we deliver? Teachers? Doctors? Throw off maternal capital? Or will we give up our deployed and combat-ready complex?

Quote: Pharao7766

Anyway, stop thinking about the loot!

Tell the workers who assemble the 300. At defense enterprises, and so, often, the situation with money is not the most encouraging.

And then, you understand, I am not against the supply of this complex, on the contrary, with all my heart and soul FOR. Just knowing the Persians a little and realizing that they are not our friends (forced allies - yes, but not friends), I consider it unnecessary to smack a fever in this matter. I am sure that when deciding on the refusal of supplies, the Government of Stotyshpitsot once thought. Perhaps what we see now is just a beautiful game of the two countries in public.

[Beck]

To traper.

Well done.

[Pharao7766]

Quote: Trapper7

Tell the workers who assemble the 300. At defense enterprises, and so, often, the situation with money is not the most encouraging.

Dmitry, and I am not talking about free shipments.
I believe that Russia can also make money on supplies as such, plus ensure security (at least some) in the buffer zone at its borders.
But the fact that the government thought a lot - here I do not quite agree.
Then the guarantor of foreign policy was our liberal DAM. An example of deliberation is the resolution on Libya. I think that the contract break was another deflection.

[Slayer]

Quote: Trapper7

Excuse me, did you work with Iran? According to rumors - these are still swindlers. They want to receive today and preferably for free, and if they pay, then tomorrow, or better, the day after tomorrow or less. Our well done. Their interests, they should always remain their interests. I have no trust in Persians. Today they are friends with us (like), because it is beneficial for them, tomorrow passions will subside - and our attitude towards us will change. IMHO.

In 1x, Iran was right, the contract was, we canceled it, though it is on its side, minus to us what happened to the West. In 2x, Iran’s security is directly related to the security of Russia, we’ll lose Iran and the Americans will calmly walk in the Caspian with their Ijes, and this is directly at our borders. Here, in fact, it is very foolish for both sides to beat themselves in the chest. You need to sit down at the table and think together on a solution to this problem. There is a children's fairy tale about two rams on the bridge, but the butt wasn’t good for them)))

[Denzel13]

Yes, it is unprofitable for Russia to lift the embargo on Iran. And the USA is not profitable. Oil will then fall in price and we will be p ... t, and the Texas oil "colleagues" will not be delighted. And the contract for 800 million does not seem to be a lot, compared to the losses from the fall in oil prices, especially since the complexes will probably be delivered as a result of these movements.

[Pharao7766]

Quote: Denzel13

Yes, it is unprofitable for Russia to remove the embargo from Iran. And the US is not profitable.

And what will happen to the price if the amers simply smash Iran and sit on its oil?
So far, the price is high for amers and oil deficits, and even for the Saudis, everything is not calm; the revolution is not going to happen for them. Then you will have the price of oil and the end of the United States. Because no one will even wipe their green thoughts.

[von_Richten]

They have no shortage and never will be. They have VERY many reserves. + we need to help the Saudi opposition, IMHO, because the threat will then disappear by itself.

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Slayer

You need to sit at the table and think together on a solution to this problem.

I agree with this on all 100%

[Igor]

Quote: Trapper7

Excuse me, did you work with Iran? According to rumors - these are still swindlers.

Whoever you listen to, you will find out that Indians, Chinese, West, Persians, etc. all the pranksters in business, we are Ivan fools alone.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Igorek

we are Ivan fools alone.

the common people usually remain fools, smart "Ivans" rest on the Cote d'Azur

[Nir]

Quote: Trapper7

Excuse me, did you work with Iran? According to rumors - these are still swindlers. They want to receive today and preferably for free, and if they pay, then tomorrow, or better, the day after tomorrow or less. Our fellows

You have a huge plus for objectivity ... it's time to call a spade a spade, and not engage in urapatriotism.

[IPSC-2008]

".. They want to get it today and preferably for free, and if they pay, then tomorrow, or better, the day after tomorrow and less ...." The article says that they made an advance payment, some 166,8 million dollars. We patiently waited for our technical difficulties for several years, and then received sanctions. What kind of distrust can we talk about?

[Krilion]

Quote: Trapper7

. They want to receive today and preferably for free, and if they pay, then tomorrow, or better, the day after tomorrow or less.

and it's nothing that they sent C-300 loot forward? ... so sometimes it's better to be silent than to say ....

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Krilion

and it's nothing that they sent C-300 loot forward? ... so sometimes it's better to be silent than to say ....

Was the prepayment 100%? As far as I know, in the amount of 166,8 million dollars there are still interest on the penalty. The cost of С300 is more than 166,8 mln. I don’t know what the real amount of prepayment is.
If the prepayment was 100% - then I’m all wrong and wildly apologize.

[Su24]

Only change when America and the West collapse. And if this happens, then Iran will not be a particularly big problem for us.
And they needed to supply the S-300; such a delivery would be to uphold its own geopolitical interests.

[ward]

In fact, yes ... they pay on time ... unlike some ... who have failed to fulfill contract obligations ... and by the way, from this case, Russia is forced to put an item on colossal compensations in case of failure to complete a deal ... and also our friends from Europe increased the amount of forfeit to 4 billions ... primarily to quarrel our countries ...

[Cynic]

Quote: Pharao7766

But ours instead of pouting cheeks

Who is ours then?

According to Kommersant’s interlocutor from the presidential administration, this issue has already moved from the judicial to the political plane.

Again, somewhere, someone who someone whispered in your ear!

Now, regarding the lawsuit: What is Iran wrong about? Kidanul hospodin Medvedev one friend for another? Kidanul!
Now is it illuminated? I think after Libya, many began to dream!
Now, to our current president, how to dodge, trying to save face?
One of the options (what the hell is not joking) to put the S-300 in Iran by decision of the International Arbitration Court of Geneva !!!
One chance out of a thousand justifications for this alignment, but has the right to exist like any other

[urzul]

NU that you only threatened Russia with sanctions, then Iran does not withdraw the claim and wins, and Russia supplies the C-300 to Iran on completely legitimate grounds.
And everyone is happy. Russia did not want to, it was forced;))

[recitatorus]

I also think that as a result of all this leapfrog of allegations, the complexes will arrive in Iran.

[Aventurinka]

I already wrote a little lower that there was official information from the Iranian ambassador that they were ready to withdraw the lawsuit if we put the S-300 to them. And this info looks more like a stuffing ...

[Check]

I also adhere to this idea, now there is an operation under the code name "Russian divorce"!)

[Lesorub]

It also seems to me that a political mnogohodovka is PLAYED in front of the whole world with a predicted outcome in advance, while EVERYONE gets what they wanted ...

[lelikas]

It would be better if our court threatened - you’ll be rude to judge - turn off the gas

[Green 413-1685]

Everything is correct. The Persians began to bury. And in the world, if they spit on you and you’re wiping yourself, or trying to press and you bend, then do not expect any further respect. Rather, it will only get worse. And in the east all the more, there they only respect power and only reckon with it. If we begin to apologize to the Persians, and even go headlong after their threats of judgment and other rudeness, then in the future they will only wipe our feet about us.
And there is nothing to tell tales that they say they are allies to us, they have never been to us, they have always had strained relations with them at best. They are masters of crap, and you can remember the pre-revolutionary history, and after. In the situation with the USA, they are situational partners to us, but not allies. And then to say, the people here I look at the vest for them vomits, but does not know how many slops the Iranians poured on Russia when that (here is arrogance!) Demanded payment for the nuclear power plant on schedule. That’s why it was built for a long time, so that our people sharply wiser and started to work only after payment on the agreed date.
They had to greet less and spit in our direction, so they got this attitude to themselves. So what is right for us to do with them, the east is a delicate matter, there the affectionate dog only when he senses a club on himself.

[Flanker06]

+, you directly read my thoughts!

[Beck]

Green.

And why are you, my dear man, they call me green. The mind then turns the language in MATURE. You often go to the entok zakut. Well done is someone to besiege the foolish, here and not so thick. They then take a common scream, press on the throat, do not give breathing. Fist on their breasts. And behind the sternum is a truly sovereign, Russian penniless and kuzkun mother.

You're done, I see from your thoughts, daring and daring. God help you.

[starshina78]

This will be insanity on the part of the Russian authorities. They have already made a mistake by starting to dance to the American tune, and now exacerbate it even more. On the contrary, it is necessary to give way to the supply of S-300, and there is nothing to look back at Obama, otherwise the inconstancy of our power has shaken. Let it at least decide with whom - with NATO or on its own, or against NATO with Iran, Syria and other countries. Medvedev is clear. when he canceled deliveries, was guided by calls from the Washington regional committee, and Putin also lay down under it?

[Green 413-1685]

In my opinion, Putin's position is just clear, he himself voiced it several times. His, if not an idol, then a role model is Stolypin. Putin himself spoke about this in many interviews. According to Stolypin, Russia should, in all its affairs, first of all observe its own interests, and not dance to other people's songs about "friendship" and "brotherhood", when all sorts of brothers and allies, those who like to drag chestnuts out of the fire with someone else's hands, call for help, and then using and pumping out the nishtyaki they throw. Stolypin was CATEGORALLY opposed to Russia interceding for Serbia, he already predicted what would happen. That Austria-Hungary and Germany would then inevitably act as a united front against Russia, which was absolutely unprepared for war. These are pseudo-patriots, lovers of shedding Russian blood for other people's interests then, in fact, plunged the country into the catastrophe of World War I, which subsequently led to October. It was these who, who did not see beyond their noses, accused Stolypin of betraying the "Slavic brotherhood" and so on. And now exalted fools like them are tearing their shirt off demanding that Russia fit in for everyone and again, as under the Union, began to sponsor "allies" like Iran, to the detriment of themselves. they revile us at every opportunity. Putin is trying to pursue the Stolypin policy - on the one hand, liberalization of the economy, on the other, clear and tight control over the political field, with a gradual but steady restoration of the military-industrial complex and the Army and the Navy. If all these pseudo-patriots of both the left and the right did not interfere with him, as was the case with Stolypin at the beginning of the 1th century, then it would have been much faster and more efficient.

[komsomolets]

Come on Russia, come on. So keep it so that everyone knows that it’s better not to hobnob with us.

[Bashkaus]

The boy gave the word, the boy took the word, and if someone shows up to answer for the ping (adapted phrase for children), we’ll breed according to the concepts!
SHAME RUSSIA!

[Svistoplyaskov]

As one Swedish driver put it: “Calm is only calm”!
The news is designed for American consumption, so to speak bun with sausage instead of a hamburger!
Armenian radio 300 times Sss said.

[patriot2]

... And then Tehran will go to China for help in implementing the nuclear program (if it has not already done so).
Then everything can be even more interesting ... To be continued ...

[Apollo]

Russia has done so much for Iran, I would even say more than I could, and such a turn clearly does not decorate the Iranian side. Which means it will lose Russia's support, in Iran, in my opinion, they have not yet fully realized.

[Joker]

Let's be honest, the government of Iran supports it only because it pursues its interests and nothing more.

What it means is losing Russia's support, in Iran, in my opinion, they have not yet been fully realized.

So we threw them first, they did not ask to harness for them, moreover, they themselves said that Russia, that the United States was one Satan, only one more powerful. The contract was signed, execute, cheat, pay a forfeit, otherwise we’re used to it if the law didn’t work, we’ll be scared by something, here’s an indicator that the bandits are sitting in the government. They themselves have thrown and threatened yet, we must not threaten, but apologize and compensate for the damage, and now not only do the whole of Europe (with rare exceptions) and the United States do not respect our country, so now our partners will think 10 again before they deal with us he is such a thing, he’s earned for years, and you can lose it in a matter of minutes, which our government has done. Personally, I am ashamed, although I have nothing to do with these s-300 at all, it's a disgrace.

[Varnaga]

Interestingly, did anyone even think that the complexes designed for Iran (or rather touched on them) went to strengthen Russian air defense? So rejoice that the Persians had a ride, especially since, according to rumors, they were not going to pay anything other than an advance.

[Gemar]

Quote: Apollon

Russia has done so much for Iran

That's it. They take it for granted, but where is the "thank you"? You can't give in to such an ungrateful pig. It is necessary, like in chess, to punish them for a wrong move by placing a fork. Put forward another condition (compensation for damage to the image of the Russian Federation as a reliable supplier) and let them choose the lesser of two evils - a revision of the attitude towards Iran's nuclear program or compensation for moral damage.

[T72B]

"Many Western countries, in particular the United States and Israel, suspect Tehran of developing nuclear weapons under the guise of a peaceful atom program."


Afftar is burning! Great humor! SUSPECT !!!

And someone in the Russian Federation constantly goes across the furrow in order to quarrel it with the last potential non-enemies. Interesting and hto it?

"There are four UN Security Council resolutions against Iran, they provide for various sanctions. The government of this country is required to have full transparency of its nuclear program and proof of its peaceful orientation."

Well, yes, yes, the rest of the owners of nuclear weapons have it for purely peaceful purposes for the interior. And what? Handsomely.

[lewerlin53rus]

For "Rashka" you minus !! Filter the bazaar! And at least read the site rules!

[T72B]

Man, this reflex instantaneous reaction without understanding the reading is not good. What I wrote is in no way against Russia. This is just an attempt to indicate the presence of trolls at very high levels of Russian power, who do everything not for the country, but in spite of. As a result of their activities, we have what we have. But to teach me life is not worth it. Especially in that tone. All the best.

[sahha]

Russia threatened Tehran with sanctions due to a C-300 suit

They threw themselves because of the deflection, and Iran is also extreme.

Tehran, in case of failure to fulfill the contract for the supply of S-300, faces a fine.

Deliver supplies - and no problem and everyone is well
Here I was mistaken, certain countries will not have ice at all

[Sokol57]

It was necessary to initially fulfill the order. We supplied defensive weapons and this did not contradict any sanctions. And now we (RF) look like a woman "I will give, then I will not."

[dark_sp]

Yes, this is so in Russian !! We will help Amers themselves to establish control over themselves and the Arabian Peninsula. Due to our integrity, we can lose our last friends !!

[GG2012]

The roar of "Big Poo" is immediately felt!
A bear would - mumbled.

[in reserve]

And why not fulfill the contract if we so zealously support Iran in the international arena, all the more so we need to be friends with our neighbors. And it looks like on the part of Russia "cries of hysterics when they are domination". It smacks of double standards.

[in reserve]

Found more info about Iran


Russia can get direct access to the Indian Ocean
10 2012 of August

The Minister of Energy of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Majid Namjo, said that Iran will begin construction of the Caspian - Persian Gulf shipping channel by the end of 2012. Its length will be about 600 kilometers. This artery will make it possible to directly connect the water transport systems of almost all the republics of the former USSR, the Baltic and North Atlantic regions with the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean along the shortest route. In addition, Russia and many countries of Eastern Europe will have the opportunity to reduce supplies through the Bosphorus - Dardanelles - Suez Canal and the Red Sea.
The canal construction project was developed in the early 1960s with the participation of the USSR. But under US pressure, this plan was frustrated. Now the Iranian side is counting on the assistance of Russia on its implementation. According to experts, this is not the first Russian transport project reanimated by Russia.

CCI-Inform

[Beck]

In reserve.
How much will I build ?. It is not excavators to pull out crushed stone. There are mountains. Gateways will be needed oh what. The Caspian is somewhere 200 meters above sea level. Gateways if bad will drain the Caspian into the ocean. But the gateways are not halam-balam here technology is needed, but where are they?

In the 60 years, the minvodtrans or whatever minerva, the river also planned to turn back. Cheese-Darya, Amu-Darya on the fields of cotton and rice turned and dried up the Aral. After that, jokes came up with jokes with rivers and canals.

Well, let's say they will build it, it is not known when, but who will have the keys from Russia or from the ayatollah?

[Su24]

Well, actually the Caspian is 28 meters BELOW the level of the global ocean. But yes, there is mountainous terrain in Iran. On the other hand, you can lay along river beds. Connect the river basins flowing into the Caspian and the Persian Gulf.

[Beck]

Su-24.
Sorry, the devils have beguiled. So it is below. at 28 meters.

[in reserve]

It doesn’t matter how much it builds, it will be clear that for several years the main thing is that they will start, the project is very good, the money spent on it will quickly pay off, and who will steer how Russia and Iran agree will be in good neighborly relations and there will be a strong fleet I think we will have no problems. The Bosphorus, by the way, is also controlled by the Turks.

[Beck]

In reserve.
It is understandable. The very idea is very tempting. Directly from the center of Russia, directly, bypassing the Gibraltar, Bosporus, Suez.

One thing, but for me, Turkey is a Muslim country, but a secular state, and it complies with all international regimes of ships passing through the Bosphorus. Even the military.
I do not recall the case that they blocked the strait to the military courts of Russia in peacetime. No one case was. Under international treaties and regimes, no aircraft carriers can pass through the Bosphorus in both directions. Therefore, the Soviet aircraft carriers built at the Novorossiysk shipyard were nicknamed TAKRs. Heavy aircraft cruiser. And the Turks missed them. After all, a heavy cruiser is being called up and nehai is swimming.

But with Iran, even with civilian courts it is very questionable. Iran is a theocratic state. It all depends on what foot their ayatollah gets up from.

[Su24]

And which route? It’s just that Iran from the north to the south is somewhere around 1500 km, not 600 km. There are no particularly large rivers there. But the project is gorgeous, geopolitical.

[upasika1918]

Dear comrade, you have been misled. A little more than two years ago there was a disaster about the finished project of the canal between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans on the territory of Nicaragua !? The news died quietly. Amen.

[komsomolets]

Russia has no other allies except its army and navy. Who said do not remind

[upasika1918]

Alexander the Third. ".. In the whole world Russia has only two loyal allies, its army and navy .."

[vorobey]

Another game has begun.
Already suggested the delivery through a third party.
I admit that this is a distraction. The evidence is washed away. They talk, make angry faces at each other and calm down. And the State Department again sweat, check and look for a dirty trick. If so . then ok.

[Joker]

Well, what evidence is that? C-300 does not fall under the ban, as it is a weapon of defense against external aggression. It’s just as usual that they put our pants on, and now it’s clear that the start is to stink.

[vorobey]

http://pvo.guns.ru/s300p/index_s300ps.htm

excerpt
The rate of fire is 3-5 seconds, at the same time up to 6 targets can be fired with 12 missiles when pointing up to two missiles at each target. There is a mode of firing at ground targets


or here
http://naviny.by/rubrics/politic/2011/10/17/ic_articles_112_175478/

[escobar]

Quote: vorobey

There is a mode of firing at ground targets

So what, Iran already has carriers that exceed the S-300 range. So it makes no sense to say that Iran uses them as such. But air defense is necessary, well, or against the air)).

[lewerlin53rus]

Surely there are other ways to solve the problem, except for a lawsuit in the Gayropei court. And Iran does not need to spit in the well, from which you will have to drink.

[Tom230]

Iran understands that war is not inevitable and that the C300 will not receive from Russia, so it wants to cut the dough in an easy way to buy an analogue of the C300 from China.

[expert2008]

Vladislav, you must be joking. "... buy an analogue of the C300 from China ..." ???? This is something new! If this were possible, it would have happened long ago. There is no such analogue in nature!

[Su24]

It is believed that China has its own versions of the S-300V. It is also impossible to say unequivocally about the S-300PM that the Chinese have not developed their own version, albeit on a slightly outdated element base. They produce the same J-11 - an analogue of the Su-27SK.

[expert2008]

Egor, not quite like that. I probably agree with the glider and avionics, but the engines are still bought in Russia. Their copies (Chinese copies of Russian engines) showed themselves weakly.
But the Chinese have so far been able to copy the S-300 only externally .... But Iran, after all, does not need external conspiracy if I am not mistaken ...

[11 black]

why the word analog is more appropriate here poor substitute

[Kaa]

Will the showdown be arranged according to the "new Russian" tradition in the London court? It becomes interesting.

[gerome]

A very unpleasant story. I hope that everything will be fine and our S-300s will guard Iran, and preferably the S-400.

[Flanker06]

Yeah, maybe put the S-500? Or is it better for them to immediately transfer ICBM technologies with hypersonic warheads ?!

[Su24]

Of course it would be better, but what did you think? An allied nuclear Iran would become the guarantor of stability and predictability in the region, and would temper the ardor of the Saudis, the United States and Israel. Or someone thinks that having received such a weapon Iran will immediately attack us, right? What's the logic here? Are there "bad Muslims" or "lumps"?

[Beck]

Su-24.

But here I do not agree with you. In international practice, any statements by leaders of states are taken seriously. It's not in the yard - "Yes, he was drunk, he blurted out ethno"

Nuclear Iran, it can and will be. But the union is unlikely, especially having acquired a nuclear club. Two weeks did not pass as Ayatollah Hamanai stated. He said not quietly and shyly, but firmly and confidently. Sweep the blow to blow. We will win. establish the WORLD New Islamic Order.

You want to live in a new Islamic order. If you want to get ready for circumcision.

[Flanker06]

And they won’t crack anywhere? Yes, and they will not master these developments, for them targeting by the laser beam until recently was akin to alien technology.

[komsomolets]

This is not another diplomatic game, it is the surrender of one’s position. It’s time to get used to it

[Beck]

Here he is a friend and ally. They torn a throat for Iran, and he put it in his pocket. Prelude to the court threatens Russia and the Russian political leadership, forgetting about everything.
But, I think it's flowers. So, the ayatollahs of Iran will have a nuclear club not with an arbitration court, but they will present a concrete application. In the spirit of the world NEW ISLAMIC ORDER, we will attach a knife to the throat or we can throw stones and stones with nuclear filling.

It is only necessary not to prevent them from getting a nuclear club or HOW?

[Joker]

We must fulfill our obligations to begin with.

[Su24]

You don't say stupid things, Beck. Iran has never even supported Chechen separatists, let alone another. You are currently serving the interests of the West when you are raising an anti-Iranian wave.
Iran is doing the right thing, it is thus signaling that it needs help. When we refused to supply S-300 to Iran, it was an ass-licking congress on the eve of ratification of START-3. The agreement was accepted long ago, but the S-300 was never delivered.

[Beck]

Su-24.

Here the grandmother said in two. And what Iran will do when it gets a club, no one knows either. All dictatorial regimes are inadequate.

To me, the interests of the West insofar as. Well, in terms of civilized modernity, maybe. I desperately need the true interests of Russia.

Someone chuckles. Will explain. On the ruins of the USSR, Russia is creating a new geopolitical space, together with Belarus and Kazakhstan. In contrast to both the West and the East. We have already united in a customs union, we have visa-free visits, we have the CSTO, we have the "Shanghai Five". the banking system is now being integrated. Most likely in the near future there will be one currency.

So, when in ten years there will be one geopolitical space, well, name it "Eurasian Union". Personally, I do not want an unbalanced, orthodox neighbor to appear under his belly at that time, calling for a NEW ISLAMIC ORDER, threatening him with a nuclear club. If Iran has a nuclear club, this problem will remain with us forever.

That Russia lacks opposing nuclear missiles of the USA, England, France, China. But there civilized people can talk, listen and listen.

What can we talk about religious fanaticism.

[Galina]

Perhaps Iran is demanding something impossible from Russia, which is why the supply problem arose? After all, we do not know all the issues that are raised in the negotiations.

[Beck]

Galina.
Even if required. You can’t do this to a great country. And in general, who can demand something from Russia by order or present financial accounts. After all, an advance payment was returned to Iran. It’s just that in the future you need to evaluate who you are dealing with ..

[gas]

There is no longer great Russia — it was drunk in the 90s. Medvedka openly betrayed Iran without delivering complexes, although sanctions did not apply to it, the country lost $ 800 million and will receive NATO military bases in Iran, and Russia will be considered a rotten ally.

[Beck]

Gaza.
Great Russia was. Great Russia is. Great Russia will be. Nobody has changed history, and how to change that.

About the bases. The base is the passed stage of the military strategy. They were relevant in the middle of the 20th century. Now reconnaissance bases in space. Impact bases on submarines, in strategic aviation, in strategic missiles. Those that are at the moment of the base, they will function. And new ones are more expensive to build.

Well, some US generals swell in a base in Iran 2-3 billion dollars, what will they have?
Other generals will come and bring detailed intelligence received from space and ask the first. And where they threw the money, show similar data and show the estimate ..

[Su24]

Nothing like the WB has been and remains, because as before, percussion instruments are deployed on the surface, and better closer to the proposed theater.

[Su24]

about the fact that failure to fulfill obligations undermines his own authority, I agree.

[11 black]

Yes, the Iranians simply understand that everything - now Israel will attack them, it is already openly declaring this, but about Iran they are not able to contain such a blow - they are grabbing for everything that is possible ... nothing remains in their position

[Aventurinka]

IMHO - stuffing. There is no author of the source, and not so long ago there was news

Iran is ready to abandon its claim against Rosoboronexport to the arbitration court in Geneva if Moscow fulfills the signed agreement on the supply of S-300 anti-aircraft systems. This was told in an interview to Izvestia by the Ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran to Russia, Sayed Mahmoud Reza Sajjadi.

http://www.iran.ru/rus/news_iran.php?act=news_by_id&news_id=82119

[ankh-andrej]

I wish Iran to go all the way, not to withdraw the lawsuit. You have to pay for the tricks of the iPod, or supply air defense equipment. And sanctions Iran scare empty meaning. He is already scared scared.

[Sars]

Quote: Nir

Excuse me, did you work with Iran?

Well, I worked with Iran. They are normal people! If it were not for the sanctions, I would be in "chocolate"

As for the penalties of 4 billion - let David Aronovich pay from his pocket.

[gas]

That's it, and then the "patsretoitics" here believe that we have no one to vpregatsya should not and we can throw allies to the left and to the right, they say we are powerful because AK - 74 will be cooler than any F-22))))

[Su24]

Pleased)) Yeah, there is a militia basij 11 million people, they fig rockets,
throw stones)

[Odinplys]

I think that all this is a game ... aimed at supplying these very complexes ...
But still ... is it not better to put them (if possible) without any cover ... just to fulfill the contract .... what the hell are there to abide by the rules ... especially since no one broke them ... it's because weapons of defense ...

[gas]

Can't we fantasize? "Valiant" Putin will save everyone anyway, but Iran will not throw it away, just as it did not throw Serbia ... oh no, a bad example, well, Vietnam for example)))) They have already thrown, rather, they are playing stubbornness in the Security Council to cover up, because codes for TORs have already been thrown off to Israel, the S-300 have not been installed, although they could, so this is treason, and illusions are illusions ...

[Kaa]

Quote: OdinPlys

game ... aimed at supplying these very complexes

Well, I suggest through Belarus. Through Ukraine, I do not advise, in the 90s, even a shortage of strategic missiles with an excess of nuclear warheads formed during the transfer to Russia and, literally, their cut.

[strannik595]

while only such grow up get big toys

[Gym teacher]

What kind of people are these cheers patriots

We agree to live in Homna and be friends with Homo, only to be against Pindostana. Iran openly told you: America is a strong Satan, Russia is a weak Satan. We will kill all of you damned kafirs when the time of Great Jihad comes.
Found an ally, damn it. He openly spits in your face, and you snot about "poor Iran" and "bad NATO", which wants to offend a peaceful state.

[Sars]

Is it you yourself all learned or bogus on TV seen enough?

[Beck]

Sarsu.
Of course on TV from news programs, from books, from articles, from historical reference books, etc.

And what are you from? Are you inventing yourself from your head or something?

[vostok68]

America can scare SNF, but that doesn’t matter, strannik595 says the matter.

[Beck]

Fizruk.
Why are you cutting the truth in the eyes. Do not like such jingoistic patriots, without having read to the end, "mince" you up to the throat and disconnect from the comments.
Although someone still needs to speak.

[Su24]

Fizruk.
Let's start with your ignorance about Islam. T.N. The "great jihad" is the spiritual practice of fighting sins in oneself. Under him, for example, it is supposed to give alms, lead a pious lifestyle, etc. Directly the war against the "infidels" is a small jihad. The "infidels" themselves are pagans. Jews and Christians have never been considered unfaithful. Otherwise, the Coptic community, Christians in Syria and so on could have existed in Egypt for over 1300 years. Muslims have never stopped Christian pilgrims from visiting the Holy Land.
Secondly, I wonder who it is from the Iranian leadership expressed himself in this way? Or was it done by marginal extremists? Well, we also have enough skins and demos.
Iran while there is the current regime is our ally, it is a geopolitical fact. Because as soon as the influence of Iran leaves, this place will fill the influence of the United States. T.O. The West forms a huge controlled arc against us and China from Northern and Eastern Europe to Central Asia. This is the anaconda geopolitical strategy used by the British Empire against Russia, and described by the classic geopolitics Mackinder.
After the loss of Iran, it will be possible not to dream of stability in the Caucasus, Central Asia and the Volga region, not to mention access to the warm seas. Iran is no longer such distant approaches to Russia, this is how the situation should be perceived.

[Beck]

Su-24.

I won’t bring ayahs from Koranay anymore. But do you really think that jihad is primarily charity?

And how then the Baghdad caliphate was created. Like the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia became Muslim. Moreover, Spain did not.
Only jihad and ghazavat, only the sword of conquest. Islam began its journey from Arabia only by the enslavement of other nations and the imposition of force and economic sanctions on them its ideology - the ideology of Islam.

And these postulates of jihad and ghazavat remain valid to this day. Why not? There are no opportunities only. And with a nuclear club there will be an opportunity.

[yacht]

Our guide is bluffing! The fact is that we support Iran not at all out of love for it, but solely on the basis of Russia's interests.
And by denying Iran support, we thereby inflict an irreparable blow on our own interests.
The fall of Iran means the emergence of such a geopolitical situation in which Russia finally loses its position in the Caucasus, in the waters of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia.
So I’m sure that the stupidity that Medvedev did will have to somehow compensate Iran, but this is the subject of negotiations.

[upasika1918]

Iran, never, I emphasize NEVER, was an ally of Russia. For the whole history of relationships. Persia, subsequently, Iran has always been (a) either a direct enemy or an ally (servant) of the enemy. It is understandable. Being the arena of the Big Game (B.I.), one should not feel sympathy for the Players. The Return of Russia to B.I. as one of the Main Players it is impossible to avoid by definition. It is important to PLAY LITERATURE.

[Su24]

To scatter such statements, you need to know at least the basics of geopolitics. NOW, at the present time, Iran is an ally of Russia, simply based on the fact that it is openly opposed to Atlanticism, globalism, in a word, the West. The same West is our adversary, and therefore Iran is our ally.

[bairat]

I wonder why these S-300s will not be delivered in the quiet through the Caspian Sea? The story of the Arctic City is a failed attempt to smuggle the S-300 through international waters.

[Su24]

It seems that it was an attempt to deliver to Syria. Of course, Iran would be transported to Iran.

[Jeen]

Oh no no no...
Or cute scolding, just amuse?

[Ruslan67]

I don’t impose my opinion, but: until our foreign policy sometimes seems lethargic sometimes inconsistent an element of uncertainty remains in everything and this is a powerful deterrent in itself if a nuclear superpower pops up at the most unexpected moment, then all plans and calculations will go to a distant and bright star as an example, though not very successful in scale, the introduction of our paratroopers into the pristina

[Su24]

I disagree. Just inconsistent i.e. unpredictable foreign policy is a provoking destabilizing factor. If our opponents will always understand that on occasion, as they say, they will immediately receive soup, then they will not try to attack. And if the policy is inconsistent, then there is a legitimate temptation - "what if Russia does nothing this time?" So, for example, they surrendered Libya. And if the UN Security Council had not allowed the resolutions on the "no-fly zone" to pass, then all these democratizers would still be stalled in Libya.

[escobar]

Is it in Russia's interest to supply Iran with the S-300 - more unconditionally. And the question of economic character in the current conditions is far from the first place. Why isn’t it delivered? I think the reason is also at the level of security of the country. What to choose a hypothetical threat after the fall of Iran or a momentary collapse of the ruble and the economy, the threat of the collapse of the country. All roads lead not to Rome but to Washington.

[cobra66]

The United States and Ishrail suspects that Iran has nuclear weapons and poisons, but everyone knows that Israel has it for sure and everything to one place

[Beck]

Cobra.
Israel has nuclear weapons. 99% there. But Israel never, unlike Iran, did not say that any state should be wiped off the face of the earth.
Ischrail never spoke, unlike Iran, which will establish a NEW WORLD ORDER OF JUDAISM on earth.

Just like India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons. But these countries never said that it was necessary to destroy a state. Even with border issues strained between India and Pakistan, neither side threatened each other with nuclear weapons.

[vostok68]

Yes, like five years ago, the Israeli defense minister said the same thing, and he brought us as an example (America cannot be cited as such)

[them]

This is empty fuss for covering your eyes. The wrong cards are at stake to gnaw on trifles.

[Nickname]

Email header! Fucking like it!
Iran plans to completely abandon the Internet by 2013

[53-Sciborskiy]

Tehran is now in no position to stand in a relationship with Russia.

[Gromila555]

SEE SOURCE PLEASE - DUCK. CHECK OF PUBLIC OPINION. As proof - not a single surname, not a single name of the ministry, NOTHING ...

[T72B]

Beck.
Ischrail never spoke, unlike Iran, which will establish a NEW WORLD ORDER OF JUDAISM on earth.

Judge him not by his words, but by deeds. And why install what has already been installed?

[Beck]

T72B.
I meant the state of Israel, not the Jews.

And as for the Jews, this is a difficult question. The main reason that they do not like, only in my opinion, is that they are SMART. 90% of Nobel laureates are Jews. Half of the world's philosophers are Jews. They invented all sorts of ISMs. Capitalism, communism, etc. Most of the billionaires are Jews. Almost all Bolsheviks were Jews. But evil also needs a mind. Without a mind, a country like Russia cannot be knocked off pantaliku, and just cannot be overturned. If you look around your house, who lives better - again the Jews. And why so?

My opinion. Because no people in the world were persecuted so much as Jewish. Their whole story, from the Nativity of Christ, is persecution, pogroms, ruin, murder. It is sacrilegious to speak, but Jewish fools died out from these pogroms. Only the smartest, the fittest remained.

Why do Jews live all over the world? Yes, because they were zealously expelled from the promised land. The first time was 550 years ago, when the Babylonian king conquered Israel and resettled the Jews in Babylon. Then part went back, part remained and scattered. This is the first scattering of the Jews. In the 1st and 2nd centuries of our era, after unsuccessful revolts against Rome, the Romans turned into slaves most of the Jews and resettled to Rome and their other provinces. This is the second scattering. But poty and went further.

I have long wondered why Jews are so smart. Then I understood.

In order for the Kazakhs to be so smart, we would have to go through two thousand years of persecution. But who will agree to this today?

[Yeraz]

And the pictures are S-300 from the military parade in Baku.

[suharev-52]

I consider this article provocative. There is nothing to discuss. The question of S-300 is likely to be resolved. The supply contract was signed by Putin. And he, unlike the iPod, does not back down from decisions. There is some kind of game. And we, not having information, in vain we use verbal diarrhea. Sincerely.

[Shulz-1955]

If you just can’t deliver missiles, then by a court decision it means you can.

[gor]

and blackmail something homies?))))))))) actually this is the policy of the Russian Federation with those countries to which it owes something

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gor

in fact, this is the policy of the Russian Federation with those countries to which it owes something

And that Moldova no longer has debts or it is not profitable to consider its debts on the site.

[gor]

what difference does it make to you and what doesn’t exist. You once gave the Chinese a nuclear bomb and are now afraid of them))))))))))))) Medvedev openly said that you are losing the Far East

[bairat]

Quote: Beck

Ischrail never spoke, unlike Iran, which will establish a NEW WORLD ORDER OF JUDAISM on earth.

Do you know how they mock Arabs? There has been no such genocide since the time of Polpot, and for some reason few people care. They expel Arabs from houses and lands, deprive them of access to water (and what does this mean in the desert?), Without hesitation they smash entire neighborhoods if there is any suspicion of militants. It makes no difference to me their peaceful statements, for their crimes they will receive a second Holocaust. Deservedly, because they behave like fascists. And they will be rewarded. Amen.

[Beck]

bayrath.
Where to start? Since the creation of Adam or from Jesus? Space is not enough in the comet. Perhaps I'll start from later times.

The Arab wars of Islam captured Israel in the 8th century and not just captured, but also moved to the promised lands. Arabs settled not compactly, but throughout Israel with separate villages interspersed with Jewish villages. In the 15th century, the Ottoman Empire captured all the lands of the Arab caliphate. After the defeat of Turkey in the First World War in 1918, the entire Middle East was transferred under the mandate of England and France. Then there were no separate states like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan. After World War II, 1945, England and France, obeying the time of the end of the era of colonialism, decided to create independent states in the Middle East. At their discretion, they drew borders and only then did Syb, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon appear on the world map.

In 1948, the UN decided to create two states on the territory of the lands of ancient Israel. This is modern Israel and Palestine. And they were created. Although Palestine is the ancient land of the Hebrews, the biblical cities of Bethlehem and Nablus are still located there. The Arabs of the Middle East did not agree that Israel was becoming independent, they wanted the lands of Israel to remain Arab. But they were not able to cancel the UN resolution. Therefore, the Arabs of Palestine expelled from their lands about 500 thousand Jews to Israel. Expelled with pogroms and murders. Israel did not drive the Palestinians living on the territory of Israel, and this is about 500 thousand people and now they are full citizens of Israel.

In 1948, all the Arab states surrounding Israel attacked him. In order to destroy the Jewish state and dump the Hebrews themselves into the sea. The surrounding Arabs were about 40 million, Jews about 2 mil. The Jews beat the aggressors to smithereens. Subsequently, the Arab states attacked Israel more than once, but were always beaten. What Israel wants is for the neighbors to recognize its right to exist, that’s all. Just as Israel recognizes the right to the existence of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria.

Let the Islamic militants not blow up civilian planes, let them not blow up buses, let them not fire rockets, and then the Israeli military will not kill the militants. Who now provides the life of the Gaza Strip with electricity, water, food - Israel. He finances Gaza. And Islamic militants fired rockets from Gaza.

So, before talking about the Holocaust, a bayrat needs to know history. Allah does not give his blessing to extremists and will not. INSHALLA - all in the power of Allah.

[bairat]

Becku
Maybe I dreamed of illegal Jewish settlements? On what basis are people driven away by destroying homes with bulldozers? Long crossed the borders of the 48th year and can not stop. Naturally, the Palestinians resist the occupation, this is the legal right of all peoples, the defense of the homeland is not extremism. Under the tacit consent of the world community (well, in another way, this is the main ally of the United States), crimes are being created for which they will inevitably be punished.
No need to finance Gaza, lift the blockade and they will provide for themselves, at the same time let them return the illegally seized land. Although to whom I say this, these are Jews when they returned what.

[Beck]

Bayrath.

There was no blockade of Gaza. So far, exreminists from Gaza did not come to the cities of Israel and explode shuttle buses with civilian passengers. If the blockade is lifted now, the extremists will transfer their missile launchers directly to the cities.

Israel has long been asking its neighbors to sign peace in exchange for territory. The neighbors do not want to sign such agreements, which means they want to do something in the future. In the year 1966. As a result of the 6-day war, Israel defeated the armies of Egypt, Jordan and Syria simultaneously on three fronts at once. Captured the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the Golan Heights near Syria and the West Bank, and this is Palestine near Jordan. So that you know from 1948 to 1966, the Palestinian lands were captured precisely by Jordan. Israel captured them only in 1966. Arabs wanted their state so that it was necessary to attack Israel. In 1973, Egypt Anwar Sadat again attacked Israel and again Egypt was defeated. Israeli troops were already standing on the other side of the Suezv, on the highway leading to Cairo. Only by UN resolution, Israel did not capture Cairo and withdrew its troops. Anwar Sadat realized that Israel cannot be taken by force and in 1977 signed a peace treaty with Israel recognizing its right to exist. Israel returned Sinai to Egypt. Syria and Jordan still do not want to sign such peace treaties. Syria will sign a peace treaty as Egypt, and then Israel will return the Golan Heights.

Palestine itself currently lives autonomously under the leadership of the Fatah party. They hold their own elections, there their own, local government. With bulldozers, Israel demolishes not only Arabs, but Jews. These are those that are built illegally. Palestinians themselves cannot understand each other. Fatah of Palestine is fighting with Hamas Gaza.

What goes around comes around. There was no need to attack Israel from the very beginning. It was necessary to sign peace treaties recognizing Israel as a state.

Bayrat in you is only blind hatred, without knowledge of the history of the issue. Once again, I repeat the whole situation, the Arabs started it. Israel only defended itself and WIN.

[Cynic]

Quote: Beck

Israel has long been asking its neighbors to sign peace in exchange for territory. The neighbors do not want to sign such agreements, which means they want to do something in the future.

Hmm.
Have you ever thought about the meaning of what you write?
Sorry, but this impression you do not express your thoughts, and quote read.
Photographic memory?
By the way, it’s read in advertising leaflets: What kind of Israel is good, but the Arabs are bad.

[Beck]

Zinnik.

Respect your deeply sobbed MDA. If I hadn’t thought, I would have written. If there are no thoughts, then there is nothing to write. Once, a long time ago, 42 years ago, I READ, for 7 years, many books on medicine, and now setting out my diagnosis to the patient and prescribing treatment for him, I QUOTE what I read in my youth. And without photographic memory, but only remembering what was learned.

What I wrote in advertising leaflets is NO. The volume of advertising booklets does not allow this. I was 16 years old when in 1966 the 6 day war of Israel against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan began at the same time. Since then, I have been following developments in the Middle East. And then I delved into historical sources trying to understand the essence of the conflict. So, having with you the history of these events, of course, is not very accurate, time. I expressed mine. precisely his opinion about the causes of the conflict and about who attacked whom and who demanded.

And I did not write that Israel is "good"; any state in history has its drawbacks. I wrote that Israel, from the very beginning of its modern history, was attacked and defended itself from aggressors.

And I never said that the Arabs as a nation are "bad". I wrote that Arab states have been attacking Israel since 1948. In an attempt to destroy the state of Israel, recreated under a UN mandate, and throw the Jewish people into the sea. By the way, the words "throw into the sea" are not mine. These are the phrases of journalists in the 60s - 70s about the goals of attacking neighboring countries on Israel.

If you have thoughts in your head arise from scratch. Without reliance on the luggage of previously acquired information, this is already yours personally.

Best wishes.

[Cynic]

Quote: Beck

Once, a long time ago, 42 years ago, I READ, for 7 years, many books on medicine, and now ...

Thank you, it’s now clear that this is professional: Write a lot and essentially nothing, because write for yourself.
Sorry, but again you don’t think about what you write.
No, inaccurate.
More correct: You don’t think how they will perceive what you write!

Quote: Beck

Once, a long time ago, 42 years ago, I READ, for 7 years, many books on medicine, and now setting out my diagnosis to the patient and prescribing treatment for him, I QUOTE what I read in my youth. And without photographic memory, but only remembering what was learned.

The thoughtlessness of the writing hurts the eye and becomes a pity for the time lost in reading.
It is especially a shame that, in principle, we are like-minded in this matter.
Yes

Quote: Beck

Zinniku

Thanks that Price tag

[Beck]

Zinnik.

Respected. How can I not think about it? I think, very much even. I am aware that I am writing to strangers, not like-minded people. And I am fully aware that PERCEPTION will be very different. Very varied. In fact, it should be different. It is impossible to imagine a world with one opinion, but for a personal self this will be boring. Opinions will be from "good" to "checkmate". But this is everyone's business. I expressed my opinion, my point of view, and absolutely not for the forcible conversion to my faith. I just expounded the facts that, perhaps, or perhaps not possible, in other people, superimposed on their world view, will cause other associations of current events.

Ours for your attention.

[Beck]

Zinnik.

I would also like to add. I set out to Bayrat like this because I saw a blind man in his words, only on feelings of hatred, in this case, to the Jews. And without reliable justification. I assume, by the pseudonym Bairat, that he is possibly a Muslim and his hatred is based only on the basis of religious rejection. And religions always divide people not by the road, but by faith. They are not Christians, they are not Muslims. They are not Catholics, they are not Protestants. They are not Shiites, they are not Sunnis. They are not ours. Etc.

All to you.

[bairat]

Quote: Beck

I set out to Bayrat like this because I saw a blind man in his words, only on feelings of hatred, in this case, to the Jews. And without reliable justification.

Search YouTube for "Israeli occupation" and watch a couple of movies from the list. This will be a reliable justification for my position.

[Beck]

Bayrath.

The first who created these films? Is it not Islamic terrorist fighters as a means of propaganda. Propaganda is propaganda. The Nazis also had propaganda films about the atrocities of the Red Army. I do not deny that from the Israeli side the same actions were not appropriate to humanity. But they are many times less than the militants. And that was the answer.

I have the impression that you are not reading my comments to the end. You rested on one thing - Down with the Jews. You do not refute any argument, date, fact that I have cited, do not even question them. If you brought the facts that it was the Jews in 1948, the first attacked the Arabs. That in the late 40s and early 50s it was the Jews who captured Palestine, not Jordan. That in 1966, Jews headlong attacked the Arab countries, and not Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel. That it was the Jews who blew up passenger planes of other countries. That the Jews blew up a bus in Burgas with Arab tourists. Then it was possible to talk about something. You are discussing like a fanatic.

Why a fanatic. Yes, because of the many that I brought you, you did not dispute anything.

The latter, you are openly calling on the Internet for a second Holocaust. Holocaust. Do you even understand the meaning of this word? This word denotes the complete destruction of the people. Whatever. You call to kill all, to one. Men, women, the elderly, children, and even those who are in the womb. I thought that with my arguments I will lead you astray. I see this is not so. You are a religious fanatic, an extremist, a hater, a potential killer.

You must be held criminally liable for calls for the Holocaust, and therefore for murders. And I will try to do it.

[bairat]

Quote: Beck

You do not refute any argument, date, fact that I have cited, do not even question them

I do not refute your arguments because the Palestinian children today are not to blame for those events, but they are primarily affected.

Quote: Beck

The first who created these films?

I filter propagandists. Those films that made me cry and hate today's Israel were shot by Europeans.

[Beck]

Bayrath.

In wars, extremist attacks, everyone suffers. And the children of the Jews. There are currently no extremist Jewish organizations blowing up buses.

Due to the fact that you were crying over some of them, this is not a reason to call for the Holocaust of others.

From the very beginning, the Arabs had to live within the borders that were drawn by the UN.

Once again I repeat you hater. And your words above do not mean that you repent in your calls for the destruction of another people. I assumed that after my last comment you will somehow try to obscure your call for the Holocaust. But you don’t have it.

You will answer before the law.

[bairat]

Quote: Beck

. I assumed that after my last comment you will somehow try to obscure your call for the Holocaust.

Without excuses, what would you understand I explain: I do not urge the Holocaust. I warn you, the crimes committed today against the Palestinian people will not go unpunished, and you can well get the second Holocaust.

Quote: Beck

There are currently no extremist Jewish organizations blowing up buses.

But there is an extremist state - Israel, which drove the Palestinians into the ghetto did not leave them any other opportunity to express their protest except through terrorist attacks.

Quote: Beck

From the very beginning, the Arabs had to live within the borders that were drawn by the UN.

Does this give you the right to kill them, a civilized person?

[Beck]

Bayrath.

It is in this comment that you insert the words "you may well get a second holocaust." In the first comment, you definitely wrote. TO ME WITHOUT DIFFERENCE, THEIR PEACE-LOVING STATEMENTS, FOR THEIR CRIMES THEY WILL RECEIVE A SECOND HOLOCAUST. DESIGNATED, FOR THEY LEAD THEMSELVES AS Fascists. AND REWARD TO THEM. AMEN. Amen is the blessing of the holocaust.

Terrorist attacks against civilians are never acceptable. It was necessary to fight bravely, if they had already attacked, with the army of Israel. Or now attacks on military installations, on units of the Jewish army, on state institutions of the Jewish state. Then it could be attributed to guerrilla resistance. But it’s dangerous there, they can kill there. It’s easier to blow up a bus with civilians with impunity.

I do not give anyone the right to kill the innocent. When destroying militants, casualties are also quite possible. After all, Jews do not subject the Gaza Strip to massive bombardments, try to deliver targeted strikes, but random innocent people can die here. But these are not targeted explosions of civilian aircraft not even belonging to Israel.

[Cynic]

Quote: Beck

It’s easier to blow up a bus with civilians with impunity.

Yeah, and at the same time explode, in most cases, yourself!
Some kind of perverse sense of security.
And you, sorry, both ( Beck & bairat ) never thought about why this is actually the case for such a long time.
Yes, sorry, again: Have you ever really wondered, but what kind of shisha do opponents live on? Well, Israel is clear, but the proud freedom-loving people are the enemy?

[Beck]

Cynic.

A suicide bomber is not a mastermind. The mastermind himself doesn’t. And he doesn’t put a suicide belt on his blood son. He sends people stupefied with blind faith. Now, if the mastermind gathered the group and attacked the military patrol, or the city hall of any Israeli city, then everyone would have recognized that these were partisan actions. But it’s dangerous there, they can kill there. Therefore, it is better to blow up a plane or a bus using blissful.

The conflict has been going on for such a long time. Because the Arab countries adjacent to Israel did not go to peace talks. And they do not want to recognize Israel as a sovereign state. And they contain terrorist organizations on their territories that commit terrorist acts. The only exception was Egypt, which signed a peace treaty with Israel and received Sinai back.

Elected by the Egyptian people, from the party of moderate Muslims, President Mursi understands that this cannot continue. And as you know, he responded with decisive military measures against terrorists at the border near the Gaza Strip.

There will be no terrorist acts; the ground will be for further peace negotiations.

Palestinian autonomy in the West Bank lives mainly on money allocated by the International Community of the West. In the Gaza Strip, money is allocated from the budget of Israel. Israel also supplies Gaza with electricity, water, and forwards humanitarian aid from its ports to Gaza. This is general, I don’t know the details and accuracy

[Cynic]

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Palestinian autonomy in the West Bank lives mainly on money allocated by the International Community of the West.

And a lot of money!
Peace and order in this part of the world will make these cash flows unnecessary.
Do you really think so. that people (rather non-humans in my opinion) sitting on these money rivers voluntarily refuse them ?!

[Beck]

Cynic.

I do not know the amount of money. But it was enough for Yasser Arafat to supply Fatah combat groups with this money and use it for some other needs. Because he did not give a report to anyone. Journalists, at one time wrote that Arafat simply could give a million, like a close friend, on a dubious initiative. His wife was resting in Europe. And the militants compiled disaster booklets for the Palestinian people. Now the current head of Fatah, Mahmoud Abbas, is managing this money. And to whom he reports and whether I report at all, I do not know.

I fully agree that peace and order will make this money unnecessary .. One thing remains. All neighboring countries recognize the state of Israel as a sovereign state and the right of Jews as a people to exist. All this is done not by terrorist acts, but by signing peace treaties, which Israel and the West have been insisting on for about 50 years ..

Imagine that the West generally refuses to contain Palestine and Gaza. Can you imagine what the howls will raise the Orthodox, manipulating hunger, mercilessness, etc. I am sure that the West, all these years, is also not happy every year to take money from its budget and give it away for no reason.

How could he answered as he knew.

[Beck]

ALL RUSSIANS.

I CONGRATULATE YOU WITH VOLLEYBALL GOLD AND GOLD IN

ART GYMNASTICS.

[bairat]

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All neighboring countries recognize the state of Israel as a sovereign state and the right of Jews as a people to exist.

Ok, we recognize the boundaries of the 48th year. Take down your castle fortresses? You can not answer, I know not, and I have no doubt that you will find 100 reasons for this.
Do you want to fight honestly with Arabs? Remove the blockade, let them arm themselves. In the meantime, in your opinion, an honest way of war for the Arabs is to attack your machine guns with stones. This does not happen.

[Beck]

Bayrath.

The issue of the fortresses of settlements, the borders of 48 years and other contentious issues are resolved during the peace negotiations, and not by terrorist acts. If Israel has repelled all attacks of the Arab armies in 52 years, it is ridiculous to think that it will follow the path of terrorism.

Your logic is strange. Let the arabapm arm themselves? Maybe Israel will give the Arabs all their Merkava tanks. All over the world, all countries take care of their weapons themselves and make sure that their neighbors do not overtake them in this matter.

In 1948, the armaments of the Arab armies and the Jewish armies were the same, it was mainly small arms .. And the Arabs had an overwhelming numerical superiority, but were defeated. In 1966, the armies of Jordan, Syria and Egypt had combat aircraft, tanks, and artillery. In total, their technique was much superior to Israeli. And by the number of soldiers the Arabs exceeded the enemy by several times. But the Arab armies were crushed to smithereens in six days. In 1973, the armies of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan also had superiority in technology and in the number of soldiers. Only Syria attacked a single avalanche of 1000 T-54 and T-55 tanks.
Israel was able to display only about 500 Centurion tanks. In the ensuing tank battle, the tank forces of Syria were defeated and their remnants retreated.

The superiority of the Izralil army was not in technology and in the number of soldiers, EXCELLENCE was in the souls of soldiers. They defended their promised land. They excelled the Arabs in perseverance, in courage, in self-sacrifice, in courage, in discipline.
If the crew of the tank is not disciplined and cowardly, then no new tank will help this crew.

And which country will calmly allow terrorists to get hold of an airplane and a bomb, so that later this bomb explodes in their city. Well, there is no such thing.

If Israel repelled all the aggressions, then by terror they could not be persuaded. All that remains is negotiations and a peaceful settlement of all problems. But the terrorists do not want this, they want to destroy Israel. But in the foreseeable future this is not expected. They don’t want a terrorist world, then let them not whine.

[Darck]

And I warned that Iran would show its ass to Russia.