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The Sukhaya River Incident: 70 Years of American Bombardment of a Soviet Airfield

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It so happened that many people quite sincerely believe that the confrontation between the US and the USSR, albeit a very fierce one, took place exclusively within the framework of the Cold War, that is, without shots and bloodshed. If they clashed in open battle, it was exclusively on a foreign land. And the treacherous attacks of the Americans on our country, its bombing and shelling existed only in the fantasies of political propagandists. So: this is the deepest delusion.


Few people know and remember this, but the first strikes of the American aviation not only on our aircraft, but also on ground forces, they were applied at the final stage of the Great Patriotic War, when it was fought in Germany. One of the best Soviet aces, Ivan Kozhedub (and not the only one), had shot down US Air Force planes. However, this is somewhat different история, and today we will recall the tragic incident that happened 5 years after the victory, on October 8, 1950, and in places extremely remote from the defeated Third Reich - on the territory of the Soviet Far East.

The matter looked like this: in connection with the sharply aggravated situation near the borders of the USSR (the beginning of the war in Korea), it was decided to redeploy units of military aviation closer to our borders, which were supposed to provide them with more reliable cover. One of these units, transferred to the Sukhaya Rechka field airfield in the Khasansky district of the Primorsky Territory, was the 821st Fighter Regiment of the 190th Fighter Aviation Division.

At that time, there were three full-fledged squadrons, manned by Bell P-63 Kingcobra fighters received during the Great Patriotic War as part of "Lend-Lease". These old cars were "ushatany", as they say, to the limit, but what was at hand, they moved to the border. The pilots who took up positions in the new positions knew very well about the fighting on the Korean Peninsula, but did not expect that what was happening there would affect them. The vast majority of our military continued to see the Americans as allies in the anti-Hitler coalition.

All the more their amazement was when at about 16 o'clock on a clear and sunny day, two clearly alien jet planes emerged from behind the nearby hills and rushed to the airfield. With what specific intentions, it became clear after both US Air Force F-80 Shooting Star fighters (and it was they) opened a hurricane of cannon and machine gun fire on the runway and the vehicles standing on it. Looking ahead, I will say: up to a dozen (according to official data - seven) of our aircraft were damaged by a sudden blow, at least one of them burned to the ground. There were no casualties among the personnel. But this, again, according to official data ...

None of the commanders who were at the scene of the incident thought to give the command to take off, knowing full well that the old piston "Cobras" against the jet "shooters" have no chances. Especially in the current situation. For this, they were subsequently accused of almost cowardice, but then the most unpleasant claims were removed - they sorted it out. However, organizational conclusions still followed: both the commander of the attacked air regiment and one of his deputies were demoted in positions.

At the international level, the scandal was also serious: Andrei Andreevich Gromyko, then Deputy Foreign Minister of the USSR, spoke from the UN rostrum with an angry note about the treacherous attack. The then US President Harry Truman personally had to take the rap for what happened, in a record (for Americans!) Two weeks, he fully admitted not only the fact of the incident, but also the American side's guilt in it. Washington assured Moscow that all those responsible for the incident suffered the most severe punishment and offered to "compensate for material damage." The times were Stalinist: the USSR refused to give American handouts and agreed with them that it was not worth making public what happened near Sukhaya Rechka.

On this, in fact, the more or less coherent official version ends, and then solid questions and riddles begin. The main one: why, despite the complete denial that one of our military men was injured during the raid on the territory of the former airfield, there is a monument in the official register listed as “an unnamed mass grave of Soviet pilots who died in repelling an attack by American bombers in 1950 "? According to local residents, the remains of either ten or twice as many people are buried under the modest monument.

Serious dark secret ... If the USSR at the highest level recognized the fact of the strike on the airfield, then why denied the victims? Finally, why is the grave "nameless" and common? Tea, not in 1941 it was - the identity of all the victims could be established without difficulty. And bury it with dignity. Or ... Is it some other incident? Clashes with the Americans that year in Primorye occurred more than once, and there were definitely casualties on both sides. Some are talking about dozens of American attacks. Alas, we are unlikely to find out the answer.

It is also an open question whether the attack on Sukhaya Rechka was a "tragic mistake," as the United States claimed for many decades, or a planned act of aggression. The Americans, both then, in 1950, and subsequently repeated about "navigational errors" and "lost their way" pilots who had the task of striking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." Kilometers of some sort for a hundred ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such a brazen and cynical lie, so familiar to the Stars and Stripes.

Eyewitnesses of those events claim that no "low visibility" and other meteorological conditions, on which the "error" could be attributed, were not observed at all. Moreover, both hijackers, US Air Force pilots Alton Kwonbeck and Allen Diefendorf, who were allegedly "put on trial by a military tribunal" (according to Truman) quietly served in combat aviation for 22 and 33 years, respectively. In addition, Kwonbek later made a very good career in the CIA. Suggestive ...

It is also not entirely clear how the enemy fighters "slipped through" the air defense system of Primorye, which was covered, in addition to the army, by the forces of the Pacific fleet (by the way, the attacked air regiment belonged to them). The Great Patriotic War weaned everyone away from carelessness and relaxation. Or not all? At least almost immediately after the incident, combat duty was introduced in the aviation units with the constant presence of pilots in aircraft ready for takeoff. Also in Primorye, the 303rd Air Division, already armed with jet MiG-15s, was instantly deployed.

Only one thing can be said unequivocally: the Americans arrived, obviously planning a raid on Sukhaya Rechka as an act of intimidation, literally on their own heads. It was useless to frighten Comrade Stalin, but after that he lost all doubts about the true intentions of the "allies". And he gave the order to form the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps under the command of Ivan Kozhedub, whose aces shot down so many American planes in the Korean War that it was enough to pay off for Sukhaya Rechka in full.
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 9 October 2020 10: 35 New
    +3
    It was necessary not only to arrange an honorary funeral for the victims, but also to strip the maximum compensation from the Americans.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 9 October 2020 10: 43 New
      14
      Memorial exists.
      The memory of the heroes is honored to this day.
      And the calculation was complete.
      "under the command of Ivan Kozhedub, whose aces shot down so many American planes in the Korean War that it was enough to pay for Sukhaya Rechka in full"
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 9 October 2020 15: 06 New
        +8
        That, however, did not prevent on July 27, 53, to shoot down a transport silt 12 of the KTOF Air Force over China, especially if we take into account the testimony of Ralph Parr
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 9 October 2020 16: 26 New
          +6

          A monument to this event was erected in the center of Vladivostok.
        2. phair
          phair 12 October 2020 03: 38 New
          +2
          The command staff of the KTOF was supposed to fly there. But he left on another flight. They shot down on a tip.
  2. MP
    MP 9 October 2020 10: 37 New
    0
    American hotheads could not resist the temptation to "pinch the commies". We decided to make a pirate raid, believing that everything would get away with it. Apparently they did not seriously consider that the answer could be a nuclear bomb. Ours probably gave them an unequivocal understanding that this would happen again and not be good for them.
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 9 October 2020 10: 43 New
      -6
      Are you sternly silent?
    2. parma
      parma 9 October 2020 13: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Mpx
      American hotheads could not resist the temptation to "pinch the commies". We decided to make a pirate raid, believing that everything would get away with it. Apparently they did not seriously consider that the answer could be a nuclear bomb. Ours probably gave them an unequivocal understanding that this would happen again and not be good for them.

      in October 1950? A nuclear bomb? but nothing that only in March 1950 the creation of this very bomb was only announced ... Neither a large stock of these very bombs, let alone delivery vehicles (I’m generally silent about the territory of the United States itself) even to targets in Europe at the disposal of the Soviet authorities was not ... And I think the Americans knew about it very well ...
      Regarding the article, as if I did not go to VO, but turned on the REN-TV channel ...
      1. MP
        MP 13 October 2020 11: 42 New
        +1
        The Americans had only two of them and they did not hesitate to use one at once. There were enough targets for our nuclear strike both in Western Europe and in Japan. And the same US troops in North Korea. The USSR had delivery vehicles. These are long-range bombers TU-4 - a copy of the American B-29.
        1. parma
          parma 13 October 2020 15: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Mpx
          The Americans had only two of them and they did not hesitate to use one at once. There were enough targets for our nuclear strike both in Western Europe and in Japan. And the same US troops in North Korea. The USSR had delivery vehicles. These are long-range bombers TU-4 - a copy of the American B-29.

          The first squadron of Tu-4, as far as I remember, was formed only in the summer of 1951, the first experimental dropping of bombs in the fall of 1951 ... by that time the United States had over 700 charges (it reached the point that by 1955 the Americans had already written off some of the bombs as obsolete and replaced them with something fresher ) ... so once again - an atomic strike from the USSR against NATO targets was impossible ... well, or fatal for the alliance itself ..
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 12: 34 New
      0
      .See not seriously considered that the answer could be a nuclear bomb.

      What a ridiculous fantasy.
    4. John22
      John22 13 October 2020 14: 25 New
      +1
      We forget the words of S.O. Makarova - REMEMBER THE WAR. There was no anti-aircraft cover or it didn't work - not your own plane over the airfield - the enemy - shooting to kill! And where was the line on duty? Did you sleep or did the war end seaside? That is why our sorrows - we forget the truth!
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 October 2020 10: 41 New
    +5
    Well, ours at the end of the war also did not always make "curtseys" towards the belated allies ...
    From the memoirs of my grandfather, Pyotr Ivanovich, an infantry major.
    Zhukov always advocated not to divide Germany with the allies, but to liberate completely.
    When we went to the next river in Germany and [i] noticed movement on the other side, we quickly determined that it was Americans. They reported to the headquarters. There, along the chain to the top. I don’t know whether it’s true or not, but they say personally Zhukov gave the order to fire from all the barrels! Well, our division and gave the heat! Soldiers and artillerymen and tankers were shooting!
    Then, they told the "allies" that the remnants of the Wehrmacht combat units were shooting at them, which we later valiantly destroyed ...

    That's it ...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 10: 20 New
      0
      ... That's it ...


      Beautiful fairy tale.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 October 2020 10: 31 New
        -1
        We were late with the refutation. My grandfather calmed down a quarter of a century ago. If only he passed the Finnish border, and then from the western border to Stalingrad and back to Germany, they would say ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 12: 31 New
          +1
          And why, in fact, take our word for it? I especially liked the pearl about Zhukov, who, it turns out, 'stood up for something'. They were deliberately shooting, like, at the Americans, who were chased away the game, what are these tricks of the unfinished Wehrmacht? Epic.
  4. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 9 October 2020 10: 42 New
    0
    That is why it was necessary to anger the IVS, they fought with North Korea, no, it was also necessary to connect the USSR
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 9 October 2020 22: 38 New
      +1
      They could have made a raid by mistake. The planes are single, there are no navigators, the navigation equipment on the fighters is primitive, they took off from airfields in Japan - it would be easy to get lost. We saw the airfield - they attacked. In 1982 ours mistakenly landed a large landing in Iran instead of some Afghan city, there was a big scandal, the Persian "Phantoms" burned our two helicopters on the ground, barely sorted them out. At about the same time, our Tu-22 flew to Tehran, thinking that it was flying north.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 10: 24 New
      +1
      ... That is why it was necessary to anger the IVS, they fought with North Korea, no, it was also necessary to connect the USSR

      A strange, to put it mildly, view of the Korean War.
  5. Avior
    Avior 9 October 2020 10: 50 New
    +5
    It is unclear what the old planes were doing there, which had the North Kork identification marks, as the Americans claimed.
    There were many planes at the airfield - the dream of any military pilot. About 20 aircraft of the R-39 and R-63 types were lined up in two rows ... On the dark green fuselages were large red stars with a white rim. There was almost no time to make decisions, the fuel was also running out ... I entered on the left, fired several bursts, my partner Allen Diefendorf did as I did. "

    and, of course, the monument does not look very good

    1. volodimer
      volodimer 9 October 2020 16: 35 New
      +4
      Yes, indeed ... By the way, the monument to the victims of July 27, 53, also stood restless for a long time. In the 90s, there was no money, and the topic was not popular either. Although students from the nearby 28th village. they tried to look after the square.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 9 October 2020 10: 53 New
    +7
    Anything happened ... Lying on .... land "spare parts" and from American aircraft.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 9 October 2020 13: 00 New
      +1
      I didn’t know any of this before. And I didn’t see any mentions. Thanks for the article.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 October 2020 13: 49 New
        +7
        HA. OUR generation has something to tell and show! Especially about where we "were not" and we "did nothing" there!
        We did not study geography from the globe!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 October 2020 14: 18 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          HA. OUR generation has something to tell and show! Especially about where we "were not" and we "did nothing" there!
          We did not study geography from the globe!
          good Why wasn't it mentioned? Under the USSR, I was already interested in some ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 October 2020 15: 58 New
            +3
            Many do not like to tell how it was ...
            nothing special by the way, just such ... "work".
            We must live with the present, and leave the past where it was.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 9 October 2020 16: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: rocket757
              They do not like, .., to tell, ....... One must live with the present, and leave the past where it was.
              You know, Victor, I disagree about the past. Because from ignorance, myths appear, which pants are kind, wish everyone well and want to be friends, open, always smiling .. ..
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 October 2020 18: 32 New
                +2
                Dmitry, people are different everywhere ..... even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here! This is about the fact that from this side of the sight there may be the same person who does not understand, but what he is doing here! We all followed the ORDER!
                I understand only those who liberated their homeland from foreign invaders! In this case, there are no questions, as in the fight against terrorists! In all other cases, there are more questions than answers, believe me!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 October 2020 18: 46 New
                  +6
                  During perestroika, slander and lies against the USSR began. Like publicity. And what about opponents --- praises .........
                  All the same, the word staff is distorted ... request
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 October 2020 19: 06 New
                    +3
                    We can weed out lies thanks to the knowledge of how and what happened ... but there are so many of it that only our ears and brains can be protected!
                    Those who are stubborn, do not know, like all the signs, it is hardly possible to change their minds, it remains to give honest knowledge to those who can still be influenced.
                    The bad news is that without the help of the state, society, we will lose this fight. Even if there will be no more of our opponents than us, the bulk of the indifferent do not know, this is not something that I would like to leave behind!
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 9 October 2020 19: 26 New
                      +1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      We can weed out lies thanks to the knowledge of how and what happened ... but there are so many of it, .... The bad thing is that without the help of the state, society, we will lose this battle. ...!
                      Fair.
                2. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 9 October 2020 20: 31 New
                  +6
                  even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here!

                  It is off the couch, maybe so, only in 2014 in the Donbass militias tried to fight only with Bandera, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried not to touch it. However, when they were convinced that at checkpoints the "good" Ukrainian Armed Forces detain the militias and hand them over for torture and execution to various "Aydars" and other "Dobrobats", the attitude towards all opponents became the same. Strelkov spoke about this back in 2014.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 October 2020 20: 52 New
                    +5
                    I don’t write about Donbass at all, including because now my place is on the couch! Internal conflict is the most difficult category for perception and understanding.
                    For me one thing is clear, there was an anti-constitutional coup, criminal elements came to power. Some territories do not agree with this situation and decided to defend their opinion ... The criminals who seized power attacked them, a civil, military conflict began ... the end, the edge is not visible to him.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 9 October 2020 20: 56 New
                      +2
                      That's right, I wrote this to the fact that during the war there were no "good" people on the other side of the front. Perhaps there are exceptions, but, in my opinion, they only appear in films about the war.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 25 New
                        0
                        I did not write about the good / bad, about those who were sent to fight the devils where, where they themselves did not need anything from the definition at all!
                        The homeland said NECESSARY, but what the soldier himself needed there, many did not understand, sometimes to the end.
                        That's what I didn't understand on the couch, about that and ...
                      2. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 9 October 2020 22: 18 New
                        +1
                        about those who were sent to fight the devils where, where they themselves did not need anything from the definition at all!

                        The Ukrainian conscripts in Donbass didn’t need anything, but not everyone was able to go over to the militia. The first "Nona" with crews Shooters got exactly that. And the rest of the Armed Forces were later tied in blood and began to fight against the militias.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 10 October 2020 09: 59 New
                        0
                        I wrote from the very beginning that the moment of "bloody frenzy" will come! This is what happened, because it ALWAYS happens !!! I wrote this to those who repeated that we are all, they, people, we are all human.
                        This is not the case with everyone, but this, in fact, does not change anything.
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 11 October 2020 09: 59 New
              +1
              even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here!

              Politics exist to understand, but obedience is required from the soldier.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 23: 12 New
            0
            ... Because from ignorance, myths appear

            Myths appear one way or another. And counter-myths too. Of course, this has nothing to do with 'knowledge of the past'.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 9 October 2020 19: 02 New
        +3
        There was a lot of moronic things in Soviet propaganda during the times of Khrushch and Brezhnev. There was nothing at all about the Korean War, except for the stories of participants in distant garrisons. About Vietnam with Egypt and Syria, the situation was completely repeated. There is really secret data about the effectiveness (or inefficiency) of weapons, about losses, but everything else had to be used.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 October 2020 19: 21 New
          +1
          Yes Sergey hi At the turn of the century, there was an American TV series about a Korean TV. I remember that many were surprised when they talked about the participation of Russians.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 9 October 2020 20: 04 New
            +1
            At the turn of the century, there was an American TV series about a Korean TV. I remember that many were surprised when they talked about the participation of Russians.

            There were no "victims of the exam" yet.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 9 October 2020 20: 18 New
              +1
              The series was called "MESH". It was their hospital
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 9 October 2020 20: 24 New
                +1
                I heard something about this series, but did not know that it was about the Korean War.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 October 2020 20: 55 New
                  +3
                  There's a look at the war from a hospital, with two surgeons saving both American and civilian Koreans from Russian wounds. Including women and children and the old man, I remember ..... Surgeons are constantly making fun of different situations. I watched several episodes, and it was kind of very long ...
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 9 October 2020 22: 25 New
                    +2
                    two surgeons save both American and civilian Koreans from Russian wounds.

                    It is very interesting about the "Russian wounds" among the civilian Koreans, especially when you consider that, apart from the fighter division and the radar and searchlight calculations, our troops were not there. As everyone knows, (except for the Americans, of course), the MiG-15s did not work there, and there were not enough of them in the sky. And in another American medical series about Dr. House, it’s a hymn to their medicine, which makes the most complex operations to odorous bums for free.
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 10 October 2020 22: 16 New
                    +2
                    I hardly remember the details, like once or twice a day, at a certain time there were wounded ... probably, there are 1-2 episodes on the network. ...
                    Then there were foreign films on the cable day and night. And I didn’t look about House, somehow it’s useless, and the work in the evening ...
                  3. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 10 October 2020 22: 22 New
                    +2
                    Dmitry, I sent some material by e-mail, read it?
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 9 October 2020 20: 55 New
            0
            Dmitry, "MESH" series about Vietnam.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 9 October 2020 21: 00 New
              +2
              Victor, in the search engine and on Wikipedia it is written that South Korea
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 26 New
                +1
                Exactly, I remembered ... a film about a forgotten war !!!! and this is just about the Korean conflict.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 9 October 2020 21: 25 New
              0
              No, about the Korean War.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 43 New
                +1
                Confused the names of the cities where the military went on vacation ... Saigon, Seoul, one in Vietnam, the other in Korea. Yes, but avno saw the series. I forgot.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 9 October 2020 21: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                Confused the names of the cities where the military went on vacation ... Saigon, Seoul, one in Vietnam, the other in Korea. Yes, but avno saw the series. I forgot.

                Since cities and other bindings were not always mentioned, many even then thought that Vietnam. And then it suddenly turned out that they had brought, as they said, wounded Koreans, and not Vietnamese. And few people watched all the episodes and from the beginning
  7. bukhach
    bukhach 12 October 2020 02: 42 New
    +1
    You are wrong, it was during the Brezhnev era that I, while still a schoolboy, learned about the battles of our pilots in Korea, though without details. I remember the phrase: "dozens of American planes were shot down in battles." So some scant information leaked into the press.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 12: 36 New
    -1
    ... I didn’t know any of this before and didn’t come across any mentions.

    That means they weren't particularly interested. The incident is well known.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 October 2020 10: 55 New
    28
    For their insolence, the Yankees were forced to pay. On April 8, 1950, for example, a PB11Y-4 US Air Force bomber was shot down by a plane La-2 of the USSR Air Force in the skies of Latvia. A crew of 10 Yankees went to the bottom to feed the Baltic sprat. In May 1950, a P-11 Mustang of the US Air Force was shot down by a La-51 aircraft of the USSR Air Force in the skies over Chukotka. In December 1950, the torpedo bomber of the US Navy P2V Neptune, shot down by the MiG-15 of the USSR Air Force, went to the bottom of the Peter the Great Bay. On November 6, 1951, another US Navy Neptune torpedo bomber was sent to the bottom of Peter the Great Bay MiG-15 of the USSR Air Force, a crew of 10 Yankees went to feed the crabs. The whole list is endlessly long.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 October 2020 13: 51 New
      +4
      If we add regions where we "weren't", the list will be even longer!
      Unfortunately, it was mutual !!!
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 11 October 2020 10: 08 New
        +1
        They began the so-called policy of pressure on the USSR.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 9 October 2020 19: 03 New
      +2
      They officially said about these planes "Gone towards the sea"
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 October 2020 10: 57 New
    -1
    There were several incidents, there was a battle between La-9 and Mustangs, but without losses on both sides.
  • Mik13
    Mik13 9 October 2020 11: 19 New
    15
    With what specific intentions, it became clear after both F-80 Shooting Star fighters of the US Air Force (and it was they) opened hurricane cannon and machine gun fire along the runway and the vehicles parked on it.

    There were big problems with cannon fire - all versions of the F-80 had only 6 12.7 mm machine guns from small arms. Maybe they made a bomb attack? NAR was also installed on the F-80C.

    The Americans both then, in 1950, and subsequently repeated about "navigational mistakes" and "lost their way" pilots who had the task of striking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." Kilometers of some sort for a hundred ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such a brazen and cynical lie, so familiar to the Stars and Stripes.

    The cruising speed of the F-80C is 600 km / h. At such a speed, on unfamiliar terrain, where there are few landmarks, make a mistake by 100 km. can be easily and naturally.
    Errors in aircraft identification at that time regularly occurred even in air battles, when firing was conducted from a distance of 50-100 meters. For example, Pokryshkin shot down his Su-2 at the beginning of the war.
    When attacking, fire is opened from 500-700 meters, the probability of making a mistake is much greater.

    It is also not entirely clear how the enemy fighters "slipped through" the air defense systems of Primorye, which was covered, in addition to the army, by the forces of the Pacific Fleet (by the way, the attacked air regiment belonged to them).
    This is just understandable - at that time the "Primorye air defense systems" consisted of several VNOS posts. They could only find a pair of F-80s at low altitude by accident.

    In general, before writing articles, it would be nice to at least look at the performance characteristics of the aircraft in question. The VO wrote about the Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star back in 2013. I wonder for whom?

    https://topwar.ru/36620-lockheed-f-80-shooting-star-pervyy-amerikanskiy-seriynyy-reaktivnyy-istrebitel.html
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 9 October 2020 20: 44 New
      +5
      Dear forum user ... Look who is the author of this article .... who is who, and he does not really like to use any sources, to put it mildly, to bother with searches, analysis .... why ...
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 12: 42 New
        0
        That's right, comrade. Give, as they say, Comrade X-nom a good topic - he will ruin it utterly with his incompetence, laziness and cheap hurray-patriotism. In general, it is not entirely clear why VO is messing about his writings
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 October 2020 11: 23 New
    +3
    It is also an open question whether the attack on Sukhaya Rechka was a "tragic mistake," as the United States claimed for many decades, or a planned act of aggression.
    ....Provocation..
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 October 2020 12: 43 New
      +1
      ... Provocation

      Yes? And what is the purpose?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 11: 32 New
    +3
    The mattresses were made meaningfully, but there was also a response, only later.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 9 October 2020 12: 15 New
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    I didn't know about it. Thanks .
    He served there nearby, in Smolyanka.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 9 October 2020 13: 13 New
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    It is also an open question whether the attack on Sukhaya Rechka was a "tragic mistake," as the United States claimed for many decades, or a planned act of aggression. The Americans, both then, in 1950, and subsequently repeated about "navigational errors" and "lost their way" pilots who had the task of striking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." Kilometers of some sort for a hundred ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such a brazen and cynical lie, so familiar to the Stars and Stripes.

    Oh-ho-ho ... yes, in those days even multi-engine bombers with radio navigation, a dedicated navigator, radar stations and other pribluda were "fornicating". What can we say about single-seat fighters.
    Why go far: our elite of bombers - ADD-Schnicks - managed in 1944 instead of Turku to unload in Aland and Stockholm, at the Yankees of their "fortress" they bombed Zurich, the Fritzes worked out the backlashes in Dublin.
    1. not main
      not main 9 October 2020 23: 09 New
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      Quote: Alexey RA
      Oh-ho-ho ... yes, in those days even multi-engine bombers with radio navigation, a dedicated navigator, radar stations and other pribluda were "fornicating". What can we say about single-seat fighters.
      Why go far: our elite of bombers - ADD-Schnicks - managed in 1944 instead of Turku to unload in Aland and Stockholm, at the Yankees of their "fortress" they bombed Zurich, the Fritzes worked out the backlashes in Dublin.

      I will not stir up the past! But the errors of the crews listed by you are isolated! Although the raids were carried out in large quantities! And there are mistakes, always and everywhere!
  • Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 9 October 2020 14: 24 New
    +3
    There were indeed dozens of such attacks, as the author suggests, and they were massive! It was this fact that accelerated the transfer of jet fighters to the Far East, which had not been given due attention before! Such attacks also took place very close to Vladivostok, near the base of the USSR fleet! When I wrote about this, our "shapkozakidateli" and "checkerboards" massively poured mud at me!
  • Overheating
    Overheating 9 October 2020 15: 22 New
    +3
    The Americans did not do that. Years, I think in 1978, theirs A-12 flew over Vladik and Ussurbator. There was no protest ... They also did not boast. There were rumors of a bomber with four nuclear bombs flying over the edge. Whoever can find the "Novosti" newspaper binder in Gorky will make a sensation. The article, it seems, was called -How "The Blackbird" gave the "blackbird" to our air defense. And I learned about it the next day from a gunsmith from Unash.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 October 2020 18: 08 New
    +6
    On the evening of July 1, 1960, the state border of the Soviet Union was violated by an RB-47 reconnaissance aircraft under the control of an American crew. The plane was supposed to fly over the strategic military facilities of the USSR; special equipment was installed on board to track the signals of domestic radar stations.
    The reconnaissance aircraft headed for the mouth of the White Sea in the area of ​​Cape Holy Nose.
    The crew consisted of six people, including the commander, co-pilot, navigator and three flight engineers serving the radar.
    The aircraft was discovered by our radar station on its way and a MiG-19 piloted by Captain Vasily Polyakov was launched into the air. The Americans noticed the fighter, but did not change the course and continued to go deeper into our territory. The American did not react to the requests and commands of our fighter "Follow me" (according to the international code) and did not change the course. Polyakov reported this to the command and received a completely reasonable order to shoot down the intruder, which he did, giving several bursts of a 30-mm aircraft cannon. Boeing's engine under the left wing caught fire, it began to lose control and went into a stall. Commander William Palm gave the command to the crew to leave the car, but (for some unknown reason) only both the pilot and the navigator were able to do this, and the flight mechanics never left the plane.
    The co-pilot and navigator splashed down, used liferafts, and a few hours later they were picked up by the Tobolsk fishing trawler, the body of Commander Palm was found the next day, he died of hypothermia, all flight mechanics drowned along with the plane.
    Captain Polyakov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner and the Brezhnev Prize on July 12, 1960.
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 9 October 2020 22: 43 New
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      There is a documentary about this event! The Americans claimed that their plane flew strictly over neutral waters and the Russians had no right to shoot down the plane!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 9 October 2020 23: 05 New
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        Hi Aleksey. hi
        A similar story happened when a South Korean passenger Boeing was shot down relatively recently. Well, there at least rested on the fact that he "got lost".
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 08 New
          +1
          Above about. Sakhalin in 1983? A very murky story!
    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 9 October 2020 22: 54 New
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      "The plane was supposed to fly over the strategic military facilities of the USSR" - how is it known? Sending an RВ-47 in 1960 into Soviet airspace during the day is simply killing pilots. There, several of the crew did not even have ejection seats. The plane was supposed to fly along the borders of the USSR, American pilots were sure to the last that they did not violate the USSR border over the sea, and whether they violated it, it is not known, Polyakov opened fire without an order, for which he almost ended up on trial, thanks to his "scoundrel" Khrushchev fully justified.
      "the commands of our fighter" Follow me "(according to the international code)" - for more details, can you? What is this international code? Did the Americans know about him? If the Yankees believed they were in international waters, they did not pay attention to the evolution of the MiG (if any). It's just that in the case of the KAL-007 board, ours also wrote that they gave signals, and tried to communicate on the radio, and they opened warning fire, but it turned out that all lies.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 9 October 2020 23: 03 New
        +3
        A simple question: two members of the Boeing's crew were picked up by the Soviet trawler Tobolsk, do you think that this "unfortunate fishing trough" was hunting fish outside the territorial waters of the USSR of its own free will? Are you serious? Just don't tell the tales that "the parachutes were blown away by the wind." laughing
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 9 October 2020 23: 13 New
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          I have no idea where the Tobolsk traded. Do you think that fishing trawlers only go in deep waters? I'll tell you right away - you are wrong. But that's not the point. M. b. Yankees and violated the boundaries of territorial waters, now try to figure it out. What I'm talking about is that the Yankees believed they were working in international waters. They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide. And the fact that Polyakov opened fire over the sea, having no connection with the land. And he was put under arrest immediately after the flight. For flights over the territory of the USSR, the USA in 1960 had the RB-57 and U-2, which the MiG-19m was too tough for, and the RB-47 was already outdated and not suitable for breaking through borders at high altitude during the day.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 23 New
            +3
            They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide.

            Do the British look like fools?
            Or are they just sometimes confident of their impunity?
            The Corfu Canal Incident was one of the first episodes of the Cold War to be considered a military one. An attempt by the British fleet to demonstrate strength off the coast of Albania in the fall of 1946 resulted in heavy damage to two destroyers and the death of 44 sailors.

            warspot.ru
            Tragedy in the Corfu Channel
            Vladislav Goncharov
            05 August '20
            In the same 2009, an international expedition organized by the Institute of Marine Archeology discovered and examined the severed nose of the Volaj destroyer at the bottom of Saranda Bay. Interestingly, in the report on this expedition, published in the Institute's yearbook ("The INA Annual 2009"), the coordinates of the find were not indicated.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 9 October 2020 23: 30 New
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              1946 - British destroyers off Corfu and 1960s in the air off our north - are clearly not the same thing. The British fought a war in Greece in 1946 and Albania then directly supported the Greek rebels. Hardly di Englishmen expected to be rebuffed by the Albanian savages. The American pilots knew the Stratojet was shamelessly outdated for such flights. Do you seriously believe that American operators agreed to fly on a suicide mission without even having ejection seats?
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 35 New
                +3
                The American pilots knew the Stratojet was shamelessly outdated for such flights. Do you seriously believe that American operators agreed to fly on a suicide mission without even having ejection seats?

                And why did their bosses need them to tell the WHOLE truth?
                Ordered. We flew.
                Only now the discrepancy came out. They were told one thing (about the border), but in reality it turned out quite sadly!
                Perhaps Powers were told that it was not possible for the Russians to shoot down his U-2!
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 10 October 2020 00: 00 New
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                  “We ordered it. We flew” - perhaps, but why? Why send RB-47. if you have RB-57 and U-2 ..
                  "They were told one thing (about the border), but in reality .." - but in reality the RB-47 had a powerful radar and navigation equipment, and they could determine their position relative to the border themselves.
                  "Perhaps Powers were told that it was impossible for the Russians to shoot down his U-2!" - they said. And they did not just say, but almost everyone firmly believed that it was impossible to shoot down the U-2. But there is such a nuance - the U-2 was not a military aircraft, and Powers - from 1956 was not a military pilot, but was a career CIA pilot, i.e. knew what he was doing. In case of damage to the aircraft, he should have died, and the aircraft bore NASA identification marks. Ends into the water. Angry Russians and a hapless American civilian pilot. And the RB-47 was a USAF aircraft with USAF insignia and the pilots were military pilots in uniform. Well, look at the date - Polyakov shot down an RB-47 exactly one month after Powers' U-2. There was a big scandal, President Eisenhower admitted his guilt and banned flights over the USSR, there was still a hope of signing an important treaty with the USSR, and stupid American generals sent their pilots to the apparent slaughter, disobeying their Supreme Commander !.
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 10 October 2020 00: 05 New
                    +3
                    President Eisenhower admitted his guilt and banned flights over the USSR, there was still a hope of signing an important treaty with the USSR, and the stupid American generals sent their pilots to the apparent slaughter, disobeying their Supreme Commander !.

                    Perhaps it was "here that the dog rummaged."
                    In 200 years we will find out. Who and why poisoned these scouts under the MiG-19 cannon!
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 11 October 2020 10: 16 New
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            They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide.

            According to your military pilot just fly for a walk? The fact that the soldier obeys the order, you do not know?
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 24 New
          +3
          Tragedy in the Corfu Channel
          Vladislav Goncharov
          05 August '20
          An example of British "impudence" in relation to Albania.
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 06 New
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        If the Yankees believed they were in international waters, they did not pay attention to the evolution of the MiG (if any).

        They came up with this "excuse about the border" for the possibility of such flights! But their plane was shot down and the Yankees simply "washed and dried themselves."
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 9 October 2020 23: 35 New
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          "They came up with this" excuse about the border "for the possibility of such flights!" They didn't have to come up with an excuse. Their Canberras and U-2s safely flew above the ceiling of the MiG-19, they had no need to risk the RB-47.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 45 New
            +4
            Their Canberras and U-2s safely flew above the ceiling of the MiG-19, they had no need to risk the RB-47.

            Then why weren't they just written off? Replacing the machines you mentioned?
            And U-2 had already been shot down by that time! Then they began to shoot down in the sky of the PRC!
            Only Americans can get an answer to this incident. But they clearly won't answer in the next 100 years!
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 53 New
              +5
              Until now, the Americans have not bothered to report that the plane was shot down on December 26, 1950 over Cape Seysyura by a pair of fighters from the 523rd Fighter Aviation Regiment (Bakhaev - Kotov)!
              The plane was simply identified as B-29. But the Americans don't really say what kind of car was shot down!
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 10 October 2020 00: 46 New
              +4
              U-2 and over Cuba were shot down, most likely our air defense, so this aircraft by that time was no longer a panacea.
              And in our Park of Culture. Gorky, in one of the pavilions, a whole exhibition was organized with the wreckage of Powers' plane and with crumpled photographic equipment. There was also a bright scarlet pilot's parachute, his USAF pilot's license (by the way), overalls, a Hi-Standart 22LR pistol with an integrated silencer and the notorious cyanide needle in a glass vial. The guides at this exhibition were smart "boys" in strict suits and ties. And the queue there was longer than the Mausoleum. I honestly stood it and saw everything with my own eyes.
              1. Sergey Sfiedu
                Sergey Sfiedu 10 October 2020 17: 07 New
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                "U-2 was shot down over Cuba, most likely our air defense, so this aircraft by that time was no longer a panacea" - the same with C-75 (SA-75) missiles. It's the same in China. We ourselves had few S-75s, but they were allocated for both Cuba and China. There were no other means to shoot down U-2 at that time.
                "his USAF pilot's license (by the way)" is an ID of a US Department of Defense employee, the branch is indicated as the Air Force (not a USAF pilot's license). Since Powers was about to explode, there would be no documents left. In fact, Powers had nothing to do with the Department of Defense at that time - he was an employee of the CIA.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 10 October 2020 17: 28 New
                  +2
                  Isn't the USAF ID the American Air Force Pilot ID? Are they not the same? Although, I do not argue, the devil will understand them, these Americans.
                  I am aware that when the catapult lever was pressed, the plane should have been destroyed along with the pilot with a special explosive device, but Powers turned out to be smarter and simply, throwing back the cap, jumped out with a parachute. By the way, later, according to the story of one of our journalists, Powers was a pilot of a police helicopter.
                  Photos from the exhibition.
            3. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 10 October 2020 16: 48 New
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              "Then why didn't they just write them off? Replacing them with the machines you mentioned?" - why are they using the EU-135 now? The ERB-47H's tactics were exactly the same - to fly along the border, periodically striking it, but not so much that it would run into a shootdown, and collect data on the radar.
              "And U-2 had already been shot down by that time!" - complex C-75, exactly one month before this incident, and U-2 flew half the country. Then President Eisenhower banned reconnaissance flights over the USSR. It is clear that there was simply nothing to shoot down the U-2 over the sea near the remote coast.
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 9 October 2020 23: 48 New
            +3
            On April 8, 1950, in the area of ​​the Libava naval base, a PB4Y "Privateer" reconnaissance aircraft of the US Navy violated Soviet airspace from the Wiesbaden airbase (FRG).
            An alarmed four La-11 fighters from the 30th Fighter Aviation Regiment under the command of Senior Lieutenant B. Dokin intercepted this aircraft and, after the intruder did not comply with the requirements to follow the landing, opened fire. The Americans responded in kind. During the firefight, the intruder was shot down and fell into the sea. The crew of 10 people died.

            As you can see, the Americans were no stranger to throwing their people at Soviet aircraft guns!
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 10 October 2020 16: 53 New
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              It is quite possible to imagine that the Privatir accidentally flew into our airspace. Didn't obey? Would our pilots obey in such a situation? If the Yankees wanted a provocation, they would have accompanied the scout with escort fighters, and hell we would have shot him down. In addition, in the 1950s, the Cold War was in full swing, and in the 1960s, Eisenhower and Khrushchev actively sought to reduce the intensity of the Cold War.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 10 October 2020 23: 25 New
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                It is quite possible to imagine that the Privatir accidentally flew into our airspace. Didn't obey?

                By chance, only a brick falls on the head.
                Yes, American generals are getting into Soviet airspace!
                On October 21, 1970, a US Air Force communications aircraft of the Beechcraft U-8 type crossed the border into Armenia and entered Soviet territory. The Soviet fighters that flew to intercept forced the intruder to land at the airfield in Leninakan. The American crew consisted of two generals of the US Army - Scherer and McQuery, the pilot of the plane, Major Russell of the US Air Force, and the Colonel of the Turkish Army Dopeli. All of them were detained and after a short investigation in November of the same year, were extradited to the US authorities.
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 11 October 2020 06: 37 New
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                  What did you want to say? That two American generals flew in a cornfield to reconnoitre Soviet strategic targets?
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 11 October 2020 22: 40 New
                    +2
                    I wanted to say that only American generals could accidentally fly into the airspace of the USSR!
                    In other cases, the generals did not fly. But orders for reconnaissance flights were given! And they sent their people under the guns and missiles of Soviet interceptors and air defense systems!
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 October 2020 10: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Sending an RВ-47 in 1960 into Soviet airspace during the day is simply killing pilots. There, several of the crew did not even have ejection seats. The plane was supposed to fly along the borders of the USSR, American pilots were sure to the last that they did not violate the USSR border over the sea, and whether they violated it is unknown

        EMNIP, the RB-47 incident is similar to the incident with the Yorktown missile defense missile system on the Black Sea: the main reason was the different interpretation of the points and the method of counting the borders of the US and USSR. As a result, they believed that they were in neutral airspace, and ours believed that the Yankees had already violated the border.
  • Spring fluff
    Spring fluff 10 October 2020 09: 31 New
    -3
    A wonderful start to an article about how Kozhedub deliberately shot down two Allied aircraft during WW2. And the wonderful tone of the description - the ace taught the Americans. And then further the reverse story about the Americans with us and already comments about the treacherous attack, etc. As usual - their bad spies and our good scouts
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 10 October 2020 23: 21 New
      0
      A wonderful start to an article about how Kozhedub deliberately shot down two Allied aircraft during WW2.

      Try to look for information about incidents with American bombing of Soviet troops and you will understand why not only Kozhedub shot down American planes during the Great Patriotic War!
      For example -
      Air battle over Niš is a military clash of American and Soviet troops over Niš on November 7, 1944, one of several dozen documented episodes of World War II, classified as friendly fire. American troops mistakenly attacked a Soviet transport convoy, resulting in the deaths of 34 soldiers and officers (according to the report of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, General Alexei Antonov). During the retaliatory air attack, Soviet pilots led by Alexander Koldunov shot down from 2 to 7 enemy aircraft. The leadership of the United States and the USSR decided not to make the incident public, and the command of the US Army apologized to the Soviet troops for the oversight.
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 14 October 2020 10: 24 New
      0
      A pair of American fighters ATTACKED Kozhedub's plane. He barrel went under the tracks, went to them from below. One of the American pilots jumped out with a parachute and was captured by us. When asked who shot him down, he confidently replied that the German FV-190. He confused the FV-190 and La-5 because of the star-shaped engine and nose cone By the way, Kozhedub's plane had a photo-machine gun and the film was examined at the headquarters of the air division. After that, there were no complaints about it.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 10 October 2020 23: 27 New
    +1
    Andrei Andreevich Gromyko was one of those who took care of the state.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 October 2020 08: 34 New
    0
    In those years, only speedometers, a compass, a watch and the pilot's eyes in a fighter's navigation devices, even more advanced machines during the war years bombed neutral Switzerland regularly and with pleasure, the presence of imported Bf-109s from local air defenses did not help identify errors. So 99% of this incident is not worth a damn.