The Dry River Incident: 70 years of the American bombing of the Soviet airfield

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It so happened that many people quite sincerely believe that the confrontation between the United States and the USSR, albeit a very fierce one, took place exclusively within the framework of the Cold War, that is, without shots and bloodshed. If they clashed in open battle, then only on foreign soil. And the perfidious American attacks on our country, its bombing and shelling existed only in the fantasies of political propagandists. So, this is the deepest delusion.

Few people know and remember this, but the first strikes of the American aviation not only on our aircraft, but also on ground forces, they were applied at the final stage of the Great Patriotic War, when it was fought in Germany. One of the best Soviet aces, Ivan Kozhedub (and not the only one), had shot down US Air Force planes. However, this is somewhat different story, and today we will recall the tragic incident that happened 5 years after the victory, on October 8, 1950, and in places extremely remote from the defeated Third Reich - on the territory of the Soviet Far East.



The matter looked as follows: in connection with the sharply aggravated situation near the borders of the USSR (the beginning of the war in Korea), a decision was made to relocate military aviation units closer to our borders, which were supposed to provide them with more reliable cover. One of these units, transferred to the field airfield Sukhaya Rechka in the Khasansky district of Primorsky Krai, was the 821st Fighter Regiment of the 190th Fighter Aviation Division.

At that time, the unit consisted of three full-fledged squadrons, equipped with Bell P-63 Kingcobra fighters received during the Great Patriotic War as part of the Lend-Lease. “Ushatany” these old cars were, as they say, to the limit, but what was at hand, they pushed to the border. The pilots who settled in their new positions were well aware of the ongoing hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, but did not expect that what was happening there would affect them. The vast majority of our military continued to see the Americans as allies in the anti-Hitler coalition.

The greater was their amazement when, at about 16 pm on a clear and sunny day, two obviously alien jet aircraft emerged from behind the nearest hills and rushed to the airfield. With what specific intentions, it became clear after both US Air Force F-80 Shooting Star fighters (and it was they) opened heavy cannon-machine-gun fire on the runway and the cars parked on it. Looking ahead, I will say: up to a dozen (according to official data - seven) of our aircraft were damaged by a sudden blow, at least one of them burned to the ground. There were no casualties among the personnel. But this is again according to official data ...

None of the commanders who were at the scene of the incident thought to give the command to take off, knowing full well that the old piston "Cobras" against the jet "shooters" have no chances. Especially in the current situation. For this, they were subsequently accused of almost cowardice, but then the most unpleasant claims were removed - they sorted it out. However, organizational conclusions still followed: both the commander of the attacked air regiment and one of his deputies were demoted in positions.

At the international level, the scandal also turned out to be serious: Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko, then Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, spoke from the UN rostrum with an angry note about the treacherous attack. The then President of the United States, Harry Truman, had to take the rap for what had happened personally, in a record (for the Americans!) two-week period, he fully recognized not only the fact of the incident, but also the guilt of the American side in it. Washington assured Moscow that all those responsible for the incident suffered the most severe punishment and offered to "compensate for material damage." The times were Stalinist: the Americans in the USSR refused handouts and agreed with them that it was not worth making public what happened at the Dry River.

On this, in fact, the more or less harmonious official version ends, and then continuous questions and riddles begin. The main one: why, despite the complete denial that during the raid one of our soldiers was injured on the territory of the former airfield, there is a monument that is listed in the official register as “an unmarked mass grave of Soviet pilots who died repelling an attack by American bombers in 1950 "? According to local residents, the remains of either ten or twice as many people lie under the modest monument.

A serious gloomy secret... If the USSR at the highest level admitted the fact of a strike on the airfield, then why did it deny the victims? Finally, why is the grave "nameless" and fraternal? Tea, it was not in 1941 - the identity of all the dead could be established without difficulty. Yes, and worthy of burial. Or… Is it about some other incident? There were numerous clashes with the Americans that year in Primorye, and there were clearly casualties on both sides. Some people talk about dozens of American attacks. Alas, it is unlikely that we will know the answer.

An open question also remains whether the attack on the Dry River was a "tragic mistake", as the United States has been saying for many decades, or a planned act of aggression. The Americans, both then, in 1950, and subsequently, talked about "navigation errors" and "lost" pilots who had the task of attacking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." About a hundred kilometers of commercials ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such an impudent and cynical lie, which is familiar to the star-striped warriors.

Eyewitnesses of those events claim that no "low visibility" and other weather conditions that could be attributed to the "mistake" were observed at all. Moreover, both air pirates, US Air Force pilots Alton Kwonbeck and Allen Diefendorf, who were allegedly "tried by a military tribunal" (according to Truman) quietly served in combat aviation for 22 and 33 years, respectively. Kwonbaek, in addition, went on to have a very good career in the CIA. Leads to thoughts...

It is also not entirely clear how the enemy fighters "slipped through" the air defense system of Primorye, which was covered, in addition to the army, by the forces of the Pacific fleet (by the way, the air regiment that was attacked belonged to them). The Great Patriotic War weaned everyone from gouging and relaxation. Or not all? At least almost immediately after the incident, combat duty was introduced in the aviation units with the pilots constantly in the machines ready for take-off. Also in Primorye, the 303rd Air Division was immediately deployed, already armed with jet MiG-15s.

Only one thing can be said unequivocally: the Americans flew in, obviously planning a raid on the Dry River as an act of intimidation, literally on their own heads. It was useless to frighten Comrade Stalin, but after that he lost all doubts about the true intentions of the “allies”. And he gave the order to form the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps under the command of Ivan Kozhedub, whose aces shot down so many American aircraft in the Korean War that it was enough to pay for the Dry River in full.
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  1. +3
    9 October 2020 10: 35
    It was necessary not only to arrange an honorary funeral for the victims, but also to strip the maximum compensation from the Americans.
    1. +14
      9 October 2020 10: 43
      The memorial exists.
      The memory of the heroes is honored to this day.
      And the calculation was complete.
      "under the command of Ivan Kozhedub, whose aces shot down so many American planes in the Korean War that it was enough to pay for Sukhaya Rechka in full"
      1. +8
        9 October 2020 15: 06
        That, however, did not prevent on July 27, 53, to shoot down a transport silt 12 of the KTOF Air Force over China, especially if we take into account the testimony of Ralph Parr
        1. +6
          9 October 2020 16: 26

          A monument to this event was erected in the center of Vladivostok.
          1. 0
            13 December 2020 10: 41
            This monument stands in the park next to a transport stop
            (Dalzavod) It is dedicated to another tragic event of that over the territory of the People's Republic of China, the downed LI-2 transport plane.
            1. 0
              13 December 2020 10: 51
              I know where he stands and what event he is dedicated to. It is perfectly readable on the monument.
              Poke at the picture of the IL-12, but not the LI-2.

              .
        2. +2
          12 October 2020 03: 38
          The command staff of the KTOF was supposed to fly there. But he left on another flight. They shot down on a tip.
  2. MP
    0
    9 October 2020 10: 37
    American hotheads could not resist the temptation to "pinch the commies". We decided to make a pirate raid, believing that everything would get away with it. Apparently they did not seriously consider that the answer could be a nuclear bomb. Ours probably gave them an unequivocal understanding that this would happen again and not be good for them.
    1. -6
      9 October 2020 10: 43
      Were you silent?
      1. +1
        5 November 2020 20: 38
        Two days later, an American RB-50G (343rd Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron of the US Air Force), which took off from Yokota airbase in Japan, was shot down in the area of ​​Askold Island over the Sea of ​​Japan. Of the 17 crew members, only one survived - an American ship picked him up in the water.
        it has not been officially approved anywhere, but many consider it a response
    2. +8
      9 October 2020 13: 37
      Quote: Mpx
      American hotheads could not resist the temptation to "pinch the commies". We decided to make a pirate raid, believing that everything would get away with it. Apparently they did not seriously consider that the answer could be a nuclear bomb. Ours probably gave them an unequivocal understanding that this would happen again and not be good for them.

      in October 1950? Nuclear bomb? but it’s nothing that only in March 1950 the creation of this very bomb was only announced ... Neither a large stock of these same bombs, much less delivery vehicles (I’m generally silent about the territory of the United States itself) even to targets in Europe at the disposal of the Soviet authorities it wasn’t ... And I think the Americans were well aware of this ...
      Regarding the article, as if I did not go to VO, but turned on the REN-TV channel ...
      1. MP
        +1
        13 October 2020 11: 42
        The Americans had only two of them and they did not hesitate to use one at once. There were enough targets for our nuclear strike both in Western Europe and in Japan. And the same US troops in North Korea. The USSR had delivery vehicles. These are long-range bombers TU-4 - a copy of the American B-29.
        1. +1
          13 October 2020 15: 15
          Quote: Mpx
          The Americans had only two of them and they did not hesitate to use one at once. There were enough targets for our nuclear strike both in Western Europe and in Japan. And the same US troops in North Korea. The USSR had delivery vehicles. These are long-range bombers TU-4 - a copy of the American B-29.

          The first TU-4 squadron, as far as I remember, was formed only in the summer of 1951, the first experimental bombings in the fall of 1951 ... by that time the United States had over 700 charges (it got to the point that by 1955 the Americans had already written off some of the bombs as obsolete and replaced them with something fresher ) ... so once again - a strike with atomic weapons from the USSR against NATO targets was impossible ... well, or fatal for the union itself ..
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    3. 0
      11 October 2020 12: 34
      .Looks like they didn’t seriously consider that the answer could be a nuclear bomb.

      What a ridiculous fantasy.
    4. +1
      13 October 2020 14: 25
      We forget the words of S.O. Makarova - REMEMBER THE WAR. There was no anti-aircraft cover or it didn't work - not your own plane over the airfield - the enemy - shooting to kill! And where was the line on duty? Did you sleep or did the war end seaside? That is why our sorrows - we forget the truth!
  3. +5
    9 October 2020 10: 41
    Well, ours at the end of the war also did not always make "curtseys" towards the belated allies ...
    From the memoirs of my grandfather, Pyotr Ivanovich, an infantry major.
    Zhukov always advocated not to divide Germany with the allies, but to liberate completely.
    That's when we went to the next river in Germany and [i] noticed movement on the other side, we quickly determined that they were Americans. Reported to headquarters. There on the chain to the top. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but they say personally Zhukov gave the order to fire from all trunks! Well, our division and gave the heat! Soldiers and artillerymen, and tankers also fired!
    Then, they told the "allies" that the remnants of the Wehrmacht combat units were firing at them, which we later valiantly destroyed ...

    That's how it is...
    1. 0
      11 October 2020 10: 20
      . That's how it is...


      Beautiful fairy tale.
      1. -1
        11 October 2020 10: 31
        We were late with the refutation. My grandfather calmed down a quarter of a century ago. If only he passed the Finnish border, and then from the western border to Stalingrad and back to Germany, they would say ...
        1. +1
          11 October 2020 12: 31
          And why, in fact, take our word for it? I especially liked the pearl about Zhukov, who, it turns out, 'stood up for something'. They were deliberately shooting, like, at the Americans, who were chased away the game, what are these tricks of the unfinished Wehrmacht? Epic.
  4. 0
    9 October 2020 10: 42
    That is why it was necessary to anger the IVS, they fought with North Korea, no, it was also necessary to connect the USSR
    1. +1
      9 October 2020 22: 38
      It could well have made a raid by mistake. The planes are single-seat, there are no navigators, the navigation equipment on the fighters is primitive, they took off from airfields in Japan - it’s easy to get lost. We saw the airfield - attacked. In 1982, by mistake, instead of some Afghan city, a large landing force was landed in Iran in general, there was a big scandal, the Persian "Phantoms" burned two of our helicopters on the ground, barely destroyed it. Around the same time, our Tu-22 flew to Tehran, thinking that it was flying north.
      1. kig
        0
        18 December 2020 11: 28
        They took off from the Daegu airfield in South Korea, and the target was an airfield in the Chongjin area. We walked over the sea, could well have taken a little east and get to the Kraskino area. There were no railroad stations then.

    2. +1
      11 October 2020 10: 24
      ... That is why it was necessary to anger the IVS, they fought with North Korea, no, it was also necessary to connect the USSR

      A strange, to put it mildly, view of the Korean War.
  5. +5
    9 October 2020 10: 50
    It is unclear what the old planes were doing there, which had the North Kork identification marks, as the Americans claimed.
    There were many planes at the airfield - the dream of any military pilot. About 20 aircraft of the R-39 and R-63 types were lined up in two rows ... On the dark green fuselages were large red stars with a white rim. There was almost no time to make decisions, the fuel was also running out ... I entered on the left, fired several bursts, my partner Allen Diefendorf did as I did. "

    and, of course, the monument does not look very good

    1. +4
      9 October 2020 16: 35
      Yes, indeed ... By the way, the monument to the victims of July 27, 53, also stood restless for a long time. In the 90s, there was no money, and the topic was not popular either. Although students from the nearby 28th village. they tried to look after the square.
    2. 0
      8 December 2020 19: 35
      In the 80s, our 710th OKPLVP annually flew here from the end of May to the beginning of July for flights at a meteorological minimum. I remember this monument well, because it was regularly put in order after the winter - it was cleaned of rust and tinted, and the space around it was cleared. There was a red star on top and a stainless steel plate. But there was not a word on the tablet about the fact that someone was buried there. We assumed that this was a symbolic monument to all aviators - the defenders of the Motherland.
  6. +7
    9 October 2020 10: 53
    Anything happened ... Lying on .... land "spare parts" and from American aircraft.
    1. +1
      9 October 2020 13: 00
      I didn’t know any of this before. And I didn’t see any mentions. Thanks for the article.
      1. +7
        9 October 2020 13: 49
        HA. OUR generation has something to tell and show! Especially about where we "were not" and we "did nothing" there!
        We did not study geography from the globe!
        1. 0
          9 October 2020 14: 18
          Quote: rocket757
          HA. OUR generation has something to tell and show! Especially about where we "were not" and we "did nothing" there!
          We did not study geography from the globe!
          good Why wasn't it mentioned? Under the USSR, I was already interested in some ...
          1. +3
            9 October 2020 15: 58
            Many do not like to tell how it was ...
            nothing special by the way, just such ... "work".
            We must live with the present, and leave the past where it was.
            1. +5
              9 October 2020 16: 35
              Quote: rocket757
              They do not like, .., to tell, ....... One must live with the present, and leave the past where it was.
              You know, Victor, I disagree about the past. Because from ignorance, myths appear, which pants are kind, wish everyone well and want to be friends, open, always smiling .. ..
              1. +2
                9 October 2020 18: 32
                Dmitry, people are different everywhere ..... even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here! This is about the fact that from this side of the sight there may be the same person who does not understand, but what he is doing here! We all followed the ORDER!
                I understand only those who liberated their homeland from foreign invaders! In this case, there are no questions, as in the fight against terrorists! In all other cases, there are more questions than answers, believe me!
                1. +6
                  9 October 2020 18: 46
                  During perestroika, slander and lies against the USSR began. Like publicity. And what about opponents --- praises .........
                  All the same, the word staff is distorted ... request
                  1. +3
                    9 October 2020 19: 06
                    We can weed out lies thanks to the knowledge of how and what happened ... but it has become so much that we can only protect our ears and brains!
                    Those who are stubborn, do not know, like all the signs, it is hardly possible to change their minds, it remains to give honest knowledge to those who can still be influenced.
                    The bad news is that without the help of the state, society, we will lose this fight. Even if there will be no more of our opponents than us, the bulk of the indifferent do not know, this is not something that I would like to leave behind!
                    1. +1
                      9 October 2020 19: 26
                      Quote: rocket757
                      We can weed out lies thanks to the knowledge of how and what happened ... but there are so many of it, .... The bad thing is that without the help of the state, society, we will lose this battle. ...!
                      Fair.
                2. +6
                  9 October 2020 20: 31
                  even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here!

                  It’s from the couch, maybe it’s true, only in 2014 in the Donbass did the militias try to fight only with the Bandera people, and they tried not to touch the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, when they became convinced that at checkpoints "good" Armed Forces of Ukraine detained militias and handed them over for torture and execution to various "Aidars" and other "Dobrobats", the attitude towards all opponents became the same. Strelkov spoke about this back in 2014.
                  1. +5
                    9 October 2020 20: 52
                    I don’t write about Donbass at all, including because now my place is on the couch! Internal conflict is the most difficult category for perception and understanding.
                    One thing is clear to me, there was an anti-constitutional coup, criminal elements came to power. Some of the territories do not agree with this situation and decided to defend their opinion ... The criminals who seized power attacked them, a civil, military conflict began ... there is no end in sight.
                    1. +2
                      9 October 2020 20: 56
                      That's right, I wrote this to the fact that during the war there were no "good" people on the other side of the front. Perhaps there are exceptions, but, in my opinion, they only appear in films about the war.
                      1. 0
                        9 October 2020 21: 25
                        I did not write about the good / bad, about those who were sent to fight the devils where, where they themselves did not need anything from the definition at all!
                        The homeland said NECESSARY, but what the soldier himself needed there, many did not understand, sometimes to the end.
                        That's what I didn't understand on the couch, about that and ...
                      2. +1
                        9 October 2020 22: 18
                        about those who were sent to fight the devils where, where they themselves did not need anything from the definition at all!

                        The Ukrainian conscripts in Donbass didn’t need anything, but not everyone was able to go over to the militia. The first "Nona" with crews Shooters got exactly that. And the rest of the Armed Forces were later tied in blood and began to fight against the militias.
                      3. 0
                        10 October 2020 09: 59
                        I wrote from the very beginning that the moment of "bloody frenzy" will come! This is what happened, because it ALWAYS happens !!! I wrote this to those who repeated that we are all, they, people, we are all human.
                        This is not the case with everyone, but this, in fact, does not change anything.
                3. +1
                  11 October 2020 09: 59
                  even on the other side of the sight there may be a normal person who does not understand why he was sent here!

                  Politics exist to understand, but obedience is required from the soldier.
              2. 0
                11 October 2020 23: 12
                ... Because from ignorance, myths appear

                Myths appear one way or another. And counter-myths too. Of course, this has nothing to do with 'knowledge of the past'.
          2. +3
            9 October 2020 19: 02
            There were a lot of moronic things in Soviet propaganda from the times of Khrushchev and Brezhnev. There was nothing at all about the same Korean war except for the stories of participants in distant garrisons. About Vietnam with Egypt and Syria, the situation was completely repeated. There are really secret data on the effectiveness (or inefficiency) of weapons, on losses, but everything else had to be used.
            1. +1
              9 October 2020 19: 21
              Yes Sergey hi At the turn of the century, there was an American TV series about a Korean TV. I remember that many were surprised when they talked about the participation of Russians.
              1. +1
                9 October 2020 20: 04
                At the turn of the century, there was an American TV series about a Korean TV. I remember that many were surprised when they talked about the participation of Russians.

                There were no "victims of the exam" yet.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2020 20: 18
                  The series was called "MESH". It was their hospital
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2020 20: 24
                    I heard something about this series, but did not know that it was about the Korean War.
                    1. +3
                      9 October 2020 20: 55
                      There's a look at the war from a hospital, with two surgeons saving both American and civilian Koreans from Russian wounds. Including women and children and the old man, I remember ..... Surgeons are constantly making fun of different situations. I watched several episodes, and it was kind of very long ...
                      1. +2
                        9 October 2020 22: 25
                        two surgeons save both American and civilian Koreans from Russian wounds.

                        It is very interesting about the "Russian wounds" among civilian Koreans, especially when you consider that apart from the fighter division and radar crews and searchlight crews, our troops were not there. As everyone knows (except for the Americans, of course), the MiG-15s did not work there on the ground, and there were not enough of them in the sky. And in another American medical series about Dr. House, the hymn to their medicine is in full swing, which makes the most difficult operations for odorous homeless people for free.
                      2. +2
                        10 October 2020 22: 16
                        I hardly remember the details, like once or twice a day, at a certain time there were wounded ... probably, there are 1-2 episodes on the network. ...
                        Then there were foreign films on the cable day and night. And I didn’t look about House, somehow it’s useless, and the work in the evening ...
                      3. +2
                        10 October 2020 22: 22
                        Dmitry, I sent some material by e-mail, read it?
                  2. 0
                    9 October 2020 20: 55
                    Dmitry, "MESH" series about Vietnam.
                    1. +2
                      9 October 2020 21: 00
                      Victor, in the search engine and on Wikipedia it is written that South Korea
                      1. +1
                        9 October 2020 21: 26
                        Exactly, I remembered ... a film about a forgotten war !!!! and this is just about the Korean conflict.
                    2. 0
                      9 October 2020 21: 25
                      No, about the Korean War.
                      1. +1
                        9 October 2020 21: 43
                        Confused the names of the cities where the military went on vacation ... Saigon, Seoul, one in Vietnam, the other in Korea. Yes, but avno saw the series. I forgot.
                      2. +3
                        9 October 2020 21: 50
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Confused the names of the cities where the military went on vacation ... Saigon, Seoul, one in Vietnam, the other in Korea. Yes, but avno saw the series. I forgot.

                        Since cities and other bindings were not always mentioned, many even then thought that Vietnam. And then it suddenly turned out that they had brought, as they said, wounded Koreans, and not Vietnamese. And few people watched all the episodes and from the beginning
            2. +1
              12 October 2020 02: 42
              You are wrong, it was during the Brezhnev era that I, while still a schoolboy, learned about the battles of our pilots in Korea, though without details. I remember the phrase: "dozens of American planes were shot down in battles." So some scant information leaked into the press.
      2. -1
        11 October 2020 12: 36
        ... I didn’t know any of this before and didn’t come across any mentions.

        That means they weren't particularly interested. The incident is well known.
  7. +28
    9 October 2020 10: 55
    The Yankees were forced to pay for their impudence. On April 8, 1950, for example, a US Air Force PB11Y-4 bomber was shot down by a La-2 aircraft of the USSR Air Force in the skies of Latvia. A crew of 10 Yankees went to the bottom to feed the Baltic sprat. In May 1950, a La-11 aircraft of the USSR Air Force shot down a P-51 Mustang of the US Air Force in the sky over Chukotka. In December 1950, a US Navy torpedo bomber P2V Neptune, shot down by a MiG-15 of the USSR Air Force, went to the bottom of Peter the Great Bay. On November 6, 1951, another torpedo bomber Neptune of the US Navy was sent to the bottom of Peter the Great Bay MiG-15 of the USSR Air Force, the crew of 10 Yankees went to feed the crabs. The whole list is endless.
    1. +4
      9 October 2020 13: 51
      If we add regions where we "weren't", the list will be even longer!
      Unfortunately, it was mutual !!!
      1. +1
        11 October 2020 10: 08
        They began the so-called policy of pressure on the USSR.
    2. +2
      9 October 2020 19: 03
      They officially said about these planes "Gone towards the sea"
  8. -1
    9 October 2020 10: 57
    There were several incidents, there was a battle between La-9 and Mustangs, but without losses on both sides.
  9. +15
    9 October 2020 11: 19
    With what specific intentions, it became clear after both US Air Force F-80 Shooting Star fighters (and it was they) opened hurricane cannon and machine gun fire along the runway and the vehicles parked on it.

    There were big problems with cannon fire - all versions of the F-80 had only 6 12.7 mm machine guns from small arms. Maybe they made a bomb attack? NAR was also installed on the F-80C.

    The Americans, both then, in 1950, and subsequently, talked about "navigation errors" and "lost" pilots who had the task of attacking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." About a hundred kilometers of commercials ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such an impudent and cynical lie, which is familiar to the star-striped warriors.

    The cruising speed of the F-80C is 600 km / h. At such a speed, on unfamiliar terrain, where there are few landmarks, make a mistake by 100 km. can be easily and naturally.
    Errors in aircraft identification at that time regularly occurred even in air battles, when firing was conducted from a distance of 50-100 meters. For example, Pokryshkin shot down his Su-2 at the beginning of the war.
    When attacking, fire is opened from 500-700 meters, the probability of making a mistake is much greater.

    It is also not entirely clear how the enemy fighters "slipped through" the air defense systems of Primorye, which was covered, in addition to the army, by the forces of the Pacific Fleet (by the way, the attacked air regiment belonged to them).
    This is just understandable - at that time the "Primorye air defense systems" consisted of several VNOS posts. They could only find a pair of F-80s at low altitude by accident.

    In general, before writing articles, it would be nice to at least look at the performance characteristics of the aircraft in question. The VO wrote about the Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star back in 2013. I wonder for whom?

    https://topwar.ru/36620-lockheed-f-80-shooting-star-pervyy-amerikanskiy-seriynyy-reaktivnyy-istrebitel.html
    1. +5
      9 October 2020 20: 44
      Dear forum user ... Look who is the author of this article .... who is who, and he does not really like to use any sources, to put it mildly, to bother with searches, analysis .... why ...
      1. 0
        11 October 2020 12: 42
        That's right, comrade. Give, as they say, Comrade X-nom a good topic - he will ruin it utterly with his incompetence, laziness and cheap hurray-patriotism. In general, it is not entirely clear why VO is messing about his writings
  10. +3
    9 October 2020 11: 23
    It is also an open question whether the attack on Sukhaya Rechka was a "tragic mistake," as the United States claimed for many decades, or a planned act of aggression.
    ....Provocation..
    1. +1
      11 October 2020 12: 43
      . Provocation

      Yes? And what is the purpose?
  11. +3
    9 October 2020 11: 32
    The mattresses were made meaningfully, but there was also a response, only later.
  12. 0
    9 October 2020 12: 15
    I didn't know about it. Thanks .
    He served there nearby, in Smolyanka.
  13. +10
    9 October 2020 13: 13
    An open question also remains whether the attack on the Dry River was a "tragic mistake", as the United States has been saying for many decades, or a planned act of aggression. The Americans, both then, in 1950, and subsequently, talked about "navigation errors" and "lost" pilots who had the task of attacking the North Korean military airfield Chongjin, but "got lost." About a hundred kilometers of commercials ... And at the same time they confused Soviet planes with Korean ones. All this utterly resembles such an impudent and cynical lie, which is familiar to the star-striped warriors.

    Oh-ho-ho ... yes, in those days even multi-engine bombers with radio navigation, a dedicated navigator, radar stations and other pribluda were "fornicating". What can we say about single-seat fighters.
    Why go far: our elite of bombers - ADD-Schnicks - managed in 1944 instead of Turku to unload in Aland and Stockholm, at the Yankees of their "fortress" they bombed Zurich, the Fritzes worked out the backlashes in Dublin.
    1. +1
      9 October 2020 23: 09
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Oh-ho-ho ... yes, in those days even multi-engine bombers with radio navigation, a dedicated navigator, radar stations and other pribluda were "fornicating". What can we say about single-seat fighters.
      Why go far: our elite of bombers - ADD-Schnicks - managed in 1944 instead of Turku to unload in Aland and Stockholm, at the Yankees of their "fortress" they bombed Zurich, the Fritzes worked out the backlashes in Dublin.

      I will not stir up the past! But the errors of the crews listed by you are isolated! Although the raids were carried out in large quantities! And there are mistakes, always and everywhere!
  14. +3
    9 October 2020 14: 24
    There were indeed dozens of such attacks, as the author suggests, and they were massive! It was this fact that accelerated the transfer of jet fighters to the Far East, which had not been given due attention before! Such attacks also took place very close to Vladivostok, near the base of the USSR fleet! When I wrote about this, our "hat-throwers" and "checkers" massively poured mud over me!
  15. +3
    9 October 2020 15: 22
    The Americans didn't do that. A year, it seems in 1978, their A-12 flew over Vladik and Ussurbator. There was no protest ... They also did not boast. There were rumors in the region about the flight of a bomber with four nuclear bombs. Whoever can find in "Gorkovka" a newspaper file, "News", will publish a sensation. The article, it seems, was called - How "Blackbird" gave "Blackbird" to our air defense. And I learned about it the next day from a gunsmith from Unashi.
  16. +6
    9 October 2020 18: 08
    On the evening of July 1, 1960, the state border of the Soviet Union was violated by an RB-47 reconnaissance aircraft under the control of an American crew. The plane was supposed to fly over the strategic military facilities of the USSR; special equipment was installed on board to track the signals of domestic radar stations.
    The reconnaissance aircraft headed for the mouth of the White Sea in the area of ​​Cape Holy Nose.
    The crew consisted of six people, including the commander, co-pilot, navigator and three flight engineers serving the radar.
    The plane was detected by our radar while still on the way and a MIG-19 piloted by Captain Vasily Polyakov was lifted into the air. The Americans noticed the fighter, but did not change course and continued to go deeper into our territory. The American did not respond to the requests and commands of our fighter "Move after me" (according to the international code) and did not change course. Polyakov reported this to the command and received a completely reasonable order to shoot down the intruder, which he did, firing several bursts from a 30-mm aircraft cannon. The Boeing engine caught fire under the left wing, he began to lose control and went into a stall. Commander William Palm gave the command to the crew to leave the car, but only both pilots and the navigator could (for an unknown reason) do this, and the flight mechanics never left the plane.
    The co-pilot and navigator splashed down, used liferafts, and a few hours later they were picked up by the Tobolsk fishing trawler, the body of Commander Palm was found the next day, he died of hypothermia, all flight mechanics drowned along with the plane.
    Captain Polyakov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner and the Brezhnev Prize on July 12, 1960.
    1. 0
      9 October 2020 22: 43
      There is a documentary about this event! The Americans claimed that their plane flew strictly over neutral waters and the Russians had no right to shoot down the plane!
      1. +1
        9 October 2020 23: 05
        Hi Aleksey. hi
        A similar story was when a South Korean passenger Boeing was shot down relatively recently. Well, at least there they rested on the fact that he "got lost."
        1. +1
          9 October 2020 23: 08
          Above about. Sakhalin in 1983? A very murky story!
    2. -5
      9 October 2020 22: 54
      "The plane was supposed to fly over the strategic military facilities of the USSR" - how do you know? Sending an RB-47 in 1960 into Soviet airspace during the day is just killing pilots. There, several people from the crew did not even have ejection seats. The plane was supposed to fly along the borders of the USSR, the American pilots were sure to the last that they did not violate the USSR border over the sea, and whether they violated it is unknown, Polyakov opened fire without an order, for which he almost landed on trial, thanks to the "scoundrel" Khrushchev fully justified.
      "commands of our fighter "Move after me" (according to the international code)" - can you give more details? What is an international code? Did the Americans know about it? If the Yankees believed that they were in international waters, they did not pay attention to the evolution of the MiG (if there were any). It’s just that in the case of the KAL-007 board, ours also wrote that they had given signals, and they tried to communicate by radio, and they opened warning fire, but it turned out that everything was a lie.
      1. +3
        9 October 2020 23: 03
        A simple question: two members of the Boeing's crew were picked up by the Soviet trawler Tobolsk, do you think that this "unfortunate fishing trough" was hunting fish outside the territorial waters of the USSR of its own free will? Are you serious? Just don't tell the tales that "the parachutes were blown away by the wind." laughing
        1. -1
          9 October 2020 23: 13
          I have no idea where "Tobolsk" traded. Do you think that fishing trawlers go only in tervods? Let me tell you right now, you are wrong. But that's not the point. M.b. the Yankees and violated the boundaries of territorial waters, now try to figure it out. I'm talking about the fact that the Yankees were sure that they worked in international waters. They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide. And the fact that Polyakov opened fire over the sea, having no connection with the land. And he was put under arrest immediately after the flight. For flights over the territory of the USSR, the United States in 1960 had the RB-57 and U-2, which the MiG-19m was too tough for, and the RB-47 was already outdated and was not suitable for breaking through the borders at high altitude during the day.
          1. +3
            9 October 2020 23: 23
            They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide.

            Do the British look like fools?
            Or are they just sometimes confident of their impunity?
            The Corfu Canal Incident was one of the first episodes of the Cold War to be considered a military one. An attempt by the British fleet to demonstrate strength off the coast of Albania in the fall of 1946 resulted in heavy damage to two destroyers and the death of 44 sailors.

            warspot.ru
            Tragedy in the Corfu Channel
            Vladislav Goncharov
            05 Aug '20
            In the same 2009, an international expedition organized by the Institute of Marine Archeology discovered and examined the severed nose of the Volaj destroyer at the bottom of Saranda Bay. Interestingly, in the report on this expedition, published in the Institute's yearbook ("The INA Annual 2009"), the coordinates of the find were not indicated.
            1. -3
              9 October 2020 23: 30
              1946 - English destroyers off Corfu and 1960 in the air near our north - are clearly not the same thing. The British were at war in Greece in 1946 and Albania then directly supported the Greek rebels. It is unlikely that the Englishmen expected to get a rebuff from the Albanian savages. American pilots knew that the Stratojet was outdated for such flights. Do you seriously believe that American operators agreed to fly on a suicide mission without even having ejection seats?
              1. +3
                9 October 2020 23: 35
                The American pilots knew the Stratojet was shamelessly outdated for such flights. Do you seriously believe that American operators agreed to fly on a suicide mission without even having ejection seats?

                And why did their bosses need them to tell the WHOLE truth?
                Ordered. We flew.
                Only now the discrepancy came out. They were told one thing (about the border), but in reality it turned out quite sadly!
                Perhaps Powers were told that it was not possible for the Russians to shoot down his U-2!
                1. -2
                  10 October 2020 00: 00
                  “We ordered it. We flew” - perhaps, but why? Why send RB-47. if you have RB-57 and U-2 ..
                  "They were told one thing (about the border), but in reality .." - but in reality the RB-47 had a powerful radar and navigation equipment, and they could determine their position relative to the border themselves.
                  "Perhaps Powers was also told that it was impossible for the Russians to shoot down his U-2!" - they said. And they didn’t just say, but almost everyone firmly believed that it was impossible to bring down the U-2. But there is such a nuance - the U-2 was not a military aircraft, but Powers - from 1956 was not a military pilot, but was a regular CIA pilot, i.e. knew what he was getting into. In the event of damage to the aircraft, he was supposed to die, and the aircraft bore NASA identification marks. ends in the water. Angry Russians and an unfortunate American civilian pilot. And the RB-47 was a USAF aircraft with USAF markings and the pilots were uniformed military pilots. Well, look at the date - Polyakov shot down an RB-47 exactly one month after Powers' U-2. There was a big scandal, President Eisenhower pleaded guilty and banned flights over the USSR, there was still hope of signing an important treaty with the USSR, and stupid American generals sent their pilots for obvious slaughter, disobeying their Supreme Commander!
                  1. +3
                    10 October 2020 00: 05
                    President Eisenhower admitted his guilt and banned flights over the USSR, there was still a hope of signing an important treaty with the USSR, and the stupid American generals sent their pilots to the apparent slaughter, disobeying their Supreme Commander !.

                    Perhaps it was "here that the dog rummaged."
                    In 200 years we will find out. Who and why poisoned these scouts under the MiG-19 cannon!
          2. 0
            11 October 2020 10: 16
            They are not such fools as to commit an act of collective suicide.

            According to your military pilot just fly for a walk? The fact that the soldier obeys the order, you do not know?
        2. +3
          9 October 2020 23: 24
          Tragedy in the Corfu Channel
          Vladislav Goncharov
          05 Aug '20
          An example of British "impudence" in relation to Albania.
      2. +2
        9 October 2020 23: 06
        If the Yankees believed they were in international waters, they did not pay attention to the evolution of the MiG (if any).

        They came up with this "excuse about the border" for the possibility of such flights! But their plane was shot down and the Yankees simply "washed and dried themselves."
        1. -3
          9 October 2020 23: 35
          "They came up with this" excuse about the border "for the possibility of such flights!" They didn't have to come up with an excuse. Their Canberras and U-2s safely flew above the ceiling of the MiG-19, they had no need to risk the RB-47.
          1. +4
            9 October 2020 23: 45
            Their Canberras and U-2s safely flew above the ceiling of the MiG-19, they had no need to risk the RB-47.

            Then why weren't they just written off? Replacing the machines you mentioned?
            And U-2 had already been shot down by that time! Then they began to shoot down in the sky of the PRC!
            Only Americans can get an answer to this incident. But they clearly won't answer in the next 100 years!
            1. +5
              9 October 2020 23: 53
              Until now, the Americans have not bothered to report that the plane was shot down on December 26, 1950 over Cape Seysyura by a pair of fighters from the 523rd Fighter Aviation Regiment (Bakhaev - Kotov)!
              The plane was simply identified as B-29. But the Americans don't really say what kind of car was shot down!
            2. +4
              10 October 2020 00: 46
              U-2 and over Cuba were shot down, most likely our air defense, so this aircraft by that time was no longer a panacea.
              And in our Park of Culture. Gorky, in one of the pavilions, an entire exhibition was organized with the wreckage of Powers' plane and with crumpled photographic equipment. There was also the pilot's parachute, bright scarlet, his USAF pilot's license (by the way), overalls, a Hi-Standart 22LR pistol with an integrated silencer, and the notorious cyanide needle in a glass vial. The guides at this exhibition were smart "boys" in formal suits and ties. And the queue there was longer than in the Mausoleum. I honestly stood up and saw everything with my own eyes.
              1. +2
                10 October 2020 17: 07
                "U-2 was shot down over Cuba, most likely our air defense, so this aircraft by that time was no longer a panacea" - the same with C-75 (SA-75) missiles. It's the same in China. We ourselves had few S-75s, but they were allocated for both Cuba and China. There were no other means to shoot down U-2 at that time.
                "his USAF pilot's license (by the way)" is an ID of a US Department of Defense employee, the branch is indicated as the Air Force (not a USAF pilot's license). Since Powers was about to explode, there would be no documents left. In fact, Powers had nothing to do with the Department of Defense at that time - he was an employee of the CIA.
                1. +2
                  10 October 2020 17: 28
                  Isn't the USAF ID the American Air Force Pilot ID? Are they not the same? Although, I do not argue, the devil will understand them, these Americans.
                  I am aware that when the catapult lever was pressed, the plane should have been destroyed along with the pilot with a special explosive device, but Powers turned out to be smarter and simply, throwing back the cap, jumped out with a parachute. By the way, later, according to the story of one of our journalists, Powers was a pilot of a police helicopter.
                  Photos from the exhibition.
            3. 0
              10 October 2020 16: 48
              "Then why didn't they just write them off? Replacing them with the machines you mentioned?" - why are they using the EU-135 now? The ERB-47H's tactics were exactly the same - to fly along the border, periodically striking it, but not so much that it would run into a shootdown, and collect data on the radar.
              "And U-2 had already been shot down by that time!" - complex C-75, exactly one month before this incident, and U-2 flew half the country. Then President Eisenhower banned reconnaissance flights over the USSR. It is clear that there was simply nothing to shoot down the U-2 over the sea near the remote coast.
          2. +3
            9 October 2020 23: 48
            On April 8, 1950, in the area of ​​the Libava naval base, a PB4Y "Privateer" reconnaissance aircraft of the US Navy violated Soviet airspace from the Wiesbaden airbase (FRG).
            An alarmed four La-11 fighters from the 30th Fighter Aviation Regiment under the command of Senior Lieutenant B. Dokin intercepted this aircraft and, after the intruder did not comply with the requirements to follow the landing, opened fire. The Americans responded in kind. During the firefight, the intruder was shot down and fell into the sea. The crew of 10 people died.

            As you can see, the Americans were no stranger to throwing their people at Soviet aircraft guns!
            1. 0
              10 October 2020 16: 53
              It is quite possible to imagine that the "Privatir" accidentally flew into our airspace. Didn't obey? Would our pilots have obeyed in such a situation? If the Yankees would like provocations, they would escort the scout with escort fighters, and hell, we would shoot him down. In addition - the 1950s - the Cold War was in full swing, and in the 1960s Eisenhower and Khrushchev actively sought to reduce the heat of the Cold War.
              1. +2
                10 October 2020 23: 25
                It is quite possible to imagine that the Privatir accidentally flew into our airspace. Didn't obey?

                By chance, only a brick falls on the head.
                Yes, American generals are getting into Soviet airspace!
                On October 21, 1970, a US Air Force communications aircraft of the Beechcraft U-8 type crossed the border into Armenia and entered Soviet territory. The Soviet fighters that flew to intercept forced the intruder to land at the airfield in Leninakan. The American crew consisted of two generals of the US Army - Scherer and McQuery, the pilot of the plane, Major Russell of the US Air Force, and the Colonel of the Turkish Army Dopeli. All of them were detained and after a short investigation in November of the same year, were extradited to the US authorities.
                1. 0
                  11 October 2020 06: 37
                  What did you want to say? That two American generals flew in a cornfield to reconnoitre Soviet strategic targets?
                  1. +2
                    11 October 2020 22: 40
                    I wanted to say that only American generals could accidentally fly into the airspace of the USSR!
                    In other cases, the generals did not fly. But orders for reconnaissance flights were given! And they sent their people under the guns and missiles of Soviet interceptors and air defense systems!
      3. +1
        12 October 2020 10: 04
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Sending an RВ-47 in 1960 into Soviet airspace during the day is simply killing pilots. There, several of the crew did not even have ejection seats. The plane was supposed to fly along the borders of the USSR, American pilots were sure to the last that they did not violate the USSR border over the sea, and whether they violated it is unknown

        EMNIP, the RB-47 incident is similar to the incident with the Yorktown missile defense missile system on the Black Sea: the main reason was the different interpretation of the points and the method of counting the borders of the US and USSR. As a result, they believed that they were in neutral airspace, and ours believed that the Yankees had already violated the border.
  17. -3
    10 October 2020 09: 31
    A wonderful start to an article about how Kozhedub deliberately shot down two Allied aircraft during WW2. And the wonderful tone of the description - the ace taught the Americans. And then further the reverse story about the Americans with us and already comments about the treacherous attack, etc. As usual - their bad spies and our good scouts
    1. 0
      10 October 2020 23: 21
      A wonderful start to an article about how Kozhedub deliberately shot down two Allied aircraft during WW2.

      Try to look for information about incidents with American bombing of Soviet troops and you will understand why not only Kozhedub shot down American planes during the Great Patriotic War!
      For example -
      Air battle over Niš is a military clash of American and Soviet troops over Niš on November 7, 1944, one of several dozen documented episodes of World War II, classified as friendly fire. American troops mistakenly attacked a Soviet transport convoy, resulting in the deaths of 34 soldiers and officers (according to the report of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, General Alexei Antonov). During the retaliatory air attack, Soviet pilots led by Alexander Koldunov shot down from 2 to 7 enemy aircraft. The leadership of the United States and the USSR decided not to make the incident public, and the command of the US Army apologized to the Soviet troops for the oversight.
    2. 0
      14 October 2020 10: 24
      A pair of American fighters ATTACKED Kozhedub's plane. He barrel went under the tracks, went to them from below. One of the American pilots jumped out with a parachute and was captured by us. When asked who shot him down, he confidently answered that the German FV-190. He confused the FV-190 and La-5 because of the star-shaped engine and nose fairing. By the way, there was a machine gun on Kozhedub’s plane and the film was viewed at the headquarters of the air division. After that, there were no complaints against him.
  18. +1
    10 October 2020 23: 27
    Andrei Andreevich Gromyko was one of those who took care of the state.
  19. 0
    19 October 2020 08: 34
    In those years, only speedometers, a compass, a watch and the pilot's eyes in a fighter's navigation devices, even more advanced machines during the war years bombed neutral Switzerland regularly and with pleasure, the presence of imported Bf-109s from local air defenses did not help identify errors. So 99% of this incident is not worth a damn.
  20. 0
    18 November 2020 08: 03
    My grandfather, a career officer of the Pacific Fleet Air Force at that time, served at the Sukhaya Rechka airfield. Even photos of the house have been preserved from this airfield at that time. Unfortunately, my grandfather died in 92, so I can't ask.
  21. kig
    0
    18 December 2020 11: 53
    It is also not entirely clear how the enemy fighters "slipped through" the air defense systems of Primorye. - on the contrary, everything is clear. In August 1945, a Japanese kamikaze appeared over Vladivostok. If not for Lieutenant Commander Burmistrov and his military team on the Taganrog tanker, the oil depot on the First River would have burned down to the pigs. But then there were hostilities with Japan, and no one scratched himself. And in 1950 and even more so ... the war is somewhere far away.