"For us today it is like Stalingrad": residents of Nagorno-Karabakh about the significance of Stepanakert

Alarming reports about ongoing fighting and shelling continue to come from Nagorno-Karabakh. At the same time, it is noted that the intensity of the open fire on the administrative center of the unrecognized NKR is only growing every day.

On Stepanakert, fire is being conducted from various weapons, including heavy ones. These are multiple launch rocket launchers, means of an unmanned strike aviation, barrel artillery.

The journalists at the scene say that for more than 30 hours the shelling of Stepanakert has been carried out almost continuously. At the same time, rockets are exploded already in the immediate vicinity of the city center.

Earlier it was reported that the armed forces of Azerbaijan used Israeli-made operational-tactical missile systems to shell Stepanakert and other settlements of the unrecognized republic.

Forced to hide in basements, local residents in conversations with journalists say that for Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Stepanakert today is "like Stalingrad for the USSR during the Great Patriotic War."

From a conversation between journalists and local residents:

The city can turn into ruins from enemy shelling. And the main thing is that if he falls, then the whole of Armenia will be under threat. For us today it is like Stalingrad.

In turn, in Azerbaijan they talk about a liberation war - a war for the "de-occupation of Azerbaijani territories". If you believe the statements of official Baku, then in a week of fighting, the troops of the republic occupied seven settlements and raised the Azerbaijani flag over them.

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[Livonetc]

Azerbaijan is ready to raze Stepanokert to the ground.
Partly to ease the upcoming battles in urban stagnation.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Livonetc

Azerbaijan is ready to raze Stepanokert to the ground.

Shelling of Stepanokert 04.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Temples]

Both sides of the conflict decided to live independently in 91.
So they live as they can.

Why is it necessary to take sides in this conflict?
Everyone has their own truth.

War is always bad.

[K-612-O]

A * rtsakh not much earlier, using the law on national autonomies, he held a referendum on independence and declared it before 91, but since the Armenians were not Balts, everyone did not care. Yes, and more the Yerevan authorities wanted to shove them into their composition

[Witness]

I don’t know if you have heard of Damansky Island due to your age, but today it belongs to China. Once, in the days of the USSR, this island was captured by force of arms from the Land of the Soviets, despite the huge losses from the PRC. Today China says that these are the original lands of China, although in fact it is Russian territory. The only question is that this piece of land is by no means strategic for Russia. For Azerbaijan "NKR" is a strategic site! Despite the fake assurances of the Armenian side, this land has always belonged to the present Azerbaijan, no matter how it was called before! If your legal square footage of living space is taken away from you, you start certain processes. The same is happening in Azerbaijan, in the 90s, Armenia seized the "NKR", secretly occupying 7 regions of Azerbaijan that were not in any way part of the "NKR". To date, neither Armenia itself, nor anyone else in the world, has recognized the independence of the above "republic". The Russian Federation recognizes this territory as Azerbaijan. This is the Azerbaijani "Damansky"! They want it back! They have all the rights and powers to do this! And Pashinyan can turn to Soros for timely help, let's see what happens ...

[Unemployed]

Quote: Svidetel

I don’t know if you have heard of Damansky Island due to your age, but today it belongs to China. Once, in the days of the USSR, this island was captured by force of arms from the Land of the Soviets, despite the huge losses

I don’t know if you have heard about Damansky Island due to your age, but I took part there. Damansky was handed over to China in the early 2000s by "Mr. Solntselikim". The general of the border troops resigned out of protest. The resignation was accepted.

[Witness]

Is this a reason to consider it Chinese ??????? Until then ??????

[Unemployed]

The news about Kursk just offended. we know that. And the site is not yet. Let the guys ...

[CSKA]

Quote: Unemployed

Damansky was handed over to China in the early 2000s by "Mr. Solntselikim".

What are you? Exactly? After the fighting, Russian border guards controlled the approaches to the island with snipers and machine guns. But on September 10, 1969, they received an order not to open fire. The Chinese immediately crossed over to the island and were there already before official the transfer of the Daman PRC in May 1991
And you can continue to engage in lies.

[Unemployed]

You can retell Ukrainian textbooks as much as you want, but I, as a real participant in the Combat in Damansky, answer - you are lying. Damansky USSR defended. It was sold by another person. Want facts? You will be sad, LIAR!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Unemployed

Damansky USSR defended.

Absolutely true, the transfer of the island happened much later ...

[CSKA]

Quote: NEXUS

Absolutely true, the transfer of the island happened much later ...

Do not assent, but the facts are in the studio.

[CSKA]

Quote: Unemployed

You can retell Ukrainian textbooks as much as you want, but I, as a real participant in the Combat in Damansky, answer - you are lying. Damansky USSR defended. It was sold by another person. Want facts? You will be sad, LIAR!

I wrote to you somewhere that I did not defend? He defended it in 1969. And gave it back in 1991. What Ukrainian textbooks are there for the devil? Where are your facts a liar? Let's go to the studio. The fact that you really participated in 1969 (if you really participated, and not engaged in chatter) does not mean that in 1991 it was not given away. And why are you, as you put it, "Mr. Solntseliky" not saying thank you for the Crimea? And where were you mega warriors in 1991 when you destroyed the country you swore an oath of? Would you like to tell us here?

[Unemployed]

1. Gave it away not in 1991, but in 2004. Lies.
2. Your studio is in the 95th block.
3. About Crimea, I will not talk in this thread, because the topic of the war, which does not concern us (me).
4. Megavoin at that very time was in a hospital in Rostov with a bullet wound in his left leg and a splinter between the fourth and fifth vertebrae.
Anything else to tell?

[CSKA]

Quote: Unemployed

1. Gave it away not in 1991, but in 2004. Lies.

Because you wrote that? You can provide at least one fact other than your chatter? Open any resource in Yandex or Google and read the date.

Quote: Unemployed

2. Your studio is in the 95th block.

Are you feverish or what? What is the 95th quarter to the devil?

Quote: Unemployed

3. About Crimea, I will not talk in this thread, because the topic of the war, which does not concern us (me).

You have exactly what is somehow mixed in your head. What is the war in Crimea? Wake up.

Quote: Unemployed

4. Megavoin at that very time was in a hospital in Rostov with a bullet wound in his left leg and a splinter between the fourth and fifth vertebrae.
Anything else to tell?

What time is it? 1969?
And tell me too. In general, can you form an idea somehow? You write like a collection of words.
Again. If you want to prove something, then provide the facts, and not your empty idle talk, which we all have to believe here.

[Unemployed]

Indeed, in 2004, by the decision of the Kremlin, China was transferred to territories near Khabarovsk, with a total area of ​​more than 300 square kilometers. These territories are islands on the Amur.
These islands were "unknown whose" hundreds of years. Some kind of beginning of legal relations can be considered approximately from the Treaty of Nerchinsk, this is the 1689th year.

On May 16, 1991, Gorbachev signed a document stating that the border with China should pass along the Amur fairway. For the first time, the Chinese have an official and legal opportunity to challenge the ownership of the islands of Bolshoy Ussuriisky and Tarabarov to Russia.

Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, receives this treaty by inheritance.

Putin has just completed all these processes, completely closing territorial claims and demarcating the border. And after completing the process of transferring what Gorbachev signed. Something that could no longer be given away by virtue of the terms of the signed and valid agreement.
https://yandex.ru/q/question/travel/kakie_ostrova_rossiia_otdala_kitaiu_ec849612/?utm_source=yandex&utm_medium=wizard&answer_id=7c0e98c0-22ac-4e68-87ec-041d0f15e9c2#7c0e98c0-22ac-4e68-87ec-041d0f15e9c2

[CSKA]

Quote: Unemployed

Putin has just completed all these processes, completely closing territorial claims and demarcating the border. And after completing the process of transferring what Gorbachev signed. Something that could no longer be given away by virtue of the terms of the signed and valid agreement.

Japanese god. Aliluyah. Now think with your head what you wrote. Read it several times if it is underperformed at once.
Something that could no longer be given away by virtue of the terms of the signed and valid agreement.
So who gave these territories? Putin? Or are you still communists who signed the treaty in 1991?

[Unemployed]

Have your loved ones Americans ever worried about contracts signed by THEM? Put the pan on your head and crawl towards the sunset on all fours. Maybe they will allow you to lick something, at worst they will throw you a cookie. The conversation is over.

[CSKA]

Quote: Unemployed

Have your loved ones Americans ever worried about contracts signed by THEM?

And where did you get the idea that Americans are my beloved? And where did you get the idea that they do not adhere to contracts? And where did you get the idea that because of some uninhabited islets we had to quarrel with the PRC again and violate the agreement you already signed by the communists?

Quote: Unemployed

Put the pan on your head and crawl towards the sunset on all fours

This is the lot of the poor like you. You communists destroyed a great country, created the pseudo countries of the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR, and now they also whine about Damansky Island and accuse Putin of being given it away.
And your conversation is over, because you yourself realized that you are talking nonsense. It is especially smiling that you are bringing in Ukrainian schools, block 95, pots on your head and cookies. You are not unemployed, you are stupid. I'm not dill. I fought against them. Now you are unlikely to participate somewhere, well, except in your fantasies, where you destroyed the Martians.

[mark2]

And what, because of this it is necessary to fight? The Armenians and the Azerbaijanis had 30 years to agree on how to jointly manage this land. In fact, is there an unrecognized NKR? Right?
For 30 years, some kind of joint business has been going on in this territory. And then something broke. Someone did not please someone with something. That's what broke, I would understand.

[Witness]

There were no joint affairs. There was a systematic "armenization" of the occupied territories of Azerbaijan. Including on the territory of the Russian Federation. Go to Krasnodar / Stavropol Territories, ask the locals, soon there will be their own "Karabakh", and soon there the Armenians will declare that these lands for centuries belonged to the "oldest" of the peoples. Note that wherever Armenians live, first of all they build their churches and schools. This is a definite policy. After some time, they declare their rights to the territory, pointing to the "oldest" buildings.

[CSKA]

Quote: Svidetel

Krasnodar / Stavropol Territory, ask the locals, soon there will be their own "Karabakh", soon there the Armenians will declare that these lands for centuries belonged to the "oldest" of the peoples.

Oh well, don't go overboard. We have no Armenians in Krasnodar Territory and 2% of the population. And in Stavropol there are more people from the North Caucasus than from Armenia.

Quote: Svidetel

Note that wherever Armenians live, first of all they build their churches and schools.

There is one Armenian church for the millionth Krasnodar, not one school. Don't tell stories.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Svidetel

Despite the fake assurances of the Armenian side, this land has always belonged to the present Azerbaijan

The word is always like this, somewhat vague. Always from what point? From the Big Bang? Since the time the tyrannosaurs settled there? From the biblical flood? Could you specify a specific date. When did it start it is yours - always?
As far as I know, until the 1750s there was no smell of Azerbaijanis there. Then NK was conquered. And what's funny is not Azerbaijanis. Afshars. No, here of course we can say that Azerbaijanis and Afshars are one thing. But the trouble is. Afshars live in Iran, and they do not consider themselves Azerbaijanis at all. As well as those that live in Afghanistan. They are also in no hurry to enroll in Azerbaijanis. In 1813, Karbach was annexed by the Russian Empire. And somehow I am not ready to agree with the version that RI and Azerbaijan are one and the same. In 1922, yes, Azerbaijan received the same nk. On the condition that he will be part of the USSR .. From which he dumped first. Well, if you do not count the Balts. For some reason, taking what was given on the terms of being in the USSR. When did it come, is it your "always"?
And if for me, then the situation is like with Kosovo. When the discoverers chop off the primordial from the owners. The only difference is that in Kosovo, the Albanians were at least the majority, in contrast to the NKR, where Azerbaijanis were not the titular nation.

[izGOI]

Since the time the tyrannosaurs settled there?
One letter dropped out! Not tyrannosaurs, but tyrannosaurs - i.e. Armenians.

[Witness]

..... As far as I know, before the 1750s ....
I see you are immortal ... You saw it yourself, I suppose you were present at the coronation ...
You, sir, may not know, but the Afshars you mentioned, none other than one of the offshoots of the Oguzes, who are the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis. And whoever thinks what in Iran, "science does not know this" ....)))

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Svidetel

..... As far as I know, before the 1750s ....

Initially Median possession, then almost 1000 years Armenian, then Albanian, then again Armenian, Safavids, the essence of Iranians, then Turkish, but not for long, then again Armenian, also for a short time, then again Persian. Here we actually got to 1750.

Quote: Svidetel

but the Afshars you mentioned, none other than one of the branches of the Oguzes, who are the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis.

My dear, perhaps it will be a revelation for you, but ... But the Oghuz participated in the ethnogenesis of the Russian people. For example black hoods. Settled in the Vladimir principality, which actually became one of the centers of crystallization of Russians .. And with this approach to the issue ... If you wish, you can argue that you not only have no rights to nK, but also to Baku. For this is a primordially Russian city. As well as many other things. Do you want to return the lands seized from it to Russia?

Quote: Svidetel

And whoever thinks what in Iran, "science does not know this" ....)))

So we got to the point. In principle, you do not want to listen to anyone but yourself. This is the root of the problem.

[Keyser soze]

Why is it necessary to take sides in this conflict?

Yes, because if Armenia falls, you will be OUT from the Caucasus and from Central Asia in general.
The second - so that they do not firmly establish themselves as a country with "1001st Russian concern." The Turks act insolently, openly and they don't give a damn about you.
Third, you have no allies. Take away Armenia and Belarus and end.
Fourth, no one will take you seriously in the world and no one will ever want an alliance with you. Because everyone can wipe off the ass with the Russian allies, which is what the Turks are doing now.

So now it’s still time to be angry with the Armenians, Pashinyans, and weave also Soros and Marsians. And, yes - you also want to knock Turkey out of NATO ... yes, you will be doing NATO a huge service, because they are already asleep and think how to drive out a crazy underdog.

And the Greeks are already massively building up cooperation with the Americans - bases, weapons, etc. This is what we will begin to do because serious military support and modern weapons are needed against the Sultan. Incirlik will be moved to Greece and Bulgaria and that's it.

[Temples]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Yes, because if Armenia falls, you will be OUT from the Caucasus and from Central Asia in general.

Why do you think so?
See how many tourists from Russia are in Georgia.
See how many tourists from Russia are in Turkey.

A country like Russia does not and cannot have allies.
Neither the United States nor China has allies.

Great countries have interests.
The Caucasus is included in the zone of interests of Russia.

Ukraine and Belarus are also in the zones of Russia's interests.

And your speculation is the result of the brainwashing of the liberal media.

There is no "free" world.

EU is the zone of US interests.
They won't be able to fart there without permission.

If you don't understand, then look at what Merkel is doing. A rational person of his own free will cannot go down like that. She does it. And her actions show the rest of the EU who is the boss and who is the subordinate.

So, what is not sad for you, but Russia will be in the Caucasus and Central Asia and in Syria, and even more so in Belarus and Ukraine.

[serzh.kost]

Respect, I agree 100%. Russia has no clear, consistent foreign policy at all. and by this policy she put herself in a zugzwang position, where any subsequent move leads to a weakening of the position. Russia is trying to be good with everyone, to sit on all the chairs, and IMHO, in my opinion, Russia has a fear of conflicts, it's one thing to threaten America in the style of Zhirinovsky
but to prove it in practice is different. Crimea, Syria is certainly good, but these are episodic successes. You need to overcome this inferiority complex, not bury your head in the sand, mark your red lines and consistently defend them.

[CSKA]

Quote: serzh.kost

Russia is trying to be good with everyone, to sit on all the chairs

Give an example?

Quote: serzh.kost

Russia has a fear of conflict

What?)))))) Is participation in 3 military conflicts over the past 12 years a fear? Do not talk nonsense. We have a clear foreign policy, but you want to wave a sword around the armies of the armies. You only want to unleash wars with computers, but then we have to fight, but you continue to sit at computers and engage in delusional criticism.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CSKA

Give an example?

Why bring that? Putin has always called the Anlo-Saxons and NATO partners, and not as enemies or opponents. And now look what these "partners" are doing in relation to the Russian Federation.
What kind of partners are they? The Anglo-Saxons have been our fiercest enemies for several centuries.

Quote: CSKA

We have a clear foreign policy,

How can there be a coherent policy if there is no political will? Explain this to me ... how can you lease the land of your most important external political interests (I'm talking about Ukraine), while talking about a coherent policy? You fell from Mars, dear?

[CSKA]

Quote: NEXUS

Why bring that? Putin has always called the Anlo-Saxons and NATO partners, and not as enemies or opponents. And now look what these "partners" are doing in relation to the Russian Federation.
What kind of partners are they? The Anglo-Saxons have been our fiercest enemies for several centuries.

What should he call them? To insult with a mat? At least you can understand with your head that there is a normal, adequate language of communication at the international level. And neither the Russian Federation nor the USSR allowed themselves to call the countries with whom they had a dialogue in the UN as enemies.

Quote: NEXUS

How can there be a coherent policy if there is no political will?

You have delirium delirium. It was not political will in 2008 to fight with Georgia? There was no political will to send troops to Crimea? There was no political will to annex Crimea? There was no political will in the SAR to get involved in the war? Chatting anyhow to chatting something.

Quote: NEXUS

Explain this to me ... how can you give up the land of your most important external political interests (I'm talking about Ukraine), while talking about a coherent policy?

Well, tell us the smart guy, what had to be done with Ukraine? Let the genius of geopolitics, do not hesitate, enlighten us.

Quote: NEXUS

You fell from Mars, dear?

I'm not from Mars, I'm just an adult who knows examples from history, understands geopolitics and understands how things are done in the world, and not talk about foreign policy at the level of a locksmith. It is he who can sit with friends over a bottle of vodka and talk about where to start the invasion, without thinking about anything else.

[Vadim_888]

The Russian leaders came to understand that the Russian economy simply would not be able to handle another hot spot, the people gradually stopped paying the communal flat and returned the message to the government - "there is no money, but you are holding on")))))

[CSKA]

Quote: Vadim_888

Russian leaders have come to understand that the Russian economy simply will not pull another hot spot.

Well ka enlighten us in what hot spots we participate and how much they cost us.

Quote: Vadim_888

people smoothly stopped already communal

Well, if you stopped paying, it does not mean that everyone has stopped.))))) They love different talkers for the whole people to talk about.

[CSKA]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Because if Armenia falls

)))) Do you think Azerbaijan wants to invade Armenia?

Quote: Keyser Soze

and from Central Asia actually

Why all of a sudden?

Quote: Keyser Soze

The Turks act insolently, openly and they don't give a damn about you.

Open? Is this why they justify that they did not shoot down the Su-25?

Quote: Keyser Soze

Third, you have no allies. Take away Armenia and Belarus and end.

And who will remove them and how? Are Kazakhstan and China not allies?

Quote: Keyser Soze

Fourth, no one will take you seriously in the world and no one will ever want an alliance with you. Because everyone can wipe off the ass with the Russian allies, which is what the Turks are doing now.

It's just nonsense. The Turks don't wipe anything about anyone. Can you tell the smart guy why they still haven't wiped anything out about Syria? And it's not for you obedient vassals to tell us about our allies. We wiped our feet on Georgia in 2008 for a small South Ossetia.

Quote: Keyser Soze

This is what we will begin to do because serious military support and modern weapons are needed against the Sultan.

)))) Who needs you? You mega wars are counting on only someone. The United States will not be for you with Turkey if it were to fight, and even more so Europe. And they need a base in eastern Turkey much more than you have in Bulgaria.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Third, you have no allies.

You have this in Europe, a master-slave relationship, while Russia, just imagine, has allies. China alone is worth something (albeit situational, but an ally). And such allies as Belarus and Armenia, and enemies are not needed. One headache, half of the state, with claims to "world greatness". By and large, if we discard the pro-American alliances, then with the rest of the world, Russia, quite normal relations. As for Greece, let them build whatever they want, only then, as always, they will cry. Confused from them, like from a goat of milk. As with Bulgaria, however.

[NEXUS]

Quote: orionvitt

and Russia, just imagine, has allies.

While all these allies are temporary. Even the same Belarus, taking into account the wagging of the past Batka, cannot be called a real ally.

Quote: orionvitt

then with the rest of the world

WHO called that world and made it LAGGER, tell me?

[orionvitt]

Quote: NEXUS

WHO called that world and made it LAGGER, tell me?

Read carefully, and then you will not ask stupid questions, neither for Belarus nor for Armenia. In addition, I have written the rest the world and not backward.

[Vadim_888]

Has China helped you in Ukraine or in Syria?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vadim_888

Has China helped you in Ukraine or in Syria?

Was it necessary? There are things that Russia is able to solve for itself. As for Ukraine, there are no Russian troops there yet. When there will be, then there will be no Ukraine.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Keyser Soze

The Turks act insolently, openly and they don't give a damn about you.

It looks like a phrase from a cartoon: "They called you a spotted frog. And also - an earthworm!"
Israel is also acting openly, but you "did not notice" this. Pashinyan, scaring Europe with the Turks, also did not voice Israel's participation in the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan. Locked topic.

Third - you have no allies

We don't need them. Our reliable allies are the Army, Air Force and Navy.

And the Greeks are already massively building up cooperation with the Americans - bases, weapons, etc.

Georgians also "massively rebuilt cooperation with the Americans." Did not help.

This is what we will begin to do because serious military support and modern weapons are needed against the Sultan.

You would be better off restoring the enterprises that the USSR created for you.
There will be at least some result.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Temples

Both sides of the conflict decided to live independently in 91.
So they live as they can.

I wonder how the borders of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic were determined?
Territory - 11 458 km², population - 151 000 people.

[g1v2]

Psychological pressure - trying to put the Armenian civilian on the slippers. In order not to arrange a purge directly, they force Armenians to leave for Armenia.

[akropin]

There are no virtues on either side. The shelling of Ganja by Armenia confirms this.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Insurgent

Shelling of Stepanokert 04.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

Invasion.
They don't destroy their liberated cities like that.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Insurgent

Shelling of Stepanokert 04.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

23.08.1942/4/XNUMX forces of the German XNUMXth Air Fleet began a massive bombardment of Stalingrad. In just one day:
- there were about 2 thousand flights;
- the city was destroyed by almost 90%, turning into ruins;
- more than 90 thousand people were killed.

And that was just the beginning of that great story.

When someone deliberately fires at the houses of civilians, he deserves the appropriate sentence of the military tribunal. Civilians - one cannot but empathize in such a situation.

But when just about anyone calls the defense of any city "their Stalingrad" - this cannot but arouse disgust for those who say so. Who unleashed on the Armenians such a force that the Germans unleashed on our Stalingrad? What did the Armenians do to put themselves on a par with the heroic defenders of Stalingrad?

Such comparisons are nothing more than absurd boasting, which, repeated periodically, is gradually capable of devaluing the very name of Stalingrad in the minds of contemporaries.

[Grits]

Quote: Livonetc

Azerbaijan is ready to raze Stepanokert to the ground.

Azerbaijan claims that this is their land. So this is their city. And the people who inhabit this city are their people. It turns out that the Azerbaijanis are shelling their city with their people (like Ukraine). Accordingly, this can already be regarded as genocide of their own people.

[Egoza]

Liberation War? Show civilians "joyfully meeting liberators"!

[K-612-O]

Showed entry to Talysh, no one in the village, all left before the arrival of Azeri warriors. Probably fled to celebrate.

[g1v2]

Well, they remember how they themselves drove the Azeris out of there and understand that nothing good for them will end. If the Azeri win, then the Armenians will have to abandon everything and flee to Armenia. Everything is as usual. It was better to prepare for war.

[yehat2]

In the 90s I was acquainted with a refugee from NK, an Armenian.
He still lives in Siberia. So not only Azerbaijanis fled from there.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: g1v2

remember how the Azeris themselves were driven out of there

Since that moment, a whole generation of people has grown up (and not just one, strictly speaking), who have not expelled any Azeri from anywhere. They were born and raised there. And their children, who sleep in their homes, were born there. Now shells are bursting near those houses. Now some Azerbaijanis have come and brought them grief, suffering and death.

[g1v2]

The history of relations between peoples is centuries. One generation is about nothing. Do you think in 100 years this conflict will be forgotten? He will always be in the heads of both peoples. Well, grief, suffering and death - this is war. It cannot be different.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: g1v2

One generation is about nothing

Sorry, but it's you with your opinion - about nothing

[sabakina]

Quote: Egoza

Liberation War? Show civilians "joyfully meeting liberators"!

Elena, extras are still behind the scenes. You didn't bach the kin? c) Brother-2

[Insurgent]

Quote: Egoza

Liberation War? Show civilians "joyfully meeting liberators"!

Similar "visitor"we saw at home ... April 2014 and beyond ...



There is one house less in Shirokino! GY-GY! And then let's go looting! (VIDEO 2015)

[Incvizitor]

There, the liberation of the territory from the Armenians.

[ashot1973]

There, the liberation of the territory from the Armenians.

- There is open terror against the Armenians (a plan for ethnic cleansing, continuation of the genocide). The Sultan wants this and strives for this ... he needs the Caucasus without Armenians.
And the Armenians are fighting with dignity against the Turks, Azeris and + recruited militants from Arab countries. In fact, Arab gangs (international terrorist groups) are fighting on the territory of Azerbaijan side by side with the Az Armed Forces. with Turkish specialists and instructors against the NKR Defense Army. Azerbaijan has no idea what it is involved in, in fact, the patronage of terrorists at the state level is an international scandal with its consequences. Nevertheless, the promised lightning-fast victory of Gay-dar the younger DID NOT RECEIVE. After such a failure, Baku, at the direction of the Sultan, begins another tactic of action - to launch missile and bomb strikes on the cities and towns of the NKR. What happens? It turns out a new hotbed similar to the Syrian crisis ...

[ashot1973]

Note-

Arab gangs (international terrorist groups) are fighting in Azerbaijan side by side with the Az.

:
https://world.segodnya.ua/world/wnews/v-erevane-vylozhili-peregovory-arabskih-naemnikov-eto-ne-voyna-a-myasorubka-1480481.html
I have the honor!

[Victor_B]

"For us today it is like Stalingrad": residents of Nagorno-Karabakh about the significance of Stepanakert

In turn, in Azerbaijan they talk about a liberation war - a war for "de-occupation of Azerbaijani territories".

Two points of view on the same events.
And all this is abundantly wetted with blood ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Victor_B

Two points of view on the same events.

This point of view is as old as humanity. As soon as the man took the stone in his hands, off we go. "This is not yours, this is mine." For some, this manifests itself less, others, on the contrary, cannot live without it. In the end, it all comes down to one who is stronger. Also in the ability to choose your friends and at the same time be a friend yourself. The Caucasus has problems with this, with their ambition. So, you wanted independence, now sip on spoons. Independence is not just a political abstraction, it is also the ability and willingness to defend it.

[yehat2]

so far in this conflict, the tasks of intimidation and disinformation are mainly achieved, and by both sides.
let's see what will happen next.

[SSR]

Quote: yehat2

so far in this conflict, the tasks of intimidation and disinformation are mainly achieved, and by both sides.
let's see what will happen next.

I don’t know, maybe I’m grilling, but it seemed to me that when they showed the Azerbaijani city after the bombing and showed Stepanakert, the cars in the NGOs will be richer.
According to the article, in general, both sides are no longer hiding, beating the peacemen with what they can.

[yehat2]

Well, after all, Azerbaijan, with its high-precision drones, was the first to start hitting the city with MLRS.

[tlauicol]

"De jure" Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan, but "de facto" Karabakh people "are waiting for their liberators with open arms."

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

There are even more Armenians on the market in Rostov, is it really Stalingrad for the Armenians, or again a Russian soldier must go to save Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Varyag71]

Of course, Russian Ivan should. And these will sit in the Krasnodar Territory and warm their fifths on the beach.

[K-612-O]

Several charters flew from Russia to Armenia, so not everyone is sitting.

[tralflot1832]

And for some reason, there are no Armenians in Murmansk, there are Azerbaijanis already as a local ethnos.

[paul3390]

Something they did not think about Stalingrad, when Pashinyan was namaydani and carried away by Russophobia .. They began to lick the West's boots - and how much did he help them? Do not hear loud speeches for Armenia ... What - was it unclear that Azerbaijan would not just retreat? And what have you been doing all these years instead of preparing for war? But as always - Russia is now obliged to help .. We may help, and then what? Again, we won't even hear thanks?

[venik]

Quote: paul3390

They began to lick the West's boots - and how much did he help them?

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Yeah! The cunning Armenian politicians miscalculated - somehow they did not think that if the relations between Russia and Armenia "cool down" to such a level that the Russian Federation does not "fit in" with Armenia, Azerbaijan will immediately "rush" to "conquer" the territory! And "Uncle Sam" won't "fit in" for them, he doesn't even intend to! Is it only "promises" to feed ...

[Vadim_888]

Do not worry, colleagues, the Russians will not help the Armenians, then the Iranians will help them, Iran is not interested either in the fall of Armenia, or in the strengthening of the Turks and Arzeybajans

[Servisinzhener]

Something is not heard about the introduction of the EU and the US sanctions against Azerbaijan. Only news flashes about Pashinyan's calls around the world. And it seems in these telephone conversations he is told how "his call is important" and "we will definitely call you back."
By the way, you do not know how it is with the construction of the second Switzerland in Armenia. Have you built a lot already?

[Roman13579]

They began to lick the boots of the West

And why is it bad to lick the boots of the West, and not us ??)

You can't hear loud performances for Armenia ..

The speeches were just ... both from Macron and from Trump ... But what's the point ...

We can help you, and then what?

And then we need to be offended at ourselves .. For it’s not easy to go into every barrel with a plug ..

[paul3390]

And why is it bad to lick the boots of the West, and not us ??)

The fact that they are running to us for help, and not to the West .. They will wait for even a rotten cartridge from the WWII era ..

[Roman13579]

they are running to us for help

Well, let them run ..

From even that rotten cartridge of the WWII times, hell will wait ..

And who is the fool in this situation ??

[iouris]

Combat actions are directed. They aim to eliminate the influence of the Russian Federation in the region completely. And the suffering of the residents is a necessary cost for the leaders. In this form, the problem of Karabakh cannot be solved. A relatively peaceful solution to the problem (not through genocide) is the entry of Azerbaijan and Armenia into one empire. There are two such empires.

[K-612-O]

For a minute they are there 3. Iran is also not out of love for art supports the Armenians, of course frail, but all the same.
The Sunni Aliyev somehow does not imply them, and the scenario of a Shiite coup, if the position of the president shakes, I am also afraid there is. And the prospect of legalizing their oil through Baku and pushing the Sultan away from the Caucasus is very tempting, and the Persians, unlike the Turks, do not like to fuss.

[iouris]

Iran is not being considered. When Turkey seizes Transcaucasia, Iran will be hit from there.

[K-612-O]

First you ask Iran that. They don't raise a tantrum, never. And if there are 20 million Azerbaijanis at home, it is possible to pick up a resource and conduct it from Baku quietly and subtly.
And not de in Iran, so as not to understand what the appearance of the Turks in the Caspian can turn

[iouris]

It is one thing to understand, it is quite another to be able to resist.

[K-612-O]

In Latin America, they find opportunities to act, but not on their border? I just suspect that Aliyev's opposition is fully cooperating with Tehran, and the Persians at a convenient moment (especially if there are no military successes) will shake the situation, especially through the Shiites, Talysh and Lizghins.

[iouris]

Do not exaggerate the importance of the religious factor in this war. In it, the "national aspirations" of the ruling elites of Azerbaijan and Armenia play a secondary role.

[unhappy]

You are not a beginner on the site and should have heard: Russia benefits from the aggression of Azerbaijan. Pashinyan is a "sorosenok" and it's good that he now gets in the face! The Armenians have only one choice - to drive out the American protege, and then a new adequate president will request and receive our help. Aliyev is not insane and will not "bullshit" against Putin

[iouris]

Quote: unhappy

Russia benefits from the aggression of Azerbaijan.

I do not know who you mean by the term "Russia". In terms of such concepts, it cannot be ruled out that aggression is beneficial to "Armenia" too. Objectively, war is a loss of influence, and the loss of influence in the Transcaucasus is very dangerous. The territory of the Russian Federation is very passable.

[unhappy]

[quoteI don't know who you mean by the term "Russia".] [/ quote]
Such a country, a state. There are such concepts - state policy, state interests. Our country needs the people of Armenia to expel the American henchmen so that they do not build illusions that they will not receive help from Mars or America! Only Russia!

[Bully]

Russia benefits from Azerbajan's aggression

Not profitable even once. Pashinyan's task is simple - to embroil the Armenians and the Russians. In the event of the defeat of the Armenians (I really would not like it), a confident step will be made in this direction. Do you think unreasonable children are playing against us? The choice is left: if you go straight - it is bad, to the right or to the left - even worse. The Pashinyans come and go, and the enmity will soar for more than one generation. Look, what hatred the Ukrainians have towards us, but the fraternal people - together they fought shoulder to shoulder during the Second World War. Now America is closer to them

[iouris]

Well, then "Russia" has a name and surname, addresses, passwords, attendance.

[Roman13579]

Russia benefits from the aggression of Azerbaijan. Pashinyan is a "sorosenok" and it's good that he now gets in the face!

And what is the benefit to us ??
It is important for us where the borders of states will pass, or just what some Pashinyan will get in the face ??)

The Armenians have only one choice - to drive out the American protege, and then a new adequate president will request and receive our help.

Well, they won't be sent away ..
Well, they won't.
What's next?? Where will our exit be ??)

Aliyev is not insane and will not "bullshit" against Putin

Yes, and Putin will not go anywhere .. The Turks have clearly declared their intentions .. this is their region .. like our Donbass .. And no Putin will fight with anyone there ..
Erdogan has no less authority, and the army is no worse .. and they are at home there ..

[unhappy]

Erdogan has no less authority, and no worse army ..

Are you serious

The Turks have clearly stated their intentions .. this is their region ..

Judging by their intentions, they are reviving the Ottoman Empire, do you think everyone around should bow their heads in fear? Do not flatter yourself, they will explain who is who ...

[Roman13579]

Are you serious

Seriously..
And what are the doubts ?? That in a skirmish with the Turks and them and we would get mum do not cry ?? This is not Ukraine, and not Georgia .. This is already an automatic 3 MV pulls ..

Judging by their intentions, they are reviving the Ottoman Empire

And I wrote - Erdogan has no less authority ..
He is not afraid to butt with Europe, and bites with the United States ... and Putin is not scared in Syria ... And in Karabakh, he is not shy about his intention to voice it ..
Quite such a leader .. no matter how anyone likes it ..

in your opinion Everyone around should bow their heads in fear?

Why in fear ??
Look, we, too, have been shouting in recent years that the unipolar world is over .. that we are cool now .. we climb everywhere, we return the islands .. we are at war with our neighbors .. we are not ashamed that we are increasingly called the leading player on the world stage .. So what ?? We can, but the Turks can't ??
We tell everyone - do not be afraid of us .. and we are surprised that they are afraid ..
And we ourselves are afraid that the Turks decide something in the same way at home ..

Do not flatter yourself, they will explain who is who ...

I am not deluded .. they are parallel to me ..
If it interferes with someone's sleep, let them go and explain ..))

Shl .. in the LDNR, too, a lot of explainers on the first ride from ours .. and in VK whole groups were set .. So what ?? Did they prove something to themselves?

[unhappy]

How to explain to you
When they talk about a multipolar world, they mean world centers: America, China, Russia, the European Union, possibly India. Turkey is one of the regional powers, like Israel or Brazil. Well, has it become clearer who is who?
Accordingly, we can talk about the authority of the head of the center of power. Erdogan, he has authority Maybe among the Turkic peoples, but not all.
PS: the volunteers went not to speak or to prove something, they defended the Russian population from Banderlog. And if Bandera did not understand something, they will understand later, when they yell "do not kill us, we were deceived!"

[Roman13579]

When they talk about a multipolar world, they mean world centers: America, China, Russia, the European Union, possibly India. Turkey is one of the regional powers, like Israel or Brazil. Well, has it become clearer who is who?
Accordingly, one can say

No need to explain it to me ..))
You can say whatever you want .. but in fact Erdogan does what he needs .. and is not inferior to Putin in this regard ..

Erdogan, he has no authority. Maybe the Turkic peoples, but not all.

And who has it all? Can Trump have authority over everyone ?? He, too, is kicked by many .. including their own .. But the United States did not become less significant in the arena .. Merkel, Macron ?? Si ?? Anyone went straight out - said .. and everyone sat down? Yes nifiga ..
And Putin is also chmyr in half of the countries .. and who is who ??
I wrote as it is in fact .. and in fact Erdogan is now a figure - which cannot be ignored .. You can write anything - but without meeting with him, without agreements - nothing is done in that region .. And he has no weight no less, the European Union or Indian ..
Well, the fact that he does not climb outside the region is another matter .. It means he does not need to .. Not to deal with Mexico ..

they defended the Russian population from Banderlog.

Well, now they can go to protect us from Erdogan ..))

[Vadim_888]

Who will do it? One of your aircraft has already been shot down, did you explain something to them?

[unhappy]

Young man, matters of this magnitude are resolved on a different level. This is not a fight at the pub, you are for me and I for you ...
After the attack of our plane, the Turkish Air Force somehow quieted down (I suppose they really were told what and how) and for many years our and Syrian bombers without hindrance knocked out Gamna from the pro-Turkish barmaley. We stood up for them only when the remnants of the M4 were squeezed out and even then without aviation (why is this?). Now the barmaley control a small area of ​​the territory and it seems like a strong Syrian group has been assembled, soon these "heroes" will be full of kirdyk.
It is necessary to think

[tihonmarine]

Quote: unhappy

Aliyev is not insane and will not "bullshit" against Putin

Well, somehow they decided everything amicably with the previous Armenian leader, but Pashinyan did not succeed, or did not want to. But if the Turks enter Karabakh, then this is already not good for everyone.

[techpriest]

Quote: iouris

A relatively peaceful solution to the problem (not through genocide) is the entry of Azerbaijan and Armenia into one empire. There are two such empires.

This is not a solution to the problem, but another freeze of the conflict. Interethnic strife there will not disappear in this way.

[iouris]

I think Erdogan launched an offensive to break through a corridor to Azerbaijan. Regime change in Baku, apparently, is not a question for Erdogan. Israel and NATO will support. They need Azerbaijan. Moscow did not draw "red lines". Or am I missing something?

[K-612-O]

After the statements about Turkish Jerusalem, and Gantz then undertook to condemn the Turks and Azerbaijanis + plus the gas issue in the Mediterranean, the Turks can not expect support from Israel

[iouris]

It's a matter of priorities. The destruction of Iran (minimum of the regime) is the main priority for Israel and Turkey. And they have an "older brother" - the United States.

[Roman13579]

Regime change in Baku, apparently, is not a question for Erdogan.

Aliyev is fighting to be replaced ??)

[K-612-O]

And this option cannot be ruled out on the Turkish agenda. The sultan also called Assad a brother, they rested together, families, and the result? And I repeat once again, at the slightest nix, there the Persians will try to push their man and regain control over the former territories

[Roman13579]

the Persians of their man will try to shove

The Persians will try .. everyone always tries to shove their own everywhere ..
But Aliyev seems to have his own for the Turks.

[K-612-O]

Aliyev, although highly dependent on Turkey, is still independent, as far as he can, and will not give up relations with Russia, and he does not conflict with Iran either. And he will suit us completely and demarche and break all ties, and he will go on to impose religion in life. Isn't it an option?

[Roman13579]

Yes, you can come up with a bunch of options ..
Arrange a demarche for us, break ties .. So why doesn't Aliyev break ?? Maybe it's the economy ?? The people can also arrange a "demarche" for such a ruler .. when there is less to eat .. Turkey itself does not break anything with us, but to seize Azerbaijan is to break ties .. L - logic ..))
Religion .. I don’t know .. far .. is it not the same there they have ..

[K-612-O]

And by the way, and smiling softly, the Persians came around the corner:

Iran proposed a plan to resolve the conflict in Karabakh

Foreign Ministry spokesman Said Khatibzade said Iran is closely following developments along its northeastern borders and is in contact with both sides of the conflict

"Iran has prepared a detailed plan, and it will be offered to both sides of the conflict and the countries of the region."

@SputnikArmenia

[iouris]

Quote: Roman13579

Aliyev seems to have their own

Erdogan has values, interests, strategies and resources. To what extent does Aliyev fit into this framework, and up to what point? Remember: "The violinist is no longer needed. I have skatapulated him."

[Roman13579]

To what extent does Aliyev fit into this framework, and up to what point?

Everyone writes that Pashinyan is a Soros protege, etc.
To what extent does Pashinyan fit into the plans of amers, and until when ??
But what if?? What if?? Questions about the spherical horse ..
Why did they decide that Aliyev did not fit into something at all .. Fantasies ..

[iouris]

If Aliyev's positions were strong, then the war would not have started.

[Roman13579]

Well, I say - he started a war so that Erdogan eventually overthrew him ..))

[Ros 56]

Raising the flag, of course, you need to work hard, but keeping it there is still a big deal.

[north 2]

What was the main and first problem that Pashinyan found when he came to power in Armenia with the help of a quiet coup? Correctly old and the main problem of NDT. And he knew that it could explode any day and even ruin the entire Armenian people, not only in NK, but also in Armenia itself .. The fact that Turkey had long spoken about that Turks and Azerbaijanis are one people, Pashinyan knew and heard about this more than once ... Pashinyan also knew that Erdogan imagined himself so much that neither Washington, nor Moscow, nor Brussels could order him. Pashinyan knew how Moscow snapped Erdogan
on the nose, not allowing to destroy Assad and freeing Syria from ISIS and stopping the smuggling of Syrian oil into the pocket of Erdogan's family. And in what and where Erdogan could recoup, how not to subjugate Azerbaijan and not directing Azerbaijan to a total aggravation in NK, Pashinyan, you see, did not get it. Well, yes, flirting with the West, and let Russia take care of the trouble of NK. Moreover, during these two years that Pashinyan was in power, there was also an obvious Russophobic and anti-Russian policy in Pashinyan Armenia. That there is only one anti-Russian provocation with Russian schools in Armenia. And it is also very important that those leaders whose leaders were overthrown by Pashinin and that part of the Armenian people who were devoted to these overthrown leaders, this part of the Armenian people and those leaders will go to fight and die for the Armenian people and for Armenia in the trenches near Stepanakert and near Yerevan. But I doubt that the Armenian liberties and the liberal elite of Armenia, which adore the West and support Pashinyan, will do the same. After all, Russian liberalism is lamenting and does not understand why, they say, it was necessary to die, but not surrender, to the enemy Leningrad and Stalingrad ... So Pashinyan and the ego of the anti-Russian policy also split the Armenian people. And this Armenian people are already few in number. And I don't believe Pashinyan. So Russia is on board, but when trouble came, so Russia save us ...

[Tneburashka]

The former republics of the USSR seem to need independence so that they can be friends with friends,

[From Tomsk]

Yeah, Kursk Bulge.

[Mayor lee]

I agree)))

[Cottager452]

Armenia without Karabakh = Russia without Armenia.

[Mayor lee]

How is Stalingrad?)) In this city, Soviet troops fought to the death, destroying the foe. And stepanakert (Khankendi) military is not visible, the minyak leaves the city

[Dave36]

Russia is completely incapacitated, and depends on both Iran and the Turks. Azerbaijanis do not need NK-mountains, there is nothing, they do not plan to live there, but the military is the place there. And yes, I think the Turks need a corridor and the resources of Azerbaijan. Erdogan at least fights for the fact that the Turks would live more satisfying .. what's wrong with that? Wars begin in order to earn, either territories, or money, but so that their people would live better! Well, we, well, at least someone would say, we are one people and two states ?! Everyone quickly remembered that they were not Russian ... maybe our leadership is doing something wrong? And it's not worth harnessing for the Armenians ... they whine to the whole world, but they themselves did not recognize NK ... and why they fired at the peaceful people from a hurricane putting an equal sign between each other ...

[Whirlwind]

Stalingrad is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, in which Armenia and Azerbaijan lived not without problems, but without wars. Developed and strengthened. Now, grappling for the joy of the United States, Turkey and NATO, let them not cling to the great feat of the Soviet people in Stalingrad, where both Armenians and Azerbaijanis fought TOGETHER against the German invaders.
Stepanakert will only become a prototype of Stalingrad when the Armenians are TOGETHER! with the Azerbaijanis, they will deploy weapons against the actual aggressors who started this bloody massacre - the United States and Turkey. And they will return to the USSR, the successor of which is the Russian Federation.
Only in this case will Russia be able to end this mutual destruction of its peoples.

[Old26]

Quote: CSKA

Oh well, don't go overboard. We have no Armenians in Krasnodar Territory and 2% of the population. And in Stavropol there are more people from the North Caucasus than from Armenia.

Actually, Vicki says that in the Krasnodar Territory in 2010, about 5,4% of the population are Armenians. In the Stavropol Territory, there are actually more people from the North Caucasus in total than there are Armenians. In 2010, the total number of immigrants from the middle class was 13,26% versus 5,85% of Armenians. If we count each separately, the second largest population of the region is Armenian. All the rest - less

Quote: CSKA

There is one Armenian church for the millionth Krasnodar, not one school. Don't tell stories.

There is also one church for about half a million Stavropol. There is a school, but on the territory of the temple (the regime, how many classes, etc. - I don't know). And there is no general education school with teaching in Armenian, at least in Stavropol.

[seacap]

And what, Soros does not help, that he was in vain to start all this last year and took over the parliament? diasporas (I still don't understand the meaning of such organizations) when they will carry out mobilization throughout Russia, you can easily recruit more than one division? ?

[seacap]

Quote: Old26

If we count each separately, the second largest population of the region is Armenian. All the rest - less

T.N. New Moscow in general was built for them, especially trade, markets and state structures, there are probably more of them in one capital city than in Armenia.