A video of the new Kalashnikov PPK-20 submachine gun appeared on the web

A video of a review of the new Kalashnikov PPK-20 submachine gun appeared on the Web. The Kalashnikov concern has posted a 50-second video on its YouTube channel.

The end of state tests of a new caliber submachine gun developed as part of the Vityaz-MO development work (ROC) was reported on the 20th of July this year. Submachine gun. named "PPK-20", was created on the basis of the serially produced PP "Vityaz-SN" since 2005, taking into account the remarks and shortcomings revealed during its operation.

The official name of the new weapons sounds like: "9 mm Kalashnikov submachine gun PPK-20".

It is stated that at the stage of development of a new submachine gun, the design and composition of the product were brought in line with the requirements of the tactical and technical assignment, the ergonomics of the PP and the equipment attached to it were improved, and a device for low-noise shooting was introduced into the composition. The reliability of the new PCB has been significantly improved compared to the base product.

The video shows the performance characteristics of the submachine gun: the length of the PPK-20 is 640-700 mm, the length of the barrel is 233 mm. Weight, according to the video - 3,65 kg (possibly equipped with a silencer). The magazine is designed for 30 rounds of 9X19 LUGER caliber.

The PPK-20 includes: a muffler, a belt with one-point and two-point fastening, a special bag for carrying magazines, related equipment and cleaning agents.

Comments

[hhurik]

Curiously, did you manage to fix the innate constructive jamb - breaking out of the receiver guides with the bolt after 3-4 thousand shots? On civilian models, users were pressing collective farms of some kind of rollers, just to extend the resource.

[Hunter 2]

There is no need to compare "fenced" weapons with combat ones. Believe me, not only the automatic mode is removed there.
In addition to the task of equipping the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I think that the PP also has an export potential. Well, for those who want to have this PP - the civil version. Normal commercial project of the Kalashnikov concern, good luck to the gunsmiths!

[hhurik]

Questions of faith are for the priests. And this jamb was revealed precisely by the sportsman-shooters who shoot thousands of cartridges. It's funny, usually Kalashoids live until they burn the trunk. Here a Luger barrel for 9x19 without loss of accuracy can freely withstand 50-70 thousand shots, taking into account the cost of a cartridge of 8 rubles, a shot is an excellent topic for babaching. However, the trouble is sadness - the receiver is falling in. In fact, the bolt with a stub of the bolt carrier stem from distortion (because there is no gas outlet, there is only one fiction) is held by the rivet of the piccatini rail. So they will shove her in every way - a screw-in, with a ball, a self-adjusting, etc. collective farm.
On a serious matter, I would not go with such a weapon.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. At the expense of increasing the resource of the receiver "Saigi-9" under 9x19 mm on "Kalashnikov-Media" video test https://kalashnikov.media/video/weapons/sayga-9-resursnyy-test. In an earlier discussion of the appearance of the PPK-20, I already threw off this link to you, but it seemed to you it was just too lazy to watch it.

[hhurik]

I don’t remember the dialogue with you, but I already watched this video somewhere on the profile forum. I appreciated the elegance of the design solution: the long-suffering removable receiver cover, already prone to backlash, weighed down by optics and other collimators / magnifiers / thermal imagers, was forced to serve as a support for the bouncing shutter. Driving in there an additional couple of rivets for reinforcement. Lovely

[Alexander Drobyshev]

This was not a dialogue, but my response to your comment in the article "Completed state tests of the new PPK-20 submachine gun" dated July 22, 2020. The design of the receiver cover, mounted on a hinge, inherited the modern models of the Kalashnikov concern from the AKS-74U assault rifle and did not cause any big complaints in operation, although it is also installed on weapons chambered for the 12k Magnum cartridge.

and for full-fledged rifle calibers for example 7,62x54R

or .308 Win.

For example, I am much more surprised by the placement of mechanical sighting devices on the REMOVABLE receiver cover of the Finnish "Valmetov" or Israeli "Galilah", appreciate their elegance of the constructive solution: how did they generally shoot weapons?

[hhurik]

It’s not interesting for me - to evaluate these foreign cars, I didn’t shoot and didn’t disassemble them. But I had a chance to use domestic Kalashoids (the state gave them from time to time) and even own a five-year hunting Boar with upper optics mount.
Conclusions: a vicious design, completely unsuitable for using optics due to the backlash and leaving of the STP at the slightest sneeze or just after cleaning with disassembly, and living and fighting without useful glass in the second millennium AD is bad manners. What is still good for mechanics does not work even for a small-clerk.
Apparently, this served the Soviet tradition to put a side bar: the box is still more reliable than the dangling lid. The collective farm of enthusiasts with the clinging of self-made strips to the seats of the mechanical sight and other perversions did not suit.

For this reason, I switched to foreign cars, where the picattini either forms a single whole with the receiver, or is bolted to a one-piece steel base.
Saiga -9 (nee Vityaz or whatever) was considered as a cheap bullet for the collection, but when all the entot constructive horror became clear, the need for it disappeared. Let's wait for a foreign car, taking into account the sanctions, they will deliver it to us from China or the country of wild monkeys, everything is better than domestic crafts.
To users from among servicemen - I express my sincere condolences, after all, this is a serious question, this is not this for you. Look, the reliability of the PYa was only made fun of, jokes were joking - and when it came to real clashes, losses appeared. Surprisingly, right?
https://glockmeister.livejournal.com/893539.html

[Alexander Drobyshev]

There are many opinions on any issue and each has its own I also have a negative experience with the attachment of sights, only it is connected precisely with their attachment to the side bar, since then attachment only to the "weaver" on the receiver cover (like "Bastion") or at least to the "Serpent" bar and you won't convince me in any way Well, as for the reliability of the PY, it is completely connected with the problems of early batches of cartridges, and not the weapon itself, that article does not say what kind of delay there was, but judging by my seven-year experience with the sporting "Viking", there was either a "candle" ( a whole cartridge clamped in the cartridge case ejection window, the problem is in a cartridge that is too short (by 3-3,5 mm), or a "chimney" (a spent cartridge jammed in the cartridge case ejection window, the problem is in a small powder charge), and even then it was only with pre-2014 cartridges. Well, as for the "bullet" under 9x19 mm, you can still take one of our production, just with the upper "aper" from the picatinny, for example Kurbatov Arms R-701

or carbine GM-9 Kozhaev

[avdkrd]

Quote: Hunter 2

There is no need to compare "fenced" weapons with combat ones. Believe me, not only the automatic mode is removed there.
In addition to the task of equipping the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I think that the PP also has an export potential. Well, for those who want to have this PP - the civil version. Normal commercial project of the Kalashnikov concern, good luck to the gunsmiths!

Can you tell us more about separate technological lines of civilian and military weapons? Or just to blurt out?

[Hunter 2]

It is possible and more detailed. Where is in my commentary about separate technological lines? Now let's move on to what the domestic manufacturer changes in the models of hunting weapons on the ones made on the basis of their army counterparts. Simplified barrel processing.
2. Simplified barrel polishing. 3. Changed the rifling pitch of the barrel. 4. Different shape and profile of grooves inside the barrel. 5. May change the receiver, and make other design changes. Deteriorating properties of the weapon.

Quote: avdkrd

Can you tell us more about separate technological lines of civilian and military weapons? Or just to blurt out?

Well, about blurt out ... a more modest young man.

[Insurgent]

A video of the new Kalashnikov PPK-20 submachine gun appeared on the web

Weight 3,65 kg.

? ? ?


Is this the weight of a submachine gun? When the "adult" AK-74 and its modifications with a folding stock have the following weight:

AK-74 - 3,3 / 3,6 (empty / loaded)
AKS-74 - 3,2 / 3,5 (empty / loaded)

What cast iron did you make it from? Are you going to trade them "by weight"?

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Insurgent

What cast iron did you make it from?

and given that without a muffler it is closer in size to the AKS-74U (2.7 \ 3 kg), then the question of the materials used rises sharply. Even if the weight with a muffler and a Picatinny rail is given. It's still a bit too much. Plus, the store and the cartridges are lighter. Is the trigger so different?

[asura]

The basic version was incredibly littered (there is no other way to say) the receiver due to the too light bolt. The bolt could also be weighted down. In general, I am amazed at how it was originally adopted with such jambs. The developers, apparently, were too lazy to see how the bourgeois make a cut of the Kalashnikov circuits for a free shutter - there the topic of the breakthrough of powder gases was solved long ago.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Insurgent

What cast iron did you make it from?

As I understand it, Glushak adds half a kilo to the weight of the machine.

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Is this the weight of a submachine gun? belay When the "adult" AK-74 and its modifications with a folding stock the weight is:
AK-74 - 3,3 / 3,6 (empty / loaded)
AKS-74 - 3,2 / 3,5 (empty / loaded)
What cast iron did you make it from? Are you going to trade them "by weight"?

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And what? Have close analogue, famous Heckler & Koch MP5 (mod. A3 and A5) - 3,25 kg with empty magazine). Add 30 rounds of 9x19 Luger (350-400 g) = 3.6 - 3.65 kg. And if you also hang the glushak ....... Oo-oo-oo-oo!
And nothing! It enjoys success all over the world. And it is not sold "by weight"!

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. Initially, the PPK-20 submachine gun was called "Vityaz-MO"

and its weight was 2,85 kg, PPK-20 is just a new name after revision. The weight of 3,65 kg is indicated with a loaded magazine, a silencer and a sight, it is unlikely that a telescopic stock weighs about 1 kg ... In addition, the weight of the PPK-20 does not differ much from similar ones: MP5 A3 / A5 - 3,25 kg (with an empty magazine for 30 rounds), Uzi - 3,7 kg (with an empty magazine for 25 rounds), lighter only "plastic" UMP9 2,25 kg (with an empty magazine for 30 rounds) and "aluminum" Colt SMG 635 2,61 kg (without magazine).

[Kalmar]

Quote: hhurik

Curiously, did you manage to fix the innate constructive jamb - breaking out of the receiver guides with the bolt after 3-4 thousand shots?

For civilian models, the problem has already been solved in Izhevsk elegantly: they added a rivet to the receiver cover so that the bolt does not "jump" when rolling back. Probably, the same was attached to the PPK too. Or, most likely, they scored: the customer still pays out of his own pocket, the broken PCB will write off and order a new one.

[Uncle lee]

Submachine gun. named "PPK-20"

Kalashnikov is recognizable!

[Pilot]

I'm surprised that even stupid managers did not attach axes and trimmers to mow grass to it. It seems like gunsmiths with new ideas ended in Russia.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pilot

I'm surprised that even stupid managers did not attach axes and trimmers to mow grass to it.

Like in an old joke ...

And you a lantern, offer a lantern on my forehead - so that at night I could mow!

©

[Kalmar]

Quote: Pilot

It seems like gunsmiths with new ideas ended in Russia.

I suspect that this is not the point, but a total reluctance to rebuild production for something different from the usual Kalashnikov scheme. Perhaps this is an echo of the still Soviet-era craving for total unification, or a simple desire to save money on everything and everyone. However, the fact remains: even if KK starts producing coffee grinders, they will still be based on the receiver and the AK bolt group))

[Catfish]

Already attached, human thought is not asleep.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Well, this "masturbation" has nothing to do with us, this is an American look at "AK for a zombie apocalypse" and, as far as I remember, it is made from the Hungarian "fenced" AMD-65, they have "mockery" of AK and - there is a fence for example

[Catfish]

Hello Alexander!
"It is a sin to laugh at sick people." (from)

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. I’m not laughing at all, I’m just joking, but in the photo there is a fairly common electric guitar of the Colombian master in the production of musical instruments, Jose Paredes

[Oleg1263]

What a mess .. where are the pickups? Most likely, piezo is built into the bottom support for strings .. So-so idea, the sound will be bad.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. I don't understand electric guitars from the word "at all", but if the instrument is in demand, then the sound quality there is acceptable. By the way, they are being converted from the GDR MPi-KM.

[YOUR]

So they would have written that they had modernized the Vityaz PP, or a new PP. All improvements to the ergonomics and the Picatinny rail

[Kalmar]

Quote: YOUR

So they would have written that they had modernized the Vityaz PP, or a new PP. All improvements to the ergonomics and the Picatinny rail

In truth, it is difficult to call it modernization either. Athletes put similar body kits on their Saigi-9 at home.

[beeper]

Is everything written correctly by the PPK-20 weight ??!
Something is wrong here!
It's very big "Weight-3,65 kg" for 9 mm PP with only 30 pistol cartridges!
The recoil and parameters of an even more powerful cartridge, such as 9x21 mm, quite allows the PP to be made much lighter and smaller in size than this one!
IMHO

[acetophenone]

It turned out PPP. And why was the garden to fence?

[Piramidon]

Quote: acetophenon

It turned out PPP. And why was the garden to fence?

Only because of the caliber. Cartridges for TT apparently are no longer produced. By the way, PPS-42/43 was very easy to manufacture. Available to the student of FZU. All these modern pribluda would have come to him ...

[hhurik]

In fact, they do, there is a niche in the civilian market. The bottom line is: who needs submachine guns in general? Army men? They hastily abandoned them after the Second World War, choosing a shooter more powerful and more versatile. Ministry of Internal Affairs? They are confronted by criminals armed with machine guns. There is absolutely no point in deliberately putting the employees in a losing position, especially in terms of mass and dimensional indicators, there is no gain, but there will be problems with logistics, storage and training.
There remains a narrow niche of all sorts of "special", "basic" and other names, which, due to their specifics, require something similar. The circle of these users is narrow, therefore they drive all kinds of bullshit.

[Obliterator]

Quote: hhurik

Ministry of Internal Affairs? They are confronted by criminals armed with machine guns. There is absolutely no point in deliberately putting the employees in a losing position, especially in terms of mass and dimensional indicators, there is no gain, but there will be problems with logistics, storage and training.

The criminals do not have machine guns, if they are not some forest brothers from the Caucasus. Machine guns appear mainly when dozens of them are scooped out by FSB officers from the arsenals of underground gunsmiths. And so the times when they were shooting are mostly gone. PP, on the whole, more meet the requirements of the daily police service, and for extreme machines, machine guns, machine guns and sniper rifles in the weapons of the ROVD are already available. And even more in the units of the Russian Guard.

[hhurik]

Googling for fun the GIAC data on the number of lost / stolen army weapons - there are numbers with many zeros, all this is in the hands of the population. As related to the air police, I remember very well the transfer to Grozny, which included the purchase of barrels to choose from, escorting bypassing the special control to the aircraft and loading luggage (domestic flights were not inspected upon arrival). Took part in the inspection of a railway container full of contraband Ingram PP and the fashionable at that time Remington pump guns with replaceable, including rifled barrels. Well, the Baltic route and gifts from overseas navigation are generally classics, there was also a Georgian theme, until they covered it up. Now there is a leaky border with 404 with a mass of unaccounted riflemen from the front line.
By the end of the 90s, the black market had become so saturated that among certain circles, it was almost like a domestic car to have domestic weapons. And at the beginning of 00, in connection with the general pacification, the need to resolve issues by means of weapons disappeared. But the weapon itself remains in hand, and the machines are the cheapest price category.
And it will pop up (pop up) at the slightest confusion, as the trophies of the Second World War emerged en masse in the late 80s. Because it’s a matter of everyday life, it’s just a tool for solving emerging issues.
So the statement: "The FSB caught everyone" is funny, no more. In case of turmoil (and I'm not sure that the current rulers will be able to slip between the trickles), dashing people with machine guns and submachine guns will attack the policemen with pestles and PPs. And this is wrong - the sovereign must use a priori a more powerful weapon than the adversary.

[Obliterator]

Quote: hhurik

that among certain circles, having domestic weapons was a trap, almost like a domestic car.

Certain circles, of course. Only not every crook has access to these circles. Army firearms do not have a wide circulation, otherwise they would be withdrawn much more than they are now.

Quote: hhurik

Because it’s a matter of everyday life, it’s just a tool for solving emerging issues.

In the affairs of everyday life, fists, knives, guns are the main thing. Army weapons are a sheer minuscule, on the verge of error.

Quote: hhurik

In the event of a mess (and I'm not sure that the current rulers will be able to slip between the trickles), dashing people with machine guns and submachine guns will attack the policemen with pistils and PPs.

In case of a mess, these policemen will not be helped by the minigun. The policemen are now minuscule, and even then about a third are women.

[hhurik]

Do you seriously associate the statistics of seizures of illegal trunks with their presence? For former specific boys - now decent pot-bellied merchants and those who have joined them - all this lies in the caches, because there is no need. While. How the shooting lay for the veterans of the Second World War for decades, and then surfaced en masse when the need arose in the 80s. It’s a paradox: in the early 80s, the seizure of firearms was an event, in the end it was a daily routine, and the population was the same.
".. The situation around the loss of weapons is similar - according to some sources, about 180 thousand weapons were lost from the law enforcement agencies, civilians lost 70 thousand less weapons (old data). About 23 thousand machine guns, 26 thousand pistols, 2 thousand machine guns, 2,5 thousand grenade launchers, 71 portable rocket launchers. "
https://butina.livejournal.com/85955.html
Not a bad error - and this is only our own weapons accounted for in bases and records in Russia, the main flow was from Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, now Ukraine, they are generally beyond any criminality.
So all the tendencies of replacing l / s weapons with something more fashionable, glamorous and ineffective are not of great intelligence, the obvious influence of cinema and the general tolerance of mores.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

The garden is not fenced off because of the cartridge, all over the world, army PPs are trying to be produced on the basis of standard army rifles, this simplifies the training of fighters. We have not been producing cartridges 7,62x25 for a long time, in the 90s the last line for the production of these cartridges was cut into scrap at plant No. 38 in Yuryuzan, now there are two types of Russian-made cartridges on sale: Tekhkrim cartridges made by reloading recycled , and cartridges "Fortune" from Chinese components. PPS, although a fairly simple weapon, is inaccessible to an ordinary student of FZU, since without a powerful press and press forms you cannot grind it with a file, like TT ... And "modern pribludy" is it like that?

In the photo, the truth is Finnish M44.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

On the "Veresk" SR-2, in order to achieve such a weight of the structure, it was necessary to install a lightweight butterfly valve with exhaust gases, if the PPK-20, without changing the design, is chambered for 9x21 mm, then it will weigh even more, and the development of a new model is always risk. And the weight of 3,65 kg is indicated with a loaded magazine, a silencer and a sight.

[yfast]

Whatever weapons they make, they still get a Kalash. As in a joke.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

You just need to, as in the same anecdote "after assembly, process with a file"