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Pensions in October: a revolution, but not for everyone

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This is not Indian summer



If August in Russia is customary to wait with caution, then autumn - with sadness. Our branches of government, at least two out of three, legislative and executive, regularly try to make autumn a time of hope for retirees. But it usually turns out like Chernomyrdin's - that is, as always.

Starting this article, I planned to describe in sufficient detail what real amounts should be counted upon after the October pension innovations are adopted. I counted at least six of them, but now it seems that I will have to give up the details.

But only because the other day it was proposed to abandon something else - from the funded part of pensions. Moreover, it was proposed not by anyone, but by the trade unions, which almost immediately baffled me. I made out my savings thousands a long time ago, and a very unpleasant aftertaste remained from those times. As they say, I got it - and be quiet.

I’m not going to blame the trade unions for being ready to bend again. But the real benefit from the primitive abolition of long-term savings can only be gained by future generations of pensioners: it just takes time to save something voluntarily. And the decision is imposed on those who are left without the funded part right now.

However, how can you be left without something that already does not exist? In fact, money has not been paid for the funded part of the pension for almost six years. All 22% go to the formation of the insurance part of pensions. It is proposed to transfer the cumulative part to a voluntary-compulsory form, which we have already written about ("Pensions after the reform: what other guarantees?").

It seems that they are going to simply forget about the same that was accumulated earlier. But for those who once had a good "white" salary, the loss of the funded part turned out to be very sensitive: they were simply equated with those who never had good earnings, or they received almost everything they earned in envelopes.

The desire to simplify the system of calculating pension savings and make it more transparent and understandable is understandable, but people know too well which road is dotted with good intentions. It is characteristic that the trade unions have come up with an initiative to abandon the compulsory accumulation, and the Minister of Finance, who even in our country is listed as "Mr. No", objects to them.

You can't argue with Anton Siluanov: people really need to first "create opportunities so that they accumulate for their retirement and have a minimum reduction in their income after retirement." But is it worth turning the cancellation of the funded part into a primitive weaning of what was once honestly earned?


It's just autumn


Well, now about six big changes, which, by all indications, can really affect only a select few of those who have left and are leaving for a well-deserved rest. "Honored" wrote not out of habit and not by tradition, but because for millions of our working people the biased media still managed to hammer into their heads the thesis that more than 40 Russian pensioners are nothing more than their freeloaders.

After all, it was under this dressing that the officials and the press, mainly the central TV channels, presented to the general public the big pension reform, which, in my opinion, was successfully failed. They also tried to substantiate the key provision of the reform - raising the retirement age.

It seems that nothing will help to cancel the pension reform, which, even if implemented at 100%, will remain a failure. Even when a successor settles in the Kremlin, and this will still happen, since the guarantor is not eternal, no one will cancel anything. The continuity of power does not imply that.

So, I easily found the upcoming pension changes on the website of the State Duma, where everything is published, up to the program of the autumn session. And the first, perhaps even a little bit encouraging, I would call the attempt to return the indexation of pensions to working pensioners.

Pensions in October: a revolution, but not for everyone

Even the authorities have to admit that working pensioners are not to blame for the fact that they work. My very old and very good friend recently celebrated his 85th birthday. He works in one of those industries that functioned well during quarantine, but I will not specify so that he would not be fired.

However, dismissing him is actually more expensive for himself: this man is something like a walking encyclopedia. Only he remembers what was once done at almost all objects of the huge industry, mainly in the CIS and Baltic countries. Only he (it so happened, since everyone who is younger has long fled in all directions) and is able to figure out what they have done there over the years after the collapse of the USSR.

But this patriarch, with a good salary, is really offended because his pension, not the smallest, has not been indexed for four years. He never counted on Luzhkov-Sobyanin compensation, but he still expected an honest calculation from the Pension Fund. Now it seems to have waited.

Let me remind you that indexation was "frozen" not so long ago - in 2016, referring to the budget deficit of the Pension Fund. Since then, they have cranked up the reform, but the deficit has not yet been eliminated. But ... What is the general fault of working pensioners who, by the way, continuing to work, continue to deduct something to the same Pension Fund?

Is it possible that if all of them are squeezed out into retirement, funds will immediately be added to the Pension Fund, and they will already be enough for indexation? As Little Johnny said from anecdotes that have long become political: where is logic, where is reason?

After all, indexation for non-working pensioners seems to be carried out annually by the amount of inflation in the country. And it seems that the insurance pension after indexation increases by about one thousand rubles.

Why "like"? Because I personally haven't noticed any annual thousand in my accounts. There were pennies, once even 553 rubles 78 kopecks came out, but I will not confirm anything with documents, so as not to frighten my provincial comrades in misfortune. They, as a rule, did not see this either.

But it's not about pennies after all. Thanks to our parliamentarians already for the fact that they want to finally cancel all restrictions for employed pensioners and index their pensions, taking into account all the missed indexations.

And they are even ready to take into account the amount of the fixed part of the pension. At the moment, it is equal to 5686 rubles and 25 kopecks. And one more thing: the deputies will definitely not forget the cost of the retirement point this year - as much as 93 rubles. Recalculate your points urgently, comrades.


Two to six


I remembered the points for a reason, because they are discussed in the second October legislative initiative concerning pensions. In order to receive an insurance pension, you must have a sufficient number of pension points.

Legislators not so long ago adopted a standard of 30 pension points, but they needed very high salaries, which the majority in Russia did not even see. Now it is proposed to reduce the minimum number of points required for calculating an insurance pension. Reduce it by half at once - up to 15 points.

I will leave this without comment, since 15 points is almost one and a half thousand rubles. However, we, after all, campaigning for the reform, and the annual increase of a thousand rubles, which is somehow not visible, was presented as the greatest blessing.

About the third innovation. The deputies want to make one more pleasant surprise to those pensioners who care for the disabled of the 50st group. They seem to be able to actually retire at 55 years old if they are women, and at XNUMX years old if they are men.

But this is possible only if men have 20 years of work experience, and women have 15 years of work experience. And the last thing, with many years of caring for seriously ill patients, is a rather serious problem.

But whether the deputies will remember at the same time the extremely complex mechanisms for paying penny care allowances, I cannot say yet. One can only hope for this, as well as hope that the very topic of retirement before the new deadlines, which the reform so ruthlessly pushed, will remain relevant for legislators for years to come.

Innovation number four shows that the Russian parliament did not forget about the veterans of military operations who officially took part in military clashes on the territory of the USSR, the Russian Federation and other states. And they must, by law, retire early.

But we are talking here only about veterans who went into the reserve or resigned when their terms of service on conscription or contract expired. And besides, they are entitled to an insurance retirement pension. For women, the retirement age is fifty-five, for men it is sixty. As it was before for everyone.

The military pensioners who took part in the hostilities, who were once and for some reason established not with an increasing but a decreasing coefficient, have not been forgotten either. Mockingly accurate - 0,7368. Downward for what? Because he fought, and could go there for three years? Here is the fifth parliamentary innovation.

And the last, sixth update of the pension laws - the deputies are ready to include the time of service in the army in the length of service. I must also say: finally. Men with extensive work experience, from 42 years old, will be able to advance, two years earlier, and if they served in navy, then, probably, and three, to retire. I think from them - just thanks, without reservations.
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  1. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 15
    18
    All these "good wishes from the Power" have one drawback wassat laughing Nobody believes the authorities anymore !!! am

    I (as one NOT a respected citizen of the Russian Federation promised me - "WHAT while I am the PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation - the retirement age is NOT !!! Increase !!!) for the last 15 years I have worked only and exclusively in white ... I received my 100.000 rubles a month and dreamed , how in my 60 years I will go on a trip around the world on a motorcycle ... "to show myself, see the world" good

    ... how naive I was crying

    I don’t expect to live up to 65 years even in "erotic dreams" ... but after my company went bankrupt this summer because of the crown ... and I still cannot find a "white salary" of at least 75.000 rubles per month...

    "Trust in God - but don't do it yourself!" (c) Russian folk proverb

    Now I myself will determine for myself both the age of retirement (albeit in 5 years) and the fact that I am NO ROOTS anymore !!! I will bring to the Song Fund of the Russian Federation !!!

    From now on ... Putin is on his own ... and I'm on my own !!! good Let him look for suckers ... and I ... somehow ... I will provide myself !!! )))
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 October 2020 15: 23
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Corona without virus
      and the fact that I am NO ROOTS anymore !!!

      And then you leaped ahead of everyone: when all normal people donate rubles to the Pension Fund, you turn out to be paying them with loins! Maybe you are a millionaire Korean and you have your own currency? belay
      Then why do you need a salary of 75 thousand rubles? yes
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 25
        10
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: Corona without virus
        and the fact that I am NO ROOTS anymore !!!

        And then you leaped ahead of everyone: when all normal people deduct Rubles to the Pension Fund, you turn out to be paying them with loins! Maybe you are a millionaire Koreikin and you have your own currency? belay

        Freudian slip!!! laughing laughing laughing
        You're right!!! I will not deal with scammers anymore !!! good
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 2 October 2020 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Corona without virus
          I will not deal with scammers anymore !!!

          As long as there are suckers, there will be scammers! So don't dream! yes
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 37
            +3
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: Corona without virus
            I will not deal with scammers anymore !!!

            As long as there are suckers, there will be scammers! So don't dream! yes

            With all honest people, I say - I'm NOT a BAD anymore !!! good tongue
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 2 October 2020 15: 39
              +5
              Quote: Corona without virus
              With all honest people, I say - I'm NOT a BAD anymore !!!

              We will talk about this when you are laid off again. yes
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 44
                -8
                Quote: SRC P-15
                Quote: Corona without virus
                With all honest people, I say - I'm NOT a BAD anymore !!!

                We will talk about this when you are laid off again. yes

                Let now they reduce at least every month !!! wassat less than 300.000 rubles a month in black, I will not get a job now ... tongue
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 2 October 2020 15: 47
                  +8
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  Let now they reduce at least every month !!! less than 300.000 rubles a month in black, I will not get a job now ...

                  Good luck to the "project manager"! yes
                  And I, as a pensioner, will have to rejoice at what I have! This month, for some reason, 1200 rubles were added to the pension. What is it for? I’m afraid they’ll subtract 2000 next! yes
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 56
                    -7
                    Quote: SRC P-15
                    Quote: Corona without virus
                    Let now they reduce at least every month !!! less than 300.000 rubles a month in black, I will not get a job now ...

                    Good luck to the "project manager"! yes
                    And I, as a pensioner, will have to rejoice at what I have! This month, for some reason, 1200 rubles were added to the pension. What is it for? I’m afraid they’ll subtract 2000 next! yes

                    For you, as a pensioner who is "chic", including my 10+ million rubles, which I ALREADY contributed to the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, it is "sinful" to complain about the "handouts" of the Power winked wink laughing
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 2 October 2020 16: 03
                      +4
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      For you, as a pensioner who is "chic", including my 10+ million rubles, which I ALREADY contributed to the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, it is "sinful" to complain about the "handouts" of the Power

                      My year from the funded pension has long been excluded, so there was not a large amount of money, I don't even remember how much. But your 10 million, I think, will be enough for me for a long time! laughing I would live ... sad
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 05
                        -2
                        Quote: SRC P-15
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        For you, as a pensioner who is "chic", including my 10+ million rubles, which I ALREADY contributed to the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, it is "sinful" to complain about the "handouts" of the Power

                        My year from the funded pension has long been excluded, so there was not a large amount of money, I don't even remember how much. But your 10 million, I think, will be enough for me for a long time! laughing

                        At least that's enough for you !!! drinks

                        You just make sure that out of 10+ million of my pension contributions, officials do not spend 9 million on what to control, so that even a penny would reach you !!! bully
                    2. nnm
                      nnm 2 October 2020 16: 41
                      +4
                      For what period have they contributed 10+ million, can you tell me?))
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 45
                        -3
                        Quote: nnm
                        For what period have they contributed 10+ million, can you tell me?))

                        Over the last 15 years)))
                      2. ANB
                        ANB 3 October 2020 11: 24
                        +1
                        For 15 years, with a salary of 100 and a rate of 000%, the FIU received 22 from you. 3+ million does not work.
                        In serious companies with a salary of project managers from 300 thousand, there are practically no not only black, but even gray salaries. I was looking specifically with sulfur, I did not find it. White everywhere.
              2. nnm
                nnm 2 October 2020 16: 38
                +9
                Who, for your sake, will spend money on laundering such amounts. It is simply not economically beneficial for the employer. A specialist who really has such value does not run around with similar messages on sites, but has a job, and if he wants to change it, he does it quietly and without noise.
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 47
                  -8
                  Quote: nnm
                  Who, for your sake, will spend money on laundering such amounts. It is simply not economically beneficial for the employer. A specialist who really has such value does not run around with similar messages on sites, but has a job, and if he wants to change it, he does it quietly and without noise.

                  and I no longer run on sites wassat I am considering offers from 300 to 500 sput in rubles per month in black ... I hope in a month I will get a job)))
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 2 October 2020 17: 18
                    +6
                    Lord, write not thousand rubles any more, but the same figures, but already thousand dollars. Believe me, it doesn't touch me at all. Consider proposals, you can even color them)))
                    Absolutely not shocked either by these amounts or by anything else.
            2. nnm
              nnm 2 October 2020 16: 36
              +5
              Yes, I like it too - that's it, but I won't pay the state anything anymore, but I'm so cool ...
              Like, the employer will ask someone! Or you turn your individual entrepreneur or LLC into a trash heap of tax evasion ...
              Well, only shabashniki with one-time work can carry out such a threat. The rest will not even ask.
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 48
                -4
                Quote: nnm
                Yes, I like it too - that's it, but I won't pay the state anything anymore, but I'm so cool ...
                Like, the employer will ask someone! Or you turn your individual entrepreneur or LLC into a trash heap of tax evasion ...
                Well, only shabashniki with one-time work can carry out such a threat. The rest will not even ask.

                do you really live in Russia? )))
            3. mark2
              mark2 2 October 2020 17: 00
              +5
              Yes, it's already abbreviated. Therefore, he writes here about inconvenience and 300 thousand for the project management
              1. nnm
                nnm 2 October 2020 17: 16
                10
                Well, the average price of a project manager in Moscow is 150-200 thousand.
                The specialty, in my opinion, is absolutely useless and needed only in offices with a loose control system. Well, or where they like newfangled toys. As a result, I think, it is simply becoming obsolete.
                But that is.
                It's just that the owner himself is not profitable by substituting himself to launder such amounts. Tax control is getting stricter, and it is simply ridiculous to expose your business and your head for the sake of a profession that does not define anything in essence.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 3 October 2020 22: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: nnm
                  The specialty, in my opinion, is absolutely useless and necessary only in offices with a loose control system

                  Simply removed from the language, I would also add that "... introducing additional difficulties in the communication of the customer with the direct executor of the project."
        2. pin_code
          pin_code 5 October 2020 08: 15
          0
          I, of course, terribly apologize for getting into your conversation ... but ... do you agree that the state is a swindler, and keeps citizens for suckers ???
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 2 October 2020 15: 25
    21
    All these "good wishes from the Power" have one drawback wassat laughing Nobody believes in the Power !!!

    All good intentions are broken about the United Russia .. The President's party, so to speak ..
    These intentions have now become more often expressed as the boiler is boiling and something needs to be done .. But let's look at real deeds, not intentions .. here is what the retirement age was pushed back is a real deed, which was very quickly implemented, otherwise that they promised that pensions would be under 30 tons is a lie .. In other words, the authorities are always lying and asks to treat this with understanding ..
    And those who are sympathetic still exist ... wassat
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      All these "good wishes from the Power" have one drawback wassat laughing Nobody believes in the Power !!!

      All good intentions are broken about the United Russia .. The President's party, so to speak ..
      These intentions have now begun to be expressed more often, the boiler is boiling and something needs to be done .. But let's look at real deeds, not intentions .. here is what the retirement age has been pushed back is a real thing, which was very quickly implemented, otherwise, that they promised that pensions would be under 30 tons is a lie .. In other words, the government always lies and asks to treat this with understanding ..
      And those who are sympathetic still exist ... wassat

      And what if I was 1 day late in payments for a communal apartment - they immediately start charging me a penalty ?! am
      And they delayed my retirement by 5 years - and I "must treat with understanding" ?! wassat but a figurine to them !!!! good
    2. ANB
      ANB 3 October 2020 11: 27
      0
      ... pensions, however, will be under 30 tons - that's a lie.

      I have a pension of 25t. This, of course, is less than 30 tons, but somehow it is not strong and they were lying. Or do you mean the minimum? If so, then you are right, of course.
  3. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 15: 35
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    Quote: Corona without virus
    I still cannot find a "white salary" of at least 75.000 rubles a month ...

    At least? The modal salary in the Russian Federation, that is, the one for which the most vacancies are available, is in the region of 25-30.000, the median is approximately 34.000. Average 46 like. Those. you want to find not at least 75.000, a whole 75.000. At least it will be 35. And even then .... The employer will submit such a bunch of requests that reading you will understand how poorly you meet the demands of the labor market yes
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 15: 41
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I still cannot find a "white salary" of at least 75.000 rubles a month ...

      At least? The modal salary in the Russian Federation, that is, the one for which the most vacancies are available, is in the region of 25-30.000, the median is approximately 34.000. Average 46 like. Those. you want to find not at least 75.000, a whole 75.000. At least it will be 35. And even then .... The employer will submit such a bunch of requests that reading you will understand how poorly you meet the demands of the labor market yes

      Now, if not !!! I was a patriot of Russia ... 15 years ago I would have moved to the United States and got a job on a salary of 100.000 a month ... only not wooden, but evergreen ... as time has shown - I was a naive Chukchi youth ... crying but!!! I hope ... that "there will be a holiday on our street" ... repeat that the people will finally change their "servants of the people" ... and we will heal !!! how people !!! drinks
      1. ved_med12
        ved_med12 2 October 2020 16: 18
        +7
        Thank you, young man! laughed heartily! As if I watched Petrosyan on TV!
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 20
          -6
          Quote: ved_med12
          Thank you, young man! laugh heartily

          Actually, I'm 51 years old ... repeat
          But for a compliment - grand merci !!! drinks
        2. nnm
          nnm 2 October 2020 16: 51
          +5
          The same story ... already read it ...
          For some reason, the words about a fruitful opening idea and how Lasker smokes rivals with cheap cigars came to mind ...
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 58
            -5
            Quote: nnm
            The same story ... already read it ...
            For some reason, the words about a fruitful opening idea and how Lasker smokes rivals with cheap cigars came to mind ...

            Specify !!! about history ... did not understand ... drinks
        3. pin_code
          pin_code 5 October 2020 08: 20
          0
          the one who laughs the last laughs ... but here there can be sooo different options ...
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 16: 55
        +8
        Quote: Corona without virus
        but!!! I hope ... that "a holiday will come on our street" ... that the people will finally change "the servants of the people

        Well, judging by the reaction of the servants of the people and the media, working for the servants of the people, to what is happening a little west of Smolensk ... Anyone who does not agree with the position of the main servant, that 17.000 for the nose is quite enough for the people, will be considered not as a people, but as an enemy of the people ... And let the enemies of the people be 99% of the people, our servants will not refuse to provide services under any sauce. Rather, the owners will be shot, but they will remain in service. Somehow such an impression is being formed lately.
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 17: 00
          -1
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Corona without virus
          but!!! I hope ... that "a holiday will come on our street" ... that the people will finally change "the servants of the people

          Well, judging by the reaction of the servants of the people and the media, working for the servants of the people, to what is happening a little west of Smolensk ... Anyone who does not agree with the position of the main servant, that 17.000 for the nose is quite enough for the people, will be considered not as a people, but as an enemy of the people ... And let the enemies of the people be 99% of the people, our servants will not refuse to provide services under any sauce. Rather, the owners will be shot, but they will remain in service. Somehow such an impression is being formed lately.

          Well, until 2024 is almost a stone's throw ... and then we'll see ... wink
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 3 October 2020 04: 58
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Anyone who does not agree with the position of the main servant that 17.000 per nose is quite enough for the people will be considered not as a people, but as an enemy of the people.
          If this is the so-called "guaranteed income", then at this point in time I agree. Despite the fact that my salary is now several times higher.
          ... you just need to understand that guaranteed income should be paid to everyone: the unemployed, the employed, and the millionaire.
        3. pin_code
          pin_code 5 October 2020 08: 22
          0
          judging by the minuses, there are still many "friends of the people" (well, or bots of friends of the people). the main thing is not to hang your nose and believe in the FUTURE.
      3. mark2
        mark2 2 October 2020 17: 05
        -3
        that the people will finally change "servants of the people

        Whose people?


        and we will heal !!! how people

        Who are these "WE"? And why should people change, but you should live like people?
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 17: 14
          -2
          Quote: mark2
          that the people will finally change "servants of the people

          Whose people?


          and we will heal !!! how people

          Who are these "WE"? And why should people change, but you should live like people?

          "WE" are the citizens of Russia !!! good

          By the way, will you EXACTLY retire for work at 65? and not at 70 - for a social pension? Have you already checked with your lawyers? bully
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 3 October 2020 05: 01
            -1
            Quote: Corona without virus
            By the way, will you EXACTLY retire for work at 65? and not at 70 - for a social pension?
            I'm in my 40s and, from experience, without lawyers, I'm not sure that:
            1 - I will live to see retirement,
            2 - I will retire at 65,
            3 - the pension will be sufficient for life survival.
            And considering that the son is not two years old ... everything is completely sour ...
            1. pin_code
              pin_code 5 October 2020 08: 25
              0
              keep your chin up! there will be time, there will be food, if only there was no war (civil).
      4. ANB
        ANB 3 October 2020 11: 30
        0
        ... still 15 years ago I would have moved to the United States and got a job on a salary of 100.000 a month ... only not wooden, but evergreen ...

        Wow, do you have such cool cronies and US citizenship? Then and now it's not too late to go.
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      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 2 October 2020 16: 56
        +7
        Quote: nnm
        In 2019, it was, if memory does not fail - 48000 rubles.

        Leads. And strong. 34.5 last year median. In this .... No options less.
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        2. nnm
          nnm 2 October 2020 17: 08
          +1
          Yes, the memory failed. The average salary resulted.
  4. Rubi0
    Rubi0 2 October 2020 16: 39
    -14 qualifying.
    The correct decision, the state pension should have been canceled 30 years ago immediately after the collapse, then people would not have their castles in the air collapsed, in 30 years it would have been possible to buy land, summer cottages, real estate, gold to grow fat for retirement
    1. mark2
      mark2 2 October 2020 17: 06
      10
      Or die without fitting into the market
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 2 October 2020 20: 12
        -5
        Well, so you will not fit into the market in 30 years when you are over 65 with a bunch of sores, and then do not kick at the state, the solidarity pension system is a pyramid, if the number of participants does not grow hyperbole, then it falls and all participants are poor. Your well-being depends only on you, investors are not sitting in a pension fund to at least keep your investments and cover inflation
    2. pin_code
      pin_code 5 October 2020 08: 30
      0
      for all ordinary hard workers there are not enough officials, thieves and bribe-takers to buy something. The latter do not carry everything with them, like their children. you need to introduce a law, went to a nightclub, take everything with you, so that it would be easier for the common people ... in one word, nonhumans ...
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 5 October 2020 11: 34
        0
        There seems to be no shortage of Far Eastern hectares, have you already received it or do you think it is hopeless? Did you calculate its cost after 30 years? Maybe you thought about what kind of business? Yes, even if the Chinese let the forest be cut down and get your money, I don't think you even thought about it because it's all complicated and in your understanding, money can only be received from an accountant in the window or pockets in nightclubs
        1. pin_code
          pin_code 21 October 2020 06: 57
          0
          I consider it the height of hypocrisy to charge the same Persia to a person who has worked all his adult life, and with a good salary and people who have never worked at all or with little work experience are the same. Or in the pfr they take bribes and change the crusts from work books. or I don’t understand something in justice. but about the FAR EASTERN hectares ... they will not grow in price ... but I won’t let the Chinese cut down the forest .. I don’t feel sorry for the Chinese at all, I feel sorry for the nature of the Motherland. if you only have everything boils down only to dough, I am sorry that such short-lived people live in my country, but no one has received a salary in the accountant's window for a long time. Of course, I don't know where you live, maybe in your country they still pay on invoices of completed answers.
        2. pin_code
          pin_code 21 October 2020 07: 09
          0
          and in general ... I don’t If I’m the courteous daughter of a millionaire, to invest in what the hell knows where, like 99,99% of Russian citizens. because most people don’t have the means AT ALL. and I don’t need to sing about that do not want to work, lazy and so on. the whole song is about the most important thing, the fish rots ... and not from the tail. give people a chel, an idea. but not sh..ya..g.y. no goal, no development of the country.
  5. 72jora72
    72jora72 3 October 2020 05: 56
    0
    For 15 years I worked only and exclusively in white ... I received my 100.000 rubles. a month and dreamed
    As far as I remember, before that you voiced 150 thousand ...
  6. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 3 October 2020 09: 36
    0
    Quote: Corona without virus
    I dreamed that in my 60s I would go on a trip around the world on a motorcycle ... "to show myself, see the world"

    such things are done in 20 years.
    then you can only watch if you're lucky. hi
  7. Andrey591
    Andrey591 3 October 2020 17: 37
    0
    "NO KOREYS !!! I will bring in the Song Fund of the Russian Federation !!!" The fact is that the retirement experience comes with the payment of pension contributions, and the contributions now initially go to the tax ...
  8. businessv
    businessv 3 October 2020 22: 14
    +1
    Quote: Corona without virus
    From now on ... Putin is on his own ... and I'm on my own !!! Let him look for suckers ... and I ... somehow ... I will provide myself !!! ))

    The conversation is not a boy, but a husband! Bravo! hi
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 2 October 2020 15: 15
    11
    There will be enough for macaroshki and our government has become indifferent and boorish to its citizens such a feeling that they are diligently reducing the quality of life to reduce the population
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 2 October 2020 16: 00
      15
      For a long time such a feeling was formed. And officials have such an attitude towards pensioners in general, they (pensioners) would have died faster there, these freeloaders ... A pensioner with a cart - it is easier for the state.

      "We have no poor pensioners"
      Who said: when he was the head of the Ministry of Labor Maxim Topilin
      "If you want, 90% of retirees go to the hospital to take a break from household chores and eat for free, saving on groceries. This is also called parasite. And for this we have to spend millions of budget funds?"
      Who said: Deputy Minister of Health of the Perm Territory Mikhail Maltsev
      "Only parasites and drunks receive small pensions."
      Who said: Deputy of the Volgograd Regional Duma Hasan Nabiev
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 2 October 2020 16: 06
        14
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        "Only parasites and drunks receive small pensions."
        Who said: Deputy of the Volgograd Regional Duma Hasan Nabiev

        It would be nice, after such words, to check the data of the "comrades" for the correspondence of their incomes and expenses .. After that, send them to cut down the forest .. without the opportunity to occupy leadership positions and in five years to interview how he came to such a life ..
        Such statements can be made by officials who have believed in their own immunity .. It's even difficult to imagine what would have happened to these, if they had said that under Stalin ..
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 4 October 2020 14: 31
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          It would be nice, after such words, to check the data of the "comrades" for the consistency of their income and expenses.

          Will Colonel Zakharchenko check it out? Others are not being held ...
    2. mark2
      mark2 2 October 2020 17: 07
      0
      What citizens are, so is the government.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 2 October 2020 15: 25
    -20 qualifying.
    Liberals and bulkheads who will come to the comments to cry about pensions: do not tweet. Daughter as a liberal Tit. angry

    1. Overlock
      Overlock 2 October 2020 17: 37
      12
      Quote: pereselenec
      Daughter like a liberal Tit. angry

      wait for the pitchfork in the bochin. the guards won't help
      1. pereselenec
        pereselenec 2 October 2020 17: 39
        -16 qualifying.
        Quote: Overlock
        wait for the pitchfork in the bochin.

        Are you an aggressive liberal?
        Quote: Overlock
        the guards won't help

        I am not a cardinal, I have no guards :)
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 2 October 2020 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: pereselenec
          Are you an aggressive liberal?

          evil realist
          Quote: pereselenec
          I am not a cardinal, I have no guards :)

          not hitting the passport, but the face
    2. Deck
      Deck 2 October 2020 17: 51
      -1
      In the beautiful Russia of the future, people like you will be subjected to lustration and, by the verdict of the court, sent for re-education, where in a comfortable barrack behind barbed wire you will learn by heart the quotes of A.A. Navalny
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 3 October 2020 05: 05
      -3
      Quote: pereselenec
      Liberals and bulkheads who will come to the comments to cry about pensions: do not tweet. Daughter as Liberal Tit
      So he went over to the person and made a statement. Himself to blame.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 2 October 2020 15: 27
    +4
    ..the indexation was "frozen" not so long ago - in 2016, referring to the budget deficit of the Pension Fund.

    What is the deficit? That is, there are funds for the construction of 12-storey PFR offices made of glass and marble, but otherwise there is a shortage ...
    As you start reading about retirement, you ruin your mood ...
  • aglet
    aglet 2 October 2020 15: 30
    +4
    how to make a person feel good quickly and at no cost? you need to make him feel bad, and then return to its original state. and he, right there, will feel good
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 2 October 2020 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: aglet
      how to make a person feel good quickly and at no cost? you need to make him feel bad, and then return to its original state. and he, right there, will feel good

      so only beginner tweezers do. the pros will return half and furnish it so that they only stole the tithe! (like about galoshes and classic tomato paste already!)
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 2 October 2020 15: 33
    +4
    By their actions and laws, the authorities seem to be deliberately pushing the population towards an armed rebellion ... no sense of self-preservation, money and permissiveness have eclipsed their minds ...
  • d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 2 October 2020 15: 35
    +4
    under the Union, the service life was included in the seniority, when it was interesting to cancel ??? to re-deposit
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 2 October 2020 16: 37
      +4
      I retired in 2015. The term of service entered into both the retirement and the veteran's.
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 2 October 2020 16: 42
        +2
        Apparently, you have a long service, and I am a private in the reserve and the news seems to be about the fact that the length of service in compulsory service is again taken into account when calculating the length of service
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 2 October 2020 17: 16
          +1
          I have an old age civil pension. At 60 he left. He did not complete his military pension for two years. The family had to be fed and the children went to college. And I have no regrets. In civilian life, the salary was many times higher than in the Army.
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 2 October 2020 17: 20
            +1
            Thank you for the clarification
    2. nnm
      nnm 2 October 2020 16: 54
      +1
      Yes. And now it enters. I think it is written this way because this restriction is valid only when calculating preferential seniority for retirement. Then it does not count. And so, in the general order, it goes into experience, and points are awarded.
      I reread the text, yes, from the mention of 42 years it is clear that it is about the preferential treatment.
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 2 October 2020 16: 55
        +1
        when serving in the CA the same ???
        1. nnm
          nnm 2 October 2020 16: 58
          0
          Yes. Moreover, even seniority in any army of the CIS. Only the Balts and Georgia dropped out (maybe Ukraine was also brought in. This is no longer in the know)
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 2 October 2020 17: 00
            +1
            oh how !!!! thanks for the consultation
            1. nnm
              nnm 2 October 2020 17: 08
              +2
              Yes, not at all.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 October 2020 15: 37
    +4
    Let's say they give an indexation of 1000 rubles. And I have already spent more over the past year. Indexation should be associated with the devaluation of the ruble. They say that the funded system originated from America. Say, the young man began to save in the bank from the beginning of his career. Ending retirement age, but that's good in America. They will accept your banknote even from the nineteenth century, and make an allowance for devaluation. We seem to have had one default, and the ruble went down, as if there were several.
  • apro
    apro 2 October 2020 15: 41
    -2
    Oh, this pension ... how many copies are broken ... how many languages ​​are worn out ... brains are so braided ... but for what? Yes, it's very simple ... to dump a spent asset for self-survival. Or simply take money away. Throw off the legacy of the bloody Bolsheviks. on the pocket. what kind of Russians who are not understanding they came to say that nothing should. they say there is no money and you hold on. to level pensions. to raise the age. the method of genocide. and just robbery. and agree with this. since there is no real force capable of protecting the interests of the population .population is not capable of self-organization and defending their interests. all these court parties. speak beautifully but do what the ruling class says.
    Whatever they talk about all the time they talk about money ... in my opinion amerovskaya proverb.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 2 October 2020 15: 42
    +1
    In Russia, another reason to add money to Chubais and Skolkovo to buy apartments in London and New York, and to the son of a worthless General Secretary ... cast in granite, to develop a chain of eateries in Fushington.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 2 October 2020 15: 48
    +3
    No matter what they write here, the shepherd will remain a shepherd, and the rams, sheep. And they will cut as much and when they want.
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    1. nnm
      nnm 2 October 2020 16: 29
      0
      The description sounds more like anarchy ...
      Whoever has more gun is right!))
  • nnm
    nnm 2 October 2020 16: 28
    0
    Now it is proposed to reduce the minimum number of points required for calculating an insurance pension. Reduce it by half at once - up to 15 points.

    Tatyana, I think that the minimum number of points is not so important as their cost and number per year.
    They may well give with one hand, and simply pick up with the other.
    But it is in these short stories that something like that seems to be not noticed.
    But there was already a desire to calculate what kind of civil pension I would receive)))
    Thank you for the interesting information.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 2 October 2020 19: 32
      -1
      What information is there ??? The article does not indicate anything whether these are bills or already prepared laws under the general Duma approval. request If these are only bills, but if it is also from the Duma "little things" - then all this is empty, you will panic the Duma elections soon, so ..... The article is not just crude, it is like OBS. No.
  • tolancop
    tolancop 2 October 2020 16: 46
    +4
    The author of the material raised the right issues. Generally. But there were also jambs.
    "... Military pensioners who took part in the hostilities have not been forgotten either, who were once and for some reason established not an increasing, but a decreasing coefficient. Mockingly accurate - 0,7368. Decreasing for what? For the fact that he fought, and could it go there in three years? Here's the fifth deputy innovation ... "
    The author should, IMHO, study the material deeper. The decreasing coefficient for calculating the pension applies not only to the soldiers who fought, but also to almost all the people with shoulder straps. The coefficient was introduced after a noticeable increase in salaries and was originally 0,55 and was supposed to increase by 0,03 annually. But it was caught up to 0,73 and the further rise was simply frozen. And the reduction factor did not affect everyone. As far as I remember, it did not concern military prosecutors, investigators and judges (it seems that the Motherland is protected best of all !!!).

    ".... And the last, the sixth update of the pension laws - the deputies are ready to include the time of service in the army in their seniority. I must also say: finally. Men with a long record of service, from 42 years, will be able to advance, two years earlier, and if he served in the navy, then, probably, for three, to retire. I think, from them - just thanks, without reservations .... "
    Low bow to the Deput for this. The only question is why it was canceled earlier. As far back as I can remember, the conscription term was included in the seniority, which was fair. But what kind of fright they canceled is a big question. I think, dig up our Duma, there are not so many serving ..., it will turn out that most of the fulfillment of the Constitutional duty at one time successfully cut ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 16: 55
    -1
    I can be accused here that, having got a job again, working in black, I will violate the Laws of the Russian Federation ... recourse

    So I responsibly declare, working in black, I will work only and exclusively according to the laws of the Russian Federation !!! good and I will be "white and fluffy" drinks

    ... The laws of the Russian Federation just need to know ... repeat love
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 2 October 2020 19: 56
      -1
      Quote: Crown without virus
      So I responsibly declare, working in black, I will work only and exclusively according to the laws of the Russian Federation !!! good and I will be "white and fluffy" drinks
      It seems that life has not taught you anything, then you will again tear your hair out, and wherever it grows. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN THE SHULER BY PLAYING HIS SEALED CARDS AND BY HIS RULES
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 2 October 2020 17: 21
    -1
    Well, soooo ... just in case ... for those who write their comments here ... drinks

    The pension reform that has taken place, it not only made retirement for men at 65, but for women at 60 ... there is a "devil in the details" bully

    Very much, if briefly - if at 65 (60) years you do not have the minimum official experience, then you will be able to retire only at 70 (65) years ... and to a social pension ... and not to labor ... Are you sure that you will have experience? hi

    So far, judging by the OFFICIAL data for 2020, from 15 to 20 million Russians "shine" only and exclusively a social pension of 70 (65) years
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 October 2020 17: 27
    +3
    By the way, about the anecdotes about Vovochka, their people made up how they felt ... laughing
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 2 October 2020 21: 17
    0
    Of course, I am still far from a pensioner. That is, I do not directly feel these changes on myself. Therefore, I ask you to take my opinion as purely polemical, without wanting to offend anyone.

    Don't you think, colleagues, that equal pensions for everyone would be an honest solution?

    Let's imagine that a person has worked for many years, for example, in a large company in medium-high positions and received about 200-500 thousand per month. He will have a high pension. Moreover, such a person most likely has good savings, real estate, and is not offended by life.
    This also includes approximately mid-high-ranking officials, judges, and so on.

    Now consider another case, that is, workers (different), teachers, doctors and other citizens, whose salaries are low.
    They will receive a small pension. And they often worked harder and harder than managers and bureaucrats, for example (as they say, talking is not tossing bags).
    That is, even so poor, hardworking people generally fall into poverty. They often have no savings.
    Simply due to the fact that their labor did not bring much profit, or it was saved on it.

    Further, there are people who received their salaries in envelopes. Many simply did not have the opportunity to get a job "in white", since it already depends on the employer. And the capitalist economy has no social orientation.
    At the same time, they also paid taxes. For example, VAT for all consumed goods and services, 20% from each purchase. Taxes on real estate, cars, etc.
    And all this from their salaries. To the budget. That is, despite the employer's smaller contributions to off-budget funds, this person still paid at least 20% of the income to the state.

    At the same time, there are scams with points, they can potentially be officially or semi-officially "bought". By paying everyone the same pension, you can eliminate untidiness at different levels.

    That is, in my opinion, you need to strive for maximum social justice. We are all equal as citizens, and even more so in retirement.
    How about a level playing field for everyone? Average option. So that everything is not one, and nothing else.
    Well, and postota administration of pension processes. Fewer officials, more transparency.
    1. ANB
      ANB 3 October 2020 11: 44
      +1
      ... Paying everyone the same pension

      There is a certain meaning in this idea. Moreover, in the USSR there was just something similar. Not a complete leveling, but seniority rather than salary influenced the size of the pension.
      But in the current reality this is impossible, since the PFR is actually a commercial organization, interested in collecting more money. That is, they are concerned about the transferred amount, not the length of service. So they put the size of the future pension in dependence on contributions.
  • TriA
    TriA 2 October 2020 22: 09
    12
    I'm not going to blame the unions for being ready to bend again

    And it should. What is the use of them if they do not decide anything, but only adjust to anti-popular "reforms"?
  • Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 3 October 2020 10: 56
    0
    Nothing changes:
  • Artunis
    Artunis 3 October 2020 11: 57
    0
    I just want to scream out loud FOR ......... LIIII! It's just that the mockery of people is consistent, purposeful, sophisticated and cynical! Well, how much can you change the rules of the game, almost every year endless pension reforms! After all, they will surely wait for the Belarusian scenario soon, well, have they really lost their sense of self-preservation there ?!
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 October 2020 11: 02
    -1
    it has long been considered that if you are not a state boss and not a deputy or a judge, it is much more profitable and safer to pay pension contributions at a minimum and deduct 5 percent of your income somewhere to your accounts. Even with exorbitant inflation, in the end you will get more than the PF promises. This is how the state takes care of us. And on the good, it is better to invest everything earned in your own business - no taxes and more a pillow for old age.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 6 October 2020 15: 31
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    All good intentions crash on EP

    This is not a party, this is Resident Evil.

    A hypocrite on a hypocrite.
    There is one man standing there, and that woman (Poklonskaya) who went against the pension genocide.

    Boyarsky's son (edinosos) broadcast live on the Tsargrad TV channel with a blue eye about how his voters were begging for an increase in the retirement age.

    Every decent person, when meeting with a member of this and other parties that supported the pension genocide, feels a feeling of deep disgust.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 8 October 2020 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      feels deeply disgusted

      There is such a daily prayer: "Save, Lord, and have mercy on our God-protected country, POWER (here I read it with the addition of the words DO NOT need ...) and her army, but let us live a quiet and silent life in all piety and purity."
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 8 October 2020 13: 01
    0
    It seems that they are going to simply forget about the same that was accumulated earlier.

    "To whom I owe, everyone - I forgive ..." (c)