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Collision with an unknown submarine named as a possible cause of the Estonia ferry crash

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There is a new version of the crash of the ferry "Estonia" that happened 26 years ago. At that time 852 people became victims of the disaster in the Baltic Sea.


On the night of 27-28 September 1994, the ferry "Estonia" followed from Tallinn to Stockholm. On board the ship were 803 passengers and 186 crew members - citizens of 17 countries of the world. The ferry went under water at 01:48, and at 02:12 the first ship that received the signal for help arrived at the scene - the ferry "Mariella". Only at 03:05 the first rescue helicopter arrived at the scene of the tragedy. In total, only 138 people were saved, one of whom later died in the hospital.

852 people were killed or missing, while only 94 bodies were found. Of the 852 victims of the disaster, more than half (501 people) were citizens of Sweden, another 285 people were citizens of Estonia. Interestingly, initially 8 names were added to the list of those saved, but then they disappeared from it. Nobody else saw these people. It is possible that they were eliminated in order to conceal information about the true causes of the tragedy.

At present, the ferry "Estonia" is protected by the law on the peace of the dead, diving to the place of the sinking of the ferry and any attempts to investigate the tragedy are prohibited on pain of criminal prosecution. This position of the Estonian, Swedish and Finnish authorities only fuels all kinds of conspiracy theories of the ferry crash, including the version that the ferry was involved in the transportation weaponsleft after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the Baltic states.


Memorial to the lost ferry in Tallinn, Estonia


However, recently the authors of the Discovery documentary “Estonia: a find that changes everything”, dedicated to the disaster 26 years ago, presented a new and very intriguing version of the causes of the tragedy. According to the filmmakers, a remote-controlled probe launched by them discovered a previously unknown hole 4 meters high and 1,2 meters wide in the ferry hull.

According to the documentary filmmakers, such a hole could only be caused by a powerful external force. Naturally, this statement was immediately taken into account by the governments of Sweden and Finland. After all, the mystery of the largest peacetime maritime disaster in Europe has not yet been solved.

Margus Kurm, who once headed the Estonian government commission to investigate the tragedy, said that the most likely cause of the loss of the ferry was its collision with an unknown submarine. According to Kurm, it is highly unlikely that the hole was formed as a result of a collision with the bottom or an underwater rock.

As you know, Sweden, Finland and Estonia carefully obstruct any attempts to independently investigate the causes of the tragedy. If now we are talking about the fact that the ferry could have died as a result of a collision with a submarine, then two possible scenarios for the further development of events should be expected.

The first scenario is that the information voiced by the documentary filmmakers will try to "silence" if it becomes known that the cause of the death of the ferry could be a collision with a submarine of any of the NATO countries, or the same Sweden. Indeed, in this case, it turns out that the people were killed by a "friendly" submarine.

The second scenario is that Russia can be blamed for the Estonia ferry crash, as the West is very fond of doing lately. It is enough just to throw into the media space the version that the ferry collided with a Russian submarine. There will be no evidence, but who needs it, if you remember stories with the poisoning of Skripals or Navalny. Of course, the fact that the topic of the Estonia ferry disaster was raised again 26 years after the tragic events, and even against the background of ongoing opposition to Nord Stream 2, cannot but raise questions.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 30 September 2020 18: 38 New
    13
    The first scenario is that the information voiced by the documentary filmmakers will try to "silence" if it becomes known that the cause of the death of the ferry could be a collision with a submarine of any of the NATO countries, or the same Sweden. Indeed, in this case, it turns out that the people were killed by a "friendly" submarine.

    The second scenario is that Russia can be blamed for the Estonia ferry disaster, as the West is very fond of doing lately.

    Yes, Russia, of course, will be to blame ...
    Somehow very in time.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 30 September 2020 18: 41 New
      14
      Stopudovo in the light of today's realities ... the boat will turn out to be Russian ...
      No wonder this topic was pulled from the bottom ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 30 September 2020 18: 43 New
        22
        Well, there will definitely be some survivor who will claim to have heard Russian speech from a submarine! yes
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        2. Mouse
          Mouse 30 September 2020 18: 48 New
          13
          some survivor who claims to have heard Russian speech from a submarine!

          And the clink of faceted glasses ...
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 30 September 2020 18: 50 New
            +8
            Quote: Mouse
            And the clink of faceted glasses ..

            stop Russians, in such cases, drink without clinking glasses! yes
            1. Mouse
              Mouse 30 September 2020 18: 55 New
              +2
              ........Amen.... crying
            2. ioan-e
              ioan-e 2 October 2020 15: 08 New
              0
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: Mouse
              And the clink of faceted glasses ..

              stop Russians, in such cases, drink without clinking glasses! yes

              This is for their own! And when we "torpedo" the enemy, we clink glasses!
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 September 2020 21: 12 New
          10
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Well, there will definitely be some survivor who will claim to have heard Russian speech from a submarine! yes

          In addition, neatly packed, at the bottom will lie the documents of Russian sailors, a cap with earflaps with a Soviet badge and an empty bottle of vodka ...

          Still, it is not in vain that the Estonians are considered slow-witted - it took 26 years for them to figure out the guilt of Russia in the "Estonia" disaster. Whether it is the Poles - in the Donbas, the wreckage of the Malaysian Boeing, shot down by the Maidan horses, did not reach the ground, and Warsaw has already begun to sing about Russia "shooting down civilian airliners." Putin scratched his elbow, and Kiev immediately realized that it was a secret gesture giving Russian troops the order to attack Kiev. Here is someone Eeeesstooonniiiii need to learn to think quickly. negative
        4. mikstepanenko
          mikstepanenko 1 October 2020 06: 26 New
          +1
          Russian speech with a Russian accent. As is customary now with "witnesses" in Ukraine.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 30 September 2020 19: 44 New
        +6
        The submarine is from "3 Reich". Bormann's grandson (or great-grandson?) Returned from Antarctica on a secret boat; after the collapse of the Union and the unification of Germany.
        I tried to fit into politics through secret agents of the Nazis in western Germany.
        We went to raid the Baltic, because the North Sea was controlled by democratic countries - "the countries of Good".
        And the USSR fleet is no longer there, and it is necessary to feed on something on someone .... secretly took the prize from the ferry and killed those who saw the sea wolfs from the Reich.
        All dem shiza knows the reasons for the flooding of the ferry, they are afraid of those warriors.
        Curtain...
        1. Machito
          Machito 1 October 2020 00: 24 New
          0
          Quote: antivirus
          The submarine is from "3 Reich". Bormann's grandson (or great-grandson?) Returned from Antarctica on a secret boat; after the collapse of the Union and the unification of Germany.
          I tried to fit into politics through secret agents of the Nazis in western Germany.
          We went to raid the Baltic, because the North Sea was controlled by democratic countries - "the countries of Good".
          And the USSR fleet is no longer there, and it is necessary to feed on something on someone .... secretly took the prize from the ferry and killed those who saw the sea wolfs from the Reich.
          All dem shiza knows the reasons for the flooding of the ferry, they are afraid of those warriors.
          Curtain...

          Good version. Fully consistent with the Goebbels methodology used by the West. I applaud you. And I am an ardent supporter of your version of events.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 30 September 2020 20: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Mouse
        Stopudovo in the light of today's realities ... the boat will turn out to be Russian ...
        No wonder this topic was pulled from the bottom ...

        The Balts are now pulling out all the skeletons from cabinets, chests and attics. And what about the attacks of the Lithuanians on Russia in the XIII-XV centuries they blather? After all, these "Europeans" constantly raided our lands. They robbed, destroyed, drove the inhabitants into slavery ... Why shouldn't Russia present these artiodactyls (this is for the modernists, but simply - "goats") on this occasion? Otherwise they refer to some kind of occupation all the time, as a result of which this agrarian country - a misunderstanding turned into MEMBER NATO and EU
        1. mikstepanenko
          mikstepanenko 1 October 2020 06: 33 New
          -1
          In those days, there were not Lithuanians, but Lithuanians, the same Russians, whose descendants are Belarusians. And the ancestors of today's Lithuanians were called Zhmudins, and they had nothing to do with great Lithuania. So these raids can be compared rather with the feudal civil strife between Moscow and Pskov.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 1 October 2020 11: 20 New
            -1
            Quote: mikstepanenko
            In those days, there were not Lithuanians, but Lithuanians

            As far as I remember from history, there was a so-called. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was a separate independent state (it geographically included modern Lithuania as well) and constantly ran into the Russian principalities (Vladimir-Volynskoe, Smolensk, Moscow). View the biography of the Lithuanian prince Olgerd
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 September 2020 18: 45 New
      +9
      In this case, the hole, judging by the photo - ABOVE the waterline.
      How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?
      1. nnm
        nnm 30 September 2020 18: 50 New
        19
        Sir, you just don't know those evil Russians! The hole above the waterline only proves even more clearly the guilt of these bloodthirsty communists - this means that these savages planned everything on purpose - they welded a ram to the submarine and attacked a defenseless ship, moving on the surface. Moreover, the ship at that moment was probably carrying democratic weapons solely for the purpose of maintaining peace. And Russians, as everyone knows, hate the world!
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 30 September 2020 18: 59 New
          +2
          In case of such a hole, this is at least Captain Nemo's Nautilus ...
          1. AshPoseidon
            AshPoseidon 30 September 2020 23: 18 New
            -1
            No. It seems that they have already determined that the submarine is Swedish. And in order not to raise the resonance, the case was hushed up at the Foreign Ministry level. The crew of the "Estonia", which was listed at first in the lists of the living, suddenly suddenly disappeared.
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 30 September 2020 19: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: nnm
          transported democratic weapons solely for the purpose of maintaining peace.

          There are no weapons, and there were none. By ferry
          Quote: nnm
          русские
          using the "long arms" of the KGB, they seated only the "freedom-loving" citizens of the world who had "innocently suffered" from
          Quote: nnm
          bloodthirsty communists
          ... Thus, the KGB, the GRU, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, SOVNARKOM and the Kremlin ruined valuable witnesses for accusing Russia of creating a "newcomer".
          Further in the text -
          Quote: nnm
          welded a ram to the submarine and attacked a defenseless ship, moving on the surface
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 30 September 2020 19: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Victor_B
        How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?

        Above-water hole!
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 1 October 2020 02: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: Victor_B
          How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?

          Above-water hole!

          They took everyone and broke them off)))) Now we have to look for the Russian OVERWATER BOAT!)))
      3. beeper
        beeper 30 September 2020 20: 02 New
        +8
        hi Judging by the location and type of the hole, this is a rupture and warping (already "corrugation" turned out!) Of the skin from the deformation of the hull (probably, when the sunken ferry hits the seabed), and not from an external impact.
        And even with a kinetic external impact (even with a relatively "soft" anti-hydroacoustic "rubber band" of the submarine's skin), distinct traces of stripped paint on board would be visible, and along the edges of the hole it is almost intact.
        Looking at this photo of the hole, it will be impossible for a more or less technically competent person to believe in the "version of the collision of a ferry with a submarine"! smile
        But after all, the anti-Russian Goebbelsuchs, when "processing the mass consciousness" of Western and Westernoid inhabitants, do not rest on the search for truth and common sense, but on the primitive "stirring up" of emotions and manipulative techniques with repeated "hammering" their propaganda "content" into "case (" chances are not random "- the words of the turtle-mentor from the cartoon" Panda-Kungfu ")" with pointwise (strictly individually! without any consequences for others!) "poisoned deadly potent substance of mass destruction"English citizens Skripals and Russian" blocher "Sisay (and, God knows, who else from the" self-proclaimed fighters and fighters against the regime "will the Naglo-Saxons and Germans poison and" treat "this miraculous" newcomer "of theirs ?!)!
        IMHO
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 30 September 2020 20: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: pishchak
          Looking at this photo of the hole, it will be impossible for a more or less technically competent person to believe in the "version of the collision of a ferry with a submarine"!

          Fortunately, there are not many "partners" of such people.
          And those who find themselves are well aware that the Russian submarine simply fastened the pillow from the boatswain's bed to its ramming ram to mislead everyone.
        2. We_smart
          We_smart 30 September 2020 22: 09 New
          +4
          It is clear to any European that after the ram, the divers wiped off the traces of rubber to a shine of metal. The hole was widened with jacks to cover the tracks. Shortly before the tragedy, they deliberately raged the Baltic, walking at full speed along the border of the Baltic, and what the aviation did with its propellers with the wind is understandable.
        3. Gertm
          Gertm 1 October 2020 06: 41 New
          0
          [/ quote] Looking at this photo of the hole, it will be impossible for a more or less technically competent person to believe in the "version of the collision of a ferry with a submarine"!hi
          IMHO
          [
          Looking at this photo, it is clear that it was not taken underwater or 26 year old scrap metal.
      4. Xenofont
        Xenofont 30 September 2020 20: 05 New
        +2
        Could hit in a jump. Russian submarines are ... A secret project, the Flying Fish is capable of evading torpedoes.
      5. Simargl
        Simargl 30 September 2020 22: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: Victor_B
        How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?
        What, what?!?! I stuck my nose out to look around!
      6. Eug
        Eug 30 September 2020 22: 27 New
        +1
        Jumping up ... only Ross has such an opportunity. PL.
      7. CARLSON
        CARLSON 1 October 2020 09: 16 New
        +1
        I'm telling you exactly, the ferry hit the celestial axis fellow
      8. Piramidon
        Piramidon 1 October 2020 11: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: Victor_B
        How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?

        Easily. laughing
    3. venik
      venik 30 September 2020 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Yes, Russia, of course, will be to blame ... Somehow, very in time.

      =========
      Who would doubt that! This already reminds of an old comedy:
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner 30 September 2020 22: 19 New
      0
      Hardly. If there was the slightest opportunity to pin this on Russia, then 26 years ago all over the world the screams of the Balts would be heard. And they and the Swedes and the Finns fell silent for something. Surely the first scenario is more plausible.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 1 October 2020 02: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Captive
        Hardly. If there was the slightest opportunity to pin this on Russia, then 26 years ago all over the world the screams of the Balts would be heard. And they and the Swedes and the Finns fell silent for something. Surely the first scenario is more plausible.

        Nope, their Master was then friends with Russia, they were only allowed to whine at PACE at the infringement of Chechen fighters for independence))
        It is now that any garbage that surfaced in the Swedish fjords is mistaken for a Russian submarine and then they are looking for it with their entire fleet.
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 1 October 2020 06: 38 New
      0
      So it will be. They will blame Russia for scaring with the Nord Stream. Because there will be no gas running through pipes, but the evil Buryats in the heart of Europe.
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 1 October 2020 10: 24 New
      0
      Everyone understands that it was Putin who was sailing in a submarine.
  2. nnm
    nnm 30 September 2020 18: 39 New
    +2
    That's for sure ! Russia will be immediately appointed guilty. The West has not bothered to prove such accusations for a long time.
  3. orionvitt
    orionvitt 30 September 2020 18: 40 New
    10
    Well it started. If the Estonians who are not comfortable say "unknown submarine", read "Rossiyskaya". Nothing new. It has long been investigated that the cause of death was not the tightly closed nasal gate that was overwhelmed by the waves. Less than 25 years later, the "hot Estonian guys" decided to use such rotten material to cook something up against Russia again. Probably the "laurels" of the Malaysian Boeing and Skripals are haunted. fool
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 30 September 2020 19: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: orionvitt
      For a long time everything has been investigated that the cause of death was not the tightly closed nasal gate, into which the waves overwhelmed.
      Less than 25 years later, the "hot Estonian guys" decided to use such rotten material to cook something up against Russia again. Probably the "laurels" of the Malaysian Boeing and Skripals are haunted.

      good The best comment!
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 30 September 2020 21: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        Quote: orionvitt
        For a long time everything has been investigated that the cause of death was not the tightly closed nasal gate, into which the waves overwhelmed.
        Less than 25 years later, the "hot Estonian guys" decided to use such rotten material to cook something up against Russia again. Probably the "laurels" of the Malaysian Boeing and Skripals are haunted.

        good The best comment!

        Honestly, hypocrisy is off the charts. And the crew of the vessel with the Estonian crew, which Estonia overtook in the storm as moored, did not try to ask? Or extra witnesses are not needed?
        More than a quarter of a century has passed ... Since the death of the Polish Tupolev, only a little more than ten years have passed - so brains will be composted from all sides. It's a matter of time when they find clink of faceted glasses.
  4. kit88
    kit88 30 September 2020 18: 41 New
    10
    No, that chapel of the 14th century was destroyed by Russia.
  5. Antidote
    Antidote 30 September 2020 18: 46 New
    +4
    Fresh mushrooms?

  6. iouris
    iouris 30 September 2020 18: 46 New
    +3
    Very unlikely. The submarine would also have sunk after the collision. All these stories were learned in preparation for a new plunder of Eurasia.
    The policy of the Russian Federation will either change dramatically just the other day or ...
    I don’t want it myself.
  7. tlauicol
    tlauicol 30 September 2020 18: 49 New
    0
    A boat would not survive a collision with such an object.
  8. prior
    prior 30 September 2020 18: 50 New
    12
    Well, the Titanic also collided with a Russian nuclear submarine, eyewitnesses said.
    And the Arabs who rammed the Twin Towers in New York had a second civilization.
    Well, of course Russian. They won't lie on the Internet.
  9. Andrea
    Andrea 30 September 2020 18: 58 New
    +4
    Don't go to the fortune-teller! Have dug up a fresh bone ... now they will begin to suck
    As far as I remember, the cause of the catastrophe was established and it was the ramp that broke off in the storm. Even if the ferry had received a hole from the collision, it could not have sunk so quickly. The Titanic sank for 2 hours, with a hole in a third of the hull and the victims would definitely not have forgotten about the collision
    1. CARLSON
      CARLSON 1 October 2020 09: 20 New
      0
      Not a fig for a fresh bone, 30 years old, rather they dug up rot and try to pass it off as fresh
  10. Al Asad
    Al Asad 30 September 2020 19: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Mouse
    some survivor who claims to have heard Russian speech from a submarine!

    And the clink of faceted glasses ...

    and the roar of a brown bear that could no longer drink
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 30 September 2020 19: 19 New
      +2
      and the roar of a brown bear that could no longer drink

      So he chewed off the side ... he took a bite so to speak ... wassat
  11. Dude
    Dude 30 September 2020 19: 05 New
    +5
    To any sane a person understands that to drown in a matter of minutes (!), due to a hole of 4.8 m2, a ship of such a large displacement, physically can not.
    But when the task is (and this is obvious), to blame Russia for something, then sanity not just harmful, it is contraindicated.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 30 September 2020 19: 48 New
      +1
      Any sane person understands that drowning in a matter of minutes (!), Due to a hole of 4.8 m2,
      ABOVE THE WATERLINE.
      OVERWATER hole!
      Where from?
      What?
      1. Tima62
        Tima62 30 September 2020 20: 53 New
        +1
        I will add about the area. For a rectangle with sides 4 and 1.2, the area will be 4.8 m2. And for a rhombus with such diagonals (4 and 1.2), the area will be twice as small - 2.4 m2 (not to mention that the gap is above water.
      2. Dude
        Dude 1 October 2020 02: 48 New
        0
        Where from?
        What?
        The same visor that came off, for example. This is more real than a collision with a mythical submarine (which for some reason decided to go in a storm on the surface).
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 1 October 2020 15: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Victor_B
        Where from?
        What?

        Yes, nothing and no where. It is written that in estonia it is almost forbidden to examine a sunken ferry on pain of death. And so, they found it themselves, they make the show. We have the type of proof, but at the site, we will not show you.
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 30 September 2020 21: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Dude
      due to a hole with an area of ​​4.8 m2, a vessel of such a large displacement physically cannot

      Can. The free surface of the car deck is large, the weather is bad, stability loss and rollover. Ships are so dying.
      1. Dude
        Dude 1 October 2020 02: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Motorist
        Quote: Dude
        due to a hole with an area of ​​4.8 m2, a vessel of such a large displacement physically cannot

        Can. The free surface of the car deck is large, the weather is bad, stability loss and rollover. Ships are so dying.

        I understand Q = µF * [square root of] 2gHb (m³ / s), and all that, but:
        - The hole was not in the area of ​​the car deck, but in the area of ​​the passenger cabins.
        - The hole is above the waterline (I remember that the excitement was serious, and water could flow even through the hole located above the waterline, but still).
        - Even if the struggle for survivability was not waged at all (and, apparently, it was), 15,5 thousand tons of displacement is still not "Bulgaria".
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 1 October 2020 20: 35 New
          +1
          Hello. hi I looked at the GA-plan from the report (link below): a hole in the area of ​​decks 1 and 2. Deck-1 - indeed - with economy-class cabins, but deck-2 is just a kardek. Perhaps [if the hole appeared before the death and the ramp had nothing to do with it], the water entering the cabins added precipitation, and a list appeared on the PB. And then the PB kardeka turned out to be below the new waterline, well, after - as I wrote above. Everything is as always, IMHO.

          https://onse.fi/estonia/chapt03_1.html
        2. Motorist
          Motorist 1 October 2020 20: 55 New
          +1
          What else I found in the same place:
          The ship had a slight starboard list due to a combination of athwartships weight disposition, cargo disposition and wind pressure on the port side.

          This means that the bank on the PB was already due to the wind and the location of the cargo. And further:

          Further observations of unusual noise, starting at about 0105 hrs, were made during the following 10 minutes by many passengers and some crew members ...
          The ship sank rapidly, stern first, and disappeared from the radar screens of ships in the area at about 0150 hrs.

          That is, not a few minutes, but three quarters of an hour.
          1. Dude
            Dude 1 October 2020 21: 36 New
            +1
            Good evening! hi
            Indeed, a list of several degrees on the PB was already in the port, moreover, there is evidence that the vessel had already made several previous voyages with such a list.
            Well, the ferry's visor was torn off, that's a fact. There is also the testimony of the 3rd mechanic that water began to flow precisely along the edges of the nasal ramp.
            After 10 minutes, the roll was already prohibitive, and after half an hour it was all over.
            I think the real reason is still in the detached visor. From a collision with him, for example, this hole could have formed.
            And, in general, of course, a dark story.
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 1 October 2020 21: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Dude
              And, in general, of course, a dark story.

              That yes ... I'll have to read the report carefully - I kept it for myself. I think the older the document, the more truthful, then "highly likely" was not in trend. Provided that it was not subsequently edited, of course.
              1. Dude
                Dude 2 October 2020 14: 43 New
                +1
                The report (s, there are several of them; how a new government appeared in Estonia, so a new investigation was initiated - well, such a Kaczynski plane, only in Estonian) is really interesting to read there. Not only the first report is worthy of attention, the high-likes appeared only recently.
  12. DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 30 September 2020 19: 20 New
    +3
    This is where the whole Institute is sitting looking for reasons and coming up with reasons to draw the Russian Federation to something ...
    Soon some other schoolgirl will say that the dinosaurs are exiled to the Gulag.
  13. alexmach
    alexmach 30 September 2020 19: 41 New
    +1
    Yeah .. the movie premiered on Monday. I've been waiting for when they will sing about the possible guilt of Russia. And now, only two days have passed.
  14. Petrograd
    Petrograd 30 September 2020 19: 47 New
    +3
    Ordinary slovenliness and technical malfunctions - they are trying to load the nasal flaps not tightly closed - of course it is the Russian plane that deliberately rammed this vessel, but there is nothing more for the evil Russian navy to do - just sink civilian ships, and even more so the ships of the great Baltic powers
  15. Old26
    Old26 30 September 2020 19: 53 New
    +7
    Quote: Victor_B
    How could a SUBMARINE have penetrated the hull like that?

    Elementary. Jumped out of the water, rammed the poor steam and back under water
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 September 2020 20: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Old26
      Elementary. Jumped out of the water, rammed the poor steam and back under water

      Yes, she just hooked up an armored Buryat, but he already blasted it.
  16. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 30 September 2020 20: 04 New
    0
    Well, if with a Russian boat - then perhaps with the Komsomolets, which sank 5 years before ...
  17. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 30 September 2020 20: 29 New
    +1
    "At present, the ferry" Estonia "is protected by the law on the rest of the deceased, diving to the place of the wreck of the ferry and any attempts to investigate the tragedy are prohibited on pain of criminal prosecution."
    Well, so what is there to talk about? ..
  18. Million
    Million 30 September 2020 20: 38 New
    +1
    Sweden, Finland and Estonia do not need the truth. Tragedy is used for political purposes.
  19. da Vinci
    da Vinci 30 September 2020 21: 08 New
    +3
    Somewhere under water:
  20. bzbo
    bzbo 30 September 2020 21: 54 New
    +1
    How to demand from the Tribals to give Russian citizenship and compensate for moral damage for thirty years?
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 1 October 2020 15: 18 New
      0
      Quote: bzbo
      How to demand from the Tribals to give Russian citizenship and compensate for moral damage for thirty years?

      Wait, it's not evening yet. The Balts will receive their karma already.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 30 September 2020 22: 10 New
    0
    Why is this question raised now? They can really pull us along the worked out route, highly likely and all the evidence
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 30 September 2020 23: 07 New
      0
      Why is this question raised now?

      An investigation film about this was released. Someone finally plunged into this ferry, not by himself but by means of an apparatus, studied it and released a film. from and went schizophrenia
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 30 September 2020 23: 57 New
        +1
        Yes, there a long time ago even the diver-songwriter Makarevich dived and uploaded a video ...
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 1 October 2020 10: 20 New
          -1
          Ay-yay-yay, how did he violate the laws of a democratic country?
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 1 October 2020 14: 18 New
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            I don’t know, but I remember exactly on TV some kind of program like the Travelers' Club, where he was a guest .. and showed footage of dives, because then he was seriously engaged in diving ...
  22. Kerensky
    Kerensky 30 September 2020 22: 34 New
    +1
    I listened. And he was not raised? Why?
  23. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 October 2020 02: 15 New
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    "Estonia: a find that changes everything ”, dedicated to the catastrophe 26 years ago,
    ... not even eh-eeee 26 years have passed since they remembered!
    Currently, the ferry "Estonia" is protected by the Law on the Rest of the Dead, diving to the site of the wreck of the ferry and any attempts to investigate the tragedy are prohibited under penalty.
    The cat knows whose fat it has eaten! bully bully
  24. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 1 October 2020 09: 15 New
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    Another version for gayrope:
    "... The Russian submarine went upside down so that the superstructure was submerged, and the hull was above the water ..."
  25. Evil 55
    Evil 55 1 October 2020 14: 26 New
    +1
    Another stupid-stupid-conspiracy version of paid preschool journalists dreaming of a Pulitzer Prize ..