Azerbaijani official: Two Armenian Su-25s crashed into a mountain

The conflicting statements of the parties to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict about the loss of the Armenian Air Force of the Su-25 attack aircraft continue to be published. Let us remind that on the eve the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia stated that the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force from the airspace of Azerbaijan struck the Su-25, which was in the airspace of Armenia.

After a while, statements came from Turkey that the Turkish aviation did not take part in hostilities. And Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, in an interview with the 60 Minutes program on Russian television, said that he had no information about the strike by Turkish fighters, calling the Armenian statements a fake.

Now a statement has appeared from the assistant to the Azerbaijani president, Hikmet Hajiyev. Hajiyev stated that the statements of the Armenian side are "absurd and disinformation".

According to Ilham Aliyev's aide, two Su-25s of the Armenian Air Force took off yesterday. Further Hajiyev states:

We have evidence that both planes hit the mountain and exploded. The Armenian leadership provides citizens with false information. It would be nice if the official Yerevan reported about the second plane, as well as about the second pilot. Don't blame others for your mistakes.

Hajiyev added that Baku recommends that the Armenian side provide all the data that would explain under what circumstances both attack aircraft "collided with the mountain."

Photo of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia:

In the military department of the Republic of Armenia, the name of the pilot was named - Valery Danelin.

Comments

[Don karleone]

??? the plane does not go to the mountain, tady mountain goes to the plane

[Zaurbek]

It may well be.

[figwam]

Only in bad weather conditions

[Zaurbek]

There is mountainous terrain ... most likely the weather changes frequently.

[Ros 56]

I wonder how our people fought in Afghanistan or smoothed the mountains there? It was not about the reel, the gouge was sitting in the cockpit.

[Zaurbek]

Do Armenians have the same plaque?

[Ros 56]

The question is not at the address.

[Temples]

Quote: Ros 56

Do Armenians have the same plaque?

Which one?

Okay, these pussies are measured.
This is a Kakaz tradition.

Why would you get into this cycle of lies?

There are only facts.

These highlanders are actively pulling big boys into a fight.

Big guys should give a hat to one side and the other.
It is necessary to force these horsemen to agree.
No blood.

[Zaurbek]

As long as there is going to Karabakh ... nobody will get involved .. This is the right of Azerbaijan .. More recently, the Armenians marched against our base.

[Shurik70]

Under active radio - the autopilot could well glitch. And if you also fly in poor visibility conditions or at night ...

[stas Sv]

This is how ??? Explain once you declare.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Stas Sv

This is how ??? Explain once you declare.

Just like Iran planted a secret American drone on its territory - false GPS signals caused the autopilot to incorrectly determine its coordinates.
In a specific case, the pilots could use GPS to decide that they were flying away from the mountain.

[Looking for]

By and large, this is not a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan; it is a war between Russia and the United States.

[Zaurbek]

This is not true. The Russian Federation has good relations with both Baku and Yerevan ....... Simply, if Baku is completely independent and earns money itself, then it builds its own policy. In Armenia, the situation is different, as in Georgia.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Zaurbek

Not long ago the Armenians marched against our base.

It is necessary for these protesters to send help from Russia, all Armenians, citizens of the Russian Federation illegally staying with us.
Let them march in their homeland even to blue in the face.
They are very much accustomed to love their homeland because of the hillock. Let them act like real patriots - they will leave their homes in Russia and forward to the Motherland.
Equally, this is the same rule: if you love your Motherland, it's time to leave the warm places in the Russian Federation, and it is applicable to Azerbaijanis, not citizens of the Russian Federation.

[Roman13579]

the dolt was sitting in the cockpit.

Yeah .. does someone really believe that they just bumped into it ??
Considering that there is also a war ...

[open]

Three drying houses of Russian knights crashed into the mountain with aces, quite possibly.

[Zaurbek]

SSJ 100 also arrived.

[yehat2]

there was no air defense system in Afghanistan, the higher you fly, the more convenient

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the weather in the mountains does not change very often

[Mwg]

Fall. Fogs in the morning, strong gusty winds

[Evil543]

The Armenians showed the moment of the missile hit in Su25 and the fall

[Zaurbek]

Where was it shown?

[Evil543]

Dial on RBK

[Avior]

There is only himself shot down, there is no moment of hit

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5f7454489a794761f38f5790

[Evil543]

In yandex news with a link to RBK. Video

[Lopatov]

What is the likelihood of filming this?

[Deniska999]

It looks like the war has shifted to the Internet, now they will draw each other's killed divisions.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Deniska999

It looks like the war has shifted to the internet

The main thing is not to go to the markets of Russian cities ...

[Doccor18]

It looks like the war has shifted to the internet


The main thing is not to go to the markets of Russian cities ...

Azerbaijan won there long ago.

[zadorin1974]

Kind Denis. They always lied, just now there are unlimited possibilities for this. Here is an example from a short time.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what nonsense? !!!
leg 5 (FIVE) hours is not in ice and it was sewn

[St Petrov]

what nonsense? !!!

Ukrainian knights ATO. They are

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what nonsense? !!!
leg 5 (FIVE) hours is not in ice and it was sewn

So they all waist-length wooden... Some from the bottom, some from the top ...

[Avior]

I read about this story, it interested me
Actually, it does not say that she was not in the ice for five hours, it says that the operation took place five hours later.
I have never heard of this, now I rummaged around, they write that, by coincidence, the capital Kiev vascular-cardio surgeon turned out to be in the district hospital
https://endovascular.com.ua/page/text/name=endohirurg
who sewed the leg.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.0629.com.ua/amp/news/2079831
It's a matter of chance, it seems, anything can happen, propaganda just fanned it.
I did not see that they wrote somewhere that the story is fake.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

In fact, it does not say that she lay not in the ice for five hours

do you really think that during the battle you could create conditions for storing a severed limb ?!

[Avior]

Judging by the description, the battle itself was short there, and the hospital was nearby
I think this is possible if it was just a coincidence of circumstances, plus luck that the capital surgeon of the right profile was.
I don't think that such operations are performed in every district hospital.
But they wrote about this case a lot and with details.
Theoretically, maybe in fact the leg just had severe injuries, but I did not see a refutation that this was a fake.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Avior

Judging by the description, the battle itself was short there, and the hospital was nearby
I think this is possible if it was just a coincidence of circumstances, plus luck that the capital surgeon of the right profile was.
I don't think that such operations are performed in every district hospital.
But they wrote about this case a lot and with details.
Theoretically, maybe in fact the leg just had severe injuries, but I did not see a refutation that this was a fake.

To sew on a limb, you need a special microscope and tools. For example, the Moscow surgeon takes them with him.

[Avior]

Do not know
If there was another operation, maybe with me. Or for some other reason.
I look at it simply - there are many posts on this topic, including such detail as a specific doctor, from whom I also saw no refutation.
Didn't see any messages questioning this.
Therefore, I admit that in some form, perhaps not quite the same as they write, perhaps the event could have taken place.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Avior

Do not know
If there was another operation, maybe with me. Or for some other reason.
I look at it simply - there are many posts on this topic, including such detail as a specific doctor, from whom I also saw no refutation.
Didn't see any messages questioning this.
Therefore, I admit that in some form, perhaps not quite the same as they write, perhaps the event could have taken place.

Such operations are carried out in special centers.No one is lucky to carry a microscope the size of a kitchen on a business trip.
.if a field hospital was deployed there, then it is possible. but military doctors do not have such specialization as stitching micron nerves in the field

[Avior]

I do not know
it is indicated that the operation was performed by a doctor who was quite capable of doing it.
Why he ended up in this province, I do not know, and what was deployed there.
but I saw no evidence that it was a lie.
if you indicate where to read about them, I will definitely.

[yehat2]

with a torn off leg for several tens of seconds and a kink from blood loss
about any "firing back" and there can be no question in a minute as it was blown off.
after 3-4, he will most likely lose consciousness, if he has not lost consciousness immediately from shock.
But in addition to blood loss, hypothermia, blood poisoning and other joys are also threatening.

[Avior]

Anything can happen
Do you know who this is?

This is Pavel Gudz.
In a similar situation, he cut off his arm and continued the fight.

[yehat2]

hand not leg
the bleeding in the leg is much stronger and the hand is much easier to pinch and bandage.

[Avior]

He continued the battle in the tank, cutting off his shattered arm. He did not bandage or bandage, and there was no one there to do it.
They got it, then they tied it up, it didn't happen right away, but when the battle ended.
The leg, judging by the photo after the operation, had injuries below the lower leg, in the narrow part.
Therefore, to say that it is impossible is to sin against the truth.
This is a similar real case.

[yehat2]

below the lower leg - lost a leg? they would say that there is damage in the area of ​​the foot. It's not the whole leg, to put it mildly. Although I almost died in the taiga when I cut my foot with a branch.

[Avior]

There is a photo in the newspaper above, this is a part, in the full photo you can see the bandage at the bottom of the leg, but above the foot, I don't know the specific place, it is quite wide.
There is my link above, there are also details.

[donavi49]

Well, there are real ones too. Su-25

Today's drone strikes.


Replenishment meeting right at the drop-off.
https://twitter.com/wwwmodgovaz/status/1311250796265299968

[Zaurbek]

The Turks are expecting major successes in the sale of UAVs and weapons for them.

[donavi49]

Harop works too.


Well, and also about tanks - though here it is not so unambiguous, but on the move.


Video from Twitter on YouTube - meeting replenishments on upload


So far, the Armenians today are draining the information war. For there is a decent amount of fresh material from Azerbaijan. And nothing from the Armenians at all.

[iouris]

It is known that most of all lies in the war and after fishing.
It is pointless to discuss the existence of this fact. Such facts should be obtained by state intelligence. In addition, the confirmation of the fact of the destruction of the Su-25 in the airspace of Armenia is a very expensive pleasure. But (if) there is no money (for these purposes), then politics will follow the money.

[Astra55]

And I wonder if our A-50 is not flying there nearby? And doesn't it record every launch from an RPG on tape?
Or is it not yet time to make the facts public in order to put someone in an uncomfortable position?

[iouris]

Doesn't fly. Does not record the death of history.

[Grits]

Quote: Astra55

And I wonder if our A-50 is not flying there nearby?

Where is it nearby? Over Turkey, Georgia or Azerbaijan?

[Otshelnik]

The main thing is that both sides confirm the loss of Armenian dryers ...

[Kushka]

Moreover, it is proved "scientifically" - the experiment was carried out twice.
And the same result was obtained twice.
True, for complete convincingness, you need to do the same with the other
mountain (according to science, there must be at least two mountains)

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I finished my service in the 86th. I don't know what happened next. But I will tell you one thing - no one loved the people of Azerbaijan.

[Catfish]

I graduated in 69 and we were not there, but then I heard a lot about them from the men for three decades. Personally, I myself have never communicated with this people, but I can imagine by some other "small but proud" representative of the Caucasian nationality.
But here is another option - Karabakh is located on the territory of Azerbaijan, it is like Kosovo stolen from the Serbs, and the current president of Armenia came to power under the slogan "Russia is an occupier and enemy number one", now the Azerbaijanis beat the Armenians, so they get what they get for which they fought hard.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You live a very long time, I would have died long ago.

[Catfish]

Cheer up, Sergei, there are people older than me.

[Temples]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

azeiborjans

Who is this?

Why would you love them?
Or do you love Armenians, and because of this, Azerbaijanis become second-class people?

Love your wife. Children. Mother and father.

Hitler and his Caudle German do not like Russians.
All Europe is Russophobes. This is a centuries-old fact.

How did you decide that your love or dislike for some people gives you the right to judge?

Every nation lives as it lives.
And their dissimilarity, so to speak, gives them the right to be called a people.

There is eternal bickering in the Caucasus. Each nation is trying to prove its superiority to another.
This is the problem.

It cannot be cured with blood.

If not stopped, they will kill each other.
And the places they call Armenia and Azerbaijan will be populated by others.
Those who kindled discord.

Turks, for example, incite and throw wood into the fire.
And they (the Turks) do not care about the Azeris, and even less about the Armenians.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I would have sent you, but you are only from there.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Temples, so you have never served in the army. Jump up and everything will pass.

[ssergey1978]

Do you want to say everyone loves Armenians?

[konstantinos kontogiannidis]

“Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian.”
George Orwell

[Megatron]

I read that 20.000 Armenians are ready to leave Russia to help their fellow tribesmen.
I hope they will eventually stay in their homeland.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Megatron

I read that 20.000 Armenians are ready to leave Russia to help their fellow tribesmen.
I hope they will eventually stay in their homeland.

20 recruits is certainly good, but does Armenia have the funds to equip them, equip them and, most importantly, time to train them?

[yehat2]

Arming 20k with light weapons for the state is not a difficult task.
much more difficult to train them

[the finish]

What to teach? In Armenia, the service life is 2 years, the majority have passed it and have a VUS.

[Zaurbek]

There is a shaft of weapons ... ... everything depends on the future plans of Azerbaijan and its resources. Drones are not endless and expensive. Then it will come to positional battles and it will be difficult to attack in the mountains without aviation. And then winter will come. The Armenians have a minus in obtaining resources.

[Francois]

Yes, and I hope there will be no chauvinists like you soon at all!

[ANB]

Aren't Azerbaijanis going?

[vindigo]

There are only show-offs and declarations.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Megatron

I read that 20.000 Armenians

need more to check out

[U-Gin78]

20.000 Armenians, ready to leave Russia to help fellow tribesmen

Just?! And the rest 99%?

[Megatron]

No, let dosvidos take one ticket.

[Megatron]

I'm not against Armenians as such, but why don't Armenians want to live in Armenia?
More than half of Armenians live outside the country. And here they are breeding the current crime, along with the rest of the migrants. So let them come back.

[Megatron]

And who made it unfit for life?
Let their homeland be raised from its knees, the friendship of peoples has long since ended, we no longer owe these republics, thank you, we have eaten for 70 years.

[Megatron]

It's funny, but many countries live well without oil and gas. The main thing is not to steal.
Let the CIS members go home and sort it out among themselves as much as they like, this is not our business. We have not a tolerant Europe here, we are not obliged to accept everyone. Introduce visas and lock the border. And one more thing: checking the issuance of citizenship over the past 25 years.

[Megatron]

Of course, I won't say for everyone, but I don't know a single friend of mine to welcome guest performers from the countries of the Caucasus and Asia. We are always glad to Belarusians and sane Ukrainians, not to colored criminals who slaughter our people and produce criminals. I understand that you yourself are Armenian, since you are campaigning so hard for them.

[Megatron]

And the statistics on the crimes of migrants just speaks about it.
More than half of ALL crimes in the country are committed by migrants.
And all sorts of rapes and robberies there are generally the lion's share.

[Dude]

You can write whatever you want, but your opinion does not reflect the opinion of the majority of Russians.

Can you cite (confirmed by proofs, of course) the "opinion of the majority of Russians" where they welcome uncontrolled immigration to Russia?

[Megatron]

How tired of this nonsense that "the natives do not want to work."
You pay people normally and there will be a fight for seats. And since a Russian person who needs to eat, drink, support his family, go once a year to the sea, I think quite normal needs can compete with the jamshut, who eats a doshirak and sleeps on a pissy mattress in a room for 20 people, and all the money sending home? Big capital makes super-profits on migrants and takes them offshore, while migrants take other part of this capital to their bantustans. Otherwise, the money would remain in the country's economy.

PS Well, if you meet a bunch of migrants in a dark alley, of course, remember about tolerance.

[cat Rusich]

Why did the Armenian SSR "leave" the USSR? - We thought "not staleness" = "manna from heaven". It turned out "independence" = "empty stomach" and "naked priest". Here the Jews do not complain, but live in the desert, they did everything with their own hands and protect their homeland and "do not whine" (the USA helps with money, but everything else with their own hands ...). About the lack of land for agriculture - the Incas in Peru made terraces on the slopes of the mountains, "plowed like Pope Carlo" ... However, in the event that Armenia is on the brink of a military catastrophe - really "return to the native harbor", but without " liberties "- as a simple Yerevan region. How many "blue streams" do not stretch to Turkey, and yet another "Russian-Turkish" war cannot be avoided ...

[Dude]

Because the Armenians in Armenia have nothing to do. The country is not suitable for living.

In Somalia, they say, life is even worse, so now let all the Somalis go to Russia?

[Horon]

Well then, the "multinational" did not sit in one country? They put up their fences, declared independence from the Russians, they said that without Russians they would live happily ever after! Do not replace hospitality and good-neighborly relations with tolerance!

[konstantinos kontogiannidis]

“Serpent believe more than Jew, trust more than Greek, but never trust an apian.”
George Orwell

[Alien From]

Madhouse ......., but no, information war.

[Tsoy]

Pashinyan said that he reserves the right to hit OTRK if the Turks break in.
And the Armenians are in the hands of talking about the F-16, since they were shot down over their territory, which means that the CSTO can intervene and provide support, which the CSTO itself clearly does not want.

[Astra55]

..then the CSTO can intervene and provide support ...

Where is the CSTO?
Yes, Carlson will fly from the roof faster to help the Armenians than, for example, Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan will send their troops to this war.

[Livonetc]

In Donbas, air conditioners were blown up by themselves.
Here mountains self-slam combat aircraft.
Like in their native land and mountains help.

[askort154]

Temples ....It is necessary to force these horsemen to agree. Without blood.

Dzhigits live to the north. And these are mostly buy and sell.

[donavi49]

Something fell. But it is not yet clear what. The parachute was filmed by Turkish television.

They write Armenian pilot ejects from Armenian fighter jet. The pilot was captured alive by Azerbaijani forces

But so far there are no other proofs.

[surf dude]

... "They crashed" ...
Somewhere I have already heard something similar ...

[Victorm]

Quote: donavi49

Something fell. But it is not yet clear what. The parachute was filmed by Turkish television.

They write Armenian pilot ejects from Armenian fighter jet. The pilot was captured alive by Azerbaijani forces

But so far there are no other proofs.

Video of Turkish journalists who happened to be witnesses, follow the link:
https://izle.az/embed/85364
The caption under the footage means "TWO Armenian planes crashed into the mountain. The footage of the pilots ejected."

Failed to fly at low altitude. And there is nowhere to go, they need to enter / exit the airspace of Azerbaijan on it, well, and act on it. MiG-29, not to be confused with the F-16 , constantly in the air, the air defense missile system is grazing - only the Armenian Su-25 nose from a low height and, due to the relief, will immediately stick out their hair. The leader and the led, walked in pairs, in pairs and entered one after the other "heroically repelling the attack of the Azerbaijani mountains and ramming them", I hope the rest are not cowards either and will also take the mountains to ram.

Well, remark, the Armenian Air Force in the skies over Karabakh is a direct and undisguised aggression of Armenia against sovereign Azerbaijan, we go and study the CSTO charter on the issue if one of the participants starts hostilities on his own. So the fables about the fact that he shot down the F-16, especially the pilot, let's say a Slav, and many could interpret it as they like, began to be told for a reason.

[K-36]

In the air - NOT the rescue parachute of the Su-25! Yes, and it hangs in the air for almost 3 minutes, practically without decreasing!?! Full crap Some kind of airy translucent ball is visible inside the dome. Divorce suckers, not proof ...

[Isim soyad]

Briefly, clearly and to the point. , they wanted to repeat, like ours in Karabakh, but it did not work, they did not fly, it would be very cool if they crashed into our territory.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: svoit

I wonder what is in Israel? Why did the Jews rush there so? Except for fish, probably nothing ...

Gas was found on the Israeli shelf in the Mediterranean Sea, and they are already planning a gas pipeline to the EU through Greece.

[Victorm]

Quote: surfdude

... "They crashed" ...
Somewhere I have already heard something similar ...

This is not the case. If in more, orders of magnitude better prepared Russian Air Force, one fighter knocks down the other during exercises, both are essentially brand new and cost the treasury not five kopecks, then what do you expect from the seedy Armenian Air Force? Moreover, there is not just the stress of the battle, but many additional restrictions and conditions, so it is not surprising that, having poor preparation, they made an ordinary mistake in piloting at low altitude.

[Victorm]

"He died repelling Azerbaijani attacks on military and civilian objects on the territory of the Republic of Armenia on a Su-25 attack aircraft. His plane was shot down on the morning of September 29 by one of the F-16 fighters of the Turkish Air Force, which was lifted into the air from the Ganja airfield in Azerbaijan. . "

Until now, the Armenian side is not appeased ... on the other hand, where are they now to go, the head of state has already fumbled everywhere, in other words, he read the number Pi, a few decimal places. Well, okay there is a head of the press service or his secretary, but the head of state does not befit, and even lie to the heads of other states.

So they will repeat about repelling attacks on the Su-25 attack aircraft and shot down him by the treacherous Turkish F-16 for a long time, but so long that, as usual, they themselves will begin to believe in it, and ten years later claim that this is a historical fact. Here, as always, the main thing is to lie a lot and without stopping.

Read more: https://en.armeniasputnik.am/karabah/20200930/24688122/Ya-otdal-syna-Rodine-16-let-nazad-o-pogibshem-letchike-Cu-25-rasskazali-ego-rodnye.html

[Victorm]

Quote: K-36

In the air - NOT the rescue parachute of the Su-25! Yes, and it hangs in the air for almost 3 minutes, practically without decreasing!?! Full crap Some kind of airy translucent ball is visible inside the dome. Divorce suckers, not proof ...

The SU-25 is equipped with a K-36L, respectively, a PSU-36 parachute, I wonder what is there in the video for you, since as the expert understands, you are free to navigate the question and are able to determine the type of parachute?

[K-36]

Especially for Victorm
The PSU-36 rescue parachute, installed in all K-36 seats, has never been (and never will!) Be pure white. For it was specially created with unmasking colors (well, so that in winter on the snow, or, conversely, in the sands of the desert). Does my Avatar mean anything to you? But in vain ... I have been reworking these PSU-sheks for 5 years (being the Chief of the PDS regiment), which is difficult to calculate. Three pilots ejected with parachutes of my packing (including the regiment commander, Zhilin Yu.V.), all survived. And then for 12 years I had to teach at the Courses of the beginning. The PDS of the Air Force aviation is just the discipline "Flight Crew Rescue Means", where the future beginners of the PDS chewed all the wisdom of seats, parachute rescue systems and NAZs. I hope I answered your question? Once again I affirm: the given proof - STATEMENT, I mean LAZHA.

[Victorm]

Quote: K-36

Especially for Victorm
The PSU-36 rescue parachute, installed in all K-36 seats, has never been (and never will!) Be pure white. For it was specially created with unmasking colors (well, so that in winter on the snow, or, conversely, in the sands of the desert). Does my Avatar mean anything to you? But in vain ... I have been reworking these PSU-sheks for 5 years (being the Chief of the PDS regiment), which is difficult to calculate. Three pilots ejected with parachutes of my packing (including the regiment commander, Zhilin Yu.V.), all survived. And then for 12 years I had to teach at the Courses of the beginning. The PDS of the Air Force aviation is just the discipline "Flight Crew Rescue Means", where the future beginners of the PDS chewed all the wisdom of seats, parachute rescue systems and NAZs. I hope I answered your question? Once again I affirm: the given proof - STATEMENT, I mean LAZHA.

Well, it's nice that he's not a couch general. And then the question is already frank, in the sense of asking yourself.

Under what conditions will Russia remain silent and neutral if the Turks shoot down an Armenian Su-25 piloted by an Armenian pilot? ...

Do we understand each other?

[Isim soyad]

Bingo!!! And + France with modern satellite systems.

[K-36]

H. Victorm... I cannot answer your question. This is the level of decision-making at the state level, that is, Big Politics. And I can only observe it from the sidelines and perceive it after the fact of the events. But my trust in the supreme leadership (at the moment) has dropped sharply. Something like this...

[Victorm]

Quote: Isim Soyad

Bingo!!! And + France with modern satellite systems.

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