Turkish Defense Ministry denies Yerevan's statements about downed Su-25 by Turkish F-16 fighter

Turkish information portals, as well as the Bloomberg information service, come out with publications dedicated to the statement of the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia. To remind, the press secretary of the Armenian defense department stated that the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force, having risen from the airfield in the Azerbaijani city of Ganja, shot down the Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armenian Air Force. The Armenian pilot, as noted in the message, had no chance to survive.

A note was published on the pages of Bloomberg with reference to the head of the communications department of the Turkish Defense Ministry, Fahrettin Altun. According to him, the Turkish aviation not used in a war zone. It is added that the reports of Yerevan that the Armenian Air Force plane was shot down by a Turkish fighter do not correspond to reality.

From comments to similar publications in Turkish media:

I fully admit that the Armenian air defenses themselves shot down their own plane, as happened in Iran. And now they will blame the Turkish Air Force. Let's wait a few days, and then they will be forced to admit that they lied.

Looks like a cheap propaganda move by the Armenian authorities

Earlier, the main defense department of Armenia said that a Turkish fighter attacked the Su-25 attack aircraft of the Armenian Air Force from the Azerbaijani airspace at an altitude of about 8200 m.

Comments

[Tank hard]

Let's wait for confirmation.

[LiSiCyn]

Azerbaijan said that the Su-25 was shot down by the MiG-29 of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, over the territory of Azerbaijan.
Hi Danil.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Azerbaijan said that the Su-25 was shot down by the MiG-29 of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, over the territory of Azerbaijan.
Hi Danil.

It remains to wait for the statements that the su 25 was shot down by the Russian Federation over the territory of Ukraine and the statements of the Russian Federation that the plane was shot down while crossing the Polish-Belarusian border and everything will fall into place and everything will become clear

[Misha Honest]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Azerbaijan said that the Su-25 was shot down by the MiG-29 of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, over the territory of Azerbaijan.
Hi Danil.

Well, he knocked down and knocked down ... What is the problem ... In war, as on a wife ... And on a wife as in a war ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Misha Honest

Well, he knocked down and knocked down ... What is the problem ... In war, as on a wife ... And on a wife as in a war ...

But I'm tired, the battle is over,
I take port, I go home

[genisis]

The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia have had a joint air defense system for several years. Who needs to know for sure whether it was an F-16 or a MiG-29 according to objective control data, and not from publications in the press.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: genisis

The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia have had a joint air defense system for several years. Who needs to know for sure whether it was an F-16 or a MIG-29 according to objective control data, and not from publications in the press

And since our people are silent, then there are no Turks there. Maybe there are no Azerbaijani fighters either. We wait.

[genisis]

Tell me, who are these "yours" and what do you think they should do if they are Turks? Not to be silent, but to shout out loud? Or shoot down everything that flies? Or to convene the UN Security Council?
I don’t know how yours, but the Russian military make decisions on the basis of objective control data. And to come up with statements, refutations, confirmations is not their prerogative, if the issue does not directly concern the RF Armed Forces, or the operations they carry out. In this case, there is no talk of the RF Armed Forces. Therefore, there will be no comments.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: genisis

Tell me who these "yours" are and what they should do in your opinion

Ours are our media. I believe that the Russian officials are at the TASS level.

[Tank hard]

Quote: genisis

The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia have had a joint air defense system for several years. Who needs to know for sure whether it was an F-16 or a MIG-29 according to objective control data, and not from publications in the press

There, in a neighboring branch, an Armenian (if I understood correctly) threw in such a thing that sympathy for Armenia simply evaporates. Especially the statement that Russia always threw Armenia was delivered. This is the post of death of Russian soldiers in the wars with Turkey, as a result of which a significant part of the Armenian people was saved. Well. if Russians are so bad and ungrateful, save yourself. I'm tired of it.

[Nastia makarova]

do not pay attention, most likely this is a troll for inciting hatred

[jovanni]

Quote: genisis

Who needs to know for sure whether it was an F-16 or a MiG-29 according to objective control data, and not from publications in the press.

Knows, but is silent ...

[Misha Honest]

Quote: genisis

joint air defense system for several years

[Tank hard]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Azerbaijan said that the Su-25 was shot down by the MiG-29 of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, over the territory of Azerbaijan.
Hi Danil

Stas, hello! Let's wait a bit, until there are many ambiguities.

[figwam]

An F-16 of the Turkish Air Force, having risen from an airfield in the Azerbaijani city of Ganja, shot down a Su-25 attack aircraft of the Turkish Air Force.

Pup ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Tank Hard

Let's wait for confirmation.

or refutations)

[halpat]

It's time to declare a no-fly zone over the territory of these two Caucasian mighty dwarfs.

[loki565]

Meanwhile, the Armenians shot down another An2, their campaign is sent in order to identify air defense points

[Hypertension]

Quote: loki565

Meanwhile, the Armenians shot down another An2

Do you like that joke ... "- Tell me, is it true that Katz won a million in the lottery?
- True. But not Katz, but Rabinovich. Not in the lottery, but in the cards. Not a million, but a hundred rubles. And he did not win, he lost. "
The video says that a helicopter was shot down. You wrote - An-2 and it really is on the video. But Azerbaijan does not have An-2, while Armenia does. And the speech in the video is similar to Azerbaijani, not Armenian.

[loki565]

Do you like that joke ... "- Tell me, is it true that Katz won a million in the lottery?
- True. But not Katz, but Rabinovich. Not in the lottery, but in the cards. Not a million, but a hundred rubles. And he did not win, he lost. "
The video says that a helicopter was shot down. You wrote - An-2 and it really is on the video. But Azerbaijan does not have An-2, while Armenia does. And the speech in the video is similar to Azerbaijani, not Armenian.

First, this video appeared on Armenian sources, then on Azerbaijani sources, with comments on the detection of air defense. And who uploaded it to YouTube, probably just wanted a clickable headline, they knocked down the cornman, it doesn't sound like it)))
https://vk.com/wall-2466663_1127748

[Nastia makarova]

Have you run out of drones for reconnaissance?)))))

[Trapp1st]

But it's not a fool for sure to start a war with the CSTO.

Are there some fools in the CSTO who dream of fighting Erdogan? And when we say CSTO, we mean Russia, and he has long ago tested the country's leadership for flexibility.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Trapp1st

But it's not a fool for sure to start a war with the CSTO.

Are there some fools in the CSTO who dream of fighting Erdogan? And when we say CSTO, we mean Russia, and he has long ago tested the country's leadership for flexibility.

Well, what did this flexibility of our country tell him, what do you think? The CSTO is not only Russia, but what is not?

[Trapp1st]

our country of Russia said.

We give you a stream, C 400, tourists and you won't be like that anymore. Do you know what he answered us? What do you think?

[nnm]

Observer, with all due respect. ... And how did we respond to the downed plane and the killed ambassador?

[Observer2014]

They saved Erdogan's life, and Armenia has a very large US embassy, ​​and rotten throwing with a multi-vector approach. And what to do with it?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Trapp1st

Are there some fools in the CSTO who dream of fighting Erdogan?

Is Erdogash such a local visor?
No one is going to fight with him, ... BUT, to put him in his place, and to remind which bucket it is, is a sacred thing.
As for the CSTO, while the hands of the Russian Federation are tied, due to the fact that it is still a LOCAL CONFLICT about the disputed territories. As soon as he turns into a full-scale war, Erdogash will squirm in the corners, like the entire Azeybardjan military clique.
In the meantime, Moscow is waiting, and Erdogash understands this very well and will do everything in order not to clash with the Russian Federation directly.
And if you start a song about NATO and the Straits ... so the sultan soberly understands that no one from NATO will intercede for him and he will be alone with the Russian Federation in this conflict.

[Trapp1st]

Nobody is going to fight with him

It is true, when they hit in the face, you must strictly declare so, and I am not going to fight! Dot.

[Nastia makarova]

we will give them weapons but let them fight ourselves

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

BUT, put it in its place

Let the Armenians put it ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Spade

Let the Armenians put it ...

Dear Lopatov, do you not know that our DEFENSE DOCTRINE was recently rewritten.
And now you are lying, or you don’t finish talking. Why?
It is clear that I don’t want to interfere, but excuse me, contracts must be observed, unlike the United States.
This is not only about the CSTO, but also about national interests in that region of Russia.
And I think you understand this perfectly.

[PSih2097]

Quote: NEXUS

This is not only about the CSTO, but also about national interests in that region of Russia.

in short, as a result, Georgians need to start throwing them out of the country ... because this is the only way to Armenia ...

[Voyager]

And what are our national interests there? All these years we have been trying to remain neutral in relation to the conflict, not wanting to lose relations with either Armenia or Ayzerbajan.

[RED_ICE]

Are you ready to send your son there to fight it is not clear for what and for whom?

[NEXUS]

Quote: RED_ICE

Are you ready to send your son there to fight it is not clear for what and for whom?

And who was ready to send their sons to Syria? The defense doctrine is based on the national interests of the state.
If the Turks get in there seriously, and we do nothing, a second Syria will appear at our borders. Ask yourself, do we need it?

[Oprichnik]

First of all, the Armenians must set their tails between their legs and cleanse foreign lands, and not create military tension for 30 years. Karabakh is a copy of Kosovo and Palestine. And here and there the aliens squeezed out, drove away, killed the local indigenous population, taking advantage of its peacefulness and disorganization, and then, when the locals decided to restore JUSTICE and demanded to free their lands, the impudent alien thieves shouted to the whole world: Save! And the result of this small-town arrogance can be a major military conflict with the participation of many countries, and thousands of uninvolved people and huge material costs - and it is NADI?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Trapp1st

Are there some fools in the CSTO who dream of fighting Erdogan?

In the CSTO, they are just hucksters instead of generals, that's all ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: Trapp1st

Are there some fools in the CSTO who dream of fighting Erdogan?

In the CSTO, they are just hucksters instead of generals, that's all ...

And rightly so.
And then somehow it turns out quite badly, Russia alone owes everyone.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Spade

it turns out not at all well, Russia alone owes everything.

It seems to be useless to explain here. Well, I want the next series of diseases, but with meat, but more, yeah. Again, there will be a reason to scream and whine here. They have just passed the stuffing-in, not the stuffing-in, and they already have the 3rd world war on the keyboard flares up. Damn it, such mold ...

[nnm]

Have you missed the site for an hour? Something I did not notice here lovers of meat, whine, etc. ..

[Nastia makarova]

you drown in all topics for the CSTO to intervene !!! why do you need it?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

you drown in all topics for the CSTO to intervene !!! why do you need it?

Nastya, I do not "drown" for this, it was not I who signed the CSTO treaty and it was not I who adopted the new defense doctrine. Treaties and treaties to comply with. Defense doctrine determines when it is possible and when it is not. Read the points of our doctrine and you yourself will understand everything.

Think about this ... if we don't interfere and the Turks and the Azeibarjans will crush the Armenians, where is there confidence that everything will end only in Karabakh? I don’t have such confidence, nor do you. Do you need a full-scale war near our borders, with all the delights of the ISIS type, Alkaida, Mattress PMCs, and so on?

[Nastia makarova]

I didn't write to you)))) Armenia has not even asked for the ODKB, weapons of course need help, but the soldiers are not needed, moreover, they have thousands of volunteers

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

of course you need to help with weapons, but you don't need soldiers,

Look at Syria ... put Armor for them, so what? With inept use, a good weapon turns into a heap of metal.

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Armenia has not even asked for an ODKB yet,

She will not ask until Azeybarjan and Turkey cross the borders of Armenia, only in this case the CSTO treaty will enter into force.

[Nastia makarova]

Everything is correct, so why are they already remembering ODKB?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Everything is correct, so why are they already remembering ODKB?

Because this is a military agreement on mutual assistance of the CSTO members.

[askort154]

"I fully admit that the Armenian air defenses themselves shot down their plane, as it happened in Iran ..."

And who expects Turkey to confess? The downing of the Russian Su-24 was also long denied.
The example of Iran is out of place. In the air defense of Armenia there is a system - "friend or foe". So the Turks - your excuse is not professional.

[astepanov]

Moreover, the title does not correspond to the essence of the matter. The Turks, in fact, do not deny, but only reject. So far, there is no evidence of their innocence.

[1976AG]

Here, only the General Staff of the Russian Federation can say what and how it was there.

[Misha Honest]

As they say - the Russian fighter met with the Russian attack aircraft ... And they decided ...

[TAMBU]

themselves ... somewhere it was already

[parusnik]

I fully admit that the Armenian air defenses themselves shot down their own plane, as happened in Iran.

.... "I'm not guilty, he came himself ..." (c)

[rocket757]

There will be many provocations ...
Everything was predicted in advance and adequate measures were proposed, BUT, small, proud people prefer to do multi-vector than think about the safety of their people.
And now, they may well go to ANY PROVOCATION !!! Faith them NO!

[nnm]

So the question is in the answer to these provocations ..

[Odysseus]

I already wrote that this is very strange news. Since the plane was allegedly shot down in the rear in Armenia itself. That is, Turkey, having an ideal situation from the point of view of international law (when the fight is for Karabakh, which is considered Azerbaijani), suddenly went crazy and attacked a sovereign state
In war, of course, anything happens, but it is more logical that
1) Su-25 was shot down by the Air Force or Air Defense of Azerbaijan.
2) Either completely lost for technical reasons or "friendly fire".
As for the question - where was it, the parties will blame each other ..

[parusnik]

1) Su-25 was shot down by the Air Force or Air Defense of Azerbaijan

... If only Azerbaijan would have already declared victory ... 2) Either it was completely lost for technical reasons or "friendly fire". Identity is not excluded .. But the option with Turkey does not disappear .. they are not crazy .. they are just being cautious, the world is at a crossroads, has not yet decided how to extinguish the conflict, he thinks .. The time will come, the Turks will still declare if the conflict continues ..

[Odysseus]

Quote: parusnik

... If Azerbaijan, would have already declared victory

According to the latest information, they said.

Quote: parusnik

..they are not crazy .. they are just being careful,

Not understood. Shooting down a military plane in the airspace of a foreign state can hardly be called caution Hypothetically, this is only possible if the Su-25 accidentally flew into the airspace of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, it is a direct act of aggression.

[parusnik]

I mean, they do not want to declare yet, because yes, a direct act of aggression, the Turks are not stupid. They will wait with such a statement. And if the conflict drags on, the alignment of forces is clear, they will participate in the conflict, you can say, then everyone will be on the drum. They will not condemn, they will make censure.

[Odysseus]

Quote: parusnik

I mean, they don't want to declare yet, because yes, a direct act of aggression, the Turks are not stupid. They will wait with such a statement.

There was an official reaction from Azerbaijan. They generally deny the shooting down. So the information about the MiG-29 is also fake from their point of view.
"In general, we advise the Armenian side to look at the radars. The radars clearly show which plane is taking off where and when. In the radar system of Azerbaijan, there is no information at all about the raising of a Su-25 plane from the territory of Armenia."

[Xenofont]

It has already been announced that a MiG-29 Azerbaijani Air Force shot down Sushka. Look away.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Here is an excuse for the Kremlin in order not to react to the situation.

[Blacksmith 55]

You don't know who to believe.
Especially in recent years, there is a problem with truthful information.
Somewhere elections have taken place - a refutation of the victory of one candidate, or of interference, must appear.
Poisoned (or not) a man, without proof someone claims their point of view.
The media should be punished for inappropriate information.

[uhu189]

Didn't the attack aircraft climb too high, 8200m above sea level? Not too much for him?

[Avior]

Too much.
But in Armenia they say that the F-16 was at this height, and the height of the Su-25 is not reported

[uhu189]

Yes, you are right, I misunderstood that the attack aircraft was at an altitude of 8200m

[Megatron]

Armenia is not at war with Azerbaijan?
NKR is fighting, what was the Armenian attack aircraft doing there?

[ROMAN VYSOTSKY]

In order to stop this war, the CSTO ultimatum and the deployment of one army corps in southern Dagestan are enough. Not nice, of course, but contractual obligations must be fulfilled. Otherwise, the whole world will laugh at us and the CSTO. And it will be necessary to forget about the influence on the former post-Soviet space.

[Krasnodar]

While the war is going on (officially) on the territory of Azerbaijan. Therefore, there is no reason for the deployment of troops in the CSTO. If someone attacks Armenia, that's another matter.

[Victorm]

Quote: Odyssey

I already wrote that this is very strange news. Since the plane was allegedly shot down in the rear in Armenia itself. That is, Turkey, having an ideal situation from the point of view of international law (when the fight is for Karabakh, which is considered Azerbaijani), suddenly went crazy and attacked a sovereign state
In war, of course, anything happens, but it is more logical that
1) Su-25 was shot down by the Air Force or Air Defense of Azerbaijan.
2) Either completely lost for technical reasons or "friendly fire".
As for the question - where was it, the parties will blame each other ..

Nobody knocked him down.
Does the Russian Federation have no radars and means to record everything there? The meaning of the Armenian dregs to retell and discuss? If the Turks were shot down, or in general who shot down, the RF Ministry of Defense would give information. Have you all forgotten about the Russian base in Armenia and about the Russian aviation in Armenia? There the modernized MiG-29s are Russian, they would not let them shoot down the plane, they are now 100% protecting the airspace of Armenia. Demonstration flights of Russian MiG-29s were performed over Yerevan, everyone there understood everything after that.
In the end, have respect for the Russian, own air force, do not hold them for suckers and cowards. Well, do not let the Armenians behave like suckers. If the Turks, like the Armenians, would shoot down the plane of the Armenian Air Force and the airspace of Armenia, wherever this mythical F-16 was, the MiG would have landed it.

If they have a Su-25, or a failure of technology, they do not know the trash when it was being repaired and modernized. Most likely, at the beginning, the pilot did it off from the sad thoughts of the kamikaze on takeoff, and then died of shame after realizing the warmth in his pants as he climbed. This is the end of the bird. Well, the Armenian Defense Ministry decided to play a wedding at the funeral at least, the musicians were paid anyway ...

[Charik]

Yes, they do not care - whether it is Armenian Su25 or Russian Su24

[Xenofont]

I think that our politicians, even possessing objective information, will not allow it to be published, so as not to "kindle" it. Just head in the sand ...

[K-50]

When will the Turks be lowered to the ground?
They still owe us their coffins for the Su-24 !!!

[Dangerous]

To whom is this "us" they owe? Judging by the newly opened tourism and multi-million dollar contracts, they have already paid off the debt. Gave it to anyone

[Charik]

you need to squeeze more of your tomatoes - and so today I heard how garbage on the market from a 90-year-old pensioner stole a purse, and there are 2k rubles in it - Voronezh region, about what kind of protection of neighboring states - in speech - when they rob their people of garbage

[ssergey1978]

But can su25 rise to 8200? Probably it is possible to monitor the air defense systems was the F16 in the given area, was it firing a missile or not.

[Avior]

8200 - height f-16 according to the statement of the Armenians.
They don't write anything about the height of the Su-25

[yehat2]

I have a bunch of questions for this episode.
1. Why was the instant-25 shot down from a distance, was it not covered by relief and interference?
2. If you knocked down a moment-29, then what? I'm not sure that Azerbaijan has a bunch of new missiles, but mostly close combat remains in the USSR warehouses
3. There are 2 moments - the moment the rocket is launched and the moment it hits. Was the Su-25 over Azerbaijani territory in both moments?
4. How was the goal identified?
5. If there was a missile launch from a distance, then it is highly likely that the moment-25 received information about this and could not get away from it. But why is it so? And the terrain, and the distance, and the car itself quite allowed to seriously fight for survival.
6. Why didn't the pilot have a chance? The plane is armored, equipped with a catapult, and the jets themselves provide decent protection for pilots if they hit from behind.
7. On a couple of articles, I read that the pilot had a Slavic appearance - most likely not a green novice.
It is very strange that he died.
And all this greatly influences the assessment of the situation.