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At the exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ATGM Javelin, during the demonstration to Zelensky, misfired

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At the exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ATGM Javelin, during the demonstration to Zelensky, misfired

The Javelin anti-tank missile system (ATGM), received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the United States, did not work on Wednesday during the United Efforts 2020 strategic exercises, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was watching them. This is reported by the Ukrainian media.


Javelin didn't fire, the rocket didn't fly. Perhaps this is an operator error, maybe something else, you need to figure it out

- said the commander of the operational command "Sever" Valery Zaluzhny, commenting on the misfire weapons.

Earlier, the office of the President of Ukraine announced Zelensky's visit to the Nikolaev region, where the "United Efforts-2020" exercises are being held in response to the Russian command and control system "Kavkaz-2020". At the same time, it was emphasized that Zelensky would be shown the work of the American Javelin complex.

In June of this year, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the receipt from the United States of a batch of FGM-148E missiles, which are considered the penultimate modification of this weapon. At the same time, it was asserted that "new missiles" were delivered. The latter is considered the FGM-148F, which first entered the United States Armed Forces only in May this year. For obvious reasons, Washington did not send the latest ATGM modifications for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

"New" rockets arrived in Ukraine on June 16. This was the first shipment of military cargo in the framework of the US government's pilot project "International Military Sales". A total of $ 27 million worth of Javelin missiles and additional equipment was delivered.

Recall that the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first batch of Javelin ATGMs and missiles for them from the United States in 2018. In total, the Ukrainian military received 37 launchers and 210 missiles. The US Congress approved the second delivery of missiles of the complex last year, the Ukrainian media announced the delivery of missiles for $ 40 million.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 September 2020 18: 12
    -11 qualifying.
    That is why so?
    As at a demonstration performance, so a misfire, but as a simple training battle between two fighters, even something that should not work? !!
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 23 September 2020 18: 32
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      That is why so?

      Because you have to think with your head and have critical thinking .. You are confusing a modern fighter with a Yak-3 .. The pilot of a modern fighter knows perfectly well how much and what he has in his bc ..
      1. Temples
        Temples 23 September 2020 19: 04
        12
        Zelenskiy is so cool that even a rocket was shot out of its nest. wassat
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 23 September 2020 19: 21
          +6
          Quote: Temples
          Zelenskiy is so cool that even a rocket was shot out of its nest.

          Well, he's a king ... laughing
        2. loki565
          loki565 23 September 2020 21: 48
          +7
          And if she flies out, everything around will be shot)))
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 23 September 2020 18: 38
      +5
      BC is always in the cannon, unlike missiles, they are removed. But the techies had to block the supply of the BC to the gun. The pilots, before the photo shot, had to shoot in a safe direction, make sure that the BC is blocked.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 23 September 2020 19: 06
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: newbie
        K is always in the cannon, unlike missiles, they are removed

        Ie you want to say that in battle .. the pilot of the drying should count the number of shots from the cannon ??
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 23 September 2020 23: 26
          +4
          What are you talking about now? I repeat once again: the attacking pilot had to make sure that the BC feed was blocked by a test shot to the safe side. And here are the shots? The presence of ammo in the gun is monitored by techies.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 24 September 2020 00: 34
            -2
            Quote: newbie
            And here are the shots? Z

            Ie you want to say that the presence and number of shots is not reflected in the pilot's indicator? If yes ... then you need to count ..
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 24 September 2020 03: 40
              0
              I'm talking about Cyril, you are talking about Myfody .. Yes, there is an indicator. The ammo gun is never removed. During training firing in close combat, the BC is blocked before departure, that is, there is no supply of a projectile to the gun. The indicator only shows the presence of ammunition, when a projectile is jammed or the ammo is blocked, the indicator does not work. And which side is the indicator here, why did you bump into it?
              laughing well, try to count at a rate of 6000 shots / min.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 24 September 2020 04: 05
                0
                [quote] [/ quote] got excited, of course 1500 rounds per minute, okay, confused with GSh23.
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 September 2020 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      That is why so?

      The "general effect" has not yet been canceled ... Although it may have played a bad role. Perhaps they trained for a long time and put the on-board battery, but they either could not replace it, or did not guess.
      In any case, spending $ 47 million from the Ukrainian budget on the purchase of these complexes, previously withdrawn from the US Armed Forces, has already begun to raise even more questions.
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 23 September 2020 20: 57
        +3
        At a recent meeting, Trump has already stated that Ukraine did not pay for these complexes (FGM-148 Javelin) and he "does not know if he will pay at all," in fact, it turns out that these are gratuitous deliveries at the whim of the State Department and the Pentagon, but for nothing, as they say, and the vinegar is sweet.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 23 September 2020 22: 44
        -2
        Why ... So, I think there is a minus and I understand that someone canceled the "general's effect" by their own will from the sofa.
        I understand children, they want the sun to always shine .. Children, all the same ...
    4. Clear
      Clear 23 September 2020 20: 10
      12
      Commander Zaluzhny: Javelin didn't fire, missile didn't fly.

      Do you know how many machine guns we have?
      Seven! No, six ...
      One bites, the other jumps up like crazy, and the third bastard shoots his own.
      And the seventh I secretly from the chieftain ataman traded for these pants.
      Wedding in Malinovka. Popandopulo


      Nothing changes in Ukraine winked
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 23 September 2020 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: Clear
        Nothing changes in Ukraine winked

        at the moment - Popandopulo would rise (so what, would rise to the level of the president (for the money ...)) from the word - absolutely ...
    5. Sly
      Sly 24 September 2020 07: 56
      0
      Well, not surprising - the rocket, which inside should have been sold long ago laughing
    6. seacap
      seacap 25 September 2020 12: 48
      +1
      You even have no idea what you are talking about, even if you saw the cockpit of a fighter and the weapon control system of a modern fighter in the picture? Before uttering supposedly clever thoughts, you should at least a little grasp the essence of the issue, as with the same Javelin, can you point by point and consistently say how many conditions must be met and how many operations must be performed for the missile launch command to pass?
  2. kventinasd
    kventinasd 23 September 2020 18: 17
    14
    The Javelin anti-tank missile system (ATGM) received by the US Armed Forces did not fire on Wednesday.
    Perhaps this is an operator error, maybe something else, you need to figure it out

    And maybe someone bought grenades of the wrong system, and maybe someone was sold illiquid assets. laughing
    Or maybe just monkeys shouldn't be given dangerous toys.
  3. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 September 2020 18: 18
    +3
    During exercises, different things happen and pop up. But the president came across such an operator, and when he saw him, he couldn't laugh out of it.
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  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 September 2020 18: 28
    +1
    The failure of the "wunderwaffe" will surely raise the morale of the troops. They only counted on "Darts" to stop the tank hordes of Buryat armored cavalrymen ... wassat
  6. iouris
    iouris 23 September 2020 18: 28
    -1
    This could be called the "presidential effect", but which one is the president?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 24 September 2020 04: 06
      0
      Judging by the photo, the one without a mask breathed on the Javelin and that's it - the Javelin died! fellow
  7. Mityasha
    Mityasha 23 September 2020 18: 33
    13
    At least minus, but our ATGMs are better than these javelins: one shot - one tank. They don't even miss out on exercises. Well the crew is alive ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 September 2020 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: Mityasha
      At least minus, but our ATGMs are better than these javelins: one shot - one tank. They don't even miss out on exercises. Well the crew is alive ...

      PTURA - yes, they are good. But with the TOURs, judging by the Army-2020, it really sucks.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 September 2020 19: 56
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        But with the TOURs, judging by the Army-2020, it really sucks.

        Come on .... They're great.
        Nobody knows how to just apply.
        Because the savings ...
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 23 September 2020 18: 35
    +2
    I don’t understand at all: why does a goat need a button accordion? laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2020 20: 47
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      I don’t understand at all: why does a goat need a button accordion?

      Goat the button accordion, and the Papuans "Jewelin", let them indulge, maybe they will shoot each other.
  9. dzvero
    dzvero 23 September 2020 18: 38
    0
    What is screwed up at the "dart", which is not noticeable for the time being and costs money? Did they take out all the filling of the rocket and turn it over to nonferrous metal?
  10. Coconut
    Coconut 23 September 2020 18: 41
    +2
    why do they have light masks ..? not talented wink
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 September 2020 18: 43
    -1
    Anwar Sadat could tell Zelenskiy about what “lucky” is.
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 23 September 2020 18: 47
    +8
    Technique in the hands of a savage - a pile of scrap metal (TM)
    That is why they are affectionately called Banderlog
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 23 September 2020 19: 26
      +3
      Only ak in the hands of a monkey shoots, but no rust.
  13. Rzzz
    Rzzz 23 September 2020 18: 54
    +5
    At the same time, it was emphasized that Zelensky will be shown the work of the American Javelin complex


    Well, that's demonstrated. Does not work.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2020 18: 59
    +1
    Each Ukrainian president has his own. For one, the guards faint, for some reason ... for another, the jabs do not shoot, for some reason too.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2020 20: 54
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      one of the guards fainted, for some reason ... at the other the jabs do not shoot, also for some reason.

      Well at least it didn’t work, but if only he shot back: that would be fun, eh Sumeria!
  15. Mimoxod
    Mimoxod 23 September 2020 19: 02
    +3
    It looks like the Yankees threw off Nikondishn Svidomo, the natives will do it laughing .
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 23 September 2020 20: 45
      +3
      So they were given so that the natives marched in parades. And those flooded to shoot from them.
  16. O. Bender
    O. Bender 23 September 2020 19: 23
    +1
    It's such a delay, you don't know from which hole and where it will fly.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 23 September 2020 19: 25
      +3
      Especially among such
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 September 2020 20: 55
        0
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Especially among such

        Okay, with Jewelin and ducks,
  17. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 23 September 2020 19: 24
    +1
    Though the hammer did not pull like a mortar.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 September 2020 19: 37
      +4
      It’s a pity that he didn’t rush. hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 23 September 2020 21: 57
        +2
        Quote: Captive
        It’s a pity that he didn’t rush. hi

        You never can tell wink
  18. venik
    venik 23 September 2020 19: 24
    +4
    ".....The Javelin anti-tank missile system (ATGM) received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the United States did not work on Wednesday during a strategic exercise "Joint efforts - 2020"..... "
    =========
    Lord! Even titles teachings - vassals trying to copy from the OWNERS !!!
    ---------
    "...At the same time, it was argued that "new missiles" were delivered. The last is considered the FGM-148F, which first entered the United States Armed Forces only in May this year. For obvious reasons, Washington latest modifications ATGM for the APU to send did not..... "
    =========
    Well who is vassalam Will you give the NEWEST technology? Here, according to the principle: "Toby is not good, sho me, you are not good!".....
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 September 2020 19: 36
    +5
    The gentlemen sent their servants overdue.
  20. Gato
    Gato 23 September 2020 19: 52
    +2
    Javelin didn't fire, the rocket didn't fly. Perhaps this is an operator error, maybe something else, you need to figure it out

    He got scared. What if with him like a piano belay
  21. Guber
    Guber 23 September 2020 20: 18
    0
    Javelin didn't fire, the rocket didn't fly. Perhaps this is an operator error, maybe something else, you need to figure it out

    Something else is obvious, it's not in vain that Zelensky has such sad and doomed eyes ..
    During the conflict (1982) between Argentina and Great Britain, for some reason the bombs and missiles did not explode when they tried to attack the Britons (they bought from the USA) ..
    Someone got drunk on marriage ..
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 September 2020 20: 35
      +1
      Someone did not check or set up the fuses during the exercises. smile
      And immediately went to war.
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 September 2020 21: 03
      +3
      There was no marriage
      They were used abnormally - from extremely low altitudes, the fuse spinner did not have time to unscrew, therefore some of the bombs did not explode.
      1. Guber
        Guber 23 September 2020 21: 22
        0
        Quote: Avior
        There was no marriage
        They were used abnormally - from extremely low altitudes, the fuse spinner did not have time to unscrew, therefore some of the bombs did not explode.

        Well, this is one of the versions, everything was very muddy there .. hi
        And the fact that these Javas did not shoot at the exercises is encouraging .. How many lives will be saved in the Donbas! hi
        In Ukraine, now the exercises are going on, how many NATO members have gathered there .. That is what is alarming!
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 September 2020 00: 17
          +1
          After the end of hostilities, the Argentine Air Force conducted an investigation to determine the reasons for such a high percentage of bomb failure. The following was found out.

          The Argentine Air Force used the Mark 82 bombs developed in the United States in the 1950s. The bomb has a nominal mass of 227 kg, but its actual weight may fluctuate depending on the modification. The body is made of metal, filled with 87 kg of explosives Tritonal (80% trinitrotoluene and 20% powdered aluminum).
          The design of the bomb provided for the installation of a fuse fuse on the nose of the bomb. The fuse was a cap with blades, which was bolted to the body. When the bomb fell from a height, the blades were unwound by the oncoming air flow, thereby unscrewing the bolt. After a certain number of revolutions, the bolt was unscrewed and the fuse fell off. The height at which the fuse should fall off, as you might guess, could be set with a screwdriver, adjusting the number of revolutions by which the bolt was screwed into the body.

          However, the realities of the spring of 1982 made their own adjustments to the practice of bombing Argentine pilots. SAMs of the Royal Navy - all these Sea Dart, Sea Cat, Sea Wolf and even the ancient Sea Slug - had a significant impact on aviation tactics: their presence forced the Argentine aviation to abandon attacks at high altitudes (where the Argentine Skyhawks and Super Etendars could twist less maneuverable British "Harriers") and carry out only low-altitude attacks. The Argentines chose the tactic of low-altitude approaches, skipping "under the radar" - appearing from beyond the horizon only at the last moment before the strike. The problem was that the fuses of their bombs were not designed to be dropped from a height of 20-30 meters and the fuses simply did not have time to turn enough to be charged.

          known problem. bombing at ultra-low altitudes is dangerous for the carrier aircraft, since the bomb reaches the target when the carrier has not yet entered the safe zone.

          With regard to the Mk-82 bomb, there is a special version with anti-fall and anti-fall stabilizers,
          When bombing at low altitudes, the delivery aircraft can be damaged by the explosive and fragmentation effects of its own ammunition, since the aircraft and the ammunition reach the target almost simultaneously. To solve this problem, the standard Mk 82 general purpose bomb can be equipped with a special high-resistance tail assembly. In this configuration, it is referred to as the Mk 82 Snakeye.

          The tail unit has four folded keels, which, when the bomb is fired, straighten into a cruciform shape. The ribs increase the resistance of the bomb, slowing its advance and allowing the delivery plane to fly safely over the target before the bomb detonates.

          but the Argentines had standard bomb variants unsuitable for ultra-low altitudes.
          the Argentines had a problem - they bought Mark-82 bombs, but they did not have Snake Eye kits for them.
  22. orionvitt
    orionvitt 23 September 2020 20: 44
    0
    As required. laughing
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 September 2020 20: 58
    +3
    The Chinese chip has burned out.
  24. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 23 September 2020 21: 04
    +4
    Quote: a.hamster55
    During exercises, different things happen and pop up. But the president came across such an operator, and when he saw him, he couldn't laugh out of it.

    Charged incorrectly. The shovel scoop should be parallel to the ground, in this case it will fly further due to the use of the scoop's lifting force.
  25. Avior
    Avior 23 September 2020 21: 09
    +1
    They write that the trigger did not work
    Or some kind of blocking was not removed, the fighter was worried, they probably wound up with distractions, in the army, at the sight of the authorities, this is a common thing, I remember, one general somehow tore the handles from a closed UAZ because of a jit smile
    Or with the power supply of the problem - the battery is discharged, with the trigger we trained for sure, prepared for launch in front of the authorities, the problem is known.
    1. agoran
      agoran 23 September 2020 21: 29
      0
      Generally not cheap weapons, so I doubt that there was an ordinary soldier there.
      Not an ATGM specialist, but in aviation, after arriving from the armament depot, the missiles were checked at the RPPR (missile preliminary preparation point), then they were suspended aboard and checked for mating.
      There is an obvious jamb or storage, or not checking before use, perhaps there should be a self-test before starting.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 September 2020 21: 54
        +2
        Certainly not an ordinary fighter. But the contract sergeant could have been admitted.
        Or, alternatively, overtraining before shooting.
        There is not a problem in the rocket, if it is true what they write, but in the trigger.
        Probably used for training without launches, as it happens.
  26. maktub
    maktub 23 September 2020 21: 41
    -4
    Article to raise "hurray-patriotism"
    Is there a speck in someone else's eye? laughing
    1. agoran
      agoran 23 September 2020 21: 47
      -1
      If you are interested in a mote, create a topic, and comment there.
      Here's a monkey theme with FGM-148 Javelin.
      1. maktub
        maktub 23 September 2020 22: 40
        0
        Recently I saw one monkey with "Arrow" in the video, so at least the trigger worked there, everyone had fun
  27. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 September 2020 21: 45
    0
    They waited - they were waiting for these "javelins", like manna from heaven, and here such a setup))) or mattress covers, as usual, sold rotten goods to the suckers?))))
    1. agoran
      agoran 23 September 2020 21: 57
      0
      Here hz.
      It is highly likely that the descendants of the ancient Sumerians violated the storage conditions, periodic work, etc.
      1. AML
        AML 23 September 2020 22: 34
        0
        Most likely Boska was turned on before.

        That's so chykh puff and minus 200 mowers.
  28. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 23 September 2020 22: 48
    0
    Maybe with a "fuse stop "not removed? - and the Americans" forgot to say repeat "where is the fuse ... yes
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 24 September 2020 06: 50
      0
      "About the button" from the movie "5th element:
  29. maktub
    maktub 23 September 2020 23: 08
    -6
    We are discussing crap here, but in Minsk the clashes after the "secret" inauguration
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 September 2020 16: 51
      0
      Yes, put everyone on them.
      1. maktub
        maktub 24 September 2020 17: 02
        -1
        That's for sure! Well at least so far everything is more or less bypassed
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  31. zwlad
    zwlad 24 September 2020 09: 14
    0
    Not otherwise than the gunpowder damp. Or instead of rockets, the Yankees slipped dummies.
  32. NF68
    NF68 24 September 2020 16: 15
    0
    And here the GDP is personally to blame?
  33. seacap
    seacap 25 September 2020 12: 42
    0
    And in the field, at the training ground, in the fresh air, why are these masked clowns (like ours often, by the way). Not an indicator, recently ours, too, to put it mildly, did not quite successfully shoot with guns at the "show" in front of all honest people. technology, there is technology, and the human factor is present throughout the world.
  34. iouris
    iouris 25 September 2020 20: 11
    -1
    Backward American technology and Ze with a friendly team.