"Battle Shouts and Dances": Indian Media on the Power of the Chinese Army

Given the PLA's lack of combat experience, it is difficult to judge the level of skill of the Chinese military in the event of a real combat clash. The experience of the recent confrontation clearly does not flatter the PRC army.

Shouts and dances

This opinion was voiced by expert Madhav Nalapat on the pages of the Indian edition of The Sunday Guardian. According to him, "the boastful exclamations of the Chinese media" concerning the supposedly combat power of the PLA can be safely ignored. Similar to how Indiana Jones did when a warrior with a saber pranced in front of him, eventually being shot.

Or think of the Maori fighting dance, shouting out sounds to intimidate their opponents. In the case of New Zealand and used by European settlers weapons, the effect for the Maori was fatal

- the expert writes, believing that a number of materials in the PRC media resemble useless dances and shouts of aborigines.

According to him, since Xi Jinping came to power, a campaign has been launched to create an image of the PLA's invincibility. It is possible that the command of the Chinese army, which received trillions of yuan, already believed in this propaganda.

They [high-ranking PRC military] should study historical examples including failed NATO campaigns against the Taliban in Afghanistan or against Bashar al-Assad in Syria

- Nalapat believes.

All you need is will

As he notes, there is not such a small difference between exercise and real combat:

Given the PLA's lack of combat experience, it is difficult to judge the skill level of its soldiers.

According to the expert, the PRC is under a real threat of maximum rapprochement between India and the United States:

Preventing this is one of the top priorities for the troika of Moscow, Rawalpindi [the former capital of Pakistan] and Beijing, as well as those fooled by them in Washington and Delhi.

According to Nalapat, if these "fools" cannot keep the Indian military from striking an adequate strike, then China will face serious problems:

It is unlikely that they [Indian soldiers] will take the war cries and dances of the PRC media warriors seriously.

As Nalapat notes, it is time to put an end to the "masochism of the political and administrative elite", which constantly leads to the surrender of their positions at the negotiating table.

In combat, not only the mathematics of equipment and resources is important, but also the chemistry of combat. What ensures victory is the will and determination of the soldier in battle, as well as the confidence and courage of the political establishment, which should support the military, not contain them.

- the expert concludes.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

Well, who would talk about screaming and dancing ..

[Senka naughty]

watch from 1:30 minutes, are you talking about that?
Or about the Indian army?
Their bayonet fight is the strongest, with shouts and screams. The battle cry is relevant even in the 21st century. If you are not familiar, watch the videos of the protests in Belarus.

[krot]

Given the PLA's lack of combat experience, it is difficult to judge the skill level of its soldiers.

The Hindus have a richer experience of combat skills than the Chinese.))) For some reason, they are unsurpassed masters in dancing) They have an army similar to dance)))
The maneuvers at the cannon resemble the dance of little swans by Tchaikovsky))))

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: krot

The Hindus have even richer experience of combat skills than the Chinese.)))

Well, it did not work out for the Chinese with military victories in the last century. It's true. And what can the Indians boast of? The uprising of the sepoys, which, despite their terrible beards and terrifying screams and dances, the British scattered like peas. Here is who would talk about the ostentatiousness of the PLA, and the Indians would be silent ... Their Mithun Chakraborty in the movie crushes enemies more abruptly than Rambo and Bruce Willis combined. But in reality - where are the Indian military victories?

[unhappy]

Well, it did not work out for the Chinese with military victories in the last century.

The People's Republic of China appeared after the victory of the PLA over Chiang Kai Shi (not a weak enemy), no? In North Korea, they also noted (how many Americans died there?)
I wouldn't giggle ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: unhappy

Well, it did not work out for the Chinese with military victories in the last century.

The People's Republic of China appeared after the victory of the PLA over Chiang Kai Shi (not a weak enemy), no? In North Korea, they also noted (how many Americans died there?)
I wouldn't giggle ...

First of all, I spoke about the Opium Wars and the Japanese occupation. And what you are talking about is an incorrect example. The first is Chiang Kai Shi - a war, in fact, a civil war. And Korea - don't discount the Soviet Union, which not only armed the Chinese, Vietnamese, and Koreans, but also took an active part in the conflict. And with the samurai, look at how the Chinese fought - ANY battle, take the statistics where the Japanese won - the forces of Japan were at least twice inferior to the Chinese. So with the Chinese victories personally, the PLA is somehow still difficult. Only here, in the place of the Hindus, I would not be ironic about this. We can - we are Russians.

[unhappy]

Well, it didn't work out for the Chinese with military victories in recent centuries

- your words.
Chiang Kai Shi fought with Japan, his soldiers were not so motivated. In Korea, there weren't ours on earth, and (victory or at least a draw) this is the merit of the infantry, without it there is no way!

[gsev]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And with the samurai, look at how the Chinese fought - ANY battle, take statistics,

The Empire of Japan, after an active offensive on Shanghai and Nanjing, was drained of blood and after that led the offensive cautiously and on a limited scale against the Chinese. The Chinese ground forces showed themselves to the Japanese no worse than the British, Dutch, and US models until the end of 1943. And the Japanese beat the Red Army before Khasan and especially Khalkhin-Gol in conflicts on the border. You can name the countries that entered hostilities with China in the 20th century and forced the Chinese troops to end the battles with a retreat from the positions from which the Chinese troops began fighting.

[militarist63]

What are you! And give the facts, be so kind, where is it and when it was -

Yes, and the Japanese Red Army before Khasan and especially Khalkhin-Gol in conflicts on the border beat

[gsev]

Quote: militarist63

And give the facts, be so kind, where is it and when it was

On November 26, 1936, at the section of the Turiy Rog outpost in Primorye, military clashes took place between our border guards and the Japanese army.
On June 30, 1937, the Japanese fired at Soviet ships on the Amur and reported to their command about the sinking of 2 Soviet armored boats.
According to the Soviet border guards, one armored boat was sunk by artillery fire, the gunboat was damaged, and the Red Navy men were killed and wounded. By order of the commander of the Special Far Eastern Army, Marshal V.K.Blyukher, the Amur flotilla was sent to the place where the boat was sunk to control its lifting and towing, and two battalions with a battery of 152-mm guns were concentrated on a dangerous direction, which, if necessary, had to cover actions of the flotilla. Already on June 30, the People's Commissariat for Foreign Affairs declared the most energetic protest, drawing attention to the fact that the initiator of the shelling was the Japanese side, and the Soviet one received only material losses and human casualties. Both sides brought up additional forces to the area of ​​collision, but did not dare to use them.
The fighting with the Japanese was really difficult. Soviet propaganda embellished the exploits of the Red Army in these battles. Against the background of the events of Khasan, Khalkhin Gol and the Great Patriotic War, the events of those battles and information about their participants are difficult to find on the Internet. For example, newspapers wrote in 1930 about the heroes of the Kochetkovites. In 1942, on the outskirts of Stalingrad, other Kochetkovites entered the battle in a more difficult situation and conducted it in a more efficiently organized and courageous manner.

[militarist63]

Dear, I know very well about these two local border conflicts! So what? Maybe the "samurai" captured some territories, or defeated some military units of the Red Army ?! Note that these are all border clashes, with local skirmishes and attempts by the Japanese to penetrate our territory ... There were no full-scale hostilities, because this could lead to a declaration of war! At the same time, from our side, in all these conflicts (and if you are not aware of them, from the beginning of the 30s to 1938 ... several hundred occurred on the Soviet-Chinese border !!!), as a rule, the Border Guards acted ..., and against the units of the Kwantung Army (as you yourself wrote, in the case of 26.11.1936/XNUMX/XNUMX) !!! If units of the Red Army (the same Red Army that were allegedly beaten) entered the business, then the Japanese had no chance at all!
About yours:

On November 26, 1936, at the site of the Turiy Rog outpost in Primorye, military clashes took place between our border guards and the Japanese army

So you said "A", so you say "B"! And do not copy texts from the Internet! Tell us in more detail what was there and who beat whom!
Do not know? So I'll tell you!
"No. 539
From the message of the Main Directorate of Border and Internal Security of the NKVD to the instance about an armed clash between Soviet border guards and the Japanese at the Turiy Rog outpost section
November 26 1936 city
November 26 at 10 o'clock (Khabarovsk time) the frontier detachment of the Turiy Rog outpost, consisting of four fighters with one light machine gun under the command of the head of the outpost Afanasyev, reached the Pavlov hill, where he noticed three Japanese soldiers. Seeing the approach of the outfit, the Japanese soldiers rushed to the border line. One of the three soldiers was killed by the fire of our detachment in our territory 50 meters from the border line, and two others fled to Manchu territory.
The frontier detachment occupied the Pavlov Hill and came under fire from the side of the Japanese-Manchurian group located in the Manchurian territory, 800 m north-west of Pavlov Hill.
To the place of the collision were thrown: from the Turiy Rog outpost - 20 bayonets with 4 light machine guns in a car, from the Grushevaya outpost - 11 sabers with 2 light machine guns, from the Pervomaisk outpost - 20 bayonets with 2 light machine guns. All groups arrived at Pavlova Hill at 13:XNUMX. and entered the subordination of the commandant of the site Fedorov.
Simultaneously with this, a group of 28 bayonets with a light machine gun under the command of the vrid commandant of the area Ivanov occupied a collective farm hut, which is 6 km southeast of Pavlov's hill ...
At 14 o'clock. 15 minutes. the Japanese-Manchus opened rifle, machine-gun and grenade-launcher fire on Pavlov's hill. In total, 10 grenades were fired, which exploded with a gap of 50 m to the location of our units. The intermittent fire lasted for about an hour. The border guards did not return fire.
The observation established that 5 vehicles with soldiers proceeded to the Manchu outpost of Dodintszy (opposite the Pavlov Hill) in the direction from Danzahe. A cavalry platoon arrived in Fanza, which is west of the Pavlov Hill ...
Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of Border and Internal Security of the NKVD of the USSR, Divisional Commander Kruchinkin "
"No. 540
From the message of the Main Directorate of Border and Internal Security of the NKVD to the instance about a military clash between Soviet border guards and the Japanese-Manchus at the Turiy Rog outpost
November 26 1936 city
At 16 o'clock. 20 minutes. On November 26, 1936, a Japanese-Manchu group of 7 people. crossed the border line to the south of the letter "L" stamp and plunged into Soviet territory 200 m. Under our machine-gun fire, 4 people. from this group fell (according to the observation of the outpost commander, two of them were killed, and two lay down or, possibly, were wounded). The other three fled across the cordon. From the Japanese-Manchu side, continuous rifle-machine-gun and grenade-launcher fire continues.
At 16 o'clock. 55 minutes a group of Japanese-Manchus with a force of about 20 people. approached the border line (at a distance of about 200 m south of Pavlova hill, 1000 m south-west of the letter "L" stamp and 700 m from the border line to the east). The group, in order to cover the left flank of our location, tried several times to cross the border, but each time with the fire of our machine guns it was thrown back into Manchu territory, from where it continued to fire at our location from the border line itself and from behind the cordon. Our units did not fire on Manchu territory.
With the onset of darkness, the fire on both sides ceased.
Among the Japanese-Manchus, there are casualties in killed and wounded. The exact number has not been established. Our losses: 2 were killed - the squad leader Slepov and a cadet (surname has not yet been established) of the Red Army support unit, 4 were wounded - the head of the reserve outpost Demchenko, border guards Pidpletsko, Panfilov and a cadet of the Red Army support unit Bulgakov. A bullet pierced the casing of a heavy machine gun ...
Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of Border and Internal Security of the NKVD of the USSR, Divisional Commander Kruchinkin "
"No. 541
From the description of the battle of the Soviet border guards with the Japanese on the Pavlov hill of the Turiy Rog outpost section
November 1936
... At 23 o'clock. 15 minutes. On November 26, more than a Japanese battalion, like locusts, with shouts of "Banzai", swooped down on Pavlova Sopka and attacked a group of border guards, numbering about 50 people. A hand-to-hand fight ensued. The Soviet border guards did not flinch this time either, they behaved like true patriots of the Motherland, selflessly defended every inch of Soviet land. The battle lasted about 30 minutes. Each border guard, having 10-15 Japanese in front of him, fighting surrounded, did not surrender to the enemy in this mortal battle; making their way with a bayonet and a grenade, they left the encirclement and took up another defensive line, and with the approach of support, the uninvited guests were again thrown back from Soviet territory ... "
"No. 554
From the certificate of the Main Directorate of the Border and Internal Security of the NKVD on the exchange with the Japanese of the corpses of those killed during military clashes near the Pavlov Hill
17 February 1937 city
On February 16, 1937, at the 117-118th km of the Far Eastern Railway, an exchange of corpses of soldiers of the Japanese Army and the Red Banner Border Guard of the Far East killed during border clashes took place. The Japanese handed over the corpses of the Red Army soldiers Baranov and Panchenko, killed and captured by them in a clash near the Pavlova hill on November 26, 1936. From our side, 8 corpses were handed over (including the corpse of Captain Higashi Mijiro), captured by our border guard on November 24, 1936 during a clash with the Japanese at the stamp number 20, as well as one corpse, captured by us at the Pavlov hill on November 26, 1936 ..... "
And who beat whom?
Why don't you give other cases of those years (out of several hundred), where, as you say, "the Japanese beat the Red Army" ??!
For example such- On January 30, 1936, two Japanese-Manchu companies crossed the border at Meshcheryakova Pad and penetrated 1,5 km into the territory of the USSR before being pushed back by border guards. The losses amounted to 31 Manchu soldiers and Japanese officers killed and 23 wounded, as well as 4 killed and several wounded Soviet border guards. On November 24, a horse-mounted detachment of 60 Japanese crossed the border in the Grodekovo area, but came under machine-gun fire and retreated, losing 18 soldiers killed and 7 wounded, 8 corpses remained on Soviet territory ...

[gsev]

Quote: militarist63

I know very well about these two local border conflicts! So what? Maybe the "samurai" captured some territories, or defeated some military units of the Red Army ?!

You are given only 2 cases of clashes. In one case, only the USSR suffered losses in the number of ships and people, as the Soviet diplomat admitted. Can you give examples of conflicts, besides Khalkhin Gol, with Japanese troops, where Japanese losses exceeded Soviet ones and this was confirmed by Japanese data. Hasan impressed the Japanese with the massive use of aircraft and artillery by the Red Army. However, the Japanese had less artillery, and the infantry were able to inflict very heavy losses on the Red Army. I just wanted to remind you that in difficult conditions with a strong enemy, at the cost of great stress, the Red Army in the Far East could not immediately frighten the Japanese military.

[hrych]

Shi tea is the same Chinese In Korea, the tail was kicked to the Chinese, if it were not for the pilots of Ka Zhe Oak, there would be longing, sadness. Both Koreas have comparable losses. But the troops of the alliance lost 40 thousand killed and 100 thousand wounded, but the PRC traditionally lost from 400 thousand total losses to a million who died (according to the West, and who counts them). Given that the war ended in a draw. In this war, the rest have a draw, but the defeat of the Chinese, taking into account the losses, of course. At that time, the PLA army was virtually destroyed. There was no one to seize Taiwan. Unfortunately, Stalin died and the war was immediately stopped. The Chinese were offended by the Union, which saw meat in it, went with a bow to the West and betrayed the USSR. These are all consequences of the Korean War.

[unhappy]

By your logic, the Russians kicked the tail, how much did we lose per one German?
The Chinese got into the war when the US coalition forces approached the China-Korea border. They suffered heavy damage, but retained the sovereignty and territory of North Korea - they completed the task! And you write about asses

[unhappy]

There is no reasonable answer, we put a minus. Gentlemen minusers, you like in a joke "... man, you know ..."

[hrych]

Let's start with the fact that the most knowledgeable person in the USSR, and perhaps in the world, namely Joseph Stalin. In March 1946, Stalin said in an interview with the Pravda newspaper: "As a result of the German invasion, the Soviet Union irrevocably lost in battles with the Germans, as well as as a result of the German occupation and the hijacking of Soviet people to German penal servitude, about seven million people." Those. including civilians. This figure was confirmed then by the Americans, the only thing was voiced not about (i.e. a little less), but more (a little more). And Germany lost more than seven million military personnel on the Russian-German front alone. Another half a million corpses of the German allies. And the 20 million that Khrushch voiced, spitting on Stalin and hanging losses, came not from thin air, but from Goebbels's libel. Liberoids in the nineties, and this seemed not enough, at first they raised to 42, or even to 50 million, but they were explained that it was already too much. They agreed on 27 million. Those. Goebbels' figure, plus Stalin's figure.

[AntonR7]

the Germans lost a total of 7 million soldiers. where did they get that such losses on our front?

[hrych]

But because on other fronts, the Germans had minimal losses. Also, the loss of civilians in Germany is also small. We gave up quickly. Konigsberg and Berlin resisted, and Dresden was also bombed. Mirnyak lost a hundred or two thousand. Therefore, only 7,4-7,5 and military 7,1 from the Russian hand are quite logical and correct.

[unhappy]

Are you talking to yourself? I mean the implementation of the task set by the leadership. Well sorry to bother you

[hrych]

Good. When the Victory, then the victory is not subject to appeal. In addition to unconditional surrender, a victory can be called the seizure of lands, the overthrow of the regime and the establishment of one's own. It is also considered a victory to repel the aggressor. Moreover, the winner often suffers more losses in soldiers, because often the defeated fights on the defensive. But when the war ends in a draw, then they look and count the losses. Well, they look who started. Those. when the North Koreans attacked, i.e. crossed the border, then the South Koreans, who did not eventually cede their lands, can also be considered the Winner, because the aggressor was repulsed. Therefore, the Finnish war is our victory, for the lands were squeezed out, albeit with more losses than the Finns. But in Korea, then, and the aggressor did not achieve anything and lost much more. With regards to the Chinese, it's a complete rout.

[unhappy]

For me (and, I suppose, for other people as well) "complete defeat" creates the concept of victory, the destruction of all enemy forces. The winner can slowly establish control over the territory, control over the border. He will not dig trenches in the center of the country - 38 parallel, if not course

[hrych]

Stalin gave an interview to the newspaper Pravda, and here is a leaflet for you - the creation of the Goebbels diocese, so as not to be unfounded. As if 7 million is a small figure, imagine seven cities with a million inhabitants dead, no liars are not enough. It is necessary to smear the Great Victory led by Stalin with blood, with the envious unbroken Trotskyist - Khrushchev, and later with the unfinished grandchildren of the Trotskyists - the liberals

[forester1971]

The ratio of precisely the combat losses of the USSR and Germany with satellites (Hungary, Romania) is approximately 1,1 to 1,0. If anyone has been kicked, as you write, it is to ordinary civilians through concentration camps, hunger, executions, etc.

[smart fellow]

US casualties in the Korean War amounted to about 150 killed. They deducted all the dead and missing in hospitals. Then it was divided by 3.
In the American doc. In the film Korean War in color, the presenter tells how, approaching the Chinese border, the Americans stumbled upon several execution sites with thousands of dead American soldiers. The fact is that China did not officially participate in the war, and American prisoners of war captured by the Koreans in China would have been released. Therefore, before crossing the border river Tumangan, KPA soldiers shot the captive Americans and British.
The presenter goes on to describe how the hearts of the American military were filled with rage. But then, in a couple of nights, 100 thousand Chinese soldiers crossed the Tumangan and the hearts of the Americans were filled with fear. They ran back even faster than advancing. Two American divisions with allies did not manage to escape and were pinned to the sea. The allies were saved by the guerrilla tactics used by the Chinese troops, the commanders there were the former commanders of the partisan detachments and the 8th Communist Army of China. For 3 days all were taken out by sea.

[smart fellow]

By the way, according to the Americans, the Koreans treated the captive Americans well. They didn’t beat me and gave me good food. The DPRK documentary shows a scene of a prisoner exchange. American prisoners of war cheerfully climbed out of the trucks, and Korean prisoners of war barely moved and many were carried or supported by comrades. The favorite pastime of American soldiers was apparently throwing stones at prisoners of war - this was filmed by American military journalists. I don’t know how the prisoners were fed, but it seems that they didn’t treat them very well, judging by the film frames.

[gsev]

Quote: hrych

In Korea, the tail was kicked to the Chinese, if it were not for the pilots of Ka Zhe Oak, there would be longing, sadness.

Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Kapitsa wrote that the Chinese fought so successfully that the USSR could not enter the DPRK to stabilize the front 4 Soviet tank divisions prepared in case of the inability of the Chinese infantry to defeat and push back American tanks to Seoul ...

[hrych]

I don't know what Kapitsa is talking about, but the USSR did not veto the UN resolution on Korea. For with the troops of the PRC and the DPRK fought a UN coalition with a mandate. The USSR did not officially participate in the war. The USSR would not have thrown any tank divisions anywhere, especially since there was a threat of nuclear war. To stop the war for the USSR was a snap of two fingers and the right to veto.

[gsev]

Quote: hrych

To stop the war for the USSR was a snap of two fingers and the right to veto.

The veto did not rid Syria of the Turkish and American occupation. After 1945, the United States sometimes used the Kuril Islands as training grounds for its bomber aircraft. During the Korean War, air battles between Soviet and American pilots took place over Europe. It is military power that determines the effectiveness of a great power's veto. Before the Korean War, the United States was very frivolous in assessing the military power of the PRC and the USSR.

[unhappy]

grunt (grunt)
23 September 2020 17: 38

+1
I don't know what Kapitsa is talking about, but the USSR did not veto the UN resolution on Korea. For with the troops of the PRC and the DPRK fought a UN coalition with a mandate. The USSR did not officially participate in the war. The USSR would not have thrown any tank divisions anywhere, especially since there was a threat of nuclear war. To stop the war for the USSR was a snap of two fingers and the right to veto.

And indeed, who is Kapitsa? Deputy Minister of the USSR, but ugh at him! Comrade "Hrych" knows more. A deaf ear of information about a trained group of forces with 4 tank divisions, a deafening question about the priority of a combat mission. Do you understand how the readers of the site evaluate your behavior?
Let me remind you that this is not Malakhov's show

[hrych]

And who are you? Why are you cooler than me? Behavior? And who raised my rating to Marshal? Aren't they site readers? If Israelis, ukrobots and liberals massively minus me, all the more my rating is valuable. Not the point. Keeping military forces on the border with a belligerent state is logic. To intervene in the conflict, no one Kapitsa makes a decision, but only Stalin's personal prerogative. Moreover, not even a minister, but a deputy, of whom there are dozens of ministers. I repeat, the USSR is not a party to the conflict, the USSR did not go against the UN. Instead of a veto, our permanent representative simply did not appear at the meeting of the UN Council. A blow to the Americans, as members of a coalition of UN troops, would inevitably lead to war. And the war with the use of nuclear weapons, even the Americans had a plan and the bombing of the centers of the entire USSR. At that time we did not have parity, at least quantitatively, in nuclear warheads by the start of the war. We only had a few bombs. Yes, by the end of the Korean War, our situation had improved, at least there were means to prevent the Superfortress mission. In 1950, the development of the first ICBM had just begun; by 1953, only a preliminary design was ready. The R-7 will fly only in 1954. Before that, the problem was to attack the territory of the United States at all, of course they were preparing a jump airfield in the Arctic ... Moreover, these same flying fortresses were supposed to attack the United States. But we have Migi, and they have Sabers. The chances of breaking through are zero. Therefore, Kapitsa the dumbass and Stalin did not consult with him, he does not even recognize him by sight. And if we were to fight the Americans, then the USSR would first of all start a war not for Korea, but naturally in Europe. Therefore, read Kapitsa, although I have not read him and I am sure that he did not present it as the blogger wrote. First you need to check the commentator. Then read Kapitsa. But I do not need it and it is not interesting. There is Stalin and a higher-ranking strategist. Think about it.

[unhappy]

There is no need to check Stalin, a strategist, especially a great one, yeah ...
For me, a great strategist is someone who promotes talented, courageous people to leadership positions. Those who are not shy about studying and asking for advice do not consider their conclusions to be indisputable. Peter the Great was really great!
Stalin began asking for advice after a convincing demonstration in 1941 of his "strategic talents." What strategists were in the leadership of the army and navy - and no enemies! Shame ...
PS: I recently got acquainted with the achievements of such a "hero" - Admiral Levchenko, the ship was even named after him, eh ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: unhappy

Well, it did not work out for the Chinese with military victories in the last century.

The People's Republic of China appeared after the victory of the PLA over Chiang Kai Shi (not a weak enemy), no? In North Korea, they also noted (how many Americans died there?)
I wouldn't giggle ...

The Chinese took part in the Vietnam War. First against the American coalition, then against the DRV.
Yes, and the Indians were heaped in 1962.
But the Indians also did well in the war with Pakistan. They rolled them out like small children and chopped off part of Pakistan, which is now called Bangladesh. And Pakistanis are not the last fighters.

[Snail N9]

It's funny (really funny) to hear accusations of songs and dances from a Hindu. I recently watched a Hindu film based, oddly enough, but on really real events, as one Hindu outpost fought off a horde of Chinese in the mountains for several days, in the end one Hindu survivor with the help of a woman (love, how can it be without it) for some time he defended the position until he died. The topic is generally serious, but I was laughing like a horse, from how it was sold, a fat, well-fed hero "suffering deprivation", running from machine gun to rifle and machine gun, stopping during a break to comfort his friend, sing a couple of songs with her .. . then dance in between fights ..

[hrych]

Bollywood counts on peasants, untouchables, etc. of whom there are a billion. But what India is strong in is its preserved caste system. The Chinese are peasants wearing military uniforms. Arrogant, loud, but, as they smell fried, they are very cowardly, they are paralyzed by fear, etc. Kshatriya Hindus are genetically fearless, they treat death with contempt. Therefore, as a disadvantage, they destroy the technique because of fearlessness. The Sikhs are a kind of multimillion-dollar Cossacks, they are also distinguished by high fighting qualities. Therefore, when it comes to murder, the Chinese traditionally waver. This is the subconscious and nothing can be done. And the brave individuals of Manchurian genetics will be crushed with balls bulging out of horror by a crowd of alarmists. It is only among the Russians that the workers 'and peasants' army gives out berserkers. For the rest, including even the Germans, a peasant with a rifle is a fool.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: hrych

For the rest, including even the Germans, a peasant with a rifle is a fool.

As for the Germans and Austrians, I'm not sure what it is. And the British, as a rule, have tough fighters.

[g1v2]

Meat will crush a few professionals anyway. In the war of such countries, the military economy and logistics wins. It is stupid who can build and supply more military equipment, feed and arm more soldiers. The Chinese economy is much stronger than the Indian one. Plus, the Chinese military-industrial complex produces an almost complete list of military equipment for its army. Maybe some models are inferior to the leaders, but the Chinese can stupidly increase the production of equipment in the shortest possible time. Well, about the Indian long-term tenders and the quality of the screwdriver assembly at their factories, they say numerous breakdowns and emergency situations.
Plus, do not forget about Pakistan - it certainly will not stand aside. PM Indians will clearly be in big trouble. Kshatriyas, there or not kshatriyas. More tanks and planes is cooler than any Kshatriyas and Sikhs with their kukris.

[hrych]

Pakistan will remain on the sidelines, as India is a nuclear power. At the expense of the state of emergency, but remember how the plant took off in the PRC. And remember the leaky Chinese consumer goods, so let's say they have parity in hand-to-hand. In terms of fighting qualities, in addition to courage and discipline, extreme thinking and initiative are important. By tradition, Asians are well disciplined, but with the loss of a commander, that's it. They are not very capable of initiative. Very interesting observations from the Americans for the Japanese, although there the officer caste was still hereditary. There is also a great problem ... alcohol. The Chinese do not have alcohol dehydrogenase, an enzyme that breaks down this alcohol. And he is important in war, and especially in the mountains. It relieves stress, warms the body, dilates blood vessels, improves mood and raises the threshold of fear, pain and panic. This product is contraindicated for the Chinese. It acts on them akin to hard drugs. The Hindus are arias and spirits and were invented by them. The meat will crush, rather, its few professionals, when it runs in panic. In the mountains, the number is a conditional thing, there are their own concepts of war.

[voyaka uh]

Who I like to read on VO is the user "hrych".
He carries such a full-bodied, unimaginable, fantastic delirium,
that this is a natural epic, fiction, and not posts on the forum.

[hrych]

And there is the Israeli commentator Voyaka Uh, the guy does not have enough stars from the sky and sometimes he would be better off with his opinion, to remain with himself. And the time of the VoyakiUh is in direct proportion to the Iranian centrifuges

[Vladimir Rostovsky]

Who I like to read on VO is the user "hrych".
He carries such a full-bodied, unimaginable, fantastic nonsense,
that this is a natural epic, fiction, and not posts on the forum.

They took it off the tongue, recently I wanted to write the same thing to him

[Alf]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And what can the Indians boast of?

And the three Indo-Pakistani wars?

[datura23]

and in the forest, but in a swamp, but on a slope this cannon can do the same? Or just a licked area?

[YOUR]

You need to watch not how they run around the cannon, these are ostentatious performances with their traditions in the army, but watch how they fired. Firstly, the gun is not Indian, but American М777. Secondly, they shot very accurately. Thirdly, if you paid attention, this weapon can fire with a high rate of fire. There are three shells in the shell feed tray at once, just have time to throw up the charges.

[Shiden]

You are mistaken, it is not three axes, but the Swedish Bofors.

[YOUR]

Your truth is FH77, 155mm caliber and impressive rate of fire - 3 rounds in 8 seconds, 6 rounds in 25 seconds, continuous: 6 rounds per minute for 20 minutes.
A battery of 8 guns with a 20-minute fire raid will release almost 1000 shells.
Artillery machine gun.

[YOUR]

And India also bought American weapons worth almost a billion dollars, not our Mstu, but theirs. M777 in the amount of 145 units will be supplied by the Americans and another 120 will be produced at their factories.
And let them dance, but around our Msta-B.

[Alexey Sommer]

There are examples of higher craftsmanship.
Just look at how much courage and fighting prowess there is in every look and movement. This is the real "combat chemistry" that the Indian expert talks about.
They say there are car injuries from the toe of a shoe hitting oneself on the nose ..

[Mavrikiy]

What glorious frog ninja gunners. They thought only in cartoons, but no, they were alive.

[Civil]

This opinion was voiced by expert Madhav Nalapat on the pages of the Indian edition of The Sunday Guardian. According to him, "the boastful exclamations of the Chinese media" concerning the supposedly combat power of the PLA can be safely ignored.

However, this is enough for the PRC to bend neighboring countries into territorial concessions and raw materials.
1.Hianggang small-britters had to give up
2. Macau was silently returned by the Portuguese.
3. Russia gave up Damansky.
4. The archipelagos of the Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipinos.
5. Mountains near Bhutan, India, Tajikistan (for debts), Kazakhstan.

No shots, no casualties, only systematic work with the economy of their country.

[Kent0001]

Hindus will dance the Chinese to death .... they will starve to death))))))

[svp67]

Well, in terms of combat experience, the armies of India and China are equal, but unlike India, China is now very much training it in low-intensity conflicts in Africa. And the PLA is developing more intensively and purposefully. So in case of a conflict, I would still "bet" on China

[Tank jacket]

Since the fight will be hand-to-hand, I would also bet on China, but in general the whole conflict is window dressing ...

[Odysseus]

It's very funny about dancing ... In childhood it was called - whoever hurts, he talks about it
All these statements look especially amusing against the backdrop of the fact that even in the "dance" knife battles of the PLA this year, in the literal sense of the word, it nailed the Indian army.
But the proposal of the journalist to "warm up" the conflict with the PRC, which is absolutely senseless from the point of view of the interests of the peoples of India, is simply dangerous. Moreover, it is dangerous for India itself.

[Vasyan1971]

And where can you get acquainted with the real combat experience of Indian heroes?

In battle, it is not only the mathematics of equipment and resources that are important ...

Sounds good, especially against the background of Indian assorted weapons!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vasyan1971

And where can you get acquainted with the real combat experience of Indian heroes?

See the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

See the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

This reminds me vaguely of the Indo-Pakistani incident. ©
Thank you, enlightened. They fought hard, however ...
And the root cause is the Naglo-Saxons, of course ...

[datura23]

the Chinese fought a lot, unlike the Indians

[apro]

Does the PRC have no combat experience? Boldly ... the war in Korea ... and in ... and with Vietnam. Afghanistan ... and with India itself too.

[Per se.]

It is extremely stupid to underestimate the PLA, the Chinese are very scrupulous in studying their own and others' experience, have excellent training. The Chinese learn a lot from us, in particular on the actions and training of the Airborne Forces, do not hesitate to take part in any games and exercises. And, it would be better if our leadership was more careful with the PRC, which still has territorial claims to all neighboring countries.

[AML]

In Vietnam with a sad outcome, although it is presented as a tactical retreat

[Cowbra]

The only thing that matters is that a naked unreasonable propaganda wave has been launched in China in the best traditions of mattresses. But in India it is even worse - they lost their Air Force, nothing good with fighters, or with AWACS, there are no refuellers at all - they danced-danced with purchases, danced to the point that they did not buy anything, and what happened was a resource of nuts. They forgot to update the Navy, even with the rifle problem. Pakistan can really stutter them, China will devour them altogether, and in the best traditions of modern wars - knocking out more and more machine guns from the air.

[Cartalon]

The gentlemen commenting on the odd forgot about the Indo-Pakistani wars in which India won

[Moskovit]

The Indian general is right and wrong. The Indian army has been fighting the Pakistanis for over 60 years in the harshest conditions in Kashmir. The Indians have accumulated a gigantic experience, richly paid in blood. But the Chinese study well, are motivated and, if anything, they will not reckon with the losses. Their army is essentially professional, since the competition for one place sometimes reaches up to 10 people.

[Moskovit]

You completely forgot something about Google. Read about the 1999 Kargil War. About artillery, aviation. What adjustments this war has made.
Both the rank and file and the officers for training strive to get into the Chinese army. Therefore, there is plenty to choose from. These are not ksyusha sobchak, but people breaking through from the bottom

[Ivan Tixiy]

".... the real threat of India's maximum rapprochement with the US ...." Preventing this is one of the top priorities of the troika of Moscow, Rawalpindi [the former capital of Pakistan] and Beijing, as well as those fooled by them in Washington and Delhi. "
This is essentially said, the rest is foil wrappers

[Cowbra]

Moreover, the underlying reason - one of the trends advocating the end of the policy of non-alignment - gave a voice. And it is not in power for the reason, for example, that in India there is already an energy hunger, and the United States itself cannot build nuclear power plants for them, they will not give them to others, and they also strive to cut off oil from Iran, which is tantamount to the final stop of industry in India) ))

[unhappy]

The expert is wrong.
As with others, I don’t know, I remember that we (Russians) called the battlefield a battlefield (shouts and swearing, insults before the battle). What is now called "demonization" or dehumanization of the enemy. Killing a person is wrong, taboo, a sin, but sometimes it is necessary

[Rage66]

"It is unlikely that they [Indian soldiers] will take the war cries and dances of the PRC media warriors seriously."
And what about Indians, besides Pakistan, does anyone take seriously? Or do they have experience of fighting in Afghanistan and Syria? ... No, well, from the changing of the guards on the Indian-Pakistani border, really goosebumps run.

[iouris]

"You sang everything? This is the case. So go and dance!"

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: datura23

and in the forest, but in a swamp, but on a slope this cannon can do the same? Or just a licked area?

It is contraindicated to drag any six-inch model into the swamp.
Otherwise, you'll get bored to get her out of there, and the tractor too.

[Sergey Gintner]

And the Indian army is Ogogo !! hardened on numerous battlefields! From the epic Ramayana to the Mahabharata !! Recently, Indians were fired upon from artillery near a glacier in the disputed mountainous region of the Himalayas. Several dozen Indian soldiers simply froze to death on the glacier., Heroic death.. The most military order of India - named after Mahatma Gandhi ..)) the main pacifist and ideologist of the policy of non-resistance ..) )) This is a joke..