Privatization in the Russian Federation. 2020-2022 years

Thank you very much for your responses and comments on the first article! This time the review will be very short and dedicated to just one document.

Let me explain what caused this topic. I read comments about how production, Yuzhmash, 2Motor Sich, etc. are being sold in Ukraine, and suddenly there is an irresistible feeling of déjà vu. Having rummaged a little in my memory, I remembered one of the documents signed by the highly respected D. A. Medvedev a couple of weeks before he left the post of Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.

This document is called as follows: "On the approval of the forecast plan for the privatization of federal property and the main directions of the privatization of federal property for 2020-2022." It was approved by the order of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 3260-r dated December 31, 2019.

But then the pandemic was already in full swing, already reaching Russia (more on that below). What kind of privatization can there be during the economic crisis? But no, anything is possible!
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The document itself takes up more than one hundred pages. Anyone who is interested in it will be able to get acquainted with it.

I'll tell you about something else. According to this document, proceeds from privatization will amount to about 3,7 billion rubles a year. A total of about 11 billion rubles. Is it a lot or a little? The opening of the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg cost the federal budget more than 5 billion rubles (+ 2 billion rubles from the Sverdlovsk region).

I'll just go over the list of assets that the state will lose forever:

All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Plant Protection Chemicals.
All-Russian Research Institute of Informatization of Agronomy and Ecology.
State Research Center "Research Institute of Organic Intermediates and Dyes".
Research Center for Innovation and Energy Efficiency.
Research and Production Association "Hydrotruboprovod".
Central scientific restoration design workshops.
Special design and technological bureau "Technologist".
Federal Research and Production Center "Progress".
771st Communication Equipment Repair Plant of the Black Sea fleet Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Scientific and technological center "Electrontech" of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow region.
13th shipyard of the Black Sea Fleet of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Moscow Prosthetic and Orthopedic Enterprise of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation.
"CITO" of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation, Moscow.
Trust "Orgagrotehmontazh".
Foreign economic association "Promsyreimport".
"Center for Operational Services" of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation.
Central pharmacy, Moscow
Foreign economic association "Promexim".
Directorate for operation of automobile gas-filling compressor stations "Mosavtogaz" of the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation.
"Hotel Management" of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Soyuzmultfilm Film Studio Creative and Production Association.
Order of the Red Banner of Labor Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Russian Broadcasting and Alerting Networks".
"ROSTEK" of the Federal Customs Service.
Sakhalin Energy Company.
Research part of the "MATI" Russian State Technological University named after K. E. Tsiolkovsky.
Scientific and Technical Center for Electronic Warfare.
Central Research Institute of Film Materials and Artificial Leather.
Firm "Melodia", Moscow.

The privatization of nineteen disinfection centers, including the Volgograd city disinfection station, the disinfection center in Balakovo, Meddisinfection in Saratov, looks especially "timely" ...

In 2020-2022, it is planned to privatize 86 federal state unitary enterprises, 186 joint-stock companies, shares of the Russian Federation in 13 limited liability companies, as well as 1168 objects of other property of the state treasury of the Russian Federation.

I will not comment on this topic. Perhaps the central pharmacy and the Sakhalin energy company operate poorly and unprofitably, perhaps the factories of the Ministry of Defense are unprofitable, perhaps Melodiya and Soyuzmultfilm with copyrights to Soviet masterpieces are superfluous for state property ... But for some reason, it is a shame for the state after reading such documents!

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Privatization in the Russian Federation. 2020-2022 years

Give us nationalization in 2020-2022!
Where are the plans, why don't I see ?!

[Civil]

And what do they not write about the privatization of the Russian Post that is taking place right now? It was FSUE Russian Post, everything goes to Russian Post JSC.

[Lexus]

And what do they not write about the privatization of the Russian Post that is taking place right now?

We are not among the "recipients" of invitation SMS for this "action".

It was FSUE Russian Post, everything goes to Russian Post JSC.

ZAO "Eating Russia" is also awaiting a "rebranding". Will be changed to OOO Doeli.

[SRC P-15]

Having rummaged a little in my memory, I remembered one of the documents signed by the highly respected D.A.Medvedev a couple of weeks before he left the post of Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed? So as not to run ahead of the locomotive, so to speak.

[dorz]

According to Bloomberg, more than $ 750 billion have been withdrawn from Russia by foreigners alone over the past 15 years. The share of foreign capital in the Russian economy is 75 percent in property; in profit - 70 percent; in stocks - 90 percent.

Even if we exclude the offshore share, the owners of which are, as a rule, Russian citizens (which does not exclude the possibility of imposing sanctions on them), then we are talking about assets worth trillions of rubles or hundreds of billions of dollars, even without taking into account the foreign exchange profit withdrawn annually abroad (33,4, $ 2020 billion in five months of XNUMX).

In terms of ownership structure, American and British citizens are in the lead - approximately 30-35 percent, including stakes in the auto industry, high-tech engineering, chemical industry, as well as shares in the largest mining companies. Slightly less - 23 - 27 percent went to the citizens of European countries, first of all, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Cyprus.

We have sailed long ago and passed all the red lines, and the pests are waiting for a convenient moment with a one-way ticket and residence permit of NATO countries.

[Lexus]

We sailed long ago and passed all the red lines

Fragment from the film "Gentlemen of Fortune" (1971)

[EvilLion]

How often do you change your car? And what kind of foreign country do you have? I love you, robbed under Putin.

[CSKA]

Quote: EvilLion

How often do you change your car? And what kind of foreign country do you have? I love you, robbed under Putin.

)))) And do not get tired of whining.

[CSKA]

Quote: dorz

The share of foreign capital in the Russian economy is 75 percent in property; in profit - 70 percent; in stocks - 90 percent.

Where have you read this nonsense?

Quote: dorz

In terms of ownership structure, American and British citizens are in the lead - an estimated 30-35 percent, including stakes in the automotive industry, high-tech engineering, chemical industry, as well as shares in the largest mining companies.

And one more nonsense. Do you compose yourself? So the names of these citizens in the studio.

[nnm]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed? So as not to run ahead of the locomotive, so to speak.

Not. Then the order would have been canceled, and so, in 8 months it was edited 8 times, the last time - 24.8.

[Bad_gr]

For the sold property, the government will receive money and plug some holes with it. And then what? After all, the owner of the property receives the main profit, and only miserable taxes will go to the state, and this is at best (if they are not taken offshore).
In the government there are temporary cheeks who live for one day, and then at least the grass will not grow.

[CSKA]

Quote: Bad_gr

and the state will receive only miserable taxes

Since when have taxes become miserable?

Quote: Bad_gr

In the government there are temporary cheeks who live for one day, and then at least the grass will not grow.

How did your brain come to this conclusion if they have been in power for 20 years?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: CSKA

Since when have taxes become miserable?

And what are they, in comparison with the main profit of the enterprise? And if it is carried out through offshore companies (from 3%)?

Quote: CSKA

How did your brain come to this conclusion if they have been in power for 20 years?

Well ....? He came, made money and left. Where does Gorbachev (who is the "German of the Year") live now? For me, people holding high government posts, at the end of their careers, should not be traveling at all - they should live in what is left of their activities.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed?

And for this he received a post higher than Mishustin.

[Per se.]

Quote: tihonmarine

And for this he received a post higher than Mishustin.

[CSKA]

Quote: tihonmarine

And for this he received a post higher than Mishustin.

Since when is the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council a position higher than the Prime Minister?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: CSKA

Since when is the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council a position higher than the Prime Minister?

Those who have a higher salary are higher.

[CSKA]

Quote: tihonmarine

Those who have a higher salary are higher.

Are you kidding? The second person in the country after the president is always the prime minister. And you will not announce the figures of their salaries?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: CSKA

And you will not announce their salary figures by any chance?

So there is data on the net.

[Malyuta]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed? So as not to run ahead of the locomotive, so to speak.

What kind of disgrace did Medvedev fall into? Please tell us what is happening in the kingdom of crooked mirrors?

[Blanket]

Quote: SRC P-15

Having rummaged a little in my memory, I remembered one of the documents signed by the highly respected D.A.Medvedev a couple of weeks before he left the post of Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed? So as not to run ahead of the locomotive, so to speak.

Or maybe for this document the former Prime Minister was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, III degree?

[paul3390]

It seems that they are still preparing for Putin's departure. Finally, raking on bottomless pocketbooks everything tasty, what else to eat for 20 years of his reign did not have time .. And then who knows what will happen next? What if his homies start dispossessing and smearing their foreheads with green stuff?

[Lexus]

It seems that they are still preparing for Putin's departure.

The "pharaohs" have an ancient tradition - to thrust "severance pay" into the "pyramid".

[paul3390]

«You say that burning widows is your Indian tradition. Perfectly. We Englishmen also have a tradition: when men burn a woman alive, we take a rope, make a loop and put it around their neck. Build your own funeral pyres and our carpenters will erect gallows for you nearby. You can follow your traditions - and we will follow our. " (c) Some of the British generals in India ..

For example, we have a tradition to throw out foreign evil spirits from the Kremlin about once every 200 years ..

[Lexus]

For example, we have a tradition to throw out foreign evil spirits from the Kremlin about once every 200 years ..

Almost an "anniversary" date is planned. Just throwing it out is "undeserved" waste. Yes, and inhumane - you need to define 2x2 in "affordable housing".

[Malyuta]

Quote: lexus

Almost an "anniversary" date is planned. Just throwing it out is "undeserved" waste. Yes, and inhumane - you need to define 2x2 in "affordable housing".

I welcome you, Comrade!
I want to note that you are an incorrigible humanist!)
Those characters you are talking about should be transported for a couple of three years across the country in barrels of shit and demonstrate these genetic monsters in the central squares, and after their death they should be alcoholized and demonstrated in the Leningrad Kuntstkamera for the edification of descendants!

[Lexus]

Hello, colleague!
Wei, why complicate? Just "pickle" the barrels, and they themselves will fill them with shit to overflowing. Tea, apart from this, is unable to do anything else.

[CSKA]

Quote: paul3390

For example, we have a tradition to throw out foreign evil spirits from the Kremlin about once every 200 years ..

Read history to be literate, so as not to compose nonsense about some kind of tradition.

[nnm]

The creation of the State Council, the redistribution of powers in the direction of parliamentarism hints at a slightly different option.

[paul3390]

Parliamentarianism means only one thing - the plunder will be even more desperate. Otherwise we see our native Duma for the first time! Under the new tsar, there was at least some kind of restraining factor, because theft had to be coordinated with him. And then, wooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Lexus]

And then, waaaa, they will go all the way ..

"Somewhere I have already seen this ..." (C)

[aybolyt678]

Quote: paul3390

Finally, picking up everything tasty through bottomless pockets

there is a corruption scheme, where is the prosecutor's office looking ???

[paul3390]

How where? Looks where her share is!

[nnm]

So far, this is the NAO, whose shares belong to the Russian Federation

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Civil

And what do they not write about the privatization of the Russian Post that is taking place right now? It was FSUE Russian Post, everything goes to Russian Post JSC.

Capitalism is striding briskly across the country.

[Lexus]

Privatization in the Russian Federation. 2020-2022 years

Another "division of loot" and "sale of stolen goods".

Where are the plans, why don't I see ?!

The secret of a "firm", or rather a gang.

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

There are still many interesting questions.
Why did the authorities decide to sell strategic research institutes and enterprises related to the defense industry?

Privatize:
- NCTB Crystal, which investigates:
sorption-catalytic gas cleaning and control of emissions into the atmosphere,
neutralizers of vehicle exhaust gases.
- Scientific and Technical Center for Electronic Warfare (STC REB), which:
performs R&D in the field of electronic warfare on orders from the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation,
develops and exports samples of electronic warfare equipment,
participates in the development of the concept of REV in the Russian Federation.
- Special Design and Technology Bureau Omega (OKTB Omega):
development of means of control and testing of switching devices for rocket and space technology,
creation of special optoelectronic devices in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense.
- Group of defense enterprises of the Russian Navy:
Admiralty Shipyards,
PO Northern Machine-Building Enterprise
Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard
Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center
Perm Plant Machine Builder,
Avangard, Smolensk region,
Bakhirev Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering,
Concern Marine Underwater Weapons - Gidropribor.
Shipyard Sea, Crimea,
13 SRZ Black Sea Fleet of the RF Ministry of Defense.

- a group of state scientific centers (SSC):
SSC RF - FSUE Research Center named after Keldysh.
All-Russian Research Institute of Chemical Plant Protection Products,
All-Russian Research Institute of Informatization of Agronomy and Ecology,
State Research Institute of Mining and Chemical Raw Materials,
SSC Research Institute of Organic Intermediates and Dyes,
Research Center for Innovation and Energy Efficiency,
NPO Hydrotruboprovod,
NPO Technomash,
Scientific and Production Center of Automation and Instrumentation named after Pilyugin,
RRC Applied Chemistry,
Central Research Institute of Geology of Nonmetallic Mineral Resources,
Center for Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities,
Research and Testing Center for the Rocket and Space Industry,
SKTB Technologist,
Research Institute NPO LUCH.

The state does not need them? This is the country's defense capability, why give them to someone who knows?

[nnm]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

- Group of defense enterprises of the Russian Navy:
Admiralty Shipyards,
PO Northern Machine-Building Enterprise
Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard
Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center
...

... as far as my memory serves me - look at the note on these positions, they are not sold to private hands, but a single state holding is being created, where they will enter.

[Lexus]

The state does not need them?

It's time to get used to "self-defense", "self-education", "self-health care" and then "self". The "hands" of the relevant "ministries" are not sharpened for "that", this is obvious.

[Pane Kohanku]

and further "sAmo".

how about the notorious tax for physical self-gratification? Do you remember the famous meme went online? Lesh, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[Lexus]

how about the notorious tax for physical self-gratification?

Some have already learned to carry out the "process" squatting ... under the lingering "uryayaya".

[Pane Kohanku]

Some have already learned to carry out the "process" squatting ... under the lingering "uryayaya".

sho, and pay tax? however, what entertainers!

[Lexus]

In our country, the "legal" norm "What to take from them?" Is applied to the poor and the holy fools, therefore they are not subject to taxes or fines. Naturally, the jurisdiction does not extend to them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

PO Northern Machine-Building Enterprise

Well, that's really, Serdyukov didn't think of this, but Trump could.

[Pane Kohanku]

Another "division of loot" and "sale of stolen goods".

Lesh, I will say sedition, but ... not all "children" had enough oil and gas ... "You have to get a pretty penny somehow!" just the feeling that many of the organizations on the list will be simply destroyed. Although it is also interesting what state they are in now?

[nnm]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

Although it is also interesting what state they are in now?

Great question. But ... when a patient is sick, he should be treated and not sold for organs. A new shopping center can always be erected on the site of a SRZ or research institute, but building a new SRZ or research institute, loading it with orders, professional personnel - this takes more than one year.

[Pane Kohanku]

A new shopping center can always be erected on the site of a SRZ or research institute, but building a new SRZ or research institute, loading it with orders, professional personnel - this takes more than one year.

These are golden words, I totally agree.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

A new shopping center can always be built on the site of a SRZ or research institute

I wonder what they want to build on the site of "Sevmash". I will only say that such an enterprise that remained from the USSR will never be built again. I saw this at the Nikolaev Shipyard.

[Alf]

Quote: tihonmarine

I wonder what they want to build on the site of "Sevmash".

Hyper super mega mall. It will be possible to deliver goods to it directly on ships, so it will become cheaper.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alf

Hyper super mega mall.

And Arkhangelsk will become the second capital, as according to Ilf and Petrov, New Vasyuki.

[Alf]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Alf

Hyper super mega mall.

And Arkhangelsk will become the second capital, as according to Ilf and Petrov, New Vasyuki.

But the Grandmaster escaped very quickly from Novye Vasyuki, taking every little change in his pockets. Let's see how soon the Chief Grandmaster escapes, he is unlikely to stay until 2024. "I'm tired, I'm leaving."

[nnm]

I wrote about this a little higher. Sevmash is not privatized into private hands. He is on this list, but you need to pay attention to the fact that there is a note icon. Many such enterprises will merge into a single state holding. those. remain in the hands of the state.

[Alf]

Quote: nnm

A new shopping center can always be erected on the site of a SRZ or research institute, but building a new SRZ or research institute, loading it with orders, professional personnel - this takes more than one year.

What for ? Loading orders, looking for personnel .. Everything is long, and not profitable. And so first they will privatize, then they will destroy what is still left, and as the rooster bites, they will demand loot from the state for restoration. Will it give money? Of course it will. And we will master them again. So we will play a very profitable swing.

[Lexus]

Although it is also interesting what state they are in now?

Hi! In the planned agonizing.

[Deniska999]

It is also interesting to note that in Russia they still cannot count the number of federal state unitary enterprises and joint-stock companies with state participation. According to the Federal Property Management Agency, there are 1025 JSCs and 626 FSUEs in Russia, according to Rosstat - 1059 JSCs and 760 FSUEs, according to the Federal Tax Service - 218 JSCs and 792 FSUEs.

How can privatization be planned if they cannot calculate how many objects are on the balance sheet.

[Lexus]

It is also curious to note that in Russia they still cannot count ...

The "thimblers" explained to you that it is indecent to count money in their "alien" pocket. And in ours they rummage exclusively from "good" intentions and on behalf of the "state".

[nnm]

In fact, everything is simple here - all these sources receive data on owners at different times. Correct data - FTS. In statistics, they often simply forget to submit data, the Federal Property Management Agency believes, in general, do not understand what and why - they have created their own database and who will submit the data there, who will not submit it - there, for years, you can coordinate property lists with their Wishlist.

[Deniska999]

This also speaks of the quality of public administration. Including the ability for adequate planning.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Deniska999

Curious... .

Curious! FTS knows least of all. From, it's like!

[Lexus]

FNS

Shot from the cartoon "Treasure Island" (1988)

[Svarog]

But for some reason, it is a shame for the state after reading such documents!

So the privatizers do not stop the process for a moment, but now is the time for a cheap ... so to speak ..

[depressant]

Yes, damn it, I knew about the plan to privatize everything and everything even before the New Year, already then I was stifling anger. He, the scoundrel Medvedev, scattered everything on the shelves for a long time and presented the country with a pod on the holiday. In the same place, even earlier, interest was set by years, how much per year it is necessary to privatize - 10% per year, but it did not work out. Either there were no volunteers, or it was too important for the state's strategy and it was impossible.
And now a political dead man with a bony hand pulls us out of the grave! Six years before that, he brought down the country's economy to "negative growth", and now, according to his paper, it must be completely ruined.
What is it! Either throw that paper to hell, or let the clever one review it.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: depressant

He, the scoundrel Medvedev, ....

Quote: depressant

And now the political dead ...

"Here comes the master ...".
But Putin didn't even know. But now he finds out!

[nnm]

Quote: There was a mammoth

But now he finds out!

If HE reads VO, then this will definitely be my last article

[Was mammoth]

Quote: nnm

If HE reads VO, then this will definitely be my last article

Take courage!

Quote: nnm

Already "reviewed" 8 times, last revised 24.8.20/XNUMX/XNUMX

Behind each enterprise on the list are specific people with specific mercantile interests. This is where corruption should be sought. For each enterprise.

[Alf]

Quote: nnm

Quote: There was a mammoth

But now he finds out!

If HE reads VO, then this will definitely be my last article

That's for sure. Article will be your last, according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, for the disclosure of classified information.

[depressant]

There was a Mammoth, otherwise I don’t understand. They surrender the country there in a crowd.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: depressant

There was a Mammoth, otherwise I don’t understand. They surrender the country there in a crowd.

Therefore, I was surprised by your comment.
The meaning of nationalization is the salvation of an enterprise, an industry ..., ultimately the fate of people. The point in privatization is making a profit by a private owner. Therefore, he does not need an enterprise without prospects. It is for the state to get rid of its obligations to the people. For a specific official, "weld" on the pocket.

[depressant]

An enterprise without prospects ... And you, colleague, think that "an enterprise without prospects" will become promising in the hands of a private owner? Not once or twice on VO there were talks about this. Lists of redeemed, bankrupt, and then closed promising enterprises were given, already closed under Putin! From which there are ruins! Stalkers find them and publish pictures. And this was in the years when the gold and foreign exchange rain poured on the country. But as it poured, and in a powerful stream through the sewers of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank, it poured into offshores, leaving no trace on our land. About 80 thousand factories and factories were closed under Putin, including unique ones, those that are now in ruins. The Soviet industry had to leave so as not to plague Putin's eyes - if it's not ashamed, there is no shame there, then it is awkward, uncomfortable. And the main thing is to destroy the working collectives with the Soviet mentality ...
And now - what? Either the shameful past is still burning, or the redistribution of property again. The evil Internet says that Medvedev wanted to give it to his own people, then to sell it to foreigners for currency, and Putin wanted to sell it to his own. To sell to foreigners too?
And this despite the fact that the annual 3,6 billion is a minuscule compared to the 74 billion already spent this year on supporting the population.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: depressant

An enterprise without prospects ... And you, colleague, believe that "an enterprise without prospects" will become promising in the hands of a private owner?

Of course not. Maybe with rare unique exceptions. Such an enterprise will disappear, and in its place there will be another trading platform for resellers of something from China. And, in the case of an enterprise with a prospect, it will not bring income to the state.

[Reptiloid]

....... redistribution of property .....

, which may be accompanied by other processes, everything is not for the benefit of the population

[Alf]

Quote: depressant

They surrender the country there in a crowd.

Which country? They never had it. “Where it’s good, there’s homeland.”

[depressant]

There is such a nice organization, more precisely, an agency called Rosimushchestvo. Who else did not lead it! In recent years, Yakovenko has been a serious security official.
It is this agency that fits into the topic of privatization of state property.
What does it do?
Here’s what:
places orders and concludes government contracts, as well as other civil law contracts for the supply of goods, performance of work, provision of services, for carrying out research, development and technological work for government needs, as well as to meet the needs of the Agency;

exercises the powers of the owner in relation to the property of federal state unitary enterprises, federal state institutions, shares (stakes) of joint-stock (business) companies, stakes in the authorized capital of limited liability companies and other property, including that constituting the state treasury of the Russian Federation, as well as the powers of the owner on the transfer of federal property to legal entities and individuals, privatization (alienation) of federal property;

(It is the owner of a huge amount of state property, do you understand?)

organizes, in the prescribed manner, the sale, including acts as a seller, of the privatized federal property, as well as other property belonging to the Russian Federation, including ensuring the safety of the said property and preparing it for sale ...

(It sells state property within the framework of the adopted law on privatization)

So, theft in Rosimushchestvo is such that even the Accounts Chamber and the FSB were horrified. For a couple, if not less, years more than 6 trillion rubles as a cow licked its tongue. Rather, Yakovenko and his comrades. The exact numbers can be found. And this despite the fact that the FSB is constantly raking in regional administrators of this agency. While some are under arrest, others do not just continue to steal, but rush to do it. Although corporate news of arrests spreads instantly.
It seems that the crowd of these people has been stealing without regaining consciousness since the time of Gorbachev's Perestroika. Apparently, without even noticing that our political system has changed. They don't care about anything. They sit on state property and, apparently, believe that the only thing that can be done with it is to steal. And it is possible that the same situation is in the political elite. Hence the conclusion: when the owner does not cope with the property, he sells it!

[nnm]

For the sake of interest, look at what positions Gref and Chubais worked in the St. Petersburg period of their careers ....))

[nnm]

Quote: depressant

Either throw that paper to hell, or let the clever one review it.

Already "reviewed" 8 times, last revised 24.8.20/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Snail N9]

Gee-Gee. Did you know that the "Cars" column has appeared in the "Plato" system? Fake, probably ... People are the second oil .... and their pockets are new and bins and "inexhaustible bowels" for "effective managers" of a put .... "spill" ...

[nnm]

No, I didn't. Very interesting and promising information. Apparently, it's worth preparing ...

[Alf]

Quote: nnm

No, I didn't. Very interesting and promising information. Apparently, it's worth preparing ...

Yesterday, the news was about toll roads ... Do you think such stuffing is just going on?

[Lexus]

the "Plato" system now has the "Cars" column

I wouldn't be surprised if the column "pedestrians" appears in it soon. Even with the sub-item "deceased".

[nnm]

and "baby carriages".

[Lexus]

"These" will easily be obliged to register shoes with the traffic police, including "white slippers"



with the purchase of a license plate of the "state" standard and a CTP policy.

[depressant]

Nobody paid attention to my comment on some topic, published immediately after the New Year celebration, about the plan for privatization of state property. Only Golovan Jack attacked me then, demanding lethal evidence, apparently in the form of a video in which Putin reported to me personally.

The comment recalled the following:
On December 31, 2019, Medvedev approved the Order of the Government of the Russian Federation N3260-r "On approval of the forecast plan for the privatization of federal property and the main directions of the privatization of federal property for 2020-2022."

This order was not specifically advertised anywhere.

What was subject to privatization?
Fishery
Fish farming
Extraction of crude oil and gas
Production:
food products
Textiles
products from wood, materials for weaving
Paper
chemical substances
chemical products
medicines
medical materials
computers
opticians
electrical equipment
machines
furniture
car repair
Etc.

There is a huge list.
This was published by the press on January 10th. That is, everything was subject to privatization! Including - factories for the production of electrical equipment, food products and, please pay special attention - buildings and land plots.
Dear Author says that there were already 8 revisions of the plan.
What are going to be privatized as buildings? Maybe the Kremlin and the Mausoleum with the subsequent demolition of the latter? The evil Internet says that for this very reason the Union of Architects advocated the burial of Lenin's body with the subsequent opening of a museum in order to prevent the demolition of the historic building ... Or maybe the Khrushchev house on the embankment in Moscow? Well, the Roteberg are already running there.
As far as land plots are concerned, it seems that there will be a special conversation.

[Lexus]

Golovan Jack

Hello! Gadjuskuns already, go and somewhere in Canada "begging".

[depressant]

Colleague, good afternoon!)))
I suspect that the Administration of the site simply banned him. Due to the clogging of forums with uninformative comments, the meaning of which was reduced only to manipulation of the collective consciousness of members of the forum with a withdrawal into the irrational. Personally, I tolerated him with a sigh, admitting that a person could be like him. God will judge him)))

[Lexus]

If you always hold the undisputed leadership in the field of "gas letting" and "composting" - which is what it actually did here - then "chimney burnout" and "jet burst" are simply inevitable. It's a question of time. I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed that after the rejection of this "miscarriage" the site became much cleaner and fresher.

[depressant]

Yes, I noticed it too)) This is manifested in the fact that members of the forum are no longer afraid to express their opinions. Of course, I didn't get into a skirmish with him, I just ignored him. But there are many people whose pride suffers if they cannot respond to the offender with dignity, and they were sucked into a deadly funnel of clarification of the relationship. And then they disappeared from the forums for a long time. Either they restored nerves, disheveled from humiliation, because not only the enemy's word hurts, and no matter that the enemy is invisible, but also yours, which you were looking for, but could not find in order to leave the battlefield behind you. And some Golovan drove to a breakdown, and the Administration was forced to ban wonderful, smart people. So Jack was the Ripper. And even now I sometimes fearfully think: what if it comes back? )))

[Lexus]

He still writes from other accounts, but he is forced to encrypt, because, as soon as he lights up, they will immediately wash it off. Once again.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: lexus

He still writes from other accounts, but he is forced to encrypt, because, as soon as he lights up, they will immediately wash it off. Once again.

Yes, and I thought it was kind of familiar? MET. Possibly!

[Lexus]

Dear Dmitry, hello!
So it is - you can't hide the insides.

[Reptiloid]

..... will suddenly come back ...

if it will ask and beg the Administration. It happened with some. I have an inscription in the mail opposite him - banned without the right of correspondence. After all, he gave me a personal message. I didn’t care!

[Lexus]

After all, he gave me a personal call.

It wrote nasty things to many. Completed.

[Malyuta]

Quote: depressant

So Jack was the Ripper. And even now I sometimes fearfully think: what if it comes back? )))

Comrade, why do you think about this mmm .....? Leave empty.

[Reptiloid]

[quote]..... Colleague, good afternoon ...[/ Quote]
With your permission, I will join your conversation ... It seems to me that Golovan had a disgusting amazing ability ---- at a distance to try to deliver unpleasant things and be happy about it. I immediately had such thoughts about his inclinations. Therefore, to his harassment ----- ignore! And he jumps, does not calm down in any way ..... I think, not mistaken. Potm stopped climbing.

[Lexus]

Perhaps I agree with you and my colleague Malyuta. It is pointless to establish contact and conduct a dialogue with "excrement". Just wash it off without regret.

[Reptiloid]

......... did not pay attention ...

I have no doubt, dear Lyudmila, that many have noticed, they just did not know what to say. As, incidentally, and I too. I was dumbfounded, my thoughts were confused. But --- what is happening within the framework of the current system. The capitalist system will continue to destroy everything that was socialist.
And if you imagine a 100% state-owned enterprise, --- it will not be able to survive, in my opinion, in the capitalist system, when around are the destroyers of everything socialist ...
But I have not yet thought of this topic to the end ... ?????????????

[depressant]

Dima, we won't think of it. The older post-war generations, who had a model of how it should be, and if it should not, then corrected, are leaving. The new ones have a model only in the form of how our capitalism is not very good, but they have, there, abroad ... They have a different reference point.
I think socialism will come, oddly enough, to us from abroad. But what its format will be in the context of digitalization, as well as the basic income that will be imposed there, not on us - they will have to see. It seems to me. Maybe I am wrong. But Marxism is also not our invention)))

[Reptiloid]

Lyudmila, before there were five-year plans, appropriate bodies, both controlling and carrying out horizontal, vertical communications? There is no state planning now, is there?

.......... socialism will come .......

Lenin did not wait for the onset of the last stage. This is genius.
Sincerely.

[depressant]

The current Ministry of Economic Development was supposed to become the State Planning Committee and make up five-year plans based on the real possibilities of the country.

[Reptiloid]

Perhaps you remember the articles about the evacuation of industries, their plans, developed before the Second World War?
And if, for example, different types of property? .... There were some discrepancies with medications a few years ago. ?? The private owner changed his mind ...

[depressant]

No, I don't remember))) I'm not a dinosaur)))

[Reptiloid]

Quote: depressant

No, I don't remember))) I'm not a dinosaur)))

What are you ?, The smartest woman writing great comments.
There were conversations at work, before, some drugs were used by someone - a private company stopped production. Name? ---- I don't remember. I know that long-term use

[depressant]

Dima, it looks like I was rude to you)) Sorry!))
You just asked about something that I could not know, let alone remember - I did not live at that time. And what about the smartest - you turned it down. Don't do that again.

[Aviator_]

Dmitry, with different forms of ownership in the Republic of Ingushetia, they failed to evacuate the Russo-Balt plant during WWI. It's the same now.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Aviator_

Dmitry, with different forms of ownership in the Republic of Ingushetia, they failed to evacuate the Russo-Balt plant during WWI. It's the same now.

I didn’t know that about Russo-Balt, dear Sergey.

[Aviator_]

There was an advanced aircraft production, the same "Svyatogor" and "Ilya Muromets" from there, but they could not take the plant out of the Baltic States. The "bloody Bolsheviks" had to create everything from scratch under the leadership of a "German spy".

[Reptiloid]

Thank you, Sergey. This is your topic. I'll try to read about it.

[Aviator_]

I myself learned from the collection "Aircraft Manufacturing in the USSR", or "Development of Aircraft Manufacturing in the USSR", published by TsAGI. The book has touched somewhere, as I find it, I will write the exact title.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Aviator_

I myself learned from the collection "Aircraft Manufacturing in the USSR", or "Development of Aircraft Manufacturing in the USSR", published by TsAGI. ........

wonderful book titles! TsAGI publishing house! These words speak for themselves. Respect!

..... touched somewhere ......

oh I don’t believe it! Good books don't go anywhere! Im someone attaches legs! here is a good sign for visitors ----Do not gaze on the shelves with your predatory gaze! Here, books are not given at home!

[Aviator_]

Dmirtiy, she was at my work, during the renovation I had to move with my cabinets to another place, on my return some of the books were lost, including the library ones. While I try not to appear in the library of our office, I usually send a graduate student there, if necessary.

[Reptiloid]

Just about, for good books, the legs will always grow, during repairs and moving there are often losses. This is familiar to me.

[Aviator_]

It would be okay if the books get to someone who is interested in the issue, and I am so afraid that this is just a team that was doing the repairs, took to leaf through it, and threw it into the trash. This can be expected from the current "advanced class". Then they ruined me a Happy New Year greeting card from the students, it was as a bookmark.

[Reptiloid]

...... and threw it in the trash ...

it's not about today, in my opinion. I myself witnessed how Tajik workers brought 2 large boxes with books to the Secondary Bookshop. Some of them were expensive. (grabbed somewhere?) And we have a nearby market on Udelnaya, where on weekends the population can sell different things. I haven't been there for a long time, but the books are always there.

[Aviator_]

You can't get much out of the restricted area, you have to try hard. If there is copper or brass, then there are cases, they try, but not books.

[Alf]

Quote: lexus

the "Plato" system now has the "Cars" column

I wouldn't be surprised if the column "pedestrians" appears in it soon. Even with the sub-item "deceased".

Nope, Alexey, you will definitely get an article for "disclosing information that is not subject to open press."

[Lexus]

Vasily, hello!
We have only real, "gilded" criminals - "untouchable". And sick in the head.

[Kronos]

As the guardians said, they will adopt the new constitution and Putin will show everyone and he showed it!

[Varyag71]

nothing good can be expected from the Jewish government. My opinion is that we were sold and betrayed long ago, and now there is a mild version of genocide.

[Svarog]

Quote: Varyag71

a mild variant of genocide.

Where is already soft .. hard .. every year the population of the whole city decreases .. and this process will only gain momentum ..

[Varyag71]

I meant that we are destroyed in gentle ways. they are ready to wait for decades. if now we are literally being dragged into the oven, then it is clear what we will answer. Now everything happens under soft lulling from TV and media screens. Sometimes you turn on Good Morning in the morning, and there is such grace that it takes pride in the camp, only then reality returns. But there are enough of those who look and believe.

[Lexus]

destroyed in gentle ways

When the stranglehold is already tightened around the neck, it makes no difference whether it was lubricated before that or not.

[Svarog]

Quote: Kronos

As the guardians said, they will adopt the new constitution and Putin will show everyone and he showed it!

Yes, you need to be blind not to see the results and goals of the zeroed one.

[Varyag71]

My mother was recently traveling from vacation with her friend. And the conversation turned to power and GDP. So she with such pride told how she and her entire family voted for Putin and the amendments. The reason for voting was amazing. Because Putin is strong-willed and courageous.

[nnm]

Quote: Varyag71

Because Putin is strong-willed and courageous.

Women....))))
Although, you think the male reason is "Who else, if not him?" in 140 million countries, much better?

[paul3390]

Yes, he shows us 20 years already. One cannibalistic pension type reform of what it cost ... Directly the father of the people .. Benefiting - nowhere else.

[Alf]

Quote: paul3390

One cannibalistic pension type reform of what it cost ... Directly the father of the people .. Benefiting - nowhere else.

Now Boris55 will take the cellar and prove to you in no time that it was Putin who carried out the reform, and the bad boyars.

[Sentinel-vs]

How did it happen, it seems like your life
Flowed carelessly. Evil has sunk into oblivion, ahead
Intoxicated with freedom. And that freedom, here it is,
Your land has been sold, already picked up by someone,
And as if approved by you. And your friends are beats
Ruined and humiliated. In a new life "happy"
Few survived. Instead of fortresses
Build huts on the sidelines.
Try, guess who's next.
Evil does nothing by half
You decided it wasn’t, it just stuck in your back
Instead of a face-to-face battle, fair
But the word "honor" is not fashionable and uninteresting.
Evil was just waiting for your loneliness
When you have forgotten all the holy prophecies.
And everyone is in fear around and the truth to tell
Nobody dares
But you remember it is coming.

Evil smiled at you in the fakes of cinema
When you have forgotten your great past.
It was boring and unoccupied,
So the holy and wise mothers do not sleep.
Evil reaps the fruits that once sowed
You are surrounded from the east, south, west, north,
From the sea, from land, from the earth, from space,
And a stranger sits inside and controls your thoughts ...

Song Evil, VIA Disco Crash.

[Woodman]

Privatization is evil.

[paul3390]

Evil is capitalism. Barbaric privatization is just a consequence ..

[archiroll]

Old issues of "Wait a minute" will also be shown with the Disney logo ...

[paul3390]

That's when the news starts showing with the Disney logo ...

[rocket757]

And who was involved with us, imprisoned for their deeds ???
Although, very many deserve a well-sharpened "pencil" in the nth specific place, because "head to head" they certainly have overworked!
Free fantasies, on the topic .... saint they are not destined, it seems, never!

[darkesstcat]

Murdo showed a good example with drug dealers on what to do in such cases.

[rocket757]

There are examples for ... study! Ours are sent, sometimes, it will turn out, take over the vehicle. experience ..... positive results, consider no!
This is not even sad, this is information to seriously think about, but how are we going to live / survive further, are we going to ???

[darkesstcat]

Examples are not suitable here. The only way to rectify something is for the state to seize resource sources with the impossibility of removing them outside the country. Plus the genocide of the negatively directed ruling class including families and purges in the control bodies. Well, and something like a secret police that can come to anyone at night and a person will never return. + Clear rules of the game so that everyone knows the line beyond which one cannot cross. Then maybe life will become a little calmer and better. And I forgot to mention the executions broadcast on the air, so that everyone would know about the inevitability of punishment.

[rocket757]

Quote: Darkesstcat

sources of resources with the impossibility of removing them from the territory of the country.

sources of resources cannot be withdrawn from the territory of the country in any other way than the separation of the territory in which they are located.

Quote: Darkesstcat

Plus the genocide is negatively directed by the ruling class including families and purges in control bodies.

WAS, suggesting again and again?

[darkesstcat]

"sources of resources" in the concept of everything that is produced, including currency and the rest. Roughly speaking value.
"WAS, suggesting again and again?" - I don't see another option, in fact either the rulers should be moderate or should be afraid.

[rocket757]

At the expense of resources, I understood, just clarified.
It is possible to rob a state with a territory with resources. This can be done by both external forces and internal ones taking a comprador position!
We are very familiar with this, and even now there are more of them than is permissible by common sense and the interests of the country, the people!
To start now redistribution of everything and everyone, i.e. revolutionary changes .... very dubious prospects! There is no force that can do it, they are ready to implement it, there is no unity of the masses around such forces .... there are no prerequisites, there is no revolutionary situation !!!
And all that can be lowered from the top is a redistribution BETWEEN YOURSELF, loved ones, and this for the country, the people, can not bear anything positive !!! They are all like that, up there.
Question what to do?

[darkesstcat]

Nothing can be done in the short term. Even if you begin to destroy people (acts of terrorism, etc.) People who own the property will simply leave the country and leave their top managers. In fact, this is a stalemate and will not change. The arrival of a new leader from the people is not possible; he will simply be sued / killed. So the only option is a secret organization gradually making its way to the top and up to a certain point pretending that they are at one with the government, and then a military coup. Well, I really doubt that such a long-term plan is realistic.

[rocket757]

The power is of course vigilant, and it has servicemen! But if you carefully, according to a certain, network method, create your own organization, everything can work out!
It is clear that they will not protect, feed, like any fake oppositionists, a real popular movement, they are not stupid either, and understand what and who is dangerous for THEM. Well, there are textbooks and our people are no worse than others .... everything can work out!

[darkesstcat]

Then just do not burn yourself, otherwise you will become a terrorist organization.)

[rocket757]

The textbooks I recall are not on the lists of prohibited literature, YET! As soon as it became apparent, it began to seethe, the authorities would immediately collapse in a crowd ... but for now, this is just a free fantasy on the topic and such on the Internet milen! Just dreamers, they are not interesting to anyone.

[darkesstcat]

Yes, fantasy is fantasy.

[nnm]

Sorry, but neither the amendments to the Constitution nor the Criminal Code provide for punitive measures against foreign real estate of members of the families of officials.

[darkesstcat]

I forgive you.
But you yourself said that there should be inevitability of punishment, and knowing that not only you will suffer and no one can protect you, it is more terrible to steal. Sergei Snegov had a good book "The Dictator". There were good options for cleaning the country, though not civilized by modern standards, but what to do.

[depressant]

Exactly! They grab them, give them time limits, put them in jail - deputies. As part of the redistribution of property or grain positions. But none of the political figures, except Furgal, but again in terms of the redistribution of property, the exclusion of an attempt on the property of the chief oligarchs.
They push, closely to them. The privatization plan, when put into its nefarious action, should expand the field of opportunities for predators to relieve tension between them.

[rocket757]

A game with only one goal, in favor of one team .... it seems to me, to shout DOCOLE !!! useless now.

[nnm]

Do you think it would be more correct to be silent?

[rocket757]

Describe the method as a public, you and I, we can have at least some influence on the authorities, on the processes taking place in the country ... we already wrote that once!
Do not yell, in vain, study, study, study and move on to the practical implementation of what you have learned !!! Of course, it should have been done TODAY, but as it turns out, so do it!
Nobody except US, nobody for us, you have to make your own life.
The main thing to remember is that no one will even hear the cry of a loner !!! All together!

[darkesstcat]

And all together no one will hear or will not listen. In vain is the corporate security department eating up its bread.) Too zealous will be eliminated and raising the wrong questions.

[rocket757]

Everyone will always be heard together! Here's how things will develop further ??? We must create a full-fledged organization throughout the country! There are no other, effective options.

[darkesstcat]

And they will declare you terrorists and let them down under the article on violating the integrity of the state. Only 3 things are needed: Idea, Resources and a Stalin-level Leader. Then you can talk about something.

[rocket757]

They are afraid of wolves, don't drink champagne!
At the expense of the danger of the integrity of the state, the focus will not work! The textbooks, which I remind you of, did not write fools !!! There are NO separatist and other similar ideas! Here is the threat to the existing SYSTEM of power, you can find there, even necessarily, BUT, it describes the correct, legal, rules of political struggle, without extreme !!! do not be fools all that wrote.
Everything has its time, everything is strictly in stages.
Without problems, losses, this cannot be done, but there is no other way.
The three conditions you wrote about WILL NOT APPEAR BY YOURSELF! THEM SHOULD BE PREPARED, CREATED!

[darkesstcat]

This is now, and when the system begins to defend itself, it can immediately become.)
"The three conditions that you wrote about WILL NOT APPEAR BY YOURSELF! THEM SHOULD BE PREPARED, CREATED!" - the moment of creation is just the main moment of risk.

[rocket757]

That is why we do not fly because we have NO high-flying leader!
The wings will not flap, the muscles have almost atrophied, and the feathers have begun to fall out, and will soon turn into not birds, but your crawling earthlings! This is just sad.

[darkesstcat]

"that we have NO high-flying leader!" - which is from the power? So they usually calmly donate meat to solve their problems.

[rocket757]

Whose power do we have? The ruling class.
Who is our ruling class? Rich fat belly!
I do not consider them mine, for us, NEVER!
From there what psisa can appear? Only a vulture ... it certainly flies high, but for what purpose? The answer is clear ...

[Ingvar 72]

Zaputintsy will now begin their song that privatization will give money to the budget, and enterprises will start working more efficiently with new owners. With these reasons, the whole Motherland has already been sold.
It is impossible to justify everything with economic efficiency; from this point of view, it is more efficient to send the female part of the family to the panel.
There are spheres that cannot be privatized even if they are absolutely unprofitable.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

from this point of view, it is more efficient to send the female part of the family to the panel.

... Reminded an anecdote from the 90s. The husband comes home from work, the salary is not paid for 4 months, he gathers his family, wife, mother-in-law, 2 adult daughters, and let's ask if they could go to the "panel." difficult financial situation of the family. '' I sighed in my hearts: there are four women in the family with low social responsibility, and there is nothing to eat at home.

[apro]

Judging by the lists ... a blow to science and medicine ... in a timely manner ... for one thing and pension cases will be corrected ...
Then I heard exclamations about nationalization. The power of the bourgeois will not help, and this provided for ... losses on the budget. Profit for the pocket. If goal-setting is money in the pocket, then everything else is on the side, including the attavisms of Bolshevism in the form of social obligations ...

[rocket757]

The fight against Bolshevism, Soviet, was started by people who were not fools, with specific selfish interests!
They destroy all the conquests, achievements of the Soviet system, which in the whole WORLD, all normal people consider GREAT!

[Old partisan]

Not all sold to friends, associates and partners. Not all . but you have to try !!!!

[DenZ]

Tin of course. Research institutes, what for? It should be understood that some of these enterprises are simply liquidated by new owners. It is more like a mixture of sabotage and / or unfair competition.

[Alf]

Quote: DenZ

Research institutes, what for? It should be understood that some of these enterprises are simply liquidated by new owners.

Before the liquidation, all the archives, all the developments of these research institutes will quietly and imperceptibly move to the new owners.

[Ervin]

I noticed that in the list of objects for privatization for 2020-2022 there is not a single enterprise or object from Crimea. Why is such an injustice for an all-data region? What, in Crimea - there are no objects for privatization and budget replenishment? It's time to contribute to the common "piggy bank", and not just take from the budget with a greedy hand!

[nnm]

"13 Black Sea Fleet Shipyard", Sevastopol;
"102 Enterprise of electrical networks", Sevastopol.

[Ervin]

So what? Do you think someone will buy them for that price or give even more at the auction? The sanctioned "Nord Stream 2" can be put up for sale with the same success. We need real lots for sale, so that there is a replenishment of the budget, and not fake statements.

[nnm]

Quote: Ervin

The sanctioned "Nord Stream 2" can be put up for sale just as well

Something not a single holder is in a hurry to sell his share ...

Quote: Ervin

We need real lots for sale, so that it is exactly the replenishment of the budget

"What are you, ..., an impostor, are you squandering state land?"

[Ervin]

What does the land have to do with it, dear? Are there not enough Crimean hotels, dispensaries, hospitals that after 2014 ceased to have owners? Is it easier for you to sell a scientific institute of national importance or a hotel in Crimea is no man's fault?

[nnm]

Quote: Ervin

What does the land have to do with it, dear?

Yeah, I see ... analogies are not yours. Let me put it simply - it was not you who created (I do not specifically mean you) - and it is not for you to squander!

Quote: Ervin

Are there not enough Crimean hotels, dispensaries, hospitals that after 2014 ceased to have owners?

You can find out the TIN or other coordinates of at least one such - with pleasure in Crimea I will buy such a property for a penny!

Quote: Ervin

Is it easier for you to sell a scientific institute of national importance or a hotel in Crimea is no man's fault?

Simpler - a hotel But ... when speaking of state interests one cannot operate with the terms "simpler-more difficult", one should think about deferred results. Of course, it is easier to sell a sanatorium on the seashore than to load a shipyard with orders, but you need to think in such matters not in terms of money, but in terms of defense capability, production potential, etc.

[Alf]

Quote: nnm

but thinking in such matters should not be in terms of money, but in terms of defense capability, production potential, etc.

The bloody tyrant could think in such categories, but not These, who do not refer themselves to Russia. And their thinking is different.

[Alf]

Quote: Ervin

Are there not enough Crimean hotels, dispensaries, hospitals that after 2014 ceased to have owners?

And where did you get the idea that they stopped having owners? The old ones, yes, they kicked out, but do you really think that such tidbits are a draw? A couple of years ago there were scandals in which our Nyasha appeared, and then they cleaned up the info.

[Snail N9]

And why should they sell their share in the sp-2, which now no one needs for nothing? They will do everything smarter - they will wait for sanctions from Merkel because of the "Navalny case", then they will abruptly jump off the project, motivating it with "force majeure" - "by the actions of the bloody gebni from Russia, then they will submit to arbitration against Russia to pay them all their project costs. compensation for direct and indirect losses, compensation for lost profits and other things due to the actions of the “poisoners from the Kremlin.” Arbitration recognizes their correctness and hangs all these payments on Russia and Russia, as they usually pay them, since it does not want to quarrel with the necessary “partners” This circus with "Navalny's poisoning" was played out for the sake of implementing this plan, since Western investors realized that the sp-2 is a corpse, and the United States will push its line along it to the end.

[nnm]

How and where will they jump if they have already paid for their shares with real billions of dollars?

[Snail N9]

Even as they jump off, they planned it. This is a loss of $ 5 billion for you - you can't even understand how much money it is, but for international corporations this is a relatively small loss, for example, Exxon Mobil spent about $ 75 billion on eliminating the consequences of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, through their fault! And nothing. In addition, I wrote in my post - they motivate their escape from the project by force majeure of which they will blame Russia, which "poisoned Navalny" and they say all investors cannot continue to participate in the project in such conditions and, believe me, any Western arbitration court will recognize them 100% "legal side" and hang their losses and lost profits on Russia. Moreover, these investors will even benefit from this, since instead of sanctions from the United States and incomprehensible prospects for recoupment of the project, they will receive a 100% guarantee of the return of funds spent, plus the so-called compensation for "lost profits". Personally, I am plagued by vague doubts that the Kremlin is even playing along with them in this story with Navalny - obviously someone has agreed on something with "Western investors" and in their favor, for example, to get later behind the scenes part of the "lost profit" or something else ...

[Snail N9]

For anyone in this story with SP-2, everything will follow a long-established track, along which any activity is carried out by "effective managers" and "patriotically oriented entrepreneurs" from Russia - "personalization of profits and nationalization of costs and losses" ...

[Alf]

Quote: Ervin

I noticed that in the list of objects for privatization for 2020-2022 there is not a single enterprise or object from Crimea. Why is such an injustice for an all-data region? What, in Crimea - there are no objects for privatization and budget replenishment?

It's just that everything that is needed has already been taken apart.

Everything about our Nyasha has already been cleaned up.
By the way, the singer Makariy and Hippoksenia also have their own interests there.
There is nothing special to grab, everything was divided long ago and at once.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Ervin

I noticed that in the list of objects for privatization for 2020-2022 there is not a single enterprise or object from Crimea. Why is such an injustice for an all-data region? What, in Crimea - there are no objects for privatization and budget replenishment? It's time to contribute to the common "piggy bank", and not just take from the budget with a greedy hand!

The 13th shipyard is located in Sevastopol (Kilen-Bay). In 1973, or at the very beginning of 1974, while still in active service, as part of a team of installers, he installed and debugged a fire extinguishing system and film equipment on one of the large anti-submarine ships.

[Ervin]

Quote: nnm

You can find out the TIN or other coordinates of at least one such - with pleasure in Crimea I will buy such a property for a penny!

No you can not. Because I don't do it. But those who are engaged - for some reason they do not. And I am absolutely right! Even you, personally, are ready to invest your money in privatization by purchasing nobody's property in Crimea. And the budget would receive real money. And what about your privatization of these objects:
"13 Black Sea Fleet Shipyard", Sevastopol;
"102 Enterprise of electrical networks", Sevastopol.
The answer is no way! You won't get your money out of matni to invest in the budget and the economy! So it turns out that I - right and speak to the point. And you, and even like the author of the article, are making fun of me, making fun of me. It's a shame!

[nnm]

Quote: Ervin

No you can not. Because I don't do it.

Then why write about it if you don't know? Declaring that owners are abandoning real estate, which has risen in price several times after joining! I would like to see such benefactors!

Quote: Ervin

And I am absolutely right!

Quote: Ervin

So it turns out that I'm right

The main thing is to convince yourself of this, right? And there is no room for doubt!

Quote: Ervin

And you, and even like the author of the article, are making fun of me, making fun of me. It's a shame!

And in my thoughts there was no mockery! I am really ready to buy ownerless real estate in Crimea, which, according to your statements, is a lot.

[Ervin]

Well, I'm not asking you why YOU are writing if you do not participate in this process, do not influence this process and have nothing to do with it, right? I freely state my useful, as I think, thoughts, just as YOU do. You expressed your opinion, I carefully read what you wrote and expressed my thought. Or does your article not imply dialogue? Or do you insist on your exclusivity, Your Majesty?

[Radical]

Quote: SRC P-15

Having rummaged a little in my memory, I remembered one of the documents signed by the highly respected D.A.Medvedev a couple of weeks before he left the post of Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.

Or maybe for this document Medvedev fell into disgrace and was dismissed? So as not to run ahead of the locomotive, so to speak.

Who ... got it? Where ... have you got to? How funny! In "disgrace" in the Kremlin way - it's like with Siluanov. This one really - "hit".

[sergo1914]

Firm "Melodia"? Moving to vinyl? Cool.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Vinyl and turntables are really cool and expensive, both technique and records ..

[sergo1914]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

Vinyl and turntables are really cool and expensive, both technique and records ..

The humpback at the Palace of Culture will be opened again. Eh, let's live again humanly!

[Alf]

Quote: sergo1914

Firm "Melodia"? Moving to vinyl? Cool.

So such a company can write a CD .. Yes, and the percentage in the form of copyright has.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

But uncles with thick leather wallets will come, invest some money and these enterprises will become more beautiful day by day. They will expand production, create new jobs, there will be new equipment, products will become competitive, etc. According to the information on the Vremya, Go channel, everything is fine with us, what factories were built, how the AZLK was re-equipped, etc., but you are stirring up panic, everything is gone. The country, after 70 years of totalitarian yoke, is developing ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

I don’t see domestic automotive equipment at all, if we do not take into account what was produced under the USSR. Vases-Renault-Nissans, KAMAZ, semi-German ones are running ... But it’s not the point ... even if there are no cars, but the AZLK buildings are not idle, they work there other manufacturers produce .. according to Time, go ahead. Life, according to this channel, is getting better. It seems that if you watch this channel every day, Russia will go beyond the boundaries of the universe and will explore new worlds, and not today or tomorrow.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

The country, after 70 years of totalitarian yoke, is developing ...

After three hundred years of Tatar-Mongol-Khazar-Pechenezh yoke!

[Radical]

Quote: depressant

Yes, damn it, I knew about the plan to privatize everything and everything even before the New Year, already then I was stifling anger. He, the scoundrel Medvedev, scattered everything on the shelves for a long time and presented the country with a pod on the holiday. In the same place, even earlier, interest was set by years, how much per year it is necessary to privatize - 10% per year, but it did not work out. Either there were no volunteers, or it was too important for the state's strategy and it was impossible.
And now a political dead man with a bony hand pulls us out of the grave! Six years before that, he brought down the country's economy to "negative growth", and now, according to his paper, it must be completely ruined.
What is it! Either throw that paper to hell, or let the clever one review it.

Lyudmila Yakovlevna, calm down. The one about whom you write more alive than all the living, and he is not by himself. Figuratively speaking - Bobchinsky and Dobchinsky, they are not separable! Both in literature and in life.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

The more the state leaves the economy, the better the economy works. For example, the US defense industry does not interfere with the fact that there are private companies providing weapons. The only negative is that private traders overstate the price tags, in this regard, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation works effectively, but in other segments the state needs to leave, as 70 percent of the state's participation in the economy is bad for the economy. "FAS announced state control over 70% of the Russian economy
The Federal Antimonopoly Service criticized the increase in the state's share in the economy and the policy of import substitution. According to the department, it is the state that is the main enemy of competition today. "

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/29/09/2016/57ecd5429a794730e1479fac

[nnm]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

Federal Antimonopoly Service criticized the increase in the share of the state in the economy and import substitution policy.

I remembered Gaidar's words: "We don't need to produce anything - we'll buy everything abroad."

[Antonio_Mariarti]

It would work quietly, if we were friends with the West, then on the sale of resources and investments from the West, we would gradually, but would grow in income. But we quarreled with the West, and what do we have? Incomes have grown by 10 percent in 3 years. It's worth it?

[tank64rus]

Give a colony with 10 million for oil rigs, period.

[nnm]

I don't know by what parameters the FAS made its assessment, but in 2016 the Ministry of Finance announced data on 33% of GDP from the public sector.

[Alf]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

"FAS announced state control over 70% of the Russian economy

[Ervin]

Quote: nnm

And in my thoughts there was no mockery! I am really ready to buy ownerless real estate in Crimea, which, according to your statements, is a lot.

That's what you need to write about! Do not let your drool go, clucking that SoyuzMultfilm is being sold, but come up with real ideas about how to support the general budget necessary for the country's survival! It depends on your position and the position of many others! So I expressed a theory that you will be ready to shell out all your money from your matni to buy ownerless real estate in Crimea? And she got to the point - you can run to do it even now! so it is necessary to express such ideas, and not try to sell large objects to large players, the purchase of which automatically means sanctions and economic death! Don't believe me? Well, find Sberbank in Crimea! And what's the point of your article, when one idea of ​​mine is more valuable than your chatter?

[nnm]

Quote: Ervin

And what's the point of your article, when one idea of ​​mine is more valuable than your chatter?

Excuse me, but what is your idea? I don't quite understand, honestly.

[Ervin]

My idea was a simple incentive for such "players of privatization" as you - to pull money out of the bag and invest it in the country's economy. And believe me, if the population of the country could more actively invest their assets in real objects of privatization - there would be more sense than from the dubious privatization of one large object with a dubious reputation (sanctions to make it clearer for you).

[nnm]

Why do you think Russians are not eager to invest in their own economy?

[Ervin]

How do I know? I'm not MinSotsPolitiki! Or, in addition to privatization in Crimea, you still want to discuss this topic with me: "why are the Russians not eager to invest in their own economy?"
Why do you think that Russians are not eager to invest in their own economy? I think many will already object to you. Farmers, small businesses, everyone who is used to working instead of sitting in Moscow and wondering if there is life beyond the Moscow Ring Road!

[nnm]

Quote: Ervin

I think many will already object to you. Farmers, small businesses, everyone who is used to working instead of sitting in Moscow and wondering if there is life beyond the Moscow Ring Road!

The contribution of domestic banks to the financing of capex was 5,9%.
Issue of corporate bonds provided 1,6% of investments, issue of shares - 0,5%.
More than half of the total volume of capital investments - 51,1% - were financed by organizations from their own funds, another 10,5% were contributed by their higher structures.
The share of budgetary funds was 9,7%.

And they do not want to invest for the simplest reasons - because of the constant changes in the rules of the game and corruption.

[Ervin]

With stability, there are no permanent changes in the rules of the game and corruption. This is not the 90s for you!

[Alf]

Quote: Ervin

With stability, there are no permanent changes in the rules of the game and corruption.

Right. And where is the stability?

[Ryaruav]

those who have billions in their essence are not Russians, they have 3 citizenships

[tank64rus]

Do not get drunk, Belarusians you want the same, go on at the rally and go on strike.

[darkesstcat]

What are you, we are on strike against the overdue fascist president, there is no time to think about the economy and the consequences. A just war must be waged!

[nikvic46]

Today there is nothing more harmful than privatization. Those who privatized an apartment know, while we were obediently in line, handed over documents in batches without queue. And we got to the bottom of every letter. There are our own and there are others. But that's not even the point. If we were to audit the country now, we would see a bunch of industrial facilities that are simply empty. They were privatized to sell at a higher price.

[Ryaruav]

everything is not enough for bastards, and after all this you strongly condemn the actions of the illiterate poor in 1917-1918? so they didn't have zombies and irons where: OOO Izaura !!! (putin) hatred of fat cats not only from the bulk, but also from leading engineers, doctors

[parusnik]

On the other hand, you never know what they will write, FSUE Rosmorport has been wanting to be incorporated since 2005, they are already tired of waiting. The only crap, reorganization, they will cut jobs, then they will restore the staff again.

[Zinoviy]

As for "losing forever", it's unlikely.
There are articles of the Criminal Code: "Fraud on an especially large scale with the use of official position" and "Bonded agreement".