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Who lives well in Russia and what to do about it?

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After returning to the VO website, reading the comments, I noticed that, whatever the topic under discussion, very often respected commentators find the root cause of internal problems precisely in the fact that fewer and fewer of those who are offended for the state are in power, and more and more those whose wives during searches, rounding their eyes, declare that they see dozens of boxes with currency collected by investigators from the bins of the next Zakharchenko for the first time, and before that they had not noticed these deposits of green papers with portraits of all kinds of presidents.


And reading our comments with you, I wanted to invite you to sort out the eternal questions together: "who is to blame?" and "what to do?" Anticipating calls for the return of SMERSH, Stalin and Beria, I want to say that you have to be realistic, and, no matter how much you want, you need to understand that at this historical stage, the implementation of such wishes is impossible due to objective reasons. (Because the same Zakharchenko, well, will never come out with a proposal to create a punitive body that will come to him in the first place. How to understand this clarification, think for yourself.)

I want to make a reservation right away that in order not to confuse you with references to the Budget Code, government decrees, orders of the Ministry of Finance and various international standards, so beloved by us recently, I will try not to overload readers with unnecessary information and try to highlight only the essence. So, if I miss something, do not disclose the details of the discussion topics, I ask you not to throw stones strongly.

So, to understand what the modern system of financial control has come to: after 2016, the main control body, the Federal Service for Financial and Budgetary Supervision (Rosfinnadzor), was abolished in the country. This is the same KRU, those same "The auditor is coming to us!" The only global system with a vertical structure, covering all subjects of the Russian Federation. This service operated independently of the heads of the subjects, municipalities, ministers and directors of state-owned enterprises. It was she who was the main instrument of subsequent external control. That is, these were the very people who came for audits, raised documents on the perfect facts of economic life and turned out even state-owned companies, even the governors' finance departments.

Moreover, Rosfinnadzor had the right to conduct inspections regardless of departmental subordination (and the Ministry of Defense, and the executive branch, and state employees, and state companies). All regional administrations were subordinate not to local authorities, but only to a superior leader. And each department was confined exclusively to the central Moscow department.

Now this structure simply does not exist. Formally, the powers of this service are distributed among other bodies, but there is one caveat: the Treasury, which has received the bulk of the functions, does not conduct subsequent inspections. Everything that, in fact, it does: preliminarily agree on contracts, documents for payment, etc. That is, if earlier the auditors came, raised the acts of completed work, for example, KS-2, went out into the field and looked at what was built, how much was built, whether it was in line with the prices, ordered technical expertise, etc., now KS-2 in the Treasury it is checked BEFORE the stage of the construction (repair) itself. And not on the subject of whether the prices are reasonably included and whether the supplier's price for components is correctly determined, but simply on the subject of whether there is money for this article or not. That's the whole oil painting.

Yes, I agree, we can say: there are counting chambers of different levels, there are control departments at governors, in ministries, but, as always, there is one "but": in their overwhelming mass, these are actually people NOT independent of the objects of control. How do we often appoint the heads of large and profitable enterprises and organizations? That's right, "by acquaintance". And who, for example, in his right mind, will let local auditors write that the roads in the city are redrawn at the expense of the budget several times, when the supervising deputy head of the region is an inviolable person (the example, of course, is completely conditional and does not contain references to any specific region)? That is why we will sit and listen to how he, with a blue eye from the TV screen, talks about how contractors are eliminating previously identified violations for their money.

Who lives well in Russia and what to do about it?

And the reason is simple: the lack of actual functional independence of controllers. Well, there is no way an auditor subordinate to the head of the region can find billions of violations committed by a company affiliated with this very head at facilities supervised by a friend of the head - the director of some department, etc.

More precisely, he can reach these violations, but as he does, he will leave with them and with a work book in his hands at best.

Moreover, the principle of functional independence in all documents, of course, is indicated as fundamental. But this is seen from above in a very simplified version: since the auditor from the finance department checks the school, then everything is fine, because he is not subordinate to the school director. And the fact that this director is a friend of the director of the department and the builders are the same companies in all schools, and in fact banal "pads", the legislators do not take into account.

And as for the auditors themselves, yes, it is almost impossible to find real specialists, but really no one in the country trains them. And just take a good accountant, financier, auditor, etc. and it is impossible to appoint him as an auditor. Because an auditor is more a state of mind, or something, this is the ability to always be under pressure, this is the ability to understand not so much purely financial issues as in people, this is the ability to always be one step ahead than those you are testing, this is the ability quickly learn to change even technological processes, because today you check the construction, tomorrow the oil workers, and the day after tomorrow a hospital or school. And do not forget that this is also a very dangerous specialty (and loyalty to someone does not always give you an indulgence), in my memory there were arson of apartments, and night chases of athletes, and poisoning with diclofenac with theft of documents, and even burned alone with his family ...

And a good, real auditor is now a huge rarity. Throughout my many years of practice, out of hundreds of full-time auditors, I have seen only three of them. And they eventually went into commerce.

I apologize if I'm tired of the text in “many letters”, but it seems to me that the topic of financial control is one of the main parts of the economic security of the state and one of the paths that we really need to go through to fight corruption. And therefore, if you are interested in this topic, I am ready to continue the story on this topic.

I understand that now I have not made even the slightest general overview, but only one of the smallest sections of the problem has highlighted, but nevertheless, in the future, you can consider more interesting topics, for example:

1. What the system of financial control sees the state in the near future.
2. What does the Accounts Chamber do and why the figures from its reports often have nothing to do with real violations.
3. Control system in the Ministry of Defense.
4. The main violations in construction and methods of their detection.
5. The main methods used by customers to "weed out" foreign bidders.
6. Spetsstroy, Volosov and Vostochny.
7. Why the results of the auditors' work are not visible.
And many others.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 15 September 2020 10: 05
    -1
    The area of ​​state participation in the economy is shrinking, naturally, and state control is also falling. Zakharchenko's billions are a consequence of the fact that state structures (special services) climbed into the private economy with control rights.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 10: 32
      14
      Quote: BAI
      Zakharchenko's billions are a consequence of the fact that state structures (special services) climbed into the private economy with control rights

      Could you give examples? Do you mean tax or what? Please, before giving an example, think about what I will answer you on the example of "Lame Horse" and many others, when the state did not apply its regulatory function to private business.
      Someone really does not care, but business absolutely does not care about anything except profit.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 15 September 2020 11: 24
        13
        Not really give a damn, and not everyone, especially at the middle and lower levels. But business has been put in such conditions and not without the "help" of the state.
        This is me about my personal experience of "communicating" with the reviewers. All of them just stick out your pocket, and the conditions are often such that you fulfill them and go with the sum for "investments".
        And I saw help from the state as from a goat of milk.
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 12: 22
          17
          I agree. A huge problem is that even those who would like to pay taxes, do not go into the shadows, ask - why am I paying? My mother's pensions are not increasing, the medicine is terrible, etc., so why should I pay for taking dogs to exhibitions, etc.? And no matter how I would like, but in the most part I agree with them.
        2. depressant
          depressant 15 September 2020 12: 38
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          Colleague RUnnm, I welcome you!)))
          Great article! I will look forward to continuing on all the topics you indicated. We need such a conversation for a long time.
          For example, it became a revelation for me that the country had a Rosfinnadzor with powerful powers. I’m here, you know, struggling to shout: "Where is the responsibility?!?" The one that is the result of tight control. And it cannot be, because Rosfinnadzor was removed.
          And Rosfinnadzor was removed because powerful corrupt officials who had considerable funds could organize not only the murders of auditors, but also provoke political actions that seriously destabilize the state at an inopportune historical moment. And so they switched to an unobtrusive form of departmental control. This is when they take the deputy by the gills, and his boss has nothing to do with it. Which always caused me surprise to the point of amazement: what kind of boss are you if you don't know what your subordinates are doing.
          1. nnm
            15 September 2020 12: 42
            +7
            Thank you very much for your rating.
            Quote: depressant
            And so they switched to an unobtrusive form of departmental control.

            - oooh, it would be better not to go! )))) But more on that later)))
          2. nnm
            15 September 2020 12: 44
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            Quote: depressant
            This is when they take the deputy by the gills, and his boss has nothing to do with it. Which always caused me surprise to the point of amazement: what kind of boss are you if you don't know what your subordinates are doing.

            - You just described the results of the implementation of the materials of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation on checking "Rusnano" in the recent past))))
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 15 September 2020 12: 43
        -3
        Quote: nnm
        Could you give examples?

        Did these auditors drive Gelenvagens and Brijuni suits?
        maybe I'm confusing them with other reviewers ...
        by the way, is there any data on the effectiveness of your auditors?
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 12: 53
          +6
          Quote: NEOZ
          Did these auditors drive Gelenvagens and Brijuni suits?

          There are some. As in ordinary society, there are different people. As in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are people like Evsyukov, and there are people like Nurbagandov.

          Quote: NEOZ
          maybe I'm confusing them with other reviewers ...

          I find it difficult to answer for you ...

          Quote: NEOZ
          by the way, is there any data on the effectiveness of your auditors?

          If you are about the data on how many violations were detected, what materials were generated and where they were transferred - yes, there is.
          1. imobile2008
            imobile2008 16 September 2020 08: 16
            0
            Revizorro got better in Germany and is on the mend. We are waiting for new episodes from him, "who lives well in Russia"
      3. BAI
        BAI 15 September 2020 13: 57
        +3
        Could you give examples?

        What examples do you need? Are you saying that Zakharchenko has billions of cash from state-owned enterprises? Have you heard anything about the M and K FSB departments?
        Firefighters, SES - a trifle in comparison with them. The Ministry of Natural Resources can also be remembered as the controlling authorities - when YUKOS was drowned, they also inserted their 5 kopecks - in one of Yukos' subsidiary farms, rabbits lived too closely and multiplied too actively, which was harmful to their health.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 September 2020 19: 58
          -2
          I believe that now the main bodies in the fight against corruption are the FSB and the Investigative Committee.
          This can be judged at least from the press.
          Here is the message from Kommersant on September 8th.

          Employees of the FSB and the Main Investigation Directorate (GSO) of the TFR conducted searches of Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Tikhonov, Deputy General Director of the Russian Energy Agency (FGBU REA) of the Ministry Igor Kozhukhovsky and other officials in a criminal case of alleged fraud on an especially large scale. After investigative actions in the ministry, Mr. Kozhukhovsky, according to unconfirmed official reports, was taken for interrogation to the investigative committee.

          And what is significant:
          The searches were not authorized by the court - they were formalized as urgent investigative actions.
          The villains are evidently going to flee abroad.

          Here:

          According to Kommersant, they (the investigation) were carried out within the framework of a criminal case initiated by the Main Investigative Department of the ICR under Part 4 of Art. 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (fraud on an especially large scale), which is in the proceedings of the investigator for especially important cases, Maxim Bakun.
          Until recently, he was investigating another high-profile case - against a large American investor, the head of the Baring Vostok fund, Michael Calvey, who, along with five accomplices, was accused of embezzling 2,5 billion rubles. Now the defendants are getting acquainted with the materials of the investigation, and Mr. Bakun switched to energy.
          ======

          Or here's another, this is from tomorrow.ru, August 6:
          In Moscow, law enforcement officers detained the vice-rector of Moscow State University for general issues (Mr. Sadovnichy hastily ordered the removal of the relevant data from the university's website), the former Minister of Construction of the Samara Region, an energetic businessman and Doctor of Science Alexei Grishin, whom journalists call the business partner of the son of the former governor of Mordovia and the Samara region of Nikolai Merkushkin.

          Security officials visited a three-story palace worth 360 million rubles in the village of Dmitrovka, Krasnogorsk District, Moscow Region. Its owner was immediately convoyed to Saransk, as the case concerns the deliberate bankruptcy of the company in Mordovia.

          Grishin is the scion of Viktor Grishin, rector (since 2008) of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics, a member of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party, who previously headed the State Duma Committee on Federation Affairs and Regional Policy, was the deputy head of the United Russia "in the State Duma, and even earlier - he served as Deputy Prime Minister of Mordovia. Both dad and beloved child - doctors of economic sciences.

          On my own behalf, I will add that the Plekhanov Institute was known for its corruption back in Soviet times: the Abkhaz used bribes to pay for the admission of their children. Every now and then they heard: "My son entered Plekhanovsky!" It was a source of pride. And now the father of the criminal hero hastily left the post of rector of Plekhanovka, waving angelic wings. I do not believe you!. He was frightened that they would start digging under it, he left himself.
          By the way, during perestroika, Plekhanovka was also a well-known breeding ground for liberal sentiments. It is clear why. The then rector, apparently, had a lot of stockpiling, the legalization of good was required.

          Yes, there are a lot of such messages, you just have to look through the Internet press every day. And again, only the deputies are packed. As a hint to the chief executives. The fight goes on, but it has an unpleasant aftertaste. As if this is not a systemic fight against corruption, but the grabbing of individual figures according to an incomprehensible principle, and then you begin to think that this struggle is only in the mainstream of the redistribution of property, food places.
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 15 September 2020 10: 06
    +1
    the plaster of paris with bryuliants was removed to us. What else to do - that's what the supervision was dismissed.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 10: 38
      +5
      So the question is that the process of "removing" the plaster and now is in full swing.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 15 September 2020 13: 00
        0
        Quote: nnm
        So the question is that the process of "removing" the plaster and now is in full swing.

        removed the plaster and that's enough! let others shoot!
        by the way, the rotation works great!
        a rotation officer came from a neighboring region - at the fret of a grant ...
        in 3 years a Mercedes / apartment / cottage ... and back to my region to work for a salary ... wait for the next rotation ...
        in fact, this is the distribution of the corruption component to all employees of the department.
        and this is also a tool to improve the living standards of citizens !!!!!
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 15 September 2020 13: 49
          0
          nothing on Earth passes without a trace and the "extinct" liver is also immortal
  3. Far B
    Far B 15 September 2020 10: 14
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    Who lives well in Russia and what to do about it?
    There can be only one answer, if we proceed from the author's "one must be realistic". Exactly at data realities we we can only one: understand, visit (s).
    We can also try to change realities, but this is prohibited by law. laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 15 September 2020 10: 30
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      Quote: Far In
      Who lives well in Russia and what to do about it?
      There can be only one answer, if we proceed from the author's "one must be realistic". Exactly at data realities we we can only one: understand, visit (s).
      We can also try to change realities, but this is prohibited by law. laughing

      you just need to "treat with understanding ..." (c)
      1. nnm
        15 September 2020 10: 42
        0
        That's right and you don't need to change anything, right?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 September 2020 12: 30
          +8
          Guys exaggerate, it is necessary to change. But on everyone's lips - how?
          PS You forgot to mention the "effective" work of the FAS in the article.
          1. nnm
            15 September 2020 12: 34
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            PS You forgot to mention the "effective" work of the FAS in the article.

            I wrote it down.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 September 2020 12: 45
              +7
              Quote: nnm
              I wrote it down.

              No, I'm serious. The structure, by its very nature, is obliged to fulfill the functions of the economic Gestapo, works on a short leash with those it is obliged to control. hi
              1. nnm
                15 September 2020 12: 56
                +6
                I understood. Only there is an idea to sanctify some of the features of their activities in a slightly less well-known process - in the setting of utility tariffs
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 September 2020 13: 14
                  +2
                  I can advise you on housing and communal services - I worked for several years in one well-known management company
                  Togliatti. I know Situevina from the inside.
                  1. nnm
                    15 September 2020 13: 43
                    +1
                    In this case, I would be grateful for comments and ideas on the topic.
    2. nnm
      15 September 2020 10: 35
      0
      ... because at the present historical stage, you need to find other options.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 15 September 2020 12: 04
        13
        ... because at the present historical stage, you need to find other options.

        What options??? A group of people, having seized power and grabbing all the country's resources, will no longer give it all away without a fight. Well, what are the options here ... And the Civil War will kill the country, destroy it completely, so it cannot even be considered. And legal methods also cannot change anything. Here they change the basic law as it should ...
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 15 September 2020 10: 40
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      Quote: Dalny V
      change realities, but this is prohibited by law
      That is why the laws are written by those who legalized themselves after the "dashing 90s", got into power. We have that the lower classes cannot, but the upper classes do not want to. Here, only, in nature, the polarity sometimes changes, with a "polarity reversal", it may well turn out to be a classic one, when the upper classes can no longer, and the lower classes do not want to. No constitution and laws themselves will work here. The time of the law under the thieves, cannot continue indefinitely, everything becomes too obvious, 30 years after the USSR.
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 September 2020 12: 49
        +5
        Colleagues, you’ll laugh: the secret police. People live like everyone else. And everyone around thinks that these people are like everyone else. And they collect information, they receive documents, and one day a signal comes: we are going to, a control action in the morning. And in the morning, people report to their usual work that they are not well, and they themselves arrive at a certain manager bunker, put on masks, uniforms, which makes them unrecognizable, and suddenly appear at the control facilities of the department in different cities and towns. And when the check is over, they put on their everyday clothes again and, with a medical certificate in their hands, go to their everyday work. At least so, or something))))
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 12: 58
          +7
          Quote: depressant
          And they collect information, they receive documents, and one day a signal comes: we are going to, a control action in the morning. And in the morning, people report to their usual work that, they say, they are not well, and they themselves arrive at a certain control bunker, put on masks, uniforms, which makes them unrecognizable, and suddenly appear at the control facilities of the department in different cities and towns.

          The problem is already more complicated - in almost all posts that could give such a command there are already people who will never give it up.
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 September 2020 09: 32
            0
            Quote: nnm
            already there are people who will never give it away.

            Or the opposite - they will definitely give it up - the business will need to be redistributed ...
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 September 2020 10: 21
    19
    Everyone knows perfectly well that the most corrupt bodies are the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 15 September 2020 10: 29
      17
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Everyone knows perfectly well that the most corrupt bodies are the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.

      This is just a part of the created and built system!
      The fish rots from the head! hi
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 September 2020 10: 36
        21
        Quote: kapitan92
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Everyone knows perfectly well that the most corrupt bodies are the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.

        This is just a part of the created and built system!
        The fish rots from the head! hi

        1. Svarog
          Svarog 15 September 2020 11: 13
          12
          I have a feeling that there is no struggle at all, we literally have corruption in the law .. And they imprison those who did not share or have some other jamb ..
          There is no need to build complex schemes, it is enough to correlate income and expenses .. You just have to put everyone in jail .. in general, everyone ..
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 15 September 2020 11: 24
            +7
            Duc capitalism in the yard. And with him, they steal everywhere. Even in the citadel of democracy. Just differently. For what is the main goal of man under capitalism? Make money. And what is the easiest way to acquire it? Yes, steal of course! Well, how can we fight corruption in such a scenario? And why, if it fully meets the main demand of capitalism?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 16 September 2020 14: 49
              +2
              Quote: paul3390
              how to fight corruption in such a scenario? And why, if it fully meets the main demand of capitalism?

              corruption is convenient, the money bag orders laws, permits, etc.
              The installation goes to the FIGHT against corruption and not to VICTORY OVER IT!
              1. Alf
                Alf 16 September 2020 18: 01
                +2
                Quote: aybolyt678
                The installation goes to the FIGHT against corruption and not to VICTORY OVER IT!

                The main thing is not VICTORY, the main thing is PARTICIPATION!
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 15 September 2020 11: 15
          +5
          And kiss? Don't forget that. laughing
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 September 2020 11: 39
          +5
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: kapitan92
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Everyone knows perfectly well that the most corrupt bodies are the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.

          This is just a part of the created and built system!
          The fish rots from the head! hi


          Great remark !!!
        4. your1970
          your1970 16 September 2020 09: 35
          0
          Well, in general, they plant a lot and for quite long periods. In our district, for example, 6 people were imprisoned for bribes, moreover, at the level of heads-deputy, over the past 10 years.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 September 2020 12: 32
      +6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      judiciary

      Judges are generally a separate topic!
    3. BAI
      BAI 15 September 2020 14: 07
      0
      , this is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.

      Until Putin personally points out, none of those listed will move. Examples: soda in Ufa, oil spill in Norilsk. This is the last one.
      1. for
        for 15 September 2020 14: 51
        +2
        Quote: BAI
        Until Putin personally points out, none of those listed will move.

        He has a list of whom you can point to, and who can point to him.
      2. your1970
        your1970 16 September 2020 09: 38
        0
        Quote: BAI
        Examples: soda in Ufa

        What about soda? There, during the Soviet Union, the combine was built and one mountain was reset to zero - quite calmly ... And everyone did not care about reserved mountains like ...
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  6. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 September 2020 10: 28
    +7
    article put a plus! drinks

    but in fact ... nafik no one needs to control something now - or even "they will come to you" bully

    the chain of corruption in Russia begins with a primitive ... even from a janitor ... even from a traffic cop ... goes up ... and at the top, no one really needs them to be caught hi
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 September 2020 14: 19
      11
      That's right, colleague. Moreover, young generations perceive corruption not just as something natural, but as a kind of privilege given not to everyone. The other day it happened not often: the youngsters parked the car under my windows, and the music was deafening from the slightly open door. Well, that's easy for me. Came out. They told me: this one has rights. Your car? Do you have a driving authorization? And if I call the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate, and they punched a number in the database? They are silent, confused, hastily closed the room with carcasses. And suddenly one, defiantly so: do you know whose car it is? She's a cop! I smiled predatory and sly. I say, they say, are you substituting a police officer under an article on corruption? And while I was climbing the stairs to the apartment, they quickly disappeared.
      While they are afraid. But they feel the privilege. If it goes on like this, then in such cases I will begin to grab the lulla. We'll have to come from the loggia. Yes trees get in the way.
  7. Victorio
    Victorio 15 September 2020 10: 32
    +3
    better, and what is, immediately to the procurator. if anything, so to the prosecutor's office
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 10: 36
      +2
      And what do you think the outcome will be?
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 15 September 2020 10: 37
        +3
        Quote: nnm
        And what do you think the outcome will be?

        ===
        different, but you need to do
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 10: 41
          +1
          To be honest, the result will be such that in a couple of months, there will be simply no one to work.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 15 September 2020 10: 43
            +3
            Quote: nnm
            To be honest, the result will be such that in a couple of months, there will be simply no one to work.

            ===
            I already wrote - different, and whoever can find work. you will be offered, for example, to serve the country and society)
            1. nnm
              15 September 2020 10: 47
              +9
              So the question is that a person brings maximum benefit in the area where he is a real professional. Having kicked out a professional and replaced him with some Rogozin, we will not get any benefit, because one Korolev is equal to a million Rogozins and you can change them as often as you like, but it will be like in Krylov's fable about the quartet.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 15 September 2020 10: 53
                +2
                Quote: nnm
                So that's the question that a person brings maximum benefit in the area where he is a true professional. Having kicked out a professional and replaced him with some Rogozin, we will not get any benefit, because one Korolev is equal to a million Rogozins and you can change them as often as you like, but it will be like in Krylov's fable about the quartet.

                ===
                as a manager I will tell you - not necessarily, there would be a desire and a team that needs to be created / directed / controlled / encouraged
                1. nnm
                  15 September 2020 11: 01
                  +3
                  But you missed one point - you! For the skills of building a team's work, as you described, are available only to the pros. And again I will return to my example - a lot of Rogozin "created/ directed / controlled / encouraged "?
                  And the second nuance is in your scheme, the entire movement of the team forward will occur only in the +/- range of the tasks set by you. There will be no global initiative, none of the employees will be able to muster the courage to promote, prove to you an idea that you did not appreciate at first, but you will only understand it after a while ... everyone will be just executors, but there will be no responsible and proactive leaders.
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 15 September 2020 11: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: nnm
                    But you missed one point - you! AND

                    ===
                    yes, not only, it is better, of course, a good professional or manager, but also another, such a leader, perhaps hereditary, for example:
                    / On April 6, 1762, Emperor Peter III examined the newly completed Winter Palace in St. Petersburg. However, this date could have been different if the emperor had not taken a cunning move and hastened the "delivery of the object".

                    Imagine the global construction of a modern building. There will be remnants of building materials and just rubbish around it. It is clear that even during the construction of the huge palace, the remains of building materials "adorned" the whole square. It would take more than a week for workers to clean everything. and it was necessary to find a place where you could take everything.

                    And then Peter III came up with an ingenious move that would be worth adopting for some modern developers. The emperor allowed all residents of the city to take the remnants of building materials for themselves.

                    Needless to say, this cleaning of the area was completed in just a few hours. Probably, many later told their children that stones from the imperial palace were used in the construction of their house. /
                    1. nnm
                      15 September 2020 11: 29
                      +2
                      I am more impressed by the option of building the Pentagon - all the materials around the then foundation pit were laid out in rings around it based on their sequence of use in the construction / finishing process. After that, only construction began. And the materials were submitted exactly in the order of the rings and the process of erecting the box itself was incredibly short-term due to such logistics.
                    2. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 15 September 2020 17: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Victorio
                      And then Peter III came up with an ingenious move that would be worth adopting for some modern developers. The emperor allowed all residents of the city to take the remnants of building materials for themselves.

                      Needless to say, this cleaning of the area was completed in just a few hours. Probably, many later told their children that stones from the imperial palace were used in the construction of their house.

                      There is also a funnier option - to prohibit taking something away, but not to put up security. They will carry it away even faster. smile
                      There are stories that potatoes were introduced in Russia in this way.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 15 September 2020 20: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        There is also a funnier option - to prohibit taking something away, but not to put up security. They will carry it away even faster.

                        I have personal experience.
                        About 20 years ago, they began to build a new house behind my house. Construction went on as usual, but here's the moment. During the day they brought bricks, they worked until 7 pm. I went out with the dog at 8 pm, saw one pile of bricks, went out in the morning at 6 o'clock, the pile was half as much. But all the surrounding residents have built garages for themselves. The picture late in the evening was unique - the surrounding residents, like ants, ran to the construction site and everyone dragged away something. I confess I could not resist. For half a liter, two builders SAMI, they pinned me two bags of cement to the basement and also said, if you need anything, contact me. It's a shame, but where to go ... laughing
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 15 September 2020 12: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Victorio
                  there would be a desire and a team that needs to be created / directed / controlled / encouraged

                  The VSA has enough funds for this, I do not know how much for this year, but for 2019, according to the publication "Documents and Facts", the budget of the educational institution is 22 billion rubles. Moreover, it is difficult to call the HSE budget transparent.
                  1. nnm
                    15 September 2020 12: 28
                    +5
                    As Matroskin said, we don't have enough money ...
                    Let me give you an example. The construction of a huge complex in the suburbs is coming to an end ... someone comes, let's call him M ... he walked around, walked around and said - I don't like the color of the walls - repaint everything in beige !!! And the repainting of everything and everything in dozens of buildings and structures begins. After some time, another person arrives, let's call him ZM. He walked around and said - what a disgusting color - to repaint everything in pastel colors! And in response to the words that M said differently, he angrily broadcasts that he will agree with M. Everyone is repainted again ..... after a couple of months the official opening of the complex and M and ZM arrive together ... and then M notices that the walls are not of the same color ...
                    Everyone around is to blame, but not M and ZM ... it all ended with another repainting, which cost more than one million.
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 15 September 2020 13: 23
                      +4
                      Quote: nnm
                      Everyone is repainted again ..... after a couple of months the official opening of the complex and M and ZM arrive together ... and then M notices that the walls are not of the same color ...

                      At the beginning of 2000, a restaurant was built in Kaliningrad near the Rybny port and it seems that it was called Yantar, the mayor Gorbenko was invited to the opening, he came, looked, did not accept it. A week later they were invited again, but from the top to the bottom they painted it with the Russian flag, and on it they wrote the new name "Governor" (popularly "province"), and for the sake of the entrance they hung up the "bell". Looked and said, "You can, whenever you want." A clever man was found, but they would still be painting. (Although Gorbenka has been gone for a long time)
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 15 September 2020 14: 45
                        +4
                        Colleagues, you won't believe it, but I'm still talking about the same neighboring three-story building. Here, at VO, I have already described in detail how it was overhauled over the course of 4 years. One brigade of migrant workers in the number of a large crowd with two actually working will first plaster, well, or block the roof there, and then another brigade appears, rips everything off and does the same, but in a different way. The municipal commission comes, shakes its head in displeasure and everything is new, every year! In the spring, one brigade, in the fall - reworking what the spring did. And when, at the end of the 4th year, the address was hung on the building, which glowed at nightfall, I thought: well, that's it, thank God!
                        So it was not so!
                        They brought mountains of sand again, now they will repair the entrances. How much the administration got rid of on alterations and how much more it got. And everything is from the fund for capital repairs, and they take money from me there. Mentally burst into tears.
                      2. Victorio
                        Victorio 17 September 2020 12: 08
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        At the beginning of 2000, a restaurant was built in Kaliningrad near the Rybny port and it seems that it was called Yantar, the mayor Gorbenko was invited to the opening, he came, looked, did not accept it. A week later they were invited again, but from the top to the bottom they painted it with the Russian flag, and on it they wrote the new name "Governor" (popularly "province"), and for the sake of the entrance they hung up the "bell". Looked and said, "You can, whenever you want." A clever man was found, but they would still be painting. (Although Gorbenka has been gone for a long time)

                        ===
                        Gorbenko, when he "left" the mayors, tried to return the director / steer to the fishing port (it was his fiefdom), and Andrey Extreme, the future head of the Federal Agency for Fisheries, did not let him in. after that, the influence of the all-powerful Gorbenko began to decline. and the restaurant was probably closed or resold, the place is not very good, but 2005-2008 was still
                      3. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 17 September 2020 12: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        tried to return to the fishing port to direct / steer (it was his fiefdom), and his Andrei Krai, the future head of the Federal Agency for Fisheries,
                        No, he returned, there was a "Battle of the Titans" in the port, no foreigners except us were allowed for a week, but in September 2001 he returned to his previous position in the Kaliningrad fishing port, worked there until January 2004. In 2010, he opposed the protege of Moscow G. Boss, and lost. He died in the summer of the same year, death is incomprehensible. I knew him well, he was a strong man, an excellent manager, I can't say bad things, only good ones.
                      4. Victorio
                        Victorio 17 September 2020 20: 22
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Victorio
                        tried to return to the fishing port to direct / steer (it was his fiefdom), and his Andrei Krai, the future head of the Federal Agency for Fisheries,
                        No, he returned, there was a "Battle of the Titans" in the port, no foreigners except us were allowed for a week, but in September 2001 he returned to his previous position in the Kaliningrad fishing port, worked there until January 2004. In 2010, he opposed the protege of Moscow G. Boss, and lost. He died in the summer of the same year, death is incomprehensible. I knew him well, he was a strong man, an excellent manager, I can't say bad things, only good ones.

                        ===
                        Probably so, I have been to the fish market, he was no longer there. and I remember his war with the extreme, and worked nearby in the kmtp from 2002 to 2008.
                      5. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 17 September 2020 22: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        probably so, I have been to the fish house, he was no longer there. and I remember his war with the extreme

                        Gorbenko left, the port was destroyed. The last time was in 2013, there was an arrested person for six months, during this time three ships entered, there is no refrigerator, the berths collapsed.
                      6. Victorio
                        Victorio 18 September 2020 12: 58
                        0
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Quote: Victorio
                        probably so, I have been to the fish house, he was no longer there. and I remember his war with the extreme

                        Gorbenko left, the port was destroyed. The last time was in 2013, there was an arrested person for six months, during this time three ships entered, there is no refrigerator, the berths collapsed.

                        ===
                        on the one hand, he needed to invest and update, but something didn't work out. managers pumped up, cargo traffic went away and decreased, it happens. on the other hand, next to a commercial port, again precipitation, a canal. and at the exit baltiysk, better there too. and refrigerator 2 in a commercial port, and the second was built with me. was built for raw materials, poultry and fish processing products in the city, but they covered up this direction, I don't know how it is today.
            2. Mityasha
              Mityasha 16 September 2020 06: 07
              0
              I knew one military general. Nobody could have knocked out money for the repair of office premises, but due to his national characteristics he knocked out. We started, budget-wise, after a while we got to his office ... and then it began: plumbing, tiles, shower cabins, furniture, even a natural solid oak baseboard. The walls were repainted 6 (six) times, the master did not like the color. And the cabinet is not so small from the word at all. These 6 repaints would allow repainting the walls in 12-16 headquarters offices, where people sleep on tables.
              As a result, out of 5,5 floors of the building, half of the corridor of one floor and half of the offices of one floor are made cosmetically, but the prince has a horoma ...
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 15 September 2020 10: 37
    10
    Without Stalin and Beria in the USSR there was a firing squad, with confiscation of property, for theft on an especially large scale. So she must be returned. In addition, the families of those convicted under this article must be expelled from the European part of the Russian Federation, without the right to live in large cities, since the families of thieves and bandits are, in fact, accomplices in all crimes, because they know that they live on money obtained by criminal means
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 15 September 2020 11: 26
      +3
      It is necessary to change the system back, and not the articles in the Criminal Code ... For while the main measure of a person in life is loot - theft is ineradicable in principle ..
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 September 2020 12: 35
        10
        Exactly. And now the brothel beds are being rearranged. Strict laws are adopted, but they do not work, because all are friends around.
      2. Shadow041
        Shadow041 15 September 2020 14: 31
        0
        What system do you suggest ?! To return the Communist Party, whose party functionaries had apartments with parquet floors and housekeepers, and the country was Cuban sugar, at the price of golden sand ?! No thanks! I would like something more decent and not international, but for my country and its indigenous population, modeled on Saudi Arabia, whose indigenous population does not interfere with capitalism!
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 15 September 2020 16: 12
          0
          Do not be ridiculous - in comparison with noneshnie Soviet officials were ideological beggars and holy ascetics, ascetics .. Don't you think that the lamentations for the type of party privilege are outdated by that way for 30 years?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 September 2020 17: 32
            +2
            Quote: paul3390
            Do not be ridiculous - in comparison with noneshnyh Soviet officials were ideological hicks and holy ascetic ascetics ..


            Cotton business. Fishing business. Sochi-Krasnodar business. Purges in Georgia during the Chevy era.
            And do not forget that all these cases were limited to the republican-regional level. Maximum - Deputy Minister of the Union level. Both the law enforcement and the punitive authorities were short of reaching the "end consumers".

            And about ascetics and ascetics - tell Viktor Stepanychu. Which during the late USSR, with just three signatures, turned his ministry into a concern - which he proudly told in a film about the history of "Gazprom", which was shown once on "Russia 24". Berezovsky and Gusinsky are resting.
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 September 2020 18: 55
              +1
              In the photo I recognized the investigator Gdlyana. Maybe Ivanov is there, but I don't remember him. They said that at the same time, from the mansion of our Georgian Mzhavanadze (I then lived in the Abkhaz autonomy of this union republic), the investigators took out gold jewelry with buckets - there were so many of them.
              And none of us realized that this was already a struggle for the resources of the USSR, one with another. By the hands of investigators, some freed themselves a place from others under the future capitalist sun.
    2. for
      for 15 September 2020 14: 59
      +2
      Quote: Shadow041
      must be sent from the European part of the Russian Federation

      And what is outside the territory of the 2nd grade?
      1. Shadow041
        Shadow041 15 September 2020 15: 19
        +2
        And what do you think there is no difference between living in Sochi and in the village of the Kirov region ?! Believe it yourself, or so, decided to shake the air ?!
    3. your1970
      your1970 16 September 2020 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Shadow041
      The USSR was a firing squad, with the confiscation of property, for theft on an especially large scale. So she must be returned

      There was .... When in the 80s the first secretary of the regional party committee Mary (in Turkmenistan), the Moscow investigators tried to arrest, the guards fired on them, the local cops categorically refused to storm the dacha. And only the involvement of the Yolotan DShB helped them ...
      It's hard to beat off with machine guns against KPVT lol
      But the question is different - those to whom money went from him did not suffer in any way, at all ...
      This is enough to understand the situation with corruption in the USSR ...

      Z. Y. At his dacha, naked girls were sitting in the trees as songbirds ...
      This is the appearance of the "builder of communism" was the specific leader of the party in the field
  • nnm
    15 September 2020 10: 39
    +4
    Quote: Shadow041
    So she must be returned

    I always thought that the inevitability of punishment is much more important than its severity. You can introduce an article with a penalty of ten executions, do you think it will work?
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    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 15 September 2020 12: 01
      10
      Quote: nnm
      Quote: Shadow041
      So she must be returned

      I always thought that the inevitability of punishment is much more important than its severity. You can introduce an article with a penalty of ten executions, do you think it will work?

      Well, Serebryannikov and his comrades were punished for having stolen 129 million. They were given a suspended sentence. The punishment came inevitable, but what's the point? In our country, for such an amount, whoever wants to serve ... conditionally! This is not a fight against corruption, this is encouragement.
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 September 2020 15: 02
        +7
        Yes, the impression is that the heads of administrations of any level are specially arranged to work, and, according to their great acquaintance, in order to rob the state on a large scale, get 4 years, pay a paltry fine, and then, after leaving on parole in 1,5 years, then enjoy the stolen somewhere- somewhere abroad. I propose to make the whole family restricted to travel. Including children born after imprisonment.
        And then it turns out, the work is like this: he stole, served everything, nothing, rich. Seductive to many.
    3. Shadow041
      Shadow041 15 September 2020 15: 20
      +3
      Do you think that a conditional conviction for stealing billions of state money can really scare the embezzlers and stop them ?! You yourself believe in it, or so, you wanted to talk ?!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 September 2020 10: 42
    +4
    And many others.

    To the author ... come back, don't go anywhere ... our realities as they were AND MUCH MORE, they remain so!
    In this system of coordinates, connections and mutual guarantee, changes CANNOT BE!
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 10: 50
      +7
      Here I will allow myself to disagree with you. And I will give you the simplest example. The last years of the USSR - who could have imagined that such changes would take place? That the whole country will cease to exist? Not. And, you must admit, the system of state organization in the USSR was much more stable.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 September 2020 11: 03
        +2
        Question - What changes should occur, what would AND MANY MORE is gone ???
        I'm not just ABOUT CHANGES, all sorts of different ... like new faces in different offices, it's NOT ABOUT ANYTHING!
        I want that AND MANY MORE not gone!
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 11: 18
          +5
          I will try to answer you somewhat hypothetically, having formed only one of the few options for the possible development of events - now a terrible thing has happened for the authorities - the modern and subsequent generations have broken away from the main means of zombie -TV, and in schools, in working with ideology on a national scale, it demonstrates complete powerlessness in building a national consensus. And what the youth will be like now depends a lot on you, on me, on each person - we will be able to pass on to them our knowledge and history of the revelry of the saints of the 90s - excellent. We will be able to educate so that we would grow up and be responsible for our choice - great. Yes, a change in the social and political system is now impossible (and by this it is not necessary to understand the revolution, because there is also an evolutionary path). And yes, let it all start with local elections - let them make mistakes, elect populists, fill big shots, but they themselves must understand their responsibility and correct them. Yes, this is not a shortcut, but look, for example, how the ADG has endured in recent years the CDU / CSU, which seemed unshakable, even already in the western Landstags ...
          Whether it will turn out so - I do not know. But to put two options - revolution or "as it is, so it is," I consider a limitation of variations.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 September 2020 11: 41
            +3
            Quote: nnm
            A terrible thing for the authorities - the modern and subsequent generations have broken away from the main means of zombifying - TV, and in schools, in working with ideology on a national scale, it demonstrates complete powerlessness in building a national consensus.

            For me, NOT NEWS, Krichevsky, Potapenko and others began to talk about this, who are looking out the window, and not staring at TV. By the way, there are no such conversations on the radio, for example, together with the people who started talking about it. Yes, I do not comprehend our present reality on TV.
            Quote: nnm
            Yes, a change in the social and political system is now impossible (and by this it is not necessary to understand the revolution, because there is also an evolutionary path).

            Again NOT NEWS, and again those who talked about it always, everywhere, nowhere about it DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT !!!
            Quote: nnm
            And yes, let it all start with local elections - let them make mistakes, elect populists, fill big shots, but they themselves must understand their responsibility and correct them.

            Let it START with the creation of a truly WORKING organization, because as soon as the working class, large working collectives CAN at least create something, take the path of unification !!!
            Everything is as in the TUTORIAL!
            Quote: nnm
            Yes, this is not a shortcut, but look, for example, how the ADG has endured in recent years the CDU / CSU, which seemed unshakable, even already in the western Landstags ...

            What is really VISIBLE, the "green mold" is gaining POINTS, because the majority of serious "guys" have made a serious stake on it !!! !!! is ready to bet on it.
            Quote: nnm
            But to put two options - revolution or "as it is, so it is," I consider a limitation of variations.

            The revolution is hard, especially now there are NO prospects, preconditions.
            Evolution ... you still have to be able to! because there is NO EXPERIENCE of evolutionary development in our state, society and NEVER!
            Again and again, we must take textbooks and go to the people! no other result, no prospects!
            In short, the Susanins were enough for us in our lifetime, but Danko ... there is no him and ...
          2. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 15 September 2020 14: 53
            +2
            I'll add my five cents to this.
            A small observation.
            A granddaughter from Siberia has just visited us for a month. 19 years old, studying medicine. Every year he visits, so there are enough friends here. I had a birthday party, about 15 of her friends came. I sat with them for a while, talked. He started talking about politics - no, they say, we don't care. Are they apolitical? And then we accidentally started talking about the events in Belarus, and then everything changed. You should have seen with what hatred they all spoke in unison about Lukashenka. They were completely on the side of the protesters, without exception. Then I realized that young people are not so apolitical. Maybe we just don't know them enough?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2020 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      In this system of coordinates, connections and mutual guarantee, changes CANNOT BE!
      The "system" is not created to be broken.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 September 2020 11: 51
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The "system" is not created to be broken.

        Any SYSTEM will be protected! And to what limit it can reach in this, it is difficult to imagine, but for sure, nothing good shines for the infringers!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 September 2020 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Any SYSTEM will be protected!

          And it's almost impossible to fight against it. And whoever fights against the system, the system grinds him like a millstone.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 September 2020 12: 13
            +2
            No system is everlasting ... broke or outside interference, not the point. You can pick it off.
        2. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 15 September 2020 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The "system" is not created to be broken.

          Any SYSTEM will be protected! And to what limit it can reach in this, it is difficult to imagine, but for sure, nothing good shines for the infringers!

          I would like to agree with you. But ... alas, not any.
          What about the collapse of the USSR and the replacement of the social system with capitalism then? Did the system resist desperately? In my opinion, no, I surrendered without a fight. How did it happen?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 September 2020 15: 14
            0
            The system was destroyed / handed over from the inside ... this also happens.
  • tatra
    tatra 15 September 2020 10: 46
    +3
    And what observance of the Law can be expected from those who have an excuse for their seizure of Russia, their ideology is an excuse for the criminals of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, who declared ALL criminals who went through the GULAG in 30 years to be "innocent victims", who rushed to justify who committed the triple crime of Efremov? They have proved that they can live according to the laws and rules of humanity - only when they have "overseers with whips" standing over them.
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 September 2020 10: 03
      0
      Quote: tatra
      who declared ALL criminals who went through the Gulag in 30 years "innocent victims"

      You collapsed from an oak tree ??? Or beats regularly ????
      All were rehabilitated back in 50-60-70 years of our Prosecutor General's Office under leadership KPSS !!!!!
      Or then the "enemies of the communists" were sitting inside total the Office of the Prosecutor General's Office and the Communist Party? ???
      That is, "real communists" were only 15 years in the history of the USSR ???
  • andr327
    andr327 15 September 2020 10: 53
    +4
    One of the issues is the training of qualified personnel. I had to work on setting up 1C - for some reason, after a very cursory glance at the base, I guessed 100% of the timing of the purchase of apartments, cars, etc. by the management, although according to the documents everything is very good. I am also very impressed by the results of other audits - audit, tax. I am busy with a lot, and the results cause laughter - at the millionth turnover of the enterprise, a wave rises on some ruble errors. (I did not work as giants, so small, slightly medium-sized business). and no real proposals.
    A big question for legislators. Their concern for improvement and relief with leads the sum of both managers and accountants. Changes during the year several times in the types of reporting, taxation procedure and business conditions are lacking. But those who are sitting close to the authorities use this opportunity knowing well the holes inherent in the laws.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 11: 21
      +7
      The quality of training is just awful. And it starts from school - the complete dullness of the exam. Then at the institute, instead of many months of practice on each course - some newfangled foreign standards, hypothetical calculations, and in the end, take 1C now, 99% of accountants will simply be confused and cannot do anything with their pens. For a long time they do not understand either the accounting system or its principles.
      All young people simply have to retrain c). And it does not even depend on the "steepness" of the university - there is absolutely no difference whether it is Moscow State University or the Kryzhopol technical school ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2020 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: andr327
      Their concern for improvement and relief with leads the sum of both managers and accountants. Changes during the year several times in the types of reporting

      This is how the "system" works. Confusion, constant change, increasing incomprehensible reporting, etc. All this is being done in order to make it easier to deceive, to hide the actual state of affairs, and not to "improve and even more so to ease." As the people say, "In troubled waters, it is always easier to fish."
      1. Old Michael
        Old Michael 15 September 2020 15: 27
        +4
        Hello dear Vlad!
        Let me disagree with this statement:
        Confusion, constant change, increasing incomprehensible reporting, etc. All this is being done in order to make it easier to deceive, to hide the actual state of affairs, and not to "improve and even more so to ease."


        The mechanism of self-reproduction and multiplication of bureaucracy is somewhat different.
        For example, in a certain ministry, they studied the regular reporting of subordinate structures and found an area of ​​activity that requires additional organizational and managerial measures, incl. tightening controls.
        The department responsible for organizing work in this area began with the creation of a narrow-profile department, which will deal with this. They fiddled with the staff structure of the new department, appointed people to positions (one or two plowmen and a dozen of those "who needed"). The department (represented by a pair of plowmen) drew up a mini-concept of work, the functionality of employees, gave birth to a work plan. The department considered all this, after some adjustments, approved and developed reporting forms for the department.
        The department launched a vigorous activity (since its work was initially supervised by the deputy minister himself), which, oddly enough, brought noticeable results. During the year of formation and two more years of intensive activity of plowmen, the department actually solved the initially set tasks - all problem indicators were removed from the critical zone into the area of ​​growth prospects.
        Is it time to rest on your laurels? No matter how it is! If the growing fruits of the department's work are not visible, it will simply be "optimized", and the Department's management will lose a structural unit that could periodically be trumped.
        Therefore, the functionality of the department is expanding. The most unpretentious way is the development of new, more voluminous and sophisticated reporting forms for the structures controlled by the department. It is clear that the growth of document circulation requires the expansion of the staff. And now, in the place of the department, the Directorate appears, where two more analysts and half a dozen statisticians appear to help two plowmen. It is clear that they should have leaders, such as the head of the statistics department and the head of the information and analytical sector.
        ... This "fairy tale about the white bull" can be told endlessly.
        And, it seems, no one was going to "deceive, hide the actual state of affairs" ...

        Regards, Mikhail
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 September 2020 15: 52
          +2
          Quote: OldMichael
          The department responsible for organizing work in this area began with the creation of a narrow-profile department, which will deal with this. They fiddled with the staff structure of the new department, appointed people to positions

          You have described everything, right in the words from the book! Parkison's Laws ", one to one.
          1. Old Michael
            Old Michael 15 September 2020 15: 58
            +1
            You have described everything, right in the words from the book! Parkison's Laws ", one to one

            This is from the Book of Life! Unfortunately...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 15 September 2020 16: 03
              +1
              Quote: OldMichael
              This is from the Book of Life! Unfortunately...

              And Life is just developing according to these laws, and also unfortunately.
          2. Old Michael
            Old Michael 15 September 2020 16: 03
            0
            PS
            Parkison's laws

            Kim Philby is also worth remembering.
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 September 2020 17: 39
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            You have described everything, right in the words from the book! Parkison's Laws ", one to one.

            Duc ... this is an illustration of the driving forces behind Parkinson's First Law:
            The number of officials grows regardless of the amount of work.
            Officials create jobs for each other.
            An official multiplies subordinates, but not rivals.
        2. your1970
          your1970 16 September 2020 10: 14
          0
          They are pressed by the reduction from the bottom .... No matter how hayali Medvedev, it was under him that two large reductions in the civil service took place and the direction of further reduction was outlined.
          In Rosreestr, for example, the territorial departments have already been reduced by 40%. And as soon as the archives are scanned and transferred to ex-territorial registration, they will be reduced to zero. And regional offices will be cut after that ...

          In general, I have a feeling that Medvedev's presidency was to cover up extremely unpopular measures. Reduction of civil service, expulsion of completely overwhelmed cops, purge of army generals ... Well, Putin did not have the opportunity to arrange 1937 by other methods ...
  • Campanella
    Campanella 15 September 2020 10: 53
    +3
    The main thing is that the authorities themselves are not ready to fight corruption by word of mouth. One can talk about the motives of power.
    Technically, it is not difficult to take control of all financial flows now.
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 September 2020 15: 17
      +2
      Corruption and theft are the main parts of the vertical of power, conveniently under its control. Kradunov are pulled out of the structure when they, having lost their shores, do not share enough with the upper ones, thus violating accepted customs, or they glow too much, that is, they are not dexterous enough. They pull out and replace them with more loyal and dexterous ones, and with more honest ones - no, no! Not for that the USSR was broken.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 September 2020 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Campanella
      The main thing is that the authorities themselves are not ready to fight corruption by word of mouth.

      But how can the authorities fight against themselves. It seems that Ulyukaev was imprisoned, and some people think this is a "fight against corruption." Of course not. Ulyukaev violated the laws and rules of the game in force in the system. For violation of the rules, they are punished very severely. There are the same laws and rules as in any Masonic lodge, very cruel. You can steal, get rich, but laws and rules are above all.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 15 September 2020 10: 57
    +3
    Because the same Zakharchenko will never come out with a proposal
    The guarantor can come up with a proposal, who else but him?
    Who rushes to battle at night, defeating evil? Smoke and fire, noise and thunder. Impudence and calculation. The black knight is hidden by a cloak, he does not expect glory. Oh, get out of the way, enemy. Tremble, villain. Here comes the black cloak. Conqueror of the dark forces.
  • nnm
    15 September 2020 10: 57
    +1
    Quote: andr327
    One of the issues is the training of qualified personnel.

    The quality of training is just awful. And it starts from school - the complete dullness of the exam. Then at the institute, instead of many months of practice on each course - some newfangled foreign standards, hypothetical calculations, and in the end, take 1C now, 99% of accountants will simply be confused and cannot do anything with their pens. For a long time they do not understand either the accounting system or its principles.
    All young people simply have to retrain c). And it does not even depend on the "steepness" of the university - there is absolutely no difference whether it is Moscow State University or the Kryzhopol technical school ...
  • iouris
    iouris 15 September 2020 10: 58
    0
    The text of a similar orientation can be found on any resource "demshizy". And that "military thought" has already exhausted itself?
    1. Asad
      Asad 15 September 2020 11: 05
      -1
      I support you, you can endlessly crush water in a mortar!
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 September 2020 15: 41
        +3
        Yes, colleagues, you can endlessly pound water in a mortar. It is possible, but necessary. For if we do not pound, then someone will think that they have pounded us. By turning it into water.
  • nnm
    15 September 2020 11: 04
    0
    Quote: iouris
    The text of a similar orientation can be found on any resource "demschiz

    Wow, unexpectedly laughing laughing Plumed immediately!
  • Darkesstcat
    Darkesstcat 15 September 2020 11: 12
    +2
    An interesting article, I would like to read more.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 September 2020 11: 17
    +6
    What can I say? The topic is extremely important and extremely necessary, it is good that it is raised on VO. I am pleased to read the following articles. Creative Uzbeks to you, dear nnm! drinks
    I am well versed in the economics of enterprises, I can tell you something about the military-industrial complex and the Ministry of Defense, but I have never worked in government agencies, and I was not particularly friendly with them, I don’t know the nuances
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 11: 25
      +5
      Thank. Boom to try. I think that by joint efforts, yes, most likely, it will not be possible to move a stone out of the way, but keeping silent about problems is the worst of the options.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 15 September 2020 11: 29
    +1
    I wonder how you imagine the acceptance of completed works before the start of these works? After all, someone has to sign this very COP-2. And, judging by what was written, do you imagine this as the established practice of the treasury? Are you sure about Russia?
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 11: 38
      +3
      now KS-2 in the Treasury is checked BEFORE the stage of construction (repair) itself. And not on the subject of whether the prices are reasonably included and whether the supplier's price for components is correctly determined, but simply on the subject of whether there is money for this article or not.

      - Thank you for flagging the error. Yes, BEFORE - this is how the estimates are checked. And KS-2,3 are checked after they are signed, but also, in the same order as described - for the availability of limits and compliance of the KS data with estimates. That is, there is no most important thing - control measurements and work to check the validity of the application of estimated prices.
      1. ghby
        ghby 15 September 2020 18: 14
        0
        Quote: nnm
        That is, there is no most important thing - control measurements and work to check the validity of the application of estimated prices.

        You take a little, in our region budget money was paid for ks-3. Tens of million rubles. And none of the facilities have been completed.
        Then there were new contracts and new payments ...
  • vavilon
    vavilon 15 September 2020 11: 38
    +2
    After all, no one wants to control himself, but how then will they steal billions of budget money?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 15 September 2020 11: 43
    +1
    And there are auditors in the world, and what are their possibilities? In America, the bandits were as pure as a baby's tears. And they were able to hide it for non-payment of taxes .. But I wonder how, I didn't pay tax on the sale of drugs? Of course, there were legal enterprises, but pay tax. the toad pressed the old fashioned way. A less experienced tax collector sees muddy schemes, and gray schemes are also visible in the pension fund. When the entrepreneur goes into the shadows. That is, last year, pension contributions were 1000 rubles per person per year, and this year, 100 rubles, with the same other figures. It is immediately clear that the kotovasia has gone, and the smart chief accountant will scatter the profit, you will not dig in. But there are only envelopes with a gray salary. And here are the kickbacks. That is, giving a bribe to an official as a percentage of the cost of the tender. Let's say a contract is a million, in order to get it you give 200 thousand on your paw. So this money does not appear in the reports, there is no such column in expenses, giving a bribe. And the recipient of the bribe does not declare it. Which auditor can help here? Or they are shouting that they sponsored the opposition, from Poland, but how the money ended up in Belarus, because these money movements are visible to any inspector, probably Lukashenka was digging the earth with his nose, but nothing was found. Well, they were not dragged across the border in bags.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 11: 59
      +3
      Let's say a contract is a million, in order to get it you give 200 thousand on your paw. So this money does not appear in the reports, there is no such column in expenses, giving a bribe. And the recipient of the bribe does not declare it. Which auditor can help here?

      So far, I will only answer this part of the question ...
      You see, the most interesting thing in such a situation is that any money leaves its mark. In the envelope, they are, not in the envelope, whether they declare or not - ALL MONEY leaves a trace.
      Let me explain - the limits for cash settlement are extremely negligible. All money is firmly driven into non-cash. The question of how to understand and prove where the money for kickback came from is also very simple in the modern era. I will try to describe how this can be done in the simplest variation:
      - data on all counterparties is raised, founders, beneficiaries, managers, etc. are compared;
      - the bases of banks in which the accounts of all these companies are open are raised and they look at the subject of coincidence, the presence of powers of attorney, the intersection of the ai-pi addresses of computers from which the workflow for payments is taking place.
      - similar actions are repeated for all counterparties until the chain of the entire unofficial holding is clear - which company is working with whom, where and under which contracts it transfers money, is it a trash heap or not, and as a result, a money path clings, which is cut off by the withdrawal of money under the left contracts. For example, 100 million went to LLC "Horns and Hooves", which were then spent on LLC "Hooves and Horns" under a consulting agreement and in the company of 1 person, he does not pay taxes, and so on.
      - after that, they already look at those people to whom this company is registered, who withdrawn money from banks, who looks at the cameras with whom this zits-chairman came, what car they got into, what numbers, etc.
      - and then the investigation takes this zits of the chairman, who instantly talks about the entire chain (in 99% of cases, but recently they began to accept inmates for this role, but you can also negotiate with them) and so you go up the chain.
      - and in the end you come to the transmitting and receiving rollback already with the whole set of supporting documents and testimonies of witnesses. + with transcripts and linguistic expertise of all their negotiations, letters, sms, etc.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 15 September 2020 13: 46
        0
        I'm not in the least bit in the economy, but a company of auditors should work on what you described, and in addition to all the operations can be conducted through banks where the secrecy of the deposit is guaranteed. I propose a simpler scheme and absolutely legal. Hands. enterprises, or rather his grandmother, brother, great-grandfather, has a worn-out Kamaz, and leases it to this enterprise, well, a quarry can’t be allowed without this machine, it works around the clock 28 hours a day, taking out supposedly waste rock, dodging between Belazes. The money is dripping. everything is absolutely legal. No one will follow such a trifle, but this car is not alone. It is unlikely that someone will engage in large sums without preparation and without covering the ass. Heads boo may not even know about it, they said it is necessary, then it is necessary.
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 15: 11
          +2
          No, the whole chain is quite capable of being unwound by 1 inspector and 1 investigator, while the work of the inspector will take less than 1 day in total. Provided that he will have access to information databases (which, for example, the federal service for financial monitoring has (yes, we have such)).
          As for the need to catch "little things", yes, it is necessary. But it's like with drugs - you can catch sellers on the streets as much as you like, but they will appear every day, but catching large drug dealers already has a much greater effect.
      2. BAI
        BAI 15 September 2020 14: 16
        0
        All money is firmly driven into non-cash.

        Does Zakharchenko, whose photo of whose apartment you brought so well, knows about this?
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 15: 13
          +1
          Sure. Do you think that he has money directly from the "State Sign"? No, they are all the same washed by "donors" through companies, offshore companies, banks ... and everywhere they left a mark.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 15 September 2020 11: 44
    +6
    Thanks to the author for stirring up the swamp smile
    They have tied up with Ukraine, you already have from every iron - BELARUS. I see ... brothers! And about us darlings?
    To be honest, the article itself was not pleasing. and comments after. Cadres decide everything ... or is the classic not relevant today ??? They spawned managers (they didn't grow out of the rain), KILLED a sea of ​​enterprises, destroyed a competent SOVIET school of personnel ... to clean up our descendants ??? And for those who are "good" - the words about the flood are extremely relevant. Temporary workers are ... mold. No commissions will take them! Only radical surgery ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 September 2020 11: 51
    +5
    The topics are of course interesting.

    But the reason is in people.
    Untouchable people. "supervising deputy head of the region is an inviolable person" - under the article.
    About Chubais officially out loud Himself - you can't touch ...
    When a Friend of the Family and a Presidential Candidate may even be an "oppositionist" and "pickit alone" in Grozny. since untouchable family ...

    You can't touch the super-profitable elite ...

    The unnamed does the job of the Examiner as best he can.
    Total?
    The maximum is that some trifle that has not reached the required untouchable level is taken into development after 5 years ... and after a while the power on its own behalf applies other people's ideas (holes there on the asphalt to close up, super expensive cars cannot be bought without hiding at the state expense, dual citizenship for officials etc.)
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 September 2020 11: 55
    +6
    Anticipating calls for the return of SMERSH, Stalin and Beria, I want to say that you have to be realistic.

    ... and understand that for the rantings on the topic with the expression of opinions about real measures, you can now accompany Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin. And to lie and dodge, to prove that the Russian government has a human face, and this grin in the form of “rotting” the population with meager incomes, “some” medicine and labor until “until death do us part” is a temporary mask so that others were afraid - disgusting.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 15 September 2020 15: 23
      +3
      Well, what kind of people we have ... They were told from the highest tribunes that they are the middle class. What else do they want?
      Ungrateful people, they promise and promise everything, but they still have little and little ...
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  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 15 September 2020 12: 23
    +5
    I will add one more topic: How to fight corruption in corruption legislation?
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  • nnm
    15 September 2020 12: 38
    +3
    This was conceived here in this thread:
    7. Why the results of the auditors' work are not visible.
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  • Country Councils
    Country Councils 15 September 2020 13: 50
    -1
    Guys, well, you need to be real about things, based on the facts https://mmanificarum.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_85.html
  • Old Michael
    Old Michael 15 September 2020 14: 21
    +1
    after 2016, the main control body, the Federal Service for Financial and Budgetary Supervision (Rosfinnadzor), was abolished.

    Rosfinnadzor had the right to conduct inspections regardless of departmental subordination (and the Ministry of Defense, and the executive branch, and state employees, and state companies). All regional administrations were subordinate not to local authorities, but only to a superior leader. And each department was confined exclusively to the central Moscow department.

    But in many ways, the functions of this body duplicated the tasks of law enforcement and security officials: read Article 151 of the RF Criminal Procedure Code, which defines the jurisdiction. There corruption (organization of a criminal community, abuse of office, abuse of power) and closely related (embezzlement, fraud, etc.) crimes are ordered to be investigated by the Investigative Committee, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, depending on the circumstances. Moreover, for example, the Prosecutor's Office has the broadest opportunities and powers to conduct inspections.
    In what ways was the effectiveness of Rosfinnadzor higher?
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: OldMichael
      ordered to investigate

      That's it! Quite right, write yourself! And where does the investigator get information, for example, that during the construction, in terms of hidden work, a couple of tens of millions of rubles were unjustifiably written off? From a complaint, a statement .... well, that. What would he appoint an examination, you need an initiated case, and on what basis he can initiate it? That's right, on the basis of an application that no one will submit.
      Therefore, the investigation goes exactly the next link, but neither the legislation nor the professional bias of activity allows them to find, to reveal the facts of violations of legislation in a continuous mode. Everyone has to do their job.
      And your example can be expanded - the judge examines all the materials of the case - so let the judges look for crimes.
      1. Old Michael
        Old Michael 15 September 2020 15: 40
        +1
        Dear RUnnm!
        Well, that's it:
        the judge examines all the materials of the case - so let the judges look for crimes

        it is not worth exaggerating.
        I do not want to quote here boring provisions of laws, for example, the Law of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. But there are also defined the tasks of these structures in relation to identifying signs of crimes, conducting inquiries and other pre-investigation actions, and not just initiating and investigating criminal cases. This is also stated in Art. 151 of the Criminal Procedure Code.
        And the Prosecutor's Office generally has a supervisory function among its priorities, and therefore there are a lot of tools (for example, conducting a prosecutor's check). There are more grounds for such checks than just statements.
        The IC is also not bastard and has the ability (and sometimes the duty) to conduct pre-investigation checks.
        The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB can and must also do this, and for this they have the right to conduct an ORD.
        The judge has nothing of the kind.
        And I will repeat the question: was the effectiveness of Rosfinnadzor higher? What and why?
        1. nnm
          15 September 2020 16: 16
          +3
          Quote: OldMichael
          Was the effectiveness of Rosfinnadzor higher? What and why?

          Compared to what / who? - do not quite understand. If with the investigation / prosecutor's office, then these are different links in the same chain. Rosfinnadzor did not conduct the investigation itself. As with most of the economic affairs of the UK, the FSB has its origins in auditors. For even after receiving information, most often they involve auditors, due to the banal lack of economic education. It should be so.
          But in fact, Rosfinnadzor at the end of its activities was no better than many other structures. But this is not a reason to destroy the vertical-horizontal structure on a national scale. Rosfinnadzor should have been treated, not taken to the morgue.
          1. Old Michael
            Old Michael 15 September 2020 16: 24
            +1
            Rosfinnadzor did not conduct the investigation itself. As with most of the economic affairs of the UK, the FSB has its origins in auditors. For even after receiving information, most often they involve auditors, due to the banal lack of economic education. It should be so.

            I absolutely agree with this.

            Compared to what / who? - do not quite understand.

            It's about the effectiveness of detecting crimes, offenses, other violations of the law and their signs.

            this is not a reason to destroy the vertical-horizontal structure on a national scale.

            One of the reasons is the duplication of functions by several structures.

            Rosfinnadzor should have been treated, not taken to the morgue.

            And how operable it was at the time of abolition?
            1. nnm
              15 September 2020 17: 19
              0
              And how operable it was at the time of abolition?

              More than!
              1. ghby
                ghby 15 September 2020 18: 30
                0
                Quote: nnm
                More than!

                We had an office in the region, the so-called tax police, which, in fact, was not subordinate to anyone, so they let them go left and right into the business, regardless of the patrons of the business, which was soon disbanded.

                There is also an interesting topic of the influence of FSB officers on business and the economy.
      2. Old Michael
        Old Michael 15 September 2020 15: 55
        0
        PS
        And where does the investigator get information, for example, that during the construction, in terms of hidden work, a couple of tens of millions of rubles were unjustifiably written off? From a complaint, a statement .... well, that. What would he appoint an examination, you need an initiated case, and on what basis he can initiate it? That's right, on the basis of an application that no one will submit.

        Yes, there is some difference in wording in the above-mentioned Laws on security officials. The prosecutor's office is obliged to identify violations of the law, the Ministry of Internal Affairs - violations of laws and other offenses, the FSB - signs of crimes ... This difference will be fundamental only for lawyers of a thief seized by an unclean hand!
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 15 September 2020 14: 27
    +1
    Among our legislators and in the government there are "dumb fools", no one will shoot in the foot.
    The author himself explained the situation at the beginning of the article;
    you have to understand that at this historical stage ... [no one] ... well, they will never come up with a proposal to create a punitive body that will come to him in the first place.
  • Old Michael
    Old Michael 15 September 2020 14: 28
    +1
    there are counting chambers of different levels, there are control departments at governors, in ministries, but, as always, there is one "but": in their overwhelming mass, these are actually people who are NOT independent of the objects of control.

    Were the officials of the regional structures of Rosfinnadzor so independent from the governor / mayor / others like them? Who allocated apartments, land plots and other nishtyaks to these officials, helped with organizing the business of relatives?
    It seems that if the RFN worked more efficiently than other law enforcement officers, then the matter is not so much in the independence of the auditors, but in the much greater involvement of other guardians of the law.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 September 2020 14: 29
    +2
    Yeah, the author touched on the topic.
    Here you have to devote a whole day and sort out a bunch of questions. Well, I'll try a little.
    For example, work with road construction. There are kickbacks and forgery of documents with quality, but there are still no uniform rules. The entire service life of the roadway (8 years) must be carried out by the construction organization that carried out the work.
    It is the same in the field of housing construction. We have built a house and its entire life cycle with responsibility, it goes to the builders who built the building.
    When more or less clear rules will be built, may not super auditors be needed?
    Indeed, by and large, our laws simply do not work. After all, it is no wonder that the Chief Architect of a small town has a house in Spain and also in Finland? And this is already enough for a criminal case
    1. Old Michael
      Old Michael 15 September 2020 14: 35
      +2
      our laws simply do not work ... for the Chief Architect of a small town, a house in Spain, Finland? And this is already enough for a criminal case

      Not once is enough.
      Moreover, the International Convention against Corruption has been ratified by our legislators only partially. The Federal Assembly rejected the provisions concerning the property of relatives, justification of expenses and, moreover, confiscation, and does not intend to return to their discussion and ratification.
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    3. nnm
      15 September 2020 15: 28
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Yeah, the author touched on the topic.
      Here you have to devote a whole day and sort out a bunch of questions. Well, I'll try a little.
      For example, work with road construction. There are kickbacks and forgery of documents with quality, but there are still no uniform rules. The entire service life of the roadway (8 years) must be carried out by the construction organization that carried out the work.
      It is the same in the field of housing construction. We have built a house and its entire life cycle with responsibility, it goes to the builders who built the building.
      When more or less clear rules will be built, may not super auditors be needed?
      Indeed, by and large, our laws simply do not work. After all, it is no wonder that the Chief Architect of a small town has a house in Spain and also in Finland? And this is already enough for a criminal case

      Everything is exactly the same and absolutely not the way you write!)))) I will try to disassemble the topics with construction and landscaping, taking into account your comments, in the near future.
      In short - all the norms are there, you will not believe it, but you cannot even build roads in the absence of stormwaters and a longitudinal, transverse slope along the cross-section of the canvas, which ensures the direction of water towards the stormwaters. But if you can't, but really want to, then ...
      Not 8, but from 1.7.20 this is no longer an obligation, but only the right to establish it by the Customer
      The developer is responsible for 5 years.
    4. Free wind
      Free wind 15 September 2020 17: 24
      0
      About road construction, if you don't know. then be silent. As you do not control the construction process, even check with a microscope. But if the asphalt is bad, then nothing will be checked, and the guarantee of high-quality asphalt is high-quality bitumen, but there is none, not at all, all these stinking oil refineries from the Putin's, they refuse to do it. Under the USSR, bitumen was made with high quality on antediluvian equipment, but now it is not. And in all projects, road workers must take bitumen from this refinery. The prosecutor's office arranges checks, everything is according to the norms, they explain, bitumen is of disgusting quality, check the refinery, but we have no right. Well then go to 3 letters, everyone is so smart. It is easier to piss on gravel, it will be stronger than to use this bitumen. Yesterday my good friend was torn apart on the road. We were sent to do the cutting of asphalt for the laboratory. A guy, a tank commander, a warrant officer, wounded in Chechnya, survived. On the road you will survive. The girl's laboratory assistant, the child was left an orphan. The guy has no wife under tranquilizers. The road is being built, there are heaps of signs all around, the cover car is all in flames, a blow of such force that the gazelle flew 20 meters through the air. The truck driver got a little distracted. at a speed limit of 40 went 80 ..
      1. nnm
        15 September 2020 18: 03
        -1
        About road construction, if you don't know. then be silent.

        Sorry, but I won't promise)))

        And in all projects, road workers must take bitumen from this refinery.

        44-FZ sooooo disagree with you.
        Are you sure you are not confusing with those items of the estimate that are determined by the supplier's price and confirmed by commercial offers?
        The first OFAS will instantly cancel the purchase if you specify a supplier.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 15 September 2020 15: 15
    -1
    "How the state sees the system of financial control in the near future." It is seen in the digital economy of neural networks and AI on the Blockchain system - with full control of all incomes of citizens and a strict audit of the tax authorities for all spending, as well as the transition of monetary units to digital format.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 15: 40
      +3
      All this is of course good, all this, of course, is true ... but it is unlikely that Blockchain will understand whether the Moscow-Kazan highway was made 0,5 cm narrower than according to the project, having received billions on this, or it will determine that the sand cushion is under The Moscow Ring Road is 1 mm less than the estimate. It is unlikely that AI will help to understand the reasons for how the 300 million rubles worth of cement in a package was "washed away" on the island, but it was "brought" by the flow to a private company, etc. AI can greatly facilitate the work, but he is unlikely to be able to compete with a person in how to turn a system using non-systemic methods. All AI systems are based on already existing standard algorithms, and "folk art" and "ingenuity", including in matters of how to steal money from the budget, without the function of self-development, will not be able to.
      and the tax authorities are only interested in taxes. And if you paid them perfectly on a fraudulent scheme, then there will be no questions for you.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 September 2020 15: 55
    +1
    I am sure that when Zakharchenko was free, his friends said about him, "He knows how to live."
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 September 2020 18: 03
    +1
    I didn't have time .. there are a lot of comments .. Thank you, the author for the article, the rest will wait impatiently. Interesting topics .. I think we need to talk more about the corruption component of our Federal Laws ... Especially 44-ФЗ .. Here is the topic. " my brother, tell me, is the cinematography going to turn to the life of the Comanches? I have an amazing plot "(c)
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 18: 07
      0
      There is such in the plans "The main methods used by customers to" screen out "foreign bidders."
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 15 September 2020 19: 37
    +1
    A useful, useful article
    The author, please, keep up the good work.
    1. nnm
      15 September 2020 20: 09
      +1
      I will try. Look for more tomorrow or tonight. The article is already under moderation.
      1. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 23 September 2020 16: 59
        0
        To the author: waiting for a series of articles! Please decipher the abbreviations, at the beginning or at the end of articles! ..
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 September 2020 23: 28
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    That's right and you don't need to change anything, right?

    Right! We, sorry in the sense - "They" need stability! wassat They broadcast it like a mantra from all irons. sad
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 16 September 2020 08: 17
    0
    Quote: BAI
    Could you give examples?

    What examples do you need? Are you saying that Zakharchenko has billions of cash from state-owned enterprises? Have you heard anything about the M and K FSB departments?
    Firefighters, SES - a trifle in comparison with them. The Ministry of Natural Resources can also be remembered as the controlling authorities - when YUKOS was drowned, they also inserted their 5 kopecks - in one of Yukos' subsidiary farms, rabbits lived too closely and multiplied too actively, which was harmful to their health.

    The whole problem of Zakharchenko is that he did not share with anyone.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 16 September 2020 08: 22
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: kapitan92
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Everyone knows perfectly well that the most corrupt bodies are the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, the judiciary and various officials of the administration.

    This is just a part of the created and built system!
    The fish rots from the head! hi


    Great remark !!!

    It's not just corruption. On Paveletskaya Street in Moscow, a group that sells drugs, 40 people, plus another 20 bystanders, was detained with television. Among them is an acquaintance of mine who accidentally went to work. They drove off 100 meters, they were all released, they didn't even ask for their documents. The merchants returned immediately.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 September 2020 09: 06
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    Much taken from the west cannot be attractive to the Slavic brothers. You won’t surprise anyone with showcases. And there are many taken from the west. Although there are gasket banks, sucker banks. Together with scammers. Collection agencies, loans for education are only a small fraction of what is taken from the west. Some political scientists notice that they say the ship globalization has begun to flow. And he forgets that he is on this ship. The attractiveness of Russia should lie in peacefulness with a powerful defense ability. And a turn towards social guarantees. These are the main features of attractiveness. And with what we have, you cannot attract them. They also have bigwigs and oligarchs. So there is nothing to exchange for.
  • T-73
    T-73 19 September 2020 01: 32
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    Well, we won't be frightened by a lot of bukoffs, but the question is - why should such complex sentences be fenced in in the first three sections? 4 smoke break and again rushed. Your right, but perception ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 September 2020 09: 19
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    Fin control is reality and future reality. All developed countries have it. Tax collection will continue to grow. But it is more important that incomes grow. And then they will collect well, but with a pittance.
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 23 September 2020 16: 59
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    To the author: waiting for a series of articles! Please decipher the abbreviations, at the beginning or at the end of articles! ..