The platform is the same, the "brains" are different: the BrahMos CD version of the "anti-AWACS" is being developed

The Russian press cites a statement by Alexander Maksichev, co-director of the BrahMos joint venture with India, which is engaged in the creation of cruise missiles.

Information Service RIA News cites the statement of Alexander Maksichev, who names one of the developed directions of development of the CD BrahMos. According to the co-director of the joint Russian-Indian company, the project has been approved for the BrahMos air-to-air cruise missile, which will be capable of destroying aviation radio detection and guidance complexes. We are talking about aircraft of the AWACS type (AWACS).

In particular, Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS are actively used in the USA. They are also in service with such states as Britain, Saudi Arabia, France. Also, several of these aircraft are assigned to the airbases of the unified NATO Air Force system.

According to Alexander Maksichev, the completion of work within the framework of a new project to conduct the first test launch of BrahMos "anti-AWACS" is planned for 2024.

Modifications of the BrahMos missiles that exist at the moment are designed to destroy ground and surface targets. Not so long ago, India tested the BrahMos missile carrier from the Su-30MKI carrier against a target on the ocean surface. The tests were successful.

Maksichev announced the expansion of the line of BrahMos missiles, noting that the range will include those that will be able to destroy large aviation targets:

The platform will remain the same, but its "brains" will be different - a different homing head to destroy a contrasting target.

Comments

[aszzz888]

According to the co-director of the joint Russian-Indian company, the project of the BrahMos air-to-air cruise missile has been approved, which will be capable of destroying airborne radio detection and guidance systems. We are talking about AWACS-type aircraft (AWACS).

So yes, first of all it is necessary to deal with the reasons, in this case the planes of the AWACS type, and then with the consequences of these reasons.

[hrych]

A badly needed topic. It is logical to hit a subsonic target with a supersonic CD. Moreover, you and I understand that aviation Bramos is good. But launching Onyx from the Bastion PU with the same anti-aircraft seeker is also not bad. For target designation, for example, from the ZGRLS Container or from the Voronezh radar. Those. exclude the rise to intercept the aircraft and exit to the line of attack. Immediately zhahnut and hello. Moreover, we guess that the warhead is much lighter than in the anti-ship missile version, including the special one. If the S-500 strikes up to 500 km, then the Onyx ZKR will work from 500 km and more. A high-altitude, large, actively working with its own radar, slow and poorly maneuverable target - easy prey. One advantage was to stay at a distance, and preferably in your own air defense zone. Now it will not work, the eyes of the blind stealth will go out.

[Alex777]

The topic is strange. All hope that the AWACS plane will not believe that Brahmos is flying to him?

[Temples]

Why strange?
And what difference does it make or don’t believe?
What will destroy the rocket flying towards him?
He cannot dodge because he was not created for that.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Temples

Why strange?
And what difference does it make or don’t believe?
What will destroy the rocket flying towards him?
He cannot dodge because he was not created for that.

How far can AWACS be able to detect such a huge target?
Kilometers 300?
Well the edge is 220 ..

What is the range of the missile seeker?
Kilometers 20?
Well edge 30 ...

How long will it take for Awax to turn on its most powerful electronic warfare systems and leave the intended engagement zone? Yes, I understand that AWACS is not the most maneuverable aircraft, and is very limited in maneuvers ...

But he has enough time to react ...

And let's not forget that AWACS planes of the USA and NATO countries, like aircraft carriers, do not fly without fighter escort.
Accordingly, a strike against an anti-AWACS missile using AMRAAM fighter missiles is quite acceptable.

[Boris Chernikov]

therefore, they usually carry out a salvo launch

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

therefore, they usually carry out a salvo launch

Those. Do you think the Americans are such fools who will not detect a massive flight of fighters in the direction of the AWACS aircraft?
But the plane can fit no more than one Brahmos-type missile ...

That the Americans, having discovered a mass of fighters at a distance of 500 km, will not do anything? That they will be stupidly spinning on their route, regardless of the situation?
Stop believing Zadornov ...

[Boris Chernikov]

Well, it all depends on tactics - if you shout on the air on an open frequency "we are flying to shoot down Avax" .. then of course he will notice, but if you secretly move forward and launch missiles ... then for Avax everything will be sad .. By the way .. how then refers to the words of the American general, who bluntly said that the situation had changed and in the event of a war in Europe he would run out of Avaks in 2 weeks and that it was necessary to change the approach to providing intelligence.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

Well, it all depends on tactics - if you shout on the air on an open frequency "we are flying to shoot down Avax" .. then of course he will notice, but if you secretly move forward and launch missiles ... then for Avax everything will be sad .. By the way .. how then refers to the words of the American general, who bluntly said that the situation had changed and in the event of a war in Europe he would run out of Avaks in 2 weeks and that it was necessary to change the approach to providing intelligence.

NATO has more than 60 AWACS in Europe ...

How can you covertly move forward when an enemy bandura is hanging at an altitude of 11 thousand kilometers (and in the case of real detectors of such bandura large and small there will be about 10 pieces in the air), equipped with an AFAR radar with a detection range of low-flying targets against the background of the earth of at least 500 kilometers .. ...
When the enemy has about 2 dozen satellites, public and private, capable at any moment of time to defuse the exhaust torches of aircraft taking off ...
When the enemy also has a ZGRLS, and France does, by the way, did not know? It hits 3 thousand km ...
Moreover, the enemy has AN / TPS-71, which is carried by a pair of planes and hits 2500 kilometers ... And at least 4 of them have been built.

Do you think the enemy is dumber than us?
An enemy that surpasses us in microelectronics by a couple of orders of magnitude in theory, and by 3-4 orders of magnitude in practice ...


When the enemy has 8 times more fighters in the European theater of operations ...


What are you going to destroy there ??????

[Boris Chernikov]

you ask the American general, he seems to know better than you from the couch. By the way, following your logic, you need to go and shoot yourself because "oh, the enemy has the most, we lose!" and everything is in the same form) or do you really think Avaks are a wunderwolf?) By the way, there is no need to wind up the range of Avaxes) otherwise they already have low-flying aircraft with "at least 500 km see")

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

you ask the American general, he seems to know better than you from the couch. By the way, following your logic, you need to go and shoot yourself because "oh, the enemy has the most, we lose!" and everything is in the same form) or do you really think Avaks are a wunderwolf?) By the way, there is no need to wind up the range of Avaxes) otherwise they already have low-flying aircraft with "at least 500 km see")

Yes, we are not a rival to the Americans, together with NATO in a direct clash, we will lose if just a meat grinder begins ...

let's be honest.

Have you forgotten the Russian proverb? "Do not boast to the army walking, but boast from the army walking!" ...

Awaks are really a Wunderwaffle for the Air Force.
Just because when you have a hundred of them, that's plus 50 to your karma. when you have 5 of them, that's zero ...

You don't need to shoot, you need to understand that now we are weaker ..
Therefore, if you do something, do tsuka quietly ...
Don't talk about Poseidons and Daggers.
Don't worry about anything ...


Although...
We're talking about Poseidons, about Petrels ...
But something like that "on the drum" ...
Do not take articles of supposedly Chinese and national interest into account. They are written by the same Russian people ..

Look here.
The INF Treaty was torn apart with us when the Americans learned about equipping the 9K720 complex with cruise missiles with a range of 2200 km ...
But there was no fuss in the press about this, there was nothing ...

Do you understand the logic?
What we really have - is not advertised in the media in principle - but it is not a secret for American intelligence ...

And what is advertised with cartoons - they are not afraid in principle ...
so who is this ad for?
For Russian idiots?

[Boris Chernikov]

how many words .. what .. this wunderwaffle learned to survive anti-aircraft missiles? about all sorts of "tryndim" .. you can immediately see "tovarischa" who dreams of a green card) do you really believe that the Americans were so scared of lionfish for Iskander? Could you tell me why then they say something about tanks indistinctly and rigidly demand that we put pressure on China in terms of abandoning medium and short-range missiles? Not to mention the fact that Russia has Caliber and a scheme for placing them on the ground in case the US withdrawal from the treaty ... They knew very well that Iskander was NOT equipped with missiles that violate the treaty, but they had to either drag China into the treaty or get medium-range missiles on land themselves ... which they actually do). By the way ... about cartoons. It is very funny to read sofa experts who shout that NATO is not afraid of cartoons, and then NATO generals who demand to take action against the same cartoons) funny)

[Boris Chernikov]

by the way, it's very funny to read about "don't tryndi" .. especially on Topvar) .. On which a bunch of experts squeal in one voice that "since we were not told, then this is not present" ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: hrych

A badly needed topic. It is logical to hit a subsonic target with a supersonic CD. Moreover, you and I understand that aviation Bramos is good. But launching Onyx from the Bastion PU with the same anti-aircraft seeker is also not bad. For target designation, for example, from the ZGRLS Container or from the Voronezh radar. Those. exclude the rise to intercept the aircraft and exit to the line of attack. Immediately zhahnut and hello. Moreover, we guess that the warhead is much lighter than in the anti-ship missile version, including the special one. If the S-500 strikes up to 500 km, then the Onyx ZKR will work from 500 km and more. A high-altitude, large, actively working with its own radar, slow and poorly maneuverable target - easy prey. One advantage was to stay at a distance, and preferably in your own air defense zone. Now it will not work, the eyes of the blind stealth will go out.

Are you out of your mind?

Are you ready to make URVV based on the anti-ship missiles ???
Do you represent the maneuvers of the URVV?
No anti-ship missile system will ever make such maneuvers.

It's easier to design a new URVV from scratch than to make a stork from a hippopotamus ...


The same Phoenix of the 60s with a flight range of 180 km had a mass of 450 kg
The modern AMRAAM version D with a range of 150 km has a mass of 150 kg.

Do you dream of transferring a 3-ton rocket, a hulking rocket and a maneuverable URVV ..
Onyx (Brahmos) - maybe fast for anti-ship missiles, but they are very slow-moving (2 times like this) for long-range missile defense systems.
And maybe, due to its slow speed, it is extremely ineffective.
AWACS aircraft, like aircraft carriers in the case of a DB, will always be accompanied by a pair of fighters.
Always.
Accordingly, fighters such an extremely clumsy and huge target like Brahmos would be too easy a target.
Especially understanding. that the school of modern SAM and URVV is getting closer and closer to the direct kinetic impact ... Electronics almost makes it possible to guarantee this.

[hrych]

Quote: SovAr238A

Are you out of your mind?

If you want to argue, then don't be rude. If you are rude, go your own way. Firstly, Sentry is a big and fat chicken at a speed of 800 km / h, and Onyx at a speed of 3000 km / h. Where can this cake go, or with his plate he can show you super-maneuverability. So, this is your problem with the mind. The missile of the S-400 complex, namely 40N6E, has a mass of almost 2000 kg, while Onyx has 3000 kg. So what? Well, one and a half times. Turn on your mind. A special missile defense unit works especially well. Both the s-300 and the s-400 have them in the nomenclature. Therefore, both Sentry and cover in one fell swoop. We have never suffered from a kinetic blow. Why is this? The shrapnel cloud is much more effective and with a larger radius. Intercept Onyx is your wet fantasy. Go and intercept, if you're so smart. Everything, talking to you is initially disgusting, don't answer me.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: hrych

Quote: SovAr238A

Are you out of your mind?

If you want to argue, then don't be rude. If you are rude, go your own way. Firstly, Sentry is a big and fat chicken at a speed of 800 km / h, and Onyx at a speed of 3000 km / h. Where can this cake go, or with his plate he can show you super-maneuverability. So, this is your problem with the mind. The missile of the S-400 complex, namely 40N6E, has a mass of almost 2000 kg, while Onyx has 3000 kg. So what? Well, one and a half times. Turn on your mind. A special missile defense unit works especially well. Both the s-300 and the s-400 have them in the nomenclature. Therefore, both Sentry and cover in one fell swoop. We have never suffered from a kinetic blow. Why is this? The shrapnel cloud is much more effective and with a larger radius. Intercept Onyx is your wet fantasy. Go and intercept, if you're so smart. Everything, talking to you is initially disgusting, don't answer me.

Who are you to tell me?
Bastard in a coat, chtoli?

You attribute the possibility of targeting the Voronezh radar ...
And even more so the possibility of targeting ZGRLS Container ...

Which, in principle, cannot have this simply due to the design features and principles of work.
But for your mind it is too difficult.
Much easier to come up with.
Figured it out myself. I believed it myself ...

All your inventions are the fruit of fever delirium ...

[hrych]

Quote: SovAr238A

All your inventions are the fruit of fever delirium ...

Why are you writing to me? Why are you bothering me? Concern? Maybe a mental illness?

Quote: SovAr238A

You attribute the possibility of targeting the Voronezh radar ...

You open the link:
https://life.ru/p/1018974
And read the wise guy: "The Voronezh-VP radar will not only track the launches of such missiles, but also issue target designations to air defense systems - the S-400 complexes and the promising S-500."
In short, argue not with me, but with the authors of the article

[Rzzz]

Quote: aszzz888

first of all, it is necessary to deal with the reasons, in this case aircraft of the AWACS type,

In addition to them, there are also refuellers. Without kerosene, not only Awax, but all other airplanes will fall.

[tlauicol]

Why take such a fool on board? Hurt KS-172, finally! Maybe you can also suggest using ICBMs to shoot the planes? They saw and saw for .. fifteen years, then they switch to the next Manilovism and ask for money .. do at least something humanly!

[grandfather_Kostya]

such a fool

must be taken on board to fire at AWACS from a distance of more than 400 km while the Su-30 is not visible on radar.

[bayard]

Quote: grandfather_Kostya

from a distance of more than 400 km while the Su-30 is not visible on the radar

Su-30, and with "Brahmos" suspended, AWACS will detect at a distance of over 400 km. perhaps even over 500 km. I think this development is specifically for the Indian Air Force, our VKS does not need such a thing - there are R-37 and its carriers.

[Rzzz]

Quote: bayard

AWACS will detect at a distance of over 400 km. ,

Awax and do not need to be detected. When it works, it "dusts" with its radiation so that it can be seen from another continent.

[Eug]

I agree 100%, especially since the most inconspicuous missile is needed against AWACS - so that if it detects it, then at such a distance that it will not be possible to leave. Suppressing by interference is like a missile.

[Boris Chernikov]

so this is the Hindus torturing)

[Hermit21]

And how is this in general? The anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft guided missiles have absolutely different requirements for speed, maneuverability, the type and operating modes of the remote control, the type of warhead, etc. It seems that this Maksichev does not say something and he is talking about, say, a hypersonic "Brahmos-2" or a completely different missile in the body the current "Brahmos"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Hermit21

a completely different missile in the body of the current Brahmos

Duc, that's exactly what it said bulo ...!

[Hermit21]

It seems in the text only about the new GOS

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Hermit21

It seems in the text only about the new GOS

It can be just a simplified explanation ... like: "to get off ..."! Often, having said A, you have to say B ... Having created a GOS with enhanced capabilities (for example, an "all-aspect" GOS ...), you have to "rework" the steering wheels, for example ...!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Hermit21

And how is this in general? The anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft guided missiles have absolutely different requirements for speed, maneuverability, the type and operating modes of the remote control, the type of warhead, etc. It seems that this Maksichev does not say something and he is talking about, say, a hypersonic "Brahmos-2" or a completely different missile in the body the current "Brahmos"

There is no need to make any missiles in the building of the current Brahmos.
This is extremely stupid ...

[JD1979]

Not well, but what are they ?! They can cut but we can't?

[g1washntwn]

On any ground-based radars, missile defense will also go well if the count is already in seconds. The anti-radar version was just asking.

[bk0010]

Yes, you just need to hammer Avax with a direct hit with a half-ton semi-armor-piercing head, otherwise you won't take it! Not? Then what for the goat button accordion?

[Boris Chernikov]

Well, no one forbids the development of a new one, but on the contrary, they even advise to develop a new warhead .. Let the Indians pay, ours do not mind, in principle, to work on this topic .. In any case, work on the range of air-to-air missiles will have to be done anyway, so why not not work out a number of questions at Indian expense?

[Pavel57]

Does this mean AWACS, as a type of aircraft or a class of AWACS aircraft?

[K-50]

If it were based on long-range S-400/500 missiles, then yes, it makes sense, but the anti-ship missile is not a cake, it itself maneuvers poorly.