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America is on the verge of collapse. How the USSR almost won the Cold War

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America is on the verge of collapse. How the USSR almost won the Cold War

US Army personnel sent by order of President George W. Bush to Los Angeles to quell a riot


Having defeated the USSR, America itself almost collapsed. The struggle came at a very high cost to the West. The United States was on the brink of collapse.

USA on fire


In 1992, a rehearsal of the Civil War was held in the United States, which becomes a reality in 2020-2021. Los Angeles was on fire. The city was covered with smoke of fires. Thousands of burnt buildings, structures and cars blazed and smoked. Shots rang out in the streets. Passenger planes did not dare to land in the huge metropolis because of the thick smoke and shots from the ground. The rioters, many of whom were drug addicts, fired in all directions. The looters staged pogroms and robbed supermarkets. Many exported goods by cars. They were slaughtered with household appliances and electronics, food and perfumery, spare parts, tools and weapons... Gangs of blacks and Latinos engaged in shootouts with shopkeepers who tried to protect their property.

The police retreated under the onslaught of huge gangs and practically did not intervene. There were calls in the streets for a colored uprising against white domination. This is not a fantasy novel, but the events of late April - early May 1992. In fact, the study of the 2020 scenario, but at the local level.

The riot began on April 29, when the court acquitted four police officers who beat a black man. Rodney King was driving while intoxicated, exceeded the speed limit and tried to hide from the police (drunk driving would have aggravated his situation, since he was recently released on parole for robbery), resisted arrest.

This provoked a spontaneous uprising. Thousands of African Americans and Hispanics poured into the streets. They began to hit shop windows and windows, and burn cars. Within a few hours, there was hell on the streets. The rebels set fire to government buildings. Stores followed. Negroes, Latin quarters of South and Central Los Angeles rebelled. The authorities kept the eastern part of the city. What was happening was like a civil war. Hundreds of rebels tried to storm the police headquarters. Most of the electricity in the city was cut off. Moreover, the events took place in one of the world's largest entertainment, cultural, scientific, economic and educational centers. In the "entertainment capital" of the United States, a stone's throw from Hollywood and the elite Beverly Hills. On April 30, riots broke out in San Francisco. About a hundred shops were ransacked in the center. The affluent Nob Hill area and some expensive hotels suffered. Huge traffic jams have formed on the largest roads.

Only on May 2 did the authorities decide on tough measures. US President George W. Bush ordered to send troops into the city. Thousands of mobilized police officers from various departments, about a thousand FBI officers, and about 10 thousand national guardsmen were brought into the city. They were supported by the army and marines with armored vehicles and helicopters. Punishers opened fire at any resistance. Dozens of people died, more than 2 thousand were injured, more than 12 thousand people were arrested (mostly blacks and Latinos). The total damage from the riots was estimated at over $ 1 billion.

The resonance from the Los Angeles uprising was great. But in America they tried to forget these events. After all, it happened right after the collapse of the USSR, when the United States was hailed as a superpower, and the American economy was hailed as the most efficient in the world. In fact, it turned out that America was struck by a severe systemic socio-economic crisis. And internal tension at any moment could lead to a bloody civil war. It turned out that in the United States there are millions of beggars and disadvantaged, disaffected and representatives of racial and national-religious minorities, ready for a large-scale rebellion. Having defeated the USSR, America itself almost collapsed. The struggle came at a very high cost to the West. The United States was on the brink of collapse.

Retreat of the West


It is worth remembering that the crisis in the United States did not begin in the late 1980s and early 1990s, but much earlier. In 1975, the Americans suffered a severe mental defeat in Vietnam, hitting the psyche. The US military has been plagued by depression, alcoholism and drug addiction. Discipline in the troops collapsed. The officers were afraid to enter the barracks.

The West was tormented by an energy crisis. In 1975, the West signed an agreement with the USSR in Helsinki, recognizing the USSR's victory in World War II and the Russian sphere of influence in Europe. This was the peak of the political power of the Soviet Union. In fact, Moscow took over in the classic phase of the Cold War (World War III). The arms race has given the West nothing. The Russians easily parried Western technology and advances with nuclear missile power and cheaper asymmetric responses. The USSR made weapons much cheaper than in the West, ruining the enemy. A split in NATO has emerged. Europeans began to disdain America, they were irritated by the dominance of the Americans.

From the point of view of morality and intellect, the Soviet man of the 60-70s was much higher than the Western one. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Schools, technical schools, institutes and universities provided excellent personnel. Science continued to create technologies and projects that could make the Union a space superpower, ahead of the whole world for decades (or even a century). The West quickly degraded on the wave of hippies, the sexual revolution and the rapid spread of drug addiction (sex, drugs, and rock and roll).

America was really losing ground. Her public mercilessly vilified the armed forces and special services during the Vietnam War. Society has split. Pacifists and hippies demanded peace and freedom. The dollar was subject to inflation. Analysts then believed that the "dollar bubble" would soon burst. The national debt grew rapidly. The economy was in decline. In 1975-1981. the Americans did not make a single manned flight against the background of the vigorous activity of the USSR in space. The American press and intellectuals talked about convergence: they say, America is increasingly copying the methods of the USSR, and vice versa. Washington released one country after another from its sphere of influence: Vietnam, Laos, Ethiopia, Iran. And this happened under the elderly Brezhnev, who did not even think about confrontation with the United States. The Americans feared that a change of leadership might take place in Moscow and that the young and determined Soviet leaders would lead a decisive offensive.

At meetings in Congress in early 1981, former NATO Supreme Commander in Europe, Alexander Haig, who claims to be the US Secretary of State (analogous to our foreign minister), noted that the Soviet Union was entering a new era of its expansion. They say that the Soviet military power is being transformed from a predominantly land-based into a global offensive. The USSR received an army, navy and air force capable of supporting Moscow's imperial foreign policy. The fight against Soviet imperialism, according to Haig, will be the greatest test for the United States. He also feared that young and energetic leaders would replace the decrepit Soviet leaders of the 1900s. The generation formed during the Cold War.

Haig said:

Every night I pray that Brezhnev will stay alive and well ... at least until we catch up with the Soviet Union. Because if he unexpectedly leaves his post, then someone young will come, waiting behind the scenes. They never knew war; for them Stalingrad is the name of a movie. They never knew the poverty that the world experienced during the Great Depression. They have a very expansionist attitude, and the longer they wait for their turn, the better for us.


America is on the brink of disaster


At the end of the 1970s, the American military-political leadership realized: either the United States would overthrow and plunder the USSR, or America and the West would fall into a new, severe crisis (the crisis of capitalism), from which one could never get out. In fact, the United States faced no less tough challenge and crisis than it did in the 30s. Then the United States stood on the verge of destruction and civil war and was saved by unleashing World War II and emerging victorious from it, dumping almost all competitors (defeat and occupation of Germany and Japan, control over western Europe, weakening of the British Empire).

A similar situation developed by the end of the 70s. However, the problem was that it was impossible to start a traditional war. Russia possessed nuclear missile power capable of crushing the United States and armed forces that could take control of Western Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and the countries of Central and South Asia.

The US needed to win the arms race and remove the military burden (including NATO) from its economy. Solve the problem of a systemic crisis at the expense of the enemy. Extend the dollar system to the countries of Eastern Europe, to Soviet civilization and the entire socialist camp. Capture huge treasures of Russia's natural resources. Plunder the accumulated strategic resources of the Russians, gain access to their technologies, property and labor (including "brains"). Otherwise, the end of the dollar, and the United States and the entire West in its present form.

From this moment, Washington entered a new phase of the third world "cold" war. The US was able to carry out a new mobilization of the West and its allies (including the Arab monarchies led by the Saudis). The military-technical potential of the United States was strengthened by the technological, economic and financial power of the US protectorates: Japan and Germany. The West threw all the resources of the oil monarchies against Russia, created the project "Islam against the Russians" (the war in Afghanistan, etc.). Washington skillfully pits Moscow and Beijing against each other. In the States themselves, a new elite comes to power: a fusion of the southern and western parts of the American elite (the political class from the east Atlantic coast is losing its former influence), closely connected with the military-industrial complex (MIC), TNCs and TNBs, global financial capital and special services.

But the main stake was placed on the disintegration of the Soviet elite. Fortunately, the USSR at this time also entered an acute systemic crisis. The crisis caused by the inertia of the development of the Soviet civilization, which was still striving "for the stars", and the growing psychological lag of the nomenklatura, not ready to go into the future. After Stalin's death, the Soviet elite refused to create the civilization of the future. Stagnation began, followed by decay. As a result, part of the Soviet elite first recognized the convergence (rapprochement) with the West, and then turned out to be ready to betray the Union and the people, just to preserve power, personal and group consumption, to get their hands on property and capital. That is, to become part of the global (Western) elite.

At the same time, there was nothing irreparable in the situation of the USSR in the late 70s and early 80s. All the prerequisites for a leap into the future were preserved: science, education, personnel, economic, space and military potential. The opportunities for the Russians were exciting then. Once again, as under Stalin, we could become the moral and technological leader of the planet. Moscow only needed to abandon a number of bad ideas in foreign policy, burying resources, strength and time in Africa and Asia. To hold out for 10-15 years, to finally wear down the United States in the arms and technology race, devaluing America's gigantic investments in new and expensive types of weapons through cheap asymmetric responses and bold decisions. Avoid spending big on thousands of aircraft and tanksfocusing on the modernization of existing weapons. At the same time, to again perform an economic miracle (as under Stalin or following the example of late China), introducing new technologies in housing and road construction, agriculture, and becoming a new center of the scientific and technological revolution (its apogee was to be the Russian mission to Mars). Allow private small and medium-sized businesses - production, and not speculative and trade, as under Gorbachev, in the service sector.

So we could overthrow the West, led by the United States. And against the background of a new economic depression in the world, the collapse of NATO and Western civilization, to create their own Russian-Soviet world order. Humanity would change historical trajectory, avoiding the global crisis and catastrophe (current situation).
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 10 September 2020 05: 32 New
    +5
    Clearly, the dollar bubble is still strong and in good demand.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 10 September 2020 06: 23 New
      -9
      Patience colleague, after the elections in the United States a big mess will begin, then we will look at the dollar. hi
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 September 2020 07: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Clearly, the dollar bubble is still strong and in good demand.

      Strong because it is not subject to serious external pressure. Those world players who could jointly "pierce" this bubble - Russia, China, France, Germany, Brazil, India - are simply afraid to do so.

      If it bursts, it will splatter everyone.
      1. AKS-U
        AKS-U 11 September 2020 02: 00 New
        +1
        The bubble will not burst, have no illusions. Russia is not interested in the loss of what it has acquired by "backbreaking work and invested in dollars."
    3. Civil
      Civil 10 September 2020 07: 18 New
      11

      So we could overthrow the West, led by the United States.

      NOT YOU, but the USSR. A highly developed country with attractive ideas. It was ruined by the same elderly bureaucrats in power.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 10 September 2020 08: 20 New
        14
        I'm embarrassed to ask, are they not elderly now?
      2. tatra
        tatra 10 September 2020 09: 03 New
        14
        The USSR was destroyed by some traitors, and other traitors, having captured the USSR, betrayed those traitors. And all of them in unison cowardly whine "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame."
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 10 September 2020 09: 59 New
          16
          How the USSR almost won the Cold War

          It hardly counts, just like history does not know the subjunctive mood.
          The USSR (I agree with Irina) was destroyed by traitors.
        2. Postum
          Postum 10 September 2020 10: 36 New
          +7
          Surprisingly, both those traitors were accidentally communists.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 10 September 2020 11: 25 New
            +7
            Quote: Postum
            Surprisingly, both those traitors were accidentally communists.

            The puncture lies in the fact that the CPSU did not purge its ranks of opportunists at the highest level, who ruined it, hanging the stars of the hero on the secretary general's chest and noodles on his ears. Now what to say about it? The good news is that Russia still changed course, realizing that the West will never treat it on an equal footing.
            1. depressant
              depressant 10 September 2020 12: 22 New
              +2
              Yes, today's press reports are quite uplifting: Russia has finally sent a Hermes ATGM to Syria - they will use it, not use it against insolent Turkish tanks, and a hint has been given to Erdogan. And here's another statement from the Foreign Ministry, which sharply stated that speculation regarding Navalny is regarded by the Russian side "as a gross hostile provocation against Russia, fraught with consequences for Russian-German relations, as well as a serious complication of the international situation." And further it is said that if Germany does not provide Russia with information about the Navalny case in the future, it will be regarded as "the refusal of the Federal Government of Germany to establish the truth within the framework of an objective investigation."
              And along the way, the German ambassador was dragged by a person on the surface of the diplomatic tabletop. Finally got hot.
              1. Civil
                Civil 10 September 2020 14: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: depressant
                Yes, today's press reports are quite uplifting: Russia has finally sent a Hermes ATGM to Syria - they will use it, not use it against insolent Turkish tanks, and a hint has been given to Erdogan. And here's another statement from the Foreign Ministry, which sharply stated that speculation regarding Navalny is regarded by the Russian side "as a gross hostile provocation against Russia, fraught with consequences for Russian-German relations, as well as a serious complication of the international situation." And further it is said that if Germany does not provide Russia with information about the Navalny case in the future, it will be regarded as "the refusal of the Federal Government of Germany to establish the truth within the framework of an objective investigation."
                And along the way, the German ambassador was dragged by a person on the surface of the diplomatic tabletop. Finally got hot.

                And how does that change anything? 101 Chinese warnings and tank deaths somewhere in the Middle East?
              2. Alf
                Alf 10 September 2020 15: 04 New
                0
                Quote: depressant
                Finally got hot.

                And what will change?
            2. Alf
              Alf 10 September 2020 15: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              The good news is that Russia still changed course,

              What exactly ? As there was a course towards wild capitalism (although there is no other way), it remained.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 10 September 2020 15: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                The good news is that Russia still changed course,

                What exactly ?
                Well, at least the fact that rockets, planes and nuclear submarines with tanks have ceased to be sawed to the delight of the mattresses. hi
                1. Alf
                  Alf 10 September 2020 16: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Quote: Alf
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  The good news is that Russia still changed course,

                  What exactly ?
                  Well, at least the fact that rockets, planes and nuclear submarines with tanks have ceased to be sawed to the delight of the mattresses. hi

                  But the basis of the course has not changed at all.
              2. Campanella
                Campanella 10 September 2020 18: 57 New
                +3
                Well, yes, Putin is diligently combing the oligarchic mug, trying to pass him off as a face, but it was as it was
                the impudent cynical face remains, no matter what makeup you do.
            3. Campanella
              Campanella 10 September 2020 18: 52 New
              +2
              Cleansing alone is not enough, a balanced personnel policy is needed. And she's not there now, some kind of throwing.
          2. Devil13
            Devil13 10 September 2020 18: 02 New
            0
            As in the party? So there they wrote down all the rabble, and not as to the mind or during it.
            They were not communists and socialists in spirit, in essence.
            These were deceitful, all-too-good party scum who had found a new version of coming to power.
            The party should not be responsible for the economy, have real power - for this there is a state apparatus. It is not that the chairman of the party in some city has more power than the police, government, etc.
            1. Alf
              Alf 10 September 2020 19: 07 New
              +4
              Quote: Devil13
              The party should not be responsible for the economy, have real power - for this there is a state apparatus.

              Actually, this is exactly what the IVS was planning to do.
            2. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 10 September 2020 23: 45 New
              0
              A monopoly party cannot but degrade. The collapse of the CPSU is as natural as the sunset. But in the USSR at least there was an ideology. Now the authorities have found their own ideology - terry chauvinism. For a short period, this rallied and inspired some, but only for a while - the problems did not disappear anywhere - and these problems threaten to do with Russia the same thing over time as with the USSR, especially since the degradation of the elite is visible to the naked eye.
          3. Campanella
            Campanella 10 September 2020 18: 50 New
            -2
            The sausage also says sausage, but in reality, waste ...
        3. fider
          fider 10 September 2020 17: 36 New
          0
          tatra
          The USSR was destroyed by some traitors

          Poor Vanyushka has stones in his bottom. laughing
      3. Killemall
        Killemall 10 September 2020 13: 49 New
        +3
        there is such a musician - A. Gradskiy ... so he gloriously said: "We have not coped with the era, because everything is good for us!" this is precisely about the destruction of the USSR ... no need to blame anyone except yourself for what happened ... even those who (even if sincerely) say that he was against it, it is better to keep quiet, because if they were really against, they would not have ruined country.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 10 September 2020 19: 39 New
          +1
          This is the point, comrade, coups from above succeed in 99 cases of a hundred. I didn’t say that we will build capitalism, on the contrary, “more socialism”. And he himself, with his gang of degenerates, relying on careerists, never communists, shop assistants, currency dealers, thieving hucksters, gradually dragged and legalized margins into our life, which in principle should not exist under socialism. And we were not silent, who understood where everything was going. Only a society that had forgotten about the class struggle was not ready to resist it. There was still a chance to stop the restoration in 93, but the army betrayed us, indifferently watching the destruction of the legitimate Soviet power. Themselves, after the comrade officers and drank this capitalism. Putin is not eternal, "macaroshki" will come, everything will again be like a drunk with bespal. And maybe worse. They are already showing themselves quite well, new managers. While they are being held back, but this is still. Cadres decide everything, and it is important what is in the head of these cadres, whether they have a conscience, whether they are people or soulless grabbers.
          1. Killemall
            Killemall 11 September 2020 22: 27 New
            -1
            Comrade, what you have outlined is a false message. Where there is a human strong will, where there is a true desire to preserve what you have and what you have achieved, no one can destroy and destroy anything ... Where there is a herd ... stupid and lazy and hungry for easy prey, that one instantly spreads there. the very rabies virus that was observed in Ukraine, and is now observed in Belarus. And after all, this herd does not appear out of nowhere ... this herd is the result of persistent and long-term work of those whose goal is to destroy, destroy, muddy the water, and catch their goodies in that water ... and their lies about freedom and carelessness lie down, sweet and beautiful life (and lace panties as well) into this humus, which some have instead of brains ... and the thought grows in that disheveled head that this president is bored ... we want something else ... and there are not enough brains, that the president of the country is not a smartphone ... the president is a strategy for the country's development for decades ... And about the tagged one ... so what is the tagged one? what is Yeltsin? all these are refined scum and stupid people ... but they did not lead us ... but we, like that stupid herd, followed them ... it was not they, but we destroyed everything ... and nothing will change until we we do not understand that everything depends on us and we are responsible for everything that happened. if we blame someone, we won't see anything good ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 12 September 2020 11: 34 New
              +1
              You're right, comrade. But not everyone became a herd. I will say to myself, I butted myself to the last, and now I feel like a foreign elimination in this country. Straight after Chubais, I did not fit into the market, only they didn’t die for evil. For some reason, we suddenly found ourselves in the minority. The rest, educated in Soviet schools, pioneers in the past and Komsomol members - communists, in that present, indifferently watched as their native Soviet power was ironed out of tank guns. Why would that be? The problem-free life of developed socialism is relaxing. This is a key moment, something similar to the cause of what happened. No one could have imagined that it could be otherwise, as a result of the jungle, eat your neighbor. Selfishness and margin at the heart of social relations. Now, for a unique case in the history of mankind, socialism revived I do not know what should happen. Type 3 world, something. Well, the salty smatfonmers, in general, are not to blame, they are brought up like that from a young age. The bourgeois ideological machine threshes without knowing interruptions.
              1. Killemall
                Killemall 12 September 2020 15: 01 New
                0
                I'll tell you what ... we need to fit in ... we have to fit in ... because we all need to prepare for the 24th year, in order to protect what we have achieved ... I don't want a repeat of the 90s ... which means we need to defend , what we have and there is no longer time to engage in reflection on the lost country. conclusions need to be drawn now. is that what I see? Of course, there is a lot of all Mr. and abomination in life, slowly and hard, science rises through external opposition, it is difficult to rebuild industry, problems with education and medicine ... but the country has sovereignty, in some places we are already starting to be proud of it (a completely lost feeling ) and yet there is already a desire of some of the ruling class to revive the country (they haven’t seen it for a long time either), and if so, then I’m on the way ... that's what I think! and right or wrong - only time can tell.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 13 September 2020 10: 14 New
                  0
                  Whom do you see among the bourgeoisie as the guardian of Russia? Patriots are not worthy, but the peoples of the Russian Federation, which, in fact, are Russia? I don't see one.
                  The sun is developing, so that those jackals from the west do not take away the same, by the way, the bourgeoisie, but not from all of us, but from them personally. The industry rises, also controversial, for one built ten destroyed PP. Only those that bring fat. People do not work where, but the main task of the industry is to meet the needs of the population. Rational and everything, not a bunch of thieves. This is the hero of Russia Rotenberg, a patriot of the Russian people? Or who else?
                  And our country will never lose its sovereignty. A thousand years of history has been proven. We hold a huge territory with a small population, under the constant, most severe pressure of the Naglosaki civilization.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 10 September 2020 10: 01 New
      +4
      "my end is someone else's beginning"
      what currency will replace the dollar? not the ruble
      the light at the end of the tunnel is not an exit to the promised land. there may be dust storms with frosts and hurricanes.
    5. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 12 September 2020 22: 52 New
      0
      after the zone of the transferable ruble was liquidated, which was the real currency used by a group of countries representing about 20% of the world economy, the dollar strengthened, and after this group of countries was robbed, things went well there.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 September 2020 05: 38 New
    +2
    America is on the verge of collapse. How the USSR almost won the Cold War
    Do not pour salt on my wounds, do not say sobbing ... my soul still hurts. repeat
    Seriously? I have not read it, but I approve, you need to write more about it! In the old days, there were often traitor merchants who opened the gates to the enemy, for they feel sorry for their treasury. request
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 10 September 2020 06: 07 New
      16
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In the old days, there were often traitor merchants who opened the gates to the enemy, for they feel sorry for their treasury.

      and now isn't it? winked
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 September 2020 07: 08 New
        +8
        At every gate they crowd, elbows push
      2. blackice
        blackice 10 September 2020 09: 28 New
        +3
        Even more so than before.
    2. depressant
      depressant 10 September 2020 09: 27 New
      +5
      Colleague Mavrikiy, be sure to read the article! One breath reads, fire!
      Brilliant style, concise formulations, each of which can be defined as an aphorism, amazing accuracy of estimates.
      In general, Samsonov burns)))
      And what struck me: the story with the four policemen was in 1992? My God, but it seemed to me that only a couple of years ago. How time flies ... As if there weren't those terrible, long, painful thirty years. Life passes like a dream ...
      But we cannot sleep now. The country is undergoing a huge rush from the West. They walk around, sparkle with devilish eyes, looking for an excuse, power, do not sleep!
      I said not so long ago: to close all these NGOs, we will deal with something bad ourselves. No, they didn’t close it and, in the "ku" pose, freezing before the West, they got Navalny. The authorities needed Navalny to climb across the scorching heat, replacing our discontent with their noisy ones, and thus neutralizing ours, bringing him under political crime. Solving an internal problem with unsuitable methods, our government received another external one. And yes, judging by how everything is heating up around us, a fire is really breaking out in the United States. It would not be thrown at us, this is not extinguished with truncheons and arrests.
      They say that we have an economic plan to save the economy, Deputy Prime Minister Belousov is doing his best. Power, is it possible to try faster so as not to repeat this same 1992?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 10 September 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        hi I read it, but nothing new ..... I heard everything from A.I. Fursov. request a couple of years ago.
        Quote: depressant
        They say that we have an economic plan to save the economy, Deputy Prime Minister Belousov is doing his best.

        God forbid. But the secret progress is not visible to the people. Every six months - 200 new plants are being commissioned, and where does anyone talk about it? "Time forward" and that's it. depressant repeat
        The Chinese will hammer a nail in and dance with a tambourine about the next victory of the Chinese genius.
        1. depressant
          depressant 10 September 2020 11: 12 New
          +5
          Colleague!!!
          I read all the publications of the authors "Made by us", I am glad, I put pluses everywhere, but! After all, they do not do according to plan, but rush to do what gives a quick and easy profit, or has political significance. As a result, our economy is seriously imbalanced. And it will take years, a plan, political will and protectionism to bring it into balance, which, it seems, we have almost no left. I really hope for Belousov, he is a hereditary statesman. His father took part in the project "economic councils", but they took the project of the Kharkov economist, it seems, Lieberman, and the project did not go. I hope that Andrei Removich's project will be successful. The tragedy is that funds are sorely lacking for implementation. These scum, oligarchs, still act as a serviceable pump for pumping money out of the country, and the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank - as a serviceable, constantly open valve. This problem must be solved! We cannot hesitate further.
          1. Brancodd
            Brancodd 10 September 2020 13: 05 New
            +2
            about! After all, they do not do according to plan, but rush to do what gives a quick and easy profit, or has political significance

            The key word is "not according to plan" !. The return to strategic planning is overripe. The elite persists in their idea of ​​"like everyone else." And "for all" the transition to a planned economy will probably take place earlier than we think. This will be a surprise ...
      2. Alf
        Alf 10 September 2020 15: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        They say that we have an economic plan to save the economy, Deputy Prime Minister Belousov is doing his best.

        Is a return to socialism planned? I'm missing something ..
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 10 September 2020 19: 03 New
        0
        It would be better to learn how to suck money out of NPOs. This is an item of income.
        We have a lot of crooks, so they would go there so as not to cheat their citizens, but to master the money of Soros and other punks.
  3. Far B
    Far B 10 September 2020 05: 40 New
    -1
    The West was tormented by an energy crisis. In 1975, the West signed an agreement with the USSR in Helsinki, recognizing the USSR's victory in World War II and the Russian sphere of influence in Europe. This was the peak of the political power of the Soviet Union. In fact, Moscow took over in the classic phase of the Cold War (World War III)
    In principle, Brezhnev had nothing to do, to take only one step to cap. the system collapsed: to curtail the supply of Soviet energy resources to the West, thereby aggravating the already difficult energy crisis in capital countries. The rest would have been done by the local people, to whom these crises did not hit anywhere, and who had before their eyes the example of the USSR, where there were no crises anywhere near. But the old man did not have enough eggs. Brezhnev preferred to trade rather than fight (even economically), placing at the forefront the principle of peaceful coexistence of the two systems. The then leaders of the USSR forgot that capital would never put up with the existence of democracy. That was proved during the Gorbachev period - the West did not become almonds and play friendship-peace-gum-trade.
    Therefore, I have portraits of Lenin and Stalin in my office, and there will never be a portrait of Brezhnev.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 September 2020 07: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: Dalny V
      to curtail the supply of Soviet energy resources to the West, thus aggravating the already difficult energy crisis in the capitalist countries.

      And why would he buy wheat in Canada? What shishi ?? !!
      He physically could not give up practically the only source of foreign exchange earnings ...
      1. Far B
        Far B 10 September 2020 08: 01 New
        -1
        And why would he buy wheat in Canada? What shishi ?? !!
        He physically could not give up practically the only source of foreign exchange earnings ...
        Are you serious?! The only one? Didn't you confuse anything? The structure of the export of the USSR to see - religion does not allow?
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 September 2020 09: 21 New
          +6
          Allows .... Only here troubles are countries where there was currency, 1-2-3 of all exports of the USSR, and all other exports are countries of the social camp + countries of the socialist path of development + developing countries
          From them, as you understand, it was unrealistic to receive dollars / pounds / marks
          1. Far B
            Far B 10 September 2020 09: 33 New
            -4
            From them, as you understand, it was unrealistic to receive dollars / pounds / marks
            Was it really possible to get wheat from them? Of course yes. Well, that's it, the issue has been resolved.
            In general, the problem cannot be viewed like that. The Americans, after the collapse of the socialist camp in general and the USSR in particular, almost all of our buns got fucked. Because they, in fact, are the winners, and the winners - axiom - get all the trophies. And all the countries of the socialist camp (almost all) obediently took the side of the winner and voluntarily gave everything that could be given. Therefore, Brezhnev, having crushed the capitalist system and getting wheat producers into his camp, didn’t have to bother with currency - he would have got everything he needed as trophies.
            1. your1970
              your1970 10 September 2020 10: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Dalny V
              Was it really possible to get wheat from them? Of course yes. Well, that's it, the issue has been resolved.

              You are now Brezhnev's oligarchs lol lol lol - they say he specially bought wheat in Canada for foreign currency ... Apparently for a commission ...
              fool fool
              None of the countries cooperating with the USSR produced wheat in the volumes required for the USSR, not a single one ... Fruits - vegetables, palm oil, sugar and that's all ... No more ...

              Therefore, Brezhnev did exactly what he could - he sold for export what brought hard currency ... Which, among other things, was necessary to support the same countries of the social camp ..
              A vicious circle, alas ...
              1. Far B
                Far B 11 September 2020 01: 08 New
                -1
                You are now Brezhnev's oligarchs lol lol lol - they say he specifically bought wheat in Canada for foreign currency ... Apparently for a commission ...
                fool fool
                Twist yourself something. I said that Brezhnev had a chance to crush the capsystem, after which all capitalist countries would automatically go to the camp of the allies of the socialist camp (as it happened, only exactly the opposite, in the 90s). In this case, the USSR simply would not have had any problems with either wheat or currency. If you do not understand what this is about, then these are not my problems.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 11 September 2020 07: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  If you do not understand what this is about, then these are not my problems.

                  I understand your thought - only it belongs to the category of groundless. Your Mriya, they say we will turn the tap and in Europe the people will immediately arrange a revolution and the communists will come to power ... They will not come ...
                  To begin with, in no European country has the oil crisis led to mass riots at the level of a million or two or three strikers. It means bad, but bearable ...
                  The capitalists increased their purchases, put pressure on OPEC, and everything stabilized quite quickly.
                  More recently, oil was worth crazy money - which was taken out of the pockets of European taxpayers. Has there been a revolution in the EU somewhere?

                  So the hope of the level - the tap was closed and in Europe immediately socialism - groundless both under Brezhnev and now
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 11 September 2020 07: 49 New
                    0
                    I understand your thought - only it belongs to the category of groundless. Your Mriya, they say we will turn the tap and in Europe the people will immediately arrange a revolution and the communists will come to power ... They will not come ...
                    You have never understood a thought. Both in the article and in my commentary that there was a moment. A moment, do you understand? We will not "turn the tap and the people in Europe will immediately arrange a revolution," but turn it off at the very moment when America, and therefore the entire West, is already shaking from crises - political, economic and energy. Bifurcation point. Perfect storm. The very addition of unfavorable factors, after which a light push is enough. Brezhnev did not do it exactly at that moment... And to do it a year earlier, a year later, or right now - of course, it makes no sense. This will not have the desired effect. So we are not talking about any "Mriyah" (plane?).
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 11 September 2020 10: 08 New
                      0
                      It wouldn't work anyway ...
                      Even if the moment was accurately guessed ..
                      Would have introduced tanks and that's it ... The experience was in all European countries such
                      In England - Ulster and Ireland, in France - students are almost 10 years old, Germany - no questions at all ...
                      And this push would not have happened - the United States and NATO would not have allowed this.
                      Moreover - revolution committed by people who have nothing to lose and who the population supports MASS.
                      Turning off the tap would not unite the rebels in Europe and give them massive support from the population (which was stratified like a Napoleon cake)
                      Only massive support gives the power to the revolution ...
                      Otherwise, it is a banal putsch / coup ...
          2. blackice
            blackice 10 September 2020 09: 36 New
            +1
            You can remember about gold, the stones are different.
            Moreover, in the event of the fall of the financial system of capitalism, no one really needed greens.
            Michael wrote correctly, there were not enough testicles. Rather, as one character from the movie "Big Jackpot" said - testicles are different. So, according to the definition of that character, Brezhnev's eggs fit the definition: not capable.
            As a result, the collapse of the USSR. The old man just wanted a calm old age, without shocks and great victories.
            1. your1970
              your1970 10 September 2020 10: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: blackice
              The old man just wanted a calm old age, without shocks and great victories.

              I am embarrassed to recall that since the 70s the price of oil and gas has grown many times over .. Nevertheless, neither Europe nor the United States collapsed ...
              So why did you decide that they would collapse if Brezhnev closed the tap?
              Z. S Well, the Americans with a 6-liter engine would have moved 3 liters earlier by 10 years - that's all that would have happened ... No, I’m lying, the OPEC countries would have gotten rich earlier and that's all
              1. blackice
                blackice 11 September 2020 07: 41 New
                0
                They would have moved to the OPEC countries.
                Remind you how oil prices rise in such situations?
                And the fall in consumption as a result of high prices and as a consequence of the crisis. Well, since there was already a crisis at that moment, it means again a great depression.
                So you were in a hurry to make a small-town conclusion.
                Of course, the USSR would also have suffered, but they would have left it with less losses.
          3. Campanella
            Campanella 10 September 2020 19: 06 New
            0
            We didn't really need these bucks, we had practically everything of our own.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 10 September 2020 20: 05 New
              +2
              Brezhnev in the 60s and in the late 70s, as they say, are two big differences. And there is no need for the absence of steel textiles. Blossoms in the VD crushed two times. And the trenches of the Novorossiysk patch, Malaya Zemlya, which is being shot through and bombed through, speak volumes. The man was very sick, he could not really lead. And the Jews were found surrounded. The very same Andropov, who dragged the tagged into the Politburo, was completely inadequate Suslov. There were also comrades who wrote openly "bourgeois" economic programs. The USSR had a chance. Active actions could lead to victory. Cadres, cadres, Stalin was right, a thousand times right.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 11 September 2020 00: 44 New
                0
                Stalin was right, but he got it right with the staff. Perhaps he did not expect his early departure. But such things he had to calculate .. this, of course, ideally.
                But in real life it turned out how it happened ..
                Everyone makes mistakes.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 11 September 2020 18: 01 New
                  +1
                  A man, just a man. Go find out, before certain actions of the subject, what's in his head. Nikita wriggled like a snake so as not to clean out his chance, nevertheless, scooped out, reincarnated. Well Lenya, with his comrades, quickly enough hobbled. What we have now could have begun in the 60s.
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 11 September 2020 19: 32 New
                    +1
                    If you wish, read the article. Everything we received in 1991 was laid down after Stalin's death.
                    https://zavtra.ru/blogs/anatomiya_predatel_stva_georgij_malenkov?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
            2. your1970
              your1970 11 September 2020 07: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Campanella
              We didn't really need these bucks, we had practically everything of our own.

              We didn't have everything - for example, a VAZ (license + plant) was bought for foreign currency. And there are many such purchases ...
              And also loans to countries of the social camp - the money that Putin has now forgiven ... They, too, did not borrow in rubles ...
              And also machine tools, chemical pharmaceuticals, licenses, intelligence agents and agents of influence, and further, further, .. ...
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 11 September 2020 14: 52 New
                0
                The vases were built on Italian credit.
                Somewhere under 2 billion rubles, we did not buy so many machines, only the necessary.
                The expenses are incommensurable with today's.
              2. Essex62
                Essex62 11 September 2020 18: 15 New
                0
                These are pennies, a trifle that was not a problem to get. The Union did not critically need currency. In principle, we could build a Mercedes at our place by copying it. How to bring a claim if we are behind an iron fence and shut the wicket in one minute. Stalin copied the circulation without reflecting. Who would have tried to run over?
                It means that in an environment that has lost touch with reality, the secretary general turned out to be real enemies, making huge holes in the fence. And all this western guano came to us. Two worlds, two systems, rapprochement is not possible. Basically.
  4. Eug
    Eug 10 September 2020 05: 56 New
    +2
    The US actually admitted its economic loss by abandoning the "gold" content of the dollar, and the world swallowed it, frightened by the first energy crisis. After Helsinki, the USSR began to "fit" into the world economy under the dominance of the dollar. It could not end with anything good for the USSR. Next - a chain of very competent actions by the United States and its satellites and inadequate (for various reasons) responses by the Soviet leadership ...
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 10 September 2020 05: 59 New
    11
    "Oh, if only, oh, if it weren't for life, but a song" (c) ... After the fight, they don't wave their fists ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 September 2020 07: 10 New
      +4
      Aha, there is such a boxer sitting in the locker room after a knockout: "Oh, I would, if I gave him a liver in the fifth round!"
      1. ghby
        ghby 10 September 2020 08: 28 New
        +2
        If he is smart, he must analyze the reasons for his failures and failures. And in particular, as you indicate.
        1. novel66
          novel66 10 September 2020 08: 37 New
          +1
          on the one hand - yes, but a new fight can go differently
  6. apro
    apro 10 September 2020 06: 20 New
    +9
    To bury sga is a trend in the world in various versions ... here a little bit and that's it. To tear accordions.
    But a sober look at the situation says: sga is the number one world leader. Yes there are enough problems there. Just as there are enough methods to solve them. They are economically independent of anyone. But they themselves dictate their will to many people, including military force,. Manages finances. all over the world ... by means of man-made crises upsets the presumptuous ones. set the tone for the entire media space. by any means. the main player on the cultural front. hollywood rules.
    Was there a chance for the USSR to win? Certainly. But the immaturity of the post-Stalinist leadership of the country was no longer for them.
  7. Cartalon
    Cartalon 10 September 2020 06: 33 New
    -2
    The Great Rebellion Against Whites That Koreans Suppressed
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 September 2020 06: 38 New
    +4
    The opportunities for the Russians were exciting then. Once again, as under Stalin, we could become the moral and technological leader of the planet. Moscow only needed to abandon a number of bad ideas in foreign policy, burying resources, strength and time in Africa and Asia. Hold out for 10-15 years
    Blah blah. All the reasoning of experts and mere mortals is built from the point of view of common sense. And the celestials make decisions based on their own considerations, which have nothing to do with common sense: Khrushchev took revenge, Brezhnev was sybaritic, the benefit of the advisers was the sea, Andropov was deliberately moving Humpbacked, Humpbacked - betrayed, Yeltsin - fought for power and sold, GDP - the endless shuffling of a driven horse from side to side, harnessed to a cart stuck along the axis. request
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 10 September 2020 06: 54 New
    10
    America is on the verge of collapse. How the USSR almost won the Cold War

    ALMOST WINNING, this is little consolation for those who have lost the Great Country!
    1. novel66
      novel66 10 September 2020 07: 13 New
      +2
      And generally not a consolation, it is even more offensive. Vitya hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 September 2020 07: 50 New
        +2
        Novel soldier
        Offended, chewing snot .... no time! Now we must go forward! Build the country in a new way!
        1. novel66
          novel66 10 September 2020 07: 55 New
          +7
          with such and such ballast?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 September 2020 08: 07 New
            -3
            Until a worthy replacement has emerged or we start a REAL RISE HIGHER, having the one at the helm / on the bridge of the one / those who CAN CONTROL EVERYTHING, it is useless to dump the ballast, even dangerous, WE CAN TURN OUT!
            MORE THOROUGH is necessary, always and in everything!
            1. tatra
              tatra 10 September 2020 09: 11 New
              0
              For some reason, Soviet Russia / USSR, having dropped the ballast from the same rich and richest parasites after the October Revolution, did not "tumble" anywhere.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 September 2020 09: 20 New
                -4
                Botatata, change the record and let the history of MY country be corrected, Schaub did not print such nonsense.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 10 September 2020 09: 35 New
                  -1
                  If you are unable to answer anything intelligently, do not answer.
              2. your1970
                your1970 10 September 2020 10: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: tatra
                after the October Revolution, it did not "tumble" anywhere.

                Even as somersaults, "war communism" began, and then the NEP had to be introduced ...

                War communism is when you change your computer for a pound of bread and you will be terribly happy to exchange verses
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 10 September 2020 11: 10 New
                  +1
                  With stubborn, at least from any side, it is useless to argue! And with a bot, so finally ...
  10. Free wind
    Free wind 10 September 2020 07: 02 New
    +2
    There is one dollar, Apparently tomorrow the streets will be filled with collapsed dollars. Glory to the great ...
  11. Reviews
    Reviews 10 September 2020 07: 05 New
    +1
    Didn't Max Kalashnikov take a new pseudonym for an hour? :)
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 September 2020 07: 15 New
    +4
    Brezhnev is nowhere to be found in history. He also signed the Helsinki Agreement. 18 years could not be led by a weak leader. And all these writings from America are better not to mention. At that time, Yakovlev's book (not to be confused with the ideologue of perestroika) "The CIA against the USSR" was published. Interesting words to remember "To destroy the power in other states should be the hands of local" (Not exactly). This time should be illuminated through the eyes of historians. They know better than we do what actually happened.
  13. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 10 September 2020 07: 15 New
    +7
    Always happy with the work of Samsonov. It's nice to see how a good person lives in his beautiful world. Happiness to him, health, good mood!

    I did not go to the ceremonial meeting and reception with Marshal Zakharov on the occasion of the 44 anniversary of the Soviet Army: I was fed up with the chatter about how strong and good we were. Five years ago, they shouted heavily that we would soon catch up with America in milk and meat. And now, when we are acutely lacking in meat, milk and butter (they come from Gorky to Moscow for meat, they ask for oil from Leningrad, and there are no more than one thrush a day at the Babiyorodsk market in Moscow), the cries on this subject have ceased. In agriculture, our business is tight. A lot of fraud, even more “valuable” indications that contradict each other - as a result, the number of livestock in some places is already declining. The indiscriminate introduction of corn, requiring special climatic conditions and a large amount of fertilizer, is also making itself felt.

    Korolev called Commander and insisted on a three-day flight. Our leadership showed weakness and under the pressure of the Queen agreed with his proposal: if everything is fine for two days, then we can allow the flight for three days.

  14. Boris55
    Boris55 10 September 2020 08: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: S. Alexander
    We could defeat the West, led by the United States. And against the background of the collapse of NATO and Western civilization, create a Russian-Soviet world order ...

    1. After Stalin's death, the relationship between us and countries friendly to us changed dramatically. Khrushchev's policy (XX Congress) turned almost everyone away from us. Remember about Damansky.
    2. We could overthrow the West if Brezhnev accepted De Gaulle's offer and we would start selling oil for rubles, but he decided to support the West and we are still trading it for green muculature and thereby keep the West from collapse.
    3. With the arrival of Brezhnev, the era of degradation of our country began. At the congresses, grandiose plans were adopted and literally right there and then these plans were revised downward ...
    4. By the arrival of the hunchback, the country had degraded completely and he again, like Brezhnev, directed all the resources of our country to support the West ...
    1. nikvic46
      nikvic46 10 September 2020 08: 14 New
      +1
      Boris: Have you looked at the map of the 50s? There are completely colonial countries. What allies can we talk about. We had powerful allies - the Communist Parties of America, France, Italy ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 September 2020 08: 29 New
        -3
        Quote: nikvic46
        Have you looked at the map of the 50s?

        I watched this one: Map of the formation of the camp of the countries of the social. Commonwealth.



        Quote: nikvic46
        We had powerful allies - the Communist Parties of America, France, Italy ...

        After the XX Congress, their ardor has significantly diminished. The same China sharply opposed the policy pursued by Khrushchev.
    2. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 10 September 2020 14: 57 New
      +3
      The USSR existed only under Stalin, the rest is already the deliberate destruction of the Union by its enemies (that the liberals Ulyanov-Bronstein, that the feudal-Vlasovites Khrushch and beyond)
  15. 1536
    1536 10 September 2020 08: 09 New
    +1
    As long as the US has a printing press and it works, there will be no collapse there. Fuck-tararah, perhaps, will be, but there is no collapse. And then, what do I care about the United States if my country collapsed overnight in 1991? And the consequences of this for everyone are still felt. At least in that insecurity when a citizen of Russia is not protected either inside the country or outside its borders. Just words.
  16. val43
    val43 10 September 2020 08: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Dalny V
    capital will never put up with the existence of democracy

    People's power? Are you serious?
    1. tatra
      tatra 10 September 2020 09: 16 New
      -2
      And what is wrong ? Under capitalism, firstly, there are closed social lifts "for the people, and secondly, the capitalists, even with their vaunted democracy, will never let those who want to change their capitalist System win elections.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 September 2020 10: 37 New
        0
        Quote: tatra
        Under capitalism, firstly, closed social lifts "for the people

        Lomonosov, who came to Moscow on foot and founded the university, apparently lived under socialism?
      2. Tsoy
        Tsoy 10 September 2020 13: 40 New
        +1
        Under capitalism, firstly, closed social lifts "for the people


        Uh-huh. Tell that to Zuckerberg, Musk, Gates. So closed that they became billionaires from zero.
  17. for
    for 10 September 2020 09: 09 New
    +5
    Having defeated the USSR, America itself almost collapsed. The struggle came at a very high cost to the West. The United States was on the brink of collapse.

    We are ourselves WIN!
  18. Asad
    Asad 10 September 2020 09: 10 New
    +3
    I do not understand about the punishers who dispersed the rioters?
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 10 September 2020 09: 53 New
    +8
    Alas. The author is clearly trying to fantasize .... vobschem.

    About the USSR - alas, it was America that dragged the USSR into the arms race, and not vice versa. And in the USSR with civilian products. alas, was full of seams. Absolute.
    Scarce TVs that still break down after 2 months. Sneakers that should not be worn because all seams inward. Tape recorders and turntables that spoil records and tape ...
    Photo paper and photographic film, which instantly deteriorates from time to time, unlike Western ones ... poor heavy furniture, and a car that must be brought up by yourself immediately after purchase ...

    And the West saves on space (and what to do there?), But implements there landmark projects like "Hubble", the population of the USSR is chasing Western (or at least not ours) clothing, paints, records, electronics, furniture, cars, films, etc. .d. etc.

    Even the PR of weapons is different, like heaven and earth ...

    And blacks ... Blacks are always worried ... we also do not like to remember the Caucasus ... and Grozny, which was bombed to zero ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 10 September 2020 11: 40 New
      -4
      Well, yes, that's why the critics of the USSR ditched ALL industries and agriculture, and replaced domestic with imports, at the same time depriving their citizens of work.
  20. An64
    An64 10 September 2020 10: 42 New
    +2
    A cool headline, just like from a fantastic story of the era of developed socialism: "America is on the brink of collapse. How the USSR almost won the Cold War" !!!
    But in fact, the USSR itself lost in the "cold war" and collapsed. :-(
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 September 2020 16: 45 New
      +1
      An article from alternative history.
      There are many of them on the net:
      "What would have happened if Napoleon had won at Waterloo."
      "What would happen if Hannibal took Rome" smile
  21. CBR600
    CBR600 10 September 2020 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Postum
    Surprisingly, both those traitors were accidentally communists.

    Absolutely sure
    1. tatra
      tatra 10 September 2020 11: 27 New
      -7
      Yes, just not by chance, but everything is in full accordance with the mentality of the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, who do not have any convictions, moral principles at all, and who all these 100 years after the October Revolution always pretend to be those who are beneficial to them at the moment. ...
      1. CBR600
        CBR600 10 September 2020 12: 56 New
        -2
        and that all these 100 years after the October Revolution always pretend to be those who are profitable for them at the moment. ...

        they were cleared out in 37, as they chopped firewood, got rid of the gene pool. The word mentality is true, only not in there, but with everyone or everyone.
        1. tatra
          tatra 10 September 2020 13: 08 New
          -5
          The enemies of the communists, behind their puppeteers and one after another, repeat clichés, the meaning of which you yourself do not understand, are not able to prove and substantiate them. WHO are, in your understanding, "the gene pool and the flower of the nation", about which you are clamoring in chorus, starting with your anti-Soviet Perestroika?
          1. CBR600
            CBR600 11 September 2020 12: 13 New
            +1
            Doctors of Science, Academicians. Engineers, designers, generals ... They are. And yes, doctors.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 11 September 2020 18: 25 New
              0
              Generals? Oh well...
  22. evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 September 2020 10: 59 New
    +2
    There are a lot of pathetics and stretching of the message in the article. I would like to read here analytics about the crisis of the states of the 80s. And the fact that the collapse of the union was a pleasant surprise for them, and it has long been known.
  23. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 September 2020 11: 39 New
    +3
    Cliched:
    The total damage from the riots was estimated at over $ 1 billion.
    a penny amount covered by insurance companies, mostly losses of individuals. - How does the author mix it up with the "fall of the USA"? The "artist" sees this way ...
    In the late 1970s, the American military-political leadership realized: either the United States would overthrow and plunder the USSR, or America and the West would fall into a new severe crisis (the crisis of capitalism)

    Joke?
    The author at least glanced at economic statistics periodically, and not into the depths of his boundless imagination:
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 September 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      Economic statistics do not exist.
  24. iouris
    iouris 10 September 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    What are our national interests? Who will benefit and profit from America's collapse? Some Americans.
  25. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 September 2020 11: 53 New
    -1
    Let's see who was in crisis.
    According to the author's imagination, the United States allegedly leaves, in fact:

    The grain yield in the USSR has never been highly efficient.

    Car production lagged ten times behind the United States (the table above).
    At 1950, the share of the USSR in world GDP was 9,6%. This amounted to 35% of US GDP, that is, even lower than the pre-war level, but, nevertheless, much higher than the figure for the first post-war year.

    In subsequent years, the difference in the gross products of the two superpowers, which by that time the USSR and the USA had become, decreased more and more, although not at such a fast pace as before. By 1970, Soviet GDP was about 40% of United States GDP, which was already quite an impressive indicator.

    in 1970 the gross domestic product in the USSR was $ 433 million. Until 400, it grew to $ 1973 billion. The next year there was a slight drop, and then growth resumed again. In 617, GDP reached $ 800 million, but the next year was followed by a significant drop - $ 1980 million. This situation was associated with a sharp drop in world oil prices. But, we must pay tribute that already in 940, GDP resumed growth. In 000, it reached its maximum - $ 906 million. This is the highest value of the gross domestic product during the entire existence of the Soviet Union.

    in subsequent years, an almost continuous decline began, which clearly characterized the state of the economy of the USSR at that time. The only episode of short-term growth occurred in 1986. The GDP of the USSR in 1990 amounted to 778 million dollars. It was the seventh-largest result in the world, and the total share of the Soviet Union in the world's gross product was 400%.

    the nominal GDP of the United States, in contrast to the gross domestic product of the USSR, grew continuously from 1970 to 1990. Over 20 years, it has increased by $ 4 million.

    It is well analyzed here: https://yandex.ru/turbo/fb.ru/s/article/267700/vvp-sssr-i-ssha-sravnenie
    Not like fairy tales from Samsonov.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 September 2020 14: 41 New
      -1
      Consumption and demand in the USSR have always been at a relatively low level. Nevertheless, the state was highly resilient. In the United States, a rapid increase in needs was provoked, but by 1990, huge resources had to be sucked out of the USSR to meet them and maintain stability. Practically for nothing. But this resource has already been exhausted. Robbery of Belarus and even the Russian Federation will not give a noticeable improvement. We'll have to make a revolution already in the USA.
  26. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 September 2020 12: 04 New
    +2
    There is another interesting plate, but the data in it is "according to foreign sources" - that is, it requires verification
    but the figures for military spending and infant mortality are fair

    In the USSR, the number of inhabitants per 1 passenger car - 26 people - is too high, despite the fact that only 1,3 million passenger cars were produced per year, of which 69 lawns went only to the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  27. itis
    itis 10 September 2020 12: 23 New
    +1
    I remember my father had a book from the fifties, a textbook on gypsum-cardboard, Soviet, of course, and ...?
    where was this technology (drywall) in the seventies, eighties?
    I am sure that the reason (s) why it did not receive development lies in the basis of the collapse of the Union. These are internal reasons.
    and so it was in everything. a patent for an invention was unrealistic to obtain
  28. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 10 September 2020 12: 49 New
    +2
    Delirium from Samsonov, as always.
  29. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 10 September 2020 12: 50 New
    +2
    Americans are constantly burying Russia. We are constantly burying America. How can we all not get tired of this?
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 11 September 2020 10: 54 New
      +1
      Well, idiots on both sides of the ring have in store for 100 years :)
    2. val43
      val43 15 September 2020 10: 20 New
      +2
      The funny thing is that 99% of Americans don't give a damn if there is Russia or not. And 99% of Russians sleep and see the collapse of America. And VO, in particular, is a confirmation of this.
  30. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 10 September 2020 13: 09 New
    +1
    I read the text, I was already captured by nostalgia. Straight, that's neither give nor take, Maxim Kalashnikov arr. 1999, when he was still good, wrote with a twinkle in his first books.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 11 September 2020 10: 55 New
      0
      Exactly. "Broken sword of the Empire", where TARKR "Peter the Great" 70 anti-ship missiles on the stern in the VPU carries :)
  31. Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 September 2020 13: 32 New
    +2
    Punishers opened fire at any resistance.
    Here I disagree with the author - when people put things in order, they cannot be punitive. Moreover, "the people revolted" here, as it were, also does not fit by definition. They actually detained a scumbag, a real criminal, and a crowd of the same thugs signed up for this guy. After all, they did not go with the demands of freedom, equality, work, decent wages and other things - a crowd of thugs just rushed to rob ...
  32. Tsoy
    Tsoy 10 September 2020 13: 34 New
    +1
    You would think the riots in the United States began in 92 ...
    In the 60s, when the whole world watched as Armstrong flies to the moon, several cities blazed in revolts as well as now. And these were not the current BLM, but the black panthers prepared and ready for armed confrontation. And nothing all calmed down. So the idea that the USSR did not wait a little before victory is far-fetched with white threads.
  33. AB
    AB 10 September 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    we could defeat the West, led by the United States. And create your own Russian-Soviet world order.

    Is it necessary for Russia or the USSR? I think no. The USSR could have delivered cancer to the States back in 1945. Simply by squeezing the Kwantung group from the mainland to the islands. The Yankees would be bogged down in the war for another 10-15 years. And the Japanese would not have forgotten who bombed them. And then Japan is now a country that does not remember the real events of the Second World War.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 11 September 2020 18: 34 New
      +1
      Bravo! But the USSR needed it and for some reason it did not do it. This is where Bronstein could come in handy for Stalin. No, he was building in a separate country, keeping the enemy's foothold for the future. Mistake. Great, but only human.
  34. av58
    av58 10 September 2020 14: 37 New
    -1
    Yes, it was. It is worth watching not only documentaries, but even just feature films produced in the USA in the 80s, this becomes obvious. If the shooting is in New York, then this is a city like after a total bambarding.
  35. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 10 September 2020 14: 54 New
    -2
    Nothing, there will still be a holiday on our street, and very soon - the bill has been going on for months. After November, a civil war and disintegration will begin in the United States, then the collapse of the world dollar system, the contraction of the EU, and much more. Yes, I had to make a detour and lose a lot, but in the end I won. It is now approximately March 1945 https://t.me/dvaplustwo
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 10 September 2020 15: 10 New
      12
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      Nothing, there will still be a holiday on our street, and very soon - the bill has been going on for months. After November, a civil war and disintegration will begin in the United States, then the collapse of the world dollar system, the contraction of the EU, and much more. Yes, I had to make a detour and lose a lot, but in the end I won. It is now approximately March 1945 https://t.me/dvaplustwo

      Your words to God in the ears, that's just what your confidence is based on? What are your reasons for saying so?
      1. unaha
        unaha 10 September 2020 15: 43 New
        +4
        Yes, no, pure and unclouded fantasies.
      2. Imperial Technocrat
        Imperial Technocrat 12 September 2020 01: 29 New
        0
        Sense of answering? Don't believe it anyway. Just watch - not long left
  36. unaha
    unaha 10 September 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    "Moscow only had to abandon a number of bad ideas in foreign policy, burying resources, forces and time in Africa and Asia. To hold out for 10-15 years, to finally wear down the United States in the arms and technology race, devaluing America's gigantic investments in new and expensive types of weapons with cheap asymmetric answers and bold decisions Avoiding large spending on thousands of aircraft and tanks, focusing on modernizing existing weapons Simultaneously performing an economic miracle again (as under Stalin or after the example of late China) by introducing new technologies in housing and road construction , agriculture, to become a new center of the scientific and technological revolution (its apogee was supposed to be the Russian mission to Mars). Allow private small and medium-sized enterprises - production, and not speculative and trade, as under Gorbachev, in the service sector. " - really, just something! ))) Ie take and quickly change the very essence of the existing state system, the nature of the elites and ideology.
  37. Alexfly
    Alexfly 10 September 2020 16: 13 New
    +4
    USA on the brink of disaster? It may be so, only now it seems to me why oh, that this line is incredibly wide, that the USSR, the transitional Russia, the post-Soviet countries are shaking incessantly without it. The world has changed markedly, and these are still on the brink ... Maybe I'm looking from the wrong angle?
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 September 2020 17: 48 New
      0
      Quote: AlexFly
      USA on the brink of disaster?

      On the verge of the political and economic system of the United States and the world.
  38. Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 10 September 2020 18: 59 New
    0
    If only if only grandfather would be a grandmother ..... The communists of the nomenklatura are tired of living in their closed paradise, they wanted to live "like people". These are the words of Henrikh Yagoda, they say we have taken power, now "ka people" should live in the West without any revolutionary heresy. Then the Bolsheviks, led by Stalin, interfered. Well, in the 90s, they, the Bolsheviks, were no longer found. The KGB was morally decayed and was unable to save the country from internal enemies, the people were tired so that victory did not shine under any circumstances. The history of the subjunctive does not have ... It can be perverted to distort, which is what historians are mainly doing
  39. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 10 September 2020 19: 32 New
    0
    The problem of American doublethink is not new, but the US will collapse only after the economy. Most likely - for the world
  40. Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 10 September 2020 19: 35 New
    +2
    How many years I've lived, I've heard so much - America is about to collapse. And for the same number of years, chewing gum, jeans, layers, emigration to America is a dream of life.
  41. Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 10 September 2020 20: 34 New
    +3
    The USSR made weapons much cheaper than in the West, ruining the enemy.


    It's funny. The West is still rich, and the USSR is bankrupt.
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 September 2020 22: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Roman1970_1
      The west is still rich

      You are greatly mistaken, because you think only in absolute terms of consumption, and you forget about relative impoverishment. After the counter-revolution in the USSR (and the world), the "middle class" was heavily plundered.
  42. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 10 September 2020 21: 38 New
    0
    From the point of view of morality and intellect, Soviet people of the 60-70s were much higher than the West. The Soviet school was the best in the world. Schools, technical schools, institutes and universities provided excellent personnel. Science continued to create technologies and projects that could make the Union a space superpower, ahead of the whole world for decades (or even a century). The West, on the other hand, quickly degraded on the wave of hippies, the sexual revolution and the rapid spread of drug addiction (sex, drugs and rock and roll).

    The Soviet people of those years had the opportunity to self-actualize. Not in a financial and monetary sense, but in another. It was a movement of inventors and innovators. In the army, in the navy and in civilian life. Yes, it didn’t bring a lot of money, but it helped the country and amused our young pride.
    This does not exist now and cannot be. Nowadays only calculation and nothing for nothing :)
    Famously. The link to the text from the article does not work due to inadmissible sayings.
  43. Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 10 September 2020 22: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: prapor55
    Patience colleague, after the elections in the United States a big mess will begin, then we will look at the dollar. hi

    Google the Russian Internet sector - you will be surprised at the number of "accurate" predictions of the collapse of the US and the dollar.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 10 September 2020 23: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: Igor Litvin
      Google the Russian Internet sector - you will be surprised at the number of "accurate" predictions of the collapse of the US and the dollar.

      Shaw is something like 20-30 years in comparison with the World Revolution?
  44. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 10 September 2020 23: 06 New
    +1
    This is what they tried.
    But the West has already launched a Chinese project with might and main. The transfer of production to the PRC allowed them to sharply reduce the cost of all goods and ensure an unprecedented rise in the standard of living. And there was nothing to oppose to this.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 11 September 2020 18: 41 New
      0
      As always, performed by the Naglo-Saxons. More than a billion slaves who are ready to die for a penny on the plantation of the white sahib.
  45. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 10 September 2020 23: 54 New
    +3
    The article is complete nonsense. The West is rotting and decaying, and it is still attractive to business people. The author dreams of a new, Russian world order - what is this about? Forty years ago there was no Russian order or project, and even our Soviet people turned their backs on the Soviet order, having eaten their fill of lies and poverty. Who, besides us, Russians, is interested in our current "Russian" world order based on corruption, wild capitalism and the permissiveness of the oligarchs? We have lost Ukraine, we are losing Belarus, and that's all - the "Russian world" is no longer interesting to anyone from the word at all.
  46. AKS-U
    AKS-U 11 September 2020 02: 03 New
    -2
    - "So we could overthrow the West, led by the United States. And against the background of a new economic depression in the world, the collapse of NATO and Western civilization, create our own Russian-Soviet world order."
    The Government's betrayal destroyed the Country and shed the blood of the peaceful. The name of Judas is Gorbachev.
  47. Vit43
    Vit43 12 September 2020 08: 40 New
    -2
    Unfortunately, the ideology of socialism does not provide for the destruction and elimination of its competitor, capitalism, by violent actions from outside, it was assumed that capitalism, based on the Marxist-Leninist doctrine, would destroy itself, therefore the USSR special services were not given the task of organizing color revolutions in the capitalist world , with the aim of eliminating it, and only tasks were set to fulfill the main Leninist slogan - social. a revolution is only worth something if it can defend itself. That is, the main task of the USSR was, only, its own defense, so any idea of ​​a special, artificial creation of problems for capitalism was noted at the root.
    This was the main mistake of the USSR leadership.
    Today, the Russian Federation is a capitalist country, therefore, the country's leadership, of course, cannot face the task of destroying capitalism or weakening it, this contradicts the foundations of any capitalist state, which, according to its name, stands guard over Capital, that is, On guard of the capitalists. the main class in the country. It can only be, according to the Marxian theory, about the redistribution of spheres of influence in the World, but with the obligatory preservation of the capitalist system, so no one will destroy, for example, the United States as a state, they will only change owners, put their own or become them , with the aim of making a profit in your pocket.
    At the same time, there can be no question of any change in the System, since it is not for this purpose that one capitalist takes a business from another capitalist in order to distribute the fruits of this business to workers and peasants.
    In short, everything is going according to the plan of the Marxik-Leninist doctrine of Capitalism.
    1. kutuz
      kutuz 12 September 2020 23: 42 New
      +1
      "The Russian Federation is a capitalist country" - the Russian Federation has never been a capitalist country. The Russian Federation is ruled by an oligarchy, and this has nothing to do with capitalism. There is such a concept "Kumovskaya capitalism".
      https://www.forbes.ru/milliardery-photogallery/382507-10-bogateyshih-semeynyh-klanov-rossii-2019
  48. kutuz
    kutuz 12 September 2020 23: 29 New
    +1
    "How the USSR almost won a victory" is nonsense, you can not read further.