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Bulgaria in the summer of 1968. Memories of a Soviet schoolboy

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After so many years, I never cease to wonder how little I have left from this trip: a clay brooch and this postcard with the image of the Pirate Frigate restaurant, which we climbed, but did not order anything due to the high cost


Come in Bulgaria, come in my verse
As the steamer enters leisurely
In a semicircle of blue embraces
Welcoming bay.
Rasul Gamzatov


Memories of the past. Previous material about holidays in BulgariaI ended up on money. For the amount that my mother and I received from exchanging our money for Bulgarian. It is clear that my mother immediately ran to buy herself a jersey coat. We found some kind of small shop, and there ... what not. And everyone gives the measure right on the bathing suit, that is, in fact, on the naked body. They did not find a suitable size for her right away, so they promised to bring it in for a day. But she immediately bought me a "jersey" jacket in the color of Spanish tobacco, which I was, of course, happy about in a terrible way. Naturally, she also bought herself a jersey suit: a jacket with a skirt, and also in a color close to khaki. We wanted to buy a national-style clay coffee set in a nearby store, wildly and brightly painted, but decided to save money.


And after returning home, my mother wrote these lines on the back of this postcard: "In memory"

But they drank a lot of soda water with syrup in the vending machines there. And they there were not at all the same as in our Union, where you yourself had to wash the glass, and there was only one syrup. There were several syrups: lemon, apple, pear, raspberry. When you pressed the button (after you dropped the coin), a cardboard cup first fell, and then soda was poured into it. Nearby was a recycler for used cups. And a little further - there was also a coffee machine that sold coffee with sugar, without sugar, double and with milk! The question immediately arose: why do not we have this? But, of course, my mother, even though she was a certified specialist in the field stories The Communist Party, there was no answer to it.

And then we saw a kiosk where Coca-Cola and Orangeade were sold, bought both, drank and ... finally "went astray." I didn't drink anything tastier, so it seemed to me then. And very soon we noticed that the prices here are different everywhere!

So, on the beach, for example, a Bulgarian boy regularly walked and shouted: “Ice cream! Leningrad ice cream! " and sold packs of ice cream from a refrigerator bag to everyone at 25 stotinka per pack. But outside the beach, the same pack cost 22 stotinki, in a stall on the way to our hotel - 20, on the way uphill - 17, and at the very top - only 15! And the same was the case with drinks: the most expensive Coca-Cola and orangeade were on the beach, and on the top of the mountain they cost only 15 stotinka. The prices for fruits were kind of ridiculous: huge apples, grapes, peaches - all this was so cheap that even we, saving every stotinka, bought them almost every day. In addition, peaches and grapes were regularly served at dinner: two large peaches or a bunch of grapes. Moreover, it was possible to determine what would be served to you in advance by the contents of two large stone bowls at the entrance to the restaurant: what fruits were there, they were served to us.


Balchik town. There is an "interesting place" on the shore. Nothing has changed here since 1968!

Interesting problems have arisen with bread. The first one was connected with the fact that there was not enough bread at the table! Only white bread was served, like our chunky loaf, cut into slices. And its consumption was great. Every now and then in our hall we heard: “Bread! More bread! Russians still have bread! " And one could see how surprised the foreigners from other halls were when the waiters, on the second call, brought bread to our tables.

The second was associated with the complete absence of black bread, to which we are all accustomed. They started asking, offering money for him, but ... what the Bulgarians did not have, that was not. "This one is better!" - they tried to explain to us, but we answered that habit is second nature.


Beautiful, you will not say anything. But we have villas in Penza today that are much more impressive, real castles!

Some of the dishes seemed pretty amazing to us and we didn't eat them. For example, sweet (!) Soup with pepper and lard, fried in small pieces. I tried it - and did not eat. But I ate scrambled eggs with sweet pepper with pleasure, and since then I have been eating it constantly and taught both my wife and daughter to it.


Aladzha cave monastery near Varna. Inside view

Once we were served pots with large chunks of very appetizing meat, drowning in millet porridge filled with boiling olive oil. All ours refused, and I was tempted by a piece of meat, and decided not to eat porridge. On top of the meat there were some dark long peppers, but I did not attach any importance to this, especially since I had already eaten a lot of bell peppers by this time. Has bitten. It turned out to be chili! Tears poured from my eyes, I drank both bottles of mineral water and all the remaining wine and still had to run home and the only way I was saved was that I continuously rinsed my mouth with cold water. Paid for his own ignorance, so to speak, in full!


These are the paths and railings there.

As I already wrote about this in the last article, the main purpose of my trip with my mother was to purchase things from jersey. But after buying them, we still had money, and my mother went to Varna to the market (again to the market!), Where, as she was told, wonderful blouses with lace front were sold (another trendy thing in 1968!) Made of fake silver and gold. A thing of barbaric splendor, just fall and not get up! Well, I was also given pocket money, with which I went to Luna Park - the first Luna Park in my life. And I visited there and in the "Castle of Ghosts", and rode a carousel with fighter planes of the Second World War, which "dived" up and down, obeying the pressing of the handle, and even fired flashes of "fire" from machine guns! But most of all I was shocked by two shooting galleries. The first looked like this: a machine gun on a counter, and in front of it was a scene: a city over which planes were flying, and you were shooting at them, and the machine gun itself was shaking, and tiny flashes flashed among the planes, as if from explosions. And as soon as you get on the plane, a red light comes on on it, a siren starts to howl: "Oo-oo-ooooo!", And he himself falls. Well, next to the scoreboard, the number of shots and the number of hits were displayed, as a result of which the shooter was given prizes: badges or candies. I almost got stunned by this and played this shooting gallery literally to ... stunned. And then I went to the second shooting range, where I had to shoot at a target from a pneumatic parabellum. And here the first prize for disappearing in the top ten was more than solid - a bottle of Pliska cognac. A shot costs 15 stotinks. I hit the top nine, but I never knocked out the cognac. I was rewarded with some delicious raspberry candy and a bottle of Coca-Cola.

Bulgaria in the summer of 1968. Memories of a Soviet schoolboy

External galleries view

And on the way back, I also found a foreign exchange store. Where EVERYTHING was sold! But only for dollars, pounds, francs and marks. I stood there, like in a museum, looking at Ronson lighters, packages of Camel and Marlboro cigarettes, bottles of White Horse whiskey and a wonderful sheepskin coat embroidered with colored threads - just for my mother and costing only 25 dollars. Well, at school I was taught that a dollar costs 60 kopecks, and such a cheapness of such a wonderful thing shocked me. However, not me alone, but men from our group too. They entered this store after the beach and stood up with their mouths open. And then they began to offer to exchange dollars for rubles, but no: the saleswoman did not agree to this. And we went to the hotel, utterly offended: we freed them from the Germans, and that's how they are ... Black ingratitude!


And here is the rise to the floors of the cave monastery

I must say that rest is a rest, sea and sun by itself, but a good excursion program was prepared for us. So, we were taken to the small town of Balchik, where they showed someone's residence there and a park with it. Well, interesting, of course. But everything is so small, chamber ...

Then we were taken to the Aladzha cave monastery. It was more interesting, I never thought before that there were such "churches" and that they hid from enemies and lived there. Then they were taken to the "cactus valley". Something the size of a stadium and cacti all around. Then to the "Valley of Roses". It was already a valley. There I learned that in order to get 1 gram of rose oil, you need to process a ton of rose petals. That is why it is so expensive. They offered to immediately buy an essence in rose oil ("nasty drop" per ton of alcohol!) And bought everything, and then this tiny bubble was enough for several years!


Model of the entire Aladzha cave monastery in the museum. In 1968 it never happened

They took me to Varna to the art gallery and museum of the Navy, and for some reason to Sunny Beach. This is also a resort, but after Golden Sands it did not impress us: flat, hotels-towers and dunes. That's all the joy. But there was also a town on the island of Nessebar and the Pirate Frigate restaurant. On the way there, I noticed the houses of Bulgarian peasants. The difference between them and our peasant huts was striking. I would not refuse such a house even today! And the guide Ivanka explained to me that the whole thing, firstly, is in the ground - there are a lot of stones in it, and the Bulgarian peasant, preparing the field for sowing, at the same time picks up stones for his house or fence! And secondly, for a Bulgarian, a beautiful house is the goal of life. Therefore, they invest and invest in the house. I thought: why are our houses so poor, why for our peasants the house is not the goal of life? .. But, of course, I did not think about these questions for very long.

There were very funny trips to "household restaurants", that is, those that are decorated in the national style. We were in the "Indian village", in huts, "Monastyrskaya izba", where they ate delicious pancakes and drank "monastery" wine, dark red and very tasty. Were in the koshara. However, my mother did not go to the koshara with me. But what it is and what was there, I, of course, know. The koshara is a sheep pen. But with him an open-air restaurant was built - everything is wooden, rough, polished with backs and elbows. They bring a group. She chooses a sheep, they cut it, fresh it, turn it into meat, and then it is fried. For meat salad and a lot, well, just a lot of wine. Well, our "men" got drunk there, of course, and after returning to the hotel ... they fought and broke the glass in one of the rooms (worth 70 leva). And since the breakers no longer had money, the whole group had to add up. Rather, those who were accustomed to be always "for the collective farm" had to take shape, because the smart ones said that they had spent everything a long time ago!

There was a "friendship meeting" at the restaurant of the Ambassador Hotel. It was interesting there, because on the one hand we were, and on the other ... on the other, whoever was there. I was seated opposite a boy with his mother from England - they say, you are studying in a special school, so you will talk to them. Well, I also "spoke", drenched in sweat from fear and embarrassment. But nothing, they didn't bite off a piece of me! It's good that we had themes at school: "My hometown", "My family", "My school", "My hobbies", "Books that I love". That's what I gave them all. And they understood me. From what they said to me in response, I understood a little and, again, was very surprised at this: why so? Worst of all, there was one of our "comrades" sitting next to him, who kept forgetting which hand to hold what to hold and ate like a magician, throwing the knife and fork from one hand to the other, cutting the splint into pieces, but this cannot be done, from excitement dropped them on the tablecloth, in a word, behaved completely different from the "memo of the foreign tourist." And the English boy pointed at him with his eyes and asked me: "What's wrong with him?" And there really was "something" with him. And I replied that he was a “factory worker”. I said this, and I was very upset, as I realized that I had let our country down. But on the other hand, what else could you say looking at this? That "uncle" is not himself? But I liked how this boy, and younger than me, ate carefully and behaved very confidently, like an adult. Yes, and his mother was a match for her son, although she told me that "you speak well, but you should have worked a little on the pronunciation." Alas, I still have problems with this, and then I was scolded for "porridge in my mouth" both at the university and when I entered graduate school, but, however, I manage ...

Actually, I was surprised what this English family was doing in Bulgaria. And now I understand: for them everything was very cheap there, and the sea and the sun were the same there as elsewhere. Only in the Maldives is more expensive.

By the way, we met there Hungarians, Spaniards (didn't have enough of their own sea and sun?), Germans from the GDR and ... FRG, this English couple, and also Finns and Swedes. It is interesting that now many write that our people, they say, do not smile, they look gloomy and therefore they are easy to distinguish from people from the West. At that time, I personally did not hear anything about it and I personally did not think so. Although we have not met anyone on these Golden Sands! Another thing is the Bulgarians themselves, who just smiled at us all the time.

I walk past the shop, look at the apples ... A salesman comes out of there, smiles and gives me an apple. The next day I go with my mother, point to the shop, she gets the money, the seller smiles, refuses the money, gives us two apples. And we faced this attitude all the time!


But this souvenir has survived. We were given these bottles during a farewell dinner. In fact, this is a bottle of Pliska cognac, but covered with something that imitates tree bark, even with knots. An original souvenir, you won’t say anything! And the cork is wooden inside, but outside it is covered with the same composition

We returned home to Penza, and ... it was a sensation. What's with mom with her gold and silver blouse, that with a suit and coat. And I "got it", of course. One "teacher" right in the classroom asked what we had brought from there and whether our purchases justified the cost of the trip. Then it was like this, by the way: the trip had to be “justified” with some purchases. And everyone knew that we "acquitted" her!
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  1. Bagatur
    Bagatur 18 September 2020 18: 15
    +7
    Then to the "Valley of Roses". It was already a valley. There I learned that in order to get 1 gram of rose oil, you need to process a ton of rose petals. That is why it is so expensive.
    For 1000 grams of rose oil you need 4 kilograms of rose petals ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 18 September 2020 18: 44
      -15 qualifying.
      But now the Bulgarians think that they are Anglo-Saxons, this is their peculiarity! laughing
      1. BIABIA
        BIABIA 18 September 2020 19: 57
        14
        The government thinks them bought. They themselves treat Russians very well. In Burgas and Varna for sure. I was, I saw, I talked.
        1. Turist1996
          Turist1996 18 September 2020 20: 38
          +9
          Parents traveled in 2013: the local people treated Russians very well!
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            1. Turist1996
              Turist1996 18 September 2020 21: 01
              +6
              As people. Mom and Dad are the same age as the author, born in 1954. Both doctors, in the 13th year were already senior citizens: father - in surgery, mother - as a radiologist. And age itself.
              And you can imagine how rich pensioners in southern Siberia are ..
              Despite the fact that they worked all their life in the state. medicine ..
            2. Turist1996
              Turist1996 18 September 2020 21: 49
              0
              But about the DISPOSABILITY I agree completely!
              This is some kind of worldwide "frenzy" - everything is done on a "one-time basis" basis!
              ALL!!
        2. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 19 September 2020 07: 02
          +5
          After such a description of life in Bulgaria at that time, I am amazed at the indignation with which the Bulgarians treated Todor Zhivkov, who had not saved up anything for himself and died in poverty.
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 19 September 2020 11: 37
            +6
            Zhivkov is not a problem. And the party which betrayed the people. The Bulgarian communes are now an oligarch party. They wanted to beat the capitalists and steel! The country was bankrupted twice in 20 years. With the robbery, money was bought up and enterprises destroyed. Zhivkov said: "Socialism has nowhere to go ... A dead end in the economy. 1989 debt of 10 billion dollars ... And that's it! The communes of socialism pissed away and, of course, capitalism was not built like the west. They could only plunder the country ...
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 19 September 2020 14: 05
              0
              How familiar it is. Great memories of communicating with the Bulgarians in Mauritania, the crew of the refrigerator Slanchev Bryag. Every 22 days they were unloaded on them for six months, and they delivered fish across Africa. The TR was a Soviet-built type of Lyagin or Aivazovsky roofing felts. hi
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 19 September 2020 15: 52
              +2
              A dead end in economics. 1989 debt 10 billion dollars ... And that's it!

              And Ceausescu paid off his debt. And also "everything!" And "capitalism was not built like the West." Because this capitalism lives only by robbing someone, and they do not need competitors.
              1. Icelord
                Icelord 19 September 2020 16: 54
                -2
                Yes, what are you saying? And who are they robbing now?
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 19 September 2020 18: 38
                  +3
                  And how do they live now? Is it due to real production?
                  1. Icelord
                    Icelord 19 September 2020 18: 46
                    -2
                    Through research and high-tech development. And you still answer who exactly is being robbed?
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 19 September 2020 18: 48
                      +2
                      The whole world. Look who works in Seattle at Boeing - Indians, Russians, Europeans, Chinese, etc. Brain drain is called. Did not know?
                      1. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 18: 52
                        -1
                        This is because there is the only place where you can do science normally. My own sister is a microbiologist, her husband is a biochemist, and the children are not loaders, and somehow they are not going to change their citizenship to Russian, on the contrary, they changed Soviet to American.
                      2. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 18: 56
                        +1
                        If there will be such laboratories in Russia, India, and so on, there will be no leakage, but for now, the Nobel laureates from Russia who invented graphene, when asked whether they would return to Russia, answered how the conditions would be with joy, but for now there is simply nothing for scientists to do there
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 19 September 2020 19: 26
                        +4
                        And where did our similar laboratories go? The USA made sure that they were gone. My friends also rushed to Boeing in Seattle. True, Boeing is now in trouble, which is encouraging. The more problems they have, the more opportunities for revival we have. And the initial question from which the conversation began was whether the West lives with its own mind, or borrows, having previously destroyed the competitive national scientific centers. I think the question has cleared up.
                      4. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 19: 40
                        -4
                        Yes, it cleared up, the communist system ruined everything and died, now it will take a long time to recover, and the West ruined Soviet science))). The masters of the world are direct. You do not believe in omnipotent Masons by chance?
                      5. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 19 September 2020 19: 47
                        +3
                        For questions of faith, ask worshipers. And about the communist system - ask where Chubais's department bought turbines for the Bureyskaya hydroelectric power station. Let me remind you - to the DPRK. And the PRC regularly and gladly shoots out its separatists in Tibet, and also did not hesitate to wind its Maidan men (about a hundred) on tracks in Tiananmen Square. And what is the economy like now.
                      6. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 20: 00
                        -4
                        the economy in China is completely built by America, Europe and South Korea. And there is no communism there, my own nephew is married to a Chinese woman and I have been there, by the way, she comes from a family of functionaries and also studied, and now lives in the USA)))
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 19 September 2020 20: 29
      -3
      But capitalism to the west is alive, and socialism has been buried in the dustbin of history!
  2. 9 Shaft
    9 Shaft 20 September 2020 18: 00
    0
    The north and center of the country are "dead", the coastal zone survives due to tourism and everything that is necessary for this. They were not even allowed into the EU by labor force, they were draped on the floor legally. Swallowed, however.
  • pytar
    pytar 19 September 2020 13: 55
    -1
    After such a description of life in Bulgaria at that time, I am amazed at the indignation with which the Bulgarians treated Todor Zhivkov, who had not saved up anything for himself and died in poverty.

    Well, you know, the Bulgarians did not like the basically totalitarian regime brought from the outside! He never caught on, apparently it was not ours. By the way, Todor Zhivkov brought the country to bankruptcy 2 times during his reign!
  • pytar
    pytar 18 September 2020 21: 05
    15
    But now the Bulgarians think that they are Anglo-Saxons, this is their peculiarity!

    Evgeny, I'm Bulgarian! I know thousands of other Bulgarians, of all ages and social status! No one thinks he is Anglo-Saxon. Well, there is probably someone who thinks that he is Napoleon, but such are under supervision. bully Is it really unclear where you got this "information" ?! So - the "peculiarity" of the Bulgarians, that we consider ourselves ... Bulgarians! laughing
    1. Finches
      Finches 18 September 2020 21: 09
      -10 qualifying.
      ... lying under the Anglo-Saxons, being in the military anti-Slavic, anti-Russian military bloc NATO, singing along with the Russophobic policy of Brussels, regularly desecrating the burials of the Soviet wars and monuments to the soldiers who died on the Bulgarian soil ... Do not be offended - this is a fact, but the fact is the most stubborn thing in the world ! hi
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      2. pytar
        pytar 18 September 2020 22: 47
        +8
        ... lying under the Anglo-Saxons, being in the military anti-Slavic, anti-Russian military bloc NATO, singing along with the Russophobic policy of Brussels, regularly desecrating the burials of the Soviet wars and monuments to the soldiers who died on the Bulgarian soil ... Do not be offended - this is a fact, but the fact is the most stubborn thing in the world !

        Eugene, you have put up almost the entire list of strains that are being hammered into your heads by the media! laughing Do not be offended, but they are very far from reality! And reality is a stubborn vesch! As soon as a person meets her in person, the stamps break ... "lying under the Anglo-Saxons"I quote from my Russian friends who, walking in Bulgaria, told me more than once: You know, you somehow even breathe easier! And it's not so much because of the climate ... the spirit of freedom is in the air!
        Also, I would like to ask you, why are there so few Slavs in the "correct Slavic" bloc? Have you misguided something?
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 September 2020 07: 52
          +1
          This is all your everyday patriotism says, but in the event of a military conflict between any NATO country and Russia, Bulgaria will be forced to go to war with us - and those who breathe the air of freedom there will come by your own special services and be dragged to zugunder ... - and these are not cliches, but the harsh truth of today's reality! And Russia and without the right and wrong Slavs is Russia!
          "The deployment of the US military at a military base near the village of Novo in the eastern part of the country is part of Operation Atlantic Determination, which aims to show Moscow the US commitment to its allies. ", Bulgaria's Defense Ministry said.
          - this is probably also a stamp?
          I’m not talking about human relations at the everyday level - people are everywhere, I’m talking in general about the situation of peoples in the world arena, and today it is like this - Bulgaria lies under the Anglo-Saxons and fulfills all the wishes of Washington and Brussels! And I breathe many times easier in the Siberian taiga, in the skerries of Lake Ladoga and even on Nevsky Prospekt polluted with exhaust gases than on your Golden Beaches, where the traces of the protectors of the military boots of the American military are clearly visible! hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 19 September 2020 13: 50
            -4
            This is all your everyday patriotism says ...

            Let me show you how distorted your perception of the world is!
            but in the event of a military conflict between any NATO country and Russia, Bulgaria will be forced to go to war with us

            In the event of such a conflict, this is what happens ...

            Therefore, the ego will not exist. yes
            The deployment of US troops at a military base near the village of Novo in the eastern part of the country is part of Operation Atlantic Resolve, which aims to show Moscow the US commitment to its allies.

            Obyekt near Novo Selo is not a military base in the classical sense of the concept. This is a training ground, which is used jointly by the military of different countries. According to the agreement, Russia has the right to conduct inspections at all sites and the Russian military regularly visit them with unlimited access to the entire infrastructure!
            https://topnovini.bg/novini/642248-ruski-voenni-posetiha-poligona-novo-selo-kray-sliven
            Bulgaria lies under the Anglo-Saxons and fulfills all the wishes of Washington and Brussels!

            It is you who are looking at the world in a lying position. Your propaganda describes it as "getting up from your knees", but you are lying horizontally, the current of the priest has been raised! Get up already, take off your dark glasses, look at the world! He's not what you show him on TV!
            And I breathe much easier in the Siberian taiga, in the skerries of Lake Ladoga and even on Nevsky Prospekt polluted with exhaust gases than on your Golden Beaches

            Kolega Alexander, very accurately characterized your view of things -"you are looking at the whole world through the embrasure of your pillbox!" There is nothing to add! good
            ... on your Golden Beaches, where you can clearly see the marks of the protectors of the military tibia of the American military!

            Two weeks ago I returned from the sea, just from that place! Frankly, you have hallucinations! Probably from that remote place where you are is better seen than here ?! In so many years, the only American military I saw was their military attaché, a very young guy, probably no older than 25! So this was a meeting at which the US Department of Defense presented a program for gratuitous financing of civilian objects in Bulgaria - kindergartens, schools, nursing homes, etc.
            1. RomanovP
              RomanovP 19 September 2020 22: 50
              0
              I just cry with emotion for the compassionate US Defense Ministry and the Bulgarians grateful to him. You'd better take off your pink star-striped glasses in advance and decide which way you will run, tail tucked in next time. and conduct yourself accordingly. Ours, when they will aim at the advancing enemy, will not distinguish who is on the other side. And leave your fairy tales with you about friendly Bulgaria - we remember your exploits in all warriors in gratitude for liberation from the Turkish 500-year yoke.
              1. pytar
                pytar 19 September 2020 23: 34
                -3
                I am crying with emotion for the compassionate US Defense Ministry

                I'll give you a handkerchief ... Maybe a whole towel will be needed ??? crying
                Ours, when they will aim at the advancing enemy, will not distinguish who is on the other side.

                They will not distinguish, neither strangers nor their own! Quite recently, during the demonstration firing at the Army-2020 exhibition in Kubinka, the accuracy of the domestic guided missiles greatly let down. Not a single model was damaged.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=iXaIe1kYkX4&feature=emb_logo
                Literally two days ago, in preparation for the Kavkaz-2020 exercise, an BMP-2 ATGM accidentally knocked out its own T-90A tank. An incredible miracle and luck saved the crew!
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyF3LSakc0k&feature=emb_logo
                And leave your fairy tales with you about the friendly Бolgaria - we remember your exploits in all warriors in gratitude for the liberation from the Turkish 500-year yoke.

                You Romanov have nothing to do with these events. yes
              2. Icelord
                Icelord 20 September 2020 08: 08
                0
                Have you already decided to go to war against someone? In vain, the usual army of Russia is two orders of magnitude weaker than that of NATO, and what a nuclear war will lead to, you were shown by the post above
                1. pytar
                  pytar 20 September 2020 10: 43
                  -2
                  But for that, the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies of internal use have already caught up and will soon overtake the army! The equipment is already ahead! This clearly illustrates from whom the authorities are more afraid, from NATO or from their people!
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 22 September 2020 17: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    But for that, the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies of internal use have already caught up and will soon overtake the army!

                    The current Rosgvardia is just a pale shadow of the Internal Troops of the times of the decline of the USSR or the internal troops of the NKVD, with their tanks, aircraft and armored trains. smile
                    And the number of the RG is the grimace of the organizational structure of the National Guard, into which, together with the original "vovans", they crammed such a monster as the FSUE "Okhrana" with a staff of under one hundred thousand people (after all the mergers and acquisitions of other departmental security structures). Plus also riot police with SOBR.
        2. atalef
          atalef 19 September 2020 09: 02
          0
          Quote: pytar
          You know, you somehow even breathe easier! And it's not so much because of the climate ... the spirit of freedom is in the air!

          We discovered Bulgaria for ourselves absolutely by chance, as it was never a priority for the trip, but about 8 years ago, sitting as a company of 8 people thought, somewhere so unplanned to break for a week. Just after our new year, i.e. that year - End of october.
          Well, in general, Bulgaria suddenly surfaced in a strange way, well, in general, we immediately bought tickets and at random literally 3 days later we went to the town of Heisar - so water sources.
          / And ... we have fallen in love with Bulgaria and every year now we simply go there with the whole company in October - November.
          Fine people, delicious food, wonderful attitude - in short, a solid positive. Everyone already knows us in Kheisar (the town is not big) - they remember and wait.
          Bulgarians are wonderful people. Bulgaria is a beautiful country.
          In general, thanks for having it.

          Quote: Finches
          Don't be offended - this is a fact, but a fact is the most stubborn thing in the world!

          And the fact is, Eugene, that you are looking at the whole world through the embrasure of your pillbox, and people simply live for themselves, as they are best, and not as you would like.
          You know, if the comments had smells, yours would definitely smell like rotten oak.
          1. Finches
            Finches 19 September 2020 10: 15
            +1
            Better the smell of rotten but Russian oak than the stench of Anglo-Saxon roast beef unnatural for a Slav hi
            1. atalef
              atalef 19 September 2020 10: 41
              +3
              Quote: Finches
              Better the smell of rotten but Russian oak than the stench of Anglo-Saxon roast beef unnatural for a Slav hi

              someone is a mare's bride
              1. Finches
                Finches 19 September 2020 11: 00
                +3
                Someone and under the Anglo-Saxons "freedom"!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 19 September 2020 11: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Finches
                  Someone and under the Anglo-Saxons "freedom"!

                  I have been to many countries and somehow I got the impression that all those who kind of bend under the Anglo-Saxons are much freer than you.
                  You just have an inferiority complex coupled with envy rushing.
                  Excuse me. but it looks like that.
                2. kalibr
                  19 September 2020 19: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: Finches
                  Someone and under the Anglo-Saxons "freedom"!

                  And by the way, very good!
      3. Bagatur
        Bagatur 19 September 2020 20: 35
        0
        lying under the Anglo-Saxons, which are in the military anti-Slavic, anti-Russian military NATO bloc, Yeah, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Croatians, Slovenes .. they are Tatars, right? If the Slavs, it is necessary under Russia are otherwise th traitor Slavs? I do not know who said, wrote that all the Slavs should stand under the crush of Russia?
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 18 September 2020 21: 12
      +5
      laughing Indeed, what a "strangeness" - when a Bulgarians consider themselves a Bulgarian, and a Russian considers himself a Russian ?! Why don't they consider themselves "common man" ?!
      laughing wink
    3. pytar
      pytar 18 September 2020 21: 54
      +5
      I decided to put on a few videos about the impressions of Russians living in Bulgaria today. In general, we have quite a few Russians and, for example, I often communicate with them. The text here was written by a Russian person, who shared their impressions:
      Bulgaria is hard to explain. It is like a transfer station for a Russian person, between one life phase and another, between one worldview and another, an extra-class purgatory where you can very successfully exist and very comfortably live out your life (and you can die just as comfortably). There is in this strange country some kind of rastaman general relaxed, half-awake, half-asleep, half-fabulous existence at the edge of the universe, between the beds of tomatoes, when everything in life is already clear, all rubicons are passed and the tormented mind finds peace, lulled by the sound of the sea wave or intoxicated by the pure mountain air. Maybe this is some kind of a promised land, only for a Russian person? In any case, I do not know any other country, "where a person breathes so freely." Russian! You almost feel at home in Bulgaria.
      1. pytar
        pytar 18 September 2020 22: 11
        +1
        Girl from Ukraine:
        1. pytar
          pytar 18 September 2020 22: 12
          +1
          How the Russian-speaking residents of Bulgaria went to the Bulgarian school!

          The bottom line with 12.10 minutes of video.
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 September 2020 22: 13
            +4
            Love story, story of moving to Bulgaria!
            1. pytar
              pytar 18 September 2020 22: 14
              +1
              How Russian-speaking residents were looking for their place of residence in Bulgaria.
              1. pytar
                pytar 18 September 2020 22: 18
                +3
                How do Russian-speaking residents of Bulgaria spend their free time?
                1. pytar
                  pytar 18 September 2020 22: 24
                  +3
                  Why did I choose Bulgaria?
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 18 September 2020 22: 32
                    +3
                    Another story of the move of a Russian-speaking resident to Bulgaria!
                  2. Turist1996
                    Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 36
                    +8
                    Listen, friend, you are doing advertising directly! Wait a minute, my wife will look and say: "That's it, we're leaving for Bulgaria!"
                    And who will live and work in Siberia, eh? Did you think about it?! There is only one bear, or what ?! laughing
                  3. pytar
                    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 18
                    +6
                    Sometimes, you have to listen to your wife! Sometimes they say the right things! laughing
                    And Siberia is so huge that you can work there all your life, and still you can't do all the work! Current, you will wind up some illnesses! And when to live? Life is too short! bully
                  4. pytar
                    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 41
                    +5
                    We continue to show the opinion of ordinary Russian people who live in Bulgaria and have direct impressions with the country! good
                  5. pytar
                    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 44
                    +4
                    Why the CHIEF ACCOUNTANT from Moscow "RUNNED" to Bulgaria?
                  6. pytar
                    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 49
                    +3
                    MOVING TO BULGARIA 2019. The story of Natalia and Vyacheslav. - "I have visited many countries, but I only wanted to return to Bulgaria!"
                  7. pytar
                    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 53
                    +3
                    What is the attitude of Bulgarians towards Russian speakers?
              2. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 19 September 2020 09: 36
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                We continue to show the opinion of ordinary Russian people who live in Bulgaria and have direct impressions with the country!

                In 1976-77 he lived in Varna (residential complex "Chaika"). The impressions were the best. Today I looked at these places and was amazed at the neglect, some kind of shabby. Previously, beautiful flowers and bushes grew on the boulevard, which were illuminated by lanterns. Now there are some trampled lawns with tattered bushes and remnants of lanterns. And the inscription on the wall really surprised!
              3. pytar
                pytar 19 September 2020 14: 48
                0
                In 1976-77 he lived in Varna (residential complex "Chaika"). The impressions were the best. Today I looked at these places and was amazed at the neglect, some kind of shabby. Previously, beautiful flowers and bushes grew on the boulevard, which were illuminated by lanterns. Now there are some trampled lawns with tattered bushes and remnants of lanterns.

                Respected Lionnvrsk hi Kv.Chaika was built up in the 60s. I lived there for 3 years, a little later than you. If you really were there, you probably noticed that there is also a well-equipped infrastructure - tennis courts, parking lots, offices, kindergartens, etc.


                There are a lot of Russians living in Varna, where Russian speech can be heard in all seasons. The city is developing, although the level of livability deviates from our second large Black Sea city - Burgas.





                Your photo, probably taken in late autumn. In the spring and summer, everything is in lush colors!
                Like even the best cities in the world, you can get to places that are not so well-groomed. This is a post / e-mail /.

                And the inscription depicts a famous ancient Bulgarian symbol IYI Found along the fortress walls and tiles of early medieval Pliska, Preslav, Silistra, Ravna, Byala, etc. The ego is on dishes, rings, amulets, weapons, rocks, statues, ritual bread, and in heraldics.

                Here the so-called. "rosetta from Pliska" (The first capital of Bulgaria, 7th century)


                And here bread from the present Smolyan is ritual.


                By the way, it comes from the ancient Thracians, as it is found with them, 7 thousand. years ago. Symbolizes Supreme divine power. This is actually the oldest symbol in our land.

                Here is an illustration from a clay idol from Neolithic Thrace - a human figure between two columns, which are simplified images of animals.


                The meaning is:

                Man is the ruler, the predator is defeated (then the lion met on our lands) and is no longer dominant, but subject to man. hi
              4. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 20 September 2020 11: 26
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                If you were really there,

                Was. He lived in this apartment block 50 entrance G


                Quote: pytar
                probably noticed that there is also a well-equipped infrastructure - tennis courts, parking lots, offices, kindergartens, etc.

                In my opinion, it used to be much more beautiful, spacious and well-groomed (I'm talking about a specific area where I lived). Yuri Gagarin stadium was beautiful, but now it is some kind of abandoned construction site.


                I am generally silent about the monument. Would have already demolished something.


                Quote: pytar
                In the spring and summer, everything is in lush colors!

                Well, yes, yes ... Here is a summer photo of the same place. Ragged yucca with a "beautiful" bench.


                Quote: pytar
                And the inscription depicts a famous ancient Bulgarian symbol

                It is clear, otherwise I thought it was a sinful thing that this is a continuation - "Deutschland über alles", "Ukraine is a mustache" repeat
              5. pytar
                pytar 20 September 2020 12: 40
                -1
                Was. He lived in this apartment block 50 entrance G

                I know this area, I lived in a multi-storey "Chinese wall" nearby! This is how your block 50 looks like.




                In my opinion, it used to be much more beautiful, spacious and well-groomed (I'm talking about a specific area where I lived).

                Perhaps, but in general Varna has become much, much more beautiful! They do not have time, step by step they improve the cities.

                It is clear, otherwise I thought it was a sinful thing that this is a continuation - "Deutschland über alles", "Ukraine is a mustache"

                There is nothing in common. IYI the symbol of the Proto-Bulgarian clan Dulo, from which the founder of our state, Kanas Asparukh, comes. One of the most common symbols in Bulgaria. It is everywhere, you can see it on souvenirs on the counters.

              6. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 20 September 2020 19: 35
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                I lived in a multi-storey "Chinese wall" near

                In this "wall of China" lived a pretty momichene Ani, with whom we had two years of mutual sympathy. Eh. youth!
              7. pytar
                pytar 20 September 2020 19: 55
                0
                Good memories! good I remembered how one afternoon went out to the terrace! Watching a neighbor leaning on the railing with a cup of coffee in hand! His phone must have rang, he left the coffee and entered the apartment! At that moment, a seagull flew in and, taking a cup from its beak, flew to the roof all the way down! Surprisingly, she didn't spill coffee, but started "drinking" with it !!! The neighbor came out, couldn't find the cup and started looking at me suspiciously! I could hardly resist so as not to explode into wild laughter! After a pause for a few seconds under the reproachful glance of a neighbor, I showed him where the coffee is! He went nuts, then we laughed together! laughing In general, in seaside towns and villages, it is recommended not to wash bright clothes on terraces and do not leave things unattended! Seagulls there are fetish perverts! wassat
  • pytar
    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 29
    +5
    This woman persuaded her husband! wink
  • pytar
    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 33
    +4
    Our story of moving to Bulgaria.
  • pytar
    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 36
    +5
    Here is another woman who, despite her husband's initial skepticism, persuaded him to move to Bulgaria ...
  • pytar
    pytar 19 September 2020 00: 57
    +3
    Why did we choose Bulgaria? - Because of my wife.
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 19 September 2020 20: 38
    0
    Prokleta Bulgaria ... More than 300 came to us. Strangely I don't know a Bulgarian Russophile with real estate in Russia ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 September 2020 14: 09
    0
    Be healthy Peter. It is not the people but the government that is to blame. In childhood and the Black Sea was wetter and the trees were higher and the sky was bluer. hi
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 September 2020 15: 46
      +1
      Be healthy Peter. It is not the people but the government that is to blame. In childhood and the Black Sea was wetter and the trees were higher and the sky was bluer.

      Thank! Be healthy and you Andrey! good Governments come and go, but peoples remain!
      The highest art of life, it is to keep inside the child! And then, at any rate, the Black Sea will remain wetter and the trees are higher and the sky is bluer! drinks
      1. kalibr
        19 September 2020 18: 50
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        The highest art of life, it is to keep inside the child! And then, at any rate, the Black Sea will remain wetter and the trees are higher and the sky is bluer!

        Well said, friend!
        1. pytar
          pytar 19 September 2020 19: 05
          0
          Thank you, dear Vyacheslav Shpakovsky, for the post! hi She returned even less to these distant times! Let me note this fact: For us and you, during socialism, it was much more difficult to visit each other than it is now! I am including the current quarantine period, it is temporary. For some reason, the socialist states, in which "freedom and justice" allegedly reigned, were fenced off with barbed wire, minefields and machine gunners! Moreover, not only to the capitalist, enemy states, but also inside the socialist lagel! Probably because it was one huge forced detention camp, made up of smaller ones! I hope you will write more articles on the topic! I am always interested to know how my country looked from the side of a Russian / Soviet person! I am writing "Russian", not "foreigner", since we still DO NOT consider Russians as strangers!
          1. kalibr
            19 September 2020 19: 26
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            but also inside the socialist! Probably because it was one huge forced detention camp, made up of smaller ones!

            Hungarians say about this that we were the funniest squad in this camp, and you, Bulgarians, the most welcoming! I was in your country only once, in 1968, when I was 14 years old, but I still have the most pleasant memories of it. And about her and about her people. Unfortunately, now I cannot go to you to rest. Now for me rest is connected with work, so my name is the museums of Berlin, Vienna, Paris, Venice, the castles of the Loire Valley and the Qatari fortresses. But Bulgaria will forever remain in my soul a little miracle of my childhood!
          2. Icelord
            Icelord 19 September 2020 20: 27
            0
            Namely, that a huge camp, and therefore it is wild to me that there are people who want to return it. This twist of the psyche when everyone is up to their ears in waste, and you are at least two fingers taller, more preferable than a normal life, but without the ability to trample down below it is very depressing
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 September 2020 21: 45
              -1
              Such a psyche, such a perverted perception, was not cultivated in a day ...
  • major147
    major147 18 September 2020 19: 41
    13
    Quote: bagatura
    1 gram rose oil

    In the early 80s, my mother traveled with a group of colleagues to Bulgaria (Pleven, Sofia). They were assigned to live with the families of their Bulgarian colleagues. Mom had very fond memories of the trip, and mother corresponded with the Bulgarian family for a long time, sent some gifts.
    Before leaving for the rest of the change, my mother bought rose oil in small transparent vials. I would take such a bottle and go out in the evening to "get-togethers" with the girls, show them the foreign product in all its glory. He gave it a sniff of the cork, smeared it on a running dog, but the girls did not give it as they did not ask! Teasing them! The fool was 22 years old ...
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 18 September 2020 18: 27
    20
    Mr. Shpakovsky, in our Sverdlovsk region, "in the area", there was a Metallurg dispensary (according to a specialized plant). 1986 (there is now neither a plant nor a dispensary) came here from all over the "fraternal people", and all were delighted, without "cola" and other "muini" ... just from a clean river and common people, we have a garden next to us, so we just brought plums, cherries, apples to the children with buckets ... and the Pioneer Bonfire, at the end season, I gathered not only children, but also gardeners from all over the area, and we sang songs, ate baked potatoes, and generally had fun until morning, parted like family, and there were Czechs and Hungarians and Poles and no one was a stranger in this vinaigrette. something like this ... without your bourgeois troubles.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 18 September 2020 18: 35
      20
      "Tahiti, Tahiti ... We have not been to any Tahiti, we are well fed here."
      I haven’t been to Bulgaria either, and I haven’t been in the Crimea either. And there are no less pleasant memories from the pioneer camp "Lesnaya Polyana" and then from the factory dispensary "Mashinostroitel".
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 September 2020 19: 28
        +9
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        "Tahiti, Tahiti ... We have not been to any Tahiti, we are well fed here."

        yes good
        And there is also a cartoon from 1953:
      2. cost
        cost 18 September 2020 21: 09
        +3
        good country Bulgaria
        And Russia is the best (c)
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 September 2020 13: 58
        0
        Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
        I haven’t been to Bulgaria either, but I haven’t been to Crimea either.

        Believe it is wonderful in Crimea! Pearl of Russia! And there are a great many people who have moved to live in Sevastopol and Crimea.
        Unique relict pines of Stankevich!
        Cape Aya in translation from the Turkic Holy. According to legend, there was a Taurus sanctuary here.
        Balaklava. Genoese fortress of Chembalo.
        1. kalibr
          19 September 2020 18: 49
          +1
          Yuri, I traveled all over Crimea since 1962 from end to end. Gurzuf, Yalta, Bakhchisarai, Feodosia, Sevastopol, Balaklava, Alupka. He was inside the Vorontsov Palace and in the park with it, and in the palace of Bakhchisarai, and in some caves and monasteries, in the gun towers of a battery near Sevastopol, a diorama and a panorama, and in the museum of the fort of its bay, and at the base of submarines in that Balaklava, in the Genoese fortresses and in the Aivazovsky museum, in a word, it's easier to say where you have not been ...
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 19 September 2020 21: 03
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            it's easier to say where you've never been ...

            Sevastopol is different today .. renewed. Here is the restored Matrossky Boulevard.
            Boy with a boat. Now bronze. The boys ran to look at goldfish and made boats, dreamed of the sea !.
            Fight of brig Mercury with Turkish ships of the line. Commander of the brig Mercury Lieutenant Captain Kazarsky. Perpetuated in bronze.
            Monument to the inventor of radio A.S. Popov.
            This monument is the very first one that was erected in the city of Sevastopol. He immortalized the feat of the brave team of the brig "Mercury", headed by their commander - Lieutenant-Commander A.I. Kazarsky (1799 - 1833).
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 19 September 2020 21: 52
              -3
              Why did Popov suddenly become the inventor of radio? No, he was a good scientist, of course, but radio did not invent
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 20 September 2020 09: 58
                0
                commemorative sign "In honor of the 100th anniversary of the 100th anniversary of the invention of radio by A.S. Popov." In 1899, in Sevastopol, he conducted experiments to "establish regular communication between ships."
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 21 September 2020 09: 35
                  -1
                  Read the first lecture on radio, which Popov gave on May 7, 1895. On repeating Lodge's electromagnetic experiments. That is, Alexander Stepanovich Popov himself did not consider himself an inventor of radio
                2. Icelord
                  Icelord 24 September 2020 14: 00
                  +1
                  Cons is mental, but in fact to answer?
    2. kalibr
      18 September 2020 19: 11
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: Dead Day
      just from a clean river and common people
      Who is the mare's bride!
      1. nnm
        nnm 18 September 2020 23: 28
        +3
        And what's wrong with the fact that a person sees beauty in what surrounds him? It's the same as with a mirror ... someone wants to see the sunset over Lake Baikal and someone sees it, and someone, sitting head over heels in the sewage of Harlem, will broadcast about the smell of freedom.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 19 September 2020 05: 57
          -1
          In the coffin I saw the wilderness, the river, sunsets, sunrises, but nowhere to go. Have you personally been to New York? I don't think so, it's very clean there
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 18 September 2020 23: 04
      +5
      And whiskey 25 years old generally sucks - moonshine inserts faster! ))
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 18 September 2020 18: 28
    +5
    A glass of water cost 2 stotinki, our 2 kopecks were the same size. Conveniently)))
    1. major147
      major147 18 September 2020 19: 45
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      A glass of water cost 2 stotinki, our 2 kopecks were the same size. Conveniently)))

      "Leningradskoe" ice cream also cost 22 kopecks.
    2. Avior
      Avior 18 September 2020 22: 16
      +2
      Were you 2 kopecks? 1, 3, 5, 10, 15 ....
      1 without syrup, 3 with syrup in the vending machine ...
      1. Alexy
        Alexy 19 September 2020 05: 05
        +2
        Were - they called in payphones for 2 kopecks
        1. Avior
          Avior 19 September 2020 07: 45
          +1
          Exactly, they were, the memory does not hold, it turns out
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 19 September 2020 09: 32
        +1
        2 kopecks were. There was no 2x ruble banknote. And the row of coins was - 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 50.
        1. Avior
          Avior 19 September 2020 09: 33
          +1
          15 wasn't it? Is the long distance telephone a pay machine?
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 19 September 2020 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Pavel57
          And the row of coins was - 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 50.

          Moreover, "copper" coins of up to 5 kopecks inclusive could be used as weights-weights. The denomination of the coin was equal to the weight in grams of 1 kopeck -1 gram, etc. Yes and
          Quote: Avior
          15 wasn't it? Is the long distance telephone a pay machine?

          there were 15 teakopeek coins, even commemorative coins.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 18 September 2020 18: 29
    11
    clay coffee service in national style, painted wildly and brightly,


    Maybe it’s?
    1. kalibr
      18 September 2020 19: 10
      +5
      If not exactly the same, then it is very similar, it still stands before our eyes!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2020 18: 46
    13
    Bulgaria in the summer of 1968. Memories of a Soviet schoolboy
    In order for a Soviet schoolchild, and even in 1968, to get to Bulgaria, it was necessary, well, oh, really try! bully His parents. hi
    1. kalibr
      18 September 2020 19: 09
      +3
      The voucher cost 156 rubles, that for an adult, that for a child, for an adult, they changed 100 rubles. and only 50 per child. And this is without a road to Moscow.
    2. Alexy
      Alexy 19 September 2020 04: 38
      +5
      Well, the author is not an ordinary Soviet schoolboy. Not everyone studied at special schools. Let's put it this way: the golden youth of the 60s
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 September 2020 19: 04
    +4
    I didn’t read the article on purpose, but after looking at the headline, I immediately ditched in the comments to check myself.
    BUT, who the author is - I don't know yet.
    We bet: Shpakovsky! AND?
  • Van 16
    Van 16 18 September 2020 19: 07
    +6
    "And then we saw a kiosk selling Coca-Cola and orangeade, bought both, drank and ... finally got stuck. I didn't drink anything tastier, it seemed to me then."
    Here I really want to comment on the phrase from "What Men Talk About" - "Well, you, in general, compared that Fanta and this one." smile
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 18 September 2020 19: 09
    +3
    A bottle under a tree? Most likely regular soaked paper. The appearance depends on the hands of the manufacturer.
  • Icelord
    Icelord 18 September 2020 19: 12
    +6
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Very informative
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 September 2020 19: 19
    +3
    You can almost always recognize Evgeny Damantsev and Kirill Ryabov by the title of the article. Sometimes Ilya Polonsky - he publishes less often.
    But the topic of the fleet, especially armored ships, is not so recognizable. Although the authors are much more meticulous and the articles are a pleasure to read! Andrey from Chelyabinsk set a serious level!
    Andrey, thank you very much for initiating such an interesting historical topic - it is very interesting to read your articles (in fact, very interesting). And thanks to you, the authors who also picked up the topic have perked up.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 18 September 2020 19: 30
    10
    As for the Bulgarian wines .. In our youth, Bear's Blood was very popular in our company. They called among themselves "The blood of an unkilled bear"))
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2020 19: 41
    10
    Quote: kalibr
    The voucher cost 156 rubles, that for an adult, that for a child, for an adult, they changed 100 rubles. and only 50 per child. And this is without a road to Moscow.

    Yeah, did you buy tickets to the travel agency? laughing
    1. kalibr
      18 September 2020 19: 42
      +6
      No. in the Regional Council of Trade Unions. There was no travel agency then. There was "Sputnik" for young people and Oblsofprof.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 September 2020 19: 53
    +7
    I guessed about the author.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, based on the date of your trip to Bulgaria (1968) and the fact that your mother allowed you to drink wine on the trip, I conclude that at that time you were about 15-16 years old .. That is, where are you- then 1953-1954 year of birth (I take "plus or minus" year) - the same age as my parents. Why do you have such a negative attitude towards the Soviet Union ?!
    I don't see any reason for dissatisfaction in your personal stories. I see only externally induced discontent .. And the lack of critical analysis.
    1. nnm
      nnm 18 September 2020 20: 48
      +6
      Excuse me, but what did you see the negative in? I've seen nostalgia, on the contrary.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 18 September 2020 21: 55
        +1
        In this article, yes! Exceptionally nostalgia!
    2. kalibr
      18 September 2020 21: 35
      +7
      Quote: Turist1996
      And the lack of critical analysis.

      A critical analysis in childhood memories is nonsense!
    3. kalibr
      18 September 2020 21: 40
      +3
      Quote: Turist1996
      That is, you were born somewhere in 1953-1954 (I take "plus or minus" year) - the same age as my parents. Why do you have such a negative attitude towards the Soviet Union ?!

      1954th! And where does the negative come from? Have you worked in any archive of the OK, RK, or the Central Committee of the CPSU or the Komsomol? Did you write dissertations on party leadership? Did you read lectures to the people about how the West is rotting? No! And I read, wrote, and fought ... And it turned out that all this is a lie and deceit for simpletons, and I also fell for this bait. And I do not like when they deceive me, and those who deceive. I believe that they are due for moral damage. Well, here I am making up for it. I am writing the truth about how it was. I can also write that teeth with pulpitis were drilled without anesthesia. Have you tried this? I highly recommend for learning all the delights of the "collective farm".
      1. nnm
        nnm 18 September 2020 21: 58
        +5
        Hmm ... for the first time I hear about this in the USSR. But I wonder how in the USA they drill teeth for a person who has lost insurance? But honestly, this is the first time I've heard of this. But it cannot be that it is the patient who, when he was told that there is no anesthesia, persuaded the doctor to drill, and that he will tolerate?
        I believe that they are due for moral damage. Well, here I am making up for it.

        I wonder who it is? Something is not visible around the ideology instructors and regional committee secretaries!
        Perhaps this is overcompensation?
        Believe me, I am not writing this out of a desire to pry. Sincerely.
        1. kalibr
          18 September 2020 22: 01
          +2
          Quote: nnm
          But it cannot be that it is the patient who, when he was told that there is no anesthesia, persuaded the doctor to drill, and that he will tolerate?

          It was like that for me, even in a graduate clinic in Kuibyshev. "Not allowed! With an injection only removal. Be patient!"
          1. nnm
            nnm 18 September 2020 22: 04
            +2
            I'm not saying that this was not the case. He only said that he himself had never encountered such a thing during the Soviet era, that he had never heard from any of his relatives or relatives.
            But God is with these teeth, but tell me, please, in relation to whom are you now "filling"?
            1. kalibr
              18 September 2020 22: 15
              +4
              The past, it is near, always ...
              1. nnm
                nnm 18 September 2020 22: 20
                +6
                That is, after all, this is exactly overcompensation. But is there any point in fighting the past now, when it cannot provide an answer?
                Yes, perhaps you like what is happening in the country now more than during the Soviet era, but do you think when my mother left that inscription on the postcard, she had a negative attitude towards that country, and not a desire to make it better? And excuse me if I am writing too much, but it seems to me that our generation became themselves only thanks to that country, and therefore it is not right to spit on our common past.
                1. Turist1996
                  Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 52
                  +1
                  I do not understand, sorry ..
                  That is, the thought is this: the history of your country should not "spit" its citizens in any case - whatever it is, but this is history, and you need to know, study and draw conclusions!
                  So?
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 18 September 2020 22: 55
                    +2
                    Absolutely right. History must be accepted. You can learn from the mistakes of our ancestors, but we did not live in their time and in their conditions, therefore it is not for us to condemn them. If only because we live on what they created and left to us.
                    1. Turist1996
                      Turist1996 18 September 2020 23: 05
                      +3
                      Well it is clear. When I found out, talked to my grandmother (she lived until my sane years), who and how my grandfathers and great-grandfathers are - I understood why I am like that! laughing
                      And there are such dashing guys and "tears" nafig! Just a fierce scribe!
                    2. Icelord
                      Icelord 19 September 2020 06: 05
                      -2
                      Well, as anyone, of course, but you can drive me back to the Soviet Union at gunpoint. And then hardly
                2. kalibr
                  19 September 2020 12: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: nnm
                  therefore, it is not right to spit on our common past.

                  Where do you see the spitting?
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 00: 17
                -2
                Yeah, all children's grievances and complexes have grown into adults. laughing All your "truth" is an inadequate view of the past of an elderly offended child.
                1. kalibr
                  19 September 2020 12: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  inadequate look

                  My inadequate view, however, is confirmed by many documents from the archive and newspaper materials. And your adequate, which confirms?
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 12: 49
                    0
                    Am I arguing that you are an artist with us and "so you see"? But looking at the facts through the prism of their grievances and complexes is by no means scientific. And you have it almost in every article. Well, perhaps some ancient Greeks did not inflict any offense on citizen Shpakovsky. And then it would be necessary to carefully look, search.
                    1. kalibr
                      19 September 2020 13: 44
                      +1
                      Makar, I seem to have asked you, and what confirms your adequate view? Decent to first answer the question asked, and then ask your own. This is taught in school ... Or is it because in the end he may be even more inadequate than mine?
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 18: 20
                        +2
                        My adequate confirms that yours is inadequate. laughing For me, in principle, the fact that the growth of productive forces changes production relations is enough to understand that all your anti-Sovietism is not worth a damn.
                      2. kalibr
                        19 September 2020 18: 27
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        My adequate confirms that yours is inadequate. For me, in principle, the fact that the growth of productive forces changes production relations is enough to understand that all your anti-Sovietism is not worth a damn

                        Well, yes, honey, and the 91st was brought to us by the Martians! And no growth of your productive forces helped the business. So it’s not adequate, it’s not me, but you! It's easy to be a teacher, it's hard to get to the bottom of the truth.
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 18: 46
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Well, yes, honey, and the 91st was brought to us by the Martians!

                        No, not Martians. And people like you, who think too much of themselves, but couldn't fucking move forward the economy and society. But what is most interesting, having screwed up, you still think you are visionaries. Pathetic, greedy and secondary squalid imitators.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And no growth of your productive forces helped the business.

                        Because he was none. By your efforts.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        It's easy to be a teacher, it's hard to get to the bottom of the truth.

                        What you actually demonstrate in your life path. Nichrome not understanding anything at the beginning of the path and likewise not understanding nichrome at the end.
                      4. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 19: 28
                        -1
                        If you are so teachable, mister communist, then do not get personal, and be kind
                      5. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 20: 35
                        -1
                        Well, of course, can the Communists be nice, minus him! ((((
                      6. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 20: 54
                        -1
                        I don’t understand minusers, well, okay, the main thing is that the person felt better (((
                      7. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 21: 59
                        0
                        Are you hysterical or what? Have a sedative and don't litter with comments.
                      8. Icelord
                        Icelord 19 September 2020 22: 01
                        -1
                        Here rudeness is all yours, and I am a very calm person, I even had a call sign ice
                      9. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 22: 10
                        0
                        If calm, so calm down. laughing
                      10. Icelord
                        Icelord 20 September 2020 07: 45
                        -1
                        I calmly calm the boor
            2. kalibr
              19 September 2020 22: 10
              -1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              By your efforts.

              By my efforts, in 1987, a book was written out of everything at hand "with a circulation of 87000 and sold out in two weeks. The price is 1 ruble. That is, I earned 87 for my Motherland in two weeks, since the cost of books was a penny. And what fee I was paid ? Well, at least 000 kopecks from a ruble. Decent, after all, now they pay 10% of the book. But they gave 12 rubles. Uniform robbery. Then there were other similar books ... the circulation was more than 2870 thousand, but the fees were more than 100000- 3 thousand did not rise. But the workers were given 4 salaries and bonuses, say, for refrigerators, which, if they were released on Monday and at the end of the month, people tried not to buy. So with my own efforts, in addition to my main job, I still fed a bunch of drunks, but still it was not enough to divide everyone. And as for my TV programs it will be necessary to write separately somehow - this is another indicator of the efficiency of the economy of our "scoop."
            3. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 22: 27
              +1
              Actually, that's what I was talking about. You cannot look at facts objectively. Look how resentment stuck in you. Remember to the penny that you were not paid extra 30 years ago. smile
            4. kalibr
              20 September 2020 07: 38
              -1
              This is not an offense, Makar, but a sense of justice. There was a slogan that we are building a society of social justice, where there is no exploitation of man by man. But it turns out that she was. Only smart people were exploited ... mediocrity. And you know, I agree to be exploited ... Chubais or Soros - smart people can learn from them. But not Uncle Vasya Pukin from the next street, who lives collecting garbage for vodka. I don’t agree to pay him extra from my fees for anything.
            5. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 September 2020 10: 57
              +1
              Yes, you have not had any sense of justice for a long time. And there is a banal all-consuming greed. You are talking about slogans, but then a lot did not work out. And for quite objective reasons. Why, take at least you. After all, you do not understand nichrome what Marx spoke about a hundred and fifty years ago, and not such a stupid person and not engaged in hard physical labor. What, then, to demand from others? With regards to mediocrity. Besides being rotten arrogance and cheap snobbery, have you yourself not exploited other people's work? And how many of them were there? And are people really to blame for the fact that the environment makes them so? As a historian, you should understand this especially well. But somehow this is not visible. Don't say anything about Chubais at all. This fabulous miracle knows how to turn everything that it undertakes into exceptional shit and sinecure. Even initially crappy projects. However, they say that he has good organizational talents. But what's the point if the output is shit. You say you are not ready to pay extra for the alcoholic Vasya Pupkin. Are you ready for teacher Marya Ivanovna who has been teaching children for a pittance all her life? And after all, nichrome has not changed, as the teachers received a penny in the mass and they get it. And so as much as 20 million of the middle class for 17 thousand rubles. Don't you find so many loafers strange?
            6. kalibr
              20 September 2020 11: 33
              -2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Don't you find so many loafers strange?

              80% of people are mediocre for various reasons, which is proven by Pareto's law, so it doesn't surprise me. They simply cannot ... but this is not a reason for the remaining 20% ​​to fiddle with them for a pittance!
            7. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 September 2020 11: 43
              +1
              Can you hear me at all? Or are you so obsessed with yourself that it is useless for you to try to convey your look? What does Pareto have to do with it? If tomorrow, when the economic crisis enters a very difficult phase, instead of fees, they show you a fig and advise you to hold on, will it be Pareto's fault? It’s not about talents, but about decent fair pay for human labor.
            8. kalibr
              20 September 2020 11: 59
              -2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              It’s not about talents, but about decent fair pay for human labor.

              And I mean that she was not in the USSR. But what are you trying to prove to me? That she was or that the USSR did not collapse in 1991? Nobody will believe you in either one or the other! Because if she were, people would hold on to him with both hands and feet!
            9. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 20 September 2020 12: 27
              +2
              I mean that your criticism is extremely subjective. I remember very well all the shortcomings of the USSR. And I absolutely do not want to return to them. But the current road is a disaster in the future.
        2. fighter angel
          fighter angel 24 September 2020 14: 35
          -1
          So you don't give a damn about the people around you? The same 80%?

          "They simply cannot ... but this is not a reason for the remaining 20% ​​to fiddle with them for a pittance! ..."
          Wow, how did you speak!
          At this point, excuse me, but it starts to stink of the theory of superiority when you consider yourself to be the "highest race", and - the rest, according to the rule of this very Paret.
          This is social racism, fascism, if you will.
          You have disappointed me personally, for quite some time, but after all this, you said above, I am convinced how a person can be deceitful and two-faced.
          It turns out that we did not know you from this side.
          And you think about people like that!
          Interestingly, and the audience of VO, do you count all of us as?
          20% or 80%?
          Are you on us too "for a pittance" or are we also "selected 20% like you"?
          It's a shame that a person with such brains, it turns out, excuse me, for being direct, is completely rotten inside!
          And it's not even a matter of the country's social system, not at all!
          Though feudalism, even socialism, even capitalism, an abomination was and will remain an abomination.
          Yes, and more.
          Vyacheslav, personally, I don't need to be bothered more for a pittance.
          Don't bother yourself.
          Your articles for me personally are now "past the box office" ...
          No longer in your audience.
    4. fighter angel
      fighter angel 24 September 2020 13: 59
      -1
      Vyacheslav
      This is the very thing: "a sense of justice. There was a slogan that we are building a society of social justice, where there is no exploitation of man by man. But it turns out that it was. Only smart people were exploited ... mediocrity. And you know, I agree that I exploited ... Chubais or Soros - smart people can learn from them. But not Uncle Vasya Pukin from the next street ... "
      - this is a complete anthology of betrayal, and with an attempt to justify.
    5. Icelord
      Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 08
      -1
      Well, if anyone does, I am not Russian, and not a citizen of Russia. But it is better to let an intelligent person rob me than bast shoes. Not so offensive. Yes, and the clever will not take the last, who then milk?
    6. fighter angel
      fighter angel 28 September 2020 16: 19
      -1
      It's good that now is not 1941-42, otherwise you would have endured bread / salt for the Hans and bowed to the belt, right?
      "Liberators" have come to you, haven't they?
      The Aryans, they are "smarter" than their own, - they are the "superior race"!
      Better if they "rob" than their own, isn't it? And not so offensive ...
      Where do such moral degenerates come from?
      And after all, both you and Vyacheslav have enough conscience, here to write all this rotten rubbish, and admit your venality! As if this is already in the order of things!
      Disgusting and disgusting, culturally speaking.
    7. Icelord
      Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 30
      +1
      To whom, to sell whom, my dad is Pole and my mother is German? )))
    8. fighter angel
      fighter angel 28 September 2020 16: 47
      -1
      It seems like an adult, but you hide behind your parents. Not ashamed?
    9. Icelord
      Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 50
      0
      I myself, as befits a nobleman, lieutenant colonel of the reserve. And who is my friend who is the enemy I know.
  • Icelord
    Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 48
    0
    And my grandfather, a career officer, like everyone else in my family, died in 1941 during the defense of Sevastopol. Due to betrayal, incompetence, total genocide of the communists
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 28 September 2020 16: 55
    -1
    Said everything? Did you remember everyone?
    Well then, that's it, the conversation with you is over.
    I've already heard about the gentry, and about the exemplary outpost, and about the sister in the states, and about the unexpected transition to business ...
    Go cool down, ice-ice-baby.
    And as you cool down, go look for free ears.
    This time I ended the conversation with you.
    You are free!
  • Icelord
    Icelord 28 September 2020 17: 07
    -1
    As it is familiar, the communist means boor, you are probably a janitor, right? So get mad. Yes, and you are probably a little old, or vice versa, already dementia. Alas
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 29 September 2020 08: 22
    0
    With such as you are corrupt traitors, defectors, liberal suit, the conversation can only be like this.
    Thank you, tell me that they are talking to you at all.
    You're an inhabitant of a garbage can, right?
  • Icelord
    Icelord 29 September 2020 08: 42
    -1
    but how to say, if a government official, the owner of a plant and two factories, a military pensioner lives in a trash heap, then he probably needs to be treated. Although you need to see a doctor for sure. It’s necessary, I’m a traitor, a defector, but I seem to have fought with the communists all my life))). You come to us with agitation for the return of the territories of the Soviet Union, I will see how you will be called in court)))
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 29 September 2020 08: 52
    0
    Go away, sick one!
    You are told, you are free!
    Slap yourself past, "oligarch" trash, "fighter" against communism ...
  • Icelord
    Icelord 29 September 2020 08: 56
    -1
    Oh thank you benefactor))). I'm really free. And also wealthy, with a successful career, and not a fool. But you have everything the other way around, that's why hysteria
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 29 September 2020 13: 29
    0
    tryndet is not to roll bags.
    Already a plant and two factories. At first there was a factory, then there were two factories, and now it turns out - a factory and two factories. You go and hang noodles in the mirror who you see in the mirror.
    You are a liar.
    If only he was lying according to legend, but every time the option is new.
    Slam your air intake, tired of worse bitter radish.
    Get out of here - your colleague bottle collectors are waiting for you.
    Do not forget to buy hawthorn in the pharmacy for them!
    "Oligarch" unfinished!
  • Icelord
    Icelord 29 September 2020 13: 37
    0
    It's nice to follow my comments. It's a pity they missed it when I wrote that my father had recently died and I had to sell half to share it with my sister.
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 29 September 2020 13: 52
    0
    Watching, watching ... And you do not have illusions.
    There is nothing "pleasant" about this for you. Trust me.
    There were recently such "friends" as "kiril do-kiryusha", "tesser", "cherry nine", "octopus" ... and some others ... Yes, you may know them ...
    But then the guys showed off - and got into the ban ...
    So, you, your gentry, do not talk about it.
    I'm not scaring you, just warning you.
    You are rightly afraid of the union - the kabzdets will immediately come to you in it.
    And about its irrevocability, who knows for sure ...
  • Icelord
    Icelord 29 September 2020 14: 14
    -1
    It is understandable for informers by the Union and raised, but it is pointless to discuss with them about immorality, but to scare me that the Union, that the ban is meaningless, and not such and not so scared. After all, a person has nothing to do with a list of enemies, I would describe it, but they really will be banned. Okay, you tired me, and it's my birthday today, so Pokedova
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 29 September 2020 15: 53
    0
    He raised him badly, since such venal skins as you remain.
    For the stupid I repeat once again: no one scares you, they just warn you.
    And who is this about immorality here talking to us?
    The one who gathered from the Chubais Soros to learn something?
    Not only is he a liar, but also two-faced ...
    How do business partners generally work with you?
    I would love to include you and your entire organization on the "black list".
    So that there are no such moral monsters close to us.
    We don't need such "partners" for nothing ...
    About the list of enemies - are you talking to me? You, who writes above: "And who is my friend who I know the enemy." ???
    Are you all right with your logical thinking?
    Wali already, and get down to business, "tired" ...
  • Icelord
    Icelord 29 September 2020 17: 31
    0
    the warning scares the hedgehog with his bare butt))) good, you were warned beforehand.
    PS thank you, have fun, a gift for your birthday
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 30 September 2020 08: 14
    0
    Fun for no reason is a sign of foolishness.
    The one who has fun last, but not the last time, has good fun ...
  • kalibr
    19 September 2020 22: 13
    -1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Nichrome not understanding anything at the beginning of the path and likewise not understanding nichrome at the end.

    Why not understanding, one thing I understood perfectly: "Loot always wins good!" and don't even argue with that ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 22: 29
    -1
    I don't argue. By the way, would you sell your granddaughter into slavery for what amount?
  • kalibr
    20 September 2020 07: 34
    -2
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    By the way, would you sell your granddaughter into slavery for what amount?

    Sick, huh?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 20 September 2020 09: 59
    0
    Well, loot always wins?
  • kalibr
    20 September 2020 11: 35
    -2
    And I need to sell anyone for him. Don't judge others by yourself. I trade in intelligence, it is much more profitable and more pleasant in all respects. Have you tried it? I strongly advise you to start ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 20 September 2020 11: 49
    +3
    And yet you complained that you were missing a lot. Apparently you are a shitty merchant. However, from me too. You, too, would not judge by yourself. Your advice applies primarily to yourself. And with regards to your granddaughter. I’m glad you were very offended. Actually for this I wrote. Maybe it will come to you.
  • kalibr
    18 September 2020 22: 16
    0
    Quote: nnm
    But I wonder how in the USA they drill teeth for a person who has lost insurance?

    How do I know, I personally was not there, and all my friends from there did not lose their insurance ...
  • nnm
    nnm 18 September 2020 22: 14
    0
    I highly recommend for learning all the delights of the "collective farm".

    Excuse me, of course, but you are surely aware of how this exhibition prosperity of the CMEA showcase countries was formed due to the horrific price disparity in mutual trade with the USSR?
    Or how was the exchange rate of the "transferable ruble" formed in the CMEA calculations?
    1. kalibr
      19 September 2020 13: 46
      -2
      Quote: nnm
      Excuse me, of course, but you are surely aware of how this exhibition prosperity of the CMEA showcase countries was formed due to the horrific price disparity in mutual trade with the USSR?
      Or how was the exchange rate of the "transferable ruble" formed in the CMEA calculations?

      Another example of the inoperability of the economy of our "socialism".
      1. nnm
        nnm 19 September 2020 13: 55
        +4
        First, why is a working system suddenly inoperative? That, in the CMEA countries, during its existence, GDP fell, production declined, population decreased, the quality of education, medicine fell, the service sector declined, etc.? No, exactly the opposite. All indicators only grew. And, therefore, your conclusion is also erroneous. And secondly: but about the opposite, capitalist model, this can only be said in part. There is drawing out all the juices from the colonies, vassals, weaker countries. And take Great Britain, for example - where is that empire? First of all, an economic empire, a political one? Shrank, in fact, to the size of the island. Yes, the economy is still strong due to what was pumped out earlier, but this is no longer an empire that was a century ago. And the industry has shrunk and the GDP cannot be compared. The population is decreasing (without migration). As well as this applies to other countries of the same class - the Japanese empire a century ago and now, and so on. For those countries from which the powerful of this world siphon everything out, sooner or later throw off their dependence.
        1. kalibr
          19 September 2020 22: 00
          -1
          Quote: nnm
          And take Great Britain, for example - where is that empire?

          But the country is standing and the system in it has not changed. And where is the USSR and its system? Huh! Everything has changed, the basis, the superstructure ... the allies fled like devils from incense. And the British Commonwealth (not an empire, yes, but a fairly strong alliance) is intact.
          1. Dart
            Dart 22 September 2020 00: 56
            +1
            Along the way, you are a so-so historian, mediocre, little by little everywhere ... it is better to study the Greeks and write articles about phallic symbols in Hellenic painting, you know how ... and the history of the party and the works of the founders of communism were apparently difficult to understand, since you are such liberal gems fall out.
            1. kalibr
              22 September 2020 06: 24
              +1
              Vadim! You have no articles on VO. You do not write books, and you are not a Ph.D. and not a doctor of historical sciences. So why should I listen to you? For me, you are nobody ... But in pearls you understand, in general, like someone in oranges.
              1. fighter angel
                fighter angel 24 September 2020 14: 41
                +1
                Yes, Vadim.
                Indeed, why would he, Vyacheslav, listen to you?
                You do not belong to those 20% of the "chosen ones" to which Vyacheslav counts himself!
                We are with you - those 80% for which Vyacheslav and his "20% of the elect" "go for a pittance" ...
                1. Icelord
                  Icelord 25 September 2020 19: 00
                  -1
                  Alas, this is so. After all, you do not see the obvious. Well, the fate of the dinosaurs is undeniable
            2. Icelord
              Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 13
              0
              Oh, a living communist))) that's true, don't you remember how it was with them? Back to the concentration camp? Well no, I will defend myself
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    3. pytar
      pytar 20 September 2020 12: 01
      -2
      Excuse me, of course, but you are surely aware of how this exhibition prosperity of the CMEA showcase countries was formed due to the terrible price disparity in mutual trade with the USSR, or how the exchange rate of the "transferable ruble" was formed in the CMEA calculations?

      In modern Russia, the myth is widespread that "the USSR fed Eastern Europe." In fact, specifically with Bulgaria, the situation is somewhat different ... Until the end of the 80s of. course bg. leva to the transferable ruble almost leveled from the exchange rate to the dollar (do not confuse the exchange rate of the transferable ruble from the exchange rate to the Soviet ruble!). In essence, barter was taking place. Moreover, there is such an interesting feature: when exporting to the USSR, the cost of Bulgarian goods was calculated at the rate of 1,05 levs / 1 pp. Rubles, and when imported from the USSR, the rate was already 1 lev / 1 pp! Roughly speaking, a Bulgarian product worth 100 levs. The USSR bought for 95 p.p., and Soviet goods with a cost of 100 levs. we bought at 100 p.p. Thus, Bulgaria lost approx. 5% from each transaction. In addition, a 2% commission was paid to foreign trade centers in both directions. To some extent, the disproportion was offset by the cheapness of Soviet goods. But even with this, not everything was so simple! For example, used by us in the 80s. The MiG-29, in real terms, had a price almost the same as the new F-2019 bl.16 purchased by BG in 70. And if we remove the logistics costs from the calculations, then the Falcons are cheaper than the MiGs.
      The collection of archives of the BNB (1948-1990) volume 5, part 4 states the following: The entry is based on a single set, including all kinds of widespread use of consumable stocks in our country, check the level of the price on the smallest 4.47.
      That is, the prices for goods in our country were on average 4,47 times, more expensive than international ones. Trade and economic relations with the USSR became especially complicated after the arrival of Gorbachev. He demanded that the socialist countries pay for oil and gas in dollars, while imports to the USSR continued to be estimated in p. Rubles. Since the Bulgarian economy was 90% tied to the Soviet one, it, like other socialist countries, had no place to get currency! They took loans, the entire social bloc drowned in debts to Western creditors. Bulgaria, for example, went bankrupt 2 times!
      There are many examples of the failure of this system. Everyone was dissatisfied with her. Russia now "does not feed" the socialist countries, right? Should you expect to heal? Ash no ... for some reason, it doesn't work, and many of you regret the old socialism! And probably all the same you feed someone ... someone sooo insatiable, greedy!
      1. kalibr
        22 September 2020 06: 26
        0
        Quote: pytar
        Ash no ... for some reason, it doesn't work, and many of you regret the old socialism! And probably all the same you feed someone ... someone sooo insatiable, greedy!

        Well noticed!
      2. Icelord
        Icelord 28 September 2020 16: 17
        +1
        Bravo. Indeed, and after all, oil is 50 times more expensive than under the "traitor Gorbachev" and this is also a recession and a crisis. Someone really eats a lot
  • 2ez
    2ez 18 September 2020 22: 27
    -1
    Doesn't the West rot? Democracy convinced everyone? It's already painful, I regularly visit Poland, the Czech Republic ... It's sad ...
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 45
    +3
    Well, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I'm telling you - Altai Territory, mid-80s, regional center, polyclinic. Dental office, where the drill is driven by straps, and not pneumatic ...
  • passerby
    passerby 19 September 2020 06: 03
    -1
    Quote: kalibr
    1954th! And where does the negative come from? Have you worked in any archive of the OK, RK, or the Central Committee of the CPSU or the Komsomol? Did you write dissertations on party leadership? Did you read lectures to the people about how the West is rotting? No! And I read, wrote, and fought ... And it turned out that all this is a lie and deceit for simpletons, and I also fell for this bait. And I do not like when they deceive me, and those who deceive. I believe that they are due for moral damage. Well, here I am making up for it. I am writing the truth about how it was. I can also write that teeth with pulpitis were drilled without anesthesia. Have you tried this? I highly recommend for learning all the delights of the "collective farm".

    The saddest thing is that now a huge number of people have appeared who are happy to believe in the deception that they were stuffing you with, moreover, they are ready to prove with foam at the mouth that it was not a deception at all, but pure truth, but "everything was spoiled by traitors", and if these traitors are now put up against the wall, then everything will certainly be corrected and work out.
    1. kalibr
      19 September 2020 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: bystander
      The saddest thing is that now a huge number of people have appeared who are happy to believe in the deception that they were stuffing you with, moreover, they are ready to prove with foam at the mouth that it was not a deception at all, but pure truth, but "everything was spoiled by traitors", and if these traitors are now put up against the wall, then everything will certainly be corrected and work out.

      Exactly! And where, the main thing? Moreover, for some reason they are sure that it will be they who will put it, and not them.
    2. nnm
      nnm 19 September 2020 14: 31
      +2
      But I am interested in something else - thanks to what and to whom did those who are now pouring slops into the USSR became what they are now?
      A hypothetical example is a conventional ideologue who grew up in a family of the same ideologues, who injected nonsense into the heads of listeners (nonsense not only and not so much in terms of content, because the idea itself is excellent, but its fruits were used by those who are mentioned in the famous saying about who makes a revolution, and who uses its fruits), which in fact did not create ANYTHING for that country, who received salaries at the expense of other people, education, cheap tariffs, law and order, medicine, who, in fact, received housing at the expense of other people, etc. pour slop over the country on whose body they simply parasitized. I would have understood these hypothetical ideologues if they were talking about the need to improve the system, but they simply hate it, being completely its fruit-parasite. It's just a complete break in the logical connection. Hypocrisy and duplicity in the most incredible intensity of these concepts.
      1. passerby
        passerby 19 September 2020 15: 12
        0
        Quote: nnm
        But I am interested in something else - thanks to what and to whom did those who are now pouring slops into the USSR became what they are now?
        A hypothetical example is a conventional ideologue who grew up in a family of the same ideologues, who injected nonsense into the heads of listeners (nonsense not only and not so much in terms of content, because the idea itself is excellent, but its fruits were used by those who are mentioned in the famous saying about who makes a revolution, and who uses its fruits), which in fact did not create ANYTHING for that country, who received salaries at the expense of other people, education, cheap tariffs, law and order, medicine, who, in fact, received housing at the expense of other people, etc. pour slop over the country on whose body they simply parasitized. I would have understood these hypothetical ideologues if they were talking about the need to improve the system, but they simply hate it, being completely its fruit-parasite. It's just a complete break in the logical connection. Hypocrisy and duplicity in the most incredible intensity of these concepts.

        I see no logic in your statement if, as you say, someone did nothing and parasitized on the body of the USSR, then he should have died immediately after the USSR, i.e. right after the one on whom he parasitized, instead we see a completely different picture, the author of this article obviously does not live in poverty, moreover, he does not at all regret the demise of the communist regime. The conclusion suggests itself that this is the regime on such people as the author of the article parasitized, and not vice versa.
        1. kalibr
          19 September 2020 21: 56
          -1
          Quote: bystander
          The conclusion suggests itself that this is the regime on such people as the author of the article parasitized, and not vice versa.

          Exactly and how!
      2. kalibr
        19 September 2020 18: 31
        0
        Quote: nnm
        But I am interested in something else - thanks to what and to whom did those who are now pouring slops into the USSR became what they are now?

        It is easy to answer your question. Information changes a person. I did not know - I believed, I found out - I realized that the king was naked!
  • atalef
    atalef 19 September 2020 09: 13
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    I can also write that teeth with pulpitis were drilled without anesthesia

    unforgettable childhood impressions, I still tremble at the thought of going to the dentist.
    The most incomprehensible (from childhood impressions) was why, if you want a filling with anesthesia, you have to pay for an injection.
    True, they vomited with an injection - at least thanks for that.
    1. kalibr
      19 September 2020 13: 47
      0
      Quote: atalef
      why if you want a filling with anesthesia, then you need to pay for the injection.

      It means you started to live after me. And I OFFERED MONEY for an injection, they didn't take it! Not allowed!
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 18 September 2020 19: 53
    +6
    - I drank both bottles of mineral water and all the remaining wine -
    Maybe I didn't understand something or read it inattentively, but judging by the text, we are talking about a boy with his mother? Maybe wine is not what I mean by wine and in Bulgaria this is what they call some other drink? Someone please explain ..
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 18 September 2020 20: 22
      +6
      Table wine may well have a strength of about 4 -5% ABV. 7-8 grams of alcohol in a glass. There is nothing wrong with the use of such wine by teenagers and even children. Kvass and home brew can be roughly comparable in strength.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 18 September 2020 20: 56
        +3
        Nishtyak! 4-5% - regular beer (that is, an alcoholic beverage), which now, according to the law, can only be sold to "persons who have reached 21 years of age." And even earlier, only "persons who have reached the age of majority." What the law was - 18 years old.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 18 September 2020 21: 03
          0
          So it is according to the law. And I would forbid selling modern beer to people under 70. For the sake of supporting the pension reform. And wine is an ambiguous thing. And the benefits from it are considerable. So I think the strong organism of a Soviet schoolchild could decompose alcohol into metabolites without any problems and get the maximum benefit from the benefits contained in wine. It is also worth considering that this was a Bulgarian wine of the pre-chemical era. Natural. In the previous article, the author ruled about the use of several glasses of wine at lunch. It is unnecessary. And I have nothing against ONE glass during a heavy meal.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 18 September 2020 22: 27
        +4
        Do you think it's okay to give children a drink?
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 18 September 2020 22: 48
          +1
          Mash, along with kvass, was a common drink on the table among the Slavs. Yes, and kvass, if you make a couple of degrees normally, is gaining. The only question is the fortress.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 19 September 2020 07: 08
            +1
            There is no need to switch from children to Slavs .... sorry, but I try not to communicate in cases where the opponent begins to "blur" the meaning of the dialogue ... if we are talking about children, why did I need what was on the table of the Slavs? .. times. And, secondly: if you drink your child with beer, I think a large% of our society will condemn you ...
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 19 September 2020 10: 02
              0
              I mentioned Slavyan because the children also drank kvass and brew. Society may condemn the drinking of children. But here we are talking about a teenager of 14 years old. And this is completely different.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 19 September 2020 15: 33
                +1
                Once again, I cannot forbid drinking wine, etc. your children. Drink to your health. This is nonsense for me.
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 19 September 2020 15: 38
            +1
            You smear the essence again ... a couple of degrees kvass, wine is different .. we are talking about wine. What do you think it is 2 degrees? If not, then conduct a dialogue this way, it is not correct, at least.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 19 September 2020 18: 34
              0
              Table wine has a strength of 4-5 degrees. 8 grams of alcohol in a glass. Is this a lot in your opinion? In a large mug, homemade kvass will be about the same.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 19 September 2020 19: 53
                +1
                In my opinion there are many for children and adolescents, tk. they don't need it at all.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 19 September 2020 20: 47
                  +1
                  In one liter of fermented milk half-product of the type: yogurt, kefir, tan, ayran, there will be the same. In yogurt less. Are you encouraging children to eat sour milk?
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 20 September 2020 09: 29
                    +1
                    Those. You will not hesitate to give your child a drink of wine instead of kefirchik?
                    THX. They made me laugh. Let me finish with this, and let the spaceships continue to plow the big theater ...
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 20 September 2020 10: 48
                      0
                      Wine contains a lot of useful things. In particular for hematopoiesis. For digestion.
        2. passerby
          passerby 19 September 2020 12: 19
          0
          Quote: vitvit123
          Do you think it's okay to give children a drink?

          Well, write a complaint to the party committee, let them press it at the party meeting.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 19 September 2020 15: 31
            0
            Are you here or what? ..
            Can you read? If you answer in this style, will the semantic load remain? And if it's a joke, it's not entirely clear ..
      3. Alexy
        Alexy 19 September 2020 05: 10
        0
        The lightest, so to speak, dry table wine is not less than 9%, or even all 11% of alcohol
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 September 2020 10: 00
          +1
          Oh, yes. I've been making wine since I was 15. If you ferment pure grape juice without added sugar. And when fermenting on time, the fortress will be just within 5 degrees. Well, it depends on the grape variety.
          1. Alexy
            Alexy 20 September 2020 06: 40
            0
            Don't tell stories. You are not the only one making wine.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 20 September 2020 09: 17
              0
              Why should I tell fairy tales? Or do you think that everyone who makes wine knows how to make it?
              1. Alexy
                Alexy 20 September 2020 13: 04
                0
                Of course you can. I can assume that if you get 5% alcohol, then this is, to put it mildly, not really wine)
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 20 September 2020 17: 26
                  0
                  What is it then? Wine is a product of the fermentation of grape juice.
    2. BMP-2
      BMP-2 18 September 2020 20: 22
      +8
      "Consider our way, we drank a little. I'm not lying, by God, tell me, Seryoga!" (C) :))
    3. Turist1996
      Turist1996 18 September 2020 20: 33
      +9
      Speaking in modern language - the author was already in the 9th grade! laughing
      And in the days of the USSR in the resorts of Bulgaria.
      And after that the USSR is the "prison of peoples" for him ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 18 September 2020 22: 49
        +4
        Quote: Turist1996
        Speaking in modern language - the author was already in the 9th grade!

        The dream of juvenile justice beacons of the domocracy. The mother would be deprived of her parental rights right there.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 September 2020 14: 08
        0
        Quote: Turist1996
        Speaking in modern language - the author was already in the 9th grade!

        At that time, all future men began to cheat from the ninth grade. Pen test so to speak! A bottle of dry table wine in Sevastopol cost 62 kopecks .. Half a liter of real grape whole wine. They did not drink beer.
    4. kalibr
      18 September 2020 21: 33
      +2
      What's incomprehensible? Dry wine of the Riesling type, slightly sour "Byalo vin" mark. I was then almost fourteen years old, height 175 cm and weight ... decent. So I didn't notice this wine at all!
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 18 September 2020 22: 25
        +6
        My father never hit me in childhood, but I can’t even imagine if at the age of 14 he would indulge in wine what would have happened to me ... after my parents divorced (I was 15 years old) I didn’t drink anything alcohol until I was 20, absolutely ... I didn't drink, I don't know why. All my friends (almost) were drinking, smoking, and I drank juice at all events. Although for some time (due to family troubles) he did not live at home, he lived with friends wherever he could. There was absolutely no one to scold me, but I have never smoked and I still cannot and do not like to drink alcoholic beverages, thanks to my father for this, for 14 years he inspired me with aversion to alcohol and cigarettes. And I tried alcohol only because I had to go to the army (a month before the army), my friend said that there would be a need, at least a couple of times, to drink a glass of vodka (certain rituals) ...
        That's so lucky ... my little son is growing up as a hero and touching a fathom in his shoulders ... well, it's nothing who's wine, who's a brazhechka ... I'm writing and laughing ... what you just don't see, you hear ...
        I write without condemning (expressed my own) ... to each his own ...
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 18 September 2020 23: 08
          +1
          I have been drinking more or less regularly since I was 15. Homemade wine. I tried vodka for the first time at 22. Never smoked. I didn't spend my health on alcohol. Children at school may not be the best in the class, but they are in the top five. What difference does it make when to start drinking? At 15 or 35? It is necessary to initially instill a culture of drinking. And then, from a bad habit, alcoholgol will become one of the tools of being.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 19 September 2020 07: 18
            +1
            And alcohol must be an object of being?
            Those. if there is no difference when to drink, can a child be given water at 5-10-15 years old? Yes ? And if you don't drink it, what will be worse?
            What do you want to prove? You did not become an alcoholic, the author did not become an alcoholic, and the problem of alcoholism in the world is big. And the edge of drinking culture (Bukhalova, etc.) is very slippery and in my opinion it is better to play it safe with children. I have enough examples who started drinking culturally, and then either died in the Bose, or an alcoholic ... And how will you teach your children to drink ..., here I can only be upset after our dialogue, but, of course, change I can't do anything ...
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 19 September 2020 10: 10
              +1
              Alcohol is an integral part of human metabolism. If the body does not receive alcohol from the outside, then it begins to synthesize it itself. By spending a huge amount of resources. The natural source of alcohol has always been stale fruits and berries. Alcohol is the eternal companion of humanity. But the satellite is mean. And therefore, you need to be able to interact with him. There are almost no alcoholics in cultures with a developed culture of alcohol consumption. And crimes in a state of intoxication are committed no more often than by sober people.
              1. kalibr
                19 September 2020 13: 49
                0
                Quote: garri-lin
                There are almost no alcoholics in cultures with a developed culture of alcohol consumption.

                And this is true!
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 19 September 2020 15: 43
                  0
                  Words words ....
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 19 September 2020 18: 37
                    0
                    Medical facts that have been secreted almost all over the world since the Prohibition craze. By the way, I can remind you what the introduction of Prohibition has led in all countries.
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 19 September 2020 19: 55
                      +1
                      Do you see the edges? The speech was for children, etc. you have already gone to the essence of Prohibition. It's hard for me to keep the narrow framework of our topic with you ..
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 19 September 2020 20: 50
                        +1
                        This is all exactly within the framework of the topic. Children regularly consume alcohol in scanty amounts from foods that are even considered healthy. And if a child consumes the same amount of alcohol in the form of Wine, then this is already a crime. What is the difference? Are alcohol in kefir and wine different? Not. It's about propaganda.
                      2. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 20 September 2020 09: 33
                        0
                        The educational process also interferes with the matter, in some ratio and there are still aspects ... you just show me that alcohol is already present in the child's body and what I will do with it, etc. .... there in the commentary I wrote to you about the theater, ... let's finish. Feed the children with mash, wine, etc. I can't influence anything here. So goodbye ...
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 20 September 2020 10: 49
                        0
                        Well, I say the same phobia. And strong. Don't care about comparisons and arguments.
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 19 September 2020 15: 42
            0
            You are constantly flooding or do not understand me. To paint a kindergarten to prove my point of view that children can be drunk with alcohol (wine, mash), in my opinion, it's stupid, but I don't want to spin a whirligig ..
            1. kalibr
              19 September 2020 16: 00
              0
              Quote: vitvit123
              to prove your point

              I never really try to prove anything to anyone ...
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 19 September 2020 19: 59
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                I never really try to prove anything to anyone ...

                My comment was not addressed to you, but to the person who wrote about metabolism and so on ..
                1. kalibr
                  19 September 2020 20: 05
                  -1
                  Then sorry, I didn't get it. It seemed to me ...
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 07
                    0
                    No question ... how many times have I been wrong ....
            2. garri-lin
              garri-lin 19 September 2020 18: 38
              0
              Do you have a phobia? Phobia of alcohol?
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 05
                +2
                Why do you think so? Since What am I against the use of alcohol by a teenage child? Curious ... as far as I know myself, I did not notice any obvious phobias, although I am terribly afraid of snakes, this is probably a phobia. alcohol is unlikely. I just rarely came across a drink that I drank without disgust. Most accurately, I remember all the cases when I liked alcohol, there were three of them. The first is the French wine MEDOK (as far as memory can remember), the second, a friend gave it from raspberries (I liked it), the third mother made apple cider (not bad either). All other times he drank with disgust, only for friends for the company ... but where do I and the children? ..
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 19 September 2020 20: 55
                  0
                  The body does not produce an enzyme that can neutralize alcohol. The so-called genetic alcohol vaccination. A good thing, although it deprives some of the joy. But the essence of this does not change. You are prejudiced against alcohol. He is like a rag to a bull for you. It is worth taking a more comprehensive look at the essence of the question. No bias. And maybe the look will change. You will not start drinking, of course, but negatively rub the scabbard on the drinkers and stop.
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 20 September 2020 09: 38
                    0
                    How do you know if I am prejudiced or are you discouraged? Where is the criterion, the standard? In general, I think that when people draw conclusions about others, in such cases, after several comments, these are people who are somewhat stupid ... there, by the way, besides me, there were also prejudiced ... sorry, but I'm bored to communicate in such a quarrelsome mode, so I'll write you goodbye, all the best ..
                  2. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 20 September 2020 10: 55
                    0
                    Well, you were the first to draw conclusions. Out of the blue. And you are definitely prejudiced. The comparative argument didn't work for you. Despite the fact that he was perfect. Hence your opinion is not a result of analysis but a bias. An imposed opinion in the correctness of which you did not even try to figure it out.
      2. kalibr
        19 September 2020 13: 49
        -1
        Quote: vitvit123
        very slippery

        Really...
  • nnm
    nnm 18 September 2020 22: 03
    +4
    Also this fact, moreover, in the presence of his mother, extremely surprised. If I were to rinse my mouth with wine as a child, then I can't even imagine what would have happened
    1. 2ez
      2ez 18 September 2020 22: 29
      +2
      And my father just and tastefully whipped me too .... And nothing, they became HUMANS!
      1. kalibr
        18 September 2020 22: 40
        +2
        Quote: 2ez
        And nothing, they became HUMANS!

        Without a doubt, since you are here and write comments. But it would still be better to do without a belt, eh?
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 19 September 2020 05: 01
          0
          That's right, what's better with a belt. All this modern lisping does not lead to good. The same English elite was brought up in cold, hunger, rods. Vaccinated, so to speak. The result is an empire. Was.
    2. kalibr
      18 September 2020 22: 36
      +3
      Quote: nnm
      Also this fact, moreover, in the presence of his mother, extremely surprised. If I were to rinse my mouth with wine as a child, then I can't even imagine what would have happened

      We had it ... okay. It was a light table wine ... By the way, I know families and more than one where the boys were just as strict about wine. No, no, it will grow, then ... In the meantime, let it not know the taste. So what? All the kids got drunk there, and someone died. But everything is fine with me. I don’t drink vodka at all, any rubbish either ... But the taste of cola, all sorts of miranda and energy drinks - my daughter did not know, nor does my granddaughter know.
      1. nnm
        nnm 18 September 2020 22: 50
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        But the taste of cola, all sorts of miranda and energy drinks - neither my daughter knew, nor my granddaughter knows

        Why?! But what about the right to free choice ?! You were so touched by the same drinks in Bulgaria ?! Some kind of double standards ...
        1. kalibr
          19 September 2020 05: 47
          0
          Quote: nnm
          You were so moved by the same drinks in Bulgaria

          Did I know then how harmful they are? Think a little before writing about standards ...
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 September 2020 23: 17
        +6
        I was 5 years old when we moved from the RSFSR to Moldova. Feast, homemade wine is poured to me. Siberian grandparents are shocked. Then the wine is diluted with soda.
        - What for? - Siberians ask
        - To give a little on the balls - Moldovans answer
        My Siberian grandfather gives me a candy for a snack, I eat it with pleasure. - So this is alcohol-coated grapes in chocolate - the Moldovan owners tell them with reproach laughing
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 19 September 2020 07: 23
        +1
        My family had an extremely strict attitude towards alcohol ... my father did not drink, did not smoke ... my mother always told me when I was little that if I drink, she will kill me ... in general, because her parents were alcoholics ... I still can't stand, even the smell of alcoholic beverages, any .. you do not prove anything by your example, as well as I do with mine. And I wrote this comment to explain it to you ..
      4. vitvit123
        vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 31
        0
        Sorry for the question .. and you had it ... ok, maybe because the parents considered themselves not like all ordinary citizens of the USSR ....? High society, etc. ? ..
    3. Icelord
      Icelord 19 September 2020 06: 11
      +1
      From 13-14 years old, the ancestors poured champagne on holidays, and they could give half a glass of beer at dinner
    4. vitvit123
      vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 28
      0
      There may have been people who considered themselves noble blood and raised children especially ..
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 September 2020 19: 58
    +1
    I am pleased to read your historical articles on the "shooter". Very interesting! But the articles on "revealing the crimes of the Bolshevik regime" are extremely tendentious!
    1. kalibr
      18 September 2020 21: 30
      +4
      Quote: Turist1996
      But the articles on "revealing the crimes of the Bolshevik regime" are extremely tendentious!

      They would be tendentious if we lived in the USSR today, right?
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 15
        +2
        No, Vyacheslav Olegovich! The case, in my opinion, is somewhat "shirsh"! Namely: your generation, born in the 1950s and 1960s, will sooner or later have to leave the stage. And what do YOU ​​leave AFTER yourself to your BORN children ?!
        Or YOU DID NOT LEAVE ANYTHING to your unborn children?
        And the question is not for my grandparents, and even less for my great-grandfather and great-grandmother!
        A question for my father! And my father is your age .. He was.
        And now I have a question - how did you "screw up" the country ?! It seems like grown men .. And they started playing this "independence"! From what?!
        1. kalibr
          18 September 2020 22: 45
          0
          Quote: Turist1996
          How did you "screw up" the country that could ?!

          A smart question addressed to a former lecturer of the RK KPSS, OK Komsomol, a teacher of the history of the CPSU. I DID EVERYTHING AS THE BELIEVED FROM ABOVE, was not involved, did not shy away, actively supported the line ... together I read 5 lectures to the people 20 and people cried with emotion ... I did not admit nasty thoughts ... And then, they gathered us and said ... " are not needed anymore. " Everything was decided without you. That's how it "got fucked up" somewhere there. And where I was and my colleagues - everything was great! Almost...
          1. nnm
            nnm 18 September 2020 22: 53
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            addressed to the former lecturer of the RK KPSS, OK Komsomol, teacher of the history of the CPSU. I did everything as I did from above

            Forgive me, but who prevented you from choosing another field? Was it someone who made you follow this path? Or would they shoot you if you chose a different specialty? At first, perhaps, they believed in this choice, then doubted, and then they were hypocritical, putting this hypocrisy on the trainees. But, of course, the system is to blame, and not the one who looked for easy ways in it.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 19 September 2020 05: 08
              +3
              Well, you just said a word. Among them, the members of the CPSU, only in words the working class was the hegemon and the master, while they themselves were in no hurry to become “masters,” they preferred to be servants. Strange huh? On the question of who was the master, and who was the servant before the master.
            2. kalibr
              19 September 2020 05: 51
              0
              Quote: nnm
              Excuse me, but who prevented you from choosing another field? Was it someone who forced you to follow this path?

              They always told me at home and at school that the best go there. I felt that I was better than so many. Mother is a communist, grandfather is a communist. And I could have chosen another field? Are you laughing? Life forced!
          2. BAI
            BAI 19 September 2020 20: 17
            0
            did not shy away

            And what about the constitutional duty to defend the Fatherland? After all, from the moment of choosing the institute, everything was sharpened so as not to serve in the army.
            Article 31. Defense of the socialist homeland is one of the most important functions of the state and is the work of the whole people.

            In order to protect the socialist gains, the peaceful labor of the Soviet people, the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the state, the Armed Forces of the USSR and established universal military service.

            The duty of the Armed Forces of the USSR to the people is to reliably defend the socialist Fatherland, to be in constant combat readiness, guaranteeing an immediate rebuff to any aggressor.
            1. kalibr
              19 September 2020 20: 56
              +1
              You carelessly read other people's comments on VO. A certain Aviator had already asked me this question, and he was informed in detail that there was a law that the Duma wants to return again, that teachers from rural areas are exempt from conscription. But there was also a law on state distribution at the end of the university, and as soon as you signed a document about it, then you no longer belonged to yourself, but had to go wherever they would send you. And the person did not choose the primacy of the law. We're talking about a person's responsibility to the state, right? And if so, then it is it that decides which is more important - a soldier in the field or a teacher in the village. And here, if you are a law-abiding citizen, then you do not have to choose. Is not it? The law is strong, but it's law. So that! And when you turn 27, you get a ticket and ... that's it. True, people who did not serve here underwent retraining at 3-month courses and received some kind of specialty. But I was lucky here too, they looked at the documents, listened to my English, and assigned me to the unit that "will be deployed on the territory of a potential enemy during the war years," advised not to forget the language, and with that they let me go. Later, in the questionnaires in the field of military specialty, I wrote for a long time "spy" for humor, they did not believe, they asked to show the ticket, but then they did not laugh, although they asked to rewrite it. By the way, think about it: if "there" they thought that he was evading, I would not have seen the department of the history of the CPSU and the degree of admission to archives No. 2.
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 19 September 2020 06: 13
          +1
          Because it's better this way, and if someone comes back to unite me, then I'll meet ... with a machine gun
        3. vitvit123
          vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 17
          0
          Sorry to interfere. But in my opinion you are too categorical ... the country was betrayed by the marked Judas, the drunkard gave it up to be torn apart, for the sake of power ... individually, man is negligible. Someone brought the country into collapse. The main responsibility lies with a small number of people .. I have a rejection of the nomenclature, but such are the people, everyone wants to eat well, sleep well ...
          1. kalibr
            19 September 2020 21: 03
            +1
            Quote: vitvit123
            The main responsibility lies with a small number of people .. I have a rejection of the nomenclature, but such are the people, everyone wants to eat well, sleep well ...

            It's easy and pleasant to think so, but in fact, everything is just the opposite. Everyone is to blame, because the king is always played by his retinue! I had two articles here that apparently passed you by: "The Revolution of the Mediocre" and "They Went Through and Are Falling Down." Everything there is in Lenin's works and documents ... The top simply implements what the majority wants, even if very often unconsciously!
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 20 September 2020 09: 48
              +1
              According to the first words, one can feel the savvy of a strong orator, agitator and a person who considers himself to be an authoritative person (although the first impression can be deceiving), to be honest, I always immediately become an opponent of such personalities. Sometimes it went beyond a simple conversation, but in the future, often, they became good friends ... but come on, in essence ... the people, ordinary people are not to blame, those who were at the helm of the country, the highest party workers, are to blame. you belonged too. But I think that you, after all, did not stand so high. But the higher a person stood on the ladder of power, the more his fault. What kind of people go to the king's retinue? What are you saying? The retinue is not the people ... or maybe you mean the retinue is the retinue? Then I did not understand .. you write that everyone is to blame and immediately say that the king is made by his retinue .... everyone is not in the king's retinue, there is a narrow circle of people .. I hope he wrote it clearly ...
              By the way, this topic is interesting, but it's always a pity that there is no way to communicate directly. It is very difficult to convey your perception here, etc. ..
              1. kalibr
                20 September 2020 12: 07
                0
                Read the article by G.V. Plekhanov "On the development of a monistic view of history". She will answer you better and we will shorten the time ...
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 20 September 2020 12: 15
                  +1
                  Thank you but no. I see no point in "breaking spears". I do not want to look for the right and the wrong. It doesn't matter to me (now). With pleasure I read other genres and my more earthly hobbies ...
              2. kalibr
                20 September 2020 12: 08
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                Quote: vitvit123
                But I think that you, after all, did not stand so high.

                Associate Professor of the Department of History of the CPSU, Lecturer of the RK KPSS and OK Komsomol
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 20 September 2020 12: 29
                  0
                  Of course it sounds strong .. but I don’t know you as a person, but it is not correct to judge by titles (high positions), to be honest, such positions (for me personally) do not cause positive emotions, but my opinion is just my opinion. .. I want to believe ....
                  Good luck....
                  1. kalibr
                    20 September 2020 13: 00
                    0
                    Quote: vitvit123
                    Good luck....

                    And you, well, it's good that you don't write that the USSR was destroyed by people like me, and then "on the ruins of a mosque ..."
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 20 September 2020 13: 04
                      +1
                      I don't know you, so I can't say that. and I don't understand when others make an opinion without knowing a person, unfortunately here I often see it ...
              3. kalibr
                20 September 2020 12: 09
                0
                Quote: vitvit123
                What kind of people go to the king's retinue?

                The one who waves his car card with smiles and shakes his hands when he occasionally leaves his car!
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 20 September 2020 12: 37
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                  I disagree here (for all your merits) ... in my opinion, the retinue is the closest associates. And the one who waves to the motorcade is the electorate, the people, the controlled mass, etc. they do not choose the authorities. They can only think what they choose ... the crowd instinct (my opinion) is very easy to control, I see it (in my life) very often. I can't understand why many, others, do not see this ..
                  I think that after reading the last sentence, you will not quite correctly form your opinion about me, but oh well, it doesn't matter ...
                  1. kalibr
                    20 September 2020 12: 43
                    0
                    Quote: vitvit123
                    in my opinion, the retinue is the closest associates.

                    I took it on a larger scale for added effect, haha. And so, of course, yes. But where did the retinue come from ... from the people and who are they? I had a lot of articles on personalities here on VO. There are Chekists, and "enemies of the people" and Yagoda and Yezhov ... read who they are and where from ...
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 20 September 2020 12: 59
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                      It is clear that we are all made with one finger and that the retinue is from the people ... but (as for me) you are engaged in casuistry .. people change and this change can happen very quickly. Who "yesterday" was an ordinary person, went up the "ladder" and this is a completely different person who does not put himself on the same level with the electorate and considers himself special. Such an individual can no longer be considered an ordinary person. And this retinue (individuals), that's what I'm talking about ... I don't know how much the system has absorbed you ... perhaps because of your involvement in it, you will try to spread responsibility from it (from the party elite) to anyone, even for ordinary people: drivers, collective farmers, doctors, teachers, locksmiths, turners, just ordinary people who are poorly versed in politics, do not want to understand politics, because you need to work like a damned (unlike the nomenklotura) in a remote village in Siberia etc ... maybe ....
                  2. kalibr
                    20 September 2020 12: 46
                    0
                    Quote: vitvit123
                    They can only think what they choose ... the crowd instinct (my opinion) is very easy to control

                    I wrote you about the textbook for a reason. Once I was asked to draw a crowd to a new store. They wanted to put the girls to hand out leaflets, dress them smartly ... I suggested the orchestra dressed in firemen's costumes. And as soon as they started to plump in the plates "Farewell to the Slav!" the people threw in a shaft!
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 20 September 2020 13: 01
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                      Do you confirm my phrase? Or not ? A bit unclear ... so stupid (I'm) sorry ..
                      1. kalibr
                        22 September 2020 06: 29
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                        Quote: vitvit123
                        Do you confirm my phrase?

                        Of course!
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 19 September 2020 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: Turist1996
      But the articles on "revealing the crimes of the Bolshevik regime" are extremely tendentious!

      In 1976-78 he served in Czechoslovakia. Milovitsy .. All the time they asked the deputy politician Why Czechoslovakians live better than us. Shops were full of groceries, store shelves from goods. Jeans, shoes, dishes. All in all, and not expensive. The Czechs had more wages than ours. A tractor driver in a cooperative received 400-600 rubles for our money. Two-story private houses for ordinary peasants. On Saturday they wash the sidewalk in front of the house ... There are no cucumbers or tomatoes in the front garden. Mowed lawn, porcelain gnomes, toy castle. Political worker often. often blinked and said - "We survived such a war!. No one argued. But they did not believe ... Yes. We survived a terrible war, but the war went through the Czechs and Germans like a steel roller. Maybe only now Russia is starting more or less We want our people to live well and long. Ours deserve it!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2020 19: 59
    +5
    Quote: kalibr
    No. in the Regional Council of Trade Unions. There was no travel agency then. There was "Sputnik" for young people and Oblsofprof.

    Yes, I actually know, but the answers in Zhirinovsky's style are alarming. wink
  • north 2
    north 2 18 September 2020 20: 00
    +6
    and with what the then schoolboy, having visited the Bulgarian resort of Sunny Beach, compared what he saw there, that he was so stunned? With his native Penza, where did he come to Bulgaria from? Well, Penza is about the fortieth city of Russia in terms of size and in terms of number and workload with industry, so it was necessary to visit some Lovech or Razgrad in Bulgaria, also somewhere in the thirtieth place in Bulgaria and then
    to him his Penza would have seemed like paradise. But if the then schoolboy was stunned by the Nr 1 resort in Bulgaria
    so then it was necessary that his mother from the beginning or immediately then took him to resorts Nr 1 in the USSR in Sochi and in the Crimea! And I would have seen that in Sochi and Yalta and in Livadia it is also wonderful ...
    As for the current photographs with views of caves and grottoes near Varna, which were not yet in 1968 or which now looks more beautiful and are presented to tourists than then, then the current
    I recommend Mr. Shpakovsky to visit modern Kislovodsk. There is now restored and opened so much that was not until recently that is not ashamed and richer now in front of the Bulgarian resort attractions. Although, of course, the handwriting of the son, the mother of the CPSU functionary, oh, how we feel in the article ... Therefore, it constantly reminds the historian of the CPSU about the mother
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 18 September 2020 20: 13
      +6
      Yes, for a child from Penza and Yalta, it would be enough .. Here, nevertheless, the level of accessibility is important - my dad and mom went to Bulgaria only in 2013. And before that, the two of us only went to Ukraine in 1986: Kiev-Lvov-Odessa-Izmail .. And something else ..
      Vyacheslav Olegovich still “darkens” a lot ..
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, and the photos of that time and your childhood memories are really very interesting!
      Thank you for the article!
      1. kalibr
        18 September 2020 21: 24
        +3
        Quote: Turist1996
        Vyacheslav Olegovich still “darkens” a lot ..

        What is the point? Darkening could be much cooler. God did not offend me with fantasy ... But I am glad that you liked the material.
    2. kalibr
      18 September 2020 21: 29
      +4
      I was in Crimea in 1962 in Gurzuf, lived near the park of the military sanatorium of the Moscow Region, and every day we walked there ... through a hole in the fence. I was in Kislovodsk two years ago. As for parents, they certainly have a huge impact on us. And isn't it said in the Bible: "Honor your father and your mother!" What surprises you in this?
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 00
        +2
        Thank you very much for your answers! I didn’t put cons.
        1. kalibr
          18 September 2020 22: 18
          +2
          There are enough minusers without you, ha-ha! You see, and someone slapped you right there. Well, the "collective farm" has a black and white perception of reality and the past ... Well, nothing, let them get used to it little by little.
          1. Turist1996
            Turist1996 18 September 2020 22: 28
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            Yes, it's understandable .. It's just interesting that the concept of "collective farm" can be absolutely reliably replaced by "public opinion" ...
            How the emotional-political "coloring" changes immediately.
            Note, with absolutely the same semantic load of the term.
            But "collective farm" and "public opinion" sound different. Although the essence is one!
            1. kalibr
              18 September 2020 22: 33
              0
              I have a textbook for universities in the specialty "public relations", subject; "Technologies of Public Opinion Management". (Infra-Engineering -publishing). Here you should read it ... It's interesting there. This is an unusual old boring textbook. There you also need to read books of fiction, watch films ...
          2. 2ez
            2ez 18 September 2020 22: 33
            +1
            And why did the collective farm not please you? Did your parents and party functionaries tell you about Kirill Orlovsky? Then just watch the movie "Chairman" with Ulyanov. Is he also a collective farm?
            1. kalibr
              19 September 2020 05: 53
              +2
              Quote: 2ez
              Then just watch the film "Chairman" with Ulyanov.

              We don't live in a movie. I have met other chairmen ...
            2. Icelord
              Icelord 19 September 2020 06: 17
              -2
              Worse than the collective farm. He praises the criminal communist party
          3. nnm
            nnm 18 September 2020 22: 37
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            Well, the "collective farm" has a black and white perception of reality and the past ...


            Himself, it seems, never put any minuses to anyone.
            But I will say something else - and such black-and-white assessments, this is not the same "collective farm"? If someone does not agree - anathema, as in the times you hated, since everyone is not marching in unison with you? Or do you think that your position is not flawed and you cannot be wrong?
            Well, you can't do that .... or don't be a "collective farm" in your own understanding and be open to criticism, or .... find 2 differences ...
            1. kalibr
              19 September 2020 05: 55
              0
              Quote: nnm
              Or do you think that your position is not flawed and you cannot be wrong?

              Only a weak-minded person can think that. But ... show me what your minus is. Maybe I will agree? Or everyone will see that the idiot is just a minus. This is how I think. And this, in my opinion, is the only correct position. And you don't need to sculpt a lot of intelligence on the sly.
              1. nnm
                nnm 19 September 2020 10: 27
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                I repeat, I never put downsides. Only when the comment contains a personal insult or incites hatred.
                The dualism of your position does not seem strange to you, because at first you admit that you can only consider yourself right a priori
                Quote: kalibr
                only the feeble-minded.

                and then, through the sentence, deduce the maxim that
                Quote: kalibr
                And this, in my opinion, is the only correct position.

                That is, what, in your opinion, in relation to others is a sign of dementia, in relation to you is an infallible confidence in the rightness ?! You know, but there seems to be much more party ideologue in you than you think.
                1. kalibr
                  19 September 2020 12: 01
                  +1
                  Once again: if you put a minus - explain. Here is my position, and perhaps this explanation will make me think about something. And just like that, a weak-minded person can sculpt them. There is nowhere easier to explain.
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 19 September 2020 20: 46
      0
      With all my respect for you. But we have always lived better than in Russia / USSR. Look at your hinterland ... We don't have this!
      1. kalibr
        19 September 2020 21: 48
        +1
        Quote: bagatura
        Look at your hinterland ... We don't have this!

        From 1977 to 1980 he lived and worked there. It was terrible. Worse hard labor!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 September 2020 20: 14
    +4
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    Although I argue with you and the administration that the topic is not a military one, it is interesting to read.
    Personally, I have not been to Bulgaria, well, in those years I was not yet in the plans)))
  • north 2
    north 2 18 September 2020 21: 21
    +3
    two points.
    The first . The then schoolboy Shpakovsky really had not yet tried the wonderful Soviet
    drink BAIKAL, because BAIKAL began to be produced in the USSR since 1973. So he and a set of
    chemicals of half of the periodic table in Coca-Cola, could become bulky. For this, so many chemicals are put in Coca-Cola. And how can this drinker be compared with the then Soviet drink BAIKAL?
    Second. As the author noted here, Soviet people did not smile everywhere and at anyone and everyone, therefore it was easy to distinguish them from the people of the West. And I want to point out that smiling for no reason is a sign of foolishness.
    This is not only a wise proverb to speak of, but this disease is also a term in psychiatry ...
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 19 September 2020 06: 21
      +3
      You have to be kinder to people, friendlier. "All stupidity and meanness in the world are committed with a serious face. Smile gentlemen, smile" (c) (the same Munghausen)
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 18 September 2020 21: 29
    +4
    Of course, I got to Bulgaria along the coast only in the early 90s. But many of the author's "discoveries" happened for me as well. Since then, 6 or 7 times along the entire coast from Balchik to Sozopol I rode and rested. I feel very emotional there. Although over the past 10 years, much has changed there not for the better
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 18 September 2020 21: 35
    +4
    From 2019 trip to Sozopol


    1. kalibr
      18 September 2020 22: 05
      +3
      And then there was a very beautiful and similar dish!
    2. Maksim
      Maksim 18 September 2020 23: 17
      +2
      There is also very good wine. Whether from grapes or from figs.
  • BAI
    BAI 18 September 2020 21: 45
    +3
    In Zagorsk (which is now Sergiev Posad) I have repeatedly heard the following story: A group from Bulgaria returned, and someone was proudly showing off a chic blouse. We looked at the label - Zagorsk garment factory "Yunost". Moreover, these products were not sold in Zagorsk, all for export. 70s.
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 September 2020 22: 31
      +2
      This story in different variations about many garment factories in the Union went.
      The most popular version of history, the labels were changed. They say they bought it somewhere with an imported label, but in an inconspicuous place there was a label of a local factory
  • Maksim
    Maksim 18 September 2020 23: 16
    +3
    Dear Mr. Shpakovakiy, thanks for your article. Although her nostalgia is above the roof, she at least lets you know how Russians were met in Bulgaria then. It would be nice and last year's or the memories before last.
    It is a pity that I can only put one plus to the article.
    1. kalibr
      19 September 2020 05: 57
      +3
      Quote: Mac Sim
      It would be nice and last year's or the memories before last.

      Dear McSim. I remember what happened last year worse than what happened 10,20,30 years ago. But the cycle will continue, of course ... There are many interesting things.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 19 September 2020 08: 37
        +1
        Familiar business, yes. laughing
  • Maksim
    Maksim 18 September 2020 23: 24
    +4
    By the way, I was just as stunned in Leningrad when I was treated to borscht in "Canteen No. 1". For Russians, it was niche for myself, but for us it was so yummy. I also remember “Alenka” and sweets from the “Krasny Oktyabr” factory (I hope not to confuse them). Everyone has their own memories hi
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 September 2020 09: 41
    0
    Quote: Avior
    15 wasn't it? Is the long distance telephone a pay machine?

    Yes . It was.
  • kalibr
    19 September 2020 12: 09
    +3
    Quote: garri-lin
    And then, from a bad habit, alcoholgol will become one of the tools of being.

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    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 19 September 2020 20: 24
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  • kalibr
    20 September 2020 12: 03
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    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    I’m glad you were very offended. Actually for this I wrote. Maybe it will come to you.

    I cannot be hurt by the writings of a person of a low-level intellectual environment. I don't expect anything else from them. Rudeness is their normal state. Take a look at my profile. There are 1370 articles only here, there are thousands of them elsewhere, on other sites and in printed magazines, 40 books published in the USSR, Russia, England and Germany, and 6 electronic. And how much do you have? So the "intellect trader" of me is just a good one, but don’t give me any money, it will still be small and this is normal!
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 21 September 2020 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    After such a description of life in Bulgaria at that time, I am amazed at the indignation with which the Bulgarians treated Todor Zhivkov, who had not saved up anything for himself and died in poverty.

    Indignation towards Zhivkov did not hit. They beat the illusions of a part of the population that socialism prevented them from getting rich and living like in the West.
    Little is left of these illusions today. And Zhivkov, most of the generation who lived under socialism, is remembered with nostalgia.