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Russia's hard choice

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Tell me, what problems do the deputies have? But there is. And the main problem is elections. Now we are not talking about the deputies of the State Duma, this is just a separate caste of managers who earn on their votes.


It will be about the deputies much below the level, on which, oddly enough, a lot depends if they, the deputies, work.

Today in many cities the streets are covered with banners with strong, courageous, and most importantly, honest such faces of candidates. Mostly from the EP. Very rarely anyone from another party will flicker. Indeed, if the owner (for example) of the largest house-building plant in the region is a deputy of the regional duma, then why does the general director not become a deputy of the city duma? Aren't prima managers going to be on municipal councils?

And here is half the city in banners, on which individuals in suits with ties and helmets. Like builders. A bright future.

Let's think about the following point: who are these deputies? Well, it is clear that they are the chosen people of the people who must work for the benefit of this people. In theory. The practice is completely different.

Why? Yes, because not a single self-respecting deputy, with extremely rare exceptions, will strain himself at his deputy's work.

And this is logical.

If someone does not know, deputies of municipalities, rural, settlement and other grassroots councils are not paid a salary. That is, the deputy is obliged to provide for himself, and in his free time from work to fulfill his deputy duties.

The scheme is all from there - from the USSR. The only exceptions are State Duma deputies, who receive simply fantastic salaries and benefits. But there is a special conversation about them, since today it is completely incomprehensible to a normal citizen why they receive such salaries for absolutely nothing Messrs. Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and Mironov, whose parties cannot do anything in terms of passing laws.

But today we are not talking about them. Today we are talking about those who do not receive salaries, are not a professional deputy, like the same Zyuganov or Zhirinovsky, who does not claim to receive money for the election campaign and time on TV.

Since September 13 is a national voting day, it is probably not worth telling how many people wishing to become a deputy have applied both directly to the editorial office and to some of the writers? So we won't.

A candidate's desire for press coverage is quite normal. Another question is that not every media can do this.

Nevertheless, I managed to talk to many of them. It should be noted that there were no representatives of the United Russia among them. Everything is in order with the "United" broadcasts, as well as with publications on the pages of various newspapers of the district and regional scale.


It turns out to be a funny situation. Has anyone even asked himself the question, why do we need village and municipal deputies? They do not pass any laws, unlike their "older" brothers, they do not actually affect the distribution of the budget.

So why are deputies of a lower level needed at all?

Looking at the numbers?

1. Russian parliament. There are 450 deputies in the State Duma, and 170 in the Federation Council.

Total: 620.

We are not talking about quality, I emphasize, only about quantity.

2. Regional parliaments (regional legislatures). 85. According to (well, let's believe) Wikipedia, there are 3 deputies in these meetings.

3. City councils. In my city there are 36 deputies, in neighboring Lipetsk - 35. In Moscow - 45. But in our country there are a lot of small cities, so I would take the number of 25 deputies as an average figure. And multiplied by the number of cities in the Russian Federation (1 117).

The figure is 28 deputies.

4. District Councils of People's Deputies.

There are 1 administrative districts in Russia. The average number of deputies can be taken from different sources to be 868.

A total of 30 deputies.

Everything is very approximate, but it turns out that we have about 90 thousand deputies of all levels. And those who sit in parliament are just a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the mass.

Why is everything not as luxurious as we would like?

I repeat the question: why do we need 90 thousand deputies, of whom 5% are really involved in legislation? Why do we need to break away from the sofas and go to choose someone there? Moreover, these are far from the Zhirinovskys and Mironovs. Nothing is known about them at all.

And they are needed. In theory.

Because it is the deputy who should be weapons electorate against the executive branch. A sort of epic hero, without a miss, striking an adversary (a lazy and snickering official) with a miracle weapon, whose name is a deputy's request.

Yes, earlier DZ was a weapon and a way to make a living. Today, lobbying in our country has actually died, since the legislative and executive powers are represented by a single party. "United Russia". Accordingly, what the officials of "United Russia" bring to their deputies will be accepted. That is, issues related to lawmaking are resolved in ministries, not factions.


Anyone have doubts? So I think not. Everything is very logical and very legal.

Below is absolutely the same complacency. Take any council of deputies in any village or town, and everything will be the same there. The dominance of "United Russia", in which the slightest pressure on the executive branch is simply impossible.

And everyone is just fine. The deputy sits down, going about his business, often developing his personal business, and his party colleagues help him to carry out this noble cause. And he has nothing to do with electorate people, because he is not paid a dime for his work.

No, I absolutely do not call to start feeding 90 thousand of our deputies at our expense. We can hardly afford such a luxury.

Deputies must be CHOSEN.

The real choice is not the way it often happens in our country. It is clear that the most lucrative places like the State Duma and regional legislative assemblies, where budgets are drawn up, go for money. According to party lists. Information about how much the seat costs in which party and the number on the party list are in bulk on the Internet.

And this is also understandable. I myself have personally heard bitter complaints from deputies that it is impossible to "recoup" the money spent in the elections. But again, we created it ourselves. Repeatedly (14 times) participating in elections at various levels, I made the opinion: no one in Russia believes in the fruitfulness of the work of the deputy corps. Although there are deputies at the lower levels who actually did things.

But basically, the entire election campaign turns into an extortionate show, where each participant is trying to snatch something for himself from the deputy. And some did it.

And then conversations and grievances against the deputies began, who did nothing at all. That's right, they went to fight off the money spent on the election.

Business and nothing personal. Alas.

Of course, everything looks completely unsightly. As it was in my city: the candidate from the United Russia, Mr. Oganezov, who had simply insane money in the campaign to elect himself to the City Council, on the fifth day closed all his reception offices and did not bother fulfilling these obligations. And so many do.

Yes, on the one hand, everything looks very sad. But there is also a light at the end of the tunnel.

Today, almost on the eve of the elections, I observe that not only successful managers are becoming deputies. Small businessmen and even workers are coming. “Even a worker” (he is alone in the foreseeable space) even sounds like an anachronism. Greetings from the USSR, when workers and farmers made up the bulk of the people's representatives.

But yes, that was a long time ago. Athletes, show business stars and other "intelligentsia", of course, are more effective. This does not do us honor, because, completely without thinking with our heads, we suddenly elect people who, not only will not work for our good for very specific reasons, they simply do not know how!

The main message of this article is as simple as a crowbar: it seems to me that the time has come not only to look, but to carefully look at those whom we can elect. In general, elections (if not presidential elections) in our country are a really exciting process. Sometimes - with an uncertain outcome.

Yes, we have somehow already got accustomed that the country is ruled by "United Russia", and the suddenly elected mayor of the city from another party is not very good. This is downright nonsense. But, judging by the way the Far East reacts to the "cleaning" of its governor Furgal, there is something in putting in place not just people, but those who will do something for the region.


Fish (and Russia is still a whale) rots from the head. But they always start cleaning it with the tail. The same is in our case. Those who sit high can no longer be removed. The party-list election system will continue to provide Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky with a good meal at our expense. Okay, you can endure, we have enough freeloaders in the state.

But in the localities, at the very bottom, the election of your deputy should not be "back off". These people are much more useful and much more important than those sitting in Moscow. It is clear how our modern State Duma will vote in any situation. "For" everything proposed. Except, perhaps, its self-dissolution with subsequent self-destruction.

It's a pity, by the way.

But in his "district" the deputy simply has to be efficient and his own. And it has become a little easier, more beautiful and more interesting to work not for the sake of your business, but in order to live exactly on its site.

That is why it is necessary to thoughtfully evaluate everyone who wants to please for the people. Because we are all part of this people. And our needs also need to be met. And fight for us with the authorities.

It seemed to me that it was this year that people of a slightly different kind than before went to the parliament. We talked closely with some of them, and not at all for the sake of advertising, but for the sake of you, readers and voters, to draw your own conclusions. And, accordingly, they voted for such or approximately such people.

So this article turned out to be a kind of preamble to the analysis of what our (our, local) deputy should be in the understanding of every citizen. And based on the interviews we have taken, we will conduct such an analysis.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 September 2020 15: 05 New
    +9
    The deputy drives the deputy and the deputy ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 4 September 2020 15: 42 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The deputy drives the deputy and the deputy ...

      Yeah, one deputy for 1533 people .. This is generally a joke .. But the well-known of them are few, because the unknown, do nothing at all .. And those who are famous, just maintain their fame by PR on TV .. But for people, what is called a finger oh finger ... don't
    2. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 6 September 2020 00: 49 New
      +1
      Take a look at the last photo in the article - a veteran on the podium, and next to it is a rogue schweiber with sly eyes.
      Preparing to give the floor to the next ...
      Yes, Russia has a difficult choice ... yes
  2. Alexga
    Alexga 4 September 2020 15: 14 New
    -16
    Guys! Careful! It's like preparing for the events of 2024. It is clear that there is no justice in the full sense of the word, but the mess in life is worse. Russia is saving Belarus, and who will save Russia itself, God forbid, a repetition of 1991 with the last three "Heroes" of the Soviet Union. It will be cheaper to take the necessary measures now.
    1. snake
      snake 4 September 2020 15: 38 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      Guys! Careful! It's like preparing for the events of 2024.

      What kind of events? Will the earth hit the celestial axis?
      And as for the article, to paraphrase one meme: "I never went to the polls, but if Skomorokhov puts up his candidacy, then I will definitely go and vote for him. A candidate from the people!"
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 4 September 2020 17: 50 New
        +7
        And how do we know who is from the people and who is from Edr?
        1. basmach
          basmach 4 September 2020 21: 17 New
          +4
          Yes Easy. Those who are not from the United Russia, as a rule, indicate their party affiliation. And the edrosy have now become "self-nominated". Here Roman would like to say, at the same time, a considerable part of the deputies' salary money goes to the party office (at least to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) - from where the elections of candidates from the party to the city-regional elections are financed. And a lot of money is needed for this.
        2. snake
          snake 4 September 2020 22: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          And how do we know who is from the people and who is from Edr?

          Probably, as Jesus advised: according to their works. We ate our fill of promises.
      2. grad2308
        grad2308 4 September 2020 22: 27 New
        +5
        Roman will be minus now. My comments are already being deleted like: "It doesn't matter which party we have - United Russia, the Communists, the Liberal Democratic Party. But the laws are not enforced. They are funded by the state, and where the real implementation of laws and national projects is verbiage. 20 years of visibility of defending interests. the question is, whose salary is it in the end? When our standard of living in everything becomes better than in Europe, etc., Ukraine and Belarus will strive to us, and other countries as well. " So, the site is not being changed into a discussion platform ....
        1. snake
          snake 4 September 2020 22: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: grad2308
          When our standard of living in everything will be better than in Europe, etc., Ukraine and Belarus will strive for us, as well as other countries.

          I agree. And it is not even necessary that everything is better. The main thing is that justice is felt and some kind of respect between the people and the authorities. Or else the stratification in income, views, attitudes towards the country, etc. like now.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 4 September 2020 15: 45 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      It will be cheaper to take the necessary measures now.

      What measures do you propose to take?
      If you disperse the Duma and the Federation Council, I FOR! There is no sense, only budget money is absorbed.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 4 September 2020 16: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        What measures do you propose to take?

        All supposed servants of the people must be checked on the detector, with the only question: "When making decisions, you first think: 1. About the Motherland. 2 About yourself?" In the current conditions, there is no other way with talkers.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 4 September 2020 18: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: WIKI
          All alleged public servants must be checked on a detector, with a single question:
          No detector can calculate a deputy (even with an electroencephalograph): when he lies, he goes into such a trance that the shaman never dreamed of.
          1. Aag
            Aag 4 September 2020 21: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: sniperino
            Quote: WIKI
            All alleged public servants must be checked on a detector, with a single question:
            No detector can calculate a deputy (even with an electroencephalograph): when he lies, he goes into such a trance that the shaman never dreamed of.

            I agree. Some of them seem to believe in the crap they are carrying. Well, nothing calms down after the elections and either start filling their pockets right away, or "work" to achieve more fatty feeders ... Exceptions from this series are devoured by their comrades - competitors in the "ideological" struggle ...
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 4 September 2020 22: 05 New
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              Quote: AAG
              electroencephalograph
              E, of course.
              1. Aag
                Aag 4 September 2020 22: 10 New
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                Yes, not the point, in this case ... Although I am "anxious" about such things ... good
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 4 September 2020 22: 17 New
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              Quote: AAG
              Some of them seem to believe in the crap they are talking about.
              Rather, they are completely convinced that others believe in their crap and are completely relaxed. It's a joke with an electroencephalograph: such a "polygraph" catches the evoked potentials of the brain even when a stimulus is presented for a time of 1/25 sec., Ie, neither the stimulus nor the reaction is in any way controlled by the subject.
              1. Aag
                Aag 4 September 2020 22: 52 New
                0
                On the first part, I agree.
                On "polygraphs" not in the topic. But, I am sure, even a novice psychologist with basic knowledge, can "filter" such. Only who will give him!)))
        2. nikvic46
          nikvic46 4 September 2020 20: 34 New
          +2
          Svarog. Looks like Mikhail Bulgakov was in a hurry to show Sharikov as a man of Soviet power. Polygraph Sharikov is alive. Yes, and Shvonderov, a dime a dozen. Soon the newlyweds will be checked on a lie detector. And in the family he will be a necessary device, like a TV.
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 4 September 2020 16: 40 New
        +2
        What measures do you propose to take?

        IMHO. It is not necessary to disperse, but voting on party lists is a very muddy business.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 15: 57 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      God forbid, a repetition of 1991 with the last three "Heroes" of the Soviet Union.

      Those in power are the people who arranged 1991.
      Quote: AlexGa
      It will be cheaper to take the necessary measures now.

      And what measures do you want to propose?
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 4 September 2020 16: 06 New
        -11
        Put on a muzzle for resources such as Rain and Echo of Moscow. And remove "The opinion of the editorial board may not coincide with the opinion of the authors." Everyone should be responsible for their words.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 4 September 2020 17: 52 New
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          And the authorities are responsible for their words? Then can they wear a muzzle on them?
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 4 September 2020 17: 56 New
            +4
            And you choose the power. Remember the 91st year, how everyone rejoiced, overthrowing the Soviet power. And now the realities of the path chosen then.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 4 September 2020 17: 59 New
              +6
              You better tell me why you don't call on the authorities to wear a muzzle, but only on Echo and Rain? Do you think all the problems in the country are due to them, even pensions were taken away because of them?
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 4 September 2020 18: 10 New
                -2
                Well, as for the first part of your question, I will answer this way. There is only one way to put a muzzle on the authorities, this is revolution. Are you ready for this, do you have the strength for this? And Dozhd and Echo are two deceitful media outlets, which, based on the coverage of our events in Minsk, in my opinion, are hostile to both Belarus and the Russian Federation. What about pensions? In Russia, this is done in a milder form than in Belarus. And this process is natural, the number of pensioners is increasing, and the number of employees is decreasing in relative terms. And you can't get away from it. If in the subject, in Russia for working pensioners, the amount of the received pension decreases?
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 4 September 2020 19: 18 New
                  +6
                  Many receive a pension of 15 thousand and how can they live? And how to work, for example, at a construction site after 60 years? There has been a lot of debate about pensions, so it's useless to continue.
                  But you can argue about the false organs, I think that the TV is no less lying, it's not even a lie, but a matter of hushing up facts and in a tendentious manner of presenting information.
                  1. Alexga
                    Alexga 4 September 2020 19: 26 New
                    +2
                    But you can argue about the false organs, I think that the TV is no less lying, it's not even a lie, but a matter of hushing up facts and in a tendentious manner of presenting information.

                    In my opinion, the trouble here is that there are no media outlets that honestly give out information. In the Soviet Union, information published in a newspaper was indisputable in court. And now, I already wrote "The opinion of the editorial board may not coincide with the opinion of the authors." In this situation, both TV and the Internet are all one, a swamp of lies. At least in Belarus there are official sources in the media, although the position of the state is clear. Even so, thank God.
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 4 September 2020 21: 54 New
                      +1
                      "... In Belarus, at least there are official sources in the media, although the position of the state is clear ..."
                      And there it enrages many ...
                      And in the Russian Federation, the people are enraged by pension reforms against the background of the unsinkability of individual figures who caused comparable damage, and in the amount clearly exceeded, all pension payments, and corruption (only revealed) exceeding the same indicator!
            2. nikvic46
              nikvic46 4 September 2020 20: 38 New
              +4
              Alexander The one who had nothing to do was jubilant, and the main part had work, and no one gave a damn about what was happening. Gorbach hooked the people to the limit.
        2. Revival
          Revival 4 September 2020 18: 53 New
          +1
          When there is a guarantee that everyone, then I am right behind.
          Until everyone answered even the most famous ..
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  3. _Sergei_
    _Sergei_ 4 September 2020 15: 18 New
    -12
    Soon however elections. Articles were published about elections. fellow ... The author is not accepted as a deputy. It's a shame, however. Or have you looked after a place for yourself?
  4. prior
    prior 4 September 2020 15: 21 New
    +8
    Deputies are my deputies, what the hell are you looking for me ?!
  5. Woodman
    Woodman 4 September 2020 15: 24 New
    +8
    Athletes, show business stars and other "intelligentsia", of course, are more effective. This does not honor us, because, completely without thinking with our heads, we suddenly elect people who, not only will not work for our good for very specific reasons, they simply do not know how!
    I would have legally prohibited such people from being elected to deputies. But given their number among the deputies, such an initiative will clearly not work ...
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  7. BAI
    BAI 4 September 2020 15: 53 New
    +5
    what should be our (own, local) deputy in the understanding of every citizen. And based on the interviews we have taken, we will conduct such an analysis.

    And the result of the analysis will be:
    Where, indicate to us, Fatherland fathers,
    Which should we take for samples ?!
  8. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 4 September 2020 16: 06 New
    +2
    "It turns out to be a funny situation. Has anyone even asked himself the question, why are the village and municipal deputies needed? They do not adopt any laws, unlike their" older "brothers, they do not actually affect the distribution of the budget."
    Seriously? Any municipality includes many villages and towns. And the Duma there adopts legislative acts, including on the budget. It would not hurt the author to familiarize himself with the law on local self-government.
    I can also agree that seats are bought when it comes to elections to the regional duma or a large city. Small municipalities have beggarly budgets. And there are no people especially willing to go there.
    I am not a supporter of United Russia, but at least in Tomsk I did not notice any kind of dominance in the media. But Navalny's supporters are throwing mud at everyone. They rolled out Navalny's film about Tomsk, in which there are a lot of lies. One of their candidates for Navalny, Ksenia Fadeeva, who lives in a decent apartment in the city center at the age of 28, drives her car in Navalny's film. I went to their website for the sake of interest, because in their election campaign there is only one "blah-blah-blah". No specifics. In the film, they managed to pull United Russia into business when there was no such party. I definitely won't vote for such people. Throwing this video even in groups in WhatsApp, which have nothing to do with politics. Moreover, those who disagree are also sowed with mud and actively use profanity.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 16: 38 New
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      Quote: From Tomsk
      Seriously? Any municipality includes many villages and towns. And the Duma there adopts legislative acts, including on the budget.

      My "village duma" adopts those legislative acts that are needed by our head, a member of the United Russia. And people who are exclusively needed by the head are elected to the "village deputies". The head always has enough levers of pressure on villagers. From SES (manure storage should be on concrete sites, etc.), to veterinarians (for pigs). So the author is right, such deputies are not needed.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 4 September 2020 17: 53 New
        +2
        Alexey, your electoral system was created for the simplest legislative administration of the state. voting for a party when you practically do not know the persons who will pass the laws by which the country will live is a very dubious matter. And parties, as a rule, include famous people in their lists, but an athlete or actor, in my opinion, is not able to correctly assess the proposed legislative act and votes based on corporate interest. That is why I am very wary of the political unification of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. There are problems here too. But what is, that is. And it is impossible to change such a system now.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 18: 20 New
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          Quote: AlexGa
          Alexey, your electoral system was created for the simplest legislative administration of the state. voting for a party when you practically do not know the persons who will pass the laws by which the country will live is a very dubious matter.

          Our, however, like yours, electoral systems were created not for expressing the will of the majority of the population, but only for expressing the will of the nasty elite. In principle, they are no different.
          Quote: AlexGa
          That is why I am very wary of the issues of political unification of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. There are problems here too.

          You Belarusians, this is not why you should be wary of unification. Lukashenko bargains and acts in the interests of the local bourgeoisie, he is categorically against such a union, which our bourgeoisie offers. The absorption of Belarus by Russian capital does not suit him at all. Your bourgeoisie is dissatisfied with too slow privatization. Look, this very privatization sticks out of every program of the opposition candidate. This is what you need to be wary of, and the electoral systems in any bourgeois state are no different in principle.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 4 September 2020 18: 36 New
            +5
            Lukashenko bargains and acts in the interests of the local bourgeoisie, he is categorically against such a union, which is proposed by our bourgeoisie.

            Alexey, here is a little different. You mention the local bourgeoisie, but I can't even remember the names of these people without the Internet. Private business grew from scratch, and the enterprises that remained from Soviet times were not privatized like yours, and the state remained the owner. There are, of course, exceptions, for example, the Mozyr Oil Refinery, but this is an isolated case. And this is where the fun begins. We argue purely hypothetically. Belarus is a part of the Russian Federation, it does not matter, by regions or autonomy, the main Belarusian state ceases to exist. And as the owner of the enterprises also disappears. And what will happen to these enterprises in the future, of course, they will be privatized, and where will the money go? There is no answer to this question. Well, let's say the Russian state. But after the sale of Sberbank by the State Bank of Russia to the government of the Russian Federation, I understand that someone sold something to someone, but the money went to the godfather. What, the government of the Russian Federation and the Bank of the Russian Federation is that, in different countries. And then Belarusian enterprises appear. So Luka can be understood.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 18: 53 New
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              Quote: AlexGa
              understandably, they will privatize, but where will the money go? There is no answer to this question.

              The answer to this question is extremely simple. They will settle in their pockets and settle in offshore areas, in the end. Some enterprises will be closed because they compete with ours. Some of them will be sold to "foreign investors", as Avtovaz was sold. In place of some, beautiful residential and shopping complexes will be built. Collective farms will slowly buy up some kind of weaver or peace trade. In general, everything will be like ours. But strictly speaking, you are slowly moving in this direction without us. The speed of movement, however, is small and strongly does not suit your oppositionists.
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 4 September 2020 19: 05 New
                +6
                Yes, that's understandable. That is why Belarus is not particularly enthusiastic about joining the Russian Federation.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 19: 54 New
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                  Quote: AlexGa
                  Yes, that's understandable. That is why Belarus is not particularly enthusiastic about joining the Russian Federation.

                  And there is only one way out for you, for us, and for Ukraine. Change in the socio-economic formation.
                  1. Alexga
                    Alexga 4 September 2020 21: 11 New
                    +4
                    And in the union is also our common way out. But our southern neighbors are in trouble, they need Stalin with his entire NKVD apparatus. I have a second half of my relatives from Eastern Siberia, so they have a very difficult attitude towards Ukrainians. The Bandera families were exiled to them from western Ukraine in the fifties.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 21: 20 New
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                      Quote: AlexGa
                      And in the union is also our common way out.

                      My father is from Donbass, and my mother is from Siberia. I am also half Ukrainian. As for nationalism (fascism, comparativism), it is the standard weapon of the oligarchy against the left. I have nothing to share with an English miner or a Polish milling machine. As for the poorly educated rural population, as well as the "highly intelligent" office plankton, then yes, everything is much more complicated here.
                      1. Alexga
                        Alexga 4 September 2020 21: 34 New
                        +4
                        At the expense of the rich. With all our events, they say that a riot of the rich is taking place in Belarus. T. N. office plankton and middle managers. This is the bulk. So they don't know what a rebellion of the poor is. Here it looks more and more like the events of the collapse of the Union. In Belarus, the collapse was painless enough, there was no blood flow in the streets. Honestly, it was Lukashenka’s merit when he held a referendum, adopted a normal constitution, and dissolved the nationalist parliament in 1996. Here is a kind of Soviet Union, so there will be no problems with the creation of a socio-economic formation. I think so.
                      2. Alexga
                        Alexga 4 September 2020 21: 49 New
                        +4
                        I'll tell you about the Polish milling machine. Once while on vacation in Irkutsk, they took me to their village on the Angara. And there they brought the Poles on a visit after the defeat of their uprising in 1863, and so, his name was Cheslav Vaclavovich. And when he found out that I lived in Belarus, he switched to Polish. Can you imagine where is Angara, where is Poland, how many years have passed, and he considers himself a Pole, although what is the share of Polish blood? But Rzeczpospolita from sea to sea is a sacred concept for him. There will be no friendship with them.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 22: 24 New
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                        Quote: AlexGa
                        There will be no friendship with them.

                        Under the USSR, we went to Romania for 2 years. My father had a business trip, they were building a chemical plant. My father was involved in the commissioning of air separation compressors. Germans, Japanese and many others lived with us in the hotel. We were good friends with the Germans and Japanese, they went to visit each other, drank vodka. In the German group there was a sailor who fought in the Baltic in WWII and in the Soviet group there was a sailor who fought there. They were friends, drank together and remembered where whose ship was, who was looking for whom, who was hiding from whom. I was little, I don't remember the names of the ships, of course, but if the last war did not stand between them, then what can we say? German FRG-shny, by the way was. I think that everything depends only on people.
                      4. Alexga
                        Alexga 4 September 2020 23: 22 New
                        +4
                        it was the times of the USSR, the country that won the war. The USSR is over and friends have become enemies. Look who is on our side of the barricade, only Russia, Belarus and Mongolia. China is on its own. Our Central Asia and Kazakhstan are questionable. Well, Venezuela is still, but it is far away. And there are no friends among the neighbors.
  • Avior
    Avior 4 September 2020 16: 40 New
    +1
    Will you vote for the EP, though not a supporter?
    1. From Tomsk
      From Tomsk 4 September 2020 17: 52 New
      +4
      Good question. Lots of "muddy" candidates this year. We have some "New People" for example, who promise to make bike paths). Last time I voted against. While in thought. I don't like all this. It is very similar to how we were "thrown" in 96 by Yeltsin and "his" team.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 4 September 2020 16: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: From Tomsk
    "It turns out to be a funny situation. Has anyone even asked himself the question, why are the village and municipal deputies needed? They do not adopt any laws, unlike their" older "brothers, they do not actually affect the distribution of the budget."
    Seriously? Any municipality includes many villages and towns. And the Duma there adopts legislative acts, including on the budget. It would not hurt the author to familiarize himself with the law on local self-government.
    Small municipalities have beggarly budgets. And there are no people especially willing to go there.

    Sinner, what's the point that they vote, because they vote for adoption? What, can you give an example that the budget was rejected and forced to do a new one, and not amendments changing it by 5% maximum? And why is the body always telling the administration - YES? In general, we have a representative body in our country, when did the executive make him do something or not? There was a case in the Stavropol Territory, spravedlivorosy came in 2008 and began to zaginat the governor, a month later, Moscow time has determined: the main ones under investigation, the governor nafig, the rest vote as they should .. and? What are they needed for? for the appearance of democracy?
    P.S. I have never seen that the elections would not take place due to the absence of candidates ..
    And Law 131-FZ .. well, yes .. there is one ..
    1. From Tomsk
      From Tomsk 4 September 2020 18: 21 New
      +4
      Criticism is always good. Only now, criticize - suggest. In our country, the opposition promises to renew, for example, electric vehicles (the only intelligible proposal from their campaign). And what kind of shisha, excuse me, if the budget is the same? For some reason, our entire pre-election campaign is reduced to slogans. The Tomsk Region is giving 76 kopecks per ruble of taxes to the federal budget. And from the fact that the composition of the City Duma will change, interbudgetary relations will not change. It's about people Example? Yes please. There is such a village in the suburb of Tomsk - Timiryazevo. In the 90s, the village club, where the museum was located, began to fall apart. Literally. Locals, local administrations and entrepreneurs just built a museum and library from scratch. By the way, this is the only "Forest Museum" in Russia, and by the way is very popular with foreign tourists. And our children go there every day, do not surf the Internet, but read books in the library, communicate.
      1. Revival
        Revival 4 September 2020 19: 06 New
        +1
        For "offer", under any guise, the consequences may come "democratic"
        1. From Tomsk
          From Tomsk 4 September 2020 19: 19 New
          +1
          That's the whole point. Apart from "high-profile" investigations, I have not heard anything in essence.
          1. Revival
            Revival 4 September 2020 19: 29 New
            +1
            And that they themselves should initiate the case?
            And for the "offer" article may be formed
            1. From Tomsk
              From Tomsk 4 September 2020 19: 39 New
              +1
              Well, "form" an article for me. Or are you "Navalny's supporters" only "bazaar" can you?
              1. Revival
                Revival 4 September 2020 19: 47 New
                +1
                1. I am not a supporter of the bulk, "not a bazaar."
                2. Start to offer, the article will be found
                1. From Tomsk
                  From Tomsk 4 September 2020 20: 08 New
                  0
                  2500 comments per year? Clear.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 4 September 2020 21: 15 New
                    +1
                    This is of course an indicator!
                    Logic of course ...
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 4 September 2020 20: 34 New
        0
        Sinner, what to offer? I agree with the article .. I propose to reduce the parasites .. and what did you answer in my answer? where does the opposition and 76 kopecks to the federal budget in general? I didn't say a word about it .. You yourself write "because the composition will change city ​​council inter-budgetary relations will not change. "and" Local residents, local administrations and entrepreneurs just made a museum and a library. " (not deputies) .. well? those. Do you also agree with the actual uselessness of the deputies, or what?
        1. From Tomsk
          From Tomsk 4 September 2020 21: 05 New
          +1
          Not true! The deputies from our district also participated in this! And they invested their money, not from the budget! Municipal deputies do not receive a salary, what kind of parasites are they? I have no complaints about the administration or local deputies. Well, yes, we have a "United Russia", which conducts a karate section for children free of charge, well, how free, for 500 rubles a month to pay for the rent of the hall. If in your city public control over the deputies has been lost, then this is the wrong question. Today, at local Tomsk forums and in vatsap, they poured mud on me, "United Russia" is the most harmless thing that I was told. The rest is profanity.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 5 September 2020 03: 18 New
            +1
            1.Let it be so with you .. But this does not change the question, why are they needed, if everyone votes - For? Well, okay, they don't get paid ... but their chairman is paid? contain municipal employees conducting their activities? on the office and TP organizational costs for their activities - spend? the premises occupy, which for example can be used for children's sections? and now count for thousands of districts a year? what for? what was it? and to spend money on charity and good deeds, in general, it is not necessary to be a deputy, right?
            2. Public control over the deputies .. sounds good .. like in the law 131m .. but try to remember - when we had the procedure for recalling a poorly working deputy - the voters - was used? are they really all so good working and there is no one to recall in the country? Here's all the control for you ..
  • NF68
    NF68 4 September 2020 16: 24 New
    +4
    Tell me, what problems do the deputies have? But there is. And the main problem is elections.


    The main problem of the deputies is to get enough sleep at the Duma sessions and at the same time not get into the camera lens.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 4 September 2020 16: 27 New
    -7
    The author drowns behind the Maidan in Belarus in his articles, at the same time happily talks about the achievements of Ukraine, and now he talks about the deputies in Russia. And he does not really succeed in any direction. Circles on the water.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 4 September 2020 16: 39 New
      19
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The author drowns behind the Maidan in Belarus in his articles, at the same time happily talks about the achievements of Ukraine, and now he talks about the deputies in Russia. And he does not really succeed in any direction. Circles on the water.

      You are wrong, please read it carefully.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 4 September 2020 20: 33 New
        -2
        These are not the works of Vladimir Ilyich, there is no need to re-read the poured bile.
    2. Alexga
      Alexga 4 September 2020 16: 46 New
      -6
      What the author writes is simply called discrediting the authorities. It doesn't matter if this government is good or bad. A classic example of the methods of "color" revolutions is to create doubts among people about the legitimacy of the government as a whole or of individual representatives of this government.
      1. Revival
        Revival 4 September 2020 19: 01 New
        +2
        Also, according to your logic, the first channel discredits, there was a story about Arashukov, and he was a representative
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 4 September 2020 19: 10 New
          +2
          The thief should be in prison, and the first channel brought information about what happened to the viewers. These are two different things.
      2. Revival
        Revival 4 September 2020 19: 04 New
        +1
        Discrediting something is spreading lies.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 4 September 2020 16: 52 New
    +4
    For the article to the Author - 5 +++ !!! drinks good soldier

    And everyone is just fine. The deputy sits down, going about his business, often developing his personal business, and his party colleagues help him to carry out this noble cause. And he has nothing to do with electorate people, because he is not paid a dime for his work.


    Well, here we need "the support of the masses of the population" who have elected a deputy - a "grassroots deputy" of the village level, for example ... as we had in a village near Moscow ... that would not be like in the article:

    But in his "district" the deputy simply has to be efficient and his own. And it has become a little easier, more beautiful and more interesting to work not for the sake of your business, but in order to live exactly on its site.

    When we in a village near Moscow "sawed money" for new asphalt in the village, a "group of responsible voters" gathered and forced to redo everything for the deputy's money)))
  • tacet
    tacet 4 September 2020 16: 58 New
    +2
    By the way, this year ALL (including EP) surpassed "New People" in terms of the number of print advertising (I don't like them at all)
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 4 September 2020 19: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: tacet
      "New People" (I don't like them at all)
      From what? And you can find something good in them: these people, for example, have a clearly good appetite.
      In addition, in their "program" they only stand for everything good ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 September 2020 18: 26 New
    +3
    That should not be confused, the Soviet system with the present, there are two big differences regarding the deputy ... In my opinion, the Soviet system was more effective and less costly ...
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 4 September 2020 18: 48 New
    +2
    But in his "district" the deputy simply has to be efficient and his own.

    Alas, fantastic. For all levels. The higher the deputy, the fatter and bolder his muzzle. (I will not pick up other characteristics).
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 September 2020 19: 03 New
    +2
    The topic is ripe of course. I judge by my regional center for 10k residents. 8 deputies from districts, all entrepreneurs (mostly shops, but there were also farmers. One only worked and tried to do something better in the city, unearthed corruption schemes to the regional television, and reached the governor with the city's problems. folk fathers and a hoof in the chest and after that silence.) As a result, until the population began to block the federal highway Barnaul Novosibirsk and because of this, the governor of the region did not come to the city for a week with a showdown - the social heating main road and housing and communal services were completely out of order for 10 years. In general, then this add-on does not work in any way? By the way, that deputy who did work in the end spat and scored on all this and no longer under any guise he will not participate in this because it is useless to do something alone. ...
  • seacap
    seacap 4 September 2020 23: 17 New
    +1
    An imitation of some kind of mythical democracy, look, we also have everything like people, we even have some parties, oh, look even a lot of parties. T.N. deputies who do not represent anyone, are not responsible for anything, who do not care about the results of their decisions, do not depend in any way on the state of affairs in the regions they allegedly represent, are inviolable and live according to other laws, of another country, what is the point in these parasites with huge salaries and zero productivity. There is also a mythical SF, an almost parallel structure, again representing someone there and imitating vigorous activity, everything about SF is clear anyway. An inherited boyar class of ghouls was created, living according to the laws they themselves wrote for their beloved, in no way connected with the people and the country. In the USSR, the deputy had a specific name and surname, represented specific people, had a specific permanent workplace, where he returned after the end of his mandate, periodically leaving for sessions to participate in meetings, lived according to the same laws as the whole people. , I will never forget how they jumped up at the head of the speaker (even here the words of Russian were not found, everything should be as it was, we are the same as they), met a shabby transatlantic deputy who accidentally got into the hall, confusing the doors, it's good did not fall on their knees, who a few days later voted for sanctions against us. How many passports of other states, villas and so on do not have in their native country where their children study and live, they do not associate their future and their children with this country, they hate it and despise this people, because. they have to vegetate here, at the trough, and not use their villas on the warm shore. There are, of course, decent people whom they themselves spread rot and kill there, and in the literal sense of the word, get rid of them in any way. , foundations, governmental and non-governmental, ngos, etc. have already bred like fleas on a dog, whoever I am, but I will not work anyway.
  • grad2308
    grad2308 4 September 2020 23: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: From Tomsk
    Well, yes, we have "United Russia", which conducts a karate section for children free of charge, well, how free, for 500 rubles a month to pay for the rent of the hall.
    You can be envied! It is worth remembering about Poklonskaya N.V., who was the only one from United Russia in the State Duma to vote against increasing the retirement age. Being a deputy is a responsibility to the voters and to oneself! So, one in the field is not a warrior. If the majority of deputies take care of the country, and not their own pocket, only then the standard of living in general can improve.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 September 2020 09: 27 New
    +1
    In our country, the Liberal Democratic Party has been winning for a long time, thanks to the normal, human, act of only ONE representative of that party.
    It happens!
    But representatives of other parties prefer to stick up banners and chat on TV ...
    Textbooks on political struggle, this is not about them.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 5 September 2020 13: 47 New
    0
    The main message of this article is as simple as a crowbar: it seems to me that the time has come not only to look, but to carefully look at those whom we can elect.

    This rarely happens, but I completely agree with the author. But here's what a "squiggle". A lot of political science studies speak about the inverse relationship between the political activity of the population and its standard of living. This means that the degree of dissatisfaction with their lives among the population has not yet brought them to some tangible political activity. This is where we are all talking about the fact that in Russia everything is horror-horror. And normal ordinary people do not see anything super-catastrophic in their being. And to urge them in this familiar life to do what they are not used to doing is (excuse the pun) not very effective. After all, we first say that nothing essentially depends on local deputies and immediately propose to do active work with the brain to find information, assimilate it, compare different people who usually say what is expected of them, and choose one of them ... The bottom line of what he said: calls for the manifestation of thoughtful activity during elections must be accompanied by an explanation of what this can bring to the real life of the voter in a particular territory, as well as how you can force the elected deputy to fulfill the promise when he does not quite want it.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 5 September 2020 14: 57 New
    +1
    Yes, local deputies have no powers. But through them information passes through which it is possible to draw conclusions about the "squeal of a saw" in the allocation of the budget, to raise noise and prevent "respected" people from "taking care" of the population. Therefore, anyhow, who is not allowed into the deputies. And the "verified" deputies themselves are also trying to prevent information leakage from their open sessions. Recently there was a scandal: a man came to meetings of deputies and filmed them on a mobile phone. They tried to drive the man out. According to the law, this could not be done, so they passed a law against him, which was then canceled by the court!
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 September 2020 21: 55 New
      +1
      Well, there were some decent ones among our village deputies. We defended a plot for building a kindergarten. The mayor wanted to give it to swindlers so that the casino was built under the guise of a cafe. But what our deputies could not do is to encourage the administration to attract investors in order to create at least one production, albeit small, but localized in our country. So that taxes go to the budget, we have it - beggarly, and among the residents there are also unemployed.

      It seems to me that the value of a deputy of a small settlement is that he is not on salary, does not eat up public money and, as best he can, tries to improve people's lives. After all, such a deputy is in sight, everyone knows him. This is how it looks at least in theory. Which in my village is confirmed by practice. While it is confirmed. What will happen next is unknown.

      But the city deputy, district, regional and even more so - this is something else. The voter knows them only from their election posters, and it seems that the authorities deliberately escort the most initiative idiots to such deputies who, having no entrepreneurial ability, but wanting money and not getting it, can find each other and degenerate into political opposition to the authorities ... Especially if these are famous athletes who have played their role, burned out artists, famous people who have not achieved the desired material well-being in any professions. Pushing the most dangerous noisy and ambitious people into paid and lobbied councils of different levels is a benefit for the authorities, a loss for society. But, on the other hand, oddly enough, it turns out that, on the whole, such an approach allows the country to exist, which since 92 has taken the path of de-industrialization and suppression of entrepreneurial initiative.
      Once upon a time, only 20 thousand Bolsheviks led and carried out the Great October Socialist Revolution. But that was the benefit for the country. And then you involuntarily wonder: what are 90 thousand initiative idiots, burdened not with a creative ideology, but with an unconditioned reflex of enrichment, capable of? Better to sit than tear the country to shreds. And we will call it democracy.

      The overwhelming amount of bureaucracy can be attributed to a number of energetic cretins for the unnecessary functions they perform. Everyone says, and I say: we need to reduce! And what to do with them? There are millions of them! And they don't know how to do anything. Most of them are not able to organize any business of their own, they are not entrepreneurs by nature, they are executors. Now they are attached and society feeds them in gratitude for the redundancy and often uselessness of their functions. But imagine that, accustomed to eating well, they are suddenly fired overnight.

      Why am I talking about bureaucrats when I talk about elections? Because for me a deputy is a bureaucrat. They are symbiosis. And neither the deputy nor the bureaucrat will ever agree to reduce the number of their seats. And never, neither a deputy nor a bureaucrat will become the initiators of a new powerful industrialization of the country. Which will need their white hands as workers.
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 6 September 2020 20: 18 New
    +1
    The problem of democracy in Russia, - the absence of democracy ..., the word democracy is, but democracy as a phenomenon is not. This is a historical fact, as well as the lack of order ....., "History of the Russian State" by A. K. Tolstoy. The last liquidation of democracy was carried out by the VKP (b) - the CPSU from 1936 and completed in 1989-93, 1936 - the liquidation of Soviet power and its replacement by the dictatorship of the nomenclature, 1981-1993, the final registration of the nomenclature-organic power. From this point of view, a real step towards the restoration of democracy in the country would be the creation of local self-government previously known as the Zemstvos, and the Councils of People's Deputies ... nothing new under the moon.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 7 September 2020 12: 12 New
    +2
    The deputies of workers 'and peasants' deputies had to solve problems that are now absolutely irrelevant. Moreover, their functions, as they were lost in the War, never returned to normal, and their primary task did not coincide with the desires of almost the entire state elite. Even Stalin failed ...
    And our modern deputy is a way to get money. Basically, by adopting all sorts of amendments, regional standards, distributing all sorts of permits and other tricks, for which there is only enough cunning and meanness. This whole comedy with elections and deputies has no meaning for the life of the people, except for the deterioration of this very life. It is absolutely pointless to play a game where you only pay, and in principle you cannot win anything.
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 September 2020 00: 22 New
      0
      Exactly. I have already addressed a deputy in the State Duma through the local council of deputies. The answer came: not included in the function. And one place to raise and stir up the one whose functions include is not about the State Duma. I'm not Putin.
  • engineer alex
    engineer alex 7 September 2020 13: 50 New
    +1
    The entire deputy corps is just a game of democracy. After all, the king decides everything.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 7 September 2020 14: 43 New
    +2
    In order for a deputy to "work not for the sake of business" (his own business, as the author had in mind), for this it is necessary to EXTEND BUSINESS FROM GOVERNMENT. And this is impossible in a capitalist country, and even ideologically criminal in our native oligarchic Motherland. So we have such an article in the style of "Lord, why did this happen to me ?!" - because! ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 September 2020 09: 25 New
    +1
    Even from the photo you can see - a swindler on a swindler. And 70% of them are from the PZhV party.
    Alas, this is the choice of Russia.

    And with electronic voting in general, any numbers can be drawn (RB witness).
    So polished plump faces will rule for life. And now their grandchildren are becoming directors and are approaching the Kremlin ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 September 2020 00: 34 New
      0
      Realizing these moods of ours and taking into account Khabarovsk and Belarus, Panfilova started to move the elections from September 13 to spring. Motivates with the coronavirus, but is afraid of excesses as a result of an unfair vote count. He understands that the three-day voting may not work, the people are angry. And now information has already gone that the coronavirus is gaining strength out of the blue and threatens to turn into a storm.