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"Most likely, they will work like the S-300 in Syria": readers of the Polish press try to evaluate the S-500 Prometheus air defense system

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In the Polish media, materials are published that are dedicated to testing and the imminent adoption of the latest S-500 anti-aircraft missile systems into service by the Russian army.


In the material of the publication Defense24 it is said that while "tests of the simplified configuration of the S-500 Prometheus" are being carried out.

The Polish author refers to representatives of the Russian government, including Yuri Borisov, who made a statement at the Army 2020 military-technical forum.

The Polish publication says that earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the start of deliveries of S-500 air defense systems to the troops in 2020.

From the article:

However, in February of this year, Russia's hopes were dispelled by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, who announced that the introduction of a new air defense system for mass production of troops would not begin until 2025.

Polish interest in the S-500 "Prometheus" theme is connected, among other things, with Warsaw's desire to buy a batch of fifth-generation F-35 fighters from Washington. The potential deployment of the S-500 "Prometheus" air defense system near Kaliningrad can nullify the effectiveness of Poland's likely acquisition of American fighters, which will also cost a round sum for the Polish treasury.

Here are some comments from readers of the Polish media.

Nice marketing name "simplified version". Anyway, if you trace history the creation of the S-400, it was exactly the same before, and today, 20 years after it entered service, the S-400 still does not have missiles that were supposed to make it a long-range system.


What 20 years of the S-400 being in service with the RF Armed Forces are we talking about? The complexes were put into service with Russian air defense units and formations in 2007. And how can a Polish reader have accurate information about what the S-400 systems are?

Other comments not without an attempt to offend Russia:

Most likely, they will work like the S-300 in Syria.

The strength and power of Russia is an empty shell.

But if it’s a dummy, why does NATO and Poland itself react violently, for example, to Russia's deployment of missile systems in the Kaliningrad region?

Other comments:

Aren't those who laugh at the Russian weapons, trolls who are trying to make people believe that there is nothing Russia can do.

By making fun of someone or something, we achieved the title of world champion. At the same time, it all looks like we ourselves are standing without pants in the rain.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 August 2020 08: 10 New
    +8
    Psheki stupidly troll everything connected with Russia. They should know that - "The one who laughs last laughs well"
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 31 August 2020 08: 21 New
      14
      no one knows what c500 is, why talk about it?
      1. dorz
        dorz 31 August 2020 08: 37 New
        +3
        We have long ceased to be afraid ...
        1. Adam Khomich
          Adam Khomich 31 August 2020 09: 54 New
          0
          Quote: dorz
          We have long ceased to be afraid ...

          We are kind, we should not be afraid.
        2. anykin
          anykin 31 August 2020 10: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: dorz
          We have long ceased to be afraid ...

          But Western propaganda is stubbornly fighting this.
          1. snake
            snake 31 August 2020 11: 26 New
            -3
            Quote: anykin
            Quote: dorz
            We have long ceased to be afraid ...

            But Western propaganda is stubbornly fighting this.

            Russian is also not lagging behind. True, all these shocks with weapons and concussion of the air are aimed at the domestic consumer ... Europeans remember that Uncle Zbiga spoke about the Russian elites.
            1. anykin
              anykin 31 August 2020 11: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: serpent
              Europeans remember that Uncle Zbiga spoke about the Russian elite.

              If everything is bought, then propaganda is not needed.
              1. snake
                snake 31 August 2020 12: 00 New
                -1
                Quote: anykin
                If everything is bought, then propaganda is not needed.

                For the especially gifted: the elite has been bought, and the population must be spilled on the subject "let us unite! Enemies are all around!"
                1. anykin
                  anykin 31 August 2020 12: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: serpent
                  "Let's unite! enemies are all around!"

                  For example? Did the ESovtsy turn up against the Georgians and Ukrainians, whose elite was bought?
                  1. snake
                    snake 31 August 2020 13: 03 New
                    -1
                    Quote: anykin
                    For example? Did the ESovtsy turn up against the Georgians and Ukrainians, whose elite was bought?

                    For the gifted: This is Russian domestic propaganda.
                    1. anykin
                      anykin 31 August 2020 15: 32 New
                      0
                      Quote: serpent
                      For the gifted: This is Russian domestic propaganda.

                      Initially, I was talking about Western propaganda. And he gave an example of the lack of creating an image of the enemy with the purchased elites.
                      1. snake
                        snake 31 August 2020 18: 06 New
                        -1
                        Quote: anykin
                        Initially, I was talking about Western propaganda.

                        And I added - about the Russian one. Your comparison of the limitrophe countries with the storage country is incorrect.
                      2. anykin
                        anykin 31 August 2020 18: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Your comparison of the limitrophe countries with the storage country is incorrect.

                        Propaganda is one. If countries are in the same cage, then they do not represent each other as enemies.
                      3. snake
                        snake 31 August 2020 19: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: anykin
                        If countries are in the same cage, then they do not represent each other as enemies.

                        And if one country is in the cage and the government of another country (without the people)? To cover up the comprador essence of this power, you need to play along with it in creating the image of an external enemy.
                      4. anykin
                        anykin 31 August 2020 21: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        this government needs to play along

                        Fantasy. Give examples. Where pro-Western elites came to power, laws are redrawn instantly and receive praise in the Western media.
                      5. snake
                        snake 31 August 2020 23: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: anykin
                        Give examples.

                        We live in this example. Our elite in the West has children, money, real estate, etc. While their elite has nothing of the kind in Russia. So this elite is firmly seized in one place and will do what is ordered in the West.
                      6. anykin
                        anykin 31 August 2020 23: 25 New
                        -1
                        There are no examples, only assumptions. Pointless conversation.
  2. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 31 August 2020 14: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: serpent
    Europeans remember that Uncle Zbiga spoke about the Russian elite.

    and they also began to guess that uncle Zbiga promised from three boxes and courageously died, and for some reason Russia does not obey and does not fall apart request and even somehow the other way around ...
    1. snake
      snake 31 August 2020 18: 13 New
      0
      Quote: SanichSan
      and Russia for some reason does not obey and does not fall apart request and even somehow the other way around ...

      And why should Russia fall apart, if, and so, the raw materials from it are exported as much and what they want? The Far East is emptying - Staver wrote an article about this recently. And so Russia is getting stronger, of course ... getting stronger ...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 September 2020 15: 31 New
        0
        Quote: serpent
        And why should Russia fall apart, if, and so, the raw materials from it are exported as much and what they want?

        ah ah ah .. what a rough substitution of concepts wink if you don't know, they take out and buy - these are very different things yes
        Quote: serpent
        The Far East is emptying - Staver wrote an article about this recently.

        was reading. Yaroslavna's cry ... as usual, about the fact that they themselves ruined the cry as the intrigues of the regime, but about what they are building we are silent. cheap propaganda, and anti-Russian ...
        Quote: serpent
        And so Russia is getting stronger, of course ... getting stronger ...

        yes, certainly not like in 90-2000. yes
        1. snake
          snake 2 September 2020 16: 51 New
          0
          Quote: SanichSan
          ah ah ah .. what a rough substitution of concepts wink if you don't know, they take out and buy - these are very different things yes

          For the population, this is essentially how it turns out. The raw materials are taken out and sold, the money is in the pocket of the stop-managers, the population is a fig with butter.
          Quote: SanichSan
          Yaroslavna's cry ... as usual, about the fact that they themselves destroyed

          What, the people are not the same?
          Quote: SanichSan
          yes, certainly not like in 90-2000.

          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 2 September 2020 17: 24 New
            0
            Quote: serpent
            For the population, this is essentially how it turns out. The raw materials are taken out and sold, the money is in the pocket of the stop-managers, the population is a fig with butter.

            Well, this is just an outright lie. request at least reserve funds are generated from these sales. Are you too carried away by political pedophilia and no longer understand that only a primary school student will behave to such a primitive falsification? bully
            Quote: serpent
            What, the people are not the same?

            no no no. this is your liberal slogan! laughing
            1. snake
              snake 2 September 2020 19: 36 New
              0
              Quote: SanichSan
              at least reserve funds are generated from these sales.

              And where are these reserve funds? Are top managers going to cover the costs? The same Gazprom.
              Russia is about to take on a debt that is record for 15 years.
              https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/44699625-rossiya-sobralas-vzyat-rekordnyy-za-15-let-dolg/
              Quote: SanichSan
              you are too addicted to political pedophilia

              This is something new ... Your know-how or what? Politics through the prism of Freudianism?
              Quote: SanichSan
              no no no. this is your liberal slogan!

              And who wrote that it was we who ruined everything ourselves?
              Quote: SanichSan
              about the fact that they themselves ruined the orem as the intrigues of the regime
            2. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 2 September 2020 22: 07 New
              0
              Quote: serpent
              And where are these reserve funds?

              payments for children not? did not hear? and the vaccine happened by chance? the construction of new hospitals probably FBK Navalny financed? bully
              why am I writing this? request even if you poke your face into the facts, you will not turn off your howls.
              Quote: serpent
              This is something new ... Your know-how or what? Politics through the prism of Freudianism?

              not. just people like you, batsuny with a burnt, have become so degraded that apart from primitive nonsense, which can only be carried on by schoolchildren, you cannot give anything away request
              Quote: serpent
              And who wrote that it was we who ruined everything ourselves?

              and you like not involved? for "freedom and democracy" did not jump in the 90s? not? and I remember how we rode. and now like "ruined everything as a redhead"? wassat Oh well...

              the continuation of the discussion is not interesting to me. get a new training manual, let's try again. the old one is bored.
              Total... hi
            3. snake
              snake 3 September 2020 12: 16 New
              -2
              Quote: SanichSan
              payments for children not? did not hear?

              Our country consists of only children or what? But what about Siluanov said that there is no money for support during quarantine at all? So where are they reserve funds when you need them? A trip to Cyprus is in the accounts ...
              Quote: SanichSan
              and the vaccine happened by chance?

              Inject this cloudy vaccine into your tail and mane.
              Quote: SanichSan
              and you like not involved? for "freedom and democracy" did not jump in the 90s?

              I didn't jump. They rode mainly in the capital.
              Quote: SanichSan
              the continuation of the discussion is not interesting to me. get a new training manual, let's try again. the old one is bored.

              Like a dove from an anecdote - scattered the figures, shit nadosk and proudly flew off into the distance, screaming about his victory ... It would not hurt you to update your training manual. The argument is already losing its freshness since the 90s.
  • Orange
    Orange bigg 31 August 2020 12: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Bar1
    no one knows what c500 is, why talk about it?


    Nobody knows?
    With the adoption of the S-500, the defense zone that the system will provide will significantly increase. For the S-400, the radar for detecting air targets reaches 600 km, for the S-500 - 550-600 km. The range of destruction is 400 km and 600 km, respectively.

    This is of course essential. However, this is not the main benefit from the introduction of a new air defense system into the air defense forces. If we focus only on this parameter, then the efficiency of the new system has increased "only" by 1,5 times. However, experts believe that the coefficient is two. This is predetermined by the use of a new concept in the development of Prometheus. The S-500 is essentially two systems. One is designed to intercept aerodynamic targets - aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, the other - for ballistic missiles.


    These two components of the system have their own missiles, their own radars, their own control systems, using powerful processors. That is, due to the hardware separation of the functions of air defense and missile defense, versatility is achieved that no other air defense system has: neither the S-400, nor the American Patriot, THAAD and Aegis complexes. The S-500 intercepts both aircraft and ballistic missiles with equal efficiency. And recently, information has appeared that maneuvering hypersonic missiles will not leave the Prometheus interceptor missiles. However, this statement, as they say, hangs in the air, not supported by any real facts.

    The most important element of the system, which detects, identifies targets and directs anti-missiles at them, are radars with an active phased antenna array. There are two "sets" of them - "aerodynamic" and "ballistic". Each "set" has two radars - detection and targeting. Aerodynamic targets, as mentioned above, are detected at a distance of up to 800 km. Ballistic targets with a high flight profile are "visible" for 2000 km, and their separated warheads with an RCS of 0,1 sq.m. - for 1300 km.

    https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/272540/
  • Pereira
    Pereira 31 August 2020 08: 41 New
    -9
    Nobody expects kind words from the Poles. The people are like that.
    But about the uselessness of the Russian air defense system in Syria - everything is correct. Nobody saw the S-400 in action. So it’s not clear whether they should be afraid? This is the question of who can laugh.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 31 August 2020 08: 48 New
      +9
      I’m also wondering if he (S-400) is so bespony, or we have a political will with a gulkin’s nose for use. After all, not a single plane was shot down, neither Israeli, nor any other. And the reasons are "partners" various gave us mum do not cry. What is he in business? Nobody knows. Weapons are evaluated by war, and not by the words of bloggers and anal and all sorts of people.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 31 August 2020 08: 59 New
        -7
        Jews regularly boast that they fly right under their noses, but no one sees them.
        I have already asked many times into the void, is there a S-400 in nature? Who saw him in action?
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 31 August 2020 09: 38 New
          +4
          1. Nobody canceled the radio horizon. other than "flat earth witnesses"
          2. The mountainous landscape of Lebanon and Southwest Syria allows enemy aircraft to use radio shade
          3.The air defense complex has a so-called "radio funnel"
          These problems can be solved using an AWACS aircraft, but they are not there.

          And most importantly: Russia is not at war with Israel. Israel is not attacking our facilities in Syria, we are not attacking Israeli aircraft.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 31 August 2020 09: 41 New
            -13
            Yes, there is no more AWACS aircraft.
            If the S-400 is not capable of operating in mountainous areas, why is it there? Whom to scare?
            1. Adam Khomich
              Adam Khomich 31 August 2020 09: 52 New
              -11
              Quote: Pereira
              Whom to scare?

              Arkharov :-)
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 31 August 2020 11: 03 New
            -7
            Quote: Cympak
            These problems can be solved using an AWACS aircraft, but they are not there.

            Not that not. how would it be
            Moscow. 12 December. INTERFAX.RU - Aircraft early warning and control (AWACS) A-50 returned from Syria to the airfield in the Ivanovo region, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.
            Because he has nothing to do there.
            Israeli radar system EL W-50 2 0 9 was installed on the A-0 aircraft.
            1. Cympak
              Cympak 31 August 2020 11: 48 New
              +2
              The airborne early warning and control aircraft (AWACS) A-50 returned from Syria to the airfield in the Ivanovo region, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday

              The AWACS aircraft during modern warfare must be in the sky constantly. For this, 1 plane is not enough. You need to have at least 3 sides + it is desirable to have refueling aircraft.
              Because he has nothing to do there.

              In general, a fair comment, because:
              - we are not at war with Israel
              - Americans and their friends are not planning cruise missile attacks in the near future
              - "one is not a warrior in the field" and "the guard is tired"
              Israeli radar system EL W-50 2 0 9 was installed on the A-0 aircraft.

              This is not true. The avionics of a potential enemy cannot stand on the AWACS aircraft of the domestic VKS. Such equipment can and is installed only on export models.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 31 August 2020 12: 42 New
                -1
                Quote: Cympak
                This is not true. The avionics of a potential enemy cannot stand on the AWACS aircraft of the domestic VKS. Such equipment can and is installed only on export models.

                I agree with your remarks, but the A-50 was put into service in 1984, and by 1992, about 40 of them were produced. Therefore, such a fact was, perhaps later this A-50 was sold.
                The A-50U is similar to the American Boeing E-3 Sentry in design and function. The produced version of the original A-50, the A-50I, was manufactured with the Israeli EL / W-2090 Phalcon radar.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 31 August 2020 11: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Pereira
          Jews regularly boast that they fly right under their noses, but no one sees them.
          I have already asked many times into the void, is there a S-400 in nature? Who saw him in action?

          Doesn't he see, or was it not reported to you personally that they see?
          The use by Russian crews of the S-400, complexes for Israeli targets, will lead to very unpredictable consequences in that region. But you need confirmation of the effectiveness of the S-400 and do not care what follows. And sitting on the couch, it’s convenient to talk like that, without thinking at least a check ahead of the consequences.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 31 August 2020 11: 59 New
            -7
            No, it's not true.
            So far, the shah has been delivered to our air defense in Syria. There is no faith in them.
            Jews do not sit on the couch, but actively fly. And something I don't see their knees trembling. And they know more than you and me.
            And I never said that we should shoot down planes over Lebanon or the Mediterranean Sea.
            I have just doubted the effectiveness of the S-400 for several years.
            If you remind me where and when I proved the effectiveness of at least the S-300 in a real battle, I will be grateful. I did not come across such information.
            I know about the S-200.
      2. KCA
        KCA 31 August 2020 09: 00 New
        +2
        And I’m also wondering if she’s such a freaky "Voevoda", or if we have political will with a gulkin's nose, for use, because they never hit Washington or Norfolk, and our "partners" did not give us reasons grieve, what is the "Voevoda" complex in business? No one knows. Let's check? Is the whole world in dust?
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 31 August 2020 09: 08 New
          +2
          Why are you exaggerating, no one has spoken about "the whole world in dust" now. We are talking about the air defense system as such. I do not know of successful launches in a combat situation, that's all. The use (I must say, very successful) of tanks, helicopters, aircraft I know in the Syrian campaign, but nothing has been heard about him ..
          1. Adam Khomich
            Adam Khomich 31 August 2020 09: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
            but nothing has been heard about him ..

            So Israel does not enter the airspace of Syria, but fires from the territory of Lebanon. By the way, there was infa about the Israeli F-16 shot down. Then the Israelis reported the damage, although the Syrians claimed destruction. In any war, truth is the first thing that dies!
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 31 August 2020 11: 23 New
              -4
              Quote: Adam Khomich
              So Israel does not enter Syrian airspace, but fires from Lebanese territory.

              I understand you, I really want to, but it's not quite true.


              The Israeli Air Force flies where necessary, when necessary, and informs the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria about it.
              That suits the Russian Ministry of Defense quite well. If you have any claims, send them there.
          2. KCA
            KCA 31 August 2020 09: 39 New
            +3
            Russia does not take part in the war between Syria and Israel (officially they are at war), how do you imagine an attack by the S-400 air defense system of an Israeli aircraft if it does not attack our military or our bases? The Americans, of course, are still the same ones, and it is illegal in Syria, but it is clear to attack their plane if it does not attack us, what is that? This is, the whole world is in dust, it is "unsafe" to fly, to enter the tail of the F-22 and take it into the crosshair of the sight is possible, but to launch a missile at sight ... The complexes are tested on targets that emulate real combat targets for all parameters, shooting results are known to specialists, nuclear explosions are generally emulated on a computer, but no one wants to check the correctness of this emulation
          3. DominickS
            DominickS 31 August 2020 18: 23 New
            0
            Once again, as mentioned before, who are you going to shoot at? Nobody threatened the bases of the system elements; in fact, the complex was not used in a combat situation. It is used, in fact, only for monitoring airspace and potential threats. In addition, this is a system of a completely different class than short-range air defense of various sizes, and is intended for much larger and more important purposes. It is one thing to shoot from "Shells" at "Bayraktars" and quite another to shoot at an airplane controlled by a man. The enemy will spit on the UAV and build another one, and for an airplane deliberately shot down, in order to "show will", an aerial bomb may "accidentally" fall on our guys in Syria somewhere.
      3. Ka-52
        Ka-52 31 August 2020 09: 55 New
        +1
        After all, not a single plane was shot down, neither Israeli nor any others.

        Hurray-patriotic cries is understandable, but can you describe the reasons for using the S-400 to shoot down "Israeli or some other kind"? An S-400 protects the skies over Russian bases in Syria. Can you recall when it was Israeli and some other kind of attacked Khmeimim, al-Qamishli or Tartus?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 10: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Ka-52
          but can you describe the reasons for using the S-400 to shoot down "Israeli or some other kind"? An S-400 protects the skies over Russian bases in Syria. Can you recall when it was Israeli and some other kind of attacked Khmeimim, al-Qamishli or Tartus?


          Right. Moreover, I do not remember that Russia declared that we will trample the Gollans with the whole army ...
          The Syrian air defense system has essentially been eliminated, the territory of Syria is poorly visible with radio equipment ...
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 31 August 2020 10: 12 New
            +1
            The Syrian air defense system has essentially been eliminated, the territory of Syria is poorly visible with radio equipment ...

            The Syrian air defense system is of a focal or object nature. There is no continuous echeloned defense. Plus, the Israelis and "whatever else" do not fly over the territory of Syria, but carry out launches from the Mediterranean Sea, most of the time remaining in the radio shade of the Lebanese ridge. Or they go to the southwest of Iraq, taking advantage of the fact that most of it is not visible at all by any means of radio intelligence
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 10: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Ka-52
              wears focal

              The definition of focal is better suited.

              This raises the second question, let's say we will help in the war with Israel (let's forget for a second that we don’t need this! We, in fact, didn’t need it at the turn of the 60-70s), Are the Syrians ready to fight Israel seriously?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 31 August 2020 12: 14 New
                +2
                Are the Syrians ready to fight Israel seriously?

                politically Syria is at war with Israel. But in fact, Syria does not care about Israel now and will not be long in the future. The days when Syria could oppose something to Israel are long gone. Now the country is so drained of blood by the war that it has no time for "symmetrical responses". When far-fetched jingoistic patriots shout “let's fuck with Israel,” they first of all have to think: who and by what forces (means) can do it. And most importantly for what and with what consequences.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 12: 25 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  When the farcical jingoistic patriots shout “let's fuck with Israel,” they first of all have to think: who and by what forces (means) can do it. And most importantly for what and with what consequences.


                  Why think that? The main thing is to blurt out ... the Syrian Air Force is in fact pitiful stubs. There is some kind of WTO reserve such as Yakhons, Points and others. And that's all. Russia has not signed up to fight Israel for Syrian interests. Israel does not work at our facilities. What is the problem? The fact that Assad had to sign at least an armistice at some minimal stage is also a fact. This is not even close to the situation with the Russia-Japan peace treaty. Japan has ALREADY signed an act of complete and unconditional surrender. And a peace treaty is so formality
      4. Gorecc
        Gorecc 31 August 2020 13: 30 New
        +3
        yes, he is not bespontovy ... if he was such he would never have been bought by the Turks, and even more so by the Chinese, you know they are not fools sitting there ... the c400 is probably a good air defense system, it's just that it is too promoted by propaganda, they say, a kind of wunderwaffe ... and a simple layman thinks that c400 brings down everything that flies in the sky within a radius of 400 km ... and then embarrassments arise in the style of "the curvature of the earth prevented" laughing
        1. anfreezer
          anfreezer 31 August 2020 21: 40 New
          0
          Especially I went to put a plus for an adequate and brief comment ...
      5. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 31 August 2020 14: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
        Weapons are judged by war, and not by the words of bloggers and analysts.

        and we have a war with Israel or the United States?
    2. Orange
      Orange bigg 31 August 2020 12: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      Nobody expects kind words from the Poles. The people are like that.
      But about the uselessness of the Russian air defense system in Syria - everything is correct. Nobody saw the S-400 in action. So it’s not clear whether they should be afraid? This is the question of who can laugh.


      There were no threats of such a level that there was a need to use the S-400. No one would shoot at the sparrows from the cannon. UAVs and missiles from MLRS shot down Tor-M2, Pantsir-S1, Buk-M2E.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 31 August 2020 08: 13 New
    0
    How can you judge what you don't know about and don't even have an idea? recourse
    If only to blather ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 31 August 2020 08: 42 New
      +2
      These are the times. Ignorance of the subject is not a reason not to yak.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 31 August 2020 08: 13 New
    +4
    Serious weapons, even without real use, are a factor straining the opposite side .... nothing new in that.
    The novelties of the Russian military industry greatly strain both bosses and their mongrels ...
    however, this is a double-edged phenomenon, this is also obvious.
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 31 August 2020 08: 16 New
    +5
    "Most likely they will work like the S-300 in Syria"

    How will it work? ..
    Yes, one presence is enough!
    Just presence! You don't even need to shoot!
    Glory runs ahead!
    Deserved!
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 31 August 2020 11: 31 New
      -6
      Quote: Victor_B
      Glory runs ahead!

      Why only Slava? And Petya and Kolya, etc.
      But the caps are still earlier. lol
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 31 August 2020 08: 21 New
    +5
    It's time to invite these Polish commentators, even if they write articles here right away, why translate the paper. After all, we are all, to put it mildly, incompetent, where we are without the opinion of the Poles about Russian weapons. hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 August 2020 08: 27 New
    +2
    It is clear that the appearance of such complexes in Kaliningrad will greatly strain the Polish Air Force. And they are not afraid of their appearance in Belarus? However, it would be worth ... laughing And the performance characteristics of these complexes, gentlemen psheki, if you wish, you can try ... Only by a written statement "... I ask you not to blame anyone ..."
  • Alexy
    Alexy 31 August 2020 08: 27 New
    +3
    Why is this article in general? If the author says that the commentators are not specialists, then why post their comments?
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 31 August 2020 08: 27 New
    -3
    It will work.
    How it works.
    All STEALTH to dust. :)
    And also ROFAR to meet them.
    Russia has completed tests of a photonic radar to search for stealth targets
    August 29 2020
    Nikolay Grishchenko

    In Russia, tests of a prototype of an active phased antenna array based on radio photonics - ROFAR - have been completed. The new technology will reduce the size of airborne radars of aircraft and ships, as well as increase the accuracy and detection range
    "Based on the results of tests of the demonstrator created by the concern, we obtained results that allow us to talk about the prospect of using ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, including in radar survey complexes," the general director of the Vega concern said at the Army-2020 forum "Vyacheslav Mikheev.

    He also stressed that the new technology will allow integrating the transceiver into the skin of a ship, aircraft or satellite, as well as increasing the radar's field of view. It should also be said that ROFAR was created on the basis of the original domestic component base

    "On the radar screen, not a target mark will appear, but its image, which is unattainable by classical radar. That is, the operator, instead of the usual luminous point, will see what is actually flying - an airplane, rocket, flock of birds or a meteorite, it is worth repeating, even thousands of kilometers from the radar." , - previously reported "RG".
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 August 2020 08: 29 New
    +1
    Most likely, they will work like the S-300 in Syria.
    fool Most likely, they will work like the Ph-35 in Syria.
    Reports of the American military have been published, which say that Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems located in Syria have seriously damaged two American fighters - F-22 and F-35. As a result of the energetic effect on the aircraft, the pilots lost their orientation and with great difficulty returned to the base. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/middleeast/43668222/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 31 August 2020 08: 47 New
    +1
    You have not yet heard what they say about the S-500 "Prometheus" air defense system
    Australian aborigines, Eskimos of Alaska and retired boatswain of coastal sailing Semyon Panteleimonovich Pokobatko.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 31 August 2020 10: 16 New
      0
      Good afternoon. We are sarcastic again. I want to convey a big human thanks to the Israeli government and personally to Nitaneahu, with the UAE. Do you have a peace of friendship with them? Novatek. The name of the gas carrier Spirit of Yamal. Where is Yamal and where is Qatar. Anyone else you can talk to? Our Michelson has a lot of LNG. New sponsor of many sporting events, and I work somewhere nearby. Thank you, at least some benefit from Israel. hi
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 31 August 2020 10: 56 New
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        Quote: tralflot1832
        Good afternoon. We are sarcastic again. I want to convey a big human thanks to the Israeli government and personally to Nitaneahu, with the UAE. Do you have a peace of friendship with them? Novatek. The name of the gas carrier Spirit of Yamal. Where is Yamal and where is Qatar. Anyone else you can talk to? Our Michelson has a lot of LNG. New sponsor of many sporting events, and I work somewhere nearby. Thank you, at least some benefit from Israel. hi

        Think small, my dear. Actually, this is not your fault, but a stereotype firmly and firmly driven into the brains of Russians - a template, as they like to say today.
        First, the USSR, and now the Russian Federation, fed, armed, poured money, supported wherever possible politically, wrote off billions of dollars in debts to parasites from many countries on all continents. Because of this, a tiny bunch of sheluponies, who misunderstood themselves as "Palestinians", could allow themselves more than 50 (fifty!) Years to "veto" the advancement of the peace process in the BW.
        They were so fed up with the surrounding countries that they were already sent in plain text by the forest.
        The UAE is preparing to join two adequate countries, which have long been receiving preferences from the peace treaties concluded with Israel. Another state is next. This process is slow. There is no need to rush here. But, "The ice is broken, gentlemen of the jury" (c).

        PS No benefit from Israel?
        Who is to blame if you bet 70 years on the wrong one?
        If instead of a completely prosperous state that has turned the desert into a garden of paradise, with a long life expectancy, with a strong army, excellent medicine and scientific potential, powerful high-tech and military industry, with 100 billion dollars in exports, launching its rockets and satellites, you choose your business partners some crooks-temporary workers looking into your hand. At the same time, knowing well from the experience of the very recent past that all investments of monetary, material and human resources will go to waste, and your protégés will send their breadwinners and benefactors to hell ...
        But, apparently, there is nothing to be done about it, alas ...
        Greetings to Konrad Karlovich Michelson! hi
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 31 August 2020 12: 20 New
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          A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
          Today, 10: 56
          NEW
          Again moral admonitions: how to live, with whom to be friends, to whom to supply something, and who does not, with whom to fight, with whom to be friends ... you are there, teach your own life in Israel, and more often look into the sky, you never know what will fly again ...
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 31 August 2020 14: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: aszzz888

            A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
            Today, 10: 56
            NEW
            Again moral admonitions: how to live, with whom to be friends, to whom to supply something, and who does not, with whom to fight, with whom to be friends ... you are there, teach your own life in Israel, and more often look into the sky, you never know what will fly again ...

            I already thought that I got rid of you and you left me behind. So no! Follow me from article to article, you are rude, you try to scare me, make some absurd claims, you cannot argue with anything intelligible on the topic. Only an empty ringing ...
            It's somehow not even decent - to pester strangers in public places. Looks, I can assure you, disgusting.
            Be healthy and look for another object for harassment. hi
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 1 September 2020 05: 53 New
              +1

              A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
              Yesterday, 14: 34
              NEW

              +1
              Quote: aszzz888

              A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
              Today, 10: 56
              NEW
              Again moral admonitions: how to live, with whom to be friends, to whom to supply something, and who does not, with whom to fight, with whom to be friends ... you are there, teach your own life in Israel, and more often look into the sky, you never know what will fly again ...

              I already thought that I got rid of you and you left me behind. So no! Follow me from article to article,
              laughing tongue laughing I need you, like a dog's fifth leg! wassat and I repeat - the site is not yours, to whom I want - to that and put a post. Adieu. tongue
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 31 August 2020 12: 29 New
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          As if we had rebuilt for a long time. We do not supply the Palestinians directly and we do not supply anyone for free. The Mododians agreed with the UAE, but why should they buy gas from us, if the Arabs around are full of it. all over the world. There are a lot of joint ventures all over the world. And I wish you the same as you do to us. Did you put on that horse ?. hi
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 31 August 2020 12: 38 New
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            tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
            Today, 12: 29

            +1
            As if we had rebuilt for a long time. We do not supply the Palestinians directly and we do not supply anyone for free. The Mododians agreed with the UAE, but why should they buy gas from us, if the Arabs around are full of it. all over the world. There are a lot of joint ventures all over the world. And I wish you the same as you do to us. Did you put on that horse ?. hi
            A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) has not a single post on Russia without bile. Well, further in the text ...
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 31 August 2020 12: 49 New
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              I realized that, well, what can you take from him. I’m not against Israel, but only about garlic. A friend from this nation, a millionaire, why didn’t go to Israel. It's hard with them, they teach all the time. Distant relatives got from Israel, we We have experienced so much because of the Communists, help you so rich. We decided to just build a new family nest in the Krasnodar Territory. And his dad still keeps his party card in the safe with the dead presidents as a good memory. Good Jew, how much vodka has been drunk under my herring! hi
  • U-58
    U-58 31 August 2020 08: 53 New
    +3
    The simplified version should be understood in such a way that the general scheme is developed and even embodied in hardware.
    Refinement of missiles [s] continues, as well as location and guidance systems.
    This is understandable: the technology is new, complex, the systems of counteraction of a potential enemy are also not standing still.
    Therefore, in the year 20, a certain "demonstration" sample can be delivered so that there is something to report on.
    And it's for the best. To bring everything to mind and produce a practical product.
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 31 August 2020 08: 54 New
    +7
    The Poles first scoff, and then they start shouting the guard - the Iskanders in the Kaliningrad region.
  • Galleon
    Galleon 31 August 2020 09: 04 New
    +2
    How important it is to know the opinion of Polish Internet readers! Not specialists who have not familiarized themselves with the work of the military complex, but real inhabitants who see two meters through the ground ...
    Hmmm ...
  • Karabin
    Karabin 31 August 2020 09: 12 New
    -10
    Other comments not without an attempt to offend Russia:
    "Most likely they will work like the S-300 in Syria."

    He's at least 50% right. The allies of the Russian Federation in Syria, the Iranians and the Assad people, receive luli from the Americans and Jews regularly, despite the presence of complexes.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 31 August 2020 09: 23 New
    +1
    purchase a batch of fifth generation F-35 fighters from Washington.
    sell an aircraft carrier to the Papuans lol
  • withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 31 August 2020 09: 34 New
    +1
    S-400 In Syria. Turned into a monument to the lack of political will, to end impunity in the Syrian sky .. where everyone rules .. who has an air force in the region. that is why such doubts appear.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 31 August 2020 09: 42 New
    +3
    Psheki are notable specialists in air defense systems in the world!
    They immediately determined that the S-500 was manure. Only here is the problem with this manure, there is a queue behind the Russian air defense systems, two additional plants had to be built for the production of manure. The Americans are tearing their allies for the purchase of Russian S-400 manure
    Paradox!
    laughing laughing laughing
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 31 August 2020 09: 43 New
    +2
    "Most likely, they will work like the S-300 in Syria": readers of the Polish press try to evaluate the S-500 Prometheus air defense system

    Discussed by those who themselves do not even produce such systems. )
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      Psheki are very busy installing the S-125 launcher on a tank chassis .. The S-125 was adopted in service in 1960 approximately ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 31 August 2020 09: 59 New
    0
    Ha. For lack of those already and what nafig unnecessary bloggers were connected to anyone ...
  • Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 31 August 2020 10: 01 New
    -17
    The Syrian one, the embarrassment of the S300, 400 and Pantsirya well shaken the image of Russian air defense systems.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 10: 25 New
      +4
      And where is the embarrassment? Staggered so that the Turks, for example, decided to buy a second air defense missile system S-400? About the Armor ?! Let me remind you that the combat losses of the PNS and Turkey in Libya and Syria this year were 22 Bayraktar and 4 Anki. See here https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Year=2020
      Reliable losses this year ZRPK Pantsyr - 2 cars in Syria and 2 in Libya + 2-3 is possible, there is no confirmation of them to this day.
      1. Wwk7260
        Wwk7260 31 August 2020 10: 52 New
        -12
        The Turks take on credit, which they are unlikely to give, but India is likely to refuse, as Serbia refused in favor of China, India does not have much choice, only the USA, is it expensive? Yes! But the reliability of American systems is higher. It is precisely the reliability (the electronics of the C300, 400 constantly screw up, and they spend most of their time in repairs). We do not take efficiency now, although the American systems of ancient generations showed it in 1991 by knocking down high-speed ballistic SCUDs with a good result, and the S400, 300, except for range targets, knocked down only Il22 so far.
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        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 12: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Wwk7260
          But the reliability of American systems is higher. It is precisely the reliability (the electronics of the C300, 400 constantly screw up, and they spend most of their time in repairs).

          Where did you get this from? And then I kind of disagree with you, justifiably.

          Quote: Wwk7260
          We do not take efficiency now, although the American systems of ancient generations showed it in 1991 by knocking down ballistic high-speed SCUDs with a good result,

          Do not tell the people a. They struck very badly, even less often it was possible to prevent the Scuds from falling on their heads. Worked a little better during the second Gulf War. Just a little. The blow to the Saudi oil refineries was overlooked altogether.

          and S400, 300, except for range targets, have shot down only Il22 so far.

          And why are you lying?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 August 2020 10: 24 New
    0
    There is no point in discussing the mediocre judgment of the Polish "specialist". It is enough to read the comments to this article to understand that there are enough such "Polish specialists" for VO.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 31 August 2020 19: 17 New
    -1
    How does it look like our forum wink
    A kind of mirror, on the other hand. Therefore, it is useful to post such topics here. To see that we are not alone in our ambitions! bully

    At the same time, I am in favor of the local position, it is just that I am in the "neighboring formation for this peak, for this medal" ...
  • Nestor
    Nestor 31 August 2020 21: 24 New
    0
    Do not consider it trolling, but in our segment of the Internet infa is spreading about the unsuccessful use of the S-400 at the Kavkaz-2020 exercises
    The rocket left the launcher, and after flying several meters fell near the positions, even a photo was attached
    1. Ilya_Nsk
      Ilya_Nsk 1 September 2020 05: 57 New
      +1
      So what? Nobody is safe from marriage / sabotage, etc. Do not remember how the "protons" fell? and the S-300 fell on the installation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsktE6E6DHU)
  • shadow
    shadow 31 August 2020 21: 56 New
    0
    How the S-300 worked in Syria. Check the date this article was written.
    https://tehnowar.ru/88488-zveno-f-35-v-sirii-bylo-obnaruzheno-i-vzjato-na-soprovozhdenie-rossijskim-kompleksom-s-300.html
  • Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 1 September 2020 05: 54 New
    0
    What does Syria have to do with it? There was simply no one to shoot the S300! Does a multi-million dollar rocket need to be shot at a cardboard drone? There are other systems for this .. And so, they could shoot down Jewish planes on takeoff.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 1 September 2020 12: 06 New
    0
    Do the Psheki really think that the S-400 for internal use is exactly the same in terms of characteristics as those that were sold to the Turks ?? wassat
    this is a complete naivety.
    And the S-500 is a system of a completely different level. it's exclusive, it's like a Lamborghini only in an air defense environment
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 1 September 2020 16: 06 New
    0
    Polish experts are like Ukrainian laughing