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Concern "Vega" has finished testing the prototype ROFAR

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Concern "Vega" has finished testing the prototype ROFAR

The Russian concern "Vega" of the holding "Ruselectronics" has finished testing a prototype of an active phased antenna array based on radio-photonics - ROFAR. This was announced by the general director of the concern Vyacheslav Mikheev.


According to Mikheev, the new technology will reduce the size of airborne radars of aircraft and ships, as well as increase the accuracy and detection range of stealth targets. At the same time, it is specified that when using ROFAR, not a point will be reflected on the radar screen, but an image of the target, which is unattainable using traditional radar.

The active antenna array with a high-speed scanning system created within the framework of the project is built on the basis of distributed radio-photon transceiver modules, in which the original domestic component base is used

- said Mikheev.

Based on the results of testing the demonstrator created by the concern, we obtained results that allow us to talk about the prospect of using ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, including radar surveillance complexes

- he added.

The general director of the concern also emphasized that the new technology allows integrating the pre-transmitter into the skin of an aircraft, ship or satellite, thereby increasing the radar field of view.
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  1. Whisper
    Whisper 29 August 2020 11: 46 New
    58
    God grant we fly, it's nice to read such news.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 29 August 2020 12: 47 New
      -56
      And why did they not add that all the filling is completely Russian, primarily microelectronics, and the entire electronic base? ??
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 August 2020 13: 23 New
        49
        You need to read the articles carefully:
        The active antenna array with a high-speed scanning system created within the framework of the project is built on the basis of distributed radio-photonic transceiver modules, in which original domestic component base

        - said Mikheev.
        1. ltc35
          ltc35 29 August 2020 14: 31 New
          -26
          There is a long way from application to deed. Domestic element base during this period of time cannot provide cardinal breakthrough technological solutions. It remains to be seen which modules are nevertheless designed on our microcircuits.
          1. Temples
            Temples 29 August 2020 16: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: ltc35
            Domestic element base during this period of time cannot provide cardinal breakthrough technological solutions.

            FSE FSE lie laughing
            1. ltc35
              ltc35 29 August 2020 17: 40 New
              -21
              Of course they lie! 90 nm technical process mastering! And the bourgeois have already mastered the 7 nm technical process and are working closely with 4 nm laughing
              1. vargo
                vargo 29 August 2020 22: 01 New
                17
                It's none of my business, but I would recommend that you update your information on Russia's capabilities to make its own microelectronics. Most of the claims against the country often arise only because little is said about achievements, and they are little sought after.
                On my own I will add that yes, 7nm and 4nm are cool, but you also need to understand where they are needed and where not
                1. ltc35
                  ltc35 30 August 2020 05: 53 New
                  -4
                  You may be right. I really hope for it. And since by the nature of my work I communicate with developers and know about problems from the inside, I can also talk about the possibilities of the domestic industry.
                  1. Irokez
                    Irokez 30 August 2020 19: 03 New
                    0
                    On Mikron there seems to be a line from AMD at 90 or 65 nm, and it seems for a dozen years already. And the processors I7 or Razen in the military, no one will poke there other narrow tasks and reliability is needed as well as security.
              2. Cottodraton
                Cottodraton 30 August 2020 06: 42 New
                +6
                Military equipment is conservative and, as a rule, works on the most ancient technological processes, due to its greater resistance to the external environment. Five years ago I read a reprint of some foreign article. At that time, 90nm was not used in the military sphere ... therefore it is not critical
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 30 August 2020 09: 13 New
                  +1
                  "Ancient" sizes are also a different concept. For us 90nm, for Americans 24, for example
                  BUT yesterday GDP said that electronics will be revived.
                  1. Cottodraton
                    Cottodraton 31 August 2020 07: 47 New
                    0
                    The ancients from the word "absolutely", that is, even to nanometers
              3. vVvAD
                vVvAD 30 August 2020 12: 06 New
                +5
                Only here is a mystery, how domestic components on a similar technical process have several times faster performance.
                With our approach to electronics design and programming, even such a lag in the component base written above is fully compensated. But when we reduce the gap in the component base ...
                By the way, we are going head to head in the development of quantum computers. Add the first paragraph to that, and it’s not funny at all - to the Americans.
              4. kapitan281271
                kapitan281271 31 August 2020 08: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: ltc35
                Of course they lie! 90 nm technical process mastering! And the bourgeois have already mastered the 7 nm technical process and are working closely with 4 nm laughing

                A couple of years ago, here, on the VO, there was an article that started at 25 nm, and now we will go to 15 nm, KhME knows it, maybe they lie, but they don’t give up, but one soldier, the element base will not pull out, a huge consumption in the civilian world, and where, if we only from ready-made blocks, we collect different world brands here, There is nothing of our own.
          2. Zhevlonenko
            Zhevlonenko 30 August 2020 14: 32 New
            +4
            radar emitters are not microcircuits and processors, they do not need delicate technical processes. And the original design can be created without them
      2. Voltsky
        Voltsky 29 August 2020 14: 32 New
        33
        Quote: Thrifty
        And why did they not add that all the filling is completely Russian, primarily microelectronics, and the entire electronic base? ??

        they didn’t add it because it’s not so, but all this is because you and others like you do not have the necessary experience or qualifications; but on the other hand, roar and lament according to the principle "I don't know how to do anything, do everything for me and make my life for me, because I am an infantile imbecile," as befits exalted clowns, you manage with real proletarian determination, keep it up dear :)
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 29 August 2020 17: 23 New
          -21
          Well, are you defending effective managers, is Chubais your hero?
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 29 August 2020 20: 12 New
            +9
            nobody protects anyone, they ask you :)
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 August 2020 14: 35 New
        11
        Quote: Thrifty
        Why didn't they finish writing

        Well, how can the all-propalschiku-"thrifty" with his next fly in the ointment not stick. negative
        1. figwam
          figwam 29 August 2020 16: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Piramidon
          Well, how can the all-propalschiku-"thrifty" with his next fly in the ointment not stick.

          Yes, it’s not sacks to make noise.
      4. lucul
        lucul 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
        +8
        Concern "Vega" has finished testing the prototype ROFAR

        Daaaaaaaaaa-Daaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!
        Finally, finally, the revolution has come true, Yeah !!!!!!!
        A cross on all Western stealth technologies, all stealth fighters go straight to the trash.
        This is technology superiority ...
        Check and checkmate.
      5. Dmitry Simakin
        Dmitry Simakin 30 August 2020 22: 13 New
        +3
        You are right of course. There would be if it was really about electronics. But did you not pay attention to the fact that we are talking about radio-photonics? The fact is that the electron has completely exhausted itself, it is too inertial. Radio engineering goes over to the photon, which replaces the retired electron. And it’s not about optoelectronics, not about laser ranging. This is still scanning space with radio waves, but inside the systems for receiving, amplifying and optimally processing the received (and even radiated) radio signals, the radio signal is converted by optical methods immediately on the antenna. This allows us to radically expand the frequency range of the used sounding signals, the dynamic range of the receiving devices, the radar resolution, the speed of all its elements, and much more. Including completely new qualities of radio engineering systems ...
        As for the foreign element base, it practically does not exist in radio-photonics. In contrast to the domestic one, which has passed not only preliminary preliminary design studies, but is already in technological pre-series development ...
    2. venik
      venik 29 August 2020 14: 28 New
      23
      Quote: Sheptun
      God grant we fly, it's nice to read such news.

      =========
      A-f-f-f-f-net! I, by a sinful deed, this is such a REMOTE perspective ...... An - NO! The tests have already begun (!!!? !!!).
      This is - in general - a BREAKTHROUGH in science!
      And the most important thing is that it is in this area that we are not "catching up"! Moreover - WE are not even in "equal" conditions - WE - ARE AHEAD (yes, we are AHEAD !!!).

      PS A very long time ago (at the end of the 60s, or the beginning of the 70s - I don't remember exactly) in the magazine "Radio" (it was like that), as a teenager, I came across an article by one very clever engineer about laser information storage devices (CDs) - they were then only at the stage of experiments were ....... The essence of the article was remembered for a lifetime: "we are hopelessly behind (from the West) in the field of radio and microelectronics (!), but if we develop laser (and in these technologies we was a serious hit!) information accumulators, then we can (after skipping a certain stage) get ahead of the competitors and turn from "catching up" into LEADERS! .....
      Today there is another CHANCE! And you can REALLY get ahead of the "states" and China! In the field of fundamental sciences, we are them - ahead of! If we "miss" this chance too - someone will have to "unscrew the boss" !!!
      1. venik
        venik 29 August 2020 14: 44 New
        +7
        A-f-f-shit!
        I did not have time to write a comment - already "minus"! No way - the "kuropatriots" with the "liberal-dermocrats" pulled themselves up ... what
        Well, to hell with them !!! laughing
        1. ltc35
          ltc35 31 August 2020 17: 10 New
          +1
          They throw their hats! I didn't dodge either laughing laughing laughing
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 30 August 2020 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: venik
        The tests have already begun (!!!? !!!).

        No.
        concern "Vega" of the holding "Ruselectronics" finished tests of a prototype of an active phased array antenna based on radio photonics - ROFAR
        good
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 August 2020 11: 47 New
    0
    The general director of the concern also stressed that the new technology makes it possible to integrate the pre-transmitter into the aircraft skin.
    Can we assume that we are ahead of the rest of the planet? what Thank you. repeat Forward to the plane, helicopter! A rocket, eh?
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 29 August 2020 11: 52 New
      21
      Very good news, rather to the implementation and to the troops ...
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 29 August 2020 12: 33 New
        +4
        And then to Syria for a "run-in". hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 29 August 2020 13: 19 New
          +5
          ATS she is now at hand - maybe there, but it will be necessary to demonstrate the possibilities. It's funny to see the consequences of the first application ...
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
            +8
            This is still a prototype (a working model, a prototype, or a rough implementation of a future system). Don't put it on the plane.
            Much will depend on the cost of this radar. An example is AFAR. Although there may be another reason - overheating.
            I am glad that there are still brains that implement such ideas. hi
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 29 August 2020 14: 52 New
              13
              Let the prototype, but
              Quote: Kasym
              I am glad that there are still brains that implement such ideas.

              Here sometimes the thought wanders that due to being late with AFAR they decided to simply step over this stage goes directly to ROFAR: the economy must be economical wink
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 29 August 2020 15: 08 New
                +1
                isn't that logical ?!
                The CAR is already being installed on a number of NATO ships, and is slowly being tested.
                Here your Rostec is also moving quietly, the future is closer than we think :)
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 29 August 2020 15: 15 New
                +6
                For some reason, they write little about the negative aspects of AFAR. With that overheating, they are forced to reduce the power of the AFAR to 30%, and this is already another "calico". It takes a very limited time to work "to the fullest", while reducing the speed. The Chinese are experimenting with air cooling. I somehow "dug" on this topic.
                There is no doubt about it that work with ROFAR is going on in a stationary position. And how will it be at high speed, altitude, humidity, etc.? So there are enough questions and time is needed. hi
                1. Voltsky
                  Voltsky 29 August 2020 15: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  For some reason, they write little about the negative aspects of AFAR. With that overheating, they are forced to reduce the power of the AFAR to 30%, and this is already another "calico".

                  shta!?
                  Have you heard about optimization and childhood diseases of any high-tech project? :)
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 5 September 2020 00: 10 New
                    0
                    The F-22 was removed from production - why didn't they "optimize and eliminate childhood diseases of such a high-tech project"?
                    Nuclear submarine "Seawulf", helicopter "Comanche", etc.
                    I'm just asking myself a question - why didn't they launch a radar with AFAR in the Russian Federation? In addition to being very expensive (1 transceiver module for 1 USD), it gets very hot. It is even in Wiki - there will be time to read, informative. Moreover, retired American pilots complain of oncology - most likely it is from AFAR radiation. hi
              3. Serg4545
                Serg4545 30 August 2020 19: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                Here the thought sometimes wanders that due to the delay with AFAR they decided to simply step over this stage immediately to ROFAR: the economy should be economical


                This is not true.
                There was the following. After slotted antennas, Western countries have chosen AFAR technology. We chose PFAR.
                Each technology has its own small advantages. True, PFAR is half the price. And this is already a very big advantage!
                That is, there is no lag. Quite the opposite. We have the following technologies: PFAR, developed by AFAR for MIG 35 and SU 57, and now there is also ROFAR.
                And the west has only AFAR.
                So they are lagging behind and late)
          2. Pavel57
            Pavel57 29 August 2020 15: 05 New
            +4
            To Syria, yes, to Turkey, no.
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 30 August 2020 12: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      A rocket, eh?

      Omitting the questions of miniaturization and cost: so that the "potential" would spin it around? It's much easier to get a rocket than an airplane.
  3. PN
    PN 29 August 2020 11: 51 New
    18
    I read it like an excerpt from a science fiction story. But this is just awesome! What was fantasy yesterday is becoming reality today. I am glad
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 30 August 2020 12: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: PN
      I read it like an excerpt from a science fiction story. But this is just awesome! What was fantasy yesterday is becoming reality today.

      "And we are working here to make a fairy tale come true! You see." (Caucasian ...)
  4. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 29 August 2020 11: 52 New
    17
    This is very necessary, phew, and so garbage, and with ROFAR in the world they will become completely useless, just in the series for 50 tons they will introduce it ...
    1. Gorecc
      Gorecc 29 August 2020 12: 17 New
      -62
      mantras about rofar have already gone, soon in the Internet battles it will catch up with the all-powerful Russian rab and other wunderwalks that have no analogues in the world, zhdemss)
      and the f-35, whatever you say, is an advanced aircraft, which here and now is equipped with the world's best afar radar (which the Russian industry has not been able to master until now), and not the mythical rofar ... and by the way, this aircraft is already being produced in hundreds, and so -50 not even in the troops)
      1. Orange
        Orange bigg 29 August 2020 12: 29 New
        25
        and the f-35, whatever the advanced aircraft,

        I mean? Everybody turns it around on the front end? Then yes. Advanced.
        Pray further down to trough F-35.
        1. Gorecc
          Gorecc 29 August 2020 12: 50 New
          -37
          who turns it around?) I don't pray to anyone, I just try to reason objectively. The f-35 is truly an advanced aircraft in which the Yankees have implemented all their best and latest developments. Yes, at first it was raw, but gradually it is brought to the required condition.
          Russian aircraft, even the latest ones, still do not have a radar with afar, and since the Russian industry has not yet been able to master it, it is suggested that the headlights are no worse, and even better. It's just that these stupid Yankees and Europeans, and now the Chinese are simply not in the subject, so they put afar in their newest planes, oh, fools wink
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 29 August 2020 13: 53 New
            19
            Why are you chuckling about what you don't know? Below you have already written that the MIG-31 has been flying with AFAR for a long time. And for the Su-57 there is, it works.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 29 August 2020 12: 42 New
        23
        The F-35 has never been an advanced aircraft! Yes, individual elements, individual systems of this aircraft are really advanced, for example, the engine, the radar ... But the aircraft as a whole is the result of an unfortunate compromise, the victim of a multi-purpose approach and unification ...
        He is an element of an advanced system - yes! But only pi_ndos have such a system! The Israelis are developing a truncated version for their small region, and no one else has such an information system in which the F35 can successfully demonstrate its capabilities ... All other countries buy an aircraft to work in the American system ... Without this system, the F35 is ineffective, this is an expensive and costly and not a universal aircraft. Yes, and judging by the results of combat use, it is not needed in such large quantities, but as a weapon carrier in the second line it is inferior to the 4th generation aircraft, which the States are starting to make again instead of this narrow reconnaissance, as it turned out ...
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 29 August 2020 13: 04 New
          -13
          And how is the F35A / C / B worse than the F16, Hornet and Harier, respectively? + A10
          1. Orange
            Orange bigg 29 August 2020 13: 27 New
            12
            Quote: Grazdanin
            And how is the F35A / C / B worse than the F16, Hornet and Harier, respectively? + A10

            F-35 is more expensive, often breaks down, capricious aircraft in terms of restrictions and requires systematic expensive maintenance. It was created as an aircraft for all occasions, to replace all the machines you listed above, but instead of doing your own highly specialized business, but good, like the machines of the previous one generation, it is used for all missions, but the performance of its duties is frankly at an average level. It is not a cheap and unpretentious workhorse like the F-16, the attack aircraft to replace the A-10 from it is so-so, clearly not an interceptor like Tomcat, dubious abilities for air superiority following the example of the F-15.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 August 2020 13: 42 New
              -5
              It breaks less often than the F-16, in our practice. Easier to spot problems:
              built-in diagnostic / prognostic system.
              The inter-flight F-35 service requires more technicians working in parallel.
              Israeli pilots are happy with it. The departing F-16s are not bored.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 13: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: voyaka uh
                It breaks less often than the F-16, in our practice.


                How much do you get paid to advertise a penguin with or without reason?
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 30 August 2020 05: 39 New
                  +3
                  Cyril G ... (Cyril)
                  Yesterday, 13: 49
                  NEW

                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  It breaks less often than the F-16, in our practice.


                  How much do you get paid to advertise a penguin with or without reason?
                  They throw in a couple of shekels .. wink
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch 30 August 2020 10: 41 New
                  +3
                  Come on, they don't pay him, otherwise I would praise the penguin much more and better. All on sheer enthusiasm. But the pilots and technicians are compared with those F-16s, which the penguin replaces. Naturally, those have worse diagnostic systems. And the questions of the purchase price of pilots / technicians are not at all ... This is already a headache for taxpayers.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 31 August 2020 06: 16 New
                    -1
                    Exactly good
                3. 3danimal
                  3danimal 31 August 2020 06: 15 New
                  -1
                  This is not objective. “On the spot” is better known. (In fact, all the information about the F-35 circulated in our media comes from rumors, in large part.)
                  Do you have any acquaintances in the Israeli army / air force?
                  And it looks like an attempt to get personal.
              2. lucul
                lucul 29 August 2020 15: 03 New
                +3
                Israeli pilots are happy with it.

                In general, I'm beginning to be inclined to think that stealth technology, like the Yak-141, is a grandiose misinformation to bury the American aircraft industry. Quite ours cranked a mnogohovochka in due time))))
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 31 August 2020 06: 17 New
                  0
                  If we assume that the Americans (all), according to Zadornov, are stupid.
                  In reality, there are results.
              3. Volder
                Volder 30 August 2020 19: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Israeli pilots are happy with it. The departing F-16s are not bored.
                Israel is a US ally. Can Jews afford to be dissatisfied with American technology? Of course not!
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 07: 05 New
                  -1
                  I’ll tell you more than that, the Jews get the F-35 for free, with the exception of a number of elements of their own design.
              4. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 00: 14 New
                +1
                Of course, they are happy, you buy planes for yourself with US aid money! Everyone loves these planes!
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 31 August 2020 01: 27 New
                  0
                  What does it matter to the pilot how the plane was bought and who paid? laughing
                  You are funny people, really ... yes
                  It is important for the pilot that he can complete the mission successfully and return to base.
                  alive. The F-35 meets these criteria:
                  "Unknown planes bombed ... presumably it is ..."
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 07: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The F-35 meets these criteria:


                    And what are the differences with the F-15 and F-16 strikes? So it is not.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 31 August 2020 10: 33 New
                      0
                      How different!
                      F-16 has to break through to the goals of the utmost
                      clinging to the ground: "under the wires" (power lines). It is very dangerous for pilots
                      the slightest mistake is a disaster.
                      And the F-15, on the contrary, has to make long rounds
                      air defense zones at high altitude (to have time to make an anti-missile maneuver).
                      The F-35, on the other hand, easily finds passages in the air defense and enters the target without any
                      dangerous stunts.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 11: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        F-16 has to break through to the goals of the utmost
                        clinging to the ground: "under the wires" (power lines). It is very dangerous for pilots
                        the slightest mistake is a disaster.
                        And the F-15, on the contrary, has to make long rounds
                        air defense zones at high altitude (to have time to make an anti-missile maneuver).
                        The F-35, on the other hand, easily finds passages in the air defense and enters the target without any
                        dangerous stunts.


                        You hang noodles on your ears. The Air Force Israelis for sure, and so is perfectly aware of where the OVTs radar station is and where it is not. The Syrian air defense system is extremely fragmented and focal. In these conditions, you can fly and launch missiles even on Boeing - 737
                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 31 August 2020 11: 53 New
                        0
                        You are asking a question.
                        And when the interlocutor answers, you insult him.
                        For this reason, chat on the forum with your like-minded people.
                        There are hundreds of them, and they will always agree with you. hi
                      3. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 12: 05 New
                        -2
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And when the interlocutor answers, you insult him.

                        Is this where I insulted you? I just say that you are lying on purpose or because you do not know the issue, do not understand what it is about, and do not represent the real situation.
                        Moreover, it is characteristic to lie constantly and recklessly. But at the same time, you are patriotic SO (At the place of your current habitat, of course)! That a number of local citizens chanting the same thing in relation to "have no analogues" did not even dream ...
                        Interestingly, Russia does not supply the same Sunflowers to Syria. And for a reason ...
                      4. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 31 August 2020 12: 58 New
                        +1
                        I found a site for you where you will find answers to
                        all your questions smile .
                        Where they never lie: redstar.ru fellow
                        And I personally say goodbye to you.
                      5. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 13: 01 New
                        -1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        I found a site for you where you will find answers to
                        all your questions.

                        Why did you bother yourself? I definitely do not need your advice.

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And I personally say goodbye to you.

                        I do not think so. I will continue to point out to you new cases of your lies.
              5. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 15: 57 New
                0
                If someone needs you, your F35s will be recorded and maintained from the moment of take-off ... No need to dissemble comparing incomparable! What load can a penguin carry in the internal compartments, observing the stealth mode? And all 9 tons? If he hangs something on the external suspension, all obscurity will end! The penguin is more profitable, and this is its main purpose, to use for target designation to other aircraft that may not enter the air defense zone, and which carry a lot of weapons on an external sling, here the 4th generation is preferable in all respects ... Or use for covert sabotage attacks, under the US shield than YOU ARE DISHEAD AND DO NOT STILL...
              6. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 31 August 2020 16: 10 New
                0
                "What load can a penguin carry in the inner compartments, observing the stealth mode" ////
                ----
                Small. But very deadly, falling from the KVO in 1 m.
                This is enough to destroy key targets. And then they will add kilograms and tons of F-15 and others.
              7. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 16: 14 New
                0
                But very deadly

                And I’m talking about this ... And pray more, but better, and agree so that you are not extinguished, you cannot defend yourself ... without the United States ... with ordinary MLRS ... and electronic warfare means ... through and through. ..
              8. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 31 August 2020 16: 26 New
                0
                Thank you drinks , we have coped before, and now we will not be lost.
                Especially with a hundred penguins pregnant with accurate weapons.
              9. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 16: 28 New
                0
                Are we the USA and Israel?
              10. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 31 August 2020 16: 30 New
                0
                We are Israelis. yes
              11. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 16: 32 New
                0
                Good answer, but wrong! You are Jews and from the USA too, or rather, first of all, with your money! Printed $ 3 trillion for yourself in six months, and you will get it ..
              12. VO3A
                VO3A 31 August 2020 16: 49 New
                0
                There was a Russian. He married a Jewish woman, became a Jew. Fixed status. Divorced. He married a Russian. And he went to stamp Russian Jews or Jewish Russians? Or how ?
              13. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 31 August 2020 16: 55 New
                0
                You have completely confused me ... recourse
                Better ask a rabbi or priest: who has become whom.
                A .... Do you want to marry a Jewess and come to Israel?
                Always Glade drinks
  5. 3danimal
    3danimal 1 September 2020 07: 36 New
    0
    If someone needs you, your F35s will be fixed

    But what about the pernicious curvature of the Earth? smile
    In addition, it is generally a problem to see an unobtrusive aircraft from a long distance.
    Phrase from the position: "we are cool, all these new toys of yours are nothing" negative
  6. VO3A
    VO3A 1 September 2020 10: 16 New
    0
    Curvature of the Earth, taking into account the territory of Israel? What are you smoking?
    Where did you get the longest distance? It is necessary to somehow control the doses ...
  7. 3danimal
    3danimal 1 September 2020 11: 47 New
    0
    At an altitude of 30m, the radio horizon is ~ 30km on a flat (!) Surface. The territory of Israel should be enough. Or are the S-300/400 near the airfield? smile
    And be careful with self-importance, write to the point.
  8. VO3A
    VO3A 1 September 2020 22: 26 New
    0
    You can build a mast or raise an airship on a leash ... It seems that almost everyone has massive brain paralysis ... Remember this circus at a Russian base in Syria ... These people have no idea what and how can be used ...
  9. 3danimal
    3danimal 1 September 2020 23: 00 New
    0
    You can build a mast

    The standard mast also raises the HEADLIGHTS by 20-30m.
    or lift the airship on a leash.

    This is science fiction. What load capacity should be? How stable is it in the wind and what will the ground radar show when there is bumpy? How will you turn the radar?
    There are a lot of questions and they are NOT solved.
    These people do not even know what and how to use ...

    Don't say that with air defenses smile
    With a ground complex worth billions of rubles, no one will let you experiment like that. Even with the reckoning on the spot.
    The only solution is to keep the AWACS in the air. But they are few.
  • Volder
    Volder 3 September 2020 21: 24 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    What does it matter to the pilot how the plane was bought and who paid?
    Pilots are powerless creatures. They don't decide what to fly. The F-35 was recognized as an unsafe aircraft for pilots, but this did not stop flying them.
    It is important for the pilot that he can complete the mission successfully and return to base alive. F-35 meets these criteria
    No, it doesn't. The commission identified about 35 flaws in the F-1000, a hundred of which are critical. And it's not just the software. Google ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 22: 52 New
      +1
      "Pilots are powerless creatures. They don't decide what to fly" ///
      -----
      Maybe so in Russia. But not in Israel. Our pilots are the country's elite.
      When choosing which aircraft to replace the outdated F-16 and F-15,
      the delegation in the States included the best pilots. Chose between:
      Super Hornet F-18, Silent Eagle F-15 and Lighting F-35.
      The F-35's capabilities impressed the pilots much more than its competitors.
      And they were not wrong.
      1. Volder
        Volder 3 September 2020 23: 55 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        When choosing which plane to choose to replace the aging F-16 and F-15, the delegation in the States included the best pilots. Chose between:
        Super Hornet F-18, Silent Eagle F-15 and Lighting F-35.
        The point is that Israel chooses exclusively American technology, aircraft. Choice without choice, best of worst. The F-18 Super Hornet is a carrier-based aircraft for an aircraft carrier, and it's not very clever to use it on land airfields. The F-15 Silent Eagle was tested and was not accepted into service when Israel selected its aircraft. So sending Israeli pilots to the United States is just a formality. Decisions are made by politicians.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 September 2020 00: 52 New
        +1
        What is better on the world market?
        Rafale? Typhoon? - they have a single production, for avionics
        they didn't even come close to the last blocks of the F-16.
        A griffin with an engine from Hornet falls short of the F-16.
        Russian planes - without AFARs ...
        Whatever one may say, the F-35 is ahead of everyone in electronics by a generation.
        It is produced on an assembly line. Engines are always available.
      3. Volder
        Volder 4 September 2020 20: 12 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        What is better on the world market?
        Of course have. This is the Su-35S with the N035 Irbis, which has a detection range of 400 km. And the engines on the Russian plane are better.
        Russian planes - without AFARs.
        Su-57 is already with them.
        Whatever one may say, the F-35 is ahead of everyone in electronics by a generation.
        Previously overtook, yes. Our Su-57s are not yet exported. But this is for now.
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 September 2020 20: 58 New
        0
        The Su-57 is not yet on the market.
        I have listed only those aircraft that are mass-produced.
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 31 August 2020 17: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Israeli pilots are happy with it. The departing F-16s are not bored.

    In Russia, some kind of heightened reaction to the F35. Just like a red rag for a bull.
    In all flight parameters, it is at least not worse, and more often than F-16, A-10, F / A-18, AV-8B, in stealth and computing power it surpasses by a head. At a unit price, it is cheaper or the same as for the latest modifications of the F16 / 15/18, slightly more expensive than the Su 30, MiG 35 and cheaper than the Su 35. But for some reason it is super expensive and disastrous.
    Even adequate people in the segment on the F35 blows the roof.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 1 September 2020 07: 46 New
      +2
      Such an ideological attitude. And whoever disagrees with the "party line" broadcast in the media and "correct" (often yellowing) sites is an unpatriot, a propagandist and, in general, a spy laughing
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 29 August 2020 13: 59 New
    -2
    Another set of stereotypes. Reliability was answered. The price of the F-16V Block 70/72 is higher than that of the F35A. Interceptors exist only in the Russian army (maybe someone else has remained in the cis), the F15 was not included in the JSF program, the A10 has not been engaged in "ground attack" for a long time.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 31 August 2020 06: 18 New
      0
      The price of the F-16V Block 70/72 is higher than that of the F35A

      So the reduced price is already a disadvantage? Not so long ago, after all, the 35th was scolded for being "golden" smile
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 17: 14 New
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    clearly not an interceptor like Tomcat, dubious air superiority capabilities like the F-15.


    It was not intended for this. The F-14, by the way, was not a clean interceptor.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 31 August 2020 06: 24 New
    -1
    attack aircraft to replace the A-10 from it so-so

    Drones are now hanging over the battlefield. And the 35th works on SDB and other WTO targets.
    not an interceptor like Tomcat, dubious air superiority capabilities like the F-15.

    Tomcat is quite a fighter. On "Top Gun" he won victories in maneuver battles against T-38 and F-5.
    About F-15 .. Look at the statistics of its use. The most productive, perhaps. Now - with new engines, radar with AFAR and avionics is still relevant.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 August 2020 07: 06 New
      0
      Quote: 3danimal
      Drones are now hanging over the battlefield. And the 35th works on SDB and other WTO targets.


      So why don't they want to write off Thunderbolt if everything is so great :?
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 31 August 2020 07: 13 New
        -2
        As far as I know, this is in the plans. And he is quite good at low intensity conflicts. And there are also many of them, with a resource that you want to use request
  • Orange
    Orange bigg 29 August 2020 13: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: Gorecc
    mantras about rofar have already gone, soon in the Internet battles it will catch up with the all-powerful Russian rab and other wunderwalks that have no analogues in the world, zhdemss)
    and the f-35, whatever you say, is an advanced aircraft, which here and now is equipped with the world's best afar radar (which the Russian industry has not been able to master until now), and not the mythical rofar ... and by the way, this aircraft is already being produced in hundreds, and so -50 not even in the troops)


    We have our own AFAR.
    AFAR ZHUK-AM for Mig-35 at the request of the customer.
    During the work of the international exhibition it also became known that the Fazotron-NIIR corporation is completing the production of the first radar station with an active phased antenna array (AFAR) for MiG-29 fighters.


    "Some MiG-29 customers want to see this station on an aircraft, the Russian military also intend to equip a MiG-35 fighter with it. As soon as the radar is tested, there will be funding and a contract. It is assumed that the whole process will be completed within about two years - we will manufacture about four samples, we will put on the plane and conduct tests, "- said a TASS source at the exhibition. According to him, a foreign operator of the MiG-29 will probably act as the launch customer. The new radar station with AFAR for the MiG-29/35 fighters was named "Zhuk-AM".

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5774777

    AFAR Squirrel for Su-57.
    In the Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirova (NIIP, part of the Almaz-Antey VKO concern) Izvestia was told that during flight tests the N036 radar confirmed the declared parameters. This radar will ensure the superiority of the Russian aircraft over any enemy, including the American fifth generation fighters: F-22 and F-35.

    https://iz.ru/703590/sergei-valchenko-aleksei-ramm-aleksandr-kruglov/totalnyi-radar-su-57
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 13: 51 New
      -2
      Naval RLC Zaslon built on AFAR, though there is not a damn thing just does not work yet, alas.
    2. mvg
      mvg 29 August 2020 16: 04 New
      -7
      We have our own AFAR.
      AFAR ZHUK-AM for Mig-35 at the request of the customer.

      It exists in your imagination. Are there production planes with them? Is there a serial Squirrel?
      PS: In secret, there is not enough protein for everyone, but there is a Chipmunk. Just for you and the same.
      1. Orange
        Orange bigg 29 August 2020 16: 24 New
        +4
        PS: In secret, there is not enough protein for everyone, but there is a Chipmunk. Just for you and the same.

        Do you use? Even a squirrel does not come anymore, only a chipmunk? Does a chipmunk help you fight with reality and with the opinions of people telling you about real things? Well, your right, since it makes it easier for you.
        It exists in your imagination.

        I have given you specific data on the AFAR tests above. You deny everything. It is not in my imagination that there are domestic AFAR, it is in your imagination that they do not exist.
        Are there production planes with them? Is there a serial Squirrel?

        The squirrel passed state tests as part of the Su-57. The first production samples of which are currently being built under a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense. So the serial AFAR Belka, which has passed state tests, is available and will soon enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces as part of the Su-57.
        1. mvg
          mvg 29 August 2020 16: 52 New
          -6
          The squirrel has passed state tests as part of the Su-57, the first production samples of which are currently being built under a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense

          Seriously? Have you seen it yourself? Or has the screwdriver assembly already become serial?
          What, are they really "under construction", have they seen it again? Already in August, all are not built in any way .. about the plan of 12 pcs / year
          1. Orange
            Orange bigg 29 August 2020 17: 29 New
            10
            For your information, what is a screwdriver assembly.
            Screwdriver assembly is a SKD or SKD assembly (from the English Semi Knocked Down - "semi-disassembled", also ironically "screwdriver assembly") - a technology for assembling cars, in which the assembly site from the manufacturer is supplied with components completely ready for assembly, often already in the form of large nodes. A machine kit or a standard kit consisting of separate units, assemblies and parts for one assembly unit of equipment is supplied from abroad.
            There is a serial screwdriver assembly. You just incorrectly put it. The production of the Su-57 cannot be, by definition, screwdriver, since no one supplies us in parts from abroad, so that we just assemble it here as a designer, that is, we just made a screwdriver assembly ...
            With regard to serial production, it is being prepared, work is underway.
      2. Volder
        Volder 30 August 2020 19: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: mvg
        Are there production planes with them? Is there a serial Squirrel?
        PS: In secret, there is not enough protein for everyone
        Don't worry about it. Very soon you will see the serial production of AFAR and ROFAR. The road will be mastered by those walking. The Russians are sawing for a long time, but sooner or later they finish. There are lots of examples! Suffice it to recall "Polyment-Redut" ... The main thing is that the ROFAR tests have ALREADY been carried out, this is a working innovation. There was little left to do. Aren't you glad?
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 1 September 2020 07: 49 New
          0
          There was little left to do.

          In Russia, this “business” is never small. Raise the history of new technology entering the series. Most often painful and difficult, at least in the last 20 years.
          Let me remind you: Zircons "next year" have been waiting here since 2011, 2000 T-14s by 2020 - from 2014, a hundred Su-57s by 2020 - also 6 years already.
          Wangyu: 100 Su-57 will be at best by 2030.
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 29 August 2020 13: 44 New
    +4
    They count chickens in the fall) Many boasted of their advanced technology, but this did not stop them from raking from us)
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 1 September 2020 07: 50 New
      0
      Many boasted of their advanced technology, but this did not stop them from getting away from us)

      Who! To rake at what cost in human losses on our part?
    2. Volder
      Volder 3 September 2020 21: 13 New
      0
      Quote: 3danimal
      Raise the history of entering the series of new technology. Most often painful and difficult, at least in the last 20 years.
      However, a lot of new technology has been introduced recently, a lot is in development and is being prepared for introduction. The fact is that Russia does not give up what it started and sooner or later brings it to readiness. Compared to Western countries, they are not developing so many new things. And if they do, they also take a long time to do it. For example, they created the F-35 aircraft for 12 years, after which they began mass production. However, the plane still remains unfinished, raw, with a lot of flaws. Also google the aircraft carrier "Gerald Ford" ... And this despite the fact that Western countries did not experience devastation in the 90s.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 29 August 2020 13: 59 New
    0
    This is a base with a bunch of jambs and sophisticated equipment (which also has a bunch of jambs), the equipment can be replaced in the future and the poor base cannot be straightened in any way, but when cars are produced in a similar raw form, this is a marriage, and, in fact, nobody can recall the marriage there will be a lot of dough vbuhano, and what is he without "invisibility"?
  • lucul
    lucul 29 August 2020 14: 58 New
    +6
    not the mythical Rofar ..

    Note - we did everything ourselves, without any participation of God's chosen ones)))
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 30 August 2020 06: 46 New
    0
    It remains only to shoot yourself ... start my dear, do not pull!
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 30 August 2020 12: 14 New
    +2
    ROFAR is not mythical, we have it in hardware and is now tested. It's about issuing TTZ, creating specific models and launching them into production.
    The USA, China and Europe are also conducting research on the subject of ROFAR.
    Quote: Gorecc
    and the f-35 is an advanced aircraft, which is here and now equipped with the world's best afar radar

    And admiration for the West straightens the convolutions, yeah yes
  • Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 30 August 2020 21: 32 New
    0
    Then why did England refuse to buy it?
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 August 2020 13: 50 New
    10
    Quote: Incvizitor
    just in batch for t 50 to introduce it ...

    Quote: Gorecc
    and the t-50 is not even in the troops)

    Maybe it was precisely the fact that the appearance of FOTAR was expected and explains the fact that so far only 12 Su-57 units have been ordered. Because equipping the board with new avionics immediately makes the Su-57 a 5+ generation aircraft
    ROFAR technology assumes the use of RFM / D (radio frequency modulation / demodulation) of the main optical signals (photons).
    A promising radar will translate the signal into a visualized version, which will provide an opportunity for additional analysis of potential targets. This makes it possible to implement, in particular, a wider frequency range in comparison with AFAR with an upper bar of about 100 GHz. which will enable domestic aviation facilities to receive all the necessary data on multiple and single targets at distances of more than half a thousand kilometers.

    Another major advantage of ROFAR is the stability of the radar to the action of electronic warfare equipment. To suppress the operation of devices with ROFAR, a generator is required, which is at least 2,5-3 times higher than the functionality of existing generators for electronic warfare systems. So far, such a generator (at least in the version of placement on an airplane, helicopter or UAV) does not exist even in the version of promising developments.

    Quote: Gorecc
    Russian aircraft, even the newest ones, still do not have an afar radar,
    This file is exposed by colleagues down the branch in their comments ...
    Therefore, before you write, use your brains to begin with.
    On my own behalf, I will say: our Kulibins simply stepped over the AFAR generation, creating a new avionics based on ROFAR. This is the only way to beat the Yankees. This is our unconventional answer to Uncle Sam - we get around our competitors on the corner by cutting off unnecessary corners!
    AHA.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 21: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: BoA KAA
      so far only 12 Su-57 units have been ordered.


      Generally 2 contracts were signed. The first on 2 Su-57, the second on 76.
  • Husit
    Husit 29 August 2020 11: 55 New
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    we have obtained results that allow us to talk about the prospect of using ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, including in radar survey complexes

    I’m even afraid to write something ... Now the crowd of all the scoundrels will fly in a crowd of two blood regimes, and they will free themselves at the same time ... And they will vulgarize everyone.
    I'll just take off my hat and bow to the developers .. hi
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 29 August 2020 12: 05 New
      17
      Quote: Husit
      we have obtained results that allow us to talk about the prospect of using ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, including in radar survey complexes

      I’m even afraid to write something ... Now the crowd of all the scoundrels will fly in a crowd of two blood regimes, and they will free themselves at the same time ... And they will vulgarize everyone.
      I'll just take off my hat and bow to the developers .. hi

      laughing They are afraid to praise for a really interesting and necessary development for the army, but I'm not afraid if the development is really needed. And in the future there is no way without it.
      At the same time, it is specified that when using ROFAR, not a point will be reflected on the radar screen, but an image of the target, which is unattainable using traditional radar.
      Welcome to the world of smart military technologies. Instantly, ROFAR will determine what kind of target is in front of it. It will classify it. And who knows what next. Maybe the ammunition will pick up the right one. Or it may refuse to shoot (give a warning) that there is a civilian. Without waiting for visual contact with the target. ...
      1. Husit
        Husit 29 August 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Observer2014
        They are afraid to praise for a really interesting and necessary development for the army, but I'm not afraid if the development is really needed. And in the future there is no way without it.

        Such things are going on here Observer ... hi I can't spit on everything, the wrong character .. angry
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 12: 06 New
      12
      Quote: Husit
      Now the crowd of all the scoundrels will fly in a crowd of blood, and they will free themselves at the right amount ... And they will vulgarize everything.

      They will start to get tired that this is the Soviet groundwork, since the new efficient sawers cannot do anything by definition.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 29 August 2020 11: 59 New
    +3
    A huge request to local experts, please explain, is this the same as AFAR or are there differences and in whose favor are they? And is there already an understanding of the comparative characteristics with respect to similar equipment on the F-22?
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 29 August 2020 12: 04 New
      15
      Not at all special.
      I apologize in advance.
      However, I read it periodically and did not believe in the certainty of the prospects for the result.
      The difference is serious.
      I will not profane on the technology.
      Hopefully those who know the technology will join.
      But in practical terms of application, this means a lot.
      In particular, modern stealth technologies are not a masking factor for this type of radar.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 29 August 2020 12: 06 New
        +3
        Intrigued. It will be necessary to read at your leisure, that at least have a general idea.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 29 August 2020 12: 07 New
      -23
      The technology is classified like .... Rofar, until the calculations are "myth".
      Ps. That is, until there is a count at the Lightning level, no one will be able to understand if there are key difficulties ..
      1. Operator
        Operator 29 August 2020 12: 12 New
        +6
        From the point of view of the Papuans of New Guinea, all European technologies are sheer secrets and "myths" laughing
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 29 August 2020 12: 16 New
          -20
          This is yes. It would not be correct to evaluate everything in a narrow circle. For example, there is UCLA, Standord. Provide something .... In addition to slogans. Or the mentality of "cartoons"
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 12: 35 New
            +9
            Quote: Shahno
            The technology is classified like .... Rofar, until the calculations are "myth".
            Ps. That is, until there is a count at the Lightning level, no one will be able to understand if there are key difficulties ..

            If the technology is classified, what kind of calculations do you expect to see? On what basis should someone, someone, provide something?
            It is strange that you did not mention Cambridge and Oxford. Or are you only impressed by American universities?
            "The Big Bang Theory" is certainly a funny series, but building on its basis an idea of ​​science and technology is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 29 August 2020 12: 57 New
              -8

              That's actually ...
              I dont know. Do you really believe that research in the military sphere is happening from scratch?
              There is also an answer about the states.
              And I'm not their fan at all. I am from another state.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 13: 07 New
                +2
                You construct phrases in a very peculiar way. Is the Russian language foreign to you?
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 29 August 2020 13: 21 New
                  -6
                  Do you want to compete with me on the knowledge of the Russian language? Was born in Samara. For some time I live in Israel. So what?
                  Read Gogol, Mayakovsky, it will be calmer laughing
                  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 13: 27 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Mayakovsky

                    Can you quote?
                    Judging by your pseudonym, you consider yourself to be a Polish noble family. Do you have a reason for this?
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 29 August 2020 14: 11 New
                      -2
                      Whether you love women and food, give your life to please. I'd rather serve the bar ... pineapple water.
                      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 14: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Shahno
                        Whether you love women and food, give your life to please. I'd rather serve the bar ... pineapple water.

                        Strange choice.
                        I like it more:

                        Memory!
                        Collect from the brain in the hall
                        loved ones inexhaustible queue.
                        Laugh from eye to eye.
                        Old weddings are the night of the row.
                        Pour fun from body to body.
                        Let no one forget the night.
                        I'll play the flute tonight.
                        On your own spine.
                      2. Shahno
                        Shahno 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
                        -2
                        Yes, also in the subject ... But still.
                        I have now moved away from photonics a little since I worked with Soyfer in Samara ... Since then, I believe only in proven things ...
                      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 August 2020 14: 57 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Shahno
                        I have now moved away from photonics a little since I worked with Soyfer in Samara ... Since then, I believe only in proven things

                        Good comment.
                        But if you had in mind Valery Nikolaevich, then he is a biophysicist, and he devoted the bulk of his activities to the study of DNA.
                        What did he say about radio photonics? Can you tell us a little?
                  2. RUnnm
                    RUnnm 29 August 2020 15: 42 New
                    0
                    And in the course, in response to which poem, which author and for what reason he wrote it? This is a very interesting story. Just for WWI and World War I.
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 29 August 2020 14: 08 New
                +8
                Quote: Shahno
                want to to compete with me on knowledge of Russian

                No-a ... You can only "compete" in the knowledge of the RUSSIAN language ... "a lame one who even gets rich, he will not come to the finish line first"! (from) laughing
                They taught, but forgot - it happens ... Especially in a foreign land ... yes
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 29 August 2020 14: 44 New
                  0
                  Thanks for your kind words. laughing
          2. Peter S
            Peter S 29 August 2020 18: 14 New
            +1
            Not a fan, we see. And you're lying like a real one! The vast majority of lasers (in pieces) are made by IPG Photonics. Daughter of IRE-Polyus. The owner is the inventor of the pulsed fiber laser - comrade. Gapontsev. They scattered their capacities in the USA, Germany, Italy. But! Development is being carried out in Fryazino.
          3. vVvAD
            vVvAD 30 August 2020 12: 25 New
            -1

            The question is how to count. If we assume that each, for example, from: KRET, UAC or Rostec is one company, then yes.
            In general, the number of employed companies and their revenues have a very indirect relationship to the development of technologies: there were, as it were, a little wink
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 30 August 2020 18: 25 New
              +1
              So what matters. Judging by the opinion of colleagues, this is secrecy ...
              Agree strangely like that. Are there KRET and Rostec companies whose peaceful developments should have an economic effect? Or, these are classified sharashki. Against whom we are fighting, whom we want to destroy. At least strange.
              Where are civil developments, where is the economical effect of them. Or again, we will nod at sanctions and not love.
  • ultra
    ultra 29 August 2020 12: 09 New
    +8
    The radio-photonic radar, in fact, is a searchlight, in the future it will allow obtaining a three-dimensional detailed image of the irradiated object.
    1. Peter S
      Peter S 29 August 2020 18: 17 New
      0
      Absolutely not. And an ordinary radar is not a "spotlight". A spotlight is a locator. A rofar is an array of receivers for "low-frequency" photons.
  • Orange
    Orange bigg 29 August 2020 12: 22 New
    +9
    Quote: RUnnm
    A huge request to local experts, please explain, is this the same as AFAR or are there differences and in whose favor are they? And is there already an understanding of the comparative characteristics with respect to similar equipment on the F-22?


    Read it yourself. The link below is the principle of operation of a radio-optical phased antenna array. I will give in the quotes the differences from the AFAR.
    “Photonics is essentially an analogue of electronics, using quanta of the electromagnetic field of optical frequency — photons — instead of electrons. Radiophotonics is an integral part of nanophotonics, which studies the directional interaction of optical waves with nanostructures, while radiophotonics studies the directional interaction of optical waves modulated by radio frequency in specialized nanostructures and allows the creation of radio frequency devices with parameters unattainable for traditional electronics, due to the fact that photons, in unlike electrons, they do not have rest mass and charge, which gives potentially ultra-high speed and unique noise immunity. "

    Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/fotonnye-radary-fotonika-stels-texnologii.html
    naukatehnika.com


    ROFAR will allow us to see the plane located 500 kilometers away, as if we were standing 50 meters away from it at the airfield, its portrait in the video range. Moreover, if necessary, this technology will allow you to look into the plane itself, find out what people and equipment are in it, since the signal can pass any obstacles, even meter-long lead walls, thanks to the use of a wide frequency range, penetrating to various depths into the object. " KRET wrote that radio-optical phased antenna arrays will significantly expand the capabilities of modern communication facilities and radars - their resolution will increase tenfold. If a modern radar has a radiation frequency of 10 GHz, 3 cm with a spectrum width of 1-2 GHz, then for ROFAR this frequency can be from 1 Hz to 100 GHz at the same time. In practice, this means that ROFAR can provide a detailed, three-dimensional image of what is happening at a distance of hundreds of kilometers from it. For example, at a distance of 400 km you can not only see a person, but even recognize his face. “Unlike traditional radars, it will not be physically possible to drown out ROFAR with traditional electronic warfare means. The dynamic range of a photonic crystal is approximately 200 dB. A modern radio-electronic receiver, for comparison, has a range of 40 - 60 dB, and we use modern electronic warfare systems to provide a signal to the input of a radio receiver - 70-80 dB relative to its threshold sensitivity. Thus, the device that should receive the signal is taken out of serviceable state. Even after removing the obstacle, processes are still going on inside him that do not allow him to work. But on Earth there is simply no source of energy to supply a signal with a power exceeding 200 dB, so this logic in the case of ROFAR simply does not work. It can be confused by the so-called intellectual countermeasures, but that is a completely different story.

    Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/fotonnye-radary-fotonika-stels-texnologii.html
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    1. riwas
      riwas 29 August 2020 13: 39 New
      +6
      Here is an interesting article about a radar station based on radio photonics elements.
      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/kontseptsiya-postroeniya-radiolokatsionnoy-stantsii-na-osnove-elementov-radiofotonikihttps://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/kontseptsiya-postroeniya-radiolokatsionnoy-stantsii-na-osnove-elementov-radiofotoniki
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 August 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Read it yourself.

      Colleague, thanks for the links. Very informative and in the subject. hi
    3. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
      +3
      > quanta of the electromagnetic field of optical frequency

      Kapets. Did the authors even study at school? Photon, by definition, is a quantum of electromagnetic radiation, on the basis of which all radars are built. Technically speaking, all radars use photons.

      And about ROFAR is well written in the first paragraph of the Operator's message below (however, in the second paragraph - his usual nonsense).
  • mark1
    mark1 29 August 2020 12: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: RUnnm
    Explain, please, is this the same as AFAR or are there differences and in whose favor are they?

    It's just that the signals in such an AFAR are now generated by semiconductor lasers, transmitted over fiber-optic lines and converted into microwave radiation using special chips. All this makes it possible to significantly improve the parameters of the AFAR.
    Radar efficiency increases from 30-40% to 60-70%
    as a result, we can create a high-power radar. (Advisor to the first deputy general director of KRET Vladimir Mikheev):
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 August 2020 13: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: RUnnm
    with respect to similar equipment on the f-22?

    The fact of the matter is that there is nothing like this on the F-22!
    It's like a SATELLITE at the dawn of space travel, like a vaccine against COVID-19 --- NO ONE HAS ANYTHING LIKE !!!
    We are first!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 12: 00 New
    11
    Vega is a serious concern. Very classified. And the people there are adequate. If they say, then they did it.
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 12: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Vega is a serious concern. Very classified. And the people there are adequate. If they say, then they did it.

      I hope so too! Let the zhurnalyugs talk less and do not interfere with work .. Otherwise it will begin!
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 12: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Husit

        I hope so too! Let the zhurnalyugs talk less and do not interfere with work .. Otherwise it will begin!

        I supplied them with my installations. Therefore, I know them a little from within.
        1. Husit
          Husit 29 August 2020 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Husit

          I hope so too! Let the zhurnalyugs talk less and do not interfere with work .. Otherwise it will begin!

          I supplied them with my installations. Therefore, I know them a little from within.

          You shouldn't have written that Zhen .. Now they will send you suggestions in a personal message, etc.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 13: 17 New
            +5
            Quote: Husit

            You shouldn't have written this Zhen .. Now they will send you suggestions in a personal message, etc.

            Not for sale tongue cheap ... When you are allowed only to the area where you work, gadgets are taken away at the entrance, an attendant is required, and instead of a pass - fingerprints - you will not see much there! Computers in the office - without USB connectors and other communicators. The network is only internal. Etc. in short, perhaps the "partners" would be curious and see - only, in my opinion, even if they take the worker, and even under torture, they will get little ...
            1. Husit
              Husit 29 August 2020 14: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Quote: Husit

              You shouldn't have written this Zhen .. Now they will send you suggestions in a personal message, etc.

              Not for sale tongue cheap ... When you are allowed only to the area where you work, gadgets are taken away at the entrance, an attendant is required, and instead of a pass - fingerprints - you will not see much there! Computers in the office - without USB connectors and other communicators. The network is only internal. Etc. in short, perhaps the "partners" would be curious and see - only, in my opinion, even if they take the worker, and even under torture, they will get little ...

              This is what I wanted to hear from you Zhen! hi So all is not lost yet .. hi
              Thank you, and then they yell screaming .. straight ears lays! People like you here (and others like you rarely write), well, God forbid. And then "salesmen" and others are constantly running around here .. They are looking for traitors to the military-industrial complex
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Not for sale tongue cheap ...
              Hmm, how much will you sell for?
              What is the starting price, let's say $ 33 thousand (just kidding))) I'm serious ..
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 23: 15 New
                0
                Quote: Husit
                What is the starting price of $ 33 thousand (just kidding))) I'm serious

                No, not for so much laughing
            2. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 15: 24 New
              -2
              Thanks for the interesting information. hi
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 15: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Thanks for the interesting information

                Help? To your health ... use ...
                1. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 15: 27 New
                  -5
                  I see your iron and only argument comrade toy and boastful marshal, are these minuses?
                  Of course, the intellect of you is just rushing.)
                  I understood you from the generation of upstart marshals 14 years old.
                  Was the title expensive?
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 15: 30 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexey Sommer
                    Of course, the intellect of you is just rushing.)

                    Eat. To your health ...
                    1. Alexey Sommer
                      Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 15: 36 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Mountain Shooter
                      Eat. To your health ...

                      Did you teach me manners this morning?)
                      They called him a taxi driver ..
                      Not ashamed?
                      1. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 17: 13 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        Taxi driver was called

                        Is it? Apparently flattered, since you do not see the difference between a generalized sentence and a personal appeal (insult?) ...
                      2. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 17: 42 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        you don't see the difference between a generalized maxim and a personal appeal

                        In a personal address, "you" is written with a capital letter.
                        A new word for "maxim" in your lexicon storeroom?
                        Congratulations! But I'm afraid not quite out of place.
                        Explore the meaning. hi
                      3. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 17: 48 New
                        +1
                        Perfectly in place. I recommend expanding your vocabulary.
                      4. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 17: 51 New
                        -3
                        You bore me.
                      5. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 18: 00 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        You bored me

                        Move away ...
                      6. Alexey Sommer
                        Alexey Sommer 29 August 2020 18: 01 New
                        -3
                        Only after you. hi
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 29 August 2020 22: 53 New
    +2
    Eugene, it can even "flow" from the Lubyanka ... remember V. Bakatin (the chairman of the KGB on August 29 - December 3, 1991) and the transmission of the "us embassy wiretapping scheme" ... You can recall E. Snowden ...
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 30 August 2020 12: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Computers in the office - without USB connectors and other communicators. The network is only internal. Etc.

    A little clarification: these are not even computers in the usual sense of the word, but simply input-output terminals. On the domestic component base and software. And the most recent transistor is certified according to GOSTs in the field of information security. And this is the case not only in government agencies, but also in all critical private corporations and their subcontractors.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 29 August 2020 12: 00 New
    +2
    It has been written for a long time that the means of search, reconnaissance, control will develop in parallel with the means / methods of camouflage!
    It has always been so ... who will be ahead, we'll see.
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 13: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      It has always been so ... who will be ahead, we'll see.

      Whoever is the first to destroy the enemy's communications satellites won the war!
      Internet connection dropped !!!! What starts in the west .. House!
      And with us, how can we do without social networks? Line up, let's go dig trenches and points of contact in Morse code hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 August 2020 13: 42 New
        0
        It is possible to destroy satellites, only it is expensive in all respects.
        Technically, several countries can do this, but the costs are above the roof ...
        By the way, real guys know about this, and they are already taking some measures to level the problem.
  • KCA
    KCA 29 August 2020 12: 01 New
    12
    It becomes clear the unwillingness of our military to put AFAR everywhere and everywhere, or rather it was clear right away, after the first mentions of ROFAR, just unexpectedly quickly they switched from theory to practice, recently, a year or two ago, there was a TV program, where Vega's representative told how wonderful it was , but did not even hint that the stage of theory had passed, tests in hardware were underway
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 13: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: KCA
      just unexpectedly quickly they switched from theory to practice, recently, a year or two ago, there was a TV program, there a representative of Vega told how wonderful it was, but did not even hint that the stage of theory had passed, tests in hardware were underway

      And remember, "Putin's cartoons" ..There were screams too ..And then they were on duty!
      Everything turned out beautifully and the most secret .. hi
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 August 2020 14: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: KCA
      recently, a year or two ago, there was a TV program,

      Five years have passed since the announcement of the representatives of KRET (Concern "Radioelectronic Technologies") to begin work on a promising project related to the creation of radio-optical phased antenna arrays. Initially, the work was initiated by the FPI (Foundation for Advanced Research).
      That is, since 2015, the media has become known ... how many years before that the theoretical basis for FOTAR was developed?
      1. KCA
        KCA 29 August 2020 14: 31 New
        +2
        It is known about the beginning of work, I wrote that in the program they talked about ROFAR, how it is, what it is, what are the advantages, but did not say that the theoretical studies were completed and full-scale tests were underway
  • Operator
    Operator 29 August 2020 12: 04 New
    +2
    ROFAR - just ( laughing ) conversion of an optical signal into a radio signal (and vice versa) directly in the transmit-receive antenna modules, which significantly reduces the weight, dimensions and power consumption of the rest of the radar equipment.

    This technology allows the use of an ultra-wide spectrum of radiation, including millimeter, centimeter and decimeter waves. Radio imaging ("target image") provides millimeter-wave radiation, but it naturally spreads over short distances due to intense attenuation in the atmosphere.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 August 2020 12: 10 New
    +2
    "... results that allow us to talk about the prospect of application
    ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, "////
    ----
    Nicely said: "the results that allow SPEAKING
    about the application perspective ... " smile
    1. KCA
      KCA 29 August 2020 12: 17 New
      +6
      This is a very common expression in the scientific, technical and research environment, such as "the results of the study of the remains allow us to say that they belonged to a wealthy merchant of the 13-14 centuries", what is wrong? Have you ever seen / read such phrases?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 August 2020 13: 12 New
        -3
        1) What is ROFAR - read very carefully, from beginning to end,
        posts of users "Operator" and "mark1".
        2) After reading, you will understand that ROFAR is a logical development of AFAR, its next
        evolutionary generation.
        3) There is nothing fantastic and cannot be: radio signals are weakened and scattered
        but the atmosphere. And the shorter the waves, the stronger the losses.
        4) For this reason, stealth is not particularly threatened by ROFAR.
        At short distances, the new AFAR-ROFARs will cut stealth more accurately, but at large
        distances, meter radars are still relevant.
        Stealth will be dangerous network systems with strong computers and many AFARs,
        exchanging data in real time.
        1. KCA
          KCA 29 August 2020 14: 21 New
          +5
          I, in fact, did not write that this is a panacea for stealth, I wrote that, probably, due to the close appearance of ROFAR, they did not focus on AFAR, the point is in power consumption and dimensions, most likely you will not have to install water cooling and the entire ROFAR radar will replace the PFAR without time-consuming modifications to the aircraft
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 August 2020 14: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And the shorter the waves, the stronger the losses.

          Voyaka, I have the impression that you are not familiar with frequency modulation of a signal ... so you are telling us about the attenuation of the mm-range ...
          Or are you the second Jacobi? and you know something that the scientific community does not know.
          Then do not torment your soul - share your pearls with the "rest" of humanity!
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 15: 41 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          After reading, you will understand that ROFAR is a logical development of AFAR


          ROFAR (as described in the first paragraph of the operator's post) is orthogonal to AFAR. Which, of course, does not contradict the fact that ROFAR will be AFAR.
    2. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 12: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "... results that allow us to talk about the prospect of application
      ROFAR as part of the latest marine, aviation and space technology, "////
      ----
      Nicely said: "the results that allow SPEAKING
      about the application perspective ... " smile

      Well, the experts arrived in time, IDF Sergeant .. bully
      1. iouris
        iouris 29 August 2020 12: 37 New
        -9
        I strongly recommend: speak on the merits of the question stated by the author, or at least on the style of presentation. And each reader will appreciate your expert level (to the extent of his depravity).
        1. Husit
          Husit 29 August 2020 13: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: iouris
          I strongly recommend: speak on the merits of the question stated by the author, or at least on the style of presentation. And each reader will appreciate your expert level (to the extent of his depravity).

          I learn from you malice and vulgarity lol ..Excuse me if I hurt your "exclusivity"
          We also have the right to do so. wink
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 August 2020 12: 32 New
    +2
    Gee gee F 35 at a glance. And what kind of project is the project ... As a surprise it was not, like Caliber, Zircon and Peresvet. Not all the Jews should be ahead of the rest. laughing
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 29 August 2020 12: 34 New
    +4
    Let's hope that on the modernized su-57 it will be a standard vehicle.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 29 August 2020 12: 43 New
    13
    The Russian concern "Vega" of the holding "Ruselectronics" has completed tests of a prototype of an active phased antenna array based on radio photonics - ROFAR. This was announced by the general director of the concern Vyacheslav Mikheev.



    Vyacheslav Mikheev talks about the prototype, which means that it is in iron. This is really a hole!
    With such a radar, both the Su30 and the Su35S and the MiG 35 will have 5+ generation, so that all air-fueling Russie immediately goes to the 5+ generation!
    Congratulations, now I wish Vega a quick prototype for the plane and put it in the series.
    Once again I CONGRATULATE!
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 29 August 2020 12: 53 New
      +8
      The ability to use is unlimited, it can also be crammed into drones that are long-term in the air, in an air defense missile, explosives (at which it can aim exactly at the pilot smile ) against ship missiles, etc. Many doors were opened.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 August 2020 14: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Wolf
        can also be crammed into drones that are long-term in the air, in an air defense missile,

        Of course, you can shove it in ... Is it necessary?
        And than. The price / quality issue is also not clear yet. Yes, and it is useless for owls to circulate secret developments so widely that they can be lost due to various circumstances. Look, the Yankees keep their F-22 under their ass and don't sell it to anyone. It's time for us to grow wiser.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 29 August 2020 13: 06 New
    12
    So elegantly they took and multiplied by zero the heels of the Pentagon programs for several trillions of killed raccoons) Surprise ... laughing
    1. Husit
      Husit 29 August 2020 13: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: KelWin
      So elegantly they took and multiplied by zero the heels of the Pentagon programs for several trillions of killed raccoons) Surprise ... laughing

      Well, if you are sincere, then you are right .. (your avatar and nickname worries you) hi
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 29 August 2020 13: 35 New
        +7
        Well if you are sincere

        Absolutely sincere, do not hesitate)
  • grumbler
    grumbler 29 August 2020 13: 12 New
    +4
    I'll add my 5 kopecks. Correctly wrote the Operator Today, 12:04 pm - indeed, there is nothing anti-scientific and "wunder-waff" in ROFAR.
    Here is a very good interview, where a competent popular explanation of the principles of ROFAR operation is given: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4442931, 27 July 2017, 09:06 "KRET has created an experimental model of a photonic radar for a sixth generation fighter":
    Radio photon radar
    As Mikheev explained, in a conventional radar station (radar), radiation is generated by electrovacuum or semiconductor devices, their efficiency is relatively low - 30-40%. The remaining 60-70% of the energy is converted into heat.
    "In the new radar, the radar signal is obtained by converting the energy of a coherent laser into microwave radiation by a photonic crystal. Such a transmitter will have an efficiency of at least 60-70%. That is, most of the laser energy will be converted into radar, as a result of which we we can create a high-power radar, "he said.
    At the photon transmitter it will also be possible to obtain ultra-wideband radiation, which is physically impossible on a conventional radar.


    In addition, I will add that the most important advantage of ROFAR is that since The microwave emitter is pumped with laser radiation, then you can supply power to the cells-emitters of the PA in the optical range, through the optical fibers. This dramatically reduces crosstalk and interference between modules.
    And if they can also convert the signal from the radio range to optics directly in the receiver cell (perhaps performing digitization right there?), Then the input signal can be transported to the optics processing unit.
    It will also make the antenna canvas easier and more flexible to adjust it to the contours of the body / wings / superstructures.

    It is also correctly noted that ultra-broadband radio emission can be generated due to pumping by very short laser pulses. Those. one AFAR will be able to "touch" objects at different wavelengths, which significantly reduces the effectiveness of modern stealth technologies (coatings, surface geometry).
    Now we have to move on to the use of "semi-passive" metamaterials and active means of suppressing the reflected signal.

    I read an article about microwave laser generation in UFN2 back in the 90s. But then it was still the cutting edge of applied physics. 25 years have passed and knowledge has been transformed into an engineering solution, into devices. Thanks to the country's leadership (and the very one that I so often harshly criticize from a liberal standpoint) and Soros (and the same one whom the Stalinist patriots blame for the "collapse of everything") - they were able to save professors (many of our teachers were "Soros professors" and only because of this they were able to continue working in Russia!), scientific and engineering Schools that turned out to be able to prepare a new generation of "fundamentalists" and "applied people" - physicists, mathematicians, materials scientists and chemists, and development engineers, production workers who can transform knowledge into "hardware" and software.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 29 August 2020 14: 03 New
      -4
      I understand that this technology will not bring any special breakthroughs in stealth detection, or does the ultra-wideband signal give some advantage in this?
      1. grumbler
        grumbler 29 August 2020 15: 09 New
        +3
        It just gives. "Stealth" technologies are still sharpened for reducing radar visibility in a rather narrow frequency range emitted by classical radars. The US signal is "smeared" in a very wide frequency range, and at least somewhere the irradiated object will be visible.
        Therefore, the introduction of ROFAR can significantly reduce the effectiveness of generally accepted stealth technologies.
        1. grumbler
          grumbler 29 August 2020 15: 16 New
          +2
          The forum engine persists in auto-changing the abbreviation for UltraWideBand signal to "USA". Well, what's up?
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 30 August 2020 10: 57 New
            0
            The forum engine persists in auto-changing the abbreviation for UltraWideBand signal to "USA". Well, what's up?
            This is it from political correctness. Otherwise they will think that they are hinting at a name similar to Pakistan.
            Thanks for the detailed clarification
        2. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 29 August 2020 18: 09 New
          +2
          "Stealth" technologies are still sharpened for reducing radar visibility in a rather narrow frequency range
          The narrow frequency range is decimetres and centimeters. What's your UWB signal? In the ranges of dm. and see this signal will be as ineffective as a conventional AFAR (the principle of generation is different, but um wave it is an um wave), and what remains? In meters, obviously, it will not work, the dimensions are not the same, but we get down to mm, IR, visible, UV radiation, etc. The detection range is too small in these ranges. And what's the bottom line? More efficient AFAR (efficiency is 2 times higher), with the possibility of conformal placement of antennas?
          1. grumbler
            grumbler 29 August 2020 19: 58 New
            0
            I understand "ultra-wideband" in comparison with narrow frequency bands emitted by "narrowband" radars, where the current measures to reduce radar visibility (and possibly even ~ decimeters, meters) work effectively, https://www.radartutorial.eu/02.basics /rp21.ru.html
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 30 August 2020 11: 45 New
              +1
              Didn't you answer the question, how much of this ultra-wideband signal will make the breakthrough in stealth detection? Dm. and see, obviously, will remain as ineffective due to the sharpening of the stealth for these ranges
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 15: 09 New
      -2
      Quote: grumbler
      KRET has created an experimental prototype of a photonic radar for a sixth generation fighter


      All radars are photonic. That's all.
      1. grumbler
        grumbler 29 August 2020 15: 24 New
        +2
        Formally, you are right. But, firstly, in classical radars they work more in a "wave" representation than they deal with photons-particles (although semi-natural microwave electronics are the basis of modern AFAR, it is certainly "quantum electronics" in full growth). Second, the technology had to be given some sonorous name to emphasize the new principle of generating electromagnetic waves.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 29 August 2020 13: 31 New
    -3
    I hope he is not Rogozin. Then the news is great.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 29 August 2020 13: 43 New
    -4
    finished testing a prototype of an active phased antenna array based on radio photonics
    I wonder how many years will pass before production samples? 10-15 or more?
    to stick around the Su-57 from all sides, it would immediately nullify all the advantages of stealth, oh dreams, dreams
    I think if we shared this technology with the Chinese on the basis of joint production, then in a couple of years they would have put it on airplanes, but who will go for it, and they will bring it to mind for decades, and then everyone else will catch up
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 29 August 2020 13: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    2) After reading, you will understand that ROFAR is a logical development of AFAR, its next
    evolutionary generation.
    The next development of AFAR is CAR, that is, an antenna array of digital transceiver modules. In CAR, the antenna directivity pattern, both for reception and transmission, is formed entirely in digital form. Now the digital method of forming the diagrams is partially implemented in the receiving channel of the radar with AFAR. For reception, the antenna array is divided into, say, 32 subarrays. Accordingly, there is a 32-channel receiver with an ADC. Phase distribution between sublattices is performed by a digital signal processor. This method, when received, makes it possible to form a fan of diagrams around the main beam in a limited sector. This is necessary for multi-positional radar, when one object emits, and another object receives the reflected signal.
    AFAR with sublattices has been implemented in the west for a long time.
  • yfast
    yfast 29 August 2020 14: 42 New
    +3
    OK, morally we have already suppressed the F-35 and lowered it, now it remains to do it materially.
  • We are for our
    We are for our 29 August 2020 14: 46 New
    0
    Who else can explain in human language what kind of "radiophotonics" is, how does it differ from ordinary radar?
    1. grumbler
      grumbler 29 August 2020 15: 03 New
      +2
      Radiophotonics - the area of ​​applied physics of semiconductors, lying on the border of semiconductor electronics (semiconductor electronics microwave), optoelectronics. What does the "physics of low-dimensional semiconductor structures" (the so-called "quantum dots", "quantum filaments" and heterostructures) have to do, for example, with cellular communications? - this is the principle on which the element base works. Also here, radiophotonics - there is a basis for creating an element base for a new generation of radar systems.
      1. We are for our
        We are for our 29 August 2020 15: 13 New
        -2
        Also here, radiophotonics - there is a basis for creating an element base for a new generation of radar systems.
        those. in fact, the "super-radar" itself supposedly works according to the same classical radar scheme at the same frequencies with approximately the same characteristics ?!
        They tried to develop opto-electronics since the middle of the last century, even photton computers were made, but all over the world the direction was considered unpromising, and in our country (after all, Russia is a well-known leader in the development of electronics, right?))), Not only did they go their own way, so also forced the radar to work on photons?
        Your deeds are wonderful, O Lord.
        1. grumbler
          grumbler 29 August 2020 15: 53 New
          +2
          Yes Maxwell's equations are still valid :)
          The "radio-photon" element base will allow the radars to:
          - to emit ultra-wideband sounding signals (this is a fundamental difference!),
          - this is even greater flexibility in management (CAR, about which Igor Tikhomirov wrote today, 13:45 New)
          - efficiency is significantly increased,
          - solves many problems of electromagnetic compatibility,
          - reduces mass dimensions.
          Isn't that enough? This is a significant step in the development of technology.

          Well, plus a little "advertising" - every innovation must be submitted in order to sell well.
    2. Avior
      Avior 29 August 2020 15: 39 New
      +3
      From what the developers themselves usually say on this topic, in a simplified form, this is a way to control transmitting modules in an Afar antenna.
      In conventional Afar, the modules are controlled by electrical signals, in the rofar module is controlled by a laser beam.
      At the same time, according to the statements of the developers themselves, this method allows to significantly expand the range of operation of the transmitting modules in frequency, which makes it possible to obtain new properties.
      But, to be honest, I have not seen any serious articles about such modules, and to what extent they have an extended range, although I specifically searched.
      If someone gives a link, it will be interesting to read.
      1. grumbler
        grumbler 30 August 2020 11: 05 New
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        There can be very little information about the modules for obvious reasons. But the principles of work in the open press are full of information, see the journals "Quantum Electronika", "Uspekhi Fizicheskikh Nauk", "ZhTEF", "Questions of Radioelectronics", etc. You need to search there, see articles of the second half of the 80s-90s. This is exactly what scientists were doing 30-40 years ago, but now it has matured to a "product". For example:
        L. D. Bakhrakh, A.A. Bliskavitskiy "Opto-microwave methods of forming the radiation of ultra-wideband antennas" // UFN, 1992, vol. 162, No. 2;
        Bakhrakh L. D., Zaitsev D. F., Ostrovsky A. G. "Features of the application of photonics in AFAR";
        Bakhrakh LD, Bliskavitsky AA Application of lasers and fiber-optic systems to control the formation of microwave signals and their distribution in antenna arrays // Quantum Electronics. 1988. Vol.15. No. 5. S. 879 - 914;
        Bakhrakh L. D., Zaitsev D. F. Prospects for the use of analog photonics in radar systems // Antenny. 2004. Issue. 8 - 9.P. 134 - 138;
        Bakhrakh L. D., Zaitsev D. F. Ultra-wideband antennas for aircraft radars with high resolution.
        (links from http://www.radiotec.ru/article/6392)

        What is remarkable is the reverse process! - generation of laser radiation in the optical spectrum (IR) when pumped by microwave radiation:
        SV Baranov, VA Vaulin, MI Lomaev, VN Slinko, SS Sulakshin, VF Tarasenko "On the applicability of high-power microwave pumping for plasma lasers";
        Mineev A.P., Nefedov S.M., Pashinin P.P., Goncharov P.A., Kiselev V.V., Stelmakh O.M. "Multifrequency planar mid-IR lasers with pulsed microwave pumping".
  • Avior
    Avior 29 August 2020 14: 55 New
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    So prototype or demonstrator? Not entirely clear from the text.
    Different things all the same.
    A demonstrator is more of a laboratory model, and a prototype is a really working sample
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 15: 05 New
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      Demonstrator, obviously. But, like the prototype, the demonstrator really works.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 August 2020 15: 17 New
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        Demonstrator is a laboratory setup. Like a Hertz vibrator. Shows the efficiency of the principle.
        And the prototype is a device that is actually working and fulfilling its functions.
        There is a long way from demonstrator to prototype.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 15: 36 New
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          Quote: Avior
          Demonstrator is a laboratory setup. Like a Hertz vibrator. Shows the efficiency of the principle.


          A "demonstrator" usually means a "technology demonstrator". Those. demonstration of the efficiency of the technology, not the principle. And in Mikheev's quote, it is precisely the term "demonstrator", not "prototype" that is given, so there is nothing to argue about.
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 August 2020 15: 42 New
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            The question is what Mikheev means by technology.
            If, in principle, the control of a semiconductor module by a laser, then from this to Rofar radar with the characteristics that Mikheev declares is not a short way.
            They said something like that and about the other - that the speech in the layout is about the software part of the control.
            It is difficult to understand what is true and what is not.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 29 August 2020 16: 39 New
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              Quote: Avior
              They said something like that and about the other - that the speech in the layout is about the software part of the control.


              If I understand the idea correctly (which is not a fact at all), there is no need for complex program control.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 29 August 2020 16: 11 New
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    Quote: Avior
    The question is what Mikheev means by technology.
    In the late USSR, there were many developments in optoelectronic bullshit associated with the processing of radar and hydroacoustic signals. At the same time, the world has long been moving along the path of digital processing technologies. It is possible that an old development of the late 80s was exposed and they are trying to get money from the state budget for it.
    1. alien308
      alien308 29 August 2020 18: 27 New
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      In the late USSR, there were no materials and many modern technologies for the development of such equipment. The result was very low efficiency and large dimensions. More precisely, many materials already existed and many technologies too. But at the laboratory stage. They were not yet suitable for the product.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 29 August 2020 16: 38 New
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    And what prospects open up for missile homing heads, compact powerful without overheating, resistant to electronic warfare.
  • Sarduor
    Sarduor 29 August 2020 17: 02 New
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    Such developments should be kept under the heading "Top Secret", and not blown over all the news
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 August 2020 18: 02 New
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Only after you.

    Then you have to accept.
  • alien308
    alien308 29 August 2020 18: 37 New
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    At the expense of compactness and heat dissipation, they are cunning. There, as a source of energy, a laser, which has a low efficiency. We reduce consumption and heat dissipation in the antenna, and increase the pumping. But you can form whatever you want with the amplitude-phase time dependence of the pulses in a wide band. EW is tortured to score.
  • 123456789
    123456789 29 August 2020 18: 39 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    It breaks less often than the F-16, in our practice. Easier to spot problems:
    built-in diagnostic / prognostic system.
    The inter-flight F-35 service requires more technicians working in parallel.
    Israeli pilots are happy with it. The departing F-16s are not bored.

    For free and sweet vinegar laughing
    How many are lost?
    In Israel -1
    In Japan -1
    In the States -2?
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 29 August 2020 20: 57 New
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    Quote: ltc35
    Of course they lie! 90 nm technical process mastering! And the bourgeois have already mastered the 7 nm technical process and are working closely with 4 nm laughing



    Do you want 3 nm? and for warriors and 90 nm is pretty decent ...
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 29 August 2020 21: 50 New
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    Jack of all trades, maybe in our city the embankment will be finished someday, or money will be laundered
    1. Alexander Borisov
      Alexander Borisov 30 August 2020 21: 07 New
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      Or maybe you can do something yourself?
  • Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 30 August 2020 21: 06 New
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    This breakthrough is no less important than hypersonic weapons. I wonder when ROFAR will enter service with the RF Armed Forces.
  • Mimino
    Mimino 31 August 2020 07: 35 New
    0
    Vega, as always, is on top!
  • grumbler
    grumbler 10 September 2020 23: 32 New
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    It seems to me that we somehow missed the main detail of the radio-photon emitter under the intriguing name "photonic crystal". Dokin has several definitions, maybe someone will be interested.

    Here's a popular article on photonic crystals from a serious author:
    Ilya Polishchuk, Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, prof. MIPT, led. n. from. NRC "Kurchatov Institute"
    "Photonic crystals will be the basis for a new generation of microelectronics", https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1792642

    "Photonic crystal" is a kind of so-called. "metamaterials", this is how they are defined
    I.B. Vendick, O.G. Vendieck in the review "Metamaterials and their application in microwave technology", LETI, 2012:
    Metamaterial is a composite material, the development of which began at the turn of the XX and XXI centuries.
    Artificial periodic structure in the composition of the metamaterial modifies its dielectric
    and magnetic permeability, which allows you to control the laws of dispersion, refraction and reflection
    electromagnetic waves in metamaterial. Theoretical and experimental research and technical
    metamaterial applications cover a wide range of frequencies from radio waves to the visible
    Sveta. In recent years, a number of laboratories have made great strides in research and application
    metamaterials in the ultrahigh frequency range (1-100 GHz).

    Introduction
    Metamaterial is a composite material, the properties of which are determined not so much by the properties of its constituent elements as by an artificially created periodic structure from macroscopic elements with arbitrary sizes and shapes. In a very rough approximation, such macroscopic elements can be considered as
    atoms of extremely large sizes artificially introduced into the initial material. Artificial periodic structure modifies the dielectric and
    the magnetic permeability of the starting material. The developer of metamaterials has the ability to choose various free parameters (sizes of structures,
    form, constant and variable lattice period of the elements forming the structure). One of the possible properties of metamaterials is a negative coefficient
    refraction, which manifests itself with the simultaneous negativity of the dielectric and magnetic permeability of the material.


    One of the pioneers in the study of metamaterials in the USSR was VG Veselago, see "On the formulation of Fermat's principle for light propagating in substances with negative refraction", VG Veselago. "Electrodynamics of materials with a negative refractive index".

    Here is what A.Yu. writes about metamaterials and photonic crystals. Vetluzhsky in the article "Waveguide devices based on linear defects in metal electromagnetic crystals", Institute of Physical Materials Science SB RAS:
    One of the interesting and promising areas of modern radiophysics is the development and study of the properties of photonic (or electromagnetic) crystals and metamaterials.
    These terms are currently used to designate different objects with the same in many respects similar features. First of all, it is the periodic nature of their internal structure, which is an alternation of dielectric or metallic elements with different geometries and different electrophysical characteristics and which determines the peculiarities of the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with them. Speaking about these features, for photonic crystals, first of all, it should be noted that there is a band structure in the spectrum of electromagnetic eigenstates of such objects, which is expressed in the formation of frequency ranges in which radiation either freely passes through the crystal (allowed zones) or is intensely suppressed (forbidden zones) [ 1]. In addition, of great interest is the presence of a pronounced dispersion in photonic crystals, both frequency and spatial, which opens up wide possibilities for their very diverse practical applications [2]. As applied to metamaterials, the main interest in such structures is the unusual nature of reflections and refractions of waves at their boundaries, caused by anomalous (including negative) values ​​of the effective permeabilities of such structures, which, for example, are associated with possible significant changes in the technology of transferring optical images, in particular , overcoming the diffraction limit [3]. The fundamental difference between artificial crystals and meta materials lies in the scale of spatial inhomogeneities that form their internal structure - for the former it is comparable to the radiation wavelength, for the latter it is much less than it.


    And here is the definition in the review by Yu. V. Gulyaev, AN Lagarkov, SA Nikitov "Metamaterials: fundamental research and application prospects", VESTNIK RAN, 2008, volume 78, no. 5, p. 438-457:
    We recall that such artificial media are called photonic crystals in which, due to periodic changes in the dielectric parameters
    (meaning the refractive index) the properties of propagating electromagnetic waves (light) become similar to the properties
    electrons propagating in real crystals. Accordingly, the term "photonic crystal" emphasizes the similarity of photons and
    electrons. Quantization of the properties of photons leads to the fact that in the spectrum of an electromagnetic wave propagating in a photonic crystal,
    forbidden gaps arise, in which the density of states of photons is zero.


    Due to the presence of a forbidden zone, but not for conduction electrons, but for E / M waves, photonic crystals are able to detect and generate EM waves, effectively converting "short-wave" EM waves (visible, IR) to "long-wave" (microwave) and vice versa.

    All this shows that ROFAR is not a "technology from a crashed flying saucer", not a "miracle weapon" and not a panacea, but a natural result of many years of fundamental and applied research and engineering developments.