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A well-known political scientist called the results of the possible removal of Lukashenka by the opposition from power

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The well-known Russian political scientist Sergei Markov commented on the situation that is developing today in neighboring Belarus. We remind that protests continued in Belarus after the results of the presidential elections were summed up. The CEC of Belarus named Alyaksandr Lukashenka the winner with more than 80 percent of the vote and a turnout of about 84%. The protesters went to protest actions in different cities of the republic. The most aggressive thugs go into direct confrontation with law enforcement agencies, armed with stones, sticks, trying to erect barricades and arrange provocations.


Sergei Markov ponders what will happen in Belarus if the opposition succeeds in “toppling” Lukashenka. Markov notes that there is no doubt that "Russia is blamed for everything bad."

The Russian political scientist cites several likely outcomes if Alexander Lukashenko is removed from power. Here are some of them:

the government of Belarus will be flooded with foreigners according to the Ukrainian scenario, Belarus will leave the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union, relations with Russia will worsen, the entry of Russian citizens into the country will be at least limited, restrictions will begin in relation to the Russian language, the polonization (transfer to Polish jurisdiction) of large Belarusian enterprises, de-industrialization of the economy will begin, then - the Ukrainian scenario with the postponement or abandonment of traditional holidays - for example, May 9.

Against this background, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland mentioned by Markov announced the development of a "plan for Belarus to get out of the crisis." According to Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevičius, it is necessary to discuss the possibility of a "strong European response", as the elections "were not free and democratic." Linkevicius announced that Belarus needs “new elections”. Earlier, Lithuania and Poland announced their readiness to become “mediators in the negotiations between Lukashenka and the opposition”.

In fact, this is an attempt to repeat the scenario of Ukraine in 2014. Then Poland, Germany and France declared themselves mediators in Yanukovych's negotiations with the opposition. And when the "opposition" took over weaponWhen provocateurs and ultra-right nationalists appeared in the center of Kiev, these “intermediaries” simply turned off their phones for Yanukovych.
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  1. Fungus
    Fungus 13 August 2020 06: 17 New
    28
    Western hypocrites. The rallies themselves are violently dispersed. Get away from Belarus goblins. The American six have come up with a plan for overcoming the crisis for Belarus. It's funny.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 August 2020 06: 31 New
      +8
      The rallies themselves are violently dispersed.
      That's three years ago, find the difference.

      There is no difference, but the Uropeans can, but Lukashenka doesn’t
      1. Karaul73
        Karaul73 13 August 2020 07: 17 New
        -29
        They disperse and disperse the crowd, but do not beat with particular cruelty and sadism. There you can sue the police for it. Lukashenka, however, gave an indulgence for the sadism of the security forces. Oh, he will reap the storm! And he will return like a beaten dog back to Russia.
        1. Romka
          Romka 14 August 2020 01: 18 New
          0
          But this is already happening
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 August 2020 12: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Sentry73
          They scatter and disperse the crowd, but not beaten with extreme cruelty and sadism. There you can sue the police for it.

          Tell this in Ulster and Northern Ireland, yeah ...

          And yet - the British police had truncheons until the 2000s (and maybe now) were oak ...
          Do you feel the difference between a blow with a rubber and an oak truncheon? You can't break a rubber arm or a leg, but an oak one is elementary ...

          Well, what the video is about that HOW threesome beating yellow vests together in France - the Internet is full

          It's just ridiculous to remember the cradle of US democracy - they don't beat, they kill even now ....... What nafig cruelty and sadism - They killed and drove on ...
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 August 2020 12: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Sentry73
          but they are not beaten with extreme cruelty and sadism.

          If you are now talking about the United States of America, then everything is much worse in this regard.
        4. major147
          major147 14 August 2020 14: 22 New
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          Quote: Sentry73
          They disperse and disperse the crowd, but do not beat with particular cruelty and sadism.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=41&v=OsV5YYwBMC8&feature=emb_logo
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        6. vavilon
          vavilon 14 August 2020 21: 04 New
          +1
          What are you talking about, dear interlocutor!?)
          in the west, there is a law if the protesters approach less than 50 m to the administrative buildings, law enforcement agencies are allowed to open fire to kill without warning, not to mention any seizures. rubber bullets and how many crippled there are, see the statistics, although they are several times underestimated
          And here you are telling tales of the humane police of the west
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 13 August 2020 06: 45 New
      -23
      Everything depends on the Belarusian elites. If they decide to leave Lukashenka, he will have to go to his dacha.
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    3. Civil
      Civil 13 August 2020 07: 06 New
      -9
      The masks have been dropped, Moscow is for Lukashenko. Time will tell whether it is right or not. And the dull ones - Channel One.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 August 2020 07: 14 New
        28
        The civilian - the Kremlin is not for Lukashenko, but the Kremlin is against the Maidan a la uk-Roin! negative
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 August 2020 07: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: Thrifty
          The civilian - the Kremlin is not for Lukashenko, but the Kremlin is against the Maidan a la uk-Roin! negative

          Who is to blame that now all revolutions are strictly in the direction of the West?
          And I still remember those times when the word "revolution" was always combined with "socialist", that is, anti-Western with an orientation towards Moscow.
          1. dauria
            dauria 13 August 2020 09: 29 New
            +5
            Who is to blame that now all revolutions are strictly in the direction of the West?


            First of all, the local bourgeoisie. Yes Yes. First in the Russian Federation, then in the national regions. We have forgotten that not only the hard workers are disunited, but the ruling class has not really united. The West has come a long way, developed the mechanisms of the "united flock". These mechanisms prevent them from gnawing at each other insolently. Moreover, to betray common interests, alone sniffing with foreigners to the detriment of the flock. Torn apart by the whole flock. Russia came to this in the 90s, in China by the power of a leader. Ukraine was not lucky, there all sorts of Timchenkos, Yulia, Akhmetovs with Kolomoisky and Yanukovych with Gunpowder imprisoned and robbed each other.
            These are not "revolutions". This is what is called "Pans are fighting, but the forelocks of the slaves are cracking." The stage of feudal fragmentation. Only the princelings, not by territory, but by industry. Gasoline, oil, pharmacy, aluminum, candy and other kings. Well, such "wars" play into the hands of foreigners, so they climb and warm up.
            Our oligarchs will learn to stand up for themselves and a flock, they will even learn to make "elections" without harming themselves.
            Maybe enough brains and not to miss Belarus.
            1. Icarus
              Icarus 13 August 2020 21: 46 New
              +1
              Maybe enough brains and not to miss Belarus.
              Not enough brains. Because it is necessary to speak for the resignation of filth-Lukashenko and for new fair elections in Belarus, in which to support the pro-Russian oppositionist (not to be confused with the pro-Russian oppositionist - consider it oligarchic). And they - the oligarchs need it?
              1. dauria
                dauria 13 August 2020 22: 26 New
                +5
                Because we must speak for the resignation of filth-Lukashenka and for new fair elections in Belarus,

                Well, instead of you for the resignation and new elections, all NATO with both hands laughing Here it is necessary to be smarter - Lukashenka should be put in such a position so that he had nowhere to go but to remember the CSTO and the union state. And only then "choose". Without the guys from the west. Painfully stereotyped they prepare the Maidans. Gopniks, young ladies with flowers for riot police, "bloody" fakes, and grieving ambassadors and supporters for a snack. Directly a reader.
                1. Icarus
                  Icarus 13 August 2020 22: 33 New
                  +3
                  Lukashenka is an enemy. He must be put in a pose and ultimatums to him, while there is such a window of opportunity. But you shouldn't count on him. We must bet on the people. And to work with the people while there is such time, especially with the youth. The main goal is anti-NATO. And then let them build socialism. You look and it will be useful to us.
        2. ReferralWOT
          ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 07: 27 New
          -21
          without the Ukrainian Maidan there would be no return of Crimea, so about who benefits from the Belarusian Maidan can be discussed and, in general, about whether it is possible, under Maidan sauce, to organize the return of Belarusians to their native harbor
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 07: 37 New
            14
            Quote: ReferralWOT
            without the Ukrainian Maidan, there would be no return of Crimea, so you can discuss who benefits from the Belarusian Maidan

            The West, of course. Instead of the Customs Union, which would rally even more economically Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, creating the preconditions for further rapprochement, we got openly hostile territory near our borders
            1. ReferralWOT
              ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 08: 03 New
              -10
              the customs union and other integration bonuses are all secondary secondary phenomena, and the main geopolitical goal of the Russian leadership was and will be the return of the maximum territories of the former USSR to the state with the capital in the city of Moscow _ project of the USSR 2.0
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 08: 35 New
                12
                Quote: ReferralWOT
                the customs union and other integration goodies are all side secondary phenomena

                Politics is a superstructure of the economy, we should have known. So it was the CU that was the path to reunification, because if Ukraine then went on to further rapprochement in economic terms, then in the future any pro-Western policy would finally lose its economic basis. And with this we were strongly broken off, that there is a big loss of the Russian Federation in foreign policy.
                But the return of the Crimea to your invented
                Quote: ReferralWOT
                project ussr 2.0

                does not serve at all. Of course, it is very good that in those conditions we did it, but here the protection of our interests has already begun in a pure form, and today we cannot speak of any rapprochement with Ukraine.
                1. ReferralWOT
                  ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 09: 05 New
                  -9
                  firstly, politics is not a superstructure, but the framework of everything and everything, and the economy, including, is even economic policy, and therefore it is inside and at the root of all spheres of human activity and the state, including the second, economic rapprochement is in our case just the restoration of the system of feeding satellites as under the Soviet Union, following the example of the sev, which step by step shows its inefficiency
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 09: 11 New
                    +7
                    Quote: ReferralWOT
                    firstly, politics is not a superstructure, but a framework of everything and everyone, including the economy

                    Have you tried to study? Politics is a superstructure over the economic base, a concentrated expression of the economy. Economic policy is just a definition of the role and specific levers of government influence on the economy
                    Quote: ReferralWOT
                    secondly, economic rapprochement in our case is simply the restoration of the system of feeding satellites as in the Soviet Union, following the example of the sev, which, step by step, shows its inefficiency

                    That is, in your interesting world it is possible to build the USSR 2.0 without economic integration? Unscientific fiction
                    1. ReferralWOT
                      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 09: 23 New
                      -7
                      I have not tried honestly_in continuation of the thesis once the policy is the framework and the framework which is the wrong policy of feeding and not mutually beneficial economic cooperation cannot be a reliable basis for integration and unification
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 09: 32 New
                        +4
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        Who do you study with?

                        You can do it with me, I still have a higher economic degree :)))) But if you don’t want to, just take political science textbooks. If it's too difficult - here's the site of Kazan University http://old.kpfu.ru/nilkto/polit/prog1_2.html
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        haven't tried honestly

                        Well, at least honestly admit it
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        in continuation of the thesis

                        Maybe, nevertheless, learn first, before uttering the theses?
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        once the policy is a framework and a framework which is the wrong policy of feeding and not mutually beneficial economic cooperation cannot be a reliable basis for integration and unification

                        First, as we just figured out, politics is not a framework. Secondly, the TS was not a "feeding", but was an integration, and yes - in some ways disadvantageous for the Russian Federation, because a number of Ukrainian products could well press our own production in our market. But these were precisely the integration processes that were supposed to eventually link the economies of the Russian Federation and Ukraine at the level of production and markets.
                      2. ReferralWOT
                        ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 09: 50 New
                        -9
                        Thank you, but I have to reject your proposal for teaching services. First of all, let’s not give me intrusive advice, citizen of the highest economic scientist, and if you figured out something there, I’m certainly glad for you. And secondly, that’s just the point that you had to higher economic science, as you say, but we observe what is called the score on the scoreboard, which is not changing at all in our favor, and therefore I am telling you once again about the framework which is the correct policy in relation to neighboring states and allies, and the economy will be superimposed on this frame
                      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 09: 58 New
                        +5
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        first, let’s not give me obsessive advice

                        So do not write nonsense - I will not give advice :)
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        and secondly, the fact of the matter is that they should have been, and it seems like everything is in higher economic science, as you say, but we observe what is called the score on the scoreboard, which does not change at all in our favor

                        You see "on the scoreboard" the consequences of not applying, but violating economic laws, which, in fact, our government has been doing for a long time.
                      4. ReferralWOT
                        ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 10: 07 New
                        -7
                        Do you know me, too, the nonsense you give out here for higher economic knowledge does not cause enthusiasm, but I tried not to slip into rudeness and the dispute over the form is your great empty, but my highest economic, but in general we have already passed this in the form - if communism is not built then in this not science is to blame, but bad performers, but scientific communism, what is the highest scientific
                      5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 10: 31 New
                        +3
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        Do you know me, too, the nonsense you give out here for higher economic knowledge

                        Misha, there is such a thing - a textbook, it's called. And it says there
                        Politics is a superstructure over the economic base, a concentrated expression of the economy.

                        Do you consider yourself smarter than many authors (because there are many such textbooks)? Oh well.
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        dispute in form is yours is a great empty and my highest economic

                        Misha, I gave you the correct definition and gave you a reference. I didn’t see any argumentation from you, so don’t talk about "great"
                        Quote: ReferralWOT
                        but in general we have already gone through this in the form - if communism is not being built, then it is not science that is to blame for this, but bad performers

                        Where did you go through this? :)))) Over a glass of tea in the kitchen? Why do I ask: because WE, for example, went through it quite the opposite - that the violations of economic laws committed during the formation of the planned economy of the USSR just led to the failure of the economic model of the USSR as a whole.
                        And I can even tell in detail exactly when these very violations occurred (the Kosyginskaya reform of 1965 was half-hearted, and by 1970 it was completely curtailed).
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 13 August 2020 10: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Misha

                        Politics is a concentrated expression of economics. " - Karl von Clausewitz Prussian officer and military writer
                        Clausewitz may have been a good officer, but clearly not an economist, just as he was)
                      7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 11: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: Liam
                        Clausewitz may have been a good officer, but clearly not an economist, just as he was)

                        U-ty-posenki :)))))
                      8. Liam
                        Liam 13 August 2020 11: 55 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        pussies

                        This is from which textbook on economics. Which course?)
                        For an economist, you are surprisingly poorly grounded both theoretically and practically. By the way. The second source of this stupid quote which all Internet "economists" of the Russian Internet use is the unforgettable economist VI Lenin.
                        Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy. "
                        (Complete collection of works, 5th ed., Vol. 42, p. 278)
                        .
                        It is not surprising that you have such fundamental economic knowledge .. with such sources.
                        By the way, enlighten ... how the policy of the USSR is admissible in the Stalinist period, was a concentrated expression of its economy.
                        At least thesis and with some rudiments of logic)
                      9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 12: 18 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        This is from which textbook on economics. Which course?)

                        Political economy, of course, + political science textbooks. I personally outlined this in the 1st year
                        Quote: Liam
                        For an economist, you are surprisingly poorly grounded both theoretically and practically. By the way. The second source of this stupid quotation which all the Internet "economists" of the Russian Internet use is

                        Liam, I know that this definition was given by Clausewitz. And that Lenin repeated it. But what you do not know about is that this definition was considered correct by our economic and political school and was replicated in many textbooks.
                        Quote: Liam
                        By the way, enlighten ... how the policy of the USSR is admissible in the Stalinist period, was a concentrated expression of its economy.

                        Let's better clarify in what period and in what policy of the USSR (external, internal), in your opinion, was not based on the country's economy?
                      10. Liam
                        Liam 13 August 2020 12: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        Political economy course + political science textbooks

                        Even Lenin does not have a term
                        U-ty-posenki :)))))

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        was considered by our economic and political school to be correct and was replicated in many textbooks.

                        What is yours? Given the brilliant results and the glorious end of that economy, I would be careful not to repeat as a dogma this set of words born by the pen of a Prussian officer and repeated by a Russian revolutionary with the education of a dropout lawyer. You are a modern economist of the 21st century, a crisis manager, etc., etc. it is strange for an economist to rely on such dubious sources, and not on the works of A. Smith, Keynes, etc.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Let's

                        I am happy to answer your questions. But since you called the user an ignoramus, trumping this quote, I would like to understand how you decipher this set of words in translation into human language. Therefore, a couple of clarifying questions, the answers to which should not make it difficult for an outstanding economist.
                        1.What is primary, economics or politics.
                        2. What kind of policy is this very concentrate of the economy - external, internal, or both.
                      11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 13: 04 New
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                        Quote: Liam
                        What is yours?

                        Yes. Although, as far as I know, modern political science textbooks hold the same opinion
                        Quote: Liam
                        It is rather strange for an economist to rely on such dubious sources, and not on the works of A. Smith, Keynes, etc.

                        Smith is considerably outdated, and I quite agree with many Keynesian propositions. Moreover, I believe that a market economy in general can be successful only in the Keynesian model.
                        Another question is that capitalism, as such, is already close to exhaustion (I am on a historical scale - so it is quite capable of lasting 100 years and even more), and with it the Keynesian model of the economy
                        Quote: Liam
                        .What is primary-economics or politics.

                        Economy
                        Quote: Liam
                        What kind of policy is this very concentrate of the economy - external, internal, or both.

                        Both internal and external. In the event that domestic or foreign policy goes beyond the basis of the opportunities provided by the economy, they are usually doomed to failure.
                      12. Liam
                        Liam 13 August 2020 13: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Smith is significantly outdated

                        The Pythagorean theorem is 2000+ years old and it remains correct and relevant to this day. So the essence is not in "age".
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Keynesian

                        I probably missed Keynes' passage about politics - the concentrate of economics.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        close to exhaustion

                        Countless of the gravediggers of capitalism who have long died in the Bose, along with their theories and alternative models, while capitalism continues to pant and cough as if nothing had happened.

                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Economy

                        Very good
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Both internal and external

                        What economic needs prompted the USSR to take these political actions and what economic benefits it got from this.
                        1.Soviet-Finnish war 1939/40
                        2.Invasion of Afghanistan.
                        3. (closer to our times and economies) Annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014.
                        How these political actions affected the economy
                      13. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 15: 00 New
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                        Quote: Liam
                        I probably missed Keynes' passage about politics - the concentrate of economics.

                        If Keynes does not have something, it does not mean that it does not exist. Keynes, for example, does not have the Pythagorean theorem :))))
                        Quote: Liam
                        Countless of the gravediggers of capitalism who have long died in the Bose, along with their theories and alternative models, while capitalism continues to pant and cough as if nothing had happened.

                        Believe it or not, the same thing was said at one time about feudalism and about the dogmas of religion. Alas, nothing lasts forever under the moon. I am quite ready to agree that capitalism will puff out for another 100 years, and maybe 200, but the point is that it already ceases to serve the good of society today, and this process did not begin yesterday.
                        Quote: Liam
                        What economic needs prompted the USSR to take these political actions and what economic benefits it got from this.

                        That's why I asked you. I knew that you would mix everything up again.
                        Politics is a superstructure of the economy in the sense that it should be based on the economic capabilities of the state, and will not survive in isolation from them, and not in the fact that any policy action is aimed at strengthening the economy :))))
                        Quote: Liam
                        Invasion of Afghanistan.

                        The USSR went to Afghanistan to intervene in the civil war, get a pro-Soviet regime, and prevent the Americans from imprisoning their own, which we then quite expected. In other words, it was a geopolitical issue. And the economy here is only the place that the USSR had the strength and means to intervene
                        Quote: Liam
                        Soviet-Finnish war 1939/40

                        Defense of the largest industrial center - Leningrad in case of a big war. Again, economically, the USSR was stronger than Finland, which predetermined the possibility of maintaining more powerful Armed Forces, which gave the USSR leadership confidence in a quick victory (but the latter was no longer justified).
                        Quote: Liam
                        (closer to our times and economies) Annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014.

                        The most important geopolitical interest is that under the new government we would have to leave Crimea and, in fact, lose the Black Sea. A gigantic investment was required in the fleet base in Novorossiysk and still it would not be good enough. Losses from leaving the real estate of the Armed Forces in Crimea are colossal. And the population of Crimea, of course, who did not want to remain Ukrainian - from an economic point of view, this is a very rich resource.
                        Quote: Liam
                        How these political actions affected the economy

                        The Finnish conflict and Afghanistan - no way, the costs associated with them the USSR were more than capable of. But in the case of Crimea, the very opportunity to defend our geopolitical interests was based on a good economic basis - the understanding that even under the conditions of sanctions, our economy would not die. What actually happened
                      14. Liam
                        Liam 13 August 2020 15: 13 New
                        +3
                        ))) The further into the forest the thicker the partisans.

                        Free advice (albeit useless in your case) -at least study the topic minimally before arguing with opponents with a level of knowledge at least slightly higher than half-bots / half-persians a la Tatiana, generating streams of random phrases.
                        His famous thesis V.I. Lenin formulated and substantiated by discussing trade unions and the current situation with Nikolai Bukharin and Leon Trotsky. He argued that "politics cannot but take precedence over economics." And the attempts of opponents to reconcile politics and economics, assuming that “the political approach is equivalent to the“ economic ”, that one can take“ this and that ””, he called not a dialectical approach, but eclecticism (Polnoe sobr. Soch., 5th ed., Vol. 42 , p. 278).
                      15. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 16: 01 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Liam
                        His famous thesis V.I. Lenin formulated and substantiated

                        It does not matter. It is important that in the future this postulate of his was recognized as true and entered the textbooks of economics. Deal with it :)))
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 14 August 2020 12: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      The USSR went to Afghanistan to intervene in the civil war, get a pro-Soviet regime, and prevent the Americans from imprisoning their own, which we then quite expected. In other words, it was a geopolitical issue. And the economy here is only the place that the USSR had the strength and means to intervene

                      + The need to cover our borders. And (perhaps the main one!) - the need to cover our cotton fields. It was at this moment that the need arose for the massive use of solid-propellant rockets. And this is cotton and you need a lot of it. The whole Central Asia worked for this ...
    4. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 10: 49 New
      -1
      Do you know how many textbooks were printed in the world and then the official completely scientific authorities recognized what is called nonsense and was thrown into the trash of history? a lot in our country, including_why should I believe this of yours which you advertise so persistently? participated in the creation? percent of sales ? well, you gave out a definition from one of them, but in general there are many definitions of politics and views on its role in the life of mankind and in general on the essence of politics as such, I'll give you a link to a definition of politics similar to the one I voiced here and that I will convince you? for sure you will say arguments in the style of my dynamo is stronger than your Spartak and my reference is more exiled and my textbook is more textbook_therefore I do not aim to convince you and anyone else because I know this is not a practical goal, but I just express my point of view on the world order
    5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 11: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      Well, you gave out a definition from one of them, but in general there are many definitions of politics and views on its role in the life of humanity and in general on the essence of politics as such

      No question, Misha. Please quote the textbook containing your definition of policy - and we will finally have a discussion :))))
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      no, you will certainly speak arguments in the style of my dynamo is stronger than your spartak

      Misha, you shouldn't speak for me, I will speak for myself, believe me. The dispute began with whether the vehicle is primary or secondary for the rapprochement of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, if you remember. You considered the TS as secondary, because in your opinion, politics is more primary than economics :))) I gave you the opposite point of view and confirmed it with a textbook, respectively, I'm right. If you can argue with a reason, with a link, then we can assume that you parried this argument and continue to discuss further.
    6. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 12: 14 New
      -3
      The policy of the organization is a set of all regulatory requirements for the activities of the organization and the ways of their implementation. The policy includes the rules set by the organization to support the efforts of its members to achieve planned goals. The policy creates a framework for making decisions in routine situations, determines how tasks should be performed.

      In other words, a policy provides general guidance for action and decision-making that facilitates the achievement of goals. Policy belongs to the category of means of achieving goals and is one of the management tools. Management is an academic discipline, social science, the subject of which is the study of social organization. Management has always existed where people worked, and, as a rule, in three spheres of human society, according to data of N. B. Kirillova [2]:

      political - the need to establish and maintain order in groups;
      economic - the need to find, produce and allocate resources;
      defensive - protection from enemies and wild animals. PS found something similar to my views, although I always believed and still believe that a truly thinking person should generate ideas himself and not wave someone else's thoughts in the form of textbooks
    7. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 12: 46 New
      0
      The variety of approaches to defining the essence of politics and its content is explained by the fact that the sphere of politics is an extremely complex multidimensional formation. The lack of a unified approach to understanding the phenomenon of politics is historically due to the multivariance of ideas about its nature, each of which gives its own image of the political, as well as objective features of the political sphere itself - a wide differentiation of types of political activity, political systems, methods of government, forms of government, political institutions , traditions of political thought, variety of political terminology, and so on. Therefore, the modern understanding of politics is formed as a result of the development of many approaches. PS must think and not be like crammers, throwing obscene phrases and definitions and not waving other people's textbooks and diplomas issued for obedient memorization of other people's thoughts and ideas in discussions.
    8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 13: 10 New
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      Quote: ReferralWOT
      Organization policy

      The keyword is "organizations". You changed the concept, Misha, and this is not good. Or do you seriously do not understand the difference between the state and the enterprise?
      The main goal of an enterprise in a market economy is to maximize profits in the long run. It is for this that the policy of each specific organization is formed. But the role of the state is to be a regulator of economic and social processes within its society, to ensure security from internal and external threats to its members.
      That is, in defense of the warm, you quoted a soft
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      need to think

      Yes, Misha, you must. So far, you're doing poorly. Try again without jerking, okay?
    9. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 13: 15 New
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      and the state is not an organization? you still cannot think with your own mind only to quote someone else's_ so do not be rude, I can do it just as well
    10. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 13: 18 New
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      and such super corporations as Apple Boeing cannot be compared with the state? in their activities there are all aspects as in the state - political economic power cultural
    11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 13: 43 New
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      Quote: ReferralWOT
      and the state is not an organization?

      Not. In the sense that you put into it
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      and such super corporations as Apple Boeing cannot be compared with the state?

      Not. For the reasons I have stated above.
      Misha, the state, of course, can be called an organization. But this organization will have completely different goals than any commercial organization. In general, there is a huge number of organizations in life. An educational institution, a sports section, a philatelists' club - all these are organizations. But their goals are completely different, and the definition of the policy of one of them does not fit the other.
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      in their activity there are all aspects as in the state - political economic power cultural

      I'll tell you more - an ordinary family also has a political aspect (in relation to the mother-in laughing ) and economic (family budget) and power (husband-protector) and cultural. But that doesn't make the family the equivalent of a corporation and a state.
      The main task of the state is the redistribution of benefits in society. It collects money in the form of taxes in order to spend it on certain benefits of society (for example - police, maintenance of courts, free education / medicine, etc.). And any corporation was created not for redistribution, but for making money.
    12. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 13: 57 New
      +1
      no, because see above it says no_good argument_you will not believe the first states in the world were not much more difficult than a large philatelists' club of course, only these were clubs of lovers of growing wheat using the spills of the tiger and euphrates_ as for the goals, then you forgot that there are charitable organizations and the like and among them the goals do not include commerce, and at the same time there were and are states whose tasks did not include the distribution of benefits, but the main task was, for example, robbery and conquest or enrichment of the top, that is, practically commercial
    13. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 14: 38 New
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      Quote: ReferralWOT
      Believe it or not, the world's first states were not much more difficult than the philatelists' club

      Misha, you are twisting again :))) We are talking about today's states. And talking about the ancients is a little pointless - mainly because THEN it was the economic power of the state in general that directly determined its foreign policy - the size and equipment of the army that this state could supply directly depended on it.
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      you forgot that there are charitable organizations and the like and their purpose does not include commerce

      I haven't forgotten. And I told you already above that non-profit organizations are also completely unequal to the state - in terms of goals and objectives.
    14. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 15: 19 New
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      the state from the organization claiming for this title is distinguished not by the essence of the content, but by the intention, a successful coincidence of circumstances and the moment of recognition of an authoritative source of judgment, and if, for example, the head of a conditional family, Vasya, can convince the majority or a significant part of the national governments of the planet to recognize his family as a sovereign state, then this family is in home ownership in the state will turn into “Neither in science nor in international law there is a single and generally accepted definition of the concept of“ state ”[1]. "Country" is a term close, but not identical to the state, usually understood more broadly than "state". For 2020, there is no single legal definition of the term "state", fully recognized by science and all countries of the world. The largest international organization, the United Nations Organization, does not have the authority to determine whether a particular entity is a state or not, it is a matter of international legal recognition by other states and governments [1]. One of the few documents defining a "state" in international law is the Montevideo Convention, signed in 1933 by only a few American states.
      The 1933 Montevideo Convention enshrines four features of the state as a subject of international law:

      permanent population;
      a certain territory;
      own government;
      the ability to enter into relations with other states.
      Recognition by other states is not required, that is, the convention consolidates the declarative theory of statehood [1]. >> this is certainly a hyperbole as an argument, but for illustration it is quite suitable
    15. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 16: 03 New
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      Quote: ReferralWOT
      the state from the organization claiming for this title, for example, is distinguished not by the essence of the content, but by the intention, a successful combination of circumstances and the moment of recognition of an authoritative source of judgment

      That's exactly what pretending to be a STATE. Commercial and non-commercial organizations for which the definition you have taken does not pretend to be. Tasks are different :)))))
    16. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 16: 17 New
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      Claims like all sorts of Taliban and other similar_ as the organization of the marmont and witnesses, according to some information, are not averse to trying on some territory, as well as read, for example, about the self-proclaimed state on a drilling platform in the sea off the coast of Great Britain Sealand _ yes, this is all rhetoric and the point was what is primarily politics or economics? in particular, in the case of the customs union, and here everything is clear - without political will (politics) there will be no economic integration of the customs union (economy)
    17. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 16: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      claim even like any Taliban and others like

      Which are not related to a commercial or non-commercial organization :))))
      Quote: ReferralWOT
      in particular, in the case of the customs union, and here everything is clear - without political will (politics) there will be no economic integration of the customs union (economy)

      And you try to look at things better :))))
      Why did the question arise about some kind of integration of Ukraine? For one reason - its economy was not self-sufficient to exist outside of any economic union. The only question was whether to integrate with the West or with us.
      That is, the issue of integration itself became possible only thanks to the state of the Ukrainian economy. If they had become "Yakurantia" as they intended, there would be no reason for any integration.
      Further. The Ukrainian leadership quite talentedly tried to sit on 2 chairs - ours and yours. That is, they, like a fastidious bride, showed signs of attention to one "groom" (RF) to another (EU), receiving the usual buns from both. However, the "bouquet-and-candy" period comes to an end, and it is necessary to answer ... Well, Yanukovych chose the TS. The second did not like it, and he overthrew Yanukovych to the fanfare of integration with the West.
      The very success of this overthrow was caused precisely by the lack of self-sufficiency of the Ukrainian economy, forced to choose "either-or" and the shaky positions of Yanukovych, forced to maneuver between the West and the Russian Federation for a long time - and thus dividing the Ukrainians into supporters of integration with the Russian Federation or the EU. The same Westerners, if it were possible to build a "yakurantia", would be completely satisfied with the current status and would not climb the barricades. They were essentially brought there by Yanukovych's planned integration with the Russian Federation, and the need for this integration is the Ukrainian economy.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 13 August 2020 09: 54 New
    +2
    If....
    Only the West works with the elites in the republics.
    In Belarus, the pro-Western opposition goes to rallies. Where is the pro-Russian opposition? Does it exist at all?
    With this approach, nothing can be restored.
  • mikhailovich22
    mikhailovich22 13 August 2020 09: 16 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    we got openly hostile territory on our borders

    There are no anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus, but there are no anti-Western sentiments either, 95% speak Russian. We have a protest against the one who replaced the state.
    In Ukraine, in the western regions, anti-Russian sentiments existed long before the Maidan, they were simply successfully used to overthrow Yanukovych.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 09: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: mikhailovich22
      There are no anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus, but there are no anti-Western ones either

      I'm talking about Ukraine :))))
      Quote: mikhailovich22
      We have a protest against the one who replaced the state.

      This is just understandable ...
    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 13 August 2020 09: 34 New
      +2
      Alas, it is impossible to sit on two chairs. If the West was not a civilization hostile to Russia, then it’s okay. But the absence of anti-Western sentiments always means the arrival of anti-Russian ones, sooner or later. Because the West is so arranged, it is programmed that way. Capture and colonize. In many ways, not just military.
    3. Campanella
      Campanella 13 August 2020 15: 46 New
      +1
      "There are no anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus"
      No anti-Russian sentiments? If Lukashenka is toppled, they will appear immediately! Russia will be served to you in such a way that I would hate it too and myself at the same time.
      1. mikhailovich22
        mikhailovich22 13 August 2020 19: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Pavel73
        If the West was not a civilization hostile to Russia, then it’s okay.

        Russia itself is, for the most part, a European civilization
        .
        Quote: Pavel73
        But the absence of anti-Western sentiments always means the arrival of anti-Russian ones, sooner or later.

        This is how we live, Pavel, there are no anti-Western sentiments and anti-Russian ones do not come.
        Quote: Pavel73
        Because the West is so arranged, it is programmed that way. Capture and colonize.

        We are the West, but the one that is closer to the center.
        Quote: Campanella
        Are there no anti-Russian sentiments? If Lukashenka is toppled, they will appear immediately!

        You probably haven't listened to Lukashenka’s speeches since last year, he is now the main anti-Russian, but the elections did not go well, so you probably will have to change your shoes.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 13 August 2020 07: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    The civilian - the Kremlin is not for Lukashenko, but the Kremlin is against the Maidan a la uk-Roin! negative

    The Kremlin, as in the case of Armenia, will have to choose the lesser of evils, which means subsidies will again go
  • DenZ
    DenZ 13 August 2020 19: 45 New
    +1
    Moscow needs to offer something effective besides the usual statement of the fact that "we are against the Maidan in Belarus" but so far silence. Ours offer nothing but the concern of the Foreign Ministry
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 13 August 2020 22: 34 New
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    After Lukashenka actually seized Russian hostages, incl. they will definitely not help and support him for use in domestic political games - this is evidenced by Peskov's statement that Putin does not plan to meet with him in the near future. The formal warming of relations is followed by a cold snap.
    On the one hand, Lukashenko can be understood: he believes that Moscow owes him for the declared alliance, and Moscow discards the possibility of blackmail on the part of Lukashenka in the form of developing BAZ and KAMAZ Platform-O tractors to replace the MZKT after refusing to sign a more regulated contract with the latter. , receiving a package of its shares and joining the management, so its sale by Minsk; refusal of free delivery of fighters to Minsk after its refusal to deploy a full-fledged military base on their territory; construction of replacement for Baranovichi and Vileika; revision of gas and oil agreements after the refusal by Minsk of the formally approved deepening of integration within the framework of the SG and standardization within the EAEU. On the other hand, we are acting within the legal framework, but he is not. Anyway, blackmailing is not comme il faut, a great power even more so.
    At the same time, I believe that conditions for the Ukrainian scenario did not exist in Belarus, even if Lukashenka is removed by the opposition. More precisely: by the people who supported the opposition. Most likely, in this whole situation, not the opposition will take advantage of the people, but the people of the opposition: foreign NGOs, the opposition and other agents of influence are suppressed by the Lukashenka regime, are not organized, do not have a militant wing and are unable to do anything without popular support. On the other hand, the people, seeing the example of Ukraine, are unlikely to allow the opposition to seize power and re-subordinate the power structures, but, most likely, they will wait together with these very structures (if they cease to obey Lukashenka or an internal conflict arises between his supporters and opponents) of Moscow's interference as an arbiter whom the majority trusts.
  • Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 14 August 2020 20: 28 New
    -1
    Che for the Maidan? What a non-Russian word. Tell me in Russian. And there it is. The people caught the former president on imposture. There is no 80 percent for him. And since the impostor - so down with. The Russian government, unfortunately, does not go for a walk without a rake. What to step on in a hurry? The crook is good. Our rogue ...
  • figwam
    figwam 13 August 2020 07: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    The masks have been dropped, Moscow is for Lukashenko. Time will tell whether it is right or not. And the dull ones - Channel One.

    Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen.
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 August 2020 07: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: figvam
      Quote: Civil
      The masks have been dropped, Moscow is for Lukashenko. Time will tell whether it is right or not. And the dull ones - Channel One.

      Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen.

      Stalin to help you "Both are bad", so you need to be able to change the rules of the game ...
      1. figwam
        figwam 13 August 2020 08: 06 New
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        Quote: Civil
        then you need to be able to change the rules of the game ...

        We, unlike the West, do not interfere in the internal affairs of states.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 09: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          We, unlike the West, do not interfere in the internal affairs of states.

          Eeeee ... Actually, they even interfered in the internal affairs of Ukraine, both in Crimea and Donbass
          1. New
            New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            In fact, they even interfered in the internal affairs of Ukraine, both in Crimea and Donbass

            This is now not accepted to admit. You gotta be white and fluffy
          2. figwam
            figwam 13 August 2020 13: 35 New
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            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Eeeee ...

            And it's okay that the United States made an armed coup on the outskirts, and we already acted afterwards in response, as well as the reaction to the Georgian attack on our peacekeepers !?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 14: 28 New
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              Quote: figvam
              And it's okay that the United States carried out an armed coup on the outskirts, and we already acted afterwards in response

              You are now translating the conversation into the plane of "good / bad" and "dishonest / fair". But, regardless of the reasons why we did it, we intervened in the internal affairs of Ukraine anyway, so there is no need to deny it
              1. figwam
                figwam 13 August 2020 15: 46 New
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                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                we intervened in the internal affairs of Ukraine anyway, so there is no need to deny it

                Western countries intervened there and overthrew the legitimate president, and we only saved the Russian people from the Nazis when there was no longer any power on the outskirts.
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 15: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: figvam
                  Ud the Western countries intervened that overthrew the legitimate president, and we only saved the Russian people from the Nazis

                  This is what is called - interference in internal affairs. We sent troops into the sovereign territory of Ukraine and ensured a fair vote.
                  Quote: figvam
                  when there was no longer any power on the outskirts

                  The fact of the matter is that there was. A coup d'etat took place in Ukraine, but it has not lost its statehood
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 13 August 2020 16: 01 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    We sent troops into the sovereign territory of Ukraine and ensured a fair vote.

                    We did not introduce anything anywhere, our troops have been there since the time of Catherine, and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea has united with Russia through a democratic vote.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    The fact of the matter is that there was. A coup d'etat took place in Ukraine, but it has not lost its statehood

                    No, it was an external armed overthrow of the legitimate government, but statehood is not there even now.
                  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 16: 08 New
                    -1
                    Quote: figvam
                    We did not enter anything anywhere, our troops have been there since the time of Catherine

                    I can only advise you to study recent history. Exactly what they did, because they brought them out of the agreement with Ukraine into its territory.
                    Quote: figvam
                    No, it was an external armed overthrow of the legitimate government, but statehood is not there even now.

                    It was external to the extent that it was. Because it was inspired by external forces, but the Svidomo Ukrainians overthrew it. And, excuse me, if you don't like someone's government. this does not mean that he is not
                  3. figwam
                    figwam 13 August 2020 16: 22 New
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                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Exactly what they did, because they brought them out of the agreement with Ukraine into its territory.

                    Agreements were signed with an independent state, which was represented by the legitimate president, the West did not give a damn about the laws, interfered in the internal affairs of Ukraine and overthrew the legitimate government by killing hundreds of people, for the Republic of Crimea this was enough to exercise its right to secede from the former state.

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    It was external to the extent that it was.

                    Take off the pink glasses.
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    And, I'm sorry if you don't like someone's government. this does not mean that he is not

                    The government appointed from the USA does not really exist for me.
                  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 August 2020 08: 37 New
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                    Quote: figvam
                    Agreements were signed with an independent state which was represented by a legitimate president, the West did not give a damn about the laws, interfered in the internal affairs of Ukraine and overthrew the legitimate government by killing hundreds of people

                    Not west. Overthrown by the Ukrainians, incited by the West.
                    Quote: figvam
                    Take off the pink glasses.

                    I don’t know what glasses you need to take off. Read at least something about this coup. Yanukovych signed a waiver, but no one dispersed the Verkhovna Rada, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a resolution in which it stated that Yanukovych “unconstitutionally removed himself from the exercise of constitutional powers” ​​and did not fulfill his duties, and also appointed an early presidential election for May 25, 2014. 328 deputies voted for the removal of Yanukovych. And Turchinov was appointed by the Verkhovna Rada. So there was nothing there that could be qualified as an absence of government, or as an illegally recruited government.
                    It is clear that Turchynov is a protege of the West, but the Verkhovna Rada voted for him, that is, as it were, the highest Ukrainian legislative body.
                    Quote: figvam
                    The government appointed from the USA does not really exist for me.

                    The problem is that it was appointed not only from the USA
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 13 August 2020 15: 49 New
      -1
      And here we will intervene if the situation becomes unmanageable. It's okay for you to know.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 16: 00 New
        -1
        Quote: Campanella
        It's okay for you to know.

        Thanks, Cap!
        Quote: Campanella
        And here we will intervene if the situation becomes unmanageable.

        May be. And this will be interference in internal affairs.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 03 New
          +1
          When Western countries begin to dominate the countries bordering on Russia, this is no longer internal affairs.
          Why does the United States regard any intervention as an attempt to influence something there and is brutally suppressed, and as for other norms?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 August 2020 08: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: Campanella
            When Western countries begin to dominate the countries bordering on Russia, this is no longer internal affairs.

            It is precisely the internal affairs of the countries bordering on the Russian Federation where the West intervened. And after him - and we :))))
            Quote: Campanella
            Why does the United States regard any intervention as an attempt to influence something there and is brutally suppressed, and as for other norms?

            The usual struggle for influence and double standards. "Our man in Ukraine is a heroic spy, and that one Russian is a dirty spy."
  • New
    New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Civil
    then you need to be able to change the rules of the game ...

    The trouble is that they DO NOT KNOW differently and do not understand this. The Kremlin elders live by the knowledge and concepts of the USSR, trying to live under capitalism.
  • New
    New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 05 New
    -3
    Quote: Civil
    Moscow is for Lukashenko. Right or wrong, time will tell

    Consider the options.
    1. Lukashenka will remain in power, but his policy, based on Belarusization and anti-Russia, will still not allow rapprochement with Russia.
    The election campaign has already shown this. The trend of society, namely society, since hundreds of thousands of people participate in the protests and protests do not subside, moreover, there is a tightening on both sides.
    This trend of society will not give him the opportunity to get closer to Russia.
    2. Lukashenka will fall. Undoubtedly, the people who come will look more from the side of Europe. Even Lukashenka accused Russia of interfering in the internal affairs of Belarus.
    Again the result is negative.
    It is necessary to take into account that there are many pro-Western people in the power structures of Belarus and their role and weight are not known to us.
    And if, God forbid, Russia also takes part in the forceful resolution of the conflict, then the second Ukraine is provided.
    This shows the complete mediocrity of politics in the CIS, in its key countries
    It's sad when people in power decided that they could buy everything.
    We need to attract ordinary people to ourselves, and not use them as guest workers, humiliating them. This is how the elite agreements end.
    1. Icarus
      Icarus 13 August 2020 22: 27 New
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      I fully agree that the time for agreements with the elites has passed. We need to work with young people.
      Third option. It is necessary to "help" Lukashenka's fall, or at least not to help him resist. Subject to the participation in the new early elections of a pro-Russian candidate or several such candidates. The question is how to ensure the possibility of campaigning for them? Previously, before Lukashenka leaves, Russia should have mass media (several media outlets and NGOs) in Belarus. This should be the goal of Russian policy at this stage. Given Lukoshenko's current situation, such an ultimatum (Russian media and NGOs) is quite possible.
      But something tells me that the current administration of the President of Russia is not able to work this way.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 13 August 2020 15: 42 New
    -1
    The masks have long been discarded, Belarus is another card in the war of the West against Russia. And for such an intelligent person as you are Moldova, Ukraine is an example.
    However, to explain to you something, this is throwing pearls in front of pigs, you already know everything, but pretend to be innocent.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 August 2020 07: 12 New
    +5
    In Belarus, there are enough of their own, who shout that the future with Russia is only poverty and the collapse of the republic. And onion himself is guilty - he could write 65 percent of the votes for himself, not 83! He was greedy with voices, so he got a micromaydan! !!
    1. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Greedy

      Greed has ruined the frayer. Prolonged stay in power, its irremovability, causes ossification of thinking and deprives of reason. Man turns into a god, and life flows in a different direction and
      1. Liam
        Liam 13 August 2020 10: 14 New
        0
        Power-corrupts Absolute power-corrupts absolutely
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 13 August 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    Earlier, Lithuania and Poland announced their readiness to become “mediators in the negotiations between Lukashenka and the opposition”.

    Can you have at least one last name? At least one intelligible oppositionist .. Or do they want to lead the gangs smashing drug addicts in Minsk?
  • keeper03
    keeper03 14 August 2020 13: 34 New
    0
    See how "democratically"In the United States, they pacify blacks, and even their own population, that the policemen, that the National Guard, do not consider them as people, and stick their nose into foreign countries without looking back !!! am
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 13 August 2020 06: 19 New
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    Lukashenka, of course, is still the same ..., but don't the Belarusians really understand what such European integration will cost them?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 13 August 2020 06: 33 New
      13
      In the 14th after the Maidan, he wrote the same words here. They answered me literally - "we didn't know what it would be like !!!" And this after seeing what happened in Moscow 91-93. Maybe at least Belarusians will be smarter than us ...
      1. Letun
        Letun 13 August 2020 06: 56 New
        0
        It looks like these neighbors also sold for cookies. It's sad.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 13 August 2020 08: 35 New
          +4
          a couple of thousand students goofs and not the people of Belarus
        2. mdsr
          mdsr 13 August 2020 09: 47 New
          -7
          Quote: Letun
          It looks like these neighbors also sold for cookies. It's sad.

          You and you like the oligarchs are on sale for cookies. And I will rejoice together with the Belarusian brothers if, after the people's trial over him, they shoot this agrofuehrer and his sadistic accomplices for crimes against the people. What these ub ... ki are doing to the people today is a medieval caveman horror.
          Shame on all of you and the Russian authorities for justifying crimes against the people of Belarus! You are not brothers to the Belarusians, but the real enemies. I am once again ashamed and disgusted that a part of our people supported murder and bullying. You will justify the same murders and the Russian people, who wished to throw off the oligarchic yoke from their neck.
          1. Letun
            Letun 13 August 2020 10: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: mdsr
            Shame on all of you and the Russian authorities for justifying crimes against the people of Belarus! You are not brothers to the Belarusians, but the real enemies.

            In-in, it began. Ukrainian script. I thought, looking at Ukraine and what the Maidan did to it, people in Belarus would draw conclusions. But no. The brains of the narrow-minded, washed out by liberal propaganda, believe that the Belarusians are prevented from living like in Switzerland by quilted jackets from the east and the dictator dad.
            Well, turn your country into another Eastern European Somalia. Do you think it will be different? no
            1. mdsr
              mdsr 13 August 2020 10: 58 New
              -3
              Somalia is exactly what this agrofuehrer is doing now, and people like you support these atrocities. Belarusians will not forget this. And you are brainwashed with your shameful propaganda. Your words have nothing to do with what is happening now in Belarus. Shame on you!
              1. Letun
                Letun 13 August 2020 12: 10 New
                -1
                Come on, come on. Freeze your ears to harm your mother and Putin.
      2. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 13 August 2020 06: 58 New
        +9
        They answered me literally - "we didn't know what it would be like !!!"

        So they will answer some time after the Maidan. In the meantime, they write that they will succeed, unlike Ukraine.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 13 August 2020 07: 12 New
          +9
          The whole point is that for someone everything will turn out quite well. The rest of the slag will be merged either into an analogue of the ATO or according to Gaidarovski - it is a pity that they did not fit into the market.
      3. Pavel73
        Pavel73 13 August 2020 09: 38 New
        +3
        Oh, what did they see ?! ... They are already finished, lost. For them, we are "Russian Ivans-alcoholics", they were taught and brought up that way. One hundred years of education, all Soviet years. The West also taught Westerners disguised as communists. The stump is clear, they consider themselves smarter and better than us, so they are sure that nothing similar to Russia in the 90s will happen to them.
      4. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 20: 43 New
        0
        They are already out of stock, so it’s unlikely.
        They have fair elections and freedom for political prisoners in their language.
    2. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 13 August 2020 09: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Lukashenka, of course, is still the same ..., but don't the Belarusians really understand what such European integration will cost them?

      And who in Belarus is talking about European integration?
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 20: 45 New
        0
        Well, how Tikhanovskaya and Anna, some kind of one, generally raises the question hard
    3. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      do not understand what such European integration will cost them?

      Alas, they do not understand, but the image of Luke is more hateful to them than that. They think they'll throw it off and heal. But as a rule, other persons use the fruits. Now the slogan is "Go away."
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 13 August 2020 14: 22 New
        0
        Well, in Kazakhstan, they also told Nazarbayev to leave, left, Tokayev was elected, he is a diplomat, he worked at the UN for many years, everything is fine.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 13 August 2020 06: 22 New
    19
    This is war. New Great Patriotic War. In new ways. War of the West against the multinational Russian people, of which the peoples of both Belarus and Ukraine are an integral part. Dismember the Russian people and destroy them piece by piece. Under the rotten and false slogans of "freedom" and "democracy" through and through.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2020 07: 56 New
      -8
      Quote: Pavel73
      This is war. New Great Patriotic War. In new ways. War of the West against the multinational Russian people, of which the peoples of both Belarus and Ukraine are an integral part. Dismember the Russian people and destroy them piece by piece. Under the rotten and false slogans of "freedom" and "democracy" through and through.

      Again the old songs. Yes the people will die out without the West under such rulers. In general, you finally think about why most countries are all right and we are constantly looking for external enemies. Russia’s special path ended in 1917. After that they constructed some kind of incomprehensible political a formation that gnaws at itself and scares others
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 13 August 2020 08: 34 New
        +1
        That is why it is normal for them that we are bad. The West is a mad dog (c). Which is just waiting for the right moment to grab the Russians' throats. There is no need to look for external enemies, they are found themselves. You will laugh, but I will reveal to you a terrible secret: the interests of the authorities and the people always, at all times, from the Stone Age to the 21st century, in all countries of the world COINCIDE. It is beneficial for the authorities to make the people happy; it is beneficial to the people that the government is stable. And Belarus is no exception. If, with a stable power in the country, a buzz begins, then this is always the result of actions of foreign authorities.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 August 2020 09: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          That is why it is normal for them that we are bad. The West is a mad dog (c). Which is just waiting for the right moment to grab the Russians' throats. There is no need to look for external enemies, they are found themselves. You will laugh, but I will reveal to you a terrible secret: the interests of the authorities and the people always, at all times, from the Stone Age to the 21st century, in all countries of the world COINCIDE. It is beneficial for the authorities to make the people happy; it is beneficial to the people that the government is stable. And Belarus is no exception. If, with a stable power in the country, a buzz begins, then this is always the result of actions of foreign authorities.

          So I do not argue that the people should be satisfied. Why should a satisfied people rebel?
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 09: 21 New
            -2
            And the people do not revolt by themselves. Never. The provocateurs, pumped up with foreign money and ideas, always incite people to revolt.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 August 2020 09: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          That is why it is normal for them that we are bad.

          And if we develop the economy, no sanctions will be offered to us with or without reason, because we have nothing to answer.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 09: 28 New
            -1
            So far, there is more benefit to us than harm from sanctions. Example: we bought our composite materials for a new aircraft. But now, sanctions were introduced against us, and these composites were no longer supplied. What to do? You will have to learn to make such composites YOURSELF, and not buy for petrodollars. So much for the benefits for our economy.
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 13 August 2020 13: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Pavel73
              So far, there is more benefit to us than harm from sanctions. Example: we bought our composite materials for a new aircraft. But now, sanctions were introduced against us, and these composites were no longer supplied. What to do? You will have to learn to make such composites YOURSELF, and not buy for petrodollars. So much for the benefits for our economy.

              To learn, you will have to spend a lot of money. Engine engines for ships are still in the process. If you make every nut, then no money will be enough. Well, the population will pay for everything, even the costs of Gazprom and Rosneft
        3. mdsr
          mdsr 13 August 2020 09: 56 New
          -1
          This is war. New Great Patriotic War.
          Take a sedative and see a psychiatrist. What is happening today in Belarus is of the purest water a punitive operation by a mustachioed inhuman who seized power.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 10: 00 New
            +1
            No, this is a deliberate undermining of the state by Western provocateurs in order to crush this state and put it under Western control. For this, this meme about the "mustachioed inhuman" was invented. If he is not a human being, why has there been peace and order in Belarus for 30 years? Inhumans are exactly those who organize all these riots, riots and revolutions. Because it is from this that the people suffer the most.
            1. New
              New Year day 13 August 2020 15: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Pavel73
              If he is not a human being, why has there been peace and order in Belarus for 30 years?

              Where are his long-standing opponents? The bones have already rotted in the ground. Take an interest
      2. Pavel73
        Pavel73 13 August 2020 09: 18 New
        +1
        It's good in the West because we don't get involved in them. But we often have bad things, because they climb to us. From century to century, but not once, but in all sorts of sophisticated and nasty ways. Both war and deception. Now they have entered Ukraine. That was our Russian land for a thousand years. They deceived, promised a well-fed life and prosperity, and the people were led. They tried to do the same in Russia, and now they are trying to do the same in Belarus.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 August 2020 13: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          It's good in the West because we don't get involved in them. But we often have bad things, because they climb to us. From century to century, but not once, but in all sorts of sophisticated and nasty ways. Both war and deception. Now they have entered Ukraine. That was our Russian land for a thousand years. They deceived, promised a well-fed life and prosperity, and the people were led. They tried to do the same in Russia, and now they are trying to do the same in Belarus.

          Problems began after the division of the Union. Everyone wanted to rule their principality with the introduction of their exceptional history and nation.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 13: 33 New
            +1
            If it was only this, then the collapsed Union would very soon reunite. On new principles, in a new form, but unification would inevitably take place. Not necessarily all of it, but its key participants certainly. For together it is always easier, more reliable, safer and more profitable than apart. However, the West did not need this. It was then that billions went from there to "develop democracy." But in fact - on the rampant Russophobia and nationalism.
        2. New
          New Year day 13 August 2020 15: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          Now they have entered Ukraine. That was our Russian land for a thousand years. They deceived, promised a well-fed life and prosperity, and the people were led.

          Why did the people fall for it? Just took it and cheated? Or were there serious failures in the work of the authorities?
          The riot began to mature after the murder of a person in the police station in Nikolayevshchina. Further more.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 17: 54 New
            0
            Of course not. The people of Ukraine have been brought up for a century in hatred of Russia and everything Russian. So they said: "tsarism", "imperial oppression", "prison of peoples", "gendarme of Europe" ... That was the main goal of the "Maidan". And not at all the punishment of the "stolen power". And not some fatal mistakes. Not even the death of a hundred sacrificial rams. All this was just a pretext and a cover. The main task of "Maidan-1" is to legalize Bandera's Nazism. The main task of "Maidan-2" is the overthrow of good or bad, but legitimate government, the coming to power of the Nazis, and the beginning of the elimination of the Russian people in Ukraine. We started right from the Russian language. Who disagrees - suitcase-station-Russia. Whoever disagrees with this - bullets, mines and shells. The infection of nationalism and Russophobia fell on the already prepared soil. I have studied the question too well to confirm all of the above.
            1. New
              New Year day 13 August 2020 18: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: Pavel73
              I have studied the question too well to confirm all of the above.

              Rave. I lived in the Ukrainian Crimea for 40 years, traveled half of Ukraine, including Western. Write nonsense
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 13 August 2020 18: 53 New
                +1
                And I have been to the Ukrainian Crimea, read the books of Ukrainian nationalists, Hrushevsky, Dontsov and Yarosh, read the interview of Stepan Bandera, and I remember that we were rubbed in the RSFSR schools about pre-revolutionary Russia. I will never believe that something else was rubbed in in the Ukrainian SSR schools. The entire history of Russia before the revolution is a continuous cesspool, a continuous "oppression" of the surrounding peoples, but "the Great October Socialist Revolution finally liberated these peoples." This is exactly how hatred for Russia was instilled in them.
                1. New
                  New Year day 13 August 2020 18: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pavel73
                  I will never believe that something else was rubbed in the Ukrainian SSR schools

                  Your problems, but I went to this very school
                  1. Pavel73
                    Pavel73 13 August 2020 19: 29 New
                    +1
                    And what did they say about Russia before 1917? Is it really something good? Especially in the last grades.
                    1. New
                      New Year day 13 August 2020 19: 30 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      And what did they say about Russia before 1917?

                      Study the question of education in the USSR
                      1. Pavel73
                        Pavel73 13 August 2020 20: 35 New
                        +1
                        This is not an answer.
                        I am forced to repeat the question: did they say something good about pre-revolutionary Russia in the history lessons in Soviet schools?
                    2. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 14 August 2020 13: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pavel73
                      And what did they say about Russia before 1917? Is it really something good? Especially in the last grades.

                      Well, as if after the revolution they did not write good things about tsarist Russia
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 20: 47 New
        0
        That is, it is worse in Belarus than in Ukraine and Moldova?
    2. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Pavel73
      This is war. New Great Patriotic War.

      Not. This is the end of the collapse of the USSR. The citizens of a great country were replaced by those who simply do not know that country and their principles, their views are completely different. The same generation is growing with us. It's just that the authorities didn't have to grab for 30 years, but raise the younger generation. But we have the slogan "the state owes you nothing." Why then should a person owe the state?
      For that fought for it and ran
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 13 August 2020 10: 28 New
        0
        The state owes nothing to anyone, since this is just a system of laws and rules for people living together in a certain territory. As well as all organizations that monitor compliance with these laws and regulations. As soon as this control weakens (usually due to the introduction of money and ideas from foreign countries into these organizations), the state begins to collapse.
        1. New
          New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Pavel73
          ... As well as all organizations that monitor compliance with these laws and regulations.

          As is well known, controllers stuff their pockets and grab material values, buy real estate beyond the cordon.
          They make sure that nothing floats past them.
          Quote: Pavel73
          the state begins to collapse.

          This is already a no brainer
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 August 2020 10: 44 New
            +1
            Yes, yes, that's exactly what foreign enemies are focusing on - what kind of bad controllers and officials we have, how they stuff their pockets, let's demolish them and put in good controllers and officials. Under their foreign control. That will be life, eh! How did you decide that foreign states are concerned about the life of our peoples? Just because they are trying to talk about it? So the Germans in the trenches shouted the same thing in our mouthpieces: Russians, we are not against you, we are only against your criminal leaders! But they did not shoot at our leaders, but at us. And they trampled not on our leaders, but on our land!
            1. New
              New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: Pavel73
              Yes, yes, that's what foreign enemies are focusing on - what bad controllers and officials we have,

              We begin to remember: Vasilyeva, Zakharchenko, colonels from the FSB (full name I don’t remember, there are a lot of them), governors, etc. unknown heroes of thefts
              Trutnev's house was found for 2 milliards. Earned laughing honestly laughing
              Oh yeah, it's not them, they are Americans who steal everything
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 13 August 2020 11: 54 New
                +1
                The Americans' task is not to steal. Their task is to exaggerate, to talk about it, and to excite, incite our people to confusion and disorder. Like what kind of bad leaders we have, but if we are not slaves, then we will rise to a riot, good ones, obedient to the West, will come, and then Russia (Belarus, Ukraine, underline the necessary) will flourish. NEVER!
    3. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 13 August 2020 23: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      The war of the West against the multinational
      Russian
      people

      Russian is a nationality, probably you wanted to write "multinational Russian people"
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 14 August 2020 05: 11 New
        +1
        No, "Russian" is not a nationality or an ethnos. Just like "American", "Chinese" or "Indian". All these concepts include many ethnic groups. For example, the Georgian prince Bagration called himself Russian. The Dagetan (Avar) Magomed Tolboyev calls himself a Russian. Russian is born and / or living in Russia and speaks Russian. And of course both Ukrainians and Belarusians are Russians (they have the concept of Rus even in the name itself).
        1. mikhailovich22
          mikhailovich22 14 August 2020 07: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          No, "Russian" is not a nationality

          Russian is a nationality, an American is a definition of belonging to the people of the country as well as a Russian.
          Quote: Pavel73
          For example, the Georgian prince Bagration called himself Russian. The Dagetan (Avar) Magomed Tolboyev calls himself a Russian.

          NATIONALITY - a person's belonging to a certain ethnic community of people, distinguished by the peculiarities of language, culture, psychology, traditions, customs, way of life.
          If Bagration and Tolboev accepted the above values ​​of Russian culture and customs, then yes, they are Russian. A person himself determines his nationality.
          Ivanka Trump adopted Jewish culture and religion for herself and became Jewish by nationality.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 14 August 2020 08: 05 New
            +1
            And one does not interfere with the other. For some, Russian is a nationality, and for others - belonging to the people of the country. Tosno just like the "American". The important thing is that there were no "Russians" before Yeltsin. There was no such word. Before him there were Soviet people of different nationalities. And before the Soviet era, there were Russian people of different origins.
            1. mikhailovich22
              mikhailovich22 14 August 2020 08: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Pavel73
              The important thing is that there were no "Russians" before Yeltsin.

              But what about the Russian Empire, the Romanov dynasty, 300 years old? Then the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic is 70 years old?
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 14 August 2020 08: 36 New
                +1
                And so it was - the Russians. But not "Russians" at all. This is a very bad term.
                1. mikhailovich22
                  mikhailovich22 14 August 2020 19: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pavel73
                  But not "Russians" at all. This is a very bad term.

                  And what is your country called?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 August 2020 06: 22 New
    0
    So this is a no brainer ...
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 13 August 2020 07: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      So this is a no brainer ...

      But in Belarus, it seems, donkeys are no less than hedgehogs.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 August 2020 08: 04 New
        +3
        In Russia, probably the same situation as in Belarus smile
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 13 August 2020 08: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          In Russia, probably the same situation as in Belarus smile

          I guess on average it is the same everywhere.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 13 August 2020 08: 38 New
            +2
            I guess on average it is the same everywhere.
            ... Perhaps yes ... Right now, the thunder is thundering, no one is crossing themselves ... When the mass of baptism is over, they will carry out the cross passages ... And how did it happen ... smile But seriously, if Lukashenka stays, this will be his last term, he will not improve relations with Russia ... And after he leaves ... it will follow the scenario indicated in the news ... without porridge will remain ... although Russia is to blame for this ... ambitions of the eternal, turned out to be above reason ...
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 13 August 2020 08: 54 New
              +1
              In a world where everyone is for himself, Luka does everything logically, like. But we do not know all the pitfalls, so "we will look" (c).
        2. New
          New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          In Russia, probably the same situation as in Belarus

          Finally, at least the right thoughts hi
          In the heat of emotions, rushing "for" and "against" Lukashenka, they forgot that Lukashenka showed Putin how to govern and reset laughing
          This means that we have the same thing, but so far on the bottom. And they draw us full support for the constitution. Draw, the peat bog is burning from below
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 13 August 2020 10: 54 New
            +2
            And they draw us full support for the constitution.
            .... More than 30 percent came, more than 70% voted for .. It was announced that the majority of Russians are in favor of the amendments .. smile
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 13 August 2020 19: 21 New
              0
              Quote: parusnik
              And they draw us full support for the constitution.
              .... More than 30 percent came, more than 70% voted for .. It was announced that the majority of Russians are in favor of the amendments .. smile

              It turns out that 30 million people. - is it the majority in a country with 130 million people? laughing Well, that's how we live. laughing
  • svp67
    svp67 13 August 2020 06: 39 New
    +6
    Most of all "touches" how the Poles climb into the internal affairs of another country ...
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 13 August 2020 08: 24 New
      +2
      I still suspect that someone from the inner circle is also involved, but so far he is quietly coordinating the process of gradual de-legitimization of the dad, I suspect the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 13 August 2020 06: 42 New
    +8
    Lukashenko is not Yanukovych. This is not a vegetable. It just won't give up.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2020 07: 57 New
      -7
      Quote: Sentry73
      Lukashenko is not Yanukovych. This is not a vegetable. It just won't give up.

      Will he end up at the Hague Tribunal? Or like Allende?
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 August 2020 08: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        or how is Allende?

        With a Kalash in hand ... Lukashenka will be able to
      2. Karaul73
        Karaul73 13 August 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        This is his right.
    2. snucerist
      snucerist 13 August 2020 08: 24 New
      0
      Will he start shooting at the people?
      Will bring tanks to the streets?
      Will arrange the Belarusian Tiananmen Square?
      Do you think this is good?
      Daddy, in fact, with agricultural implements should be well acquainted. In particular, with a shovel and its components.
      And also must understand that not a single dictator is immune from the fate of Gaddafi. When the critical mass of popular anger and hatred for the counterfeiter exceeds a certain level, no police and no army will help.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 13 August 2020 08: 29 New
        +2
        This is the main thing to correctly form this critical mass, which has never happened anywhere without external intervention and support. Although the father himself is to blame, he made all the mistakes that he could before the elections. Gave the cards in hand, now flows around.
        What is the Lokhovskaya wiring by the SBU officers of this genius of geopolitics.
        1. snucerist
          snucerist 13 August 2020 08: 58 New
          +1
          I will not comment on the layout.
          I try not to watch TV and not take the official versions to heart. So it is more beneficial for health in general and for the psyche in particular. Professor Preobrazhensky was right when he gave the same advice to Dr. Bormental concerning Soviet newspapers.
          But the 80% drawn by the daddy now clearly go sideways to him. Sometimes it's a good idea to think about it with your head before doing something.
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 13 August 2020 09: 06 New
            0
            Well, I agree with this, Luka drove himself into the current situation and not our non-Chinese comrades, whom he licked to shine for the last few years, are far from rushing to harness for him
            1. New
              New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: K-612-O
              Chinese comrades,

              Not used to dragging chestnuts out of the fire. They sit on a high mountain and look at the flowing river ... They wait. ...
          2. New
            New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: snucerist
            good head to think,

            There is no head there, there is sheer ambition and stupidity. This is called "deceived myself"
    3. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Sentry73
      It just won't give up

      It means they will be hanged or shot
  • Mouse
    Mouse 13 August 2020 06: 44 New
    +8
    Against this background, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland mentioned by Markov announced the development of a "plan for Belarus to get out of the crisis."

    A simple question immediately arises ... the Tribalts have obviously won the crisis? A plan for overcoming the crisis, in which they are mired, do not want to develop?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2020 07: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: Mouse
      Against this background, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland mentioned by Markov announced the development of a "plan for Belarus to get out of the crisis."

      A simple question immediately arises ... the Tribalts have obviously won the crisis? A plan for overcoming the crisis, in which they are mired, do not want to develop?

      Excuse me, but what is wrong with them?
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 13 August 2020 08: 01 New
        +3
        Excuse me, but what is wrong with them?

        Apparently everything is so! they skate in oil, since they climb to other countries, where they are not asked, with their own strategy ...
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 August 2020 09: 26 New
          -2
          Quote: Mouse
          Excuse me, but what is wrong with them?

          Apparently everything is so! they skate in oil, since they climb to other countries, where they are not asked, with their own strategy ...

          Any state conducts its policy based on its interests. Make a decent life in the country and the people will pray for you
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 13 August 2020 09: 33 New
            -2
            make a decent life in the country

            a little clarification ... in OWN country .... and Belarus will somehow figure it out on its own, without "well-wishers" ... vultures have flocked in anticipation ...
        2. New
          New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Mouse
          They ride in oil, since they climb to other countries, where they are not asked, with their own strategy ...

          If we take at least pensions, they are higher than ours. Ride, but not all
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 August 2020 06: 59 New
    +3
    A well-known political scientist called the results of the possible removal of Lukashenka by the opposition from power

    There is no point in considering this option, because there will be no such event ... in the foreseeable future.
    However, how the old / new president will behave further is not possible at all ... it’s too git a wise shot.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 13 August 2020 08: 16 New
      +3
      It is quite possible to consider such an option, given that Makei licks the West, and it is possible that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is also playing against Batski in conjunction with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, rubbing him with false information on the situation with the protests, already inspired and supported by Poland and Sumeria. And when Butler is finished, the worm Makei may well take his place and already democratically suppress this whole mess, and repress the pro-Soviet and pro-Russian political stratum.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 August 2020 08: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: K-612-O
        It is quite possible to consider such an option, while Makei

        I will not consider the option of a "palace coup", because I do not know the business there at all !!!
        I mean that the revolution will not work from below, but how will it be on the top ??? yes fig knows it.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 13 August 2020 08: 45 New
          +2
          Well, Yanyka also surrendered theirs, the head of the Presidential Administration was directly involved in organizing rallies and riots, as it turned out later, and the SBU was silent with closed eyes, the military recognized Turchinov and the new government with the speed of light.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 August 2020 08: 54 New
            +1
            "theirs, theirs" gave up and played along with the "crowd" on the street !!!
            But "on the street" a well-prepared "performance" was played, called .... but whatever you call it, the "performance" was well paid and prepared.
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 13 August 2020 09: 00 New
              +2
              So here, too, the same mechanism is visible. It’s just for the daddy to think that he will not be divorced. They may well. The Sumerians have already divorced our guys like a sucker
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 August 2020 09: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: K-612-O
                The Sumerians have already divorced our guys like a sucker

                Too cunning well well wise, and even paranoia there in full.
                Such people do not need any enemies ... they will drive away their last friends and remain with the "faithful", but not necessarily with such stupid ones, who will not start looking for profit, OWN, on the side!
                The plot has long been known, repeated over the centuries!
                So the thought manifests itself, is he as smart as he considers himself to be?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 August 2020 07: 07 New
    +2
    Lukashenko is still a pepper. If he does not surrender or surrender the security forces, everything will work out for him. As long as he holds on. It's hard for the West, the economy is tied to Russia. And Belarus has been under sanctions since the time when Father gave an order to a balloon with American "balloonists" If the Ukrainians do not dig the Belarusian Sea for the 6th American fleet, they will hold out and win.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2020 08: 02 New
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      then it will hold out and win.

      What wins? He can crush the protests, but sooner or later these problems will worsen. If you believe the posts of Belarusians, the economy is not brilliant there
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 13 August 2020 10: 04 New
        0
        To support the economy, Belarus will have to buy more from them in order to support the Belarusians. Europpe does not need them with their goods at all.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 13 August 2020 07: 08 New
    +1
    The "potato" revolution began to fizzle out.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 13 August 2020 07: 10 New
    +5
    But Markov did not add the most important thing: Lukashenka’s dismissal means the beginning of the formation on the border with Russia, first of a virtual, and then of a real Rzeczpospolita. In addition to the Poles, the Anglo-Saxons will immediately have a hand in this, for whom a cordon sanitaire on the border with Russia is a centuries-old dream.
    What will be the relations of the new Rzecz Pospolita with Russia, it is enough to carefully read the history of Russia, Russia, 16-17 centuries. But there can be no doubt that this will be an extremely spiteful formation for Russia. The reincarnation of the Commonwealth is a nightmare on the western border of Russia.
    Russia's task: to prevent the formation and revival of the new Rzeczpospolita. Does the Russian leadership understand this ?! ...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2020 08: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: The Truth
      But Markov did not add the most important thing: Lukashenka’s dismissal means the beginning of the formation on the border with Russia, first of a virtual, and then of a real Rzeczpospolita. In addition to the Poles, the Anglo-Saxons will immediately have a hand in this, for whom a cordon sanitaire on the border with Russia is a centuries-old dream.
      What will be the relations of the new Rzecz Pospolita with Russia, it is enough to carefully read the history of Russia, Russia, 16-17 centuries. But there can be no doubt that this will be an extremely spiteful formation for Russia. The reincarnation of the Commonwealth is a nightmare on the western border of Russia.
      Russia's task: to prevent the formation and revival of the new Rzeczpospolita. Does the Russian leadership understand this ?! ...

      He can understand and understand, but he can’t do anything. We will have to sponsor the economy. But we don’t sponsor everyone from Syria to Armenia with Abkhazia. It’s clear that no budget will be enough.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 13 August 2020 08: 07 New
      0
      Does the Russian leadership understand this ?! ...
      ...Hardly...
    3. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: The Truth
      Does the Russian leadership understand this?! ..

      Now it comes. Earlier, no
  • warriordima
    warriordima 13 August 2020 07: 13 New
    0
    Hmm, not an enviable fate for Belarusov.Okazalis between a rock and an anvil. On the one hand, the pro-Western organizers of color revolutions always warm their hands on the contradictions in the society of opponents and "partners." What to do in such a situation to the common people who just want fair elections is not clear.
    With such a "democracy" as that of Lukashenka, it would be fairer to change the form of government to a monarchical one, as the son has matured, is ready for the anointing.))
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 07: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: warriordima
      On the one hand, the pro-Western organizers of color revolutions always warm their hands on the contradictions in the society of opponents and "partners." On the other hand, a deceitful dictator, a voluntarist, a usurper of power, falsifying elections

      Any parallels with the Russian Federation do not suggest themselves? :))))))
      1. warriordima
        warriordima 13 August 2020 12: 11 New
        0
        By itself.))
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 August 2020 07: 23 New
    -1
    Why does Edros Markov give his comments? they still remember how they abandoned their party in order to get into the Duma.
    and then I don’t understand why Navalny is bad in Russia, but the same protests in Belarus are good?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 13 August 2020 08: 22 New
      +2
      Our protestors, they are all criminals or swindlers ... Grudinin is a swindler, Navalny is a thief, Platoshkin is an extremist ... but in Belarus, the protestors are not like that and have no criminal past ... laughing
      1. New
        New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: parusnik
        Our protestors, they are all criminals or swindlers ... Grudinin the swindler, Navalny the thief, Platoshkin the extremist

        You are straight like Lukashenka laughing sarcasm is understandable hi
  • Hyperion
    Hyperion 13 August 2020 07: 26 New
    0
    In Russia also?
    1. Veleslav17
      Veleslav17 13 August 2020 08: 02 New
      -2
      and local commentators are not interested. They have only the Ukrainian scenario in their heads, NATO, the West, psheki, etc. They, with their stupid heads, cannot even understand that the people chose Tikhanovskaya as president, and the mustachioed grandfather took away his choice from the people. And what's next for the people to sit chew snot?
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 13 August 2020 08: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Veleslav17
        and local commentators are not interested. They have only the Ukrainian scenario in their heads, NATO, the West, psheki, etc. They, with their stupid heads, cannot even understand that the people chose Tikhanovskaya as president, and the mustachioed grandfather took away his choice from the people. And what's next for the people to sit chew snot?

        And where does it follow that "the people elected Tikhanovskaya as president ..."? From her words? Not a lot to draw conclusions.
        1. New
          New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          And where does it follow that "the people elected Tikhanovskaya as president ..."? From her words?

          So publish the minutes of ALL TECs! And by the fact that it is published that way, at least the second round.
          CEC declared victory without even reading the TEC
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 13 August 2020 11: 00 New
            0
            Here, both sides knew what they were doing ... As a result, ordinary people suffer, both from the one side and the other ...
            1. New
              New Year day 13 August 2020 13: 33 New
              0
              Quote: parusnik
              Here, both sides knew what they were doing.

              They have a lot to lose
              Quote: parusnik
              As a result, ordinary people suffer, both from one side and the other.

              As always request
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 13 August 2020 19: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Doliva63
            And where does it follow that "the people elected Tikhanovskaya as president ..."? From her words?

            So publish the minutes of ALL TECs! And by the fact that it is published that way, at least the second round.
            CEC declared victory without even reading the TEC

            Allah is with you, where did I get the protocols so that I would publish them laughing But curious natives could already have in their hands the originals of the protocols of both TECs and PECs throughout the district - TECs are drawn from them. They must match. I think Lukashenka honestly received his 50-60%, but in the localities, in order to bend, others drove the% for him as best they could, and that's 80%.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 44 New
        -1
        Veleslav, chewing snot is harmful, but losing your mind is to sign your own sentence. Old Man is not eternal, you are not the most unhappy in the world yet.
        But if you give free rein to passions, you will become losers with all the consequences and go to the panel in friendly popular columns.
        Because you cannot blame democracy for your troubles, Lukashenka will not be ...
        And ... and you will remain to swear in your troubles Russia, which fed Lukashenka.
        And if it were not for the feeding, then you would have chosen a worthy president long ago and would have lived like a rich man in your bosom)))
        Well, as the same Moldova and Ukraine!
    2. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 13 August 2020 13: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: Hyperion
      In Russia also?


      Video recording in the studio, clown.
      1. Hyperion
        Hyperion 13 August 2020 15: 46 New
        0
        Nobody promised the video tongue
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 13 August 2020 07: 43 New
    +3
    - the government of Belarus will be flooded with foreigners according to the Ukrainian scenario, Belarus will leave the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union, relations with Russia will worsen, the entry of Russian citizens into the country will be at least limited, restrictions will begin in relation to the Russian language, polonization (transition to Polish jurisdiction) of large Belarusian enterprises -

    It turns out that brothers, that are not brothers, it makes no difference .. I always say that there can be no independence of this territory. This is not a state. This is a territory and population that will always live at someone's expense, because not self-sufficient.
    And for a long time this territory needs to be joined, and people are such a rod ...
  • tatra
    tatra 13 August 2020 07: 49 New
    +3
    For Russia, the result of the overthrow of Lukashenka will be only one - the same pro-Western Russophobic government will come to power in Belarus as in the Baltics and Ukraine. And those who in Russia yearn for the overthrow of Lukashenka are Russia's enemies.
    1. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: tatra
      And those who in Russia are eager to overthrow Lukashenka are Russia's enemies.

      Interesting passage laughing and who then are those who fed Lukashenko, Yanukovych and fucked everything up? laughing
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 August 2020 11: 04 New
        +1
        The Slavic Bazaar, according to sources, will be held at the grave of the Union State of Russia and Belarus ... smile
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 August 2020 07: 50 New
    +6
    Tribalts and Pshechnya are out of their skin to sow discord between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. I guess it won't work for them. There will be any consequences (such as sanctions, etc., etc.), but the security forces will establish order in Belarus.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 13 August 2020 08: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Tribalts and Pshechnya are out of their skin to sow discord between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation. I guess it won't work for them. There will be any consequences (such as sanctions, etc., etc.), but the security forces will establish order in Belarus.

      In the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, my classmates still serve / work, I think the guys will not disappoint. bully
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 13 August 2020 08: 03 New
    0
    And the howl continues again.
  • Zdishek
    Zdishek 13 August 2020 08: 11 New
    -10
    What are residents of a country hostile to Russia doing on the Russian website? I'm not talking about Ukrainians! 80% of Belarusians are not friends of Russia. Stop feeding these parasites! Visa regime and economic sanctions. MZKT is not given to us, gas and oil transportation is not given))) it makes no sense to maintain them,.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 13 August 2020 08: 38 New
      +3
      stop trolling !!! who said that Belarusians and Ukrainians are not our friends?
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 13 August 2020 18: 14 New
        -1
        Nastenka, I distinguish between the Ukrainian people and the OUN members as well as the Belarusians. Common people and various elites are not the same
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 13 August 2020 08: 44 New
      +4
      Stop feeding these parasites!
      ... Under this slogan, the USSR collapsed and neither the CIS nor the Union State of Russia and Belarus took place ...
    3. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 10: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Zdishek
      ? I'm not talking about Ukrainians! 80% of Belarusians are not friends of Russia.

      It is people like you who are destroying Russia. Read Brzezinski am
    4. Campanella
      Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 34 New
      0
      Bzdishek, do you feed on someone else's blood, ghoul?
  • iouris
    iouris 13 August 2020 10: 23 New
    +1
    Markov, is Moscow playing or all its cards are beaten?
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 32 New
      0
      Well, dad, independent so it is unlikely.
  • Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 13 August 2020 10: 54 New
    +1
    I am an elderly person, not energetic, one might say lazy, so I just call on active people to organize rallies in support of Lukashenka near the Belarusian Embassy in Moscow!
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 August 2020 11: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Moskal 55
      actions in support of Lukashenka

      What does Lukashenka have to do with it? Shares are not needed if there are interests, will and resources. On the basis of the treaty on the union state, the interference of non-union states should be stopped. Another question is how.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 31 New
        0
        Shares are needed, so when the case goes into a very hot phase, then the CSTO and the union and others.
    2. New
      New Year day 13 August 2020 16: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Moskal 55
      actions in support of Lukashenka

      He does not need support, but turn on his head.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 29 New
        0
        The head should have been turned on earlier! And now it is necessary to brush it off. He should turn to the people.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 August 2020 11: 45 New
    +2
    They themselves live in lousy, non-representative Fashington colonies and still teach someone how to live, a pitiful sight.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 13 August 2020 13: 25 New
    0
    Yes. Prose of political) friendship. "Comrade Lu did not support a single important political action of Russia. He played like no one knows who trying to please everyone. But a situation happened when he and the opinion of the majority of Belarusians decided to merge and Russia, immediately after the slap-33 sometimes needing it, "harnessed", again exacerbating its position.
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 13 August 2020 13: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Liam
    and repeated by a Russian revolutionary with the education of a dropout lawyer

    I will allow myself to get involved in your heated argument :), but it became insulting for Vladimir Ilyich, who was who, and he was not a dropout ...
    1. Liam
      Liam 13 August 2020 13: 46 New
      0
      The dispute about economics. But in economics Ilyich was a complete layman all the same. And he graduated from the education of a lawyer as an external student)
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 August 2020 22: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Liam
        finished as an external student

        ... but with a gold medal, not a triple.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 13 August 2020 13: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Liam
    This is from which textbook on economics. Which course?)

    Political economy, of course, + political science textbooks. I personally outlined this in the 1st year
    Quote: Liam
    For an economist, you are surprisingly poorly grounded both theoretically and practically. By the way. The second source of this stupid quotation which all the Internet "economists" of the Russian Internet use is

    Liam, I know that this definition was given by Clausewitz. And that Lenin repeated it. But what you do not know about is that this definition was considered correct by our economic and political school and was replicated in many textbooks.
    Quote: Liam
    By the way, enlighten ... how the policy of the USSR is admissible in the Stalinist period, was a concentrated expression of its economy.

    Let's better clarify in what period and in what policy of the USSR (external, internal), in your opinion, was not based on the country's economy?

    Andrey don't feed the trolls .. hi There is no mind, no fantasy, only tricks and manipulations.
  • MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT 13 August 2020 15: 28 New
    +1
    We also have a king to sit, like a normal guy, but ,,,,
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 24 New
      0
      I wrote about this too.
      Putin politically leads Russia into the same impasse by not giving the opportunity to participate in the political process of constructive opposition - the communists and other sane.
      If Luka is toppled, Putin may be next, especially since Akella is getting old and politics requires strength.
    2. Sanche
      Sanche 13 August 2020 21: 43 New
      0
      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      We also have a king to sit, like a normal guy, but ,,,,

      the normal one will not sit 5 terms.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 August 2020 18: 08 New
    0
    "several likely outcomes" are actually one with minor nuances.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 13 August 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    Actually, everything that we talked about here Markov and repeated.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 13 August 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    "Lithuania and Poland expressed their readiness to become mediators" A. G. will be complete if he agrees to such intermediaries
  • U-58
    U-58 13 August 2020 19: 02 New
    +1
    Events in Belarus are the business of the Belarusians.
    Another thing is interesting: to what extent Moscow has information about what is happening there.
    As far as Putin is satisfied with the lesson he receives for his intractability.
    In fact, the Kremlin has not officially announced its position on what is happening.
  • Sanche
    Sanche 13 August 2020 21: 38 New
    0
    When will it reach Russian political scientists, Kremlin bots and just Russians that it is not the opposition that is revolting in the Republic of Belarus, but that the whole people, including the small opposition, have revolted. All forces united against the tyrant.
    All large enterprises went on strike.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 14 August 2020 03: 21 New
    0
    Quote: ReferralWOT
    without the Ukrainian Maidan there would be no return of Crimea, so about who benefits from the Belarusian Maidan can be discussed and, in general, about whether it is possible, under Maidan sauce, to organize the return of Belarusians to their native harbor

    So, like ours, who were tied, maybe they were in Belarus for support, a smooth transition to their native harbor, even with Lukoshenko. But he did not want to, and now he received it.
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 14 August 2020 07: 06 New
    0
    You need to develop your country! They are drawn to the strong and prosperous.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 14 August 2020 18: 02 New
    -1
    Luka - m.r.a.z.b, but now it is better that he resist. Although, this is not very important, in November there was a civil war in the United States, the collapse and collapse of the world dollar system