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In Ukraine, the final decision was made to replace the problematic "Hammer" with a mortar "Buchard"

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In Ukraine, the final decision was made to replace the problematic "Hammer" with a mortar "Buchard"

In Ukraine, they said that the mortars produced in the country "are increasingly pushing foreign-made mortars from the Ukrainian market." It is noted that 82-mm UPIK-82 mortars, which were put into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2017, and 60-mm MP-60 mortars are becoming more widespread in the domestic market.


It is argued that the new 82-mm mortar "is not a copy of the Soviet weapons"And" has improved operational characteristics, including through the use of new guidance mechanisms and optics.

It is added that after numerous unsuccessful attempts to get rid of the problems of the M-120-15 "Hammer" mortars, which are notable for their low reliability (including due to the use of steel grades unsuitable for such weapons), it was decided to replace these mortars with other versions. The “hammer” has been produced in Ukraine since 2015, and during this time it managed to make a lot of noise among the troops. There is a whole series of examples when the Hammer mortars exploded directly at the positions and wounded the Ukrainian military personnel.

In total, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were supposed to receive a batch of 280 Molot mortars, but then (due to unreliability) in Ukraine, the process of arming with mortars was revised. In particular, the possibility of equipping the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 120 mm Buchard mortars from the Starokramatorsk Machine-Building Plant (SKMZ) is being considered.

Now the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has made a final decision that it will be "Buchard" that will replace the problematic "Hammer" mortars, for the development and creation of which tens of millions of hryvnias were actually wasted. It is noted that the Bouchard mortar "performed well when tested at low temperatures." What specific temperatures are in question is not reported.
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  1. Piramidon
    Piramidon 9 August 2020 16: 30
    12
    In Ukraine, the final decision was made to replace the problematic "Hammer" with a mortar "Buchard"

    How is it with Ivan Andreevich Krylov - "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down ..."
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 9 August 2020 16: 50
      13
      Quote: Piramidon
      How is it with Ivan Andreevich Krylov - "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down ..."

      You're right. Bouchard (French) is a hammer with a serrated surface, like a kitchen hammer for chops. The name was changed and the manufacturer, and the development is the same.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 August 2020 18: 58
        +1
        At one time the production facilities in Kramatorsk were famous. Heavy artillery systems were made there. In particular, ship tower installations. What now? Hard to say. In any case, they will be able to copy.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 9 August 2020 20: 52
          +4
          Didn't the Stalingrad plant "Barricades" make ship gun mounts? However, this is probably a specialization in calibers. As for the Kramatorsk plant, friends from a neighboring office told me that they made excellent replaceable nozzles for a supersonic wind tunnel in 1960. And in 1980 they failed to repeat them. What can they do now, if degradation started then?
          1. mintai_kot
            mintai_kot 10 August 2020 09: 49
            +1
            In addition to Kramatorsk and Volgograd, the ship cannons were also manufactured by the Frunze plant.In St. Petersburg, these are AK-130, AK100, AK725, AK 726 and much more
        2. venik
          venik 10 August 2020 13: 55
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          What now? Hard to say. In any case, they will be able to copy.

          =======
          Copy? Copy - they can! Produce QUALITATIVELY? I strongly doubt it! How "Sleigh" could not reproduce qualitatively ..... So, most likely, it will work out with "bushard" too .....
          Pancake! And this is Ukraine! Where there was once 13 (thirteen !) metallurgical plants that could smelt ANY steel grades !!! ANY !!! ....... Once upon a Time....... request
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 August 2020 16: 53
      +9
      Quote: Piramidon
      How is it with Ivan Andreevich Krylov - "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down ..."


      Yeah what .

      after numerous unsuccessful attempts to get rid of the problems of the M-120-15 "Molot" mortars, which are notable for their low reliability (including due to the use of steel grades unsuitable for such weapons), it was decided to replace these mortars with other versions.


      As if "other options"can be made from unsuitable steel grades belay .

      Having succeeded, you are NOT brother with "Bouchards" yes .
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 9 August 2020 17: 57
      0
      They could refuse from "Hammer" as there is no sales lobbyist in Ukraine. Poroshenko owns a factory for the production of mortars, and he pushed through his purchase for budgetary funds, the fact that products mutilate soldiers so money does not smell. But the former president, who makes money in the war, was pushed away from the trough.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 9 August 2020 18: 32
        +3
        So there, and the price was fabulous. A piece of Chinese water pipe was selling for the price of the latest mattress mortar.
      2. ws.kotov
        ws.kotov 9 August 2020 21: 30
        0
        Quote: nickname7
        Poroshenko owns a mortar factory

        straight mortar factory?! laughing
        read this ... what he just does not own lol
        developer OJSC Plant Mayak
        Manufacturer OJSC Plant Mayak
        The first experimental barrels Starokramatorsk Machine-Building Plant

        You at least check what you write - on the Internet all information is available, and on the owners too.
  2. Operator
    Operator 9 August 2020 16: 36
    +4
    The outskirts are a damned place, they and the "Buchards" will explode in volleys bully
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 9 August 2020 17: 35
      +8
      all slander and you slander.
      on the outskirts of the old traditions of metalworking and materials science .. the new mortar will give the Armed Forces advantages over the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And the Iskanders won't help.
      We are being deceived - the mortar range is 2500 km.
      You will have to run to Vladivostok. mines won't get there
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 9 August 2020 18: 30
        +5
        Quote: antivirus
        We are being deceived - the mortar range is 2500 km.

        Indeed - a cool mortar! laughing
      2. Jager
        Jager 9 August 2020 19: 59
        +4
        And can I pour this fencing grass too?)
      3. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 11 August 2020 07: 17
        0
        [Quote] the new mortar will give the Armed Forces advantages over the Armed Forces of Russia. And Iskander will not help. [/ Quote]
        [quote] Will have to run to Vladivostok. mines won't get there [quote]
        Yes, you are slandering! Iskander in the APU? Will they not be fat? Tornadoes will cost, anyway, unlike the RF Armed Forces, there is nowhere and no time to run.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 11 August 2020 07: 52
          0
          behind us Moscow and Arbat, behind the kohl Halifax and Montana.
          a lot of places on the planet
  3. oldzek
    oldzek 9 August 2020 16: 37
    +8
    one got rich on junk ... now the other on the other ... IMHO
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  5. Kerensky
    Kerensky 9 August 2020 16: 42
    10
    "Is not a copy of Soviet weapons"

    Sure! In the USSR, they could not afford such an expense of calculations, they had to make normal mortars.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 August 2020 16: 44
    +9
    The mortar, the second simplest artillery system, after the MLRS (single-barreled partisan version on a tripod, remember?) ... During the Second World War, they were not produced in bed workshops. And in Ukraine, in the factory, what, "did not shmogla"?
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 9 August 2020 18: 38
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      they were not produced in bed workshops. And in Ukraine, in the factory, what, "did not shmogla"?

      Guys, let's be fair, on the outskirts there are minds and specialists, and engineers and workers. And they can do everything. But ... This requires only a little - a change in the socio-political system. In the meantime, this does not happen, and "Bouchard" will be "Hammer".
  7. Irek
    Irek 9 August 2020 16: 48
    +2
    Another wunderwaffe was invented.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 August 2020 16: 53
    +1
    Buchard is not a Ukrainian "widowmaker" by chance: are they translated for calculating the mortar? repeat
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 August 2020 17: 07
      +6
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Buchard is not a Ukrainian "widowmaker" by chance: are they translated for calculating the mortar? repeat


      "Bouchard" is actually a special hammer with a profiled striker, designed for processing stone slabs.
      Including there are electric and pneumatic (as in the photo)



      And the spelling and sounding of "buchard" in Russian and in movi is the same ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 August 2020 17: 10
        +5
        Let the mines hit the capsule with this sledge-hammer, it is better to hit the fuse for reliability.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 August 2020 17: 12
          11
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Let the mines hit the capsule with this sledge-hammer, it is better to hit the fuse for reliability.

          The hammer is an unnecessary detail for evil, for ruiningso let them master double loading yes
      2. cost
        cost 9 August 2020 18: 10
        +2
        According to the characteristics, it is difficult to say something, since state tests are planned only for the fall of this year. At the same time, it will be clear to what extent this is a breakthrough development for the army, because the barrel for the Hammer (and this is the main part of the weapon) is produced at the same Starokramatorsk Machine-Building Plant, and the Mayak is only engaged in completing the mortar with additional accessories.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 9 August 2020 18: 20
          +1
          So the article is "one-sided"))
          I heard about Starokoamatorsk only remotely. After what was written, I went online and ...
          Oh Gods! It turns out that UPIK82 has already delivered 300 units to the troops, and 60 mm - about 100!
          And no complaints ...
          If we consider that out of 13 cases of 120 mm mortar burst, 4 are still Soviet, then ...
          Clear. Examples on "hammers", "patrols" and cracks on the BTR4 will be used even in the 22nd century.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 August 2020 19: 35
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        "Bouchard" is actually a special hammer with a profiled striker. And the spelling and sounding of "buchard" in Russian and in Movi is the same.

        All his life he beat meat with such a hammer, but did not know that it was called "Bouchard". Thanks for the info. hi
  9. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 9 August 2020 17: 00
    0
    As I understand this, the plans for the development and production of rifled mortars of 120-160mm caliber (rather 160mm, peeping at the French and Jews with one eye, or even stupidly skopipastiv) have been postponed, if not permanently, then for a very long time.
  10. Gato
    Gato 9 August 2020 17: 02
    +9
    82-mm UPIK-82 mortars are widely used in the domestic market

    Slander. On the domestic market, the most common grenades are the RGD-5 and F-1 systems. They are better for decorating festive feasts and it is more interesting to disassemble them in their free time from service.
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 August 2020 17: 05
    0
    Bouchard's good product will not be named.
    Although the Shaitan pipe is also dangerous.
    1. Gato
      Gato 9 August 2020 17: 33
      +4
      the shaitan pipe is dangerous too

      In crooked hands, even a rubber dildo poses a danger to the operator - "it will break, and even cut" (C).
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 20
    +2
    Interestingly, they are sawing money there in the defense industry ..
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 August 2020 17: 26
    +1
    "It was noted that the Bouchard mortar" performed well when tested at low temperatures "...." (c) laughing Are the funerals gathered in the North? They change the "Hammer" to "Bouchard", even if the number of calculations will increase. Bouchard is not a hammer, you cannot get off with a single concussion. winked
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 9 August 2020 17: 43
      0
      Siberia will be won back from us, since there is enough fat.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 9 August 2020 17: 53
        +3
        Some svidomites Siberia can be provided anyway. But is there lard in the diet of local colonies? laughing
  14. zenion
    zenion 9 August 2020 17: 35
    0
    Rename hammers to anvils and upgrade them.
  15. fn34440
    fn34440 9 August 2020 17: 37
    0
    The previous 120mm mortar mortars "Bars" did not have firing tables and that is why the entire batch of "Bars" was sent to the storage base. But it was an "automatic" - mounted on a 12-ton armored car .. The gun was equipped with an automatic deployment system.
    The time to bring the mortar to full combat readiness is only 35 seconds. Earlier in the "Ukroboronprom" reported that the firing range of this MMK is more than 7 kilometers, and the rate of fire of the gun - 12 rounds per minute. Horizontal guidance is ± 60 degrees, and vertical guidance is from 45 to 90. The crew of the complex is 3 people. Ammunition - sixty 120 mm min.
    If the fat eaters have created an even cooler car, I take off my hat. Not without a tandem with the Belarusian Lukomorye, obviously.
    The White Russians call this "Buchard" or "Bars" "SM120" - a Belarusian self-propelled artillery unit of the self-propelled mortar class. The vehicle was developed by the Minotor-Service enterprise on the basis of the 2S12 Sani portable mortar complex and the chassis of an armored personnel carrier.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 9 August 2020 21: 41
      +2
      and vertically from 45 to 90

      But is 90 degrees the same to shoot by itself?
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 August 2020 17: 38
    +1
    And the mortar is not the most complex product and the barrel is not the most loaded there.
  17. alexmach
    alexmach 9 August 2020 17: 51
    -1
    In particular, the possibility of equipping the Armed Forces with Buchard mortars of 120 mm caliber from the Starokramatorsk Machine-Building Plant (SKMZ) is being considered.

    Hello to the hero Strelkov?
  18. Well done
    Well done 9 August 2020 17: 51
    -1
    "Horseradish is not sweeter than a radish" - how will it sound in Bender? .. They are mastering handouts ...
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 9 August 2020 18: 06
      -1
      And there all the questions are translated in the same way - "it's not mange pas sis zhur! Give food to anyone who can!"
  19. RUnnm
    RUnnm 9 August 2020 18: 04
    0
    Ok, they replaced the optics, guidance mechanisms, but about low-quality steel, they said about a problem, but about its elimination - silence. Or 82mm tore, but 120mm does not explode?
    And another thing is not clear - they will stand up for the standard armament of the companies, battalions, or batteries in the regiments? In principle, the right decision, the mortar is the weapon of the poor, when there is not enough money to equip with artillery (debatable, but this is true), but who has calculated the changes in the OShS, the increase in the need for transport, the ammunition supply, the need to prepare calculations, spotters, etc. The feeling that just a regimental mortar was removed from storage for almost 38 years, painted in yellow-blocky and joyfully presented to the shouts of "money, give money!"
  20. Turist1996
    Turist1996 9 August 2020 22: 58
    0
    Well! You can only support!
    And to be happy for everyone who got money from this whole circus ..
    But what does the weapon have to do with it ?!
  21. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 August 2020 23: 12
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir61
    Quote: Piramidon
    How is it with Ivan Andreevich Krylov - "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down ..."

    You're right. Bouchard (French) is a hammer with a serrated surface, like a kitchen hammer for chops. The name was changed and the manufacturer, and the development is the same.

    it seems to me it was a comedy (C))))))