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OTRK "Iskander-M" will be involved in the protection of the Russian coast

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OTRK "Iskander-M" will be involved in the protection of the Russian coast

The Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) will be used to attack amphibious assault forces and ships of a potential enemy. This was reported by Izvestia with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.


Rocket brigades of the ground forces, armed with Iskander-M missile systems, will be trained from this year on striking enemy ships and assault forces to cover the coast. This exercise will be included in the standard missile combat training program.

According to the Ministry of Defense, the Iskander-M OTRK located in the depths of the defense can receive target designations from aviation, fleet, reconnaissance and UAV. Thanks to automated command and control systems, information in real time will be received by the OTRK crews, which will be able to both reflect the landing of enemy amphibious assault forces and support the landing of their own.

The first exercises with "naval" Iskander firing took place during a surprise check of troops announced by the Russian President. OTRK deployed in the Kuban conducted electronic missile launches during a tactical exercise to repel the seizure of the Black Sea coast. During the firing, the OTRK crews conditionally destroyed the amphibious assault and military equipment landed on the shore from the ships.

Recall that in November last year, the Ministry of Defense announced the rearmament of ten missile brigades at the Iskander-M missile system and the formation of three more. The Russian industry produces two brigade sets of OTRKs per year.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2020 15: 45
    12
    The "points" were used for this, and the worse the "Iskander" is, the more so that they can shoot both ballistic and cruise missiles ... The main thing is that intelligence data would be promptly received.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 15: 51
      -12 qualifying.
      And what is the need for this? Are we missing DBK? This is their job. Why sparrows from a cannon?
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 July 2020 16: 09
        12
        Quote: 1976AG
        Are we missing DBK?

        "Do not spoil the porridge with butter" ... the more firepower there are capable of striking the landing ship group, the less there will be those who can land on our shore
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 27 July 2020 16: 35
          10
          Quote: svp67
          the more firepower there are capable of striking the amphibious ship group, the fewer there will be those who can land on our shore

          In terms of range, yes, good. A missile is a targeted strike, here it would be necessary to use a cluster warhead or MLRS "Uragan", "Smerch", "Tornado" systems. This is just in time to hit the gripping coastline. And the ships will get the landing. An area hit will be better.
          1. Imperial Technocrat
            Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 22
            +2
            Iska has a cassette head. This complex generally has almost 7 types of heads, or even more
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 July 2020 16: 36
        +4
        Sparrows you landing ships and their cover call. wassat lol
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 July 2020 16: 44
          +7
          Quote: Ros 56
          Sparrows you landing ships and their cover call. wassat lol

          I call the landing sparrows, and the DBKs are primarily intended for the destruction of ships. And it is easier, more logical and cheaper to build more DBKs.
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 July 2020 17: 00
            -1
            Quote: 1976AG
            And it is easier, more logical and cheaper to build more DBKs.

            But this does not mean that only they should be used to destroy the enemy landing forces, especially since the Iskander will have more power. To strike with Iskander, upset the marching order, and then finish off individual ships with Ballami and Bastion
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 27 July 2020 17: 10
              +4
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: 1976AG
              And it is easier, more logical and cheaper to build more DBKs.

              But this does not mean that only they should be used to destroy the enemy landing forces, especially since the Iskander will have more power. To strike with Iskander, upset the marching order, and then finish off individual ships with Ballami and Bastion

              Of course not. For this, there are MLRS and other units of the ground forces. And for the destruction of ships, anti-ship missiles are still more preferable, since they attack ships taking into account the importance of each and taking into account their anti-missile defense.
              1. svp67
                svp67 27 July 2020 17: 45
                0
                Quote: 1976AG
                Of course not. For this, there are MLRS and other units of the ground forces. And for the destruction of ships, anti-ship missiles are still more preferable, since they attack ships taking into account the importance of each and taking into account their anti-missile defense.

                My dear man, the more damage we inflict on them from a greater distance, the easier it will be on the shore, especially since they are now resorting to over-the-horizon landing tactics ... and their ships will have to be reached beyond the horizon

                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 27 July 2020 17: 50
                  +3
                  So make the DBK missiles more long-range, and if you follow your logic, then ICBMs are even better suited for this.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 27 July 2020 17: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    ... if you follow your logic, ICBMs are even better suited for this.

                    If they hit the naval base and naval bases, then yes. "Each vegetable has its own fruit."
                    The Iskander-K is equipped with not only ballistic missiles, but also the "land" Caliber, which is an excellent means of engaging ships.
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 27 July 2020 18: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: svp67
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      ... if you follow your logic, ICBMs are even better suited for this.

                      If they hit the naval base and naval bases, then yes. "Each vegetable has its own fruit."
                      The Iskander-K is equipped with not only ballistic missiles, but also the "land" Caliber, which is an excellent means of engaging ships.

                      So that's it, that everyone should do their job. DBK will not be able to perform the functions of Iskander.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 27 July 2020 18: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        DBK will not be able to perform the functions of Iskander.

                        And nevertheless, their missiles can do it, in the sense of striking land targets.
                        There used to be separate Tochk-U missile divisions in motorized rifle and tank divisions, I fully admit the return of these divisions to land formations, but armed with Iskander
                      2. 1976AG
                        1976AG 27 July 2020 19: 17
                        +2
                        In principle, to strike at ground targets - yes. But in terms of range, impact power, ability to overcome enemy air defense and missile defense - no!
                2. Charik
                  Charik 28 July 2020 09: 13
                  +1
                  so there are long-range PKR-Onyx, Caliber-winged-maybe they are unified for the Iskander launcher
              2. Marconi41
                Marconi41 27 July 2020 18: 47
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                My dear man, the more we damage them from a distance, the easier it will be on the shore,

                Will you get there? It’s not cheap. Not for that they were created, their tasks are completely different. Airfields, warehouses with BP, air defense facilities, troop concentrations. And ships have the ability to move, which is not ice at all for Iskander!
                1. svp67
                  svp67 27 July 2020 19: 19
                  -2
                  Quote: Marconi41
                  Will you get there?

                  Well, this is already an artillery case, the Chinese artillerymen somehow even manage to hit with ballistic missiles, I don't think ours are worse
                  1. Marconi41
                    Marconi41 27 July 2020 19: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Marconi41
                    Will you get there?

                    Well, this is already an artillery case, the Chinese artillerymen somehow even manage to hit with ballistic missiles, I don't think ours are worse

                    One out of 10 times? Maybe DBK will do it better? More chances. The shoemaker should make boots, not pies.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 27 July 2020 19: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Marconi41
                      One out of 10 times?

                      Well, the Chinese have an expense - one rocket ...
                    2. PSih2097
                      PSih2097 27 July 2020 21: 56
                      +3
                      Quote: svp67
                      Well, the Chinese have an expense - one rocket ...

                      do you sound the power of the head DF-21 ???? 100 - 500 Kt, this is in addition to non-nuclear equipment, but 500 Kt, and even a hundred Kt in KVO 30-40m for AUG is a lot ...
                    3. svp67
                      svp67 28 July 2020 05: 09
                      0
                      Quote: PSih2097
                      do you sound the power of the head DF-21 ???? 100 - 500 Kt, this is in addition to non-nuclear equipment, but 500 Kt, and even a hundred Kt in KVO 30-40m for AUG is a lot ...


                      Sorry, but with such accuracy you can just shoot at them with a blank
          2. Charik
            Charik 28 July 2020 09: 11
            +1
            over such a vinton carrier, a cassette and norms will explode - vertices can be pushed into the water
  2. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2020 17: 43
    +1
    Quote: Ros 56
    Sparrows you landing ships and their cover call.

    "Sparrows" over-the-horizontal landing .... laughing
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 17: 51
      0
      Do you call ships sparrows?)
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 July 2020 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: 1976AG
        Do you call ships sparrows?)

        No, you called them that ... do not give up authorship
        Quote: 1976AG
        Why sparrows from a cannon?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 July 2020 19: 03
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: 1976AG
          Do you call ships sparrows?)

          No, you called them that ... do not give up authorship
          Quote: 1976AG
          Why sparrows from a cannon?

          Please read carefully, I called the landing party sparrows.
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 July 2020 19: 05
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            Please read carefully, I called the landing party sparrows.

            Long-range weapon strikes should do everything to make the enemy abandon the idea of ​​a landing
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 27 July 2020 19: 10
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: 1976AG
              Please read carefully, I called the landing party sparrows.

              Long-range weapon strikes should do everything to make the enemy abandon the idea of ​​a landing

              I agree. But why involve Iskanders if you can get by with the use of a DBK? And if we talk specifically about ships, then there is also sea and air-based anti-ship missiles.
              1. svp67
                svp67 27 July 2020 19: 14
                +1
                Quote: 1976AG
                But why involve Iskanders if you can get by with the use of a DBK?

                "The stock of the pocket does not pull"
                Now I don't know what intelligence our General Staff has. I can only assume that with the change in the landing tactics and the transfer of the landing line of the landing craft, with the appearance of the UDC, far beyond the horizon, now it has demanded something to get them there, as well as on the transition.
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 27 July 2020 20: 20
                  -2
                  svp67 (Sergey) I read your conversation with 1976AG (Alexey) .I probably couldn't do that laughing I would have run out of patience after his second run. wassat "Iskander" complex is multifaceted. Missiles can be used differently. According to its capabilities. And therefore it has the ability to hit sea targets. And why not a DBK, for example, "Bastion" because the missile systems must be universal. In Syria, remember ours used DBK for land targets? (This is not for you Sergey specifically)
                2. 1976AG
                  1976AG 27 July 2020 21: 04
                  -2
                  You watched our conversation for about 15 minutes, but did not understand the essence. This is bad. The bottom line is that if there are specialized systems for dealing with ships, then why use more expensive and possibly less effective weapons to accomplish this task? And if there is not enough DBK in our army, then is it not easier and cheaper to put more DBKs in the Armed Forces, and not to attract more expensive Iskander? Is it really that hard to understand?
                3. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 27 July 2020 21: 21
                  -2
                  It is not difficult to understand at all. It is difficult to understand when two smart people are trying to prove the same thing to each other. lol By the way, for fairness, I will also post a video about the hit of the DBK of absolutely the same company. Where the hit of the DBK on a sea target is perfectly visible. With a blow under the ship's waterline. Right? I think yes.Will Iskander be able to do this? I don’t know. Possibly. I don’t own any additional information. But the range of missiles that the Iskander can strike is large. hi
                4. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 28 July 2020 00: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: 1976AG
                  And what is the need for this? Are we missing DBK? This is their job. Why sparrows from a cannon?

                  Why sparrows from a cannon? Iskander is an army level, and when using a special warfare unit, units of a special battalion call in at special bases .. The task of the General Staff to guard the deployment of such units is, not the neffront or army unit to which everything is assigned.
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 27 July 2020 17: 10
    -8
    They sent a lot to Libya, Syria, etc., So we close the holes with what we can
  • Charik
    Charik 27 July 2020 21: 21
    0
    Maximum target destruction range: 500 km Iskander-K (with the R-500 cruise missile up to 2500 km) -Iskander can use a wide range of cluster warheads. Range of destruction: 120 km with the Kh-35 missile and 260 km with the Kh-35U missile - this is such a necessity-
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 21: 39
      -1
      Quote: Charik
      Maximum target destruction range: 500 km Iskander-K (with the R-500 cruise missile up to 2500 km) -Iskander can use a wide range of cluster warheads. Range of destruction: 120 km with the Kh-35 missile and 260 km with the Kh-35U missile - this is such a necessity-


      If a quasi-ballistic missile is used, the question is, is it capable of destroying moving targets? If a cruise missile, then it is subsonic, and then another question is whether it will be able to overcome the enemy's air defense? The anti-ship missiles are designed to overcome air defense - missile defense, they have a complex algorithm that takes into account both the degree of danger of the ship and the features of the protection of the ship group. Does the R-500 (or what kind of Iskander-K) have such capabilities?
      1. Charik
        Charik 28 July 2020 09: 08
        0
        a quasi-ball on an assault force or on weakly protected ships is probably possible, but a winged and anti-aircraft ship with air defense standards will do
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 July 2020 02: 17
      0
      The special battalion will hold the perimeter, and then the battery with the attached forces will deploy
      There is no choice. Only the level of the use of nuclear weapons is incomprehensible, but such things are not taught in artillery schools, you have to delve into it yourself.
    3. KCA
      KCA 28 July 2020 08: 22
      -1
      X-35 is "Ball", "Bastion" "Onyx", what is the need with it?
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 16: 00
    +2
    Tochka doesn't seem to have a seeker, but Iskander does. You can't walk around the ship from the Tochka. Is that standing))
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 July 2020 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      You can't walk around the ship from the Tochka.

      It is quite normal "zhahaya" ...
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      The Point does not seem to have a homing head

      Accuracy is quite enough for her KBCh to cover a detachment, and even a single ship
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 27 July 2020 16: 41
        +2
        Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) will be used to strike at amphibious assault forces and ships of a potential enemy.


        Why not apply, with the necessary measures for aiming at the target?

        It seems during the Second World War, somewhere in East Prussia, a German submarine was sunk by a cannon shot from the shore by a Soviet self-propelled gun ...
        1. mvg
          mvg 27 July 2020 17: 16
          -4
          a Soviet self-propelled gun shot from the shore.

          It baked your head in NM. Do not be offended, and this does not happen
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 July 2020 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            It baked your head in NM. Do not be offended, and this does not happen

            So the Japanese on Matua could sink an American submarine with a field gun, and why are our gunners worse?
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 27 July 2020 18: 08
            +3
            Would you apologize to a person or something ..

            U 78 (type VII C)
            Due to the lack of torpedo tubes during its construction (adopted by the fleet on 15.2.41), it received only two bow TA. Throughout the war, she was a training submarine in the 22nd Flotilla (Gotenhafen) until March 1945, when it was reclassified as a floating charging station. She was nominally in the 4th flotilla (Stettin), but remained in Pillau, where she was sunk by 18.4.45 Soviet artillery during the assault on the city. Sank at the pier of the Marine Station.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 27 July 2020 18: 31
          +1
          I read about a case when a plane was shot down from a 120mm mortar .. The clerk seems to be ..
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 July 2020 18: 50
            -1
            Quote: Dikson
            I read about a case when a plane was shot down from a 120mm mortar .. The clerk seems to be ..

            During that war, the case was not rare, especially with our Il-2
      2. Imperial Technocrat
        Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 21
        0
        Hello, how will you hit a moving target without a seeker? The point does not have it, Iska has it
      3. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 28 July 2020 09: 59
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Accuracy is quite enough for her KBCh to cover a detachment, and even a single ship
        As long as the rocket reaches, the ships will sail a couple of kilometers. And the cassette warhead has a lesion area of ​​only 3-7 hectares, this is a circle with a diameter of 200-300 meters
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 27 July 2020 17: 39
      0
      It's simple. The dagger developed on the basis of Iskander was just positioned as an anti-ship, which means it has a new guidance system. So why not implement it on Iskander's progenitor? She's already there. At the same time, modernize the complex. The advantage of Iskander over the DBK is its trajectory and speed, it is more difficult to shoot it down than even Bastion, not to mention the Bal.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 27 July 2020 17: 46
        -2
        Quote: URAL72
        It's simple. The dagger developed on the basis of Iskander was just positioned as an anti-ship, which means it has a new guidance system. So why not implement it on Iskander's progenitor? She's already there. At the same time, modernize the complex. The advantage of Iskander over the DBK is its trajectory and speed, it is more difficult to shoot it down than even Bastion, not to mention the Bal.

        "Balls" and "Bastions" hit the ships not with single missiles, but with salvo, plus they competently choose the trajectory of approach to the target, so that it is easier or not simpler a moot point. But if Iskander is able to perform the function of the DBK, then the DBK of the Iskander function will definitely not be able to pull it off, so let the shoemaker, and not the pastry, wear the boots.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 27 July 2020 17: 54
          0
          You are wrong. In Syria, Bastion worked on the ground, he can. Ball subsonic rocket like Harpoon, Exocet, etc. This is a job for ZAK. How to shoot down Iskander? Aegis can, but with difficulty and not a fact. The Aegis missile is more expensive than Iskander, and one cannot do it. There are simply no other means in the fleet. Anyone.
          1. Imperial Technocrat
            Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 26
            0
            Aegis can't
        2. Imperial Technocrat
          Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 25
          0
          At the altitude that Iska flies, the US air defense is no longer working, and the missile defense is still not working. So far, Iska is invulnerable
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 27 July 2020 21: 31
            0
            Yah? Imagine that "Iska" needs to hit the target, he will do it without lowering? In the final section, his speed drops to 3M. It is very difficult to shoot down, but it is possible. Except for Aegis, there is nothing more on the ships.
            1. Imperial Technocrat
              Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 55
              0
              The decline occurs at the final stage, and is almost vertical. Aegis does not work under this degree - Iska flies into the dead zone

              Iskandner was specially sharpened under the weakness of the American missile defense
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 27 July 2020 22: 02
                -1
                Think wider. Or stop drinking. Americans, do not go raiders. They have a ship warrant. The width of such an order may be 200 km. There are dozens of ships. The target, yes, will not be defeated, but another ship, yes. They are in the joint air defense system. One can accompany the target, the other can shoot down. If there is an avik in the order, do not forget about Hawkeye.
                1. Imperial Technocrat
                  Imperial Technocrat 28 July 2020 16: 57
                  -1
                  Alkash, sleep it off, what orders? No Aegis from any angle works at the same altitude as Iskander flies. Teach materiel
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 July 2020 16: 53
    0
    What for? Will the Iskanders continue to use them as anti-missile defense systems? If this is an OTRK, that does not need to sculpt a station wagon out of it!
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 July 2020 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      If this is an OTRK, that does not need to sculpt a station wagon out of it!

      It is already "universal". And why is the ship a bad target for him?
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      What for? Will the Iskanders continue to use them as anti-missile defense systems? If this is an OTRK, that does not need to sculpt a station wagon out of it!


      This article is more like an information cover for the increase in the number of missile brigades. The GPV 2011-2020 provided only for the rearmament of 10 brigades from "Tochki" to "Iskander", and now we are talking about the formation of new brigades. This is logical given the current situation. Most likely, no one is going to use them against the landings, but such infa will go to divert eyes.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 July 2020 18: 30
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        The GPV 2011-2020 provided only for the rearmament of 10 brigades from "Tochki" to "Iskander"

        19.03.20/30/XNUMX "Izvesti" I published an interview with the Commander of the Southern Military District of the g / p A. Dvornikov, in which he said that the RV SV already had XNUMX missile brigades re-equipped with Iskander-M missiles with a full range of stealth missiles and onboard electronic warfare systems (overcoming PRO).
        The last - 464 RakBR, Znamensk, Astrakhan region.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 July 2020 19: 13
          -2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: 1976AG
          The GPV 2011-2020 provided only for the rearmament of 10 brigades from "Tochki" to "Iskander"

          19.03.20/30/XNUMX "Izvesti" I published an interview with the Commander of the Southern Military District of the g / p A. Dvornikov, in which he said that the RV SV already had XNUMX missile brigades re-equipped with Iskander-M missiles with a full range of stealth missiles and onboard electronic warfare systems (overcoming PRO).
          The last - 464 RakBR, Znamensk, Astrakhan region.


          I have not seen this information, but if so, then I am very happy about it, here the more - the better!
  • ancient
    ancient 27 July 2020 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    "Points" were used for this,

    Were "points" used when striking MANEUVER targets? belay
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 July 2020 18: 02
      -1
      Quote: ancient
      Were "points" used when striking MANEUVER targets?

      And for a cluster warhead, this is of great importance, given their density of the amphibious order, or you think that they will bring a single ship for our capture ...
      1. ancient
        ancient 27 July 2020 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        And for a cassette warhead, this has a strong meaning,

        For the BCCH, such a parameter as the effective scattering area is important ... this time.
        For what purposes is the BCCH used by the ASP is two, something I have not met, that would be balls, AO or PTABs ... on ships wassat
        Quote: svp67
        You think that they will bring a single ship for our capture.

        I believe that there are no strong idiots in the NATO Command ... that would even ... "try" to land somewhere on our coast.
        All expeditionary forces can be destroyed even at the loading points ... if it already comes to something serious wassat
        1. svp67
          svp67 27 July 2020 18: 22
          -1
          Quote: ancient
          I believe that there are no strong idiots in the NATO Command ... that would even ... "try" to land somewhere on our coast.

          But in vain, there are many places on the Pacific coast, including on the islands
          1. ancient
            ancient 27 July 2020 18: 31
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            But in vain, there are many places on the Pacific coast, including on the islands

            Do not engage in "fiction" ..... you think the Yankees have already forgotten about Pearl Harbor, and japa about Hiroshima and Nagasaki wassat ... and to fly to the entire West Coast of the United States ... ugh tongue and there are 3 naval base and 5 PB, and the continental part with the Atlantic coast ... is shot at once wassat
            1. svp67
              svp67 27 July 2020 18: 34
              -1
              Quote: ancient
              and japa about Hiroshima and Nagasaki

              The main thing is that they remember the four islands of the Kuril ridge, which they consider their
              Quote: ancient
              and there are 3 naval base and 5 PB, and the continental part with the Atlantic coast ... is shot at once

              Knowing how many naval bases and bases they have in other countries, this does not reassure
              Quote: ancient
              think the Yankees have forgotten about Pearl Harbor

              Do we have the strength and means to arrange it again, without the use of nuclear weapons?
              1. ancient
                ancient 27 July 2020 18: 38
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                The main thing is that they remember the four islands of the Kuril ridge, which they consider their

                That's it ... I have lost interest in talking with you ... I am not engaged in "childhood" hi ... or were you not taught that .. "want and ... be able" ... are a priori different actions? wink
                1. svp67
                  svp67 27 July 2020 18: 41
                  -2
                  Quote: ancient
                  I don’t do my childhood

                  Although you are "ancient", but worse than a "child" ....
                  Quote: ancient
                  ... or were you not taught that .. "want and ... be able" ... are a priori different actions?
                  Read about the "global missile strike"
                  Chao ...
              2. Imperial Technocrat
                Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 27
                0
                Do we have the strength and means to arrange it again, without the use of nuclear weapons?

                Yes
    2. ancient
      ancient 27 July 2020 18: 23
      +4
      Quote: ancient
      when striking MANEUVER targets?
      I seem to have asked a SPECIFIC question, and you answered on the basis of ... "myself"? wassat
      Well, very indicative ... you probably got pleasure? wink
  • EnGenius
    EnGenius 27 July 2020 18: 47
    -1
    Iskander-M, it seems, should have been equipped with a Dagger homing head, so that it is capable of hitting moving targets, and not just launching at the desired coordinates.
  • stels_07
    stels_07 27 July 2020 21: 38
    0
    We would have a medium-range ballistic missile like the Chinese for sea targets
  • 5-9
    5-9 27 July 2020 15: 55
    +4
    More Iskander good and different! Preferably with special warheads
  • Souchastnik
    Souchastnik 27 July 2020 15: 58
    0
    Well, it's clear from the landing on the shore. What about the enemy ships? While at anchor? Or homing heads attached?
    1. Imperial Technocrat
      Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 16: 01
      0
      From the very beginning there were and are optical guidance heads. Just like on the Dagger
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: Souchastnik
      Well, it's clear from the landing on the shore. What about the enemy ships? While at anchor? Or homing heads attached?


      Isn't it too fat on the Iskander landing?
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 27 July 2020 16: 06
        +3
        Isn't it too fat on the Iskander landing?

        Let's leave to define goals and assess effectiveness to rocket specialists. But there are situations when it is necessary to use any available means.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 27 July 2020 16: 14
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          Quote: Souchastnik
          Isn't it too fat on the Iskander landing?

          Let's leave to define goals and assess effectiveness to rocket specialists. But there are situations when it is necessary to use any available means.

          Then the air defense personnel should be involved in this.
        2. Dzot
          Dzot 27 July 2020 16: 14
          -3
          Quote: Souchastnik
          Let's leave to define goals and assess effectiveness to rocket specialists. But there are situations when it is necessary to use any available means.

          Exactly ! Anything can happen, with such threats to Russia from all sides in the current trash situation in the mine. hi
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 27 July 2020 16: 48
      -1
      Quote: Souchastnik
      Well, it's clear from the landing on the shore. What about the enemy ships? While at anchor? Or homing heads attached?


      New GOS were attached.
      The servicemen of the missile formations began training to destroy surface ships. The first exercises were held in the Southern Military District. Until now, the Iskander-M missile systems (RK) have not been able to effectively engage moving targets. According to experts, new types of homing heads - optical-electronic and radar - made it possible to expand combat capabilities. The ability of missile formations to destroy sea targets will make Russian shores impregnable.

      Units of the Orsha Guards Missile Brigade of the Southern Military District conducted tactical exercises with launches, including electronic, of Iskander-M missiles, Izvestia was told by the Defense Ministry. All training tasks have been completed, added in the department.

      The past maneuvers are the first experience of Russian missile forces in the fight against naval targets. Until now, it was believed that the Iskander-M missile system could effectively engage only stationary targets. The fact is that the rocket was aimed not at a specific target, but at a point on the ground and flew along the given coordinates. Such a warhead can be guaranteed to destroy a headquarters, an ammunition depot or a missile silo. However, the system was not effective against ships, like other mobile objects.

      Successful launches against naval targets in southern Russia may indicate that homing systems are entering the missile forces, said military expert Dmitry Kornev. Apparently, we are talking about optoelectronic and radar systems. In the first case, a visual image of the object is loaded into the rocket software, for example, a photograph of a ship. Upon arrival, the rocket literally sees the target and compares it with the loaded picture, independently adjusting its course. The radar system compares the terrain with the specified one. An object protruding above the water surface with a certain size for a rocket is also a unique relief, which it compares with data obtained earlier by reconnaissance.


      https://iz.ru/775092/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/iskander-stal-morskim-ubiitcei
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 July 2020 18: 52
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      Quote: Souchastnik
      Well, it's clear from the landing on the shore. What about the enemy ships?

      The guidance system is mixed: inertial (INS) in the initial and middle flight phases and optical (OGSN) in the final flight segment, hitting accuracy 5-7 m. It is possible to use GLONASS in addition to the INS. There are several modifications of the missile, differing in the warhead and telemetry. Missiles in flight can receive new target coordinates by radio remotely, which allows you to hit moving targets (including ships).

      Optical GOS 9B918 manufactured by NPP "Radar mms" is infrared and allows you to find the coordinates of the target by landmarks on the ground even on a moonless night. The advantage of the optical seeker is its resistance to the enemy's use of electronic warfare equipment to suppress satellite navigation signals or radio commands.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 15: 59
    +2
    Iskander has the same optical homing head as Dagger - so Iskander has no problems with firing at moving sea targets (ships). Surprised that it's a secret for someone

    Another thing is that it is quite expensive to shoot Iskander at ships, and there are more long-range missiles (X-22, X-32, Dagger, soon Zircon, etc.), but in principle there is such an opportunity
  • Dikson
    Dikson 27 July 2020 16: 12
    -1
    This news is just a hint to the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Navy and other comrades who have recently been talking too much about the storming of Crimea .. Well, I also remembered something about the article about the lightning seizure of the Kuriles by the Japanese .... not in the horse feed ...
  • Well done
    Well done 27 July 2020 16: 14
    +3
    The article raised more questions than answers. (the same, judging by the comments)
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 July 2020 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: Welldone
      The article raised more questions than answers. (the same, judging by the comments)


      Well, the article itself was born on the basis of information from incomprehensible sources in the MO. Nobody knows what these sources are and whether they are competent.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 July 2020 16: 15
    +1
    The main thing is that the landing force would be smashed even at the quay wall, without giving a chance to go to sea.
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 27 July 2020 16: 21
      -1
      The main thing is that the landing force would be smashed at the quay

      Then they will say that bloodthirsty Russia again destroyed peaceful fishermen who planned to go out to sea to fish and swell laughing
  • Klingon
    Klingon 27 July 2020 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    Iskander has the same optical homing head as Dagger - so Iskander has no problems with firing at moving sea targets (ships). Surprised that it's a secret for someone

    Another thing is that it is quite expensive to shoot Iskander at ships, and there are more long-range missiles (X-22, X-32, Dagger, soon Zircon, etc.), but in principle there is such an opportunity

    theoretically: is it possible to throw Iskander at an aircraft carrier, perhaps?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 27 July 2020 16: 27
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    As for the ships, this is understandable, but for the landing, how? Especially when it crumbled, spread out over the squares?
    You can use it, but at first there is cheaper, more effective.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 27 July 2020 17: 34
      0
      Cassette warheads, of course, of which Iskaneder has 3 types ... Expensive, but it's not bad to have such an opportunity ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 July 2020 16: 29
    0
    And this means that a new rocket has appeared with a seeker and correction similar to the Dagger rocket
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 27 July 2020 16: 48
    +2
    Does Iskander know how to work with actively moving groups of ships?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 July 2020 17: 25
      -1
      Cases in the CU .... and in the GOS.
    2. Beby
      Beby 27 July 2020 18: 02
      0
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Does Iskander know how to work with actively moving groups of ships?
      If you use a ballistic missile with a SBC against the UDC, then I think that with normal target designation the UDC will be disabled, even with active maneuvering ... Well, at the same time, it will cripple all the small fry that will swim and spin around the UDC.
      Yes, using SBCs near your border is not a good idea, but the needs are different, especially in wartime.
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 27 July 2020 18: 50
        +1
        Quote: Beby
        If you use a ballistic missile

        Iskander's missile is not ballistic. It starts off as ballistic, but flies through the final section as if it were controlled. Therefore, its trajectory is called quasi-ballistic.
        1. Beby
          Beby 27 July 2020 19: 25
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          Thank you for clarification.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 27 July 2020 17: 36
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: 1976AG
    And it is easier, more logical and cheaper to build more DBKs.

    But this does not mean that only they should be used to destroy the enemy landing forces, especially since the Iskander will have more power. To strike with Iskander, upset the marching order, and then finish off individual ships with Ballami and Bastion

    Or maybe Iskander strike a moving target? Who in the subject tell me.
  • Old26
    Old26 27 July 2020 18: 42
    +1
    OTRK deployed in the Kuban conducted electronic missile launches during a tactical exercise to repel the seizure of the Black Sea coast. During the firing, the OTRK crews conditionally destroyed the amphibious assault and military equipment landed on the shore from the ships.

    Quote: 1976AG
    And what is the need for this? Are we missing DBK? This is their job. Why sparrows from a cannon?

    There are not many of them. On the same Black Sea, EMNIP has only 2 brigades, and the coastline has a significant length

    Quote: svp67
    To strike with Iskander, upset the marching order, and then finish off individual ships with Ballami and Bastion

    Here is where the doubt. I understand that if the Iskander strike is carried out on ships releasing assault forces, that is, essentially stationary targets. But the order on the go - doubts about the expediency

    Quote: Prahlad
    They sent a lot to Libya, Syria, etc., So we close the holes with what we can

    And what, the brigades of the BRK on the same Black Sea have ceased to exist ??

    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    Tochka doesn't seem to have a seeker, but Iskander does. You can't walk around the ship from the Tochka. Is that standing))

    1. "Point" is gone. All brigades equipped with "Tochki" have already been rearmed with "Iskander"
    2. On the going ship "Iskander" is also not shy.

    Quote: URAL72
    It's simple. The dagger developed on the basis of Iskander was just positioned as an anti-ship, which means it has a new guidance system. So why not implement it on Iskander's progenitor? She's already there. At the same time, modernize the complex. The advantage of Iskander over the DBK is its trajectory and speed, it is more difficult to shoot it down than even Bastion, not to mention the Bal.

    Why is such a guidance system needed on an OTRK with an OFGCH or with a KBC? Now they want to raise a special case to the rank of "obligatory"?

    Quote: Imperial Technocrat
    From the very beginning there were and are optical guidance heads. Just like on the Dagger

    And what will this optical seeker on "Iskander" give when firing at the order of landing ships on the move ?? Do not forget that Iskander has an integral warhead

    Quote: viktor_ui
    Does Iskander know how to work with actively moving groups of ships?

    Of course no

    Quote: Zaurbek
    Cases in the CU .... and in the GOS.

    And the point is how far relative to the "point of fall" the ship will be, its speed and direction of movement
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 27 July 2020 19: 35
    -1
    Well, apparently, the Defense Ministry considered it necessary to involve the Iskandars to protect the country's coast. Nevertheless, we began to use missiles precisely with pinpoint strikes due to obtaining more accurate coordinates for their use.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 27 July 2020 19: 37
    -1
    well balanced decision
  • Kaw
    Kaw 27 July 2020 20: 47
    0
    As far as I understand, such missiles can only fire at stationary targets.
    1. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 28 July 2020 01: 58
      0
      No, depending on the modification, missiles can also hit moving targets (ships as well) by receiving new coordinates by radio.
  • Old26
    Old26 28 July 2020 01: 54
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    There used to be separate Tochk-U missile divisions in motorized rifle and tank divisions, I fully admit the return of these divisions to land formations, but armed with Iskander

    Now this does not exist and is unlikely to be planned. Missile formations were transferred to a brigade base.
    Iskander brigade as part of the army. The maximum that can happen, and the army deployed not 1, but 2 Iskander brigades

    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: 1976AG
    The GPV 2011-2020 provided only for the rearmament of 10 brigades from "Tochki" to "Iskander"

    19.03.20/30/XNUMX "Izvesti" I published an interview with the Commander of the Southern Military District of the g / p A. Dvornikov, in which he said that the RV SV already had XNUMX missile brigades re-equipped with Iskander-M missiles with a full range of stealth missiles and onboard electronic warfare systems (overcoming PRO).
    The last - 464 RakBR, Znamensk, Astrakhan region.

    I must disappoint you, Alexander, but the information in Izvestia is a linden-tree. I do not know who is guilty of this unfair information, it is hardly the commander of the Southern Military District. Most likely these are "kooks" of Izvestia itself. Indeed, the 464 missile brigade is the last to be deployed. But the point is that it is not THIRTY, Thirteenth connection with Iskander missiles.

    Below is a list of connections with Iskander OTRK (in order of re-equipment)

    1. 630th separate missile division of the 60th PPI (Znamensk), Kapustin Yar training ground;
    2. 26th Missile Brigade (Luga)
    3. 107th Missile Brigade (Birobidzhan)
    4st Guards Missile Brigade (Goryachy Klyuch)
    5th Guards Missile Brigade (Shuya)
    6.The 92nd Missile Brigade (Totskoye village)
    7rd Missile Brigade (Ulan-Ude)
    8. 12th Missile Brigade (Mozdok)
    9th Guards Missile Brigade (Ussuriysk)
    10. 119th Missile Brigade (Elansky town)
    11rd missile brigade (gt. Gorny / Chita 3)
    12. 152nd Guards Missile Brigade (Chernyakhovsk)
    13 rocket brigade (Znamensk)
    1. blackies
      blackies 28 July 2020 19: 10
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      Ministry of Defense:
      November - 17: development of the Iskander-M crew in the ZVO on the KapYar, training of the division. Until the end of 2017 - interceding on combat duty.
      February 4, 2018 - shooting at KapYar
      November 22, 2019 - handover of the Iskander-M brigade kit to the ZVO on the KapYar.
      13th set (464th brigade of the Southern Military District) transferred to the troops at the end of January 2020
      in the ZVO - "14th" set? or add. division into existing brigades?
      1. blackies
        blackies 28 July 2020 19: 13
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        maybe this is the 152nd brigade of Chernyakhovsk?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 July 2020 08: 54
    0
    Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) will be used to strike at amphibious assault forces and ships of a potential enemy
    adversary will not seem a little! good good good
  • blackies
    blackies 28 July 2020 18: 44
    0
    Iskanders "hit" naval targets in Syria back in 2016, and the 1st Guards brigade from Molkino - in 2018
  • Old26
    Old26 28 July 2020 20: 04
    +2
    Quote: Blackies
    maybe this is the 152nd brigade of Chernyakhovsk?

    Point 12 in my post. Chernyakhovskaya 52th brigade

    Quote: Blackies
    Iskanders "hit" naval targets in Syria back in 2016, and the 1st Guards brigade from Molkino - in 2018

    And what naval targets were in Syria?

    Quote: Laksamana Besar
    No, depending on the modification, missiles can also hit moving targets (ships as well) by receiving new coordinates by radio.

    One of the most common misconceptions. At one time it was planned that the Iskander complex should be part of the reconnaissance and strike complex (RUK). It was supposed to include a reconnaissance aircraft, an AWACS aircraft and, as a ground component, the Iskander complex.
    The AWACS aircraft directed the reconnaissance aircraft to the area of ​​a possible target, and the latter transmitted information to the PPI of the complex. The changes were made before the launch of the rockets. There were no radio transmissions of coordinates. As far as the flight task was entered by the PPI of the complex on the ground before the start.
    He, "Iskander" can hit mobile targets (ships) if they go at low speed or stand. At high speed, during the "fixation by the reconnaissance aircraft - transfer to the PPI of the complex - preparation and introduction of the missile defense system and its flight" the target can go beyond the capture zone of the seeker ...
  • Old26
    Old26 28 July 2020 21: 21
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    The Iskander-K is equipped with not only ballistic missiles, but also the "land" Caliber, which is an excellent means of engaging ships.

    In general, the "Caliber-K" complex does not exist in nature. This is an invention of journalists. There is (or rather was) the Iskander complex with the 9M723 ballistic missile and the Iskander-M complex, which is armed with not only 9M723-1 missiles, but also 9M728 cruise missiles.
    The land-based "Caliber" does not currently exist either. Perhaps in the future it will be on a car chassis, but not now. Moreover, it cannot be launched from the Iskander launcher. He simply won't fit into it. A little bit, but it won't fit.

    Quote: Charik
    so there are long-range PKR-Onyx, Caliber-winged-maybe they are unified for the Iskander launcher

    Not unified

    Quote: Charik
    Maximum target destruction range: 500 km Iskander-K (with the R-500 cruise missile up to 2500 km) -

    So the Americans rightly accused us of violating the INF Treaty ??? laughing