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The first batch of Su-35 fighters for Egypt took off from Komsomolsk-on-Amur

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The first batch of Su-35 fighters for Egypt took off from Komsomolsk-on-Amur

The first batch of Su-35 fighters for the Egyptian Air Force was assembled at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant. The fighters took off from the manufacturer's airfield and headed to the European part of Russia, from where they will be delivered to the customer. This is reported by the bmpd blog.


Photos of the first five Su-35 fighters built for the Egyptian Air Force appeared on the Web, which made a stopover at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport during a flight to the European part of Russia. As can be seen from the photographs, there are no identification marks on the planes, but the tail numbers on the keels are marked from 9210 to 9214. No official comments have been received from the Ministry of Defense regarding these aircraft.

Earlier it was reported that the deadline for the implementation of the agreement on the supply of SU-35 fighters may be shifted to the right in connection with the coronavirus pandemic.


Recall that in 2018, Russia and Egypt signed a contract for the supply of "over two dozen" (most likely 24) Su-35 fighters worth $ 2 billion. In addition to the aircraft themselves, the delivery includes aviation means of destruction for the Su-35. The details of the signed contract were not disclosed.


After receiving the first fighters, Egypt will become the second foreign buyer of the Su-35 after China, which received 24 aircraft in 2016-2018. Indonesia, which has signed a contract for the supply of 35 aircraft, may become another state that has received the Su-11 fighters. However, the contract is still in a "frozen" state. There is also information that Algeria ordered 2019 Su-14 fighters in 35, but it has not yet received official confirmation.
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 23 July 2020 12: 41
    16
    It's nice to win the competition, especially from an unfair competitor. Interestingly, Algeria has not changed its mind to take the 57e? And by the way, about Indonesia. Rumors are that the country's defense ministry is negotiating Typhoons.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 July 2020 13: 11
      +5
      If we are talking about Eurofaters, then no. Indonesia and Malaysia suddenly became friends together against the EU. They are trying to answer together, they pushed the Europeans out of all the tenders. Planes, even if the military department writes a submission, politicians will not let you buy.

      But, only the national treasure has been twisted, the divine palm oil is now very difficult to sell in the EU with new rules.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 July 2020 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        But after all, only the national treasure has been twisted, the divine palm oil is now very difficult to sell in the EU with new rules

        Do you know for sure that Indonesia pays exclusively with palm oil with all trading partners?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 23 July 2020 14: 20
          +3
          Not just oil. Here's a read.
          https://ria.ru/20170807/1499896539.html
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 23 July 2020 14: 37
          0
          For Indonesia, it is like oil and gas for Russia. Not 95%, but if sanctions are introduced, then it is noticeable.

          Indonesia may impose a ban on European exports in response to the EU tightening restrictions on the use of palm oil in biofuel production.

          The country is considering the possibility restrictions on the purchase of goods in the European Union as a step to protect the interests of nearly 20 million people, said Indonesian Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs Luhut Panjayitan.

          The Minister made it clear that Indonesia can boycott European planes, according to Bloomberg.

          Indonesia Filed WTO Complaint Against EU For Banning Palm Oil
          Indonesia's Ministry of Commerce announced that it had filed a complaint with the World Trade Organization (WTO) against the European authorities' decision to ban the use of palm oil-based biofuels in the EU.

          Malaysia followed:
          Malaysia wants cancel purchases of European fighters due to the EU's refusal of palm oil
          Malaysia may refuse to purchase European fighters in favor of Chinese counterparts, said Prime Minister of the country Mahathir Mohamad... Thus, Kuala Lumpur is going to respond to the European Union, which plans to abandon the import of palm oil.

          "If a The EU will not buy our palm oil, then in return we will refuse their products"- said the Malaysian prime minister (quoted by New Straits Times). “I think Chinese technology is superior to Western technology,” he added.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 23 July 2020 15: 41
            +6
            For Indonesia, it is like oil and gas for Russia. Not 95%,

            And in Russia, oil and gas 95% of exports? Or is it 35%? And it continues to shrink ...
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 23 July 2020 15: 47
              +3
              Well, I wrote, for them it is a very painful and significant source of money (not 95% like the oil monarchies, but essentially, like in Russia).
          2. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 23 July 2020 16: 08
            -1
            Kind Donavi. The Europeans do not want to add a palm tree to the fuel, they pour sour cream and cheese into our milk without shame. But ours will not ban it.
            1. your1970
              your1970 23 July 2020 22: 21
              0
              If you served in SA, then you ate a palm tree three times a day ... It was called kombihir ..... And for the citizens it went as part of margarine ...
              There are numbers on the network - that the import of palm trees in the USSR was comparable to the current volumes
              It was the palm tree that received payments on loans from socialist countries from Africa and Asia.
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 24 July 2020 08: 25
                0
                Good Sergei. If you look at the numbers, then in the Russian Federation they import a palm tree at the level of delivery to the whole USSR, plus a double bass. Where did you see cheese, cottage cheese and plastic yogurt in the Union? At least they didn’t give her milk. Let's not touch the army, we were digesting nails there (now it's not that health and we are feeding the children)
                1. your1970
                  your1970 24 July 2020 18: 59
                  +1
                  All pastries, cakes (obligatory "pies" at school) were on margarine - the purest palm tree.
                  Cheese - there were 2 varieties - Russian and Dutch, the recipe is unknown. Yogurt? And who / what is this ??? There was no such product in the USSR ..
                  The biggest steal at our butter factory in the USSR is 6 tons of butter at a time. I got out after 3 years ... Than the plan
                  then blocked ??? I'm not a technologist, I don't know ...
                  Our Raipov bottling workshop was closed after two months - mice in lemonade in bottles ... They weren't just washed, they were poured like that ...
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 23 July 2020 14: 05
        0
        You can. However, is the Ministry of Defense self-righteous? Yes, and asks the same bush, from the Austrians.
  2. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 23 July 2020 12: 44
    +4
    Quote: newbie
    It's nice to win the competition, especially from an unfair competitor.

    Even more pleasant is that by selling "to someone" we will actually buy for ourselves!
  3. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 23 July 2020 12: 48
    +9
    The first five flew! Egypt just needs them now!
    1. Serpet
      Serpet 23 July 2020 12: 52
      15
      It is unlikely that Egypt will throw them into battle right now. But in any case, to raise the morale in the army, such a replenishment will have a positive effect. And very timely.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 July 2020 12: 52
      +9
      Quote: Vlad Malkin
      The first five flew! Egypt just needs them now!

      Yes, quite by the way ...
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 23 July 2020 14: 26
        +2
        So there is not only Turkey, there and Algeria threatened to sign against Egypt.
  4. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 23 July 2020 12: 53
    +2
    That's exactly what I meant!
    1. Serpet
      Serpet 23 July 2020 12: 56
      12
      Quote: Vlad Malkin
      That's exactly what I meant!

      hi drinks
  5. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 23 July 2020 12: 55
    0
    After all, while the pilots are trained, the planes fly around - it will take a lot of time!
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 July 2020 18: 59
      +4
      Quote: Vlad Malkin
      while the pilots learn

      It seems to me that pilots should be retrained for new aircraft before receiving them. After receiving - experience is accumulated.
      1. Bulgarian
        Bulgarian 24 July 2020 09: 04
        0
        This is exactly what they do
  6. Karaul73
    Karaul73 23 July 2020 13: 02
    +1
    Quote: Vlad Malkin
    The first five flew! Egypt just needs them now!

    It would be nice to quickly learn the tactics of Egyptian pilots in combat tactics on the Su-35. Indeed, in the near future, a meeting with the F-16 of Turkey in the skies of Libya is possible.
    1. Vlad Malkin
      Vlad Malkin 23 July 2020 13: 08
      +2
      Karaul73 (Sergey)

      I think there is someone to teach!
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 23 July 2020 23: 00
        0
        - Indeed, it would be necessary to help As-Sisi ... wink lol
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 13: 51
      +2
      Turkey does not have a border with Libya, if it throws something there, and Egypt fits in, then Turkish planes will not survive there. It's another matter if Algeria gets in from the opposite side, then yes. Here training and the availability of machines will definitely be needed.
  7. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 23 July 2020 13: 02
    10 th
    Egypt has a well-armed army, even better than the Algerian one, on a par with the Turkish, but the Turks are more disciplined
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 13: 13
      +3
      And it seems to me that the Egyptian army is better armed than the Turkish.
      Take, for example, aviation, Egypt has one and a half times more aircraft, and there is not only f16.
      1. Andrey Zhukov
        Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 13: 23
        -3
        F16 in ancient Egypt
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 23 July 2020 13: 43
          0
          And in Turkey, of course, everything is new, and how much will this affect the performance of the same tasks? In Egypt, there are 48 new flashes, now there are drying rafali, if I'm not mistaken.
          1. Andrey Zhukov
            Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 13: 58
            -5
            In Egypt, f16 is all junk. The newest of them are 20 years old. But mostly 40-year-old f16 + old mirages. Rafaley 24 + 15 mi29m. The rest is ancient rubbish.
            In Turkey, only new f16 block 50 more than all fighters in Egypt ...
            These are air forces incomparable in strength
            Turkish times 2 times stronger
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 23 July 2020 14: 01
              +1
              In Egypt, 300 fighters are in service with Turkey 200.
              1. Andrey Zhukov
                Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 14: 27
                -2
                Lies!
                There are almost 350 fighters in service in Turkey. 70% of them are new f16 block 50/50 +
                In Egypt, there will not be even fifty new fighters. For the Egyptian F16, spare parts and weapons have not been supplied for more than 10 years. It's just iron rubbish in hangars.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 15: 16
                  +4
                  What about the non-delivery of spare parts and iron junk, the link will be? And so I counted yes Mirages-2000, Rafale and MiG-29 about 50-60 boards.

                  Now further over the past year, after the repression of Erdogan, the Turkish Air Force (F-16) was provided with flight personnel by about 30-40 percent
                  1. Andrey Zhukov
                    Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 15: 33
                    -3
                    The last deliveries were still under Mubarak. After the revolution, Egypt was sanctioned by amers. And nothing is supplied there at all.
                    It is not because of the good life that Egypt rearms its air force with our aircraft.
                    Mirages are not like the new f16.
                    After the repressions in Turkey, the pilots got better. Time goes by.
                    So the deal is 70 to 30 in favor of Turkey.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 21: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                      After the repressions in Turkey, the pilots got better

                      Actually, it's worse ... It's good if the pilots are on half the sides ...

                      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                      So the deal is 70 to 30 in favor of Turkey.

                      In general, unlike the Turks, Egypt has the experience of at least some kind of modern war. And anyway, they fought with the best - the Israeli Air Force. The Turks have nothing like this ...

                      And at least 50% of the cash F-16 they have on the wing, albeit due to the dismantling of the remaining sides. So the forces are comparable .......
                      1. Andrey Zhukov
                        Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 21: 22
                        -2
                        Those who fought with Israel are now raising their grandchildren in retirement, not flying
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 21: 23
                        +1
                        Lessons learned. Turks simply have nothing to learn. From the word in general
              2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 July 2020 19: 31
                +4
                Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                Lies!

                There should be a colon instead of an exclamation mark.

                Egypt.
                24 Raphael
                17 mirages 2000 (produced by himself under license)
                60 mirages 5
                220 f-16 block 40
                41 turkish f-16
                29 phantoms
                40 minutes 21
                30 chinese flashes 21
                at least 14 minutes 29 (deliveries are ongoing)
                5 su 35 (deliveries have just begun)

                Turkey
                4 f-35 (?)
                35 f-16 block 30
                225 f-16 block 50
                51 phantoms


                It seemed like they said that the F-16 was modernized to the block 50 of Turkey by Israel with some scandals. Seeing the above figures and given this fact, it cannot be said that the Turkish Air Force is stronger than the Egyptian Air Force. Rather the opposite.
                1. Andrey Zhukov
                  Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 19: 38
                  -3
                  I don’t know where these figures come from, but even according to them, if we subtract most of the ancient Egyptian f16 without spare parts and weapons, which are still on the hitch, there is a clear preponderance on the side of Turkey.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 July 2020 22: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
                    if you subtract most of the ancient Egyptian fights that are on the hook

                    Do you know that for sure? Or are you a gossip?
            2. mvg
              mvg 23 July 2020 21: 24
              -4
              Egypt has 300 fighters

              Read Vika less. There were 800+ planes in Ebipta during the Six Day War, so what ..?
          2. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 23 July 2020 14: 27
            +3
            The contract for 48 MIGs is due to end in 2020.
            1. Andrey Zhukov
              Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 15: 33
              -1
              The first delivery was in 2018
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 23 July 2020 19: 01
                +1
                In 2018 so what? Do I have to believe the military tsyferki balance about 14 aircraft? If there are still no planes, then this is a breakdown of the contract on a significant scale. I think now the stench would be in all the media.
                Since there is silence, I conclude that the contract is being executed, it may not have been completed yet, or there is a delay, but not significant.
                1. Andrey Zhukov
                  Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 19: 17
                  -1
                  Since there is silence, it means that it is not profitable for the parties to chat about supplies in the media. No one needs sanctions
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 23 July 2020 19: 28
                    +1
                    If there is a contract (which is not a secret), then there are supplies, this is obvious. We would like to avoid sanctions, but we would not say about the contract.
                    1. Andrey Zhukov
                      Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 19: 33
                      -1
                      Nobody officially confirmed the contract. Nothing more than rumors
                    2. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 20: 22
                      +1
                      Doesn't it count the presidential aide?
                      Here is an article in a Russian newspaper:
                      https://rg.ru/2017/09/12/rossiia-postavit-egiptu-50-istrebitelej-mig-29.html
                      By the way, judging by it, the deliveries have already begun, and the article is 2017.
                    3. Andrey Zhukov
                      Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 20: 28
                      -2
                      No exact quantity, no price. No confirmation from Egypt.
                      If such statements are to be believed, we have already sold su35 to Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam and Turkey.
                    4. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 22: 13
                      +1
                      Who should Egypt confirm to?
                      This is a commercial transaction, its fact could not be disclosed at all, nor the price or quantity.
                    5. Andrey Zhukov
                      Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 23: 31
                      -3
                      At press conferences, such socially significant events are announced.
                      For example, in India.
                    6. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 23: 58
                      +1
                      I don't know about India, do they have such a law?
                    7. Andrey Zhukov
                      Andrey Zhukov 24 July 2020 10: 22
                      -2
                      What does the law have to do with it?
                      This is normal practice in all countries. Except for sanctioned Russia.
                      Issue press releases, arrange press conferences, then cover facts and details of transactions in the media
          3. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 21: 09
            +1
            The other day the Su-35 in an atypical camouflage from Komsomolsk was driven
          4. Andrey Zhukov
            Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 21: 37
            -2
            In a flash the fog
          5. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 11: 15
            0
            Photos of MiG-29M2 in Egypt were ... How much fog they set. IMHO not less than 2/3.
  8. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 July 2020 22: 13
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Zhukov
    Sanctions

    Do you think that the US Congress gets information from the media?
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 24 July 2020 10: 23
      -2
      Not Congress, but the State Department. And yes, in PM from the media, when they really want to classify the deal
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 July 2020 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      Not Congress, but the State Department

      The decision on sanctions is carried out precisely through the Congress.

      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      And yes, in PM from the media

      In PM - it does not fit. You write that if the press did not write, it means that no one there knew anything. This characterizes your level of adequacy very well.
    3. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 24 July 2020 13: 26
      -2
      The law on sanctions has already been passed. The State Department applies it in every case.
      Any sources of information can be used to apply sanctions
    4. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 July 2020 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      Any sources of information can be used

      No, you clearly write that the lack of information in the media is the reason for the absence of sanctions. This means that only the media are used.

      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      The law on sanctions has already been passed.

      Seriously? Law on sanctions for Russian arms supplies to Egypt?
    5. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 24 July 2020 16: 34
      0
      I wrote about any sources.
      And yet, come down from heaven to earth! Rosoboronexport and the entire military-industrial complex have been under sanctions under US law for many years. Anyone who buys weapons from us is at risk. Whether or not sanctions are applied in each specific case is decided by the State Department.
    6. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 July 2020 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      wrote about any sources

      Of course not. You have written:
      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      it is unprofitable to pop in the media about supplies. No one needs sanctions

      Moving on.
      Quote: Andrey Zhukov
      under US sanctions for many years. Anyone who buys weapons from us at risk

      Can you give a link to this "law"? Oh, I forgot - you're a gossip girl.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 23 July 2020 17: 03
    -9
    As for cruise missiles, UAVs, tanks, armored cars, Turkey is ahead here, Turkey's special forces are better, the Airborne Forces are generally excellent
    Mirage-2000, Rafal then yes, a smut for the Turks
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 July 2020 19: 38
      +5
      Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
      Turkey's special forces are better

      With the planes did not work out, flooded other nonsense.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 July 2020 14: 16
    +3
    Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
    Egypt has a well-armed army

    The main thing is who controls these weapons. Once upon a time, the USSR saturated the Egyptian army not only with weapons, but also with military experts. As a result, these weapons later ended up as trophies for the Jews. I saw how if during a combat alert coincided with the time of their prayer, then they threw everything, knelt on the cloak with their muzzle in one direction (apparently Mecca) and they did not care
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 14: 21
      +4
      With the Turks, they will agree on namaz, brothers in faith.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 July 2020 14: 28
        +1
        Quote: Herman 4223
        With the Turks, they will agree on namaz, brothers in faith.

        I had nothing to do with the Turks, but it seems to me that the Ottomans are not as religious fanatics as the Egyptians. request
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 July 2020 15: 17
          +5
          Quote: Piramidon
          I had nothing to do with the Turks, but it seems to me that the Ottomans are not as religious fanatics as the Egyptians.

          EMNIMS, in Turkey the army has always been a pillar of the secular state and a counterweight to the Islamists. True, under Sultan Erdogan, the army began to be cleansed and slowly Islamized.
      2. Bodipancher
        Bodipancher 23 July 2020 15: 24
        +3
        Kemal Ataturk at one time included pork in the diet of the Turkish military in order to erase the spirit of Islamism from there.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 July 2020 17: 10
          +2
          Quote: Bodypuncher
          Kemal Ataturk at one time included pork in the diet of the Turkish military in order to erase the spirit of Islamism from there.

          By the way, at the expense of Muslims and pork. I have lived in Grozny for many years. I had friends of all nationalities there, including Chechens and Ingush. During my next vacation, I got together with the Chechens, marked themselves with VODKA, ate a sausage of the "amateur" type, in which pieces of bacon (not lamb fat) were clearly visible. To the teasing question - "how do you eat this, because Allah can be displeased?" followed by a quite reasonable answer: "We are sitting under the roof (in the gazebo) and he does not see us." That's when I realized that all this religious show off, purely for the public. hi
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  • Soko
    Soko 23 July 2020 13: 06
    10
    Expanding exports is good. And don't forget yourself.
  • ved_med12
    ved_med12 23 July 2020 13: 06
    +1
    Interesting, but the sea would not be easier,
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 23 July 2020 13: 35
      +1
      Easier. But now Egypt needs them yesterday.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 July 2020 14: 30
      -1
      Quote: ved_med12
      Interesting, but the sea would not be easier,

      How will they be delivered? It is not clear from the article.
  • Charik
    Charik 23 July 2020 13: 07
    0
    Maybe it was one of them - a couple of days ago, flew near Voronezh
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 23 July 2020 13: 09
    +1
    The Egyptian Air Force is becoming the strongest in the region, the main thing is that they do not get into Libya ahead of time, otherwise the sanctions will trample, and we will not have time to drive them planes.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2020 19: 22
      +2
      Quote: Herman 4223
      the main thing is that they do not get into Libya ahead of time, otherwise the sanctions will trample, and we will not have time to drive them planes.

      What are the sanctions? Erdogan got everyone by his actions in Libya, and not only. Trump is definitely not his friend, neither is Europe. Israel is almost the enemy. With many Arabs he also has graters. So if Egypt cleans up all the places that can be polished for the Turks, many will, if not openly applaud, then quietly smile into the mask from the virus. bully
      Another thing is that too much should not be expected from Egypt. Arabs are so Arabs. However, the Turks are still those warriors, so we will look at this matter.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 23 July 2020 20: 08
        +1
        One does not interfere with the other. Sanctions can be slapped to take the correct honey, American production.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 13: 36
    0
    Egypt is the first in the Middle East, but after that will Algeria and Turkey buy the Su-35, which has a confrontation with Egypt.
    1. bar
      bar 23 July 2020 13: 53
      +1
      Where will they go? F-35 Erdogan broke off, will have to take other 35s yes
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2020 19: 13
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      will Algeria and Turkey buy the Su-35

      Is it worth selling to Erdogan? He is not a friend or a relative of the Russian Federation. Then he uses these 35s to destroy another SU-24 in Syria. Does anyone need a thread other than Erdogan himself?
      And the Greeks will be offended.
      1. Charik
        Charik 23 July 2020 19: 34
        +2
        hahaha-VVP to Erdog 57e offered - no what?
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 22: 18
      +1
      Algeria su-57 ordered.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 13: 51
    +7
    This is the second export contract for the Su-35. And we still have the naval IAP in Chkalovsk and the squadron in Belbek fly on the Su-27 not modernized. How shoud I understand this? At the same time, we give 8 Su-35s to the Russian Knights ...
    All this is wrong.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 23 July 2020 15: 05
      0
      Not personal, just business. Navar, broth again. What a Motherland ...
    2. ksan
      ksan 23 July 2020 15: 12
      13
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      At the same time, we give 8 Su-35s to the Russian Knights ...

      And what do you think "Knights" are clowns or wandering artists? By the way, they are frontline (combat) pilots, and one of the best. And they "act" on combat aircraft and in case of war they will participate in hostilities.
    3. mvg
      mvg 23 July 2020 21: 35
      -2
      already the second export contract

      Marketing geniuses, second contract in 6 years. 48 aircraft. At the same time, the Chinese obviously bought "aggressors" for the squadron. And no prospects for the miracle plane. Even Rafali entered the market after years of silence.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 23 July 2020 22: 25
        +2
        As for me it is really a genius, to sell a product on the market where the buyer is given good uncles for buying in your tent, you have to be able to do that.
        1. mvg
          mvg 23 July 2020 22: 53
          -3
          really geniuses

          How did the USSR trade in thousands? Now we are trading at the level of Sweden, with SAAB. Moreover, the price tag for heavy fighters is half that for the light Rafale or Typhoon. Maybe we should admit that the product is useless? What is only in the minds of the uryakalok "having no analogs"
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 23 July 2020 23: 47
            +1
            The USSR had a completely different geopolitical influence in the world.
            He pushed sotelites as well as the United States now. Russia has no such influence now.
            Nevertheless, our su-35 is being sold
            China -24;
            Egypt-24
            Algeria-14
            Indonesia-11 (contract stuck, but still)
            And then, and we only sell su-35? How many su-30s have been sold? Mig29?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 23: 57
              +1
              Quote: Herman 4223
              How many su-30s have been sold?


              Many, several hundred. The funny thing is, the direct analogue of the Su-27/30 F-15 is selling much worse.
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 23: 55
            +1
            Quote: mvg
            How did the USSR trade in thousands?

            The USSR did not trade. He gave, allegedly on credit. And in vain. Freebie corrupts.

            Quote: mvg
            Maybe we should admit that the product is useless? What is only in the minds of the uryakalok "having no analogs"


            You're not just illiterate ...
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 43
            -1
            No, just Rafale is expensive.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 July 2020 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      At the same time, we give 8 Su-35s to the Russian Knights ...

      Judging by the tone of your comment, "Russian Knights" are our enemies. fool
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 00: 00
        -1
        The fact that we have the most western IAPs flying on the unmodernized Su-27 passed you by? Yes, I think that the distribution of the Su-35 and Su-30SM to the Russian Knights is fundamentally wrong while we have regiments flying on the Su-27 unmodernized (KOR and Crimea), ancient MiG-29s in Eribuni in the Air Force.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 45
          +1
          EMNIP in Crimea have always been Su-27SM. From the moment of arrival. And the Su-30SM. Objectively, "Russian Knights" is still an elite unit.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 11: 09
            0
            Not. In Belbek a squadron on unmodernized Su-27
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 24 July 2020 10: 17
          -1
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Yes, I think the distribution of the Su-35 and Su-30SM in the Russian Knights is fundamentally wrong

          In case of some kind of trouble, "Russian Knights" will not be outside observers. Even before the Great Patriotic War (since 1934), we had aerobatic teams, which with the beginning of the war joined the Air Force and fought.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 11: 07
            0
            This is just fine - but I dare to remind once again the recreated 689 IAP in KOR flies on unmodernized Su-27 and several Su-27UB. There are about 18-20 boards in total.
            A third of the NSNF, including 2 newest SSBNs of Project 955 in Kamchatka, is covered by the IAE 317 mixed air regiment. And there are 12 MiG-31s, of which there are exactly 31 MiG-2BM ships.
            I will continue. The Northern Fleet is slightly better, but better covered. But as part of the 38th IAP in the Crimea, a squadron of Su-27 unmodernized is still flying. That's all right, but that's the question, and the Su-27SM is in fact not much better, and there are about 50 more aircraft in the Air Force.
            And now, after all of the above, 16 brand new fighters are given for show.
    5. EvilLion
      EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 41
      +1
      An export contract is money. In currency.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 July 2020 14: 08
    -1
    Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
    Turks are more disciplined

    About 6-8 years ago, I flew from Hurghada, and while we were sitting at the airport, right above the aircraft parking for passengers, almost over their heads, the Egyptian MiG-21 flew twice with a deafening roar. Perhaps they were two different planes. But the fact of air hooliganism is obvious, something that cannot be imagined in Turkey.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 July 2020 14: 37
      +3
      Quote: 16112014nk
      But the fact of air hooliganism is obvious.

      Do you know what mission the pilots had?
      flew twice with a deafening crash

      Exhaust pipe burnt out laughing Is it normal that all jet planes fly quietly?
      It is impossible to imagine this in Turkey.

      You talk like a native of "Turetchina" who knows exactly what is possible and what is not in his country lol
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2020 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      the Egyptian MiG-21 flew by with a deafening roar. ... the fact of air hooliganism is obvious.
      Come on, flew and flew. Think better, what would it be if he decided to overcome the sound barrier. bully And what, it would be with them, since the technology allows.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 22: 31
      0
      Somehow I was resting in Gelendzhik, over the water park our swifts from the knight staged such an air show that the person standing next to him could not be heard.
      Our pilots are still those hooligans.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 47
        +1
        A military pilot is a person who, in order to fly, agreed to live behind a fence in a barracks, such people are always frostbitten in what they get high on.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 14: 33
    +3
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    This is the second export contract for the Su-35. And we still have the naval IAP in Chkalovsk and the squadron in Belbek fly on the Su-27 not modernized. How shoud I understand this? At the same time, we give 8 Su-35s to the Russian Knights ...
    All this is wrong.

    It's good to be healthy and wealthy. When there are limited resources, priority decisions are made.
    If you or I were the president, the decision might have been different.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 14: 35
    +2
    Quote: Herman 4223
    The Egyptian Air Force is becoming the strongest in the region, the main thing is that they do not get into Libya ahead of time, otherwise the sanctions will trample, and we will not have time to drive them planes.

    There is a possibility of a clash between the Algerian Su-30 and Egyptian Su-35 and MiG-29.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 July 2020 22: 46
      +1
      The Egyptian Air Force has several times superiority in the number of aircraft, there are AWACS aircraft. In theory, Egypt should win the battle.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: Essex62
    Not personal, just business. Navar, broth again. What a Motherland ...


    This is a simplified view. In addition to the receipt of currency, there is also an increase in influence in the region.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 23 July 2020 19: 03
    -1
    And what do they overtake under their own power? Well, until they reach Egypt, how much motor resource will they eat? With all due respect to the Russian engine builders (the same Chinese before them as from Beijing to the border of the Russian Federation in the knee-elbow position), the motor resource is still considered in hours, not years.
    1. Andrey Zhukov
      Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 19: 19
      0
      10 hours to the European part of Russia, from there by ruslans
      1. Charik
        Charik 23 July 2020 19: 31
        +1
        and from the Europarts of the Russian Federation, it seems closer to Egypt than from Dalvostok, which means on the contrary it would be more convenient from the East to Rusika and from here on its own?
      2. ved_med12
        ved_med12 23 July 2020 19: 39
        -2
        are you joking? How???? drying will fit into Ruslan? for spare parts?
        1. Andrey Zhukov
          Andrey Zhukov 23 July 2020 19: 40
          0
          laughing And what do you think?
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 48
          0
          The planes are removed and loaded. Re-assembled on site. The Irkutsk Ruslan, which fell on the city, was carrying 2 Su-30s to the Vietnamese.
    2. lucul
      lucul 23 July 2020 19: 23
      +2
      they all count the motor resource in hours, not years.

      The service life of the Su-35 is decently higher than that of the early Su-27 and MiG-29. At a subsonic speed of 20 hours.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 21: 15
        0
        4000 motor resource Al-41
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 24 July 2020 08: 50
        0
        This is not the question, military aircraft themselves rarely fly somewhere, all the same it is necessary to put a civilian escort to them.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 11: 12
          -1
          There is not a civilian at all, but as a rule, a board of 8 ODONs is the leader. See the flights of our aircraft to Syria and vice versa.
  • Charik
    Charik 23 July 2020 19: 28
    +3
    And today again, perhaps one of them was spinning near Voronezh, but for what the stupid horse put me a minus, I don't know
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 July 2020 23: 12
    0
    And why is Algeria against Egypt, like there and there Masulman. What is the reason. Algeria is also very well armed, Or kamuto need the parties to fight for Libyan oil, to the last Arab. request
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 July 2020 07: 51
      0
      Ukraine and Russia are even closer ethnically ...
  • venaly
    venaly 24 July 2020 01: 57
    0
    Let's hope that the crisis in America will deepen and the influence at the international level will be weakened, although we know how the wounded animal behaves. But if it comes to territorial squabbles, everything can change.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 July 2020 07: 50
    0
    Can be distilled with landing in Turkey. potential clients are Turkey and Algeria. If Egypt gets the Su35S, it will have to move.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 24 July 2020 07: 57
      0
      Good morning joke about planes for Egypt. laughing