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German exhibition dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Potsdam conference. Why is Russia not participating?

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Exposition at the Cecilienhof Palace. Potsdam, summer 2020. Source: dw.com


Reputational loss


Cecilienhof received Stalin, Churchill and Truman in 1945. Since June 23, the thematic exhibition "The 1945 Potsdam Conference: A New World Order" has been working there. In total, in Potsdam, the organizers managed to collect 133 items representing historical value, from a dozen countries. Initially, artifacts from the Russian Victory Museum, the Historical Museum and the Central Museum of the Armed Forces were to appear among the exhibits. According to the aide to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky, it was planned to send Stalin's personal belongings, the uniform of the conference participants, technical equipment, documents and household items to Potsdam. We even signed a corresponding agreement. But when Russian historians prudently familiarized themselves with the contents of the signatures to the exhibits and the commentaries of the audio guides, the entire exhibition was recalled back to Moscow. As has often happened recently, the collective West and Russia view historical events and figures 75 years ago differently. The German side simply refused to use the signatures and comments offered by Russian museum workers in the exhibition. What are the contradictions?


In this photo, Winston Churchill is still in Potsdam. Source: albercul.livejournal.com

First of all, in assessing the personality of Joseph Stalin. German researchers quite unequivocally equate his rule with tyranny, in fact, putting him on a par with Hitler. According to the curator of the exhibition, Jurgen Lu, historians are free to interpret certain events, and no one can point them out. In keeping with this "free" Western ideology, two equally abhorrent totalitarian powers clashed in World War II. One of them was successfully crushed in 1945, and the second was pressed in every possible way until the beginning of the 90s.

The organizers of the exhibition were also not satisfied with the comments of the Russian side regarding the reasons for the end of the war with Japan. The Germans insist that the victory was achieved exclusively at the expense of weapons mass destruction (the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and Russia - that thanks to the land operation of the Red Army. Jurgen Lu says:

"The Russian point of view has a right to exist, but it does not quite correspond to reality."

In keeping with old European slogans, historians from Potsdam explicitly reject the decisive importance of the Soviet Union in the victory over Nazism. Choosing an expression carefully, they talk about the great importance of the Red Army in the war. In ten years, I think, we will talk about a great or significant value, and after some time - about a considerable contribution. As a result, the Germans will tell with a blue eye about the decisive and unconditional contribution of the Americans to the victory. And there is no nagging about the wording or verbal phrases. In such a delicate and sensitive sphere of historical memory, any semitones in the description are unacceptable - behind them are millions of human lives.


Great Britain was represented by the new Prime Minister Clement Attlee on July 26, 1945 in Potsdam. Source: waralbum.ru

Even during an interview with Deutsche Welle, Jurgen Lu contradicts himself. First, he speaks of a divergence with his Russian colleagues in assessing the role of Stalin (the Germans called him a dictator and a tyrant), and later on "absolutely neutral and correct formulations." For example, you can hear this about Stalin in the audio guide:

"Stalin was the only ruler and secured his power with the support of the secret police."

The Ministry of Culture has protested against the definition of "secret police", but apparently the Germans are better versed in this area. At the same time, the organizers of the exhibition, of course, are upset by the lack of valuable exhibits from Russia. In particular, Stalin's tunic will not be in the Cecilienhof. There will be no part of Truman's personal belongings. This, however, is not an American protest: the United States is satisfied with everything in the new interpretation of the events of 75 years ago. There was simply no money to transport the American leader's straw hat across the ocean.

Visitors to the exhibitions will come out in full confidence that what they saw is the collective opinion of the victor countries of Nazi Germany. After all, it was here that 75 years ago the three leaders agreed on a post-war world order. And now Europe is emerging from the coronavirus epidemic, people are afraid of mass gatherings, and this raises questions about the payback of the exhibition, which has already been postponed for a month and a half. Maybe the excitement around the Russian protest will help the Germans attract new visitors?

The exposition in Potsdam, in the opinion of Russian historians, is a tracing of the system of views on the outcome of the war established in Europe. The Soviet Union is traditionally blamed for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, naturally renamed the Stalin-Hitler Pact. They do not forget about the myths about the mass rapes of German women by the Red Army. The Holocaust is actually brought out by the organizers as the only crime of the Hitler regime, and the genocide of the peoples of the USSR is kept silent.

As a result, it is difficult to disagree with the words of Vladimir Medinsky regarding the forced Russian boycott:

"So that later visitors to this exhibition do not point fingers at the wrong signatures and listen to an unreliable audio guide about the work of the Soviet delegation and about the work of the Potsdam Conference in general."


West against Yalta and Potsdam


The results of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences haunt the enlightened West for a long time. Several American remarks on this matter. Henry Kissinger:

"Yalta has become a symbol of shame in terms of shaping the image of the post-war world."


George W. Bush:

"No more Munichs and no more Yalts."

In 2005, in Riga, he called the results of these conferences "treacherous".

At the same time, everyone forgets that the main result of the Potsdam Conference was long-term peace in Europe and the creation of the United Nations with the Security Council. The role of the Soviet Union in this matter was one of the decisive ones. How long did peace last after the Treaty of Versailles of 1919?


Cecilienhof Palace after restoration. Source: spsg.de

It must be said that such rhetoric appeared in Europe and the United States only in the late 80s. First, the generation of those who remembered the merits of the Soviet Union in the fight against Nazism gradually passed away. They would surely shut the mouths of modern free historians, whose opinion does not depend on any government in the world. And secondly, the socialist system collapsed, the USSR became weaker, which means that it became easier and simpler to form a “special view” of the results of the war. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, a new, "NATO-centric" security system emerged, which neither Yalta nor Potsdam categorically suited. At the same time, the selective justice of the Europeans is evident. On the one hand, Poland unexpectedly demands reparations from Russia for its many years of occupation. Let us remind you that this very "occupation" was approved following the results of Yalta and Potsdam in 1945. On the other hand, the Poles do not even hint at the return of vast territories to Germany, which were transferred to the country by the decision of the same conferences. By the way, at the anniversary exhibition in Potsdam there is not a word about how the Poles enthusiastically expelled the Germans from the "returned lands". This is exclusively blamed on Moscow! As well as in the cruelties that the Czechs allowed themselves against the Sudeten Germans.




Cecilienhof Hall in 2020 and 1945. Source: spsg.de

Against this background, the Russian leadership took, perhaps, the only right step: on July 17, an alternative exhibition dedicated to Potsdam 1945 opens at the Victory Museum on Poklonnaya Gora. The funds of the museum exhibit about 40 historical artifacts that are directly related to the events of 75 years ago. Alexey Shkolnik, director of the museum, notes in this regard:

“The exhibition about the Potsdam Conference, I think, is very relevant for today, it surprisingly resonates with many topical problems of the modern world. First of all, it reminds everyone who does not abandon attempts to reconsider the results of World War II that the victorious countries here adopted final, non-contested decisions on punishing those responsible for unleashing the war and banned Nazism in all its forms and manifestations. In addition, it gives all of us a convincing example of how it is possible, being ideological and geopolitical opponents, to jointly solve world problems in the interests of their countries and the whole world. "

The Moscow exposition will stay in the museum until August 10, but it will be possible to get acquainted with the Potsdam anniversary exhibition for a long time, until the end of 2020.
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  1. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 23 July 2020 05: 46 New
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    To our great regret, in 1945, Nazism was not defeated, now it is called - "Western democracy"
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 July 2020 05: 51 New
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      the collective West and Russia view historical events and figures 75 years ago differently. The German side simply refused to use the signatures and comments offered by Russian museum workers in the exhibition. What are the contradictions?
      First of all, in assessing the personality of Joseph Stalin. German researchers quite unequivocally equate his rule with tyranny, in fact, putting him on a par with Hitler


      Clarification needed: German (and not only) quite definite researchers.
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 23 July 2020 07: 08 New
        +4
        Unfortunately, not only German, but also Anglo-Saxon, Polish, Czech, etc. This is a general trend, mainstream in the west.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 23 July 2020 09: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: The Truth
          Unfortunately, not only German, but also Anglo-Saxon, Polish, Czech, etc. This is a general trend, mainstream in the west.

          And the Russian is the same. One could understand if these were only "liberal historians", but no, in the school curriculum Solzhenitsyn, Archpriest Chaplin often speaks about the crimes of the Stalinist regime, etc. Demonization of Stalin is one of the ways to attack the Soviet Union and Russia with the aim of revising the Yalta Agreements.
          1. KERMET
            KERMET 23 July 2020 12: 24 New
            +5
            That historians, political leaders of our country, for the sake of momentary profit, declare Stalin, and indeed the entire leadership of the USSR, criminals
            1. mole
              mole 23 July 2020 17: 47 New
              +1
              Then the Ministry of Culture simply needs to place free exhibitions in various languages ​​dedicated to this period at the main international airports of the country. Passed registration, got acquainted with the exposition and flew to his native country with an expanded historical outlook. Some may rethink in Courchevel.
              I'm sure it won't get any worse.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 23 July 2020 17: 05 New
            +8
            And the Russian is the same.

            Feegley. In someone else's eye, even a speck is easier to see than a log in your own. They have it there, in the Omerig and Geyrops, completely "fascist-revisionists". And we have all the "holy" common people. Vaughn, how the world has absorbed to carry light and warmth to the dense Neanderthals. And it’s a fake with him that they are banned for the indemnity drawn from their own People. And the fact that the Mausoleum is draped is understandable - as if they were handing over the reconstruction of its disguise during the Great Patriotic War. Worms will come out of any embarrassment "with fat". what
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 23 July 2020 07: 49 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Clarification is necessary: ​​German (and not only) researchers of a very definite persuasion ...

        Others are not kept there. request And if there is, then it is a vanishingly small number, because you want to eat. request
      3. zenion
        zenion 23 July 2020 16: 46 New
        +3
        Can someone confirm that today's Russia is related to the Potsdam Conference? I remembered that he still had the flag of the traitor General Vlasov.
    2. Pravodel
      Pravodel 23 July 2020 07: 06 New
      +3
      Absolutely correct. All these Western democracies felt great under Hitler, quietly served in the army of the Reich and attacked the USSR on June 22, 1941. For them, Hitler and fascism were their own guys, fighting for democracy against damned communism, Stalin and the Cheka, the NKVD, after the war, against the KGB ... The French defended the Reichstag to the last, did not allow our people to capture it and hoist the banner of victory on it. And now they remembered that their happiness went away with the defeat of Germany, so they urinate on Russia, the Union, trying to turn back time.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 23 July 2020 07: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: The Truth
        The French defended the Reichstag to the last, did not allow our people to capture it and hoist the banner of victory on it.

        Reich Chancellery (German Reichskanzlei) yes
        33rd Waffen SS Charlemagne Grenadier Division (1st French) ...
        1. Pravodel
          Pravodel 23 July 2020 07: 26 New
          0
          Thanks for the clarification, here, too, my memory began to fail, but I do not have such forgetfulness as our "friends" in the West in democracy.
          The only pity is that Hitler did not visit the reistag in the last days of the war, otherwise he could have stayed there. That would be the joy of all the democrats that they caught the main democratizer, and so accidentally poisoned himself under the dashing cries of the French. They regret now that they did not bring democracy to the end ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 23 July 2020 08: 15 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        All these Western democracies were great under Hitler

        And not only. Brothers-Slavs Czechoslovakians almost until the last day of the war worked hard for the victory of the Reich, and it was not their fault that the Red Army freed them.
      3. BAI
        BAI 23 July 2020 10: 16 New
        +5
        All these Western democracies were great under Hitler

        They didn't notice the change of government at all.
        1. Pravodel
          Pravodel 23 July 2020 10: 43 New
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          All these Western democracies were great under Hitler

          For them, democracy was precisely Hitler - the main democratizer. Now the democratizer has changed, but the goals for democratization have remained the same: to democratize non-democratic countries. And the USSR, headed by Stalin, was just democratic, so the democracies cheerfully, all together on June 22, 41, rushed to democratize it. But they miscalculated. The USSR democratized the democratizers. It’s impossible to forgive this, it’s necessary, nevertheless, to bring democratization to the end and to democratize Russia now.
          There remains only one unresolved question: will it work out, or will it be like in 45? They can't answer it ...
          We know the answer: we walked and can still walk, walk, democratizing democratizers.
          1. Lena Petrova
            Lena Petrova 24 July 2020 08: 33 New
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            Quote: The Truth
            There remains only one unresolved question: will it work out, or will it be like in 45? They can't answer it ...

            Will not work. There will simply be a desert in Europe, and this is holding back the cohort of democratizers with annoyance.
    3. Vend
      Vend 23 July 2020 13: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Valery
      To our great regret, in 1945, Nazism was not defeated, now it is called - "Western democracy"

      Nazism was taken to the United States, where it flourished and continues to develop.
  2. Free wind
    Free wind 23 July 2020 05: 58 New
    +2
    Clearly, they are rewriting. Only that's interesting. the author himself knows what he writes about? Judging by the captions to the photographs, the author does not even know that the photographs contain J.V. Stalin.
  3. Fedorov
    Fedorov 23 July 2020 05: 58 New
    +3
    A table with a diameter of 3 meters was brought from the USSR, at which they sat. Couldn't be found in Europe. Fact for thought. The photo on the site is obvious.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 July 2020 06: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: Fedorov
      A table with a diameter of 3 meters was brought from the USSR, at which they sat. Couldn't be found in Europe.

      What can you do ? request
      "United Europe", which Hitler intended to create under the protectorate and hegemony of Germany, in the end still turned out to be a cramped apartment, where tables of 3 meters in diameter simply do not fit no .
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 23 July 2020 06: 35 New
        -2
        And Napoleon wanted the Macedonian, but everything rested on the Slavs and the Indians, where the Aryans came from our territories. That even Timur is lame, aka Tamerlane, did not reach Moscow a hundred kilometers, turn around and go home.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 July 2020 06: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Fedorov
          everything rested on the Slavs and Indusov

          Well, we, Slavs, are still those guys yes lol , don't spoil with us, but as for Hindus what .

          To a greater extent, the reason for the failure of the Macedonian campaign to India was the tropical climate and the same infections ...
          After all, the commander died not from a wound received in battle, but, as many researchers believe, from an infection of typhoid fever.
          1. Fedorov
            Fedorov 23 July 2020 06: 55 New
            -1
            You're right ! Everyone was mowed down there.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 23 July 2020 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Fedorov
          That even Timur is lame, aka Tamerlane, did not reach Moscow a hundred kilometers, turn around and go home.

          Written sources speak rather not of a hostile, but of a neutral attitude of Timur to the rulers of Moscow and Lithuanian Rus, who since 1395 have been not only in a dynastic, but also in a military-political alliance (Information source - History.RF portal)
          Tamerlane generally fought not with Moscow, but with Tokhtamysh (although Moscow was under him)
          And the Distance Yelets Moscow on the highway is 386 km, and in a straight line - 353 km, which is almost 4 hundred km.
          Wait reminded me about the "borders of Asia and Karl 12"
          The conqueror unexpectedly turned back, which the Russians attributed to the intercession of the Vladimir Mother of God. Since then, she has been considered the patroness of Moscow. And you must always pray to the Great Patroness of Russia-Logistics.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 24 July 2020 03: 21 New
            -2
            Quote: Cristall
            And you must always pray to the Great Patroness of Russia-Logistics.

            Rather, the fact that Timur fought with the Horde as a whole, and not with the Moscow ulus.

            By the way, it was Timur-Uzbek who actually destroyed the Horde, ending the notorious Tatar-Mongol yoke, it does not matter whether it was or not. While the famous holy warriors, A.Ya. / B. Nevsky and DI Donskoy (Moskovsky) fought on the side of the Horde (Nevsky - mainly against the Russians). Russian historians traditionally forget to mention this.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 23 July 2020 06: 35 New
      +1
      There are 15 people in the photo at the round table (I wanted to know who was where). There are 12 knights of the round table, but in many pictures, on the same "vision of the holy grail" there are 15 people .. The round table symbolizes equality and brotherhood, you will not put anyone at the forefront, there are no corners, everyone is equal.
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    4. Avior
      Avior 23 July 2020 07: 34 New
      +2
      The Potsdam conference was organized by the Soviet side, so it is not surprising that the table was brought from a Moscow factory. There were no trifles in this matter. You never know whose table this is.
      And so with a guarantee.
  4. 1536
    1536 23 July 2020 06: 35 New
    +2
    The so-called modern Germany does not exist for me. The crimes that the Germans committed during the Second World War in the territories of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine have no statute of limitations. And the fact that the fascist underdevelopment, the descendants of those who killed, robbed, raped and destroyed our land at that time, is only confirmation that German fascism in its various manifestations, alas, was not defeated and raised its head again.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 July 2020 07: 44 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      German fascism in its various manifestations, alas, was not defeated and raised its head again.

      The elite of fascism fled to the United States and actually settled there.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 23 July 2020 10: 13 New
        0
        Please, please enlighten. Who!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 July 2020 10: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          Please, please enlighten. Who!

          The most prominent war criminal with whom the CIA collaborated was Otto von Bolschwing, writes Nezavisimaya Gazeta. This is an employee of the department of Adolf Eichmann, who was directly involved in the development of a plan to cleanse Germany of Jews. Washington assisted von Bolschwing in obtaining asylum in 1954, and von Bolschwing began working for the CIA.
          Among the Nazi sheltered by the CIA were other notable figures of the Third Reich. For example, Arthur Rudolph, who ran the Mittelwerk ammunition plant. In this position, he organized the use of forced labor of workers and prisoners of war stolen in Germany. The US authorities on this spot in the biography of Rudolph closed their eyes and brought him to America. After all, Rudolph knew a lot about the production of rockets. NASA marked his merit with an award. He is called the father of the Saturn 5 rocket.

          The CIA’s cooperation with the veterans of fascism was known earlier - they were used as sources of intelligence, as well as scientists. But this report sheds light on the level of cooperation between US intelligence and the most inveterate criminals. The report also found that Nazi criminals were allowed into the US, knowing about their past. "America, which was proud to have become a safe haven for the persecuted, has become - to a small extent - a safe haven for the persecutors as well," it says.
          Peter Egner

          The American authorities not only deliberately harbored Nazi criminals, but also used them against the USSR. The reason for addressing this topic was the death of the Nazi war criminal Peter Egner, and part-time US citizen involved in the destruction of 17 thousand people in the concentration camp Staro-Saimiste. He died last week at the age of 88, and was never punished for his crimes.

          Moreover, a lot of scientists who worked for the Reich also moved to the United States and worked there ..
          Werner von Braun

          The designer of the V-1 and V-2 missiles, Wernher von Braun, ended up in the United States in 1945. Instead of sitting in the dock, he went to work at the Space Center in Alabama and in 1960 was appointed as its head. At the same time, "minor" facts were not noticed that von Braun, head of the research and testing center for rocketry in Peenemünde, was an SS officer and was directly involved in the deaths of thousands of forced laborers and prisoners of concentration camps in the underground workshops of the Dora concern.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 24 July 2020 03: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            The most prominent war criminal with whom the CIA cooperated was Otto von Bolschwing,

            Good heavens, a whole SS captain.
            Quote: Svarog
            Moreover, a lot of scientists who worked for the Reich also moved to the United States and worked there.

            Quote: Svarog
            Instead of sitting in the dock,

            Of course, only the USSR can afford to use German scientists and engineers. The main winner of fascism, after all. And the rest are not, the rest are crap. Good people, rations and volunteers, will judge.

            Whether it is Gustav Hertz, the Nobel Prize of 1925, the Stalin Prize of 1951, Manfred von Ardenne, the Stalin Prize of 1947 and 1953, Nikolai Riehl, Hero of Socialist Labor, the Stalin Prize of 1949, and others.
          2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
            Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 24 July 2020 14: 28 New
            -3
            He died last week at the age of 88 without ever being punished for his crimes.


            Have you already dealt with your executioners, Russian patriots? What is the percentage of triplets have been punished for their crimes?.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 23 July 2020 11: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        The elite of fascism fled to the United States and actually settled there.

        Not only, but also to Central and South America.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 July 2020 16: 39 New
          +6
          It is sad that even the Germans honor our History (including) more than the "nullified" ones. But the "hated" Flag of the USSR could also be draped with all sorts of "tricolors", "zhovto-blakitnye" and others. Under which their "bedding" fought against the Soviet Union. As a "sign of recognition" of true "merits", as it were. request
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2020 08: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      The so-called modern Germany does not exist for me. The crimes that the Germans committed during World War II

      From order No. 55 of the People's Commissar of Defense I. V. Stalin of February 23, 1942 in honor of the 24th anniversary of the Red Army:
      Quote: Stalin I.V.
      Hitlers come and go, but the German people, and the German state remains
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 July 2020 07: 11 New
    0
    Indeed, they say about history and jurisprudence "... like a drawbar - where you turn, it went there" ...
    So they told me both at school and at the school that the nuclear bombing had a very strong impact on the defeat of JAPAN.
    And now our new historians are pulling the blanket - they say, no, the defeat of the Kwantung Army!
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 23 July 2020 07: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      So they told me both at school and at the school that the nuclear bombing had a very strong impact on the defeat of JAPAN.
      And now our new historians are pulling the blanket - they say, no, the defeat of the Kwantung Army!

      The Manchurian offensive is a blitzkrieg in its purest form. Mudanjian, breakthrough of fortified areas on the Big Khingan, landing on Sakhalin, Kuril Islands, in the ports of Korea. The Japanese surrendered when they realized that their defenses were torn to pieces and any resistance was useless.
      Even the most powerful Japanese 47 mm PT gun is of little use against the T-34, only at the bottom of the side, only at a right angle and so that the roller is not hooked. And those with gulkin's nose. After breaking through the tactical defenses, Japan had no chance of stopping the tank armies. There was also no chance to prevent a breakthrough.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 July 2020 07: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      So they told me both at school and at the school that the nuclear bombing had a very strong impact on the defeat of JAPAN.
      And now our new historians are pulling the blanket - they say, no, the defeat of the Kwantung Army!

      Everything is complicated here. If the USSR were quietly smoking on the sidelines, then the Japanese would have twitched, they expected that when attacking the islands, the emperor and the government would be transported to the continent and could continue the war or bargain for an honorable peace. At the same time, for mediation in this trade, Japan offered Stalin Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands, and the Chinese Eastern Railway just like that, without a single shot. But on the other hand, it was the bombs that gave them a reason to capitulate, saving face. Say, we fought like samurai, but even the samurai spirit is powerless against this new super-weapon. If not for the bombs, then it is quite possible that Japan would have committed something like a nationwide hara-kiri. Well, not that literally with a knife in the belly, but they would have fought to the last Japanese.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 23 July 2020 08: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        If not for the bombs, then it is quite possible that Japan would have committed something like a nationwide hara-kiri.

        In my opinion, after the bombing of Japan, only 1 of atomic bombs remained :) For 1945, nuclear weapons would have played nothing in battles with Japan. There was simply no stock of it and there was still no capacity for the mass production of weapons-grade materials. I would have to fight with conventional weapons.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 23 July 2020 08: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          In my opinion, after the bombing of Japan, only 1 of atomic bombs remained :)

          But no one, let alone the Japanese, knew this. And even if they did know, they would still use the bombing as an excuse to surrender while saving face. Because if there is no good reason to surrender, a real samurai can only do hara-kiri to save face.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 24 July 2020 03: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            And even if they did, they would still use the bombing as an excuse to surrender while saving face.

            On August 12, 1945, the Minister of the Fleet Mitsumasa Yonai, in a conversation with his subordinates, called the atomic bombings and the entry of the USSR into the war "a gift from heaven", because the shock they caused made it possible to quickly end the war and prevent a severe national crisis.

            https://vakhnenko.livejournal.com/165824.html
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 July 2020 08: 04 New
      +2
      So they told me both at school and at the school that the nuclear bombing had a very strong impact on the defeat of JAPAN.
      You were told, to put it mildly, a lie. Or rather, not the whole truth, but only a piece of it.
      And now our new historians are pulling the blanket - they say, no, the defeat of the Kwantung Army!
      Do not overtighten. And back to the full version of the truth that was taught in schools until the end of the 80s.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 24 July 2020 03: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: NDR-791
        And back to the full version of the truth that was taught in schools until the end of the 80s.

        )))
        Here is this truth.
  6. Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 July 2020 07: 12 New
    0
    The winner writes the story. The West won the Cold War and is now rewriting history. And we, the vanquished, can only state this. It's insulting and bitter ..
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 July 2020 07: 22 New
      -8
      Quote: Svetlana
      The winner writes the story. The West won the Cold War and is now rewriting history. And we, the vanquished, can only state this. It's insulting and bitter ..

      The West always does not fall only when the elite is ready to betray, but always gets the most from the people. We have lost the battle, but the war is not over. We have already regrouped and started moving forward.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 July 2020 07: 28 New
        -6
        The forward movement will begin when (if) the former Republics begin to merge again. In the meantime, there is no trace of this.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 23 July 2020 09: 00 New
        0
        We lie under this west and only express our concern. We began the movement towards the disappearance of the titular nation, in
        with the coming to power of the huckster.
        They did not like the signatures, they hold on to the thread of Victory as a saving straw. Take it away and the society will finally crumble, devoid of clamps and spiritual guidelines. All-hero of labor Rotenberg was brought to the point of absurdity ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 23 July 2020 09: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Essex62
          We lie under this west and only express our concern.

          They lay under the West while their laws were higher than ours. With the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, their decrees are no longer a decree for us.

          Quote: Essex62
          hold on to the thread of Victory like a saving straw. Take it away and society will finally crumble

          Over the millennia, the social system and even more rulers changed in Russia many times, and Russia, as it lived and lives, will continue to live.

          Quote: Essex62
          All-hero of labor Rotenberg was brought to the point of absurdity ...

          Rotenberg built the Crimean bridge, which could not be built either under the tsars or under the USSR. He, unlike Rogozin, who spent the next budget for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, but never built, deserves this high title.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 July 2020 11: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            Rotenberg built the Crimean bridge, which could not be built either under the tsars or under the USSR. He, unlike Rogozin, who spent the next budget for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, but never built, deserves this high title.

            You know how, Boris, to pour into granite, which, in some way, makes you doubt your adequacy. In your opinion, it turns out that it is necessary to put a bronze bust in the homeland of the "hero", and for me to smear my forehead with green paint, for the fact that the cost of construction exceeds the estimated cost by several times. And he will also answer for "Plato".
          2. Essex62
            Essex62 23 July 2020 13: 22 New
            +1
            These amendments did not change the bourgeois essence. The power of capital, the original Western capital, remained. Our newly made nouveau riche are in this stream. The concepts of profit and homeland are not compatible. They lie and will lie. Foreign, enemy money has priority, what kind of independence is there.
            Rus-Russia is not just a territory, these are people, but they are in
            those times did not live, existed and survived under the yoke of a handful of backbones, centuries ago, who established this way of life by force of arms and cruelty. Princes, bandits, in fact, took away from the farmers and artisans the product of his labor. Until this, you see, a very unfair order, has not changed the VOSR and the construction of the USSR.
            About the judoka, your statement is beyond the bounds at all. You are positioning yourself like a socialist on the site. In a welding mask, behind the levers of a bulldozer, on the piercing wind with salty spray, he heroically built a bridge? Or successfully invested privatizirovanoe loot? Opensource projects, eh, surprised, so surprised Borya.
          3. aglet
            aglet 23 July 2020 13: 40 New
            -1
            "They lay under the West as long as their laws were higher than ours. With the adoption of the amendments to the Constitution, their decrees are no longer an order for us."
            have you read what you voted for?
          4. aglet
            aglet 23 July 2020 13: 51 New
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            "Rotenberg built the Crimean Bridge, which could not have been built either under the Tsars or under the USSR."
            the Crimean bridge was built at the expense of the budget. Rotenberg stole money no less than Rogozin. How many times has the cost of the bridge changed? By the way, it is 3 times more expensive than the longest bridge in the world, and in short, 10 times
            "Over the millennia in Russia, the social system and even more rulers have changed many times, and Russia, as it lived and lives, will continue to live."
            like, long live feudalism, the bright future of mankind?
            the social system changed once - in 1917
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 July 2020 11: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Essex62
          They did not like the signatures, they hold on to the thread of Victory as a saving straw. Take it away and the society will finally crumble, devoid of clamps and spiritual guidelines. All-hero of labor Rotenberg was brought to the point of absurdity ...

          It all started from the moment when the head of the club, like, became a mother-in-law foreign intelligence officer.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 23 July 2020 14: 22 New
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            Early, comrade. What is now, the final chords. The gap is such, in all directions, between the lake and all the others, that we cannot pass the big broads. Dialectics. This happened in the rotten geyrope, and so here. Mother Russia was on fire with estates with all that it implies. It is time to stop and look around the lake. It is fraught. I am also against such a scenario. But the guys do not seem to be catching up in their greed and stupidity. 21st century in the yard, the population is a little more jovial and more educated than the deep, illiterate, poisoned by religious opium, man
            will be from the past. We are also eating enough with them.
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 July 2020 07: 19 New
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    When Russia reaches the level of military, political and economic might, that the EU will breathe every other time, then everywhere we will be invited even ahead of the hosts. In the meantime, you have to clench your teeth and plow like a cursed person to achieve this level, and not carry dogs on airplanes, like the various Deputy Prime Ministers Shuvalovs, only the name is a shame.
    This is not a matter of decades, but the process of accelerating the replacement of elites must begin now with the involvement of the security service to control them with an instant cutoff from career growth in case of receiving negative information. Although this is just my wishlist.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 23 July 2020 07: 43 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      the process of accelerated replacement of elites must begin

      The adopted amendments to the Constitution of the "residency qualification" will not allow very many "elitists" to pass on their chair by inheritance. practically all heirs live and study abroad, incl. the process has begun.
  8. avia12005
    avia12005 23 July 2020 07: 30 New
    +3
    This will always continue, as long as a significant part of the Russian modern political elite bangs with the West.
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 23 July 2020 07: 39 New
    +2
    Maybe to hint to Merkel that if Germany wants to regain Silesia and the Sudetenland, Russia will not object too much? If Yalta and Potsdam are shameful, then they are shameful in terms of the territorial structure, and this device may well be tried to return to the pre-war one. And Poland ... what Poland? Let him try to get it back germination armchairsif you can. Although ... She declared through her president that she did not pretend to Lvov.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 24 July 2020 03: 45 New
      -2
      Quote: Nagan
      what if Germany wants to regain Silesia and the Sudetenland, Russia won't mind too much?

      As if on this issue, Merkel would come up with an interest in the opinion of Russia. It would be worthwhile to be quiet so that Merkel does not suddenly remember what Herr Adenauer's position was on East Prussia.
      Quote: Nagan
      She, through the mouth of her president, declared that she did not pretend to Lvov.

      Normal people don't have the budget to feed all the rogues in the world. Only the Russians can afford it, they themselves do not need money.
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 July 2020 07: 57 New
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    German exhibition dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Potsdam conference. Why Russia is not involved
    And rightly so.
    1. Putin will appear at the opening and "eclipse" мYerkel. angry
    2. will begin to teach Europeans real history, that is, poke their noses into their shit, but do they need it? wink
    3. Will start to shuffle tolerantly, partners-colleagues, but do we need it? recourse
    1. mehan
      mehan 23 July 2020 17: 50 New
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      Nope.
      Putin will come and arrest Merkel for not recognizing Crimea. Yes, they are Macron at the same time.
      Do they need it?
  11. Tugarin
    Tugarin 23 July 2020 08: 19 New
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    At the same time, everyone forgets that the main result of the Potsdam Conference was long-term peace in Europe and the creation of the United Nations with the Security Council

    In my opinion, it was a mistake to deploy the UN on US territory. A neutral country could also be found.
    1. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 23 July 2020 09: 57 New
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      what is it? all dependent countries
      1. iouris
        iouris 23 July 2020 10: 08 New
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        Quote: fruit_cake
        all dependent countries

        ..from the USA.
  12. iouris
    iouris 23 July 2020 10: 08 New
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    RF was not a participant of that conference, and Stalinism in general in RF was condemned.
  13. Cristall
    Cristall 23 July 2020 10: 13 New
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    points of view are different for everyone, because all people pull the blanket over themselves.
    This is inherent in humans.
    Because it’s commonplace biology. We and THEY.
    Cecilienhof Palace after restoration

    yes, this is a mission from Penzer ...
    is very similar.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 July 2020 10: 49 New
      +1
      Points of view are the tenth thing. Here only interests are important (do we have them?). Their interest does not provide for us to be.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 23 July 2020 11: 16 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Points of view are the tenth thing. Here only interests are important (do we have them?). Their interest does not provide for us to be.

        in principle also true
        Depending on the interest / purpose, we recognize this or that point of view.
        At the root of the matter is still a biological need (to be the most dominant)
        1. iouris
          iouris 23 July 2020 11: 24 New
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          Quote: Cristall
          At the root of the matter is still a biological need (to be the most dominant)

          Rather, it is a sexual need (and even then, for some). This does not apply to politics. Material interests operate here (property or access to cheap resources, capital, sales markets, etc.)
  14. BAI
    BAI 23 July 2020 10: 13 New
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    1.
    The Germans insist that victory was achieved exclusively through weapons of mass destruction (the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki),

    It is good that they admit that the bombing was carried out by the United States, not the USSR.
    2.
    On the one hand, Poland unexpectedly demands reparations from Russia for its many years of occupation.
    And the Poles do not want to return the territories that Stalin gave them in 1944?
  15. apro
    apro 23 July 2020 10: 31 New
    +2
    And what does today's Russia have to do with the Poddam conference? After all, thanks to the actions of Russia, all the achievements of the USSR were destroyed. The agreements were kept. The military allies were destroyed. The loyal allies of the USSR.
    Today Russia is unable to maintain its interests, and those achievements of the USSR are not achievable today.
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 July 2020 13: 01 New
    +3
    Well, yes, Stalin was a dictator and a tyrant .. okay, okay. Then Churchill was an imperialist exploiter, a representative of the state, which by force crushed many territories around the world and brutally suppressed the very rights and freedoms of self-determination, which they now so beautifully and stubbornly sing about. And he represented the interests of this country, pursued a policy aimed at this. And since we are now engaged in a post-war revision of history - it was these "beacons of law, legality and humanism" who sold opium to the Chinese and divided a number of former colonial possessions so "effectively" that conflicts are still going on there - who is responsible for this?


    And the French did the same - they pumped the resources of the territories conquered by force and tough colonial policy, and they also burned partisans in Algeria with napalm, after the establishment of the UN and human rights. Wonderful, humane people!

    The same USA up to 60 years at least did not put blacks and Latinos in anything - tell me, is this not exploitation? So they accuse Stalin of climbing into Finland with the interests of the USSR - while they themselves, by the way, with their "national-global interests" also climbed into Korea, and Vietnam, and Cuba. Ah, Stalin arranged terror, the secret police did everything - and what did McCarthy arrange? In a "democratic society" - exactly the same tribunals for knocking, just as the apologists of democracy (and the now glorified "prophet" Oruel, and Walt Disney) knocked and slandered their colleagues, scribbled denunciations and lists, just as they ruined human destinies and reputations. And what were our overseas friends doing in their colonies? They suppressed national liberation movements, built brothels, pumped resources leaving ordinary people in poverty and to feed their large companies. So they love to savor the "Holodomor" and so on, but what happened in the 20s themselves? People were swollen from hunger and in the neighborhood they poured milk into the river and threw grain into the furnaces.

    There are no questions - the pre-war and wartime USSR was, by modern standards, a kind of a branch of hell, where elementary human rights were violated everywhere and what we are dissatisfied with in some manifestations of it now (dependent courts, arbitrariness of the authorities, party solidarity, militarization of society and aggressive propaganda) - just do not forget that the world was then saturated with this - xenophobia, militarism, propaganda, exploitation, the cult of forceful solutions to issues, profit and competition. And these lovely democracies also rushed, tormented and cut the territories that came to them on the table, without asking the opinion (and after all, like democrats ...) of the inhabitants of these territories (and after all, it was a shame themselves when they did this to them .. I'm talking about Poland ).

    What amuses me - over time, the West somehow smoothes out, glossing over its sins - about how they shot at the workers, about racial segregation and sterilization programs, about the aggressive colonial policy and how they stung the crab to Hitler - but in the smallest detail it remembers all our sins. It's so cute))
    The past is the past, do not worry about it. The Western world has a short memory and "broad moral principles" - we cannot change them, but we ourselves should not rush to change to suit them. The purity of their standards and the perfection of their views are relative, it's worth understanding ..
    We can do better if we want to. Our future is not in the past.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 23 July 2020 14: 44 New
      +1
      All the little sisters on earrings. And the USSR is an empire of evil and Stalin is a dictator and Westerners byaki. He splashed on the fan and covered up, so what, what we have (and how do you know that it was like that, how do you write? Mokritsa Solzhenitsyn told?) And they have something, they have ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 23 July 2020 17: 26 New
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        She told the biography of most of the people who stood at the origins of the post-war / military victories and breakthroughs. They sat, sharashkoy (Glushko), knocked on them and slandered, they knocked out their teeth (Rokossovsky) and broke their jaws during interrogations (Korolev), some of whom were run over at the direction of a truck from above (Solomon Mikhoels, have you heard of this?), They died in dungeons ( Vavilov), whose relatives were rotted in the camps for nothing. I don't need to read Solzhenitsyn - I know the history of specific people and I know their contribution to our success - in order to understand that not one of them deserves to be wiped their ashes like this.
        So when they try to portray that it was not - this is nonsense. But at the same time, the discussion and actualization of this - do not do any positive work - because we "chew" this topic, our bureaucrats will not be smarter or better, they will not steal less or plant less on orders. It will not make our future or our present any better - therefore, it is all useless, and talking about it is useless. The past is in the past. Most developed countries today have the roots of history in theft, violence, slavery, murder, lies and the suppression of the rights of the individual and national minorities. Some forget about it, blinking their eyes like a little fairy, others digging into it until blue in the face or repenting - all this is an old dung heap, gentlemen. Let her be stirred up by little people from whom she carries dust, cheap cologne and unsatisfied passions of youth a mile away. We are interested in the future of the country and for the good we need to build it before anyone without repenting or making excuses. Don't need the peace of Japan? Let them go to the forest. Do not need monuments of the Czech Republic? Let them go to the forest. Doesn't someone need our gas? Well, you know where to go. For political, historical or other reasons.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 23 July 2020 19: 51 New
          +2
          And I understand everything about them, but I'll ask about us again - Konstantin Konstantinovich himself told you how they knocked out his teeth in Beria's dungeons? I read his autobiography, but I didn't find a word about it. And the biographies you know were published in no other way after the bourgeois coup. A lot of things in 90 "historians" riveted.
          And Sharashki is a very effective method to protect the designers and scientists needed by the country from the encroachments of German deversants. Lavrenty Palych solved the problem simply and efficiently. Transferred to the barracks position and forced to plow, for a very fat ration
          Here is my grandmother, so that with my one-year-old mother in her arms, not to die of hunger, blood, almost all the war years, donated. About a Jew who was moved by a truck, by the order of whom? The Supreme himself, not otherwise? the bike is exactly from the lips of those awarded. (Remember there was such a medal, in 91m?) Bat, for the sake of the enemies, who buried my country.
          And Vavilov's guilt in the anti-Soviet conspiracy was completely proven. A harsh time, class struggle. Either we or they. In the 80s, the stranglehold was released and this pro-Western, loudmouthed pack, with thieves and shopkeepers in a compartment, destroyed what they managed to establish with such difficulty.
          Squeezing out selfish psychology from people drop by drop.
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    Logically, the big game continues.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 14: 29 New
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    Quote: iouris
    Quote: Cristall
    At the root of the matter is still a biological need (to be the most dominant)

    Rather, it is a sexual need (and even then, for some). This does not apply to politics. Material interests operate here (property or access to cheap resources, capital, sales markets, etc.)


    Access to resources is a modified need to eat and dominate.
  19. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 July 2020 14: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: iouris
    RF was not a participant of that conference, and Stalinism in general in RF was condemned.


    RF is recognized as the successor of the USSR. It's a pity not in everything.
    1. mehan
      mehan 23 July 2020 17: 53 New
      -2
      By whom - recognized?
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 23 July 2020 21: 51 New
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        Quote: mehan
        By whom - recognized?

        UN, for example. In fact, most of the countries that left the USSR. Well, the United States to the heap.
        1. mehan
          mehan 24 July 2020 14: 15 New
          -1
          UN? In the UN, the Russian Federation remained as a founding country, along with the BSSR, and the Ukrainian SSR .......
          And "in fact" is about nothing. They didn’t recognize, they simply don’t discuss or dispute.
  20. igorra
    igorra 23 July 2020 18: 44 New
    +2
    In the future, we need to give up our pity for the losers and use - woe to the defeated. Our universal kindness to everyone will not lead to good. If in the West we are considered Asians, then we must be treated according to the precepts of Genghis Khan - children not taller than the cart's wheel check remain alive. Stalin and that generation of victors took pity on fascist Europe, we begin to sip a full spoon, if we do not finish, then our children are unlikely to have a calm future. With the collapse of the country, where only in the former Soviet Union they did not expel, humiliate, and simply did not slaughter the Russians (in the big national-Russian sense of the word), they got Chechnya with the genocide of Russians. Until we discard the false concept of Russian chauvinism and begin to revive precisely the Russian nation - the core of our state, we will not succeed. Well, small nations do not have a feeling of great power. Look not at the national republics, your own nation is above all and on the other side the Russians - only a person would be good. There will be no Russians, there will be no Tatarstan, Bashkiria or other national entities.
    P.S. I am not Russian myself, but I don’t see the nationalities like that.
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 July 2020 21: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Tugarin
    it was a mistake to deploy the UN on US soil.

    In the USA, the UN headquarters There are UN offices in Vienna and Geneva, you can move.
  22. Octopus
    Octopus 24 July 2020 05: 07 New
    -1
    Nice little thing. Unfortunately, the author is somewhat off topic.
    In keeping with this "free" Western ideology, two equally abhorrent totalitarian powers clashed in World War II.

    This is the official position of the European Union (European Parliament resolution of 19 September 2019 on the importance of European remembrance for the future of Europe (2019/2819 (RSP)). The longer the Russian side denies this reality, the less adequate it will look. What cannot not to please.
    One of them was successfully crushed in 1945, and the second was pressed in every possible way until the beginning of the 90s.

    Only Reagan was enough to say this. Say and do.
    The Russian point of view has a right to exist, but does not quite correspond to reality

    Again, the German terpils do not yet have the courage to say that the Russian so-called. there is simply no need to listen to official historians - they are not historians, but publicists, moreover, of the most tabloid style.
    In keeping with old European slogans, historians from Potsdam explicitly reject the decisive importance of the Soviet Union in the victory over Nazism.

    The view of WWII in Europe as a war between Germany and Britain is quite traditional. The main ally of Britain is, naturally, the United States. The USSR has always occupied a somewhat peculiar place.
    Jurgen Lou contradicts himself. At first, he speaks of a discrepancy with his Russian colleagues in assessing the role of Stalin (the Germans called him a dictator and a tyrant), and later on "absolutely neutral and correct formulations"

    And what is the contradiction?
    The Holocaust is actually brought out by the organizers as the only crime of the Hitler regime, and the genocide of the peoples of the USSR is kept silent.

    What's wrong? The Jews counted their own long ago and accurately, and the USSR / RF estimates its losses with an accuracy of 15 million, while giving losses demographically, that is, includes in this number the shot gene. Pavlova, who hanged herself to the poetess Tsvetaeva and even Commissar Lyushkov, who fled to the Japanese. Who can be interested in these stories, if they were never even interested in the authorities of the USSR / RF?
    Henry Kissinger:

    "Yalta has become a symbol of shame in terms of shaping the image of the post-war world."

    And there is.
    In 2005, in Riga, he called the results of these conferences "treacherous".

    He spoke brightly that time.
    As we mark a victory of six days ago - six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox. For much of Germany, defeat led to freedom. For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire. VE Day marked the end of fascism, but it did not end oppression. The agreement at Yalta followed in the unjust tradition of Munich and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable. Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable. The captivity of millions in Central and Eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history.

    "No more Munichs and no more Yalts."

    He speaks beautifully.

    Three years later, this yap surrendered Georgia. It is for such tricks that Americans are not liked.

    So far, the above position of Bush Jr. is nothing more than a rhetorical device - then, in 2005, he urged the Balts to keep at least a symbolic contingent in Afghanistan and Iraq, so that these events look more representative. "What a blue sky! - it sounded in translation into Russian - we are not supporters of robbery! A braggart does not need a knife! You sing along to him a little - and do whatever you like with him!"

    But the train of thought itself inspires hope that the idea of ​​Western betrayal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
    will not challenge former Allies. And this will really be a big breakthrough towards the truth.
    At the same time, everyone forgets that the main result of the Potsdam Conference ... the creation of the United Nations

    Lies. The UN was created at the San Francisco Conference, a month before Postdam. By that time, the Americans had been running around with this idea for several years and had settled everything with everyone.
    long-term peace in Europe

    Long-term peace in Europe is the result of the creation of NATO in the spring of 49. In the middle of the 48th Comrade. Stalin almost managed to end this boredom. Fortunately for the survivors, Truman jumped off that time.
    It must be said that such rhetoric appeared in Europe and the United States only in the late 80s. First, the generation of those who remembered the merits of the Soviet Union in the fight against Nazism gradually passed away. They would surely shut the mouths of modern free historians,

    Yeah.
    It seems we stabbed the wrong pig

    This phrase is attributed to Churchill, but he most likely did not say it. But there is what he said for sure.
    From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow. Athens alone-Greece with its immortal glories-is free to decide its future at an election under British, American and French observation. The Russian-dominated Polish Government has been encouraged to make enormous and wrongful inroads upon Germany, and mass expulsions of millions of Germans on a scale grievous and undreamed-of are now taking place. The Communist parties, which were very small in all these Eastern States of Europe, have been raised to pre-eminence and power far beyond their numbers and are seeking everywhere to obtain totalitarian control. Police governments are prevailing in nearly every case, and so far, except in Czechoslovakia, there is no true democracy.

    But to defeat Taft, Eisenhower had to find supporters among the Republicans of the Midwest and West Coast - people who voted against the Marshall Plan and NATO. For this reason, his first speeches will not be addressed to the nation, but more to the right wing of the Great Old Party. And for the old guard the most terrible of all betrayalscommitted by the Democrats in their "twenty years of treason" were Yalta and the loss of China. All their hatred for Roosevelt focused on the Yalta conference, and for Truman on the loss of China.

    So, the fact is that Eisenhower was one of the main agents of Roosevelt's policy in Europe during the war, he was at the head of the KNS under Truman, when China was "lost". Eisenhower hardly acted against his convictions then. Whatever one may say, no matter how you wag, or explain your actions, it is impossible to deny that he faithfully and with real enthusiasm helped Roosevelt to carry out his policy. Eisenhower's refusal to compete with the Russians in who gets to Berlin faster, and his efforts to establish good relations with Zhukov in the second half of 1945, helped the most to the signing of the Yalta Accords. His close collaboration with the Truman administration in 1948 and 1949 presupposed at least agreement with China's policy. These facts were the most serious obstacle in the struggle for nomination. He was aware of this, as well as that he had to overcome this obstacle.

    On the other hand, the Poles do not even hint at the return of vast territories to Germany, which were transferred to the country by the decision of the same conferences.

    )))
    This is just understandable, Germany will not take another GDR for itself. Like Poland itself, it is not very eager to return Lviv and Vilno. Only money.
  23. nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 July 2020 07: 02 New
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    It's a shame that those who were freed by the Americans remember who freed them, and those who were freed by the Red Army have completely forgotten about it. The West has dreamed of the collapse of the USSR since the very foundation of the state. And here is such a surprise. of all the instigators, did not even react to Belovezhie.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 25 July 2020 11: 44 New
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      Quote: nikvic46
      And those who were liberated by the Red Army completely forgot about it

      Do not even dream.

      They remember very well that the Red Army liberated them from their presence only in the early 90s. Moreover, at that time the Americans did much more than the Red Army itself. There are, of course, paid and free quislings, like the Czech President Zeman, but despite or even thanks to their efforts to "reconcile" the activities of the USSR in the post-war years are not forgotten.

      If you are hinting at the events of 44-45, then the Red Army "liberated" seven allies or provinces of the Reich (Hungary, Slovakia, Bohemia (Czech Republic), Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria) and Poland. To whom and for what these countries should be grateful after such "liberation" is not such a simple conversation as you think.

      Unfortunately, to some extent one can speak of liberation only in relation to the Bosniaks (liberation from the Croats, who seriously genocide them), and even then the exchange of the Croatian occupation for the Krasnoserbsk one is not quite a dream come true. The term "liberation" in relation to other countries is unlikely to evoke understanding among their population.

      Serbia, Montenegro, Albania go separately. On the one hand, they were, as it were, freed, but on the other hand, this "liberation" led to the change of the Chetnik government, which was normal at that time, to a communist government that had nothing to do with normalcy. So they're kind of out of context.
  24. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 July 2020 16: 07 New
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    Quote: mehan
    UN? In the UN, the Russian Federation remained as a founding country, along with the BSSR, and the Ukrainian SSR .......
    And "in fact" is about nothing. They didn’t recognize, they simply don’t discuss or dispute.

    From the USSR, Russia inherited permanent membership in the Soviet bez and the right of veto. Ukraine and Belarus do not have this.
  25. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 26 July 2020 15: 02 New
    +2
    For this, you can increase the price of gas !!!
  26. bulava
    bulava 28 July 2020 16: 27 New
    -1
    Alas, history cannot be reversed, otherwise Joseph Vissarionovich, if he knew what would happen, would simply organize the German Polar Land and take the entire remaining Deutschland there. And the territory of Germany would be populated by the indigenous peoples of the Far North. They deserve it, unlike ...