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USA supported France in its conflict with Turkey over the incident in the Mediterranean

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National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien told reporters in Paris that the United States is supporting France in its confrontation with Turkey over the incident in the Mediterranean. Donald Trump, who has developed good relations with both Emmanuel Macron and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, could help defuse the situation.


This was reported by the Associated Press news agency.

The scandal exposed NATO's struggle to maintain order within its ranks and weakened US leadership under President Donald Trump. O'Brien stated that such incidents should not happen:

NATO allies should not turn their fire control radars at each other. This is not good.

Earlier, the French military reported that on June 10, their frigate Courbet was illuminated by the radar system of a Turkish warship accompanying a civilian cargo ship. The French acted as part of NATO's Operation Maritime Guard to ensure safe shipping in the Mediterranean and to cut off arms traffic to Libya. They got information that the ship, guarded by the Turkish Navy, transported weapon for one of the parties to the Libyan conflict.

Ankara protested against an attempt by the French military to detain a Turkish convoy in neutral waters. At the same time, Turkey said that the actions of the Turkish warship did not pose a threat to the French Navy ship.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 17 July 2020 14: 53
    +7
    Hmm, here's NATO solidarity, well it didn't come to firing ... everything indicates that the United States has clearly lost its leading position and that it will take efforts to restore it
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 July 2020 15: 05
      27
      Quote: svp67
      ok, it didn't come to shooting

      What good is there?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 17 July 2020 19: 01
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        What good is there?

        Well, think about shooting practical shells at each other, and then someone who has patience will burst and launch anti-ship missiles, what is the difference and profit from this?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 18 July 2020 13: 23
          0
          From the collapse of NATO? No, not at all.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 15: 07
      30
      Quote: svp67
      well, it didn't come to shooting ... in


      Bad that didn't come. There would be a volley of anti-ship missiles against the francs in combat conditions would be extremely interesting and informative
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 17 July 2020 15: 34
        10
        Nothing interesting, this is Lafayette of the first generation, still without a refit. There the P-15 would have smoked and perished this miracle of engineering, for wars without an adversary.

        These 8 Krotaly are the only air defense ships.


        And given the serious savings in survivability, crew truncation, stealth - Harpoon bets for him, guaranteed death.
        1. Shadow041
          Shadow041 17 July 2020 15: 39
          16
          Yes, it would still be interesting, regardless of whether the French would drown the Turks or not. The very fact of firing on a French ship. You look and the Turks from France would have sent gifts.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 17 July 2020 23: 15
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Nothing interesting, this is Lafayette of the first generation, still without a refit. There the P-15 would have smoked and perished this miracle of engineering, for wars without an adversary.

          These 8 Krotaly are the only air defense ships.


          And given the serious savings in survivability, crew truncation, stealth - Harpoon bets for him, guaranteed death.

          What is the best refit in this meta now?
    3. kulinar
      kulinar 17 July 2020 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Hmm, here’s NATO solidarity. Well, it didn’t come to shooting.

      Why good?
      So they would see who is on whose side ... repeat
    4. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 17 July 2020 17: 25
      -1
      Everything is much more banal and more complicated, problem areas with all the "fossils" are being developed by Turkey, it is impossible to simply "give away" according to the scenario, it is necessary to create the appearance of protest and concern. The United States as a "piggy bank" does not pull, even with all external pumps, and NATO members are far from involuntary people .. This "party" in the east is far from its logical conclusion ..
    5. VIP
      VIP 17 July 2020 17: 52
      -9
      In fact, France is not a member of the NATO military organization. I don’t remember which year, but Sh. De Gaulle withdrew France from the military bloc.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 17 July 2020 18: 11
        11
        Quote: V I P
        In fact, France is not a member of the NATO military organization. I don’t remember which year, but Sh. De Gaulle withdrew France from the military bloc.

        Infa is a bit out of date. In 2009, Sarkozy's "friend" pushed her back.
        https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/ru/vneshnyaya-politika/bezopasnost-razoruzhenie-i-neraspostranenie/la-france-et-l-otan/
        1. VIP
          VIP 18 July 2020 13: 29
          +2
          Vasyan, thanks for the amendment. So I fell behind life.
      2. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 17 July 2020 18: 13
        0
        I do not remember

        It’s bad when you don’t remember .... and even worse when you don’t know .......
        After all, there is such a thing as the Internet (you just use it) .... and there is Google :))))
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 18 July 2020 19: 33
        0
        Quote: V I P
        In fact, France is not a member of the NATO military organization
        NATO is a military-political bloc, France left the military bloc, but remained in the political one.
    6. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 17 July 2020 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Hmm, here is NATO solidarity.

      Yes, what kind of "solidarity" is there after Cyprus?
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 July 2020 14: 55
    10
    Conflicts within NATO how interesting it is ... Turkey / Greece ... now Turkey / France ... who is next ??))
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 July 2020 15: 04
      +2
      And for some reason, Turkey is always involved in them ... winked
      Maybe we shouldn't keep such people in NATO?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 July 2020 15: 13
        +5
        The Turks need resentment in NATO, but not in the European Union, so you can expect anything from the Turks.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 July 2020 16: 31
        +1
        Only such in NATO are needed. And the rest of the world popcorn stocks.
      3. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 17 July 2020 19: 34
        0
        and you generally for whom ??? ... for white or for red ...
      4. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 17 July 2020 21: 26
        0
        Some time ago, he said that Erdogan, due to his feeble mind, is bringing the appearance of a Turkish federal district within the Russian Federation closer.
        There are many advantages, market expansion, straits, industrial and military potential, the Karabakh problem will be forgotten ...
        Time goes by ... Here's another signal ...
      5. alexmach
        alexmach 18 July 2020 13: 40
        0
        Of course you do! Let them face stronger heads with the rest so that it generally collapses in Europe. Let the Germans and French build their own alliance in Europe instead of NATO.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 15: 56
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Conflicts within NATO how interesting it is ... Turkey / Greece ... now Turkey / France ... who's next ??

      It looks like they are partners, but in reality they bite each other like jackals.
      1. Maki maki
        Maki maki 17 July 2020 17: 12
        11
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It looks like they are comrades, but in reality they bite each other like jackals

        The shepherd's whip falls out of his hands, and this is the result.
  3. Kurare
    Kurare 17 July 2020 15: 11
    +9
    Here already France has a "second tooth" on Turkey: the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. As you know, the Armenian lobby is very strong in France, and the Turks openly support Azerbaijan.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 July 2020 15: 29
    +3
    US Supports France in Conflict with Turkey over Mediterranean Sea Incident
    How is it in Russian?
    NATO allies should not turn their fire control radars at each other. This is not good.
    The Turk leads the Sultan and promises them "half the world." Responsible French dribbled, because apart from dem. there are no values ​​for the soul. Macron cannot even promise them France, they come in large numbers. repeat
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 July 2020 16: 19
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      USA supported France in its conflict with Turkey over an incident in the Mediterranean
      How is it in Russian?

      Great is the mighty Russian language. laughing
  5. lubesky
    lubesky 17 July 2020 15: 33
    +4
    Turkey, in principle, is like a suitcase without a handle for NATO. The likelihood of an armed conflict with Russia is very high in the future, given the revanchist policies of the Turks. Let us not forget that Byzantium should be returned to the fold of the Church, which in itself is the default reason. The murder of the Russian ambassador, the downed attack aircraft and the unwillingness to recognize the Armenian genocide. An unprecedented insolence attempt at times to limit shipping through the isthmus for a nuclear superpower ... All this can lead to a conflict in which NATO will need to seriously think whether to intervene on the side of Turkey or not.
    Let us not forget Turkey’s financing of the Islamic Crescent and dubious organizations in Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, its influence in Central Asia. Turkey is doing a lot to complicate our relations and so little and far-sighted to improve these relations. (I mean gas relations with Putin’s team - his team is not eternal, and Russia is the very power that has a very good memory)
    1. VIP
      VIP 17 July 2020 18: 30
      +1
      Putin’s team is not eternal - yes, but the question is which team will replace?
      By and large, 2 teams are currently fighting: "compradors" and "state leaders".
  6. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 17 July 2020 15: 47
    -12 qualifying.
    In case of war I would put on Turkey
    1. VIP
      VIP 17 July 2020 18: 12
      +2
      And flew by: France itself is not frail, Egypt grabs like a dog in his pants, there are hints that China is playing on the side of Haftar, and there they are still sitting under the table and .... the Sultan is a full Trindec
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 July 2020 15: 48
    0
    Yes, let them devour each other in this NAT, we have fewer problems.
  8. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 17 July 2020 15: 50
    +1
    What is the US supported in France?
  9. HAM
    HAM 17 July 2020 15: 56
    +1
    Not so much the incident itself as talking ...
  10. Free wind
    Free wind 17 July 2020 16: 17
    0
    And which France supported the United States? Top, bottom, right, blue? How many of them are France?
  11. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 16: 22
    0
    Any monopoly, where its potential ceases to hold a competitor, goes in the wind.
  12. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 July 2020 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
    What is the US supported in France?

    France does not need US military support. Support will be US neutrality.
  13. Alien From
    Alien From 17 July 2020 17: 00
    +4
    Mattresses will support any chaos .... if only the dollar was in price .......
  14. Maki maki
    Maki maki 17 July 2020 17: 14
    10
    NATO allies should not turn fire control radars at each other. This is not good

    I should have added "Ay-ay-ay" and shake a finger laughing
  15. vargo
    vargo 17 July 2020 17: 22
    +1
    Well, in fact, all the disagreements in NATO are now strongly associated with the licentiousness of Turkey. The rest would have somehow agreed. And here it is how, if you give the insolent will, he beguiles all the banks. There is no one to restrain Turkey. It will only get worse. I shot down an airplane in Russia, and nothing (militarily), which means France can be beaten even more so. I think Turkey will still throw a couple of meatballs in the near future.
    1. Victor67
      Victor67 17 July 2020 17: 58
      -7
      And what does it mean: shot down a plane of Russia, then France can be beaten even more so? Yes, the Turks would have stumbled so that a French plane was shot down, there an aircraft carrier (French) rubs them nearby, and a legion reckless at the ready, plus a submarine. This is our plane, you can shoot down and get off with tomatoes for six months, this number will not work with France, the Turks will be carried out at the same gate right away and will not see what is in NATO.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 21: 01
        -2
        Quote: Victor67
        Yes, the Turks would huddle to shoot down a French plane,


        The Frenchman would have been knocked down without flinching a single muscle. And a volley of anti-ship missiles would have slammed into the frigate if the French had not passed back.
        with France, such a number will not work, they will carry the Turks into the same gate at once and will not see what is in NATO.

        Only in fantasy. In reality, after a week of operation against Gaddafi, the Franks ended the WTO from the word in general, then they bombed with conventional bombs and made every effort to use the Americans.
        here are the best warships for yourself and the whole world,

        How are they the best sideways?
        and Leclerc, in terms of parameters unattainable for all countries

        Come on.... laughing
        aircraft carriers

        One was stuck in another repair ...
        1. Victor67
          Victor67 17 July 2020 21: 29
          -1
          The key word "would" was not slapped to the French, but ours were slapped so that the tomatoes disappeared for a year.
          The Franks ended the WTO, but it did not even begin with us, as they ran in Syria during the 500th World War, and they continue everywhere.
          The best ships in any direction: from FREMS, to whose analogues we are not talking at all (these are destroyers), to UDCs, which seem to have been licked off, but in no way will they lay.
          And about aircraft carriers: in the sense of being stuck in repair ??? This is a nuclear aircraft carrier with a modern air group on board, with catapults, AWACS planes and other buns, stands off the coast of Libya, projects something there, maybe even force, what's wrong?
          Our kerogas got stuck in the repair, the boilers were repaired, but they weren't repaired, it will smoke again, to everyone's shame, if they do not try to drown again during repairs, will go out to sea with 33 without a radar and with pilots without a raid, they will again dive into the water.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 21: 40
            0
            Quote: Victor67
            The key word "would", did not slap the French,


            Keyword Franks went where they were sent. Transport with a Turkish escort went further towards its goal
            Quote: Victor67
            as they flowed in Syria during the 500th time of the Second World War, and continue everywhere.

            Understandably, the repeated use of SLCM and SLCM passed you by, as it happens if you have a built-in filter. By the way, the use of conventional bombs in Syria is quite reasonable sufficiency ...
            Quote: Victor67
            from FREMS, to analogs of which are still generally discussed

            There are definitely no analogues. Gorshkov pr. 22350 is heavily armed in terms of air defense, and in other matters are generally comparable.
            This is a nuclear aircraft carrier with a modern air group on board, with catapults, AWACS planes and other buns, it stands off the coast of Libya, projects something there, maybe even force, what's wrong?

            It is under repair ...
            with pilots without flying,

            Do you have proof?
            with the French it wouldn't work.

            With the French, it was still not so good ... laughing
            aircraft construction,

            For some reason I don't remember a 5th generation French fighter.
            1. Victor67
              Victor67 17 July 2020 21: 47
              -2
              https://newinform.com/236683-franciya-napravila-avianosec-sharl-de-goll-k-beregam-livii?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
            2. Victor67
              Victor67 17 July 2020 21: 50
              -2
              And what is Gorshkov more armed with than FREMM? Your ambitions and hurray-patriotism? Let's get the facts into the studio!
              And I don’t remember the 5th generation fighter, the engine was not and will not be until the age of 25, there is no radar and it is not known when it will be, so they will build at least one regiment with everything that gives the right to be considered the 5th generation, then hurray you will shout.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 22: 20
                0
                Have you ever tried to read at least the performance characteristics? so obviously not .. Alas.
                So I will explain very briefly, because I will not educate you for free. For money I will give a course of lectures, for example, on the combat use of naval forces.
                The Frenchman has 8 missile launchers Exocet, 16 UVP Silver for Scalp (Scalp, let's say, and not an anti-ship missile), 16 UVP Silver for Aster missiles, 76 mm cannon, 2 x3 324 mm TA, helicopter. Total 16 CD, 8 anti-ship missiles, 16 missiles
                Russky - 16 UKSK (16 KR 3M14, or PKR 3M54 or PKR 3M55 ONYX), 32 UVP for 9M96 missiles or 4 9M100 missiles instead of one 9M96 missile, 130 mm AU, 2 ZAK PALMA 2x6 30 mm, helicopter, well, and we must not forget that The frigate has the world's only serial PTZ Paket-NK complex. A total of 16 anti-ship missiles or KR, from 32x to 128 missiles, of course, the equipment will be mixed. Yes, the 9M100 rocket, alas, is a reality for you and went into series.

                So ridiculous and illiterate ambitions are about you.
                1. Victor67
                  Victor67 17 July 2020 22: 36
                  -2
                  Well, yes, everything is fine, so much so that even in the USA they made a decision on FREMM for themselves, albeit in the Italian version. And what about Charles de Gaulle? Repairing or in Libya? And how does the Su-33 compare to the Rafal-M?
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 23: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Victor67
                    Well, yes, everything is fine, so much so that even in the USA they made a decision on FREMM for themselves, albeit in the Italian version.

                    So this is obvious to everyone, apparently except you. The Russian USA will not buy the ship project. And so the ship is mastered in the series, the bugs are licked. Silver completely changes to Mk41 if necessary, etc. etc.

                    And what about Charles de Gaulle? Repairing or in Libya?

                    Well, then they kicked business into the sea .... You would have studied the issue of the Turkish fleet and the French and then you would have realized that it wouldn’t come out of half a kick.


                    Quote: Victor67
                    And how does the Su-33 compare to the Rafal-M?

                    It is necessary to compare the comparable. You probably don't know that the Su-33s have been flying in recent years. However, who am I talking to !!!!!!
                    By the way, speaking of service - Su-33 lost 2 at sea, only 5, Rafaley lost 4 over the sea ...
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 23: 47
                      0
                      I don’t remember the fifth generation fighter, there was no engine and there will not be until the age of 5, there is no radar and it’s not known when it will be, so they will build at least one regiment with everything that gives the right to be considered the 25th generation, then hurray you will shout ...


                      You are the same urya, only in the opposite direction, inverted. And you don’t know the elementary.
                      First of all, I remember a 5th generation fighter in Russia. They have already built 11 experimental and pre-production vehicles in Russia. The second serial is already ready. Check carefully so far. Secondly, in the part of the radar, you are lying - Belka went and succeeded. The plane was not launched into production until 19, precisely because Belka could not be accepted then. Thirdly, the available engines are quite enough for the car to have a cruising supersonic sound .... What the F-35 does not have by the way.
                      Fourth, I don't have to shout Hurray. For some reason you are jumping on business and without.
                    2. Victor67
                      Victor67 18 July 2020 00: 00
                      -2
                      Uh-huh, even compare their raid, count how much is lost relative to flight hours, well, or relative to the number of flights ... If all the time of service in the base were stuck on the shore, it would be possible to do without losses at all, well, if only some crane -not dropped on them, really, and I'm telling someone, hurray !!!!!!!! And think about what will replace the 33rd and when, and from what platform it will fly. Just don't talk nonsense about the 57th in the naval version.
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 18 July 2020 00: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Victor67
                        Just don't talk nonsense about the 57th in the naval version.

                        Nonsense and delirium here are carried exclusively by you and no one else .... Yes, and you are jumping like a madman. Why only? I do not understand.

                        to do, well, if only some crane had not dropped on them, indeed, and I'm telling someone, hurray !!!!!!!!

                        The other day the Americans in general burned the UDC (in fact, a light aircraft carrier) and nothing else. And you are clearly not adequate. Heal ...

                        Hooray!!! Goodnight!

                        Clinic....
                      2. Victor67
                        Victor67 18 July 2020 00: 07
                        -1
                        Hooray!!! Goodnight!
    2. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 18 July 2020 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Victor67
      such a number does not work with France, the Turks will be taken out at the same gate right away and will not see what is in NATO

      They can't stand it, the last time France won the First World War. Secondly, I.V. Stalin wrote it to the winners, otherwise the French would sit with the Nazis in Nuremberg. Then there were ingloriously lost wars in Indochina and Algeria. Then purely female throwing from / to NATO. The most combat structure are mercenaries - a foreign legion. a third of the population are Arabs and African Africans. against a surprise attack by the Turks, they have little to oppose, only nuclear weapons.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 18 July 2020 11: 47
        -1
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        the last time France won the First World War. In the second, J.V. Stalin wrote it down as the winner, otherwise the French would sit with the Nazis in Nuremberg. Then there were ingloriously lost wars in Indochina and Algeria.


        I also decided to remember the French wars won in the 20th century ... wassat
        1. Victor67
          Victor67 18 July 2020 17: 18
          -1
          You better remember our won wars in the 20th century: 1905, 1914, 1989, 1996, well, the rest of the little things))) In 1941, in general, they passed along the edge, the minuscule and the Most Holy Theotokos separated us from you, instead of hurray, now Heil shouted before sleep on this site ...
      2. Victor67
        Victor67 18 July 2020 21: 35
        0
        How do you imagine the Turkish attack on France? Are you seriously? Do they come and drop right in Nice? If anything happens to them, it is only at sea, where the Franks of the Turks will unwind in 1 hour with their FREMMs, aircraft carrier and submarines. And on land, in Libya, for example, the same foreign legion will make minced meat from the Turks in a day in the absence of communications of the Turks across the sea, Egypt will also connect there, well, the United States, without them there is nowhere)))
        By the way, what are African Africans? Do they sell in the morning? We have it from 14:00, and I think this is correct, because at 08:43 it is counterproductive to write such shnyaga.
  16. Victor67
    Victor67 17 July 2020 18: 09
    -5
    The French seem like fools, drinking a glass of dry red in the morning, but in fact they demolished Kaduffi without problems in one person, hold half of Africa, have the best industry in the world, here Airbus with branches to military aviation and space, here are the best warships for yourself and the whole world, here Leclerc, parameters unattainable for all countries, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, can be listed for a long time, but the Turks simply have nothing to catch, I didn’t say anything about their nuclear weapons ...
    1. Victor67
      Victor67 17 July 2020 20: 59
      -1
      You can put me a thousand minuses, but this will not change anything in fact, the French industry is completely higher than ours: aircraft building, shipbuilding, the production of drugs, cars, and simply: the standard of living. That is why Turkey or Israel consider it normal to shoot down our planes, knowing that there will be nothing to answer, with the French it would not work.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 July 2020 18: 02
    +2
    The French were afraid of the Turks.
  • VIP
    VIP 17 July 2020 18: 03
    +1
    The United States supports France in its conflict with Turkey "- a wake-up call to the Sultan: hare to fight in Libya. Everyone knows that Saraj without Turkey is zero without a wand ..
    А
    There are now so many interests clashed in Libya. He turned almost like that and left without bells, but what kind of man would want without bells?
  • yfast
    yfast 17 July 2020 19: 23
    -1

    It’s bad when you don’t remember .... and even worse when you don’t know .......

    Remember, you don’t know. Robot Fedor?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 July 2020 21: 08
    0
    The United States has introduced a draft sanctions against Turkey for the purchase of the S400. It is clear that the ears of the military-industrial complex lobbyists are sticking out. Erdogan is clearly not going to like it. Gullen is not given away, some sanctions are being pushed through. The Turk may kick up. Europe will suffer again.
  • agoran
    agoran 17 July 2020 22: 12
    -2
    About Turkish tomatoes. Where are they sold? Can I see a photo?
    I have not seen in the Northwestern Federal District
    About the downed Su-24, there was a planned operation. Tracking along the route, involved by the Israeli radar, according to some reports, was controlled not by a Turk, but by a minke.
    On a / b Inzherlik there were 3000 military units and 5000 servants and their families. Und nuclear warheads.
    After the attempted coup, the Turks banned the amers from flying from the base.
    The presence of amers in Inzherlik has also significantly decreased. .
    The Americans are going to take out the poison. charges, but there are limitations.
    We will see.
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  • jarilosvet
    jarilosvet 17 July 2020 23: 00
    0
    Let's congratulate our partners on the adoption https://warspot.ru/17692-ssha-vooruzhilis-pochti-avianostsem
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 July 2020 04: 12
    0
    spiders in a jar !! ugh, in the "alliance".
  • VIP
    VIP 18 July 2020 13: 56
    +1
    Quote: nPuBaTuP
    I do not remember

    It’s bad when you don’t remember .... and even worse when you don’t know .......
    After all, there is such a thing as the Internet (you just use it) .... and there is Google :))))

    I didn't know what Google was.
    You’ll come here from work, and at home, the wife and daughter have in store a bunch of problems.
    So, when time, I drive the vidos. I recall youth, it is somehow more useful
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 19 July 2020 02: 01
    +1
    This is all snot chewing, not news. Now, if the French, in response to the flashlights, shot at the furry snouts, and those in response, that would be news. And then they are a lantern, and we swear at them. So they "fought".