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Ukraine will conduct its own military exercises in response to the Caucasus-2020

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Ukraine will conduct its own military exercises in response to the Caucasus-2020

In response to Russia's Caucasus 2020 military exercise, scheduled for September this year, Ukraine will conduct its own Joint Efforts 2020 military command and staff exercise with NATO involvement. This was stated by the country's defense minister Andrei Taran.


Speaking in the Verkhovna Rada, Taran said that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine plan to conduct a strategic command-and-staff exercise "United Efforts 2020", which will be a response to the planned Russian large-scale military exercises "Caucasus-2020". It is planned to involve partners from NATO in the exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but it has not yet been determined which countries will be able to join the exercises, plans are only being developed.

Taking into account the accumulation of troops under the pretext of preparing the exercises "Kavkaz-2020", the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are planning at the same time - in the last decade of September - to hold the strategic command-staff exercises "United Efforts-2020"

- said Taran.

According to him, during the exercise, it is planned to "test the ability of the General Staff to act in accordance with NATO standards, as well as the ability to organize interaction with the command posts of the NATO Armed Forces. Also, a check of combat readiness, live firing using anti-aircraft missile systems, military aviation, units of the ground forces. The exercises will take place in the south of Ukraine.

At the same time, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine assured the Rada deputies that the Ministry of Defense of the country "does not observe the real preparation of the Russian Armed Forces for an armed attack on Ukraine" during the Caucasus-2020 exercises.

Meanwhile, Russia began a surprise check of the troops of the Southern and Western military districts, marines and airborne forces in preparation for the Caucasus-2020 exercises, which are scheduled for September this year. In addition to the Russian army, they will be attended by representatives of the armed forces of six members of the SCO and the CSTO.

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  1. Invoce
    Invoce 17 July 2020 12: 36 New
    12
    All these gestures towards NATO will end in tears for Ukraine ...
    1. Cruel beaver
      Cruel beaver 17 July 2020 12: 41 New
      +5
      Well, why? Ukraine makes the fifth point movement and from the West comes an adequate h .... n. Ukraine is happy and everyone laughs. The curtain.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 17 July 2020 12: 53 New
        13
        Ukraine will conduct its own military exercises in response to the Caucasus-2020

        And this is not a teaching at all.

        - Preparation ukroDRG for a sortie at the position of the NM (militia) of the DNI near Zaitsevo, which is near Gorlovka.



        - The detonation of the Estonian mercenary Mikola Ilin, who was part of this group, on an anti-personnel mine.

        1. Skay
          Skay 17 July 2020 13: 26 New
          +3
          ... the Estonian mercenary Mikola Ilin

          - a purebred Estonian.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 17 July 2020 13: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: Skay
            ... the Estonian mercenary Mikola Ilin

            - a purebred Estonian.

            Nikolay Ilyin - Estonian mercenary !!!
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner 17 July 2020 16: 46 New
            0
            They write that the present was driven by Sean Fuller, a US citizen. The earth is glassy to him.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 17 July 2020 18: 30 New
              +2
              This is the first. And the second Ilyin, a former Belarusian, asked for asylum in Estonia.

        2. Same lech
          Same lech 17 July 2020 13: 30 New
          +2
          Video from his smartphone? ...
          It's kind of silly to carry your phone with you on a sortie ... belay
          1. businessv
            businessv 17 July 2020 14: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            It's kind of silly to carry your phone with you on a sortie ...

            Action - helmet camera.
          2. Senka naughty
            Senka naughty 17 July 2020 14: 42 New
            +1
            bonuses are not paid to mercenaries without video reports ..
          3. Insurgent
            Insurgent 17 July 2020 15: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Video from his smartphone? ...
            It's kind of silly to carry your phone with you on a sortie ...

            Quote: businessv
            Action - helmet camera.


            Video filmed,exactly on the phone

            Some photos from the phone of the "ragged" mercenary:









        3. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 July 2020 13: 49 New
          12
          As all the same, your land is packed with "gifts". Good luck to you and your friends. And ukram mines small and large.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 17 July 2020 14: 16 New
            +7
            As all the same, your land is packed with "gifts".

            The front line of the LDNR is dotted with minefields ... and it is very unlikely to go through them with impunity ... I am surprised by the constant attempts of the DRG of Ukraine to step on their own rake again and again. what
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 17 July 2020 14: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: The same Lech
              As all the same, your land is packed with "gifts".

              The front line of the LDNR is dotted with minefields ... and it is very unlikely to go through them with impunity ... I am surprised by the constant attempts of the DRG of Ukraine to step on their own rake again and again. what

              ===
              reconnaissance (sortie) for the sake of reconnaissance (sortie)
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 17 July 2020 14: 38 New
                +1
                Is there enough APU intelligence to fertilize LDN minefields? what
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 17 July 2020 20: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: The same Lech
                  Is there enough APU intelligence to fertilize LDN minefields? what
                  So yes, BUT here it will fly in with a surprise - two 200 citizens of foreign countries - the USA and Estonia. Both countries are members of NATO. The version that is being pushed from the embassies of these states that these two pretzels were there as doctors, due to the DPR’s trophies and material evidence, is clearly not rolling.
                  Do not climb where they do not ask.
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 17 July 2020 14: 36 New
              +1
              This obstinacy should only be welcomed, if only when they did not pass the minefields, they would be whipped up for good. Probably the cheapest way to dispose of ukrovermaht. The devil to help them!
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 17 July 2020 16: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: tralflot1832
            As all the same, your land is packed with "gifts"

            Itself nearly blew up on OZM-72 recourse .
            We were moving forward together to the Ukrop positions, and the comrade in front MIRACLEDLY PASSED THE STRETCH ...
            It should be noted, of course, that the wire sagged pretty much, either from the time or from the negligence of the person who installed the mine, but you could still hook it ...

            I walked behind and noticed standard stretching wire(not an ATGM wire, as is usually practiced) and MEASUREMENT ...
            He called out to the one in front, called him, and showed a "surprise" ... In general, there were no words No.

            P O V E Z L yes
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 17 July 2020 16: 07 New
              +1
              I don’t even know how to say it, probably they were born under a happy star. Good luck, health to you and your relatives and friends !!!
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 17 July 2020 16: 12 New
                +7
                Quote: tralflot1832
                I don’t even know how to say it, probably they were born under a happy star. Good luck, health to you and your relatives and friends !!!

                Thank you yes
                It is difficult to say which of the two of us survived then, "lucky" lol
                After all, shortly after this incident, I was wounded (moderate), and in the summer of the 19th, and my then-partner was severely ...
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 17 July 2020 16: 20 New
                  +2
                  I hope my partner recovered!
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 17 July 2020 16: 23 New
                    +7
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    I hope my partner recovered!

                    Even serves yes .
                    After being wounded, I completed my contract, served another one, and “went to the fourth,” but spat, and left after a few months ...
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 17 July 2020 16: 25 New
                      +1
                      I am happy for both of you !!!
          3. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 17 July 2020 18: 31 New
            0
            It was his mine. They got caught on their own stretch marks.
        4. antivirus
          antivirus 17 July 2020 13: 55 New
          +3
          Carpathians 2020 - that’s right
          1. iouris
            iouris 17 July 2020 20: 28 New
            0
            Without a fight they took the city of Lviv, the whole city passed, and the last street name was read ....
        5. 4ekist
          4ekist 17 July 2020 17: 56 New
          -1
          Speaking in the Verkhovna Rada, Taran said that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to conduct a strategic command and staff exercise "United Efforts 2020"

          The name of the exercise - "Dur @ k-2020" will be just right for the potheads.
    2. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 17 July 2020 13: 11 New
      +8
      Ukraine will hold its own military exercises


      All serviceable ones will be involved in the exercises: 23 tanks, 41 armored personnel carriers and 9 aircraft. Fear Russia, Shoigu - tremble !!!! lol
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 17 July 2020 13: 57 New
        0
        we will not have a single aircraft carrier, and "submarines in the steppes of Ukraine" have remained since 1970 - 27 units
    3. 210ox
      210ox 17 July 2020 13: 13 New
      -4
      Why disastrously? The question of Ukraine's inclusion in NATO is a matter of time. Unless they will be the first to go to the slaughter in case of boiling.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 17 July 2020 13: 21 New
        -1
        Why disastrously?

        Who will take them with a permanent civil war?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 17 July 2020 14: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: strannik1985
          Who will take them with a permanent civil war?

          Turkey, with a permanent war with the Kurds, does not interfere with being a member of NATO. In addition, knowing Western duplicity and double standards, they themselves can make an exception. Both for Ukraine and Georgia.
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 17 July 2020 18: 13 New
            -1
            Turkey, with a permanent war with the Kurds

            Turkey has been a NATO member since 1947, the PKK was established in 1978, and the party has been waging a guerrilla war in the east / southeast of Turkey since 1984.
            Namely, that double standards - to create a hotbed of tension near the borders of the Russian Federation, Ukraine’s accession to NATO is not necessary, rather the opposite.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 17 July 2020 15: 00 New
          -3
          It’s easy. When you need to do disgusting, you can spit on the paragraph of the charter.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 18 July 2020 16: 29 New
          -1
          Heavi needed, more than cannon fodder (robots are ready instead of soldiers)
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        The question of Ukraine's inclusion in NATO is a matter of time.


        I don’t think so. Ukraine will be releasing plans to prepare plans for practicing actions to implement the seven-step preparation for joining NATO. That is, for the next hundred years at least. A kind of carrot that is hung on a twig in front of a donkey's nose ...
      3. doubovitski
        doubovitski 17 July 2020 14: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        Why disastrously? The question of Ukraine's inclusion in NATO is a matter of time. Unless they will be the first to go to the slaughter in case of boiling.

        It seems to me very much that as soon as ... they will immediately have very strong territorial problems. And then NATO aksakals will puzzle over this task.
      4. orionvitt
        orionvitt 17 July 2020 14: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        The question of Ukraine's inclusion in NATO is a matter of time.

        Everything is according to Nasruddin. What will die before. Either Ukraine, or NATO, or the overseas master. I bet on Ukraine.
      5. 4ekist
        4ekist 17 July 2020 17: 59 New
        -1
        They’ll go to a meat grinder, I have no doubt.
    4. Gato
      Gato 17 July 2020 13: 33 New
      +3
      Gee, it's written
      command and staff Exercise "United Efforts 2020"

      All the right ones are busy!

      This type of teaching involves drooling pencils and drawing on maps of your wet fantasies.
      1. halpat
        halpat 17 July 2020 14: 11 New
        -1
        Here is the truth of the verb :))
        They will get together and drink vodka. The best one has already been appointed, I suppose.
        well, maybe the soldiers are twitching, with drunken eyes.
        And all business.
        1. Gato
          Gato 17 July 2020 14: 40 New
          0
          The best one has already been appointed, I suppose.
          well, maybe the soldiers are twitching, with drunken eyes.

          In all KSHU, in which I had to take part, the "blue" (conditional opponent) never ran request
          The advance to the concentration area conventionally depicted a staff bus, although it usually drove to the nearest gendelyk, where the celebration of the epic victory took place
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2020 12: 39 New
    +1
    The main thing is that during the exercises they do not shoot each other. tongue
    1. figwam
      figwam 17 July 2020 12: 46 New
      0
      Again mortars all fag ...
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 July 2020 12: 47 New
      -1
      Shoot a friend, it depends on how the Ukrainians will pour. On the ball do not drink only ulcers and only ulcers!
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 July 2020 12: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The main thing is that during the exercises do not shoot each other

      Why belay ?
      Let them shred and chop shock, "in Stakhanov style" yes
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 17 July 2020 12: 45 New
    +1
    There is nothing to discuss there.
  4. Eldorado
    Eldorado 17 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +1
    How many carts, cavalry, air mattresses will be involved?
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 July 2020 12: 50 New
    +4
    involving NATO countries
    It is true that we have not yet decided who to invite, or rather, they don’t know who will agree. It's one thing to wander around in the Black Sea with a couple of NATO ships and several Ukrainian boats - and another thing to "fight" on the territory of a non-NATO country near the borders of Russia.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      and the other is to "make war" on the territory of a non-NATO country near the borders of Russia.

      NATO members will consider whether to participate or not based on the fact that There will also be ...., live firing with the use of anti-aircraft missile systems, military aviation, ground forces units. The exercises will be held in the south of Ukraine. They understand what can happen with such shooting, and even on the border with Russia. And the limotrophs, those to stall.
  6. Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 17 July 2020 12: 51 New
    +1
    The funny thing is that nobody gave Ukroina any guarantees. Nothing. All these "peace with us", "ameryka will help us" - about nothing. Even if the Budapesh Memorandum, beloved by the khakhels, is nothing but no one cares about it, including the "guarantors", then such slogans are even more so.

    The state of Ukraine is quite good (?), And most importantly - a cheap springboard against Russia.

    In principle, this is the meaning of this "state".
  7. svp67
    svp67 17 July 2020 12: 53 New
    +1
    In response to Russia's Caucasus 2020 military exercises scheduled for September this year, Ukraine will conduct its own Joint Efforts 2020 command-and-staff exercises with NATO involvement.
    Well, where the pop with the censer, there the hell with the poker ...
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 July 2020 12: 54 New
    +3
    Ukraine will conduct its own military command and staff exercises "United Efforts 2020" with the involvement of NATO countries.
    Some are afraid, we need a "sidekick" to help, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 July 2020 13: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Ukraine will conduct its own military command and staff exercises "United Efforts 2020" with the involvement of NATO countries.
      Some are afraid, we need a "sidekick" to help, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

      Here are the hands of the above and are going to fight with us ..
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 July 2020 13: 05 New
      0
      And if no one comes! Will there be KSHU?
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 17 July 2020 13: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Ukraine will conduct its own military command and staff exercises "United Efforts 2020" with the involvement of NATO countries.
      Some are afraid, we need a "sidekick" to help, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

      They need grandmothers from sponsors of the drills.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Balu
        They need grandmothers from sponsors of the drills.

        Well, from these "homies" attendants will not wait. Here, Estonia gave Ukraine a couple of thousand old Soviet PMs and that's enough.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 July 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    Yeah, let them train in the Carpathians to protect the Carpathian forest, because they can't go to the Caucasus.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Yeah, let them train in the Carpathians to protect the Carpathian forest,

      That's right, but vice versa. I read it on the site https://ecology.md
      In Ukraine, there is a total deforestation of the Carpathian forests, which is exported to the EU through Romania. Cutting volumes are only constrained by cross-country through European railway tracks, which are already slightly Ukrainian. But it seems that this "complexity" has already been overcome.
      In March, from the Chernivtsi station, hundreds of wagons of round timber were sent to Romania daily. At least 300 wagons per day went to Europe at the end of the first month of spring, whereas previously they were limited to one train (50 wagons) per week
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      let them train in the Carpathians to protect the Carpathian forest

      And here is the forest of the Carpathians.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 July 2020 14: 07 New
        +1
        The Nazis have nowhere to hide .. it's time to call them to account, sooner or later, but they will be sent to fight with us, so it is better to act in advance ..
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 July 2020 14: 24 New
        +2
        Rafting along the White and Black Cheremosh on a catamaran in the early 80's. The forests around were beautiful and the people were friendly. Probably all this is in the past.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 July 2020 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          The forests around were beautiful and the people were friendly.

          I also took a pedestrian ticket in the early 70s, forests are a fairy tale, an unforgettable vacation, and good people. The last time I visited with my uncle in Lviv and with my classmate in Mukachevo on the Christmas and New Year holidays in 1989, I realized that this was my last visit to Western Ukraine.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 17 July 2020 15: 41 New
            +1
            And as understood, the behavior has changed or what has changed?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 17 July 2020 16: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Ros 56
              And as understood, the behavior has changed or what has changed?

              Behavior and attitude has changed in a negative direction. It was especially evident in the relations of ukrov to the Poles. And even more not the local population, but those who arrived after the war from the eastern regions of Ukraine.
        2. sgapich
          sgapich 17 July 2020 20: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Aviator_
          Rafting along the White and Black Cheremosh on a catamaran in the early 80's. The forests around were beautiful and the people were friendly. Probably all this is in the past.

          Rafted on them, but already in 2004. Along the banks, mainly villages, there were few forests left. hi
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 17 July 2020 20: 53 New
            +1
            I was in 1981 and 1983. A typical episode - I had to sit all night in Chernivtsi, wait for the train to Vyzhnytsya. While dozing on the bench, a bored cop came up, started chatting "why they settled here, why not in the hotel", in general, he was bored. He said that there, in the mountains, the people are completely wild, once a year they go down for salt, and in general there is the Stone Age. It seems that he himself went down and enlisted in the police. And the people there turned out to be very friendly, they brought them on a timber truck right to the beginning of the rafting, and they did not want to take money for delivery.
            1. sgapich
              sgapich 18 July 2020 00: 04 New
              +2
              We also sat, waiting for the train, and also drove us on a timber carrier. The local population is really very friendly. True, after the merger of Black and White at one of the parking lots, they met an unfriendly group with black and red ensign (not local ones), later they learned that the locals had broken them with good lyuli. In Chernivtsi, not far from the T-34 railway station, stood on a pedestal. We were right after May 9th, the foot of the monument was all in colors.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 18 July 2020 10: 36 New
                0
                Tellingly, the T-34-76 was installed there almost immediately, and not later, when they were gone and the T-34-85 began to be installed
                1. sgapich
                  sgapich 18 July 2020 23: 59 New
                  +1
                  Here is a short article about this monument.
                  https://tankist-31.livejournal.com/125809.html
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 19 July 2020 10: 01 New
                    0
                    Thanks for the info.
  10. Alex Belostockij
    Alex Belostockij 17 July 2020 13: 12 New
    +3
    [quote] ... Taran said that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine plan to conduct strategic command and staff exercises ... [/ quote]
    [/ Quote]

    Are the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine two different structures?)
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 13: 32 New
      +3
      Yeah, because the left hand does not know what the right is doing ....
  11. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 17 July 2020 13: 19 New
    0
    and if our EW service makes adjustments to the operation of the navigation systems of the SCO and CSTO units and they overshoot a bit and fall into the twilight territory? laughing
    When the exercises took place in Lembolovo, my navigator showed that I was in the Tambov region. And then bam and Kitatsky units in Kharkov wink
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 17 July 2020 13: 34 New
    0
    Did you take into account the opinion of meteorologists?
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 17 July 2020 13: 34 New
    0
    In Rostov - "panic" and laughter.
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 July 2020 13: 50 New
    +1
    KSHU is, of course, a heroic answer ... Five fools from UKRALINA, Poland, Slovenia, Sprotlandia and Romania will gather, play "goat" on tactical maps, devour lard, drink vodka .. This, of course, is an adequate response to deployment army grouping within the framework of the Young VO ..
  15. CARLSON
    CARLSON 17 July 2020 14: 00 New
    +2
    It’s even scary to imagine what they will conduct in response to naval exercises belay
    1. Gato
      Gato 17 July 2020 14: 47 New
      +1
      what will they do in response to naval exercises

      The same as in response to the land - just a little more fishing. lol
  16. +5
    +5 17 July 2020 15: 19 New
    0
    Well, okay. I myself will build myself a Lunar Module ... only better ... with blackjack and women with reduced social responsibility ... (c) Robot Bender ...
    KSHU ... powerful ... only NATO is not aware of it yet ... but I think Poland will send a couple of majors with laptops ... Ukrainian women with reduced social responsibility are cheaper in Kiev than in Warsaw ... dudes will walk
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 July 2020 16: 52 New
    0
    And what are the Ukrainian teachings called? I propose to call it "Drapmarsh to the West".
  18. Fitter65
    Fitter65 17 July 2020 17: 49 New
    0
    Ukraine will conduct its own military command and staff exercises "United Efforts 2020" with the involvement of NATO countries.
    Well, from Ukraine there will be a couple of expired Su-27s, one Mi-14 that has repeatedly undergone reincarnation (overhaul), a couple of freshly painted An-26s, and 3-4 "bucephalus". They will drive up to the Dneprovsky Estuary, so that from Odessa it is not far away to drive a couple of armored boats, with a tug, they will shoot 3-4 mortars, well, there are still 6 people from the Mi-8 that turned the screws in the parking lot, they will jump out-like captured the airfield ... Guests from NATO (Poles, Romanians, hesitant) will pat enthusiastically, say: "You need to join NATO!" and leave. All the exercises of the best army (World, Europe, Eastern Europe, Ukraine, underline the necessary) are over ... good laughing
  19. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 18: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Boris Afinogenov
    The state of Ukraine is quite good (?), And most importantly - a cheap springboard against Russia.
    In principle, this is the meaning of this "state".

    So for this, Ukraine does not need to be included in NATO, from a word in general, moreover, you can always leave the topic ..
  20. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 17 July 2020 19: 08 New
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    Quote: strannik1985
    Who will take them with a permanent civil war?

    Turkey, with a permanent war with the Kurds, does not interfere with being a member of NATO. In addition, knowing Western duplicity and double standards, they themselves can make an exception. Both for Ukraine and Georgia.

    the war with the Kurds does not drag a border dispute with it ... the Kurds do not have a state ... Ukraine HAS and will HAVE a "border dispute" ... and then they have 2 ways ... but for now they will reconcile with one to join in NATO, another ... dispute may arise ... in another area
  21. zwlad
    zwlad 17 July 2020 19: 36 New
    0
    No matter how these, from the outskirts, were again knocked down.
  22. Clone
    Clone 17 July 2020 21: 04 New
    0
    Do not grow up. It is easier for them to hand checkers overseas on their knees than to think about their own Slavic dignity. , just as my grandfather once said, an old Kuban grunt.
  23. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 July 2020 21: 27 New
    0
    Clown in power, clowns in the APU. For them, the main thing is to learn to give up.