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The new CZ P-10 M subcompact gun: features and benefits

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2020 New World Rifle weapons - gun CZ P-10 M (Micro). Compact and lightweight, it seems to gain popularity among fans of such weapons.


CZ P-10 M is another product of the Czech company Česká Zbrojovka, which is known for such pistols as CZ P-10 F and CZ P-10 C. But if the CZ P-10 F is a full-size service pistol, then the CZ P-10 M differs where less weight and size, which does not make it a less effective weapon. The gun was created on the basis of the same technology that was used to create the CZ P-10 F and CZ P-10 C.

Its features are a polymer handle, a single-row magazine for 7 rounds. Since the gun is very thin, it can be much easier to hide than full-size service pistols. The gun weighs only 630 g (without cartridges), barrel length - 85 mm, caliber - 9 mm. The pistol has a frame with replaceable rear pads, a pre-cocked trigger with an interceptor.

Despite its miniature size, the gun retains all the advantages of the P-10 line. Due to the hidden bolt delay and convenient descent, the R-10 M becomes indispensable for hidden wearing and quick use.

The features of the pistol also include a non-protruding barrel muzzle, frontal bevels for placing the pistol in a holster, a removable mechanical sight from adjustable rear sight and front sight. The pillar has a square sighting window with two side indicators in the form of dots.


The undoubted advantage of the gun can also be called a comfortable grip, removable palm pads arrow, anti-slip front section of the trigger guard with a stopper, the ability to automatically lock the hammer. The gun itself is made of high-quality materials, has a durable coating that protects the weapon from damage.

Browser Stefan Perey believes that the new Czech pistol will take its rightful place among his “colleagues” such as GLOCK 43, 43X or 48. Such a pistol is perfect not only for carrying out operational tasks, which require hidden carrying weapons, but also for ordinary ordinary self-defense citizens. Therefore, experts already call the Czech novelty a real find for lovers of compact weapons.

Regarding the prospects on the market, one can make a forecast that due to its low cost combined with good characteristics, such a gun will be widely used in mass sales in those countries where firearms are allowed.

Here, by the way, is the use of the pistol in question in the video:

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  1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 17 July 2020 10: 26
    +1
    Many special forces of the world are armed with weapons of the Czech Republic, they are not inferior to the German ones, but cheaper
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 17 July 2020 10: 32
      +3
      The pistols all looked alike to each other. There is no individuality. He reminds me of a Sig Sig. The same cut on the shutter frame.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 17 July 2020 10: 57
        +3
        Quote: vkl.47
        The pistols all looked alike to each other. There is no individuality. He reminds me of a Sig Sig. The same cut on the shutter frame.

        Stylish recognizable design is important only for civilian owners who are "for the soul". And this problem, in general, is solved by tuning and other customizations.
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy 17 July 2020 11: 37
      +5
      Yes, our people for the most part will soon forget which side the pistol is taken from)) I’m already silent about such "subtleties" as a fuse and reset of the slide delay)))
      1. Aag
        Aag 17 July 2020 19: 29
        +1
        Quote: awdrgy
        Yes, our people for the most part will soon forget which side the pistol is taken from)) I’m already silent about such "subtleties" as a fuse and reset of the slide delay)))

        IMHO: a good gun should not matter which side it is taken from, and with which hand, left or right! It’s good if the adversary (opponent) is still most difficult to use in close contact combat.
        Well, and if I understand you correctly, then yes! Your personal, full-time (there are nuances) weapons need not to know, they should be ... part of the user's organism, the individual))).
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 July 2020 19: 59
      0
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      Many special forces of the world are armed with weapons of the Czech Republic, they are not inferior to the German ones, but cheaper

      The main weapon of "many of the world's special forces" is a full-fledged machine gun. Do Czechs have a lot of such weapons in production? laughing
  2. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 17 July 2020 10: 26
    -1
    It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 July 2020 10: 35
      +8
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

      First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out. Then they get behind the wheel and call themselves gods, and give him more weapons?
      1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 17 July 2020 10: 37
        -9
        Bullshit is everything
      2. Kalmar
        Kalmar 17 July 2020 11: 01
        +6
        Quote: Starover_Z
        First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out. Then they get behind the wheel and call themselves gods, and give him more weapons?

        Where does such a desire of a Russian person come from to be somehow inadequate? Well that is yes, it is clear that a certain percentage of eccentrics with the letter "mu-" are always present, but this is so in any population. Even while driving, the majority behaves quite adequately, and to be equal to individual alternatively gifted individuals, in my opinion, is somehow wrong.
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 17 July 2020 11: 18
          -2
          Well, where does the wind always blow from us-from those who consider themselves better than Russian people
      3. frog
        frog 17 July 2020 11: 43
        -4
        It makes no sense to explain these obvious things to these sufferers. People have a bzik, not even a bzik, but a bzik, sho they are inferior without a piece of iron - and let them .....
        For all that
        For all that
        Though he’s all in poses,
        The log will remain a log
        And in orders, and in ribbons!
        Uncle Burns was right ....
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 17 July 2020 12: 15
          +2
          The weapon is good when it is and it will be bad for someone who does not have it at the right time, almost from the movie))
          1. frog
            frog 17 July 2020 12: 21
            +4
            To be honest, I’m fed up saying the obvious so many times. Of course, not for you, sorry))) But ....
            Take an interest in the statistics of law enforcement in cases of, conditionally, legal weapons of self-defense. You will be pleasantly surprised lol
            You need to be able to handle what you own. And this, believe me, is not cheap)))) It is unlikely that most of those who, sorry, play short-barrel, in the past were related to its use. Those who are usually immune repeat
            And if someone is seriously ill with this iron - then he already has it, again, there are places to be shooting clubs and shooting ranges .....
            A weapon can be anything, even an absolutely legal newspaper, or a no less legitimate fountain pen wink
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 17 July 2020 12: 51
              +5
              Quote: frog
              Take an interest in the statistics of law enforcement in cases of, conditionally, legal weapons of self-defense. You will be pleasantly surprised

              These are already features of the Russian law enforcement system. A tradition has developed: if someone was shot, the shooter must sit down. And whether he defended there or not is a secondary matter. Therefore, launching a weapon is only worthwhile when the alternatives are even worse (kill, for example).

              Quote: frog
              You need to be able to handle what you own

              The FBI statistics came across the eye, according to which, in about 80% of cases of self-defense with weapons, it didn’t come to use. Those. the criminal attack was suppressed simply by a demonstration of a weapon and a warning shot. This trick is easy to teach. And yes, I agree, you need to learn.
              1. frog
                frog 17 July 2020 13: 08
                +1
                These are already features of the Russian law enforcement system.

                I'm furiously sorry, but I'm not very interested in the peculiarities of the law enforcement of Côte d'Ivoire request As well as others ...... I am much more interested in domestic constables, prosecutors and others ..... law enforcement officers. For I am here. But I am a little familiar with the peculiarities of local guardians, that's why I say so. Moreover, if a certain conditional scoundrel naughty from the legally existing injury and dumped him - no one will look for him especially. if the judge’s nephew is hurt, well, or some other analogy will happen .... But the citizen who has legally built everything — will bear the responsibility ....
                The FBI statistics came across the eye, according to which, in about 80% of cases of self-defense with weapons, it didn’t come to use. Those. the criminal attack was suppressed simply by a demonstration of a weapon and a warning shot. This trick is easy to teach. And yes, I agree, you need to learn.

                I can say it again - with all due respect to the G-mans, somehow it doesn’t really touch me. We have our own strong traditions, alas. In addition, firing into the air is no longer easy. In addition, the brow must still manage to get the barrel, charge and hit, no one accidentally .... depressed. And do it all quickly, otherwise they’ll take away laughing A couple of times it was possible to remove pukalki from such ...... machoids .... So the presence of iron is an illusion, nothing more. In addition, with the legalization of the short-barrel it will be a lot, both legally acquired (see the latest news)))), and stolen from any ....... sufferers lol And the chance that an ordinary citizen runs into a dunce with a trunk grows. as well as the chance to get shuffled completely by accident ..... I have nothing against the actual hardware, but here are the realities ...... I had enough, alas ....
                And finally ... No gadgets give any guarantees. Warranties are provided by law, if enforced. But this is not for us.
              2. Aag
                Aag 17 July 2020 19: 50
                +2
                I partly agree with you. But, a no less authoritative opinion is spread (and I partly, rather, share it situationally): I took out the barrel, shoot me! It’s more relevant for short-barrels (I’m saying, I’ll clarify about self-defense weapons).
                At the same time, I can not disagree with the already expressed opinion about the abundance of inadequate. Especially on the roads. What to shoot everyone? I'm not ready, for a number of reasons. Although, some really want to!)) ..
                Permits for weapons (for various purposes) are acquired from us in various ways, like in a military unit. I would not like to get into the wilds, but, the problem is system ...
          2. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 16: 06
            -1
            Note that criminals are not born on the moon, they are from ordinary people, not aliens, ordinary people will have more trunks, there will be more crimes with trunks. For me, it’s better to crush your head with your fists until it cools, than shoot it once, there are more chances for the prospect after the fists.
      4. Same lech
        Same lech 17 July 2020 14: 00
        0
        First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out.

        For a long time, people will have to be taught this ... although I agree to issue weapons permits to people with an unstable psyche is not the best option ... but how can I find out 100% who can and who cannot own weapons?
      5. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 17: 09
        0
        People with weapons will always figure it out, the problem is that some of these people become criminals anyway, give the guns, the consequences will be harder for everyone. The desire to balance the forces is not clear, a general solution does not solve this issue. This is decided personally by the weak, they go into sports fighting, or else they can, they take revenge tough and targeted, for every dirty trick, so that other invitees and those who don’t want to rate the bet, it’s also possible that the child who is scared can remember well - not monkeys, literate.
      6. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 17 July 2020 17: 22
        +2
        First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give it out.

        One of the standard (apparently it is written in the manual) quotes of a hoplofob. Where, who, when did they talk about "giving out" weapons to citizens? Only specifically, without "water".
        PS. Smooth and rifled now what, already give out? Tell me where and how much in one hand? laughing
      7. Doliva63
        Doliva63 17 July 2020 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

        First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out. Then they get behind the wheel and call themselves gods, and give him more weapons?

        So why not teach and do not give out? laughing But seriously, the percentage of inadequate was high before, but the cars were less accessible. It's easy now! And the percentage of these inadequate driving, of course, is growing. But it's just, like, a vehicle. Weapons are another matter. Here it is worth issuing permits only to those who have used this weapon for, say, 10 years and have not had any complaints - cops, military men, VOKhR members, finally. Thus, weapons will begin to enter the masses, but in the hands of "reliable people", so to speak. And there will appear the practice of application, etc. You just need to start. drinks
      8. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 17 July 2020 21: 02
        +3
        Yuri, since 1953 in the USSR hunting smooth-bore weapons were sold in shops quite freely, like bicycles, and "small things" in a sporting goods store, like clubs or balls. But the "lafa" did not last long, from 1959 it again had to become a "hunter" and then only prohibitions and bans ... And in the end - the USSR was destroyed not by the "owners of illegal guns" - but by the former "members" of the Central Committee, there were always militants in Chechnya armed with army weapons, no prohibitions helped in these cases.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 17 July 2020 10: 52
      +4
      Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
      It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia


      Specifically, with a short-barreled - yes, in any way (injuries do not count). Although it is quite possible to shoot in the shooting range.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 17 July 2020 11: 29
        +2
        Or you have a big family, you work a lot but you earn little and for 10 (or even more This is income per family member per month!) From funds for food discarded on iron and time spent on study, etc. you can expect such delights as debts a quarrel with his wife (or even a divorce) And besides, the excessive attention of law enforcement agencies all the delights of storage (including their financial part) Well, if you do not have your own home, then this is generally a "song" In short, if you add points "A" to this "B" "C" "D" then the percentage of the population will turn out to be slightly less than 60-70 percent, we add pacifists and those who have service Voila!
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 17 July 2020 11: 47
          +5
          Quote: awdrgy
          Or you have a big family, you work a lot but earn little

          Wait a minute, this is not about "forbidden", but about "no denyak". I too, maybe I want a new LandCruiser from the salon, but I don’t have that kind of money - doesn’t it mean that "Kruzaks" are prohibited in Russia?

          Again, hunting is more than captivity, and in the secondary market you can find weapons and related products (the same safes) for quite sane money.

          And we still do not remember that the population is very actively buying the same cars, whose cost (purchase and subsequent maintenance) is more than ten times.

          Quote: awdrgy
          And besides the excessive attention of law enforcement all the delights of storage

          In the couple of years that I kept weapons at home, the law enforcement authorities never showed any attention to me. The charms of storage come down to a locked safe.

          Quote: awdrgy
          get a percentage of the population a little less than more than 60-70 percent add pacifists and those who have an official Voila! - consider no weapons on hand

          In fairness, I note that among those who have no, there is a very large proportion of those who simply do not need or are not interested. As well as those who would not mind to get hold of, but too lazy to collect information. In general, a much more significant factor, in my opinion, is the lack of normal shooting ranges (partly, however, due to the small number of the target audience - a vicious circle).
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 17 July 2020 12: 04
            +2
            Quite rightly noted, if there is no money for Kruzak (more precisely, for its content), then it is forbidden to you. Just a method of prohibiting another "soft" so to speak From the same topic about "laziness" These guys have already died out mainly in the 90s and 0 -x there are still "dinosaurs" who do not make the weather Now only "it is necessary" and "is there a possibility" (read time and money) If this is not the case, then we have a "soft" ban About storage, your experience is not an indicator for us, for example, and they came to check trauma and note the safe should be in the room, and most families (well, let's say a large percentage) do not have this very room, but rent it (without registration in it) As for the price, it’s yes, you can weld a safe, you can buy it again if you have time and opportunities In the circle in which I communicate, even this is a problem that is not solved in one day or even in a week Although I agree there are "valleys of the poor" where I suspect such issues are generally resolved by phone call It's all about the percentage of the population, which I wrote above By the way, here you can about to draw an interesting parallel with demography (though not related to the topic) Well, 10% of the population does not give birth to more than 90 for physiological and psychological reasons. Very similar to a "soft" ban, but that's another topic
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 17 July 2020 12: 24
              +3
              Quote: awdrgy
              if there are no funds for Kruzak (more precisely, all the same for its maintenance) then it is forbidden to you

              Still, it is not prohibited, but inaccessible. If you scrape money, they will gladly sell it to me. But, for example, a pistol or an army machine gun - no, no matter how much money is brought (I'm talking about the legal option, of course); here they are prohibited.

              Quote: awdrgy
              Regarding storage, your experience is not an indicator

              Of my acquaintances who own weapons, they did not come to anyone. It, of course, depends on the region and the adequacy of the inspection bodies, but in general they only go when there is hope to find something.

              Quote: awdrgy
              Now only "it is necessary" and "is there a possibility" (read time and money)

              Well, this concerns any hobby. For the same fishing, too, time and money are needed. There is no arguing against the laws of physics: for it to arrive in one place, it must go down in another.

              And so, the majority of interests, apparently, are still different; they don't "need". Good or bad is a separate question. It is only clear that even if each Russian family acquires its own housing and a decent income, the rush demand for weapons will most likely not arise anyway.
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 17 July 2020 12: 46
                0
                Here we have a dispute between physicists and lyricists I'm about prohibited and inaccessible (philosophical dispute, so to speak) because some reason makes it inaccessible as well as forbidden - a natural or social factor which is controlled or not controlled Do not manage - not available manage - prohibited Management can be different and the person who sold the latter, for the sake of the machine, is just as antisocial as a criminal just in his own way (of course, he is an exception (or an error) in the calculations of the one who controls) And therefore, in this case, we still have a ban (just according to different rules) Note that if you are a person who has the opportunity buy an expensive car and keep it, then obviously you can have an automatic machine only for this you have to buy it in the country where it is allowed which will require no more than the availability of funds True, new rules of the "game" and the related concepts of "homeland" "citizenship" "etc. T e new prohibitions and opportunities But being able to live for 500 years is not forbidden, but not available But for natural reasons I agree with you that there will be no rush demand. By and large, our people have already been knocked down by "passionarity", so to speak. In society, even the "fear of weapons"
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 17 July 2020 12: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: awdrgy
                  Here we have a dispute between physicists and lyricists

                  Yes, I probably should have synchronized the terminology. I talked about the legal possibility in our particular country. Those. what a person, in principle, can have / do according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Accordingly, "prohibited" is prohibited by law.

                  I don’t see any reason to talk about other countries; it’s clear that there are places on the globe where laws are generally advisory in nature, and you can even ride on a tank with a machine gun in your arms if there were money.

                  Quote: awdrgy
                  The society even has a "fear of weapons"

                  This tendency is a fact, and it is sad. There is a suspicion that it is artificially cultivated by individuals to earn political points according to the "think up a problem - sell a solution" scheme. However, this is already a topic for a separate discussion.
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 17 July 2020 17: 02
              +3
              Quote: awdrgy
              As for storage, your experience is not an indicator here, for example, we came to check the trauma and note that the safe should be in the room, and most families (well, or say a large percentage) do not have this room but take it off (without registration in it)

              Well, I have already 12 years of experience with a firearm, 5 trunks on my hands - so what? Once a year, the district police officer comes in, looks at the safe, and I sign the inspection certificate. You know - somehow it’s not very annoying .. As for shooting - but where does it say that weapons are necessarily at the place of registration? You just need to notify the authorities of the actual residence, that's all. I don’t see any problems ..
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 17 July 2020 20: 06
                0
                Just once a year, it comes in just to notify the authorities just to buy (make) a safe just to unlearn it just to collect certificates just to save up money (but this is okay debatable question) (somewhere the remaining hour until the morning) A fairy tale from childhood) but there seems to be no hour left (
          2. Aag
            Aag 17 July 2020 20: 12
            +1
            [Quote] [/ quote]
            You raised an interesting question. I'm talking about shooting ranges. Legislatively, the circle narrows. Formally, without breaking the law, there’s nowhere to shoot. Well, or, if you want, you can’t afford it .. (again, the population gap in income level! -Social stratification ....?) As a child, he liked to go to a hunting store fishermen. The men there are interesting, for me, the kid, they worked ... And the prices for commissioned single-barrels started from ten (!) rubles ...
    3. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 17 July 2020 13: 34
      -1
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

      Found something to regret.
    4. Keldysh Mstislav
      Keldysh Mstislav 17 July 2020 13: 54
      +1
      In Russia, weapons are not prohibited! In Russia it is forbidden to defend with weapons!
    5. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 July 2020 20: 00
      -1
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

      And here I agree! drinks
  3. BAI
    BAI 17 July 2020 10: 28
    +1
    We (in Russia) also have a compact gun. Under the small caliber cartridge. He held in his hands, but forgot the brand. Carry in your pocket is very convenient. Small and light. With PM can not be compared.
    1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 17 July 2020 10: 38
      0
      PSM called
      1. BAI
        BAI 17 July 2020 10: 52
        +2

        Exactly, he. Thank.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 17 July 2020 10: 55
      0
      Quote: BAI
      We (in Russia) also have a compact gun. Under the small caliber cartridge.

      PSM?
  4. Simfy
    Simfy 17 July 2020 10: 42
    -2
    not far he went from pmm
  5. BARKAS
    BARKAS 17 July 2020 10: 46
    +6
    As a child, I remember holding a trophy little Browning grandfather in my hands, even singled out one cartridge, it was inconvenient to shoot because of the large staple, the handle was small even for a child’s hand.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 July 2020 11: 44
    +1
    The compact S&W looks more smart for my taste.
    "American" is slightly thinner and cheaper.
    R.S. And there are no terrible vertical grooves making the weapon look like a file. Specialists, explain why they were made. To lighten the gun?
  7. Avior
    Avior 17 July 2020 11: 47
    +1
    the gun is perfect not only for performing operational tasks, which require the hidden carrying of weapons, but also for ordinary self-defense of ordinary citizens.

    Weapons for self-defense for ordinary civilians, but in my opinion, it should be as compact and light as possible, otherwise it’s just to be boring, and at the right time it will not be with you
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 17 July 2020 17: 05
      +2
      otherwise just wear tired
      No, here the question is in equipment .. If a comfortable holster or bag - why not wear something? I've been dragging Thunderstorm-03 for a long time, she’s nee ChZ-75, nothing really annoying ..
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 July 2020 19: 20
        +1
        Your personal example is your personal example.
        An ordinary person, if he is not looking for adventure, will need a gun for self-defense, maybe in 10 years, or maybe never.
        Or maybe in a week. No one knows. The average person at first constantly vilifies, then in special cases, then throws it, because to wear bulging almost a kilogram of metal - why does he need it, does nothing happen?
        Pocket is much lighter and more compact, more comfortable to wear, less inconvenience, which means it is more likely that he will be with him at the right time
  8. Avior
    Avior 17 July 2020 11: 50
    0
    Such a gun is perfect not only for carrying out operational tasks, which require the hidden carrying of weapons, but also for ordinary self-defense of ordinary citizens.

    It’s normal for operatives, but for a civilian it should be as compact and lightweight as possible, and you’ll get tired of it, and at the right time it just won’t be with you



  9. beeper
    beeper 17 July 2020 12: 09
    +1
    I would not say that this Czech pistol is so thin and compact, and its protruding, hooked sights are not for hidden wearing on the body!
    Rather, it is possible to wear something quasi "secretly" (among completely naive and blind ordinary people, bandits and law enforcement officers), but it may not work out quickly "on occasion"! yes
    What kind of "quick use" is there if this "compact pistol" only has grandiose "angles" (including supposedly "bevels" smile ) and "hooks" of the same "full-size pistol", which greatly simplify the production and significantly reduce the costs of the gunsmiths themselves, but completely UNSATISFACTORY (quite expensive, + the trade margin of intermediaries and the store sold to "end consumers"!) "advertised" requirements ?? ! smile

    Of course, in comparison with its "full-size" counterpart, it can be considered "compact", but "on the pocket" such a "brick" is not very much vilified, even tucked in the most inconspicuous place behind the back (usually in the notch near the priests, and on the back behind the neck you definitely cannot adapt it and you cannot quickly grab it!). wink
    This Czech "compact pistol" from the cycle: "And you tell me that your pistol is compact!" - certainly not for the "needs" advertised by ChZet! request
    Indeed, truly compact pistols (even under the .0.45 caliber) are not of the same shape and should be and are not of this shape, do the Czechs really know this (and if they do, then why are they trying to deceive respectable enthusiastic consumers of their "pistol products" with advertising "tales "about the alleged" compactness "and" secrecy of wearing "this" device "?!) ?! smile
    IMHO
    1. Aag
      Aag 17 July 2020 20: 23
      +1
      I apologize, nah ... why should weapons of this class and aiming devices be used in principle? To amuse an inexperienced user? -Marketing? To maximize, simplify, automate automation! ... Well, and protection "from the fool", to the maximum!
  10. makasan34
    makasan34 17 July 2020 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: vkl.47
    The pistols all looked alike to each other. There is no individuality. He reminds me of a Sig Sig. The same cut on the shutter frame.

    in the modern world there is no individuality at all; everything is stealing from each other
  11. Keldysh Mstislav
    Keldysh Mstislav 17 July 2020 14: 00
    +3
    Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Many special forces of the world are armed with weapons of the Czech Republic, they are not inferior to the German ones, but cheaper

    The most popular service pistol manufactured in the Czech Republic is the CZ 75. They are not shy about copying it in Switzerland. Our intelligence agencies also love him.
  12. Keldysh Mstislav
    Keldysh Mstislav 17 July 2020 14: 10
    +2
    Quote: Starover_Z
    Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

    First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out. Then they get behind the wheel and call themselves gods, and give him more weapons?

    But imagine that the police, in Russia, are forbidden to carry personal, service weapons outside the service. Only operas and a special report for a while. The same applies to officers of the FSB, GRU, etc.
    The same applies to the Rosgvardeytsev. And it doesn’t matter that they shoot 3 rounds at a dash every week. They carry pistols during the shift. Know the instructions, laws and regulations. Regularly pass tests on knowledge of application and use ... I served 7 years.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 July 2020 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Keldysh Mstislav
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      It’s a pity that weapons are prohibited in Russia

      First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out. Then they get behind the wheel and call themselves gods, and give him more weapons?

      But imagine that the police, in Russia, are forbidden to carry personal, service weapons outside the service. Only operas and a special report for a while. The same applies to officers of the FSB, GRU, etc.
      The same applies to the Rosgvardeytsev. And it doesn’t matter that they shoot 3 rounds at a dash every week. They carry pistols during the shift. Know the instructions, laws and regulations. Regularly pass tests on knowledge of application and use ... I served 7 years.

      I did not understand about GRU officers - did they serve in a unit (in one of the Main Directorates) of the General Staff, what for did they need a gun? belay To shoot back? laughing
  13. Keldysh Mstislav
    Keldysh Mstislav 17 July 2020 14: 21
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    Quote: BAI

    Exactly, he. Thank.

    This small, light and flat pistol is not loved by those for whom it was designed. The reason is the very poor stopping effect of the small-bore cartridge. The caliber of his pointed bullet is 5,45mm. Cartridge with a bottle-shaped sleeve.
  14. senima56
    senima56 17 July 2020 14: 26
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    When will our PL-15 (PL-15K) already appear in the troops ?! It's time! It is high time!
  15. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 16: 32
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    For the military, he’s frail, it’s much better to have an APS, they can even break their heads in battle, the neighbor easily goes into hand-to-hand fighting, after that he will shoot, and so he shoots well for two hundred meters. Of course, plastic imports are more convenient for constant wear. Wearing by wearing, and a fight is a fight.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 July 2020 20: 42
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      Quote: Andrey.AN
      For the military, he’s frail, it’s much better to have an APS, they can even break their heads in battle, the neighbor easily goes into hand-to-hand fighting, after that he will shoot, and so he shoots well for two hundred meters. Of course, plastic imports are more convenient for constant wear. Wearing by wearing, and a fight is a fight.

      And what, PM breaks head worse? wassat And shoot 200 meters from a pistol - where is this? Along the street? laughing APS - the weapon of driver mechanics and similar specialists (if you know who they are) - a sub-automatic and re-gun, replaced by the AKS-74U. In my time, in the army, he could only be found in special forces brigades; in separate companies, special forces refused him. drinks
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 20: 53
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        PM breaks his head no worse, shoots worse.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 17 July 2020 21: 07
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          Quote: Andrey.AN
          PM breaks his head no worse, shoots worse.

          At a distance of up to 20 m, not worse at all. And for a long range there is an automatic. To each his own, as they say laughing No, I also liked the APS in my youth - it looked like AKMS-H2 with a nightlight and PBS - brutal, like laughing And really PM - "for the eyes", but weighs less and almost does not take up space. And by the way, time has put everything in its place - there is no APS, but the PM is still running laughing
          And yes! If you have an APS in your arsenal, then you also carry an APS with an "automatic" - in, ambush! laughing drinks
          1. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 21: 09
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            Maybe the world has set it up, the war can rearrange it, if it is not the wearing comfort that is more important, but the result in battle.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 18 July 2020 19: 23
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              Quote: Andrey.AN
              Maybe the world has set it up, the war can rearrange it, if it is not the wearing comfort that is more important, but the result in battle.

              It's not about wearing comfort at all, if that. Excuse me, did you serve in the army?
      2. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 20: 59
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        Whatever you say, the APS is not much inferior to the AKSU, neither in accuracy nor in aiming distance, if with a butt, neither in stopping action, nor in breaking through protection.
  16. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 17: 18
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    I would like for civilians and other competitors not to mix civilians into their games in the dark, a barrel of honey with a piece of shit is already all - shit.
  17. L-39NG
    L-39NG 17 July 2020 21: 44
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    Adequate or not adequate, a difficult question. It depends on what is considered adequate in the environment in which a person grows and is brought up. We are allowed and therefore have several short and long houses, and sometimes it helps. A few years ago in Prague, he asked a Romanian gypsy - a pickpocket to crawl out crawling, on the steps, from the tram, under the trunk. He passed it, alive, into the hands of the police, although the finger could tremble. There were many witnesses, I had to reassure the people who stumbled about that reptile in the bustle.
    God willing, they will not take away the right to own weapons, otherwise the government and the president will need to be changed.
  18. certero
    certero 19 July 2020 01: 59
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    Quote: Starover_Z
    First you need to teach people to control themselves and weapons, and then give them out.

    How tired of such statements. in Moldova and throughout the Baltics, it is allowed to carry a pistol, but in Russia what special people live?
    Actually, you can buy an assault rifle in the shape of a saiga from us quite simply. Which can be done much more than a gun.