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Prospective electronic warfare systems in Russia: what is replacing Krasukhe-4

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Prospective electronic warfare systems in Russia: what is replacing Krasukhe-4

Russia has achieved some success in creating electronic warfare systems. The importance of electronic warfare in modern warfare is difficult to overestimate; these systems differ in a variety of applications: from suppressing remotely undermined IEDs and disrupting enemy communications to fighting air defense systems or aviation the adversary.


As you know, in Russia, a world leader in the field of electronic warfare, several manufacturers are involved in the production of these systems, such as the Radioelectronic Technologies concern (KRET), the Roselectronika holding company, the Almaz-Antey concern, and the Defense Systems group of companies. as well as private companies.

Among the electronic warfare systems, there are ground-based systems, as well as aircraft and ship. Today we are going to look at the Krasukha-4 ground-based mobile electronic warfare system from KRET and its successors.

Beauty-4



"Kraukha-4" is a 1RL 257 mobile electronic warfare system designed to suppress radar stations installed on enemy aircraft and helicopters at ranges up to 300 km. The complex detects and analyzes the signal coming from the enemy’s object, after which it puts powerful interference if necessary, preventing the enemy’s radar from detecting targets and aiming high-precision weapons at them. The capabilities of a broadband active jamming station allow you to effectively deal with all modern radar stations used on aircraft of various types.

The first production complexes of the electronic warfare Krasukha-4 entered the troops in 2013. Machines are manufactured at the Bryansk Electromechanical Plant.

Due to secrecy, the true characteristics of Krasukha-4 are known only to developers and military personnel who use this equipment. However, from open sources we know that the complex analyzes the types of signals and ensures the influence on the radar of a likely adversary of the most powerful intellectual-interference radiation. EW stations begin to be embedded in the enemy’s secure communication system and are engaged in the distortion of signals transmitted and received by flying command centers. As a result, enemy aircraft are deprived of the ability to detect targets and aim high-precision weapons on them. The range of the "Krasukha-4" reaches 300 km.

The complex consists of two cars on the KamAZ 8X8 chassis. The equipment of the complex allows transmitting radio signals without self-limitation in azimuths and corners of places.

However, the development of electronic warfare systems does not stand still and the Krasuha-4 electronic warfare complex has been replaced by a new complex.

"Krasuha-2O"



The development of a new electronic warfare complex in KRET was announced back in 2014. As stated by the first deputy general director Igor Nasenkov, the holding conducts R&D to improve existing and develop new electronic warfare equipment. In particular, the Krasukha-4 system is being replaced by the development of a more powerful, complex, and ground-based complex resistant to enemy influence.

And so, on July 13 of this year, Russian media reported that the Russian army began to receive a modernized version of the Krasukha-2O electronic warfare system. As stated, the new complex as it enters the troops will replace Krasukha-4.

The characteristics of the complex are classified, only some parameters are known: the radius of the complex is 400 km, that is, 100 km more than Krasukha-4. The main objective of the new complex will be the American "AWACS", providing target designation for combat aircraft, including for fifth-generation fighters F-22 and F-35. Active interference induced by the complex blocks the radiation of the powerful AWACS radar, preventing it from seeing targets and directing attack aircraft at them.

It is emphasized that during the exercises, the Krasukha-2O electronic warfare system confidently detected the Russian AWACS A-50U and "drowned" it. In its characteristics, the A-50U is similar to the American E-3 Sentry.

The new complex was created on the all-terrain chassis BAZ-6910-022 8X8. Unlike the EW complex "Krasuha-4", consisting of two cars, the entire complex "Krasuha-2O" is placed in one car. A Yaroslavl turbodiesel with a capacity of 40 hp is installed on a 500-ton machine. The machine easily overcomes a 30-meter ditch and ford, a 80-degree climb, the speed on the highway is 15 km / h, a thousand kilometers pass without refueling. The deployment time of the complex in combat position is XNUMX minutes.

The Krasukha-2O crew consists of three people located in an armored cockpit, which is also protected from microwave radiation. It is reported that the complex is able to work in a wide range of temperatures.

Divnomorye-U


Another complex that will replace the Krasukha-4 complex is EW Divnomorye. This multifunctional transformer station will also replace the Moscow and Krasuha-2 electronic warfare systems in the troops. The Divnomorye complex is designed to suppress locators and other airborne electronic systems of aircraft, helicopters and drones, cruise missiles, satellite radar systems, and ground systems. In addition, this complex is specifically designed to suppress the "flying radar" - E-3 AWACS, E-2 Hawkeye and E-8 JSTAR.

According to the developers of KRET, depending on the purpose, the complex itself chooses the type of interference and the method of their formulation. The operation of the complex is fully automated; upon detection of a target, it independently analyzes the signal, determines its type, direction and radiation power. According to the data obtained, the complex determines the performance characteristics of the object, draws up a suppression plan and independently chooses the most effective type of interference.

The complex is located on one all-terrain vehicle, the radius of destruction is more than 200 km, the viewing sector is 360 degrees, the deployment time is 5 minutes.

What's next?


Of course, in one article it is difficult to consider all electronic warfare systems produced in Russia, because of their diversity. Russia is rightfully the leading producer of these systems. Russian developers do not stand still, creating more and more complexes, which, in the event of hostilities, will deliver the enemy many unpleasant minutes.

In what direction in the future the electronic warfare systems will develop, what systems will replace the already adopted ones are currently unknown. Although the direction of work is clear: increasing the radius of action, increasing efficiency against a wide range of radiation sources (signal), multifunctionality. Let us hope that Russia will continue to occupy a leading place among developers of electronic warfare systems.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 July 2020 21: 53 New
    +7
    Just ... here in an article about EW systems, one citizen convinced me that mattresses and Turks of the EW system are no worse. And as an example cited the Turkish Coral. But the radius of the Turks is 150 km, and Krasukha-4 is up to 300 km. I am silent about Krasukha-20.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 16 July 2020 23: 47 New
      -25
      A town in the West American steppe. Saloon. At the table are two cowboys, a local and a visitor, and drink whiskey. Suddenly, someone rushes along the street at great speed, scorching in all directions from revolvers. In the saloon no one leads the ear. Visiting local:
      - Billy?
      - Yes, Harry?
      “What was that, Billy?”
      - It was Elusive Joe, Harry.
      “Why is his name Elusive Joe, Billy?”
      “Because no one has caught him yet, Harry.”
      “Why hasn't anyone caught him yet, Billy?”
      “Because no one catches him, Harry.”


      Few people need terrestrial electronic suppression systems except Russia. Turkey needed it for some reason and they created it for 6 years (by the way, it works for 200 km, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KORAL_Electronic_Warfare_System) The USA does not itch particularly with its CREW Duke, moreover, it will be more likely to accompany the convoy and work for a short distance. If there would be a need for ground-based REPs, then Western countries created them without problems, the "leading power in radio electronics" Turkey as an example.
      Systems for electronic suppression in the world are located on airplanes and ships.
    2. MrFox
      MrFox 18 July 2020 17: 06 New
      -1
      300 km - even beyond the horizon. well well
      1. interceptor58
        interceptor58 20 July 2020 15: 29 New
        +1
        300 km is roughly the distance from Krasukha-4 to an object flying at an altitude of 7000 m.
    3. Outsider
      Outsider 19 July 2020 09: 11 New
      -5
      - Krasuha-20 - to the orbit of the moon? lol And on whom was all this checked in order to assert about the "leading place in the world" ?!
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 19 July 2020 09: 41 New
        -3
        On TV Star said!
    4. max702
      max702 23 July 2020 11: 42 New
      +1
      In principle, I have one question, Syria is full of our newest electronic warfare systems, the sizes of Syria and this region almost completely overlap them from one point, and the question is when Turkey used drones in Idlib where these systems were, because in fact they have not yet pulled up Buki (with whose calculations I think it's understandable) Turkey's UAVs did what they wanted .. The excuse that we are not at war with Turkey does not roll because Buki still had to be used, and against their background, the use of electronic warfare in general would not be perceived in any way, since it is an order of magnitude more difficult to prove the fact of using electronic warfare the fact of using air defense systems .. So the question is where was the vaunted electronic warfare? I don’t believe in the fact that they did not expect the mass use of UAVs and did not have the necessary! The General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces does not sit and it is possible to calculate the methods and weapons of Turkey possible for use in Idlib at the expense of the time and the UAV is not the first place there .. Where were the electronic warfare?
  2. businessv
    businessv 16 July 2020 22: 01 New
    +2
    Let us hope that Russia will continue to occupy a leading place among developers of electronic warfare systems.
    Vladimir, thanks for the interesting article! Good cars, a great way to suppress enemy information channels, in the event of a mess.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 16 July 2020 22: 09 New
    +4
    EW is an element of passive defense. It helps to level some advantage of the adversary of high-tech percussion weapons, this is indisputable.
    But only as an addition to their own shock, offensive means.
    The best electronic warfare, like air defense, is its own "tanks" for .... in short, wherever it could come to us.
    The author of the article is a plus, because it’s interesting.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 18 July 2020 18: 36 New
      +1
      I would paraphrase a little - the best electronic warfare and air defense, these are tanks on enemy airfields and under the umbrella of electronic warfare and air defense

      Who knows, Krasukhi and Divnomorye are single-channel in purpose, or are they?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 July 2020 19: 50 New
        +2
        There are no unfair means in battle, there are only EFFECTIVE ones!
        About electronic warfare, modern I will not say anything ... I collected my first in the late 70s! It was painful for those on duty at the institute who liked to watch TV with us, because they made a TV set-top box, they caught Finnish broadcasts the only way .... it was interesting to us and to them. It was just impossible to turn it off, but to drown out the reception, so you won't get undermined, this is a p.zh.s.t.
        It came to the majority that we don’t need to touch, all the more so we had Karelians, they could give the film a simultaneous translation as well ...... and for big fans of the charter, the telly just didn’t work.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 20 July 2020 00: 47 New
      +1
      In the face of the impossibility of an open war with the Americans, electronic warfare is not just a passive weapon; electronic warfare makes it possible to interfere with the work of enemy aircraft without engaging in open battle with it like in Syria. And this is a huge plus.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 July 2020 10: 18 New
        0
        The question is more complicated than it seems .... sometimes you want to, but you can't.
      2. Outsider
        Outsider 20 July 2020 13: 40 New
        -4
        - To what extent local patriots overestimate the capabilities of Russian electronic warfare stations, one can only wonder endlessly! How can you not understand, gentlemen, comrades, a few simple things?
        1. EW and radar / radar equipment with which EW stations must fight are two branches of the same tree.
        2. The technological level of electronic warfare equipment should be a cut above the level of radar / radar, which they must suppress, otherwise nothing will work.
        3. The level of Russian radars is significantly lower than the level of American radars / radars (they cannot make a single serial YRS with AFAR for Russian aircraft in 20 years).
        4. With what hangover is there a tryndezh that with such a technological lag, suddenly Russian electronic warfare means will confidently crush the US radar / radar station ?? Just because "Krasukha-4" weighs over 40 tons? But weight is not at all a criterion here.
        5. The level of technological sophistication of modern electronic warfare stations is determined by the level of the electronic part (the best electronic warfare stations are radars with AFAR fighters and specialized electronic warfare stations of strategic missile carriers) and the level of the computer part - how advanced computers control electronic warfare stations, how perfect their programs.
        6. Russia has neither the first, nor the second, nor the third - why does it suddenly start to talk about the possible effectiveness of Russian electronic warfare systems against American radar / radar? This is ridiculous nonsense.
        7. Hindus put Israeli electronic warfare stations of "second freshness" (-XNUMX years ago) on their planes - no one will give them new ones, but they don't install Russian ones ...
        8. Russian EW stations are the same props and bullshit as the noise immunity of Russian radars / radars.
        So it was 40 years ago, 20 years ago and now. Moreover, the lag from year to year is only growing.
        1. Alexey G
          Alexey G 21 July 2020 12: 38 New
          0
          The effectiveness of the work of Russian electronic warfare was recognized by American generals in Syria in open sources! They are on the Internet, read!
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 21 July 2020 16: 09 New
            0
            And these generals must have published an article in The National Interest? wink lol
            1. Alexey G
              Alexey G 21 July 2020 22: 53 New
              0
              No interviewed on official US news channels
              1. Outsider
                Outsider 22 July 2020 23: 57 New
                0
                - They also wanted to knock out the money from the Congress ...
                1. Alexey G
                  Alexey G 23 July 2020 14: 36 New
                  0
                  It's not as easy as ours ... there grandmothers think differently ...
                  1. Outsider
                    Outsider 23 July 2020 15: 17 New
                    0
                    “That is why US generals are sophisticated in Russian, but much more in Chinese (real, as opposed to Russian) threats. Otherwise, you won't get money.
                    1. Alexey G
                      Alexey G 23 July 2020 15: 23 New
                      0
                      Without proof, there is no getting ...
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 26 July 2020 21: 21 New
          0
          The technological level of electronic warfare equipment must be a cut higher than the level of the radar / airborne radar, which they must suppress, otherwise nothing will work.

          This remark already suggests that your code name matches the content!
          To suppress the station signal REFLECTED from the target, it is not at all necessary to have a power much higher than the power of the radar itself. The signal is REFLECTED! Accordingly, a jammer with a power close to the power of the radar itself will completely clog its receiving path!
          And if the jamming signal carries distorted parameters in terms of frequency shift, phase and / or phase transitions, the radar will "see" the target at the South Pole.
          And AFAR in this case only exacerbates the situation (what is the power of a single AFAR element for radiation - 5, 7, well, 10 watts, maximum, while the PFAR gives KILOWATTS for radiation in each pulse. Hence such a striking difference in the tabular range detection of PFAR and AFAR) since the power of each specific element of the array is only one 500-1000 of the total power of the radar. Yes, there are “questions” about “multifrequency”, frequency restructuring speed, but it is much more difficult to hammer IRBIS with interference using a suppression station than any AFAR. And no "technological perfection" dances here!
          It seems that the USSR and the Russian Federation have no idea about AFAR, yeah! And what technology were our early warning systems based on?
          But there, each element radiated KILOWATTS! Not a watt.
          And if you take into account Russian mathematics (I hope you are aware that the mathematical processing of the reflected signal, in polygon conditions, of course, allows you to count the number of engines, engine blades, and even eyelashes on the pilot's right eye) while no one can even reach close, say about the "perfection" of western radars just zapadlo.
          The Indians need AFAR - they will be a BEETLE.
          And we will wait for ROFAR!
          1. Outsider
            Outsider 29 July 2020 06: 48 New
            0
            This remark already suggests that your code name matches the content!

            - Alas, despite your nickname, you do not own this material even at the level of vocational school, alas!
            To suppress the station signal REFLECTED from the target, it is not at all necessary to have a power much higher than the power of the radar itself. The signal is REFLECTED! Accordingly, a jammer with a power close to the power of the radar itself will completely clog its receiving path!

            - Make a summary, layman:
            1. On fighters (we talk about them mainly), especially in Russian, there are never electronic warfare stations that are even close in power to the radar power of US fighters. The most powerful Russian electronic warfare station based on fighters, Sorption (commu- nized by ALQ-135) has a capacity of 1 kilowatt. The radars of US fighters have a power of 5 to 20 kW.
            2. There is such a thing unknown to you as directional coefficient antennas. The same "Sorption" emits its signals in a solid angle of 60 °. The F-22 radar emits at a solid angle of 2 °. The energy concentration is incomparable - despite the fact that in the first case the signal is direct, and in the second it is reflected.
            And if the jamming signal carries distorted parameters in terms of frequency shift, phase and / or phase transitions, the radar will "see" the target at the South Pole.

            - For this, the electronic warfare station, which puts the interference, must first analyze the received signal in order to then correctly distort it, giving it false information. And here is the problem! The signal of modern airborne radars with AFAR can be extremely complex in structure and change in frequency at a rate that no Russian electronic warfare station can keep up with. Therefore, "with the South Pole" - you got excited! laughing
            And AFAR in this case only exacerbates the situation (what is the power of an individual AFAR element for radiation - 5, 7, well, 10 watts, maximum, while the PFAR gives KILOWATTS for radiation in each pulse. Hence, such a striking difference in the tabular range detection of PFAR and AFAR) since the power of each specific element of the array is only one 500-1000 of the total power of the radar.

            - Yes, you, my dear, are not just a layman! You are not just a completely illiterate ignoramus! You are a real zero, without any stick! Each receiving and transmitting module of the APG-81 radar of the F-35 aircraft really has a maximum power (it is regulated in a very wide range) of about 10 watts, but since there are 1676 of these modules, then their power can be correspondingly 16.76 kW... Not to understand this - you have to contrive! lol
            https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/attachments/main-qimg-d6b7d9de3589a008b2fcd267d597ebd7-1-png.16395/
            Yes, there are “questions” about “multifrequency”, the rate of frequency restructuring, but it is much more difficult to hammer IRBIS with interference using a suppression station than any AFAR.

            - A hundred times easier, because it is the most primitive passive PAR.
            And no "technological perfection" dances here!

            - He's still dancing, but you won't understand it.
            It seems that the USSR and the Russian Federation have no idea about AFAR, yeah! And what technology were our early warning systems based on?

            - Weighing several tens of thousands of tons. But they were the most primitive. Just in the form of PFAR, they could not be made in size, so only AFAR.
            But there, each element radiated KILOWATTS! Not a watt.

            - And on an airplane that we will not be able to pile up an airborne radar with AFAR? "Zhuk-AE" is still not ready - 15 years have passed. "Belka" is not ready to be launched into series production.
            And if you take into account Russian mathematics (I hope you are aware that the mathematical processing of the reflected signal, in polygon conditions, of course, allows you to count the number of engines, engine blades, and even eyelashes on the pilot's right eye) while no one can even reach close, say about the "perfection" of western radars just zapadlo.

            - Stop lying silly! This is indeed done by American radars, but not by Russian ones.
            The Indians need AFAR - they will be a BEETLE.

            - So "the spoon is the way to dinner" - "Zhuk-AE" was needed the day before yesterday. AND YESTERDAY the Indians bought the Rafale. On their "Tejas" the Indians have put a small Israeli radar with AFAR EL / M-2052.
            And we will wait for ROFAR!

            - In the XXII century, it will probably arrive in time ... wink
            In general: study, study and study again! So as not to smack nonsense and make people laugh.
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 2 August 2020 01: 13 New
              0
              Do not worry so much!
              Well, layman, let's say. I don’t mind.
              Only there are, nevertheless, a couple of questions.
              - did you remember Sorption? Why not Ficus or Bouquet with Lilac or Geranium? About the Khibiny (U, 10V, 10M, etc.) apparently have not heard? Not to mention Lever, Vitebsk or the Himalayas ...
              - about the KND example is quite unfortunate. How many times is the signal emitted by the same Khibiny noise attenuated at an angle of coverage even 45 degrees? Although, the aiming interference mode is implemented in them, the same 2-3 gr.
              And how many orders of magnitude (orders, Karl!) Is the reflected signal from the target weaker than the radiated radar?
              - about AFAR (in my amateurish opinion, of course) the analogy with a shower is appropriate - there are a lot of streams, but if you twist your soul's head, then a powerful (one) stream will beat much harder and further.
              And I don’t need to say that electric waves propagate radically differently than water waves. Moreover, a part of the power of the APAR emitting modules operating in the direction of other targets will definitely be subtracted from the total radiation power for a specific target. And for the "primitive" Irbis, every impulse radiated in the direction of the target works with the maximum multi-kilowatt power at the target. Therefore, the tabular detection range of the Irbis is far beyond 300 km, and for the "advanced" AFARs - 200. Naturally, all other things being equal.
              - that to the impossibility of jamming the radar because of the "complex structure of the pulse and the restructuring of the signal frequency from pulse to pulse" so, sorry, then jamming would be useless at all! Well, since their radars are so easily rebuilt that "our" Khibiny do not even have time to process the signal.
              However, alas for you! They succeed, and they set up interference very successfully. The reliability of signal detection by one pulse is too low, therefore a series of pulses with the same characteristics are emitted. And already on the second pulse from the series, a distorting interference is placed, which radically changes the reflected signal received by the RLB.
              Actually, just like the Americans put and are putting interference with our air defense systems and air defense systems.
              Already, ground-based radars of air defense systems have the ability to counter (reorganize the radiation frequency and increase the signal power) much steeper than the airborne ones, however, for them, the airborne systems for setting individual and group interference are quite dangerous.
              So, all of you are lying, knowing you are ours.
              Although, they licked the Americans in ... and threw the substances on the fan quite reliably.
              I'm curious, why did the Motherland hurt you so much that you belittle it in every possible way?
              Or is your homeland somewhere else?
  4. gridasov
    gridasov 16 July 2020 22: 11 New
    0
    In general, anyone understands the essence of the concept of the prospects of electronic warfare systems. Or someone thinks that the cubes can be endlessly rearranged in search of new combinations. We need new element base devices with new energy density levels to expand the ranges. Well, of course, they’ll say now that I’m in my repertoire and I’m talking nonsense.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 16 July 2020 22: 54 New
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      they’ll say now that I’m in my repertoire and I’m talking nonsense

      Of course, you are in your repertoire, but what does this have to do with nonsense? We are always ready to listen to your opinion with interest! yes
      Quote: gridasov
      We need new element base devices with new energy density levels to expand the ranges.

      Duc, working on it! The other day there was a message that the range of the "EMP guns" was increased to 10 km ....
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 17 July 2020 08: 42 New
        -2
        After all, what does it mean to increase the density of electronic magnetic energy? First of all, it is necessary to understand the essence of the electronic magnetic pulse formed on the dipole interactions of magnetic fluxes. Then it becomes clear that an electronic magnetic pulse is a local space formed between a system of two or more polar contours and forming both linear and spin and rolling moments of magnetic flux forces. And therefore, speaking about the energy density, we must understand the aspects of the importance of short duration, of the algorithmic sequence, since energy is always either a decaying, or an increasing potential of interactions. So it turns out that for all these processes, first of all, new inductance devices are needed without an equivalent process of inductance itself — this is the time. And these same devices in their construction make it possible to create exactly new fundamentally density control devices that do not have the scattering part of the formation process, first of all, the spin of the magnetic flux transfer effect and, accordingly, the linear process vector. I have already noted many times that any particle accelerators are built fundamentally illogical. Since flares, perceived as particles, are in fact precisely that local space between the polarized structures of magnetic interacting systems. Therefore, the applicable Solenoid devices, for example, in the collider, have limits on the potential of the forces created by them. And this limit will be expressed by problems on Earth. And to prevent this from happening, you need to use new inductance devices.
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 17 July 2020 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          After all, what does it mean to increase the density of electronic magnetic energy? First of all, it is necessary to understand the essence of the electronic magnetic pulse formed on the dipole interactions of magnetic fluxes.
          It may be interesting, for discussion in the relevant publications or circles, but for the majority of "residents" of VO, the current state of these funds in the Armed Forces is more important.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 17 July 2020 13: 51 New
            0
            Well, I mean that everyone is more or less literate to discuss such topics
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 18 July 2020 18: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          After all, what does it mean to increase the density of electronic magnetic energy? First of all, it is necessary to understand the essence of the electronic magnetic pulse formed on the dipole interactions of magnetic fluxes. Then it becomes clear that an electronic magnetic pulse is a local space formed between a system of two or more polar contours and forming both linear and spin and rolling moments of magnetic flux forces. And therefore, speaking about the energy density, we must understand the aspects of the importance of short duration, of the algorithmic sequence, since energy is always either a decaying, or an increasing potential of interactions. So it turns out that for all these processes, first of all, new inductance devices are needed without an equivalent process of inductance itself — this is the time. And these same devices in their construction make it possible to create exactly new fundamentally density control devices that do not have the scattering part of the formation process, first of all, the spin of the magnetic flux transfer effect and, accordingly, the linear process vector. I have already noted many times that any particle accelerators are built fundamentally illogical. Since flares, perceived as particles, are in fact precisely that local space between the polarized structures of magnetic interacting systems. Therefore, the applicable Solenoid devices, for example, in the collider, have limits on the potential of the forces created by them. And this limit will be expressed by problems on Earth. And to prevent this from happening, you need to use new inductance devices.


          "... He broke all the brains into pieces, all the convolutions braided ...", oh, the rope-makers are in no hurry to inject! (Paraphrasing V. Vysotsky)

          Solenoid is good, but coherent is better, however.
          Mr. Gridasov has not yet developed a theory of coherent omnidirectional control of drivers of power flows?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 18 July 2020 22: 26 New
            0
            This is exactly what the conversation is about. Only I examined this in a multipolar transistor. If I had someone to talk to, then I could show how a number in its functional meaning in a row can be expressed by an electronic magnetic impulse. Then, in general, you can talk about a computer on completely new principles of operation and not on binary logic, but orders of magnitude more efficient. Naturally, it is worth considering not just an electronic magnetic pulse, but their algorithmic sequence.
        3. Vitaliy volin
          Vitaliy volin 18 July 2020 20: 08 New
          +4
          Gridasov! Yes, everything is elementary! Of course! Indeed, from the point of view of banal erudition, each arbitrarily chosen predicatively absorbing object of rational mystical induction can be discretely determined with the application of the situational paradigm of the communicative-functional type in the presence of a detector-archaic distributive image in the Gilbert convergence space, however, with parallel collaboration analysis of spectroscopic relativity sets, to multiband hyperbolic paraboloids interpreting the anthropocentric polynomial of Neo-Lagrange, a positional signification of the valve theory of psychoanalysis arises, as a result of which the following must be taken into account: since not only esoteric, but also existential apperception entropologist possesses antecedentally passivated, but highly materialized the valence factor is negative, then, accordingly, antagonistic discreditism degrades in the exhibitional direction since, being in a prepubertal state, almost every subject, melancholy aware of embryonic claustrophobia, can extrapolate any process of integration and differentiation in both directions, it follows that as a result of synchronization, limited by the minimum permissible interpolation of the image, all methods of the convergent concept require practically traditional transformations of neo-colonialism.
          Why not understand here ...)))
          And UMNIK: "a comma is put immediately after the last letter of a word, and then a space before the next word," and not vice versa.
          I hope at least this elementary spelling rule in Russian can be mastered by an average educated person ???
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 18 July 2020 22: 30 New
            -1
            Not smart at all! Human speech as a mathematical sequence of a combination of individual meanings. Commas are also important. However, not in this case.
        4. Kathernik
          Kathernik 18 July 2020 20: 20 New
          0
          Posner:
          - Good evening! Today I would like to interview Timati from the "Star Factory" ... Timati, being the headliner of a total label of post-Soviet funk culture, do you feel the civic component of a positioned pop idol, as a kind of dominant status of a viewer deliberately prolonged by television broadcasting and imposed on him by rigid rotation the establishment? And while Timati is thinking, let's move on to the lead singer of the Leningrad group, Mr. Sergey Shnurov ...
  5. ved_med12
    ved_med12 16 July 2020 22: 21 New
    +4
    Electronic warfare systems are very important in the fight against UAVs. Especially with small ones and in particular with the so-called "swarm".
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 July 2020 04: 08 New
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      Quote: ved_med12
      Electronic warfare systems are very important in the fight against UAVs. Especially with small ones and in particular with the so-called "swarm".

      And in the fight against electronic reconnaissance means, when repelling an air strike and the CD?
      1. ved_med12
        ved_med12 17 July 2020 08: 12 New
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        Of course you are right! And he distinguished small drones, due to the lack of another alternative when fighting them, except for shells ...
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 19 July 2020 09: 45 New
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      All normal large UAVs work via satellite, to them your "Krassuhi" - all "in one place" ... wink
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 19 July 2020 12: 26 New
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        There is an Autobase! She has already planted 5 UAVs !!
      2. standan
        standan 22 July 2020 12: 29 New
        +2
        And what is the radio channel from satellite is different?
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 22 July 2020 23: 56 New
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          - The fact that it cannot be suppressed from the ground. All "Krasukhs" are dumbly "resting" ... lol
          1. standan
            standan 23 July 2020 09: 36 New
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            And why can't it be suppressed from the ground? What's in the way?
            1. Outsider
              Outsider 23 July 2020 12: 50 New
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              - Because the antenna is in a metal cup, and the cup is directed UP and she does not perceive signals from below from any "Krasukh". lol

              1. standan
                standan 23 July 2020 13: 57 New
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                Suddenly. Bravo! hi
          2. standan
            standan 23 July 2020 09: 43 New
            +1
            You just don't tell Krasukha developers about this, otherwise the guys don't know :)
            1. Outsider
              Outsider 23 July 2020 12: 56 New
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              - Yes, they all know! wink You don't know that ... laughing
            2. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 26 July 2020 21: 35 New
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              Yes! HF radio waves only propagate in a straight line. And listening to the Voice of America in the USSR was basically impossible! And the Lord categorically forbids placing a directional interference from an airplane from above. These are the most trivial ways. But there is still a host of non-trivial ones.
              By the way, how did the American captains who were on the Novorossiysk roadstead found themselves near Krasnodar? There, too, the ZHPS antennas looked into the sky ...))
  6. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 16 July 2020 22: 25 New
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    Nowadays, radio imagers are spreading - such a thing that like a radio that transmits the entire acoustic environment on a carrier frequency, only radio imagers shoot the entire longer-wave radio environment into a short wave, like interferometers in a radio telescope, determining the bearing of the source in the picture by amplitude analysis between the antennas of the interferometers three-plane directivity, at different angles of incidence on the antenna, different amplitudes. The Americans no longer hide this option, though only from satellites, they demonstrate it.
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 July 2020 23: 04 New
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      Quote: Andrey.AN
      which is like a radio that transmits the entire acoustic environment on a carrier frequency, only radio viewers shoot the entire longer-wave radio environment into a short wave

      Tried but failed ....
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 16 July 2020 23: 13 New
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        Yes, just everything, on the carrier of the microwave interferometer, longer waves are recorded in exactly the same way as sound to a microphone, even simpler, and then also as in radio detection, comparative analysis of diagrams, before and after the "aqualizer", there is not even stereo, but three-plane, and the layout in the picture is what, what brightness, from where, bearings.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 18 July 2020 22: 36 New
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      In this example, we are again faced with big data AS a collection of consistent but different processes. Therefore, without knowing the function of a constant value of a number, it is impossible to build a system and the very method of analyzing big data. Without the application of this fundamental discovery in mathematics, all data is chaos and unsystematic.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 16 July 2020 22: 45 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author, very informative. In my memory, these things are very loud, I hope the operators are now well protected.
  8. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 16 July 2020 23: 57 New
    -1
    So for EW, the main power in the microwave, in several phases, and focusing, harmonics do the rest, the short wave always parasitizes on the long one, it’s a fact - the long short wave will support less, the impulse is steeper in the fall than in the rise, and the longer one has a higher height, current, and less voltage, voltage drags energy, simply because who holds it better. Sorry, on the contrary, mixed up with wires.
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 17 July 2020 03: 39 New
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      Quote: Andrey.AN
      Sorry, on the contrary, mixed up with wires.

      Question! Why did you press the "send comment" button ???
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 15: 20 New
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        Edited, managed to inherit, but okay, it’s kind of not protocol communication, half of them are buh.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 18 July 2020 22: 40 New
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      Short waves harmonize systematically with long waves and in general any. In general, the entire system is consistent, which means that the so-called noises or dominants can be simply processed through a computer. But this is mathematics above all!
  9. fsb_buzuk
    fsb_buzuk 17 July 2020 00: 42 New
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    And how is Divnomorye-U different from Krasukha-2O?
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 17 July 2020 03: 40 New
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      Quote: fsb_buzuk
      And how is Divnomorye-U different from Krasukha-2O?

      Apparently the same as Moscow-1 differs from Krasukha-4
  10. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 July 2020 01: 25 New
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    In all this topic, I am strained by the ever-increasing dependence of our aircraft on large-sized vehicles - unrealistically voracious in fuel, more dependent on high-quality spare parts, difficult to hide from the same satellites and, like any large-sized equipment, which impose restrictions on logistics. They seem to be mobile - and are created for this, but it seems like not quite.
    In peacetime or in a regional war, this will not be so noticeable; in the event of a major conflict, it will be very noticeable, I think. Without diminishing the value of such developments on large-sized chassis, it seems to me that we should pay attention to much cheaper, mass-produced and I would even say moderately primitive products - like the notorious so-called "air mines", if I am not mistaken. A small object that can be camouflaged in advance on the ground or, if necessary, transported by any road transport (even if this thing will be the size of a trailer), and which will be calculated in advance so that it can be sacrificed using it at the most tactically necessary moment.

    Large-sized, expensive equipment (such as the Pantsiri) can be a very vulnerable target for a complex of cheap means, and their conditional mobility with complex dimensions and in combat conditions can play against them, either facilitating the areas of probable search, or in the event of an increase in the cost of such a target - forcing its users to invest in its cover - even more unmasking.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 17 July 2020 01: 58 New
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      creation of smaller systems-modules capable of connecting into one large antenna. Or something like that. It’s like with a radio telescope, you can build a giant plate such as Arecibo or you can build a bunch of smaller ones that, when combined into a network, can scan a larger area of ​​the sky
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 17 July 2020 02: 26 New
        +2
        I think that for the means of electronic warfare, such a hefty, expensive, voracious and technologically perfect bandurina is too much. If it is damaged, then most likely it will not work to fix it "on the spot" - and it will be abandoned or destroyed by themselves. In the conditions of a more or less serious war, and not batches for dunes with camel poop. In addition to these concentrators of technologies with an impressive appearance and hellish capacities, we need to create compact, repairable, and cheap variations of these technologies, which can be transported with improvised means, so that in the event of a serious war we can count on the wide and widespread use of such means in not only logistically convenient places. I don't know if I managed to express my idea more precisely ..
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 17 July 2020 03: 46 New
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          think everything right. And the same swarm of cheap drones is much more effective than one large super-expensive one. and destroying a swarm is more difficult especially if it is controlled by a neural network.
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 17 July 2020 14: 01 New
            +2
            Once there was information about the use of cell towers as distributed radars. Software for control systems is written and, if necessary, this software is activated. The capacities there are small, but the network of stations is wide. In addition, they can be used as one of the elements of the observation structure, in combination with other elements, and not as a replacement for traditional radars.
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 17 July 2020 16: 07 New
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              thus, by the way, by means of distributed radars, all Stealths are perfectly visible. Or maybe the Huawei under the guise of 5G is just building such sleeping radars? Then the striped and Anglo-Saxons banyu Huawei laughing
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 18 July 2020 23: 09 New
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            Do not be very afraid of the swarm yet. This can be stated with complete confidence until there is no agreed structure, especially in the aspect of the different dynamic states of individual components. Therefore, even an unbalancing effect on one compound agent can knock out the entire system. And there are a lot of such aspects.
        2. Cube123
          Cube123 18 July 2020 07: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          I think that such a hefty, expensive, voracious and technologically perfect bandurina for electronic warfare means too much.

          You do not understand the physical essence of such systems. Active suppression is a huge consumed and radiated energy. Are you going to make pocket-sized power plants of sub-megawatt power? Or do power lines pull to each mobile station? I’m not saying that a station operating for hundreds of kilometers requires antennas of a large area and with precise guidance and beam keeping systems. To at least not sway from the wind. laughing
        3. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 18 July 2020 19: 02 New
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          This is a matter of strategies and territories.
          You think from the point of view of the aggressor - yes, for an attack it is better to have a mobile compact device, perhaps even a disposable one.
          And for defense (we are not aggressors, our territory, we will work under the cover of our fire weapons), we need a powerful means of suppression, capable of crushing the enemy cardinally.
          Although, ideally, you need to have both.
          Yes, and be prepared for a more aggressive struggle - let our probable sworn partners feel that they are being given, in their faces, in their estates, and not only a vigorous loaf.
          Then the anus will give a faster signal about the undesirability of aggression in our direction.
  11. Klingon
    Klingon 17 July 2020 01: 52 New
    -3
    with the advent of quantum communication, electronic warfare in its usual form will become useless. Since quantum communication does not transmit any radio signals, but it works instantly on entangled particles at an arbitrarily large distance
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 17 July 2020 03: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Klingon
      with the advent of quantum coupling

      The Quantum Relativistic Suppression of this connection will be invented ... The union of the sword and screaming ... ugh, the fight of the sword and shield, no one canceled)))
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 19 July 2020 09: 49 New
      -2
      - Again the nurse forgot to give haloperidol ?! Or hid it under the tongue, but spat it out ?!
  12. Klingon
    Klingon 17 July 2020 08: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Harry.km
    Quote: Klingon
    with the advent of quantum coupling

    The Quantum Relativistic Suppression of this connection will be invented ... The union of the sword and screaming ... ugh, the fight of the sword and shield, no one canceled)))

    quantum-relativistic suppression .. type of signal suppression by some sort of tachyons that will get confused with enemy particles ... that is, signal suppression even before this signal was going to be transmitted laughing - a good idea drinks
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 17 July 2020 22: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Klingon
      signal suppression by some tachyons that will get confused with enemy particles ... that is, signal suppression even before this signal was going to be transmitted

      Everything is logical! The tachyon is faster than the speed of light, the particle does not get confused with the fields, but gets tangled in the fields, slowing down the tachyon and it becomes visible. The field shows the state of the quantum without violating the principle of entanglement ... Which means that information is not transmitted. But it is not transmitted only between pairs of particles, breaking the connection, and the tachyon field shows what the villains wanted to convey, even before they were about to transmit! )))
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 17 July 2020 23: 48 New
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        are you in the subject good - you need to remove the cool sci-fi thriller according to this scenario laughing I love films on this subject, even if there is some kind of time-moving device there is complete absurdity drinks
  13. +5
    +5 17 July 2020 10: 15 New
    -2
    In terms of ground-based electronic warfare, we have always been ahead of the rest ... for this was not prevented by a lag in the element base .... you can do it not on one as in the USA (conditionally), but on 2, 3, 4 trucks.
    In aviation, where the mass-dimensional restrictions were worse of course
    1. Lyokha Lyokhin
      Lyokha Lyokhin 18 July 2020 23: 40 New
      -3
      When in 1982, Israel rebuilded dozens of Syria’s latest air defense systems and destroyed them, as well as crushed 79 fighter radars and destroyed them, one of the main Soviet rebels told us that we are far from such technologies. Change the pink glasses but the optical ones and remove the noodles from the ears that paid magazines and TV channels hang on your ears.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 18 July 2020 23: 59 New
        -5
        Quietly quiet, no need to destroy myths)) otherwise how will you get a bunch of minuses))) life will not be Mila))
      2. +5
        +5 19 July 2020 16: 16 New
        +1
        Where are the latest systems in Syria from?
        Remove the hutspu from the paisas ... It was after the fear of 1973, when the yavreis walked to the brink, they thought that if everyone in the war and hunting lies 3 times, then for the effect you have to lie 10,30..100 times!
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 23 July 2020 00: 30 New
      -1
      - These sweet dreams do not correspond to the harsh reality at all. NEVER have Russian electronic warfare stations, or Russian radar / airborne radars, and have ever stood close to the American ones ... request
      1. +5
        +5 23 July 2020 15: 34 New
        -2
        Yes quietly ... how can I live after such a statement of a cosmic scale and similar nonsense?
        Continue about teacher .... Blondes are better than brunettes, and are all red-haired witches? Fat kind and long-nosed snide?
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 24 July 2020 10: 39 New
          -1
          - You will live perfectly! "The less you know the better you sleep!" wink You do not know anything at all - in general, hurt yourself! lol Since the Third World War will most likely never be - you will never know anything, lucky one! laughing
  14. barin
    barin 18 July 2020 10: 14 New
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    Progress cannot be stopped.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 23 July 2020 16: 08 New
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      - There is one tiny nuance: if the rate of progress of your opponent's RTO is higher than yours - you will constantly lag behind - further and further... And the fact that "progress cannot be stopped" is true ...
  15. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 18 July 2020 13: 55 New
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    Probably no serious conflict can do without electronic warfare
  16. Kaw
    Kaw 18 July 2020 15: 51 New
    -1
    For some reason, in Syria and Libya, when the Turks bombed our PMCs, these electronic warfare systems did not show themselves.
    1. Lyokha Lyokhin
      Lyokha Lyokhin 18 July 2020 23: 43 New
      -1
      Because it is a myth about the all-powerful Russian slaves, that RTR broadcasts on TV and Russian mirror sites.
  17. MrFox
    MrFox 18 July 2020 17: 12 New
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    I see only one scenario after turning on the electronic warfare station - a missile with a passive guidance head is flying towards it. The signal is good, powerful, a cheap detector receiver is enough.

    The interference will be strong but short-lived
    1. standan
      standan 22 July 2020 12: 36 New
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      Where will it fly? Radar with electronic warfare beguiled?
  18. Vitaliy volin
    Vitaliy volin 18 July 2020 19: 49 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    New element base devices with new levels of energy density are needed to expand the ranges

    What aul will you be from? How can you understand: "We need new element base devices" ??? Maybe you mean: "we need devices on a new element base", then it's clear. We go further: "with new levels of energy density in order to expand the ranges [", - how does the density (power) of the emitted flux correlate with the range, which always in radio electronics meant the frequency characteristics of radio wave radiation ???
    This is exactly DEEP-THINKING RANGE
  19. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 18 July 2020 23: 26 New
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    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    Once there was information about the use of cell towers as distributed radars. Software for control systems is written and, if necessary, this software is activated. The capacities there are small, but the network of stations is wide. In addition, they can be used as one of the elements of the observation structure, in combination with other elements, and not as a replacement for traditional radars.

    It will work only once.
    Then the structure of the cellular network will be destroyed
  20. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 18 July 2020 23: 34 New
    +1
    All on the one hand, as it were, is good.
    But everyone needs to come down from heaven to earth.

    First of all.
    Krasuha-4 is a piece goods. Of which about a dozen units were produced. Produced by 1 piece per year.
    And whose task is to cover the headquarters of the armies.
    These are prohibitively expensive products.

    Advances fly at a distance of 200-300 km from the battle line.
    Accordingly, in order to somehow influence the Advance, you need to send Krasuha to the front line.
    The chances of working on the front lines with such a powerful source of radio emission are less than 5 minutes.
    It will be destroyed immediately.
    Whether by ground attack aircraft, by Growlers, by OTRK, by anti-radar or cruise missiles.
    But no one will allow such a powerful complex to work even at a distance of 200 km from the collision line.

    So all defirambs to these complexes will never help in the event of a real war.
  21. Lyokha Lyokhin
    Lyokha Lyokhin 18 July 2020 23: 35 New
    -2
    Stop writing fairy tales here and misleading people. No rews, the most, AWACS can not suppress. All these systems have powerful protection against these reb.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 19 July 2020 00: 03 New
      -3
      You still begin to roll out about the propagation of radio waves, in a moment you learn that "The transmission range does not depend on the frequency
  22. Klingon
    Klingon 19 July 2020 03: 41 New
    -2
    stupid minusers are not nicherta in quantum mechanics. There is no signal transmitted by radio waves. There will be nothing to jam.
    the only way to intercept / block information is to do it before this information is encoded and sent
  23. gregor6549
    gregor6549 19 July 2020 08: 39 New
    +1
    The news is quite ordinary. There was an electronic warfare system Krasukha 4, Krasukha 20 appeared with slightly improved performance characteristics due to modernization. In general, there is a normal evolutionary process of development of one of the types of military equipment. It is somewhat annoying that recently a number of highly enthusiastic readers have endowed electronic warfare systems with some miraculous properties, capable of supposedly almost "nullifying" many modern weapons systems of a potential enemy.
    As a result, a number of myths on this topic appear (for example, the myth of how the Khibiny electronic warfare system paralyzed the weapons systems of one of the US destroyers D. Cook), in which the creators of these myths themselves begin to fervently believe. In reality, everything looks much simpler and more modest.
    Let's start with the fact that the simplest electronic warfare systems have been known since the 30s of the last century and were widely used already in World War I by the opposing sides (radio reconnaissance, direction finding and jamming of enemy radio stations, jamming land, sea and air-based radar stations, etc.) .
    In the post-war period, these systems began to develop at an accelerated pace and showed their effectiveness in a number of local wars and conflicts. In particular, if during the Vietnam war, before the use of electronic warfare means by the United States, the average consumption of missiles per shot down aircraft was 2 missiles, then after the Americans equipped their aircraft with jamming devices, this consumption increased to 8 missiles. The USSR, of course, developed countermeasures, in particular, it introduced direction finding channels to the radar, developed automated systems for collecting and processing bearings (for example, the VP15M object was developed, which is part of the Air 1M ACCS), created jamming systems for radio communication and radar facilities of a potential enemy, etc. d.
    The likely enemy also did not doze and developed new types of radio communication and radar equipment, less sensitive to interference. In general, the eternal struggle between sword and shield has never stopped since then.
    Unfortunately, it is practically impossible to assess the effectiveness of each specific electronic warfare system, as well as to assess the effectiveness of the means of protecting a potential enemy from this system in peacetime, although both sides are making great efforts to make this assessment using all available methods and means (simulation, field tests, radio technical and agent intelligence, etc.). But despite all the efforts, EW was and remains a "hedgehog in the fog", the prickleness of which can only be realized when the fog dissipates and large-scale hostilities begin (do not bring, of course, Lord)
    Therefore, there is a proposal to moderate your enthusiasm and emotions and consider electronic warfare systems as just one of the modern types of military equipment, which may be able to help in solving certain combat missions, but is unlikely to be another "wunderwaffe".
    And further. It should be remembered that systems such as Krasukh are very easy to find by means of enemy electronic reconnaissance, and long before the enemy enters the zone of effective interference created by this system. And the more powerful the electronic warfare system, the earlier it can be detected. Well, then something low-flying and unmanned with a passive homing head is launched and Krasukha's crew may not have time to understand where and what came from.
    Yes, and AWACS were developed and are being developed taking into account the possible impact of enemy electronic warfare systems and it is very, very difficult to suppress them by radar interference, especially those AWACS that use conformal fixed antennas with electronic beam scanning instead of rotating "plates".
  24. Outsider
    Outsider 19 July 2020 09: 14 New
    0
    "... the whole complex" Krasukha-2O "is placed in one car. A 40-ton machine is equipped with a Yaroslavl turbodiesel with a capacity of 500 hp The machine easily overcomes a 30-meter ditch and ford, a 80-degree rise, speed on the highway - XNUMX km / hour, without refueling travels a thousand kilometers. " - This is the most interesting thing in the article. Everything else is absolutely nowhere, propaganda is not confirmed by anything or anyone.
  25. Outsider
    Outsider 20 July 2020 11: 00 New
    -2
    Quote: Genry
    Quote: Andrey.AN
    which is like a radio that transmits the entire acoustic environment on a carrier frequency, only radio viewers shoot the entire longer-wave radio environment into a short wave

    Tried but failed ....

    - This can only be done by a very experienced psychiatrist ... laughing lol
  26. interceptor58
    interceptor58 20 July 2020 15: 24 New
    0
    Krasukha-4 and Krasukha-2 are products that are different in purpose.
  27. Outsider
    Outsider 2 August 2020 01: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Vlad.by
    Do not worry so much!
    Well, layman, let's say. I don’t mind.
    Only there are, nevertheless, a couple of questions.
    - did you remember Sorption? Why not Ficus or Bouquet with Lilac or Geranium?

    - They are ancient, "like shit of a mammoth." In a modern theater of operations, they are absolutely useless.
    About the Khibiny (U, 10V, 10M, etc.) apparently have not heard? Not to mention Lever, Vitebsk or the Himalayas ...

    - Heard, heard! lol And how the American sailors in their crumpled underpants jumped overboard from the destroyer "Donald Cook" and other bullshit. The problem is, there is no truth there. I repeat: in order to have superiority over the enemy in electronic warfare means "on the head", you need to have superiority over him in radar, radar "on two heads." Does the Russian Air Force have such superiority over the American? No. Therefore, it does not have electronic warfare equipment that reliably suppresses American radar / airborne radars. And out of stock.
    - about the KND example is quite unfortunate. How many times is the signal emitted by the same Khibiny noise attenuated at an angle of coverage even 45 degrees? Although, the aiming interference mode is implemented in them, the same 2-3 gr.

    - And what kind of antenna system "Khibiny" can deliver sighting interference with an angle of 2-3 degrees ?? Is there an AFAR? Or at least PFAR ??
    And how many orders of magnitude (orders, Karl!) Is the reflected signal from the target weaker than the radiated radar?

    - But this is extremely dependent on the RCS of the target. And since in Russia there are no stealths and does not smell, but in the USAF they are - resume?
    - about AFAR (in my amateurish opinion, of course) the analogy with a shower is appropriate - there are a lot of streams, but if you twist your soul's head, then a powerful (one) stream will beat much harder and further.

    - When will it reach your head that AFAR forms a single powerful beam! Not trickles from the shower. Analogies - zero... However - just like the PFAR, Bars, or Irbis that are on Russian planes - everything is completely identical there - individual PPMs re-emit a powerful signal with which they are irradiated. laughing lol They just don't generate it themselves. Would you read a couple of popular brochures on this topic, or what?
    And I don’t need to say that electric waves propagate radically differently than water waves.

    - "Fell under the table!" laughing In fact, they really do spread radically differently than aquatic and even sound in the atmosphere! lol
    Moreover, a part of the power of the APAR emitting modules operating in the direction of other targets will definitely be subtracted from the total radiation power for a specific target.

    - But this already depends on the desire of the pilot on this aircraft. You don't have to scatter the power, but concentrate it all in one extremely narrow beam.
    And for the "primitive" Irbis, every impulse radiated in the direction of the target works with the maximum multi-kilowatt power at the target.

    - I repeat: you absolutely do not understand how the Irbis and APG-77 work. The second can do exactly the same thing as the first, including focusing all the power in one beam... But the first cannot do everything that the second does ... lol
    Therefore, the tabular detection range of the Irbis is far beyond 300 km, and for the "advanced" AFARs - 200. Naturally, all other things being equal.

    - Well, enough stupid nonsense? You do not even understand what the "signal accumulation time" is, you even have no idea what the "signal accumulation time in a given solid angle" is ... "Irbis" and in terms of power up to APG-77 - "like a drunk on all fours to Beijing ".
    - that to the impossibility of jamming the radar because of the "complex structure of the pulse and the restructuring of the signal frequency from pulse to pulse" so, sorry, then jamming would be useless at all! Well, since their radars are so easily rebuilt that "our" Khibiny do not even have time to process the signal.

    - Well, your "Khibiny" is not in time, not in time ... request
    However, alas for you! They succeed, and they set up interference very successfully. The reliability of signal detection by one pulse is too low, therefore a series of pulses with the same characteristics are emitted. And already on the second pulse from the series, a distorting interference is placed, which radically changes the reflected signal received by the RLB.

    - Would you rather talk about something familiar and understandable to you: the device of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, for example?
    Actually, just like the Americans put and are putting interference with our air defense systems and air defense systems.

    - They have simpler signals. American electronic warfare is much more capable of analyzing them.
    Already, ground-based radars of air defense systems have the ability to counter (reorganize the radiation frequency and increase the signal power) much steeper than the airborne

    - Do you compare Russian with Russian? This is mistake. Compare with American ones - if you can.
    however, for them, on-board systems for setting individual and group jamming are quite dangerous.

    - Absolutely NOT the same.
    So, all of you are lying, knowing you are ours.

    - The truth is, unfortunately, completely incomprehensible to you.
    Although, they licked the Americans in ... and threw the substances on the fan quite reliably.
    I'm curious, why did the Motherland hurt you so much that you belittle it in every possible way?
    Or is your homeland somewhere else?

    - Yes, stop talking and trying to hide behind patriotism - Will your pseudo-patriotic cries and groans in an air battle with the F-35 help a Russian pilot on the Su-22 ?!
    Your stupid boastful assurances that "your calf will be able to wring a wolf"?
    The technique must be assessed soberly, competently and objectively. Tearing a vest on the breasts does not help today - a different age, technological ...