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“Nothing complicated in the creation of Kalashnikov”: Vietnam introduced the STV-410 assault rifle

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The Z111 factory of the Main Directorate of the Defense Industry of Vietnam has developed a new 7.62x39 mm assault rifle, designated STV-410.


According to VietDefense, it can be considered a local version of the Russian AK-15 assault rifle, created on the basis of the 5.45-mm AK-12 model of 2012 under a more massive cartridge.

Some of the information is still classified and will be available only at the end of this week. But, as the name implies, the barrel length of this weapons is 410 mm, and it uses the traditional 7,62x39 mm cartridge, which was the main ammunition for almost all Vietnamese small arms.

According to the publication, the optics depicted on the booklets are most likely a publicity stunt - most conventional troops will use standard sights anyway. Compared to other types of new Vietnamese rifles with a folding design, the STV-410 seems to have full ammunition.

The creation of a modern Kalashnikov assault rifle outside of Russia, frankly, is not so difficult and quite possible for the Vietnamese defense industry [...] Is the AK-15 and Galil ACE [Israeli rifle line] not just a modernization of the original Kalashnikov assault rifle made by two different countries ?

- notes VietDefense.

As the publication emphasizes, when the Vietnamese government received a license for the manufacture of Galil Ace in 2014, it was not going to produce small arms developed in Israel. The main goal was to use production experience and transfer the technology needed to create a local rifle.



“Nothing complicated in the creation of Kalashnikov”: Vietnam introduced the STV-410 assault rifle
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 July 2020 04: 38 New
    16
    This "bicycle" will be invented forever!
    Kalash is a wonderful and very simple product in design.
    But!
    The devil is in the details!
    Even manufacturers licensed did not always comply with the technology and the end result was slag.
    And there are a lot of "creative copiers" in general, and they did little other than shit.
    Let's see what the Vietnamese do.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 July 2020 04: 44 New
      +4
      “Nothing complicated in creating Kalashnikov”
      Everything ingenious is simple! hi
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 14 July 2020 04: 47 New
        -2
        Here's an interesting piece from AK fans.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 14 July 2020 08: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Everything ingenious is simple!

        Of course, it’s simple, when before you, someone already invented it, more than 70 years ago.
        “Nothing complicated in the creation of Kalashnikov”: Vietnam introduced the STV-410 assault rifle
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 14 July 2020 09: 26 New
          0
          Quote: orionvitt
          someone has already invented

          And I'm talking about the same thing! What is the genius of Kalashnikov - in the simplicity and reliability of his AK, RPK and PC! hi
      3. figwam
        figwam 14 July 2020 08: 27 New
        +3
        As the publication emphasizes, when the Vietnamese government received a license in 2014 to manufacture Galil Ace

        Most copies of Kalashnikovs are not reliable weapons, unlike Galil, which is made using high-quality metals, Vietnam, having obtained a license from Israel, will be able to produce a reliable machine, and not just a copy.
        1. vkl.47
          vkl.47 14 July 2020 10: 48 New
          +2
          A lot depends on the quality of steel.
      4. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 18 July 2020 11: 34 New
        0
        All ingenious is simple! hi
        Of course simple!
        You only need to know the technologies and methods of processing materials, and the materials themselves need to know and be able to process them. And everything is as simple as in a pharmacy!
    2. ydjin
      ydjin 15 July 2020 13: 52 New
      0
      No matter how they talk about super-technological Heroksi, a copy will always be worse than the original!
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 July 2020 04: 45 New
    +3
    For more than 70 years, the AK design has been worked out comprehensively. The production technology is also not a big secret. In the caves of Afghanistan and Yemen they mastered that. The flag is in the hands of your Vietnamese comrades!
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 14 July 2020 04: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: andrewkor
      In the caves of Afghanistan and Yemen, and even mastered

      Only these "copies" cannot be considered military weapons.
      From the word "in general"!
      Reliability is about zero!
      M-ki is also there. The same.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 14 July 2020 05: 37 New
        -6
        This is not news, but someone will write "from the word in general / completely." Like this on VO challenge?
    2. Eragon
      Eragon 14 July 2020 08: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: andrewkor
      For more than 70 years, the AK design has been worked out comprehensively. The production technology is also not a big secret. In the caves of Afghanistan and Yemen they mastered that. The flag is in the hands of your Vietnamese comrades!

      What does the design have to do with ??? Does steel technology for AK already mean nothing? And she is unknown to anyone except Russia. When, at what temperature, in what sequence the additives are introduced into the melt, the cave inhabitants of Afghanistan and Yemen certainly know. You guessed it yourself.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 July 2020 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Eragon
        Does steel technology for AK already mean nothing? And she unknown to anyone except Russia.


        In the 1950s, licenses for the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles (AKs) were transferred to the USSR to eighteen countries, mainly allies under the Warsaw Treaty.

        But aren't technology transferred when transferring production licenses? Like, sharpen trunks at least from bamboo.
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 14 July 2020 11: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Eragon
          Does steel technology for AK already mean nothing? And she unknown to anyone except Russia.


          In the 1950s, licenses for the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles (AKs) were transferred to the USSR to eighteen countries, mainly allies under the Warsaw Treaty.

          But aren't technology transferred when transferring production licenses? Like, sharpen trunks at least from bamboo.

          Here is how. And do you know the terms of the licenses? And licenses for what, for the production of AK, or for the production of steel? You will not name types of licenses? Not.
          Then the last question. Why are licensed quality AKs in no way compatible with either Soviet or Russian assault rifles? Do not believe? Ask the cave Afghans and Yemenis why at the first opportunity they exchange a new licensed AK for a used Russian one.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 July 2020 13: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Eragon
            Ask the cave Afghans and Yemenis why at the first opportunity they exchange a new licensed AK for a used Russian one.

            They change the counterfeit ones issued in the "garage cooperative" for licensed and Russian ones. AKs produced under license in Bulgaria and the GDR did not differ from the Soviet ones, but the Chinese were shit, tk. they violated technology.
            1. good
              good 16 July 2020 22: 50 New
              0
              there was no license in the socialist countries and in China, they just supplied equipment, drawings and helped to master the product, no more, where there were personnel and technologies mastered faster and better than others
              Yugoslavia itself cloned without any permission as best it could and others also made their clones over time, and so it spread throughout the world over time
              Few people now produce derivatives of Soviet weapons under license.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 July 2020 04: 57 New
    +2
    “Nothing complicated in the creation of Kalashnikov”: Vietnam introduced the STV-410 assault rifle
    Everything ingenious is simple. No wonder AK rivet in any gateway, now here's a Vietnamese. But the question is: what is riveted? It’s not even worth it, because it turns out not AK, but KA-KA in hundreds of options request . AK can’t even be created, but can be done only far in the north. repeat
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 14 July 2020 05: 11 New
    0
    Copying AK by itself is not difficult. It is difficult to reproduce the technology for making the alloy for the barrel. There is some tricky thing there that not every company has forged.
  5. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 05: 14 New
    0
    Of course, "nothing" complicated, only that the same "Kalashnikov" turns out ONLY in Russian factories, and EVERYTHING else is ERZATS. This is especially noticeable not at exhibitions with bright advertisements, but in the campaign and hostilities. In real conditions, the quality of "Kalashnikov" is not an alternative, from the word AT ALL.
    1. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 15 July 2020 18: 32 New
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      Sorry, but how many copies did you personally shoot to talk so categorically about the quality of steel? For example, I only have in caliber 7.62x39: norinko hunter, saiga, wild boar, aes10b, vasr10. A friend has Bulgarian CPR. And there are no surprises. Yes, the quality of the external processing is different, and the Chinese are better than the Romanians. But the difference is minimal in accuracy. Yes, and there are no surprises. Ahead is the hryundel, which is not surprising given its machine-gun barrel and receiver. Aes10v does not lag behind him. They are followed by a hunter with a minimum margin, a milling receiver, a saiga at the hunter level, and a wasr, and the Roman vasr closes, by the way the wasr calmly issues 3moa in a group of 5 shots. CPR, by the way, has 2.75. Well, the rest is a little better. Hryundel gives 2.0. And all our ammunition is waving: goldrn tiger, silver bear, wolf, barnaul. So I don’t think that Russian AK has some kind of magical secret steel whose composition and technology cannot be opened and copied; tea wasn’t elves and red-hued people did this steel. Another thing is that some countries cannot do this steel. But I assure you that neither the Norinko hunter, nor Vasr, nor even the CPR saiga are inferior in anything, the Norinco hunter is even better. And the fact that the Boar is better, well, it’s not a matter of magic steel, but of the banal thickness of the barrel and the receiver, and a more accurate tolerance than on aes10b
      1. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 16 July 2020 01: 08 New
        0
        I personally shot from Chinese, Romanian and Bulgarian. In the dash, it seems to be close to the original, but as soon as a speck of dust settles, water falls, or even simple fogging from a change in temperature, bolt delays, cartridge distortions begin, and in Chinese, shooting generally disappears as a process, it AT ALL disappears. About impacts, falling into sand or concrete - I will NOT say anything AT ALL, only Russian / Soviet "Kalashnikov" works. In a past life, at the end of the last century, I went to work in Cuba, so I saw enough of all sorts of guns and talk about the "quality" of remarks, even to discuss it funny. Also tell me that the M-16 options are also close in quality to the Kalash.
        1. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 16 July 2020 04: 59 New
          0
          Sorry, Sir, but I’m not believing you are in possession of several CIVIL variants of the Kalashnikov assault rifle. On youtube, it’s full of AK bullying videos, for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJn6SYFbHSw, specifically about WASR. The fact that you, either to the village or to the city, dragged the M16 only strengthens my impression of you as ... let's say a poorly informed person with an excessively developed fantasy. By the way, about the M16 and its comparison with the AK. Let's decide WHAT M16 and WHAT Kalash and why. And let's go from there. I repeat what everyone who has at least some experience with the M16 says - keep an eye on your weapons, keep an eye on stores and you will be happy. Many delays in Iraq and Afghanistan were related to aluminum stores - you slightly bend the feeding lips when you fall or fly into the rock with your chest / unloading, and wait for problems. Steel store or even plastic (magpul) is more reliable. Civilians had problems when they mixed Russian ammunition (especially lacquered - lacquered steel), and then without cleaning the barrel (especially the chamber) they drove American brass ammunition there. Do not show yourself as a layman. M16 - a good rifle more sensitive to contamination and ESPECIALLY to the quality of the powder in the cartridges, but more accurate than the AK (with the exception of Hryundel 5.56 / 5.45). But the M4 - yes, there are problems, it works at elevated pressure, since the gas system is shorter and the reliability is LESS than the M16. But if you, sir, had spent more time with the WEAPON, and not at the computer keys, you would know that. In the meantime, start your education in shooting in general and M4 in particular here with this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnht9JIoPy4 Personally, I had problems with M4, but not with M16. Never. And I do not mean that I had them as a civilian. And not with civilian options, namely army ones. As for the AK, the point is not in "the mythical Russian steel made by elves and dwarves, the secret of which no one will ever figure out" but in the banal TOLERANCES and CULTURE of production. Here is an example. There is a company in the USA - Palmetto State Armory, and so they ALSO make AK. And imagine this AK is LESS accurate than BACP. Why? But because on the BACP there is a barrel made according to the ARMY requirements, and on the Palmetto Style - a barrel made according to civil standards. Yes, the PSAK47 body kit is much better, but everyone recommends the WASR-10. And the Chinese Kalash, especially HNM91 are very quoted in the USA. Why? And because, like Norinko Hunter, the NHM91 has a barrel made BY ARMENIAN standards, and the tolerance of parts is such that it can be imported into the United States, and moreover, compete with Bulgarian, Romanian, Hungarian and Yugoslav AK. By the way, NHM91, and MAk90 is considered better than them. Not in the least because of the heavier receiver. Another example, along with AK in the United States at the time, imported Chinese Clones M14. Made by TWO different plants - Norinko and Politek. So the POLYTECH M14S is in no way inferior to the army GI M14, but NORINKO had problems with hardening. Why? And because Norinko M14 was considered an "economic" option. In the US, Chinese AK clones were very much appreciated and appreciated. Unfortunately, they suffered the plot of Boar and Saigi - they are banned from import because of a far-fetched pretext that the Chinese were selling these weapons to bandits. (although the CIA did it). And American arms enthusiasts had chances (unlike you) to compare them with BASR, AMD, Polish, Egyptian, Bulgarian, and even Russian Saiga and boar. And if the Chinese AK is inferior to the Bulgarian and Polish in the quality of the external finish, then in terms of reliability, accuracy and other indicators - not at all. Well, the Boar is taxing everyone. Why? Machine-gun barrel and heavy receiver. Therefore, talk less about what you don’t know. As a civilian owner of weapons, I’m not going to dump my AK from the 5th floor onto asphalt in order to please you. But google, and youtube help you do self-education, sir. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU. And I wonder, Sir, just in the end, where did you get the sharp temperature drops in the dash? Who in dash allowed you to pour water on a weapon and pollute it with dust? It’s just curious where this shooting gallery is and why it hasn’t gone out of business if it allows customers to do whatever they want with weapons belonging to the shooting gallery. Here, tell me, and I will listen. You can’t even write fairy tales to you, not only to talk about weapons, so many obvious inconsistencies that are ridiculous.
          1. Gloomy skeptic
            Gloomy skeptic 16 July 2020 14: 48 New
            -2
            I believe in yours, I don’t believe - violet. I sat in the trenches and the visitor of the ruzhbaek store understood immediately. Cleverness in numbers and letters of types and models only confirms that ANY trunks in your little white hands did not fire more than a couple of shots at a time. And when you live for three days in a trench filled with water, but you clean the M-16 in a swamp slush (if you can), then maybe it will shoot, although I do not know such examples. I don’t have to answer because you even READ carefully my comments didn’t bother, probably not enough time, because you are busy collecting pieces of iron, and I used them very actively.
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 17 July 2020 13: 56 New
              0
              Good day. I apologize for the indiscreet question, but where did you manage to live for three days in a swamp slush in the trenches in the arms of the M-16?
              1. Gloomy skeptic
                Gloomy skeptic 17 July 2020 14: 16 New
                +2
                I did not live in a swamp with an "emka", but local characters who were with me lived nearby. And with fierce envy they watched my AKM shoot, and their crappy pieces of iron were in the rank of a very uncomfortable club. Even the most ancient "Mausers" of the 1910s (some had such) fired, but the "legendary" piece of iron did not. And it was in Cuba in 1986.
                1. Alexander Drobyshev
                  Alexander Drobyshev 17 July 2020 15: 25 New
                  0
                  I wonder where they got the M-16 from? In Angola, it didn’t seem to exist, at least not in large numbers (I only found mention of AR-10 and AR-18). In Nicaragua, the CIA specially supplied non-American weapons, it turns out from El Salvador?
  6. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 14 July 2020 05: 15 New
    +1
    Vietnam will certainly be able to master large-scale production ... Tea, now is not the 19th century. But will he be able to master the production of the necessary steel for barrels and springs? I recall that in the 30s of the USSR the most difficulties were experienced in producing enough expensive alloy steel to rivet millions of automatic and self-loading rifles.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 July 2020 06: 20 New
    0
    Is the Galil ACE [Israeli rifle line] not just a modernization of the original Kalashnikov assault rifle made by two different countries?
    - notes VietDefense.
    Well. And then a few days ago they were analyzing an article in which it was noted with pathos that Vietnam was giving up the Russian AK. What they started to do with Israeli technology at home is only a plus for them, but a minus that they will not buy from us.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 14 July 2020 07: 15 New
      10
      Well. And then a few days ago they were analyzing an article in which it was noted with pathos that Vietnam was giving up the Russian AK.
      This is because the site newsmakers sculpt the news without fully understanding the meaning.
      Vietnam really abandoned the AK and chose the STV-380, which is based on the IWI ACE, as the main small arms. And the described STV-410 is, as we call it, an "initiative development" of the main Vietnamese small arms manufacturing enterprise, the state enterprise Z111, which is located in the city of Thanh Hoa. They work very closely with the Israeli company IWI, the Israelis supply them technology, equipment, specialists help organize production and master technologies.
      The Vietnamese themselves understand that they need to train their own specialists, technologists, designers, metallurgists, and therefore launch such "initiative developments". You need to learn something from something.
      The STV-410 is not a Kalashnikov copy. This is the same IWI ACE, but with "Vietnamese motives" in which there are also "Kalashnikovs". It would be surprising if they weren't. It is highly likely that this sample will remain experimental, and others will be added to it.
      As for the noise of the couch experts about the "secret and inimitable production technologies" of Kalashnikov assault rifles, today it is nothing more than a popular bike.
      1. Afotin
        Afotin 14 July 2020 10: 41 New
        -1
        With regards to technology, they are well known and repeatable. That's just for this you need a serious scientific, technical and industrial basis, which is very, very few.
      2. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 14 July 2020 17: 02 New
        +2
        Interestingly, and STV-416 is a copy of whom? The author somehow forgot to mention him.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 14 July 2020 17: 51 New
          0
          Just the author, when copy-paste, too lazy to clarify the information. The plant exhibited STV-410 and STV-416. In the first, more elements from IWI ACE, in the second - from AK and it is considered a simpler alternative.
          By the way, the lines that "The creation of a modern Kalashnikov assault rifle outside of Russia, frankly, is not so difficult and quite within the power of the Vietnamese defense industry," which the author quotes, refer precisely to the STV-416.
          1. Alexander Drobyshev
            Alexander Drobyshev 14 July 2020 18: 10 New
            0
            To be honest, I personally like the STV-410 precisely because of its design, when I change my MA-AK-03, I’ll try to make the same
          2. good
            good 16 July 2020 23: 06 New
            0
            while fresh equipment will work and the equipment will be normal, as in China
            then there will be a drop in quality
            and it is not known what are the requirements of military acceptance and test methods
            Well, judging by the photo of decisions as in the AK-15, 410 of them were not used, it only looks outwardly and the forend may be hung out, but not a fact
  8. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 July 2020 09: 56 New
    -2
    laughing And permission from the concern “Kalashnikov received? I can’t roll them for such illegal copying at the most.
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 14 July 2020 11: 27 New
      +1
      They bought a license from Israel
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 July 2020 10: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: figvam
    As the publication emphasizes, when the Vietnamese government received a license in 2014 to manufacture Galil Ace

    Most copies of Kalashnikovs are not reliable weapons, unlike Galil, which is made using high-quality metals, Vietnam, having obtained a license from Israel, will be able to produce a reliable machine, and not just a copy.

    Well, will Israel also supply raw materials for trunks? And if he will not be? laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 July 2020 12: 18 New
      +1
      The barrel alloy is critical only in extreme use.
      For example, shoot the entire store in one long burst. But this is for commercials. In battle, shoot in short bursts. Or even solitary. The trunk does not overheat.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 15 July 2020 11: 38 New
        +1
        Sure sure.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In battle, shoot in short bursts. Or even solitary. The trunk does not overheat.

        It was also with MP-18 that the barrel was hidden in a casing so as not to burn the shooter. And with AK and AR-ki, the barrel is hidden in a heat-insulating forend, designed again so as not to burn the shooter's hand.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 July 2020 11: 49 New
          -1
          The barrel heats up - to a severe burn of the hand - even with strictly single shots. In our exercises, the guys were fired from the M-16 barrel. And our lines are prohibited.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 15 July 2020 15: 10 New
            0
            Are your AR banned? Are you fighting Arabs with store rifles?



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            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 15 July 2020 15: 18 New
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              We don’t shoot bursts of fighter’s personal weapons. There is no such item in the training program. Only single shots. In ancient times, when the FN FAL rifle was in service in Israel, they even put a special pin there so that soldiers would not transfer weapons to firing bursts.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 15 July 2020 15: 27 New
              -1
              We are fighting with assault rifles M-16 (in my time) and M-4 and Tavor (now). They have the possibility of firing bursts, but, according to the tactics in the IDF, only single or cutoff fires are allowed (if provided). The IDF inherited this from the English army and has preserved it to this day. Density of fire is provided by machine guns.
              1. Zeev zeev
                Zeev zeev 15 July 2020 15: 31 New
                -1
                And where do we have the cutoffs? What weapon?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 15 July 2020 16: 10 New
                  -1
                  Isn't it on Tabor? I did not use it myself.
                  1. Zeev zeev
                    Zeev zeev 15 July 2020 17: 30 New
                    0
                    Not only in those for export and only on special order
                2. Alexander Drobyshev
                  Alexander Drobyshev 16 July 2020 14: 45 New
                  0
                  Good day. Is M4 not a fixed queue or M4A1?
        2. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 15 July 2020 15: 21 New
          -1
          In MP-18, the tactic of use was to thrash bursts along the trench so that the enemies would not get to the assault group. Therefore, the calculation of the MP-18 was two people: a shooter and an ammunition carrier with a rifle.
          1. Alexander Drobyshev
            Alexander Drobyshev 15 July 2020 16: 50 New
            +2
            That's just the full "Trommelmagazin 08" (TM08) when firing in long bursts due to the design peculiarities, they fired short, and only when there were about 15 cartridges left in the store could a long burst be given, and the carrier carried not just cartridges, but a "small plant" for outfitting these shops

      2. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 16 July 2020 05: 19 New
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        Not really. in the US there is a company Palmetto State Armory, it produces AK- calls it PSAK. So, well-made Kalash, accurate tolerance, only here the barrel on it is made NOT BY ARMENIAN requirements. (military standards), and what is the result? That, on average, accuracy is worse than on the WASR-10, the Romanian AK, where the quality of the exterior and body kit is not too good (the butt is generally made of something ugly). Only now, on average, WASR10 has accuracy in 3MOA, ay PSAK 4MOA. Why? After all, the equipment and clearance on the Palmetto State is excellent, but because the barrel is not of those standards. So trunk metallurgy matters. Americans really like body kits, and PSAK is standard with a good body kit, and many buy it, but if you go to the American arms forums and ask around, they will tell you there - take WASR, there’s a military standard barrel.
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 16 July 2020 14: 56 New
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          Good afternoon. I wanted to ask you a personal question, can you tell a company in the USA what makes AK "custom" similar to STV-410, but not Krebs Custom?
          1. good
            good 16 July 2020 23: 26 New
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            the guys from red October do not do these crafts, but almost AK-12/15 on the Russian parts, except for the box and the barrel as it is in the connecting states, and, well, the civilian staff is local.
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 17 July 2020 00: 24 New
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              Yes, it looks like they are, only I heard about them when there was still no AK-12 in the project. But I can't find a link to "RED October", mostly competitions and a submarine ... Don't you have a normal link?
          2. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 19 July 2020 00: 03 New
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            There are a LOT of AK manufacturers in the US. Yes, at least here https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-e-nutmeg-wood-triangle-side-folding-rifle.html On this one, after hearing customer complaints about the low quality of the barrel finish, they put on the barrel from FNH. Well, all indicators immediately went up. Well, or at least here https://iwi.us/product/gar1639/ this is Galil, exactly what the Vietnamese made their "Kalash" with. Here's another one, https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/zpapm70-zr7762gm-olive-green-polymer-rifle/, RPK receiver, slightly weighted chrome barrel.
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 19 July 2020 07: 52 New
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              Thanks a lot for the links. Sorry, do you have a working link for "RED October"?
  10. Afotin
    Afotin 14 July 2020 10: 34 New
    +1
    Everything as usual. If they hammer in the exact observance of production technology, and this in the case of India will almost certainly happen, then the output will be another fierce crap. In fact, the industrial production of high-quality small arms is an extremely complex and accessible process for far from all countries. No one disputes that under the conditions of pilot production it is possible to make a sample completely surpassing everything that is on the mass market. However, when transferring to the series such a tearing of everyone and all the miracle-yuda, various serious, and sometimes even completely unsolvable problems usually arise. Time will tell.
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 14 July 2020 11: 28 New
      +1
      It's about Vietnam, not India
      1. good
        good 16 July 2020 23: 29 New
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        and what's the difference, in China they scored in due time
  11. My_log_in
    My_log_in 15 July 2020 11: 05 New
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    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    ... But will he be able to master the production of the necessary steel for barrels and springs? ...

    There is such a place in Vietnam - Kamran is called - with the proper approach, you can get a lot from it ...
  12. good
    good 16 July 2020 22: 32 New
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    this is not an AK-15 variant, this is an Israeli AK47 variant
    AK-based automation is also slightly reminiscent of
  13. good
    good 16 July 2020 23: 19 New
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    Quote: Alexander Drobyshev
    To be honest, I personally like the STV-410 precisely because of its design, when I change my MA-AK-03, I’ll try to make the same

    how do you feel gemorno, we have a civilian TR-3 immediately with a thick barrel in stock and everything else in stock from army samples, except for osm
    a chiseled box is not a sign of quality, but a sign of the lack of high-quality mass stamping, and being overweight along with unnecessarily expensive mass product
    for the civilian market, you can certainly sharpen or re-sharpen anything, this is not mass production for the army
    and in the army, ammunition is worse than in the civilian market, even in Russia, even of Russian origin.
    and weapons should work with even worse ammunition in case of war, this is not shooting at a shooting gallery, other requirements
    1. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 17 July 2020 12: 07 New
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      Sorry, before declaring that I have hemorrhoids, first I would have carefully read what I wrote ... And I wrote that I like the STV-410 DESIGN, and not that it has a milled box. TR-3 is of course very similar to what I want to do, but still not that. As close as possible - this is the "RED October" weapon, but I can hardly get it, so I will do it myself, the donor will be VPO-136 "Vepr-KM", an LAC regulated gas block. Rex AK, slotted flash suppressor for AKM from "Armakon" or similar to the flame arrester from M16A2, receiver cover "Bastion", gas tube with RIF bar from "ALFA ARMS", butt FAB DEFENSE UAS-AKM and the rest of the little things. I do not argue a terrible perversion. but it will be mine ...
    2. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 17 July 2020 20: 49 New
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      And at the expense of cartridges, you also slightly bent. 7,62x39mm "Barnaul" are equipped with very "dirty" gunpowder of unknown brand, visually similar to the "Irbis-7,62", the army does not give so much soot. 7,62x39mm KSPZ were equipped so that there were 3-4 cartridges in the pack with a fold on the muzzle
      , almost all bullets in cartridges are planted with bullet shell bullet
      , and the bullets in the cartridges were of different designs - FMJ and FMJ BT with a difference in weight of almost 1 gram (in the photo they weren’t, but they also looked)
      ... Even if you meant "Centaur", they have also deteriorated lately. The only plus of BPZ cartridges is their price
      1. good
        good 1 August 2020 14: 07 New
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        with all this, the gross army ammunition is worse and the gross army 5.56 is not of good quality in all countries

        but making it out of a boar will only be a tuned boar, buy a set of parts from a hollowed out AK12, in the states they sell ready-made ones with a local box and a barrel, and if you live where you can assemble it yourself, collect
        the lid with a bar is differently better for the AK12, and the gas tube with a thermal gap at the gas block
        look for a vidos about the American AK-12 on YouTube, there are people in the comments who collect and sell such kits
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEn-A9HrPBI
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 1 August 2020 15: 00 New
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          Good afternoon. From my own experience I know that our Soviet army cartridge is of a very high quality, our Russian civilians are not up to it. And from European countries producing a non-standard 5,56x45 mm cartridge, I only know France, but there it is because of the peculiarities of the FAMAS rifle. All other countries that issue the 5,56x45 mm NATO cartridge (it is it, not .223 Rem.), Make it to the American standard. And if you have not understood yet, then I live in Russia and buying weapons from the United States is generally impossible. I don't need to buy sets from AK-12, it's easier for me to buy a ready-made TR-3 (AK-15), but if the receiver and its body kit suit me, but the rest is gone, I need an awkward butt and a "bare" barrel like Galil ". Therefore, there will be a tuned VPO-136 "Vepr-KM", since now this is not prohibited here.
          1. good
            good 1 August 2020 15: 45 New
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            But the athletes who shoot thousands in training alone will disagree with you about the quality of noname zinc cartridges fly worse and weapons kill faster

            TR-3 is of course the most expensive serial rifle based on an army machine gun on the market, but it is also more interesting than others immediately in stock, stocks and other things are of course individual and easy to change, but you don't need to spend money on expensive covers, straps and adapters for hitching
            I personally would leave VPO-136 Vepr-KM in stock, it looks like a classic AK-47.
            A matter of taste, of course, but as for me, galil is not the best role model, except perhaps the movable curtain, IWI ACE has nothing interesting there
            Flag translators and Kalashnikov did at first and the milled boxes were not for long and even tried aluminum for the sake of relief, but they abandoned all this in favor of reliability and normal weight and, as a result, only lightened magazines and ammunition, adopting 5.45

            I thought you live in the states, they love the hammer, and tune it, who managed to snatch it before the ban :))
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 1 August 2020 16: 49 New
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              I myself am involved in IPSC, in all three disciplines, and I am familiar with the quality of our commercial cartridges, in the United States there are mainly "surprises" from Eastern Europe and China, and even those with expired expiration dates, Soviet "surprise" comes from Ukraine and he has the same problem, they are overdue, and that's the problem. In Russia, army ammunition is constantly updated in warehouses, and old cartridges are disposed of and replaced with new ones, even 7,62x39 mm, although it has long been removed from service. Tuning VPO-136 "Vepr-KM" is, in general, the only option for me, now I have a MA-AK-03 (about the same as in the photo, now it's really taken apart)
              and I want to do something similar to this assembly
              but since the replacement of the barrel in Russia is essentially equal to the purchase of a new carbine, I will be perverted over the "Veprem", since you can buy it at a discounted price.
            2. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 3 August 2020 14: 56 New
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              Am I starting to grow old or am I just lazy? I was going to "customize" VPO-136 "Vepr-KM", naive, damn it ... I went to the site "Hammer-ARMZ" today. In general, you don't need to do anything ... MA-136-06
              Or already with a body kit Fab Defense Vepr-1V (VPO-126)
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 July 2020 09: 09 New
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    The Vietnamese have outwitted everyone. I would not be surprised if it turns out that the project was done in Russia.
  15. GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 18 July 2020 11: 29 New
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    Even in the states, sometimes complete garbage is released instead of the Kalashnikov ...
    Well, what was done in Vietnam is not known, but if the Israelites were also interrupted, then they obviously wanted to do something normal ...
    But why not buy a license in RUSSIA?
    1. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 20 July 2020 14: 55 New
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      Good afternoon, in 2014, ours asked for more Israel, like more than $ 250 million against 170 million.
  16. CosmonautTV
    CosmonautTV 6 August 2020 23: 08 New
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    Got a license for a stolen copy.
    1. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 10 August 2020 13: 59 New
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      Since when did "Valmet" Rk.62 become a stolen copy? Can you explain?
  17. Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 31 August 2020 20: 15 New
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    Let them do it themselves and suffer ...
  18. Andvigor
    Andvigor 13 September 2020 14: 21 New
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    “Nothing complicated in creating Kalashnikov”
    Kaaaneshno! What is difficult ???!
    All in all, the boy needs to ride a tank, and run around with the PPSh-41, to the Great Patriotic War, and then learn from the great Masters, from Simonov, Degtyarev, Tokarev, Sudaev, Fedorov himself.
    File everything with a file, and nishtyak!
    What is difficult, and, then, ready to saw through ?!
    But there is also a cartridge ...
  19. erased
    erased 1 October 2020 10: 29 New
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    Who hasn't upgraded Kalash yet? Get in line! If you are not tired ...
  20. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 5 October 2020 13: 18 New
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    Superior quality, reliability and durability! I doubt that the Vietnamese were able to copy it exactly