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The Admiral Kuznetsov and the aircraft carrier of the 23000 Storm project with the S-500 air defense system may be part of the Russian Navy

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At the end of June, as a result of a closed tender, the United Shipbuilding Company (USC) selected a dry dock construction contractor to repair the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. According to the general director of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, they became the company Orgenergostroy.

The contractor began work in Murmansk and promised that by the summer of 2021 a warship could be docked.

The head of USC said that repair work at Kuznetsovo is on schedule and that there will be no black smoke after repairs on the aircraft-carrying cruiser:

I think that will not smoke.

In addition, a tender had previously been held to determine the contractor for the repair work. It was attended by the only company, which was entrusted with the repair. The contract value amounted to 251,4 million rubles. The contractor will have to clean and paint the superstructure, as well as repair the hull superstructures.

The ship suffered significant damage after a fire that occurred in December last year during repairs. When welding was carried out, the spark fell into the hold, where fuel was spilled. As a result, two people died and another 14 were injured. The fire was extinguished for almost a day.

Repair of the aircraft carrier began in 2017, at the end of the Kuznetsov’s Syrian campaign. It was decided to carry out repairs and modernization. The Zvezdochka Shipbuilding Center took up this task. It was planned to install new air defense systems on the ship, replace energy equipment, equip the aircraft carrier with new boilers and pumps. In addition, modernization of flight support systems is foreseen. aviation.

The more time the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy is being repaired (modernized), the more questions appear in the expert community about how exactly this warship can protect Russia's interests in the oceans? Questions are also related to statements that a promising aircraft carrier can be built in Russia. We are talking about the model of the aircraft carrier of the 5 Storm project from the Krylovsk Research Center, demonstrated more than 23000 years ago. According to the project, this is a real marine giant with a displacement of up to 100 thousand tons, a length of about 330 m and a crew of up to 5 thousand people.

Earlier it was reported that the laying of the 1st aircraft carrier of project 23000 “Storm” (“Manatee”) could be carried out by 2025, and that the basis for its wing would be deck versions of the Su-35 and Su-57 fighters (Su-35K and Su-57K ) So far, official sources have not even presented such versions of the 4 ++ and 5 generation fighters even in the form of mock variants. Tests of the "regular" (non-deck) version of the Su-57 are ongoing.

There was also information that the Storm aircraft carrier will be equipped with the latest Pro-Mortar Air Defense System S-500K (SAM) - a ship-based version.

Thus, in the case of approval of the project of a promising aircraft carrier, both the Admiral Kuznetsov and the Storm may simultaneously be part of the Navy. True, the price of the issue expressed earlier is at least 350 billion rubles. It was in this amount that the implementation of the mentioned Storm project was evaluated.
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  1. Kolka Semenov
    Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 14: 30 New
    51
    Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 12 July 2020 14: 32 New
      12
      Quote: Semenov Kolka
      Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.

      Did you expect something else?
      1. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 14: 48 New
        10
        Yes, here I’m all waiting for contracts for the Su-35 and a large contract for the modernization of the Su-30 to the level of the Su-35, otherwise I’m gritting my teeth from news like equipping flying clowns instead of combat units.
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 12 July 2020 20: 30 New
          -6
          who is the flying clown ?! get out of your big top !!
          1. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 13 July 2020 06: 40 New
            -1
            I understand that the minusers approve that this character, “Knights” of “Swifts” and “Sokolov” calls “flying clowns”? !!! given that these are all combat pilots and officers !!!
            1. ustal1951
              ustal1951 13 July 2020 07: 58 New
              0
              Here provocateurs and traitors in the form of Svidomo and liberalists flew, but the main thing is that the publication itself is provocative. But Svidomity and liberals, they are like flies, you yourself know what they sit down ...
            2. lirik
              lirik 13 July 2020 17: 07 New
              +3
              Only amateurs and enemies can think so. In fact, military schools do not produce cool pilots, although they assign them the 3rd grade. The guys still have a lot to learn. And here, really aces, who have studied the abilities of their cars thoroughly.
        2. ksan
          ksan 19 July 2020 07: 56 New
          0
          You yourself are CLOWN. If you are talking about "Swift" and "Knights" then these are combat, combat pilots, aces. And they fly on combat aircraft.
      2. Civil
        Civil 12 July 2020 19: 48 New
        +8
        It is necessary to promise 10 aircraft carriers) anyway the result is one) no money
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker 12 July 2020 22: 39 New
          -2
          And then promised that ???? Are there projects that show what?
        2. Clone
          Clone 13 July 2020 02: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: Civil
          anyway the result is one) no money

          I believe that the number of possibly built warships should be measured in churches ...
        3. avia12005
          avia12005 13 July 2020 05: 40 New
          0
          Money just chickens do not peck. No managers. There are menagers promising and stealing.
    2. Nikolay87
      Nikolay87 12 July 2020 14: 44 New
      +2
      Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.

      Took off the tongue.
    3. svp67
      svp67 12 July 2020 14: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Semenov Kolka
      Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.

      Do you have something else in Kyrgyzstan?
      1. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 14: 55 New
        25
        Or maybe then you will be even on Afghanistan? That's where the not plowed field is!
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 July 2020 14: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Semenov Kolka
          Or maybe then you will be even on Afghanistan? That's where the not plowed field is!

          Isn't that plowed up there ...? No crops of opium poppy and drug production will leave you ...
      2. Stalllker
        Stalllker 12 July 2020 22: 41 New
        0
        And they don’t have anything at all, not on paper, not in the layout
      3. Clone
        Clone 13 July 2020 03: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Do you have in Kyrgyzstan

        In Kyrgyzstan ??? Aircraft carriers ??? Your ... division !!! How are we behind. belay
    4. mdsr
      mdsr 12 July 2020 14: 59 New
      32
      Quote: Semenov Kolka
      Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.

      So what? While the people are boiling, they will feed him only pasta and hang noodles on their ears. They promised us 2300 Armat, hundreds of Su-57, thousands of Boomerangs, Kurgan, Coalition, destroyer Leader, 12 DE submarines Lada and much more by 2020 fellow What we really got from this is chickens to laugh. The attraction of generous promises continues! smile
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 July 2020 17: 16 New
        14
        Quote: mdsr
        So what? While the people are waving,

        Not people hawala, but the helmsmen stuff the people with this noodle. But in fact, there is only theft, the prohibitive salaries of the servants of the people and the desire to sit by any means at this feeding trough.
        The personality cult flourishes, bureaucrats from fat generally lost all connection with reality, along with their conscience, as well as the majority of those who became rich in the Russian Federation. But this is not enough for them ... the retirement age must be raised! To hammer on the people during quarantine ... in the USA, which we all here together in a friendly manner, and not sickly money was given to children, and gum help, and benefits, etc. ...
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 12 July 2020 23: 14 New
          -2
          Quote: NEXUS
          The personality cult flourishes, bureaucrats from fat generally lost all connection with reality, along with their conscience, as well as the majority of those who became rich in the Russian Federation. But this is not enough for them ...
          and you must believe naively believe that - white lives matters ?? !!
      2. 5-9
        5-9 12 July 2020 17: 38 New
        -6
        I ask the next character a question, who exactly promised you 2 thousand Armat by 2020?
        1. mdsr
          mdsr 12 July 2020 20: 04 New
          10
          I remember that the director general of Uralvagonzavod Oleg Sienko spoke about this, do you know this? He announced the terms (until 2020), and the cost of the tank (250 million rubles), and the size of the funds put into the GPV for the purchase of 2300 vehicles (more than $ 9 billion) on the Armata platform. SUCH fellow not forgotten
          1. 5-9
            5-9 13 July 2020 08: 42 New
            -2
            Can I link? For this is obvious nonsense ... to make 2200 tanks in a few years (we even ignore the fact that this is a "new model"), when the total number of troops in the country is 2300, and in the USA 1400, and in the FRG 225 .... it’s even Before / during the war in the 21st century, the whole world can’t handle it.
            Even from a technological point of view, when 2200 tanks were voiced just for the life cycle, then why and how to increase production capacity by 10 times, so that later they would stand idle ???
            On the other hand, it’s the director of the plant, his message is “People, give me the money, I’ll work out .... can talk anything like IlonnashefsёMask
            On the part of the MO, were there such statements?
      3. Stalllker
        Stalllker 12 July 2020 22: 42 New
        -3
        What does ??? In addition to you, in my opinion, no one is discussing such topics at all. Real people are very interested in something else
      4. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 12 July 2020 23: 14 New
        +3
        The prophet Abel, who lived about 300 years ago, ,, politically incorrectly, called this about, the Yid yoke ,,, dear mdsr.
        There is reason to believe that this period in the history of Russia is ending. A future state on the territory of Russia will certainly be less deceitful and ponteous, less false and stupid. In its existence there will be much more MEANING
        1. Miron
          Miron 14 July 2020 08: 43 New
          -2
          Welder setting fire to Kuznetsov Russian.
          The Russians poured fuel in the holds.
          The crane operator who did not unhook the mount of the Russian crane.
          The deputy chief of the pier, who gave the go-ahead to the tugboats to pull the ship with the gear of a Russian crane.
          The drown was drowned by the Russians.
          And the Jedi are to blame.
          World Zionism.
          If only the comrade above does not hint that all these aircraft carriers, and in general all of Russia with its Siberia, are zhedovskie little things. And that Russian, to heal "as it should be" and the tire is enough.
          Could be so.
    5. Maz
      Maz 12 July 2020 15: 09 New
      17
      not a damn thing is moving there, as it stood and stands

      Yesterday filmed from the bay
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 12 July 2020 15: 30 New
        0
        The place is damned, there Gorshkov was standing !!! We must drag a couple of berths closer to the exit. Remove the icebreakers!
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 12 July 2020 16: 09 New
        +1
        Thank you, dear Rosta for Kuzey. Time flies so fast, childhood, and now ...
      3. Stalllker
        Stalllker 12 July 2020 22: 43 New
        -1
        And where should he move ???? )))))
      4. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 12 July 2020 23: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        not a damn thing is moving there, as it stood and stands
        comes out - "WITH" . ?! Stability !!!
    6. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 12 July 2020 17: 30 New
      23
      Quote: Semenov Kolka
      Breakfast meals and PR projects instead of real achievements.

      I’d just like to know who and what was punished by the Rosneft’s senior staff for the drowned Roslyakov dock and the damage to Kuza, as well as who of the USC’s senior staff was held accountable for transferring it to the office, the Navy and shipbuilding . And who will finance the construction of the dry dock?
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 12 July 2020 23: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: Andrew NM
        И who will finance dry dock construction?
        if you live in the Russian Federation, then The answer is obvious ... - YOU !!!
    7. smart ass
      smart ass 14 July 2020 06: 09 New
      -1
      Blacksmiths for us, the storm and captain America))))
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 12 July 2020 14: 33 New
    -1
    One Kuzya eats a quarter of the budget.
    He needs to pair something else thicker.
    First, add the purpose of this device to the doctrine, then it will become clear what exactly is needed and whether it is necessary at all.
  3. Avior
    Avior 12 July 2020 14: 36 New
    10
    I did not see the figures, how much will the repair of Kuznetsov as a whole cost. Somehow everything is written in pieces. That painting the port side, then starboard .....
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 12 July 2020 14: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      I did not see the figures, how much will the repair of Kuznetsov as a whole cost.

      This is not to scare the public. Yes, and all sorts of schemes, crank easier, apparently ...
    2. mvg
      mvg 12 July 2020 17: 15 New
      +3
      Did not see numbers

      Repair and modernization, the figure flashed 100 billion. Plus a fire of 120 million. This is the media, so it's skeptical.
      1. bayard
        bayard 13 July 2020 02: 09 New
        0
        The numbers of 50 and even 60 billion rubles flashed. , but due to everything else, your digital figure will probably be closer to reality in the end.
        100 billion rubles - They promised to put Nakhimov into modernization, but there they already seem to dance to 200 billion.
        1. mvg
          mvg 13 July 2020 22: 20 New
          +3
          100 billion rubles - promised to put in the modernization of "Nakhimov"

          Nakhimov 80. Do you know how tenders are won? And your humble servant as well. First, a minimal proposal, then additional agreements and incomplete work. No matter how sad it sounds.
          But 350 billion, it's divine. $ 5 billion, depending on what the Storm is.
  4. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 14: 38 New
    +9
    In connection with the above, I have a few questions ...
    - Have we already learned how to build corvettes in 2-3 years?
    - Do we have 100 KIAPs already equipped with pilots who completed a training course in Nitka? Navy is not clear that the MiG-29 must have at least 36 pieces?
    - Why were the Ka-32 / AWACS transferred to the Black Sea Fleet?
    1. Kolka Semenov
      Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 15: 02 New
      +2
      Corvettes have been building for 10 years, and if they are finally mastered, they begin to float 2-3 pcs. per year, then they are removed from production and put on a slipway of a freak like 20386. This is wrecking.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 15: 07 New
        +7
        Treason in the form of wrecking. 20386 and the BMZ does not nearly corrode, moreover, it is precisely the ships in the OVR that are needed to ensure the deployment of nuclear submarines, etc. The price is two times more than that of pr.20380, Was. Now it’s surely grown even more surely overtaking Project 22350, with significantly worse performance ...
        Recently there was a rumor that at the NEA they would resume laying the ships of Project 20380. And silence, damn it ...
        1. Kolka Semenov
          Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 15: 39 New
          12
          In general, the concept of a pair of 20380 and 22350 was ideal: on the one hand it is not Bismarck or Tirpitz, who if drowned is a tragedy for the nation and a hole in the forces of the fleet, on the other hand they have powerful anti-aircraft defense based on Polyment / Redoubt and they are biting - He will not work out a hat analysis, he will have to tinker with them. That is, too small to divert serious forces on them and too strong to ignore them. Optimum, especially given the somewhere sevenfold superiority of the US and NATO fleets over ours.
          No, instead of going some kind of muddy modernization of 1155 into some kind of underfregate, they put on the slipway absolutely disastrous 20386 and lower the hellish breakthrough of money for Nakhimov, which would be enough for the construction of 5-6 Gorshkovs.
          That is why pr. 1155, which is essentially anti-submarine, strike weapons, while its air defense was criminally weak and remained.
          But Nakhimov is precisely this Bismarck - big, tasty. Drown - a hole in the fleet and a disaster for the nation ...
          At the same time, no one is going to change the terrible position with anti-submarine aviation - the IL-38 and go will not be able to turn the barrels in front of the plebs, so why is it needed at all. So, large ships, in which case the first to go to the bottom - superiority in submarines in the United States and NATO is simply overwhelming.

          There is generally no reason for optimism, and such articles also spoil the mood.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 15: 50 New
            +7
            All right said. Since 1155, we were fatally late with Art Nouveau. Most adequate Comrades in the General Staff of the Fleet offered in the region of 2005-2006, budget calibration of all available ships pr.1155. + find the opportunity to repair Kharlamov.
            The essence of modernity.
            The main thing is the installation of a new KSU instead of the dismantled avionics, to invest 2 TPK Gauge per pipe in the standard PU Rastrub. As a result, for a relatively small amount, the ship received a doubling of the number of missiles - getting the opportunity to use both the PLUR, the KR, and the RCC. It was 8 85RU would be 16 calibers. Well, just like now. That's just the price would be really high for the modernization of all available ships.
            if there is an opportunity and money, strengthening air defense. But the main ship was able to strike both at the submarine and at the submarine and along the coast, and not as it was before - when the ship could strike only at the submarine and was extremely limited by the submarine.
            1. Kolka Semenov
              Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 17: 58 New
              +2
              IMHO, pr.1155 without air defense is not needed at all. VTG could manage instead of costly modernization, all the more according to rumors it gives another + 5-10 years of operation, and then everything :(

              Again IMHO, the old Soviet ships should be allowed to die quietly and instead build the most unified fleet in their place, where the base will be 22350 as air defense ships and 20380 as PLO, well, you can also upgrade Orlans and Atlanta without fanaticism, that is, not for 10-15 years and not at 200 billion to lower them.
              Here is another claim I have to UDC: will they sculpt an anti-submarine cruiser from it? If not, then this trough will require an escort and the frigates will be forced to accompany this miscarriage instead of performing combat missions. If they try to make him built-in air defense, then Santa Barbara will soon be waiting for us with transfers and the smooth transformation of 100 billion expenses into 1 trillion. That is, we again have a complete misunderstanding on the part of the planners and a purely ostentatious project.

              As a result, we do not have a fleet, we have stagnation of the Air Force and the degradation of the ground forces.
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 12 July 2020 23: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Semenov Kolka
            In general, the concept of a pair of 20380 and 22350 was ideal:
            In general, the concept of a couple, - PROVEN ITS fallacy (!) even during the USSR, when the couple also thought 1155 and 956 !!!. hi
            1. Kolka Semenov
              Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 23: 37 New
              -1
              Slammed a minus. The concept of 956 and 1155 was indeed a failure, but at what stage of dementia one must be in order to compare these two projects with 20380 and 22350!
              1. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 13 July 2020 00: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                Slammed a minus.
                beautiful. This is manly. good
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                to compare these two projects with 20380 and 22350!
                That you deigned about the concept of PAIRS (!)and I answered you (!). yes first, such concepts (as later practice showed), look smoothly exclusively on paper (!), but in fact .... ?!. the second, 20380, cannot always effectively accompany 22350, already due to the fact that it has much weaker seaworthiness (!). Their first trip (20380, to the Red Sea), as I understand it, delivered little enthusiasm to the crews (!). And without the presence nearby 22350 (read near the antenna "Poliment"), the complex of air defense systems "Redoubt" corvette, will be real, - legally competent (!). third, - you deigned to call the corvette 20380, not otherwise than accepted by the layman, -
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                and 20380 as PLO
                ... but let me ask you, why this PLO corvette can effectively counteract enemy submarines ?! "Package-NK" ?! I’m wondering what a probable enemy on the submarine will let a corvette 14-18 km ?! and even if using a helicopter, the corvette will detect the enemy’s submarines on Longer Removal than he can attack her ?! winked this is not a PLO corvette but really - an ultra-expensive fiction !! The capabilities of 22350 both in seaworthiness, and in the possibility of detecting submarines of a probable enemy, and in air defense, are an order of magnitude higher than 20380, so what does he need in the “CONNECTION concept”it was you who matched such a "partner" as the corvette 20380), -
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                In general, the concept of a pair of 20380 and 22350 was ideal:
                (it's just to remind) smile
                So whose dementia were you talking about ?! -
                Quote: Semenov Kolka
                but what stage of dementia should you be in,
                belay ?!
                1. Kolka Semenov
                  Kolka Semenov 13 July 2020 00: 45 New
                  -2
                  [quote = Nemchinov Vl] beautiful. This is manly. good [/ Quote]

                  Glad you rated :)

                  [quote] That you deigned about the concept and I answered you.
                  first, such concepts (as later practice showed), look smoothly exclusively on paper but in fact ....
                  the second, - 20380, cannot always effectively accompany 22350, already because it has much weaker seaworthiness [/ quote]

                  Everything is simple here: since the enemy at sea is stronger on average seven times, you will have to fight off your coast, and there it seems like a storm is not very strong :-)

                  [quote] Their very first campaign (20380, into the Red Sea), as I understand it, delivered little enthusiasm to the crews. And without the presence of nearby 22350, we read next to the Polyment antenna, the Redut air defense system of the corvette, will be real, conditionally capable [/ quote]

                  Disgusting manner of constructing sentences and overlapping using html.
                  As for the ligament, as I said, they won’t have to swim far from their shores, so it’s bearable.
                  [quote] the third, - you deigned to call the corvette 20380, not otherwise accepted by the layman, - and 20380 as a PLO but let me ask you, - and than this PLO corvette, can effectively counteract the enemy Packet-NK submarine what probable enemy is on the submarine, will allow the corvette to come to him 14-18 km and even if using a helicopter, the corvette will find the enemy submarine at a greater distance, than he can attack it it will not corrode the PLO but really is an ultra-expensive fiction [/ quote]

                  This shortcoming is solved by modernization, and at the same time not very radical. This is a jamb of crafts that they cannot even implement a successful concept in the right way.

                  [quote] The possibilities of 22350 both in seaworthiness, and in the possibility of detecting submarines of a probable enemy, and in air defense, are an order of magnitude higher than 20380, so to him in the "CONCEPT concept" In general, the concept of a pair of 20380 and 22350 was ideal: [/ quote ] (it's just to remind) smile [/ Quote]

                  Then what 20380 is like in a joke: will you eat? - and what choice? - Yes or no.
                  22350 it is good, but it is done one at a time in two years, and the head one went into operation 13 years after the bookmark. And 20380 it is "bad" - that is, it needs modernization, but the industry has mastered it at the very least and can put into operation two pieces a year.
                  Choosing between the purple candy of a well-known factory and any corvettes, the weakness of which is the absence of long-range torpedoes, I still choose corvettes.


                  [quote] So whose dementia were you talking about ?! - [quote = Kolka Semenov] but what stage of dementia should be, [/ quote] belay ?![/ Quote]

                  A dude who really compares a pair of 20380/22350 with a really failed 956/1155 :)
                  1. Nemchinov Vl
                    Nemchinov Vl 13 July 2020 01: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Semenov Kolka
                    Dude which really compares a couple 20380/22350 with real failures 956/1155 :)
                    ?! true ?! those. as in the old pair of 956 air defense and 1155 anti-aircraft defense ?!
                    Quote: Semenov Kolka
                    Again IMHO, old Soviet ships must be allowed to die quietly and instead build the most unified fleet in their place, where the basis will be 22350 as air defense ships and 20380 as air defense
                    it your or my quote ?! belay I applaud you twice lol good
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 00: 04 New
              +1
              You didn’t mix anything up? Right?
        2. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 12 July 2020 23: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Recently there was a rumor that at the NEA they would resume laying the ships of Project 20380. And silence, damn it ...
          and well damn (!)... how much can be produced super expensive (17-18 + billion) and at the same time non-functional, in terms of armament, draft corvette ?! It must be either cheapened by replacing the non-functional "Redoubt" (without "Poliment") with "Calm-1", and think about and how can he "really drive away the submarine", instead of the "Pack-NK", at a distance of 20-35 km. (at least !!) .... Or discontinue production replacing the same 11664 ...
  5. Junior Warrant Officer
    Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 14: 40 New
    -8
    And will an ice class aircraft carrier be built for the NSR?
    But will there ever be aircraft carriers in the Caspian and Baikal?
    And what will happen before, an aircraft carrier or a fifth-generation carrier-based aircraft?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 12 July 2020 15: 21 New
      0
      I don’t know how it is now, before the Avik had to accelerate in order to let out planes. You won’t be able to disperse into the ice, if you were a super duper of the ice class.
      1. Junior Warrant Officer
        Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 15: 30 New
        -3
        It turns out that all our 6 icebreakers were left without aviation cover in case of what?
        Does the ice class BDK even have in our project? Well, so that 4 meters of ice can penetrate a ramp?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 12 July 2020 15: 42 New
          +1
          Of course there are penguins to drive in Antarctica. And in the Arctic, all the polar bears in Shoigu are registered. Even the team has Polar bears in their paws as a selection from size 44 and up.
          1. Junior Warrant Officer
            Junior Warrant Officer 12 July 2020 15: 53 New
            +1
            But Shoigu does not have such authority in the Arctic for killer whales and polar bears as for Zverev, Moiseev, Penkin and other banned LGBT people ....
            Do you know why?
            The guys in the army served, unlike our minister of defense ...
            I am here on such reproaches, ladies of the commanders-in-chief from NATO countries are spreading ... And what should I do?
            To say that a simpotic man is better than a terrible woman?
            Let the strong love the strong! For the Ministry of Emergencies - he is a hero, he created it ... for Moscow Region - he is not quite a hero ............................... .....
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 12 July 2020 16: 22 New
              +1
              And I thought the polar bears have all the military men in authority. Together with the kids of the military they took selfies. The photo on the open spaces is full. And how they hang out with midshipmen and young lieutenants ....
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 July 2020 14: 42 New
    +9
    Why on the C500 aircraft carrier? Americans do not complicate an aircraft carrier with such systems. For this, there are destroyers and cruisers with powerful air defense. Are we experiencing a rhino bulldog again? There are tests of a ship model, from countries that have passed the evolutionary path in their development and construction.
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 July 2020 15: 00 New
      +3
      The use of air defense missiles with powerful missiles creates the problem of the release and landing of aircraft, so they are not even put on aircraft carriers.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 July 2020 15: 15 New
        0
        And why do we design? Also onyxes with a caliber will put
        1. Mirabo
          Mirabo 12 July 2020 18: 43 New
          +5
          Poseidon is still in the hold, Peresvet deck and you can even go to San Diego alone
    2. D16
      D16 12 July 2020 15: 46 New
      +3
      Why on the C500 aircraft carrier?

      What if he is alone on the American coast? Who will provide missile defense during the construction of the new Fort Ross? laughing All with you. laughing
  7. svp67
    svp67 12 July 2020 14: 45 New
    +6
    How much can .. When will the laying of the two promised UDC in Kerch happen? Hope for the day of the Navy?
    And an aircraft carrier should not be as strong as its missiles, as a powerful and diverse aircraft group ...
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 12 July 2020 15: 16 New
      -8
      Quote: svp67
      And an aircraft carrier should not be as strong as its missiles, as a powerful and diverse aircraft group ...

      There is never much firepower.
      But which of the mattress aviks can alone repel a massive raid?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        beat off a massive raid alone?

        Anyone standing in service, his air group will not give and will approach enemy aircraft.
      2. svp67
        svp67 12 July 2020 15: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        But which of the mattress aviks can alone repel a massive raid?

        For whose other aircraft carriers is capable of causing such harm to entire states, except for the American?
        I don’t think that there is a need for a new aircraft carrier to install such a voluminous and powerful anti-aircraft system, it is better to have it on escort ships, and the aircraft carrier has its own fighter air group that can destroy an enemy for thousands of kilometers ...
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 22 New
      -3
      These UDCs have a lot more sense than an aircraft carrier. The Turks seem to want to put UAVs on their UDC. Maybe it makes sense for us to take such a path.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 July 2020 15: 31 New
        +2
        Turks want f-35
        Americans don't give them
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 36 New
          -1
          After abandoning the F35, they are working on adapting the current UAVs for UDC.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 July 2020 16: 01 New
            +2
            Forced ersatz.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 12 July 2020 17: 24 New
              -1
              In this case, yes. But the replacement of manned UAV aircraft has already begun. The same MQ25 for US aircraft carriers.
      2. Region68
        Region68 12 July 2020 16: 53 New
        0
        Turkish UAVs put?
  8. Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 12 July 2020 14: 55 New
    +2
    They may or may not be. The usual chatter about the "bright future".
  9. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 14: 55 New
    11
    Exactly, the question is how much this ship (Kuznetsov) enhances the security of our country? How efficient is he? What are his tasks? Isn’t he like an expensive shotgun without ammunition that simply hangs pathetically on the wall to impress the guests?
    After all, this ship is far from the best design for an aircraft carrier, far from an ideal power plant, with an archaic composition of the wing, without the generally clear task of why it exists. Just in case, what if you need it?) To keep a floating archaic airdrome near its borders is such a half-hearted decision. When it seems to be there, but it seems to be not.
    If we really need blood from the nose, aircraft carriers are needed - we need to work out this project from 0 and create it for a specific task and a specific fleet. And so we are dealing with abstraction like five-tower tanks ..
    1. D16
      D16 12 July 2020 15: 39 New
      0
      What are his tasks?

      Covering the SSBN deployment areas. For wars with the Papuans, he is not suitable.
      If we really need nosebleeds, we need aircraft carriers

      One is needed in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but in light of the emergence of new GZ anti-aircraft missiles of a missile base with a range of 2000+ km, it’s not so ... The enemy PLO aircraft can drive off frigates and coastal aviation.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 July 2020 16: 04 New
        +2
        So another logical question comes out of this - is “Kuznetsov” capable of technically fulfilling this task today? Are its equipment and construction capabilities sufficient?
        His readiness to perform this task also causes me skepticism - considering not even his current state, but the distance to the place of greatest relevance and operating experience in the Mediterranean.
        All the same, the warship is somewhat not what we observed then. Even before an unsuccessful repair, breaking through a crane, fire, etc.
        1. D16
          D16 12 July 2020 16: 11 New
          +1
          Is there such a problem at the moment? Since the 88th year a lot of water has flowed. And the exit to the middle earth is true. The elephant was driven through the streets laughing .
      2. Avior
        Avior 12 July 2020 16: 08 New
        +1
        We discussed something like this here. It is possible to counteract one’s enemy combat aircraft really at a relatively not very large distance from the coast, otherwise it is difficult to provide reinforcement if necessary. Frigates, after all, also need to be covered from the air
        1. D16
          D16 12 July 2020 16: 19 New
          -4
          The frigates themselves are toothy, and they have a walkie-talkie laughing . Again, enemy attack aircraft from the air do not materialize, and the direct task of coastal aviation and ICAPL is to prevent the appearance of carriers. SSBNs can also shoot from the base.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 July 2020 16: 30 New
            +2
            Enemies, perhaps, will not circulate over frigates.
            During an air attack, and this is a matter of minutes, coastal aviation will not help.
            1. D16
              D16 12 July 2020 16: 37 New
              -2
              For a few minutes they have enough of their BC. Coastal aviation does not allow the appearance of carriers of strike aircraft. More than one frigate is fighting with their fleet.
              1. Avior
                Avior 12 July 2020 18: 00 New
                -1
                Aviation ensures massiveness and suddenness of use; BC will not change anything here.
                And how not to allow the appearance of media?
                Even reconnaissance is virtually impossible without cover.
                1. D16
                  D16 12 July 2020 19: 27 New
                  -1
                  Even reconnaissance is virtually impossible without cover.

                  Somehow taG:
                  https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/724540-sputniki-pion-nks-sistema-liana
                  There are also over-the-horizon radars.
                  BC will not change anything here.

                  Only hornets do not take off from the water laughing
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 12 July 2020 19: 46 New
                    0
                    Both satellite and over-the-horizon radars do not provide the quality of information that conventional over-the-horizon ones.
                    Low noise immunity.
                    And they cannot provide target designation. They have a completely different purpose.
                    All the same, there should be at least an AWACS aircraft.
                    Without cover, he simply will not come close to the aircraft carrier, he will be discovered very far
                    1. D16
                      D16 12 July 2020 19: 49 New
                      0
                      They cannot direct a missile, but Tu22M3 or MIG-31K completely.
                      Low noise immunity.

                      Do multimeter stations? lol
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 19: 52 New
                        -1
                        Satellite low power.
                        But the over-the-horizon detection probabilities are very low, and the possibility of target recognition is even lower.
                        As long as there is no DRLO intelligence, no one will send drums, it will be wasted
                      2. D16
                        D16 12 July 2020 20: 23 New
                        0
                        Satellite low power.

                        There are satellite radar and optical.
                        the ability to recognize goals is even lower.

                        I wonder what they were then being built for since the 70s? laughing Recognize such things by indirect signs.
                        No intelligence AWACS yet

                        Почему нет? laughing
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 20: 29 New
                        0
                        There are .but there are their own nuances.
                        Over-horizon ones were originally built for SPRN. And there they really effectively detect mass launches of ICBMs.
                        But they do not have close such efficiency for other purposes.
                        I am silent about vulnerability in the event of hostilities.
                        And the newcomer will not miss.
                        Without additional reconnaissance AWACS to raid- throw ammunition to the wind.
                      4. D16
                        D16 12 July 2020 21: 26 New
                        +1
                        There are .but there are their own nuances.

                        Of course have. Weather for example.
                        Overseas originally built for SPRN

                        Yes. And they are two-dimensional. But the steamboats cannot fly. Single launches in the Mediterranean were quite seen and made conclusions.
                        I am silent about vulnerability in the event of hostilities.

                        If AUGs come out in a threatened period, they will be grazed by all possible means. And I don’t see much sense in their arrival to the highly radioactive coast after the exchange of strikes, the Progress Report will also have nowhere to send. laughing
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 22: 21 New
                        -1
                        Of course have. Weather for example.

                        and not only that.
                        Single launches in the Mediterranean were quite seen and made conclusions.

                        have seen. once in decades.
                        and then with an error. air defense tests turned into ballistic missile launches.
                        they, of course, sometimes see something with the probability of "maybe yes and maybe no."
                        are you going to build a fight on this?
                        special sense in their arrival at the highly radioactive coast

                        which immediately brings to the nuclear missile global war.
                        Despite the fact that in the whole history there was nothing similar. Above, those who make decisions do not want to spend the rest of their life in the bunker.
                        they have a wonderful life without it.
                        but we, in fact, discussed a completely different thing ....
                      6. D16
                        D16 12 July 2020 23: 03 New
                        0
                        have seen. once in decades.

                        Have you been sitting at the monitor for all these decades?
                        they, of course, sometimes see something with the probability of "maybe yes and maybe no."

                        "According to the general, the station, in particular, will see the take-off of carrier-based aircraft in the waters of the Baltic, Black and Mediterranean Seas." (c)
                        https://rg.ru/2020/04/10/v-vs-rf-rasskazali-o-preimushchestvah-zagorizontnoj-rls-kontejner.html#:~:text=Командующий%20войсками%20противовоздушной%20и%20противоракетной,загоризонтной%20радиолокационной%20станции%20"Контейнер".&text="С%201%20декабря%20прошлого%20года,стране%20загоризонтная%20РЛС%20"Контейнер".
                        Like indirect signs laughing
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 23: 31 New
                        +1
                        but let’s not take seriously the news from the future tense with the word “will”.
                        Decades used, how do you write, used, and everything "will"?
                        For the purpose of detection, they use surface-wave radars, they just give less or less result, but their range is 200-300 km, they are used to control the economic zone. Sometimes in exercises. In a real combat situation, they were never used or tested.
                        But are we talking about something else?
  • loki565
    loki565 12 July 2020 14: 58 New
    +4
    If the repair of Kuznetsov is delayed for years, then a new one will be built from scratch for about ten years.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 57 New
      +5
      We have been building corvettes for ten years.
    2. Avior
      Avior 12 July 2020 16: 13 New
      +1
      The French built 15. Since the adoption of the drawings, 20 years.
  • Avior
    Avior 12 July 2020 15: 03 New
    +5
    I don’t hear what else.
    One of the problems based on Kuznetsov initially was the lack of infrastructure, while the ship wastes a resource.
    How about this question?
    Or will they make repairs, and the resource will again go to the ship’s parking?
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 12 July 2020 15: 26 New
      +3
      After the repair, it will stand on Atomflot. As they begin to build a berth in Severomorsk, it means the Storm to be.
  • Old26
    Old26 12 July 2020 15: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Where we are, there is victory
    The Russian fleet has always been armed with only the best ships in the world, so there is no doubt that the "storm" will soon shut up any mattresses aircraft carrier pelvis.

    "Catch the calf and the wolf."
    Not built NO ONE a normal aircraft carrier, faced with childish illnesses, this is how Americans are planning to shut up .... They don’t forget to equip these "shutter ships" with 8th generation spaceships that will tear American F-35s am
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 14 New
      +4
      Does it make sense to us from aircraft carriers? There are no questions to UDC, a universal machine that covers many problems.
      All our access to the sea can be blocked (except for submarines), there are no important overseas interests, there are no main zones of interests on land, there is no strong fleet of the ocean zone, and there is no way to create an ACG.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 July 2020 15: 32 New
        +1
        Take a look at the armament section a bit ago, recently there have been a couple of major battles on this subject. smile
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 34 New
          0
          It's not interesting there already smile discussion of the materials of day 2 is ongoing, 3 days straight if a very hot topic.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 July 2020 16: 15 New
            0
            There is a slice of opinions
      2. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 19: 19 New
        -5
        I don’t see the point either in AV or in UDC - one disorder. Who will cover this economy? Where to build this farm? What kind of troops will have to be stripped in order to have a useless and expensive toy that does not change the balance of the sea, but only makes the Amer’s development of the GZUR more justified?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 12 July 2020 21: 48 New
          0
          UDC is a very useful ship. This is essentially a hangar with a take-off deck. You can use as you like. The transfer of troops and equipment, aviation support, a command and medical center, to help people during emergencies, is useful in the military and peace.
          1. Kolka Semenov
            Kolka Semenov 12 July 2020 21: 57 New
            -2
            Nonsense. Even too lazy to comment.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 12 July 2020 22: 01 New
              +1
              By your logic, and support ships are not needed? Some destroyers and frigates?)) The Turks will commission their UDC next year, do they need us?
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 12 July 2020 23: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Turks own UDC

                it’s not a ship for the defense of Turkey and a satellite of the United States to provide cannon fodder operations in the interests of the United States .... and world backstage .... and for the defense of Russia not only UDC and AB are needed, but also destroyers with cruisers and battleships, are needed Nuclear submarines, minesweepers, coastal aviation, ICBMs, air defense, etc. If they begin building UDC in the Russian Federation, then our country is also an American colony and it has been obliged to provide cannon fodder operations in the interests of the USA, TNCs and the world behind the scenes as a regular American colony
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 15: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    How efficient is he?


    An aircraft carrier is always combat-ready as much as his aircraft group is combat-ready. And this is not the case ...
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 24 New
      -3
      For the normal operation of an aircraft carrier, 3-4 types of different aircraft are needed, we do not have one. Their creation is a separate saga.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 15: 26 New
        0
        Actually, exactly two is enough for normal operation - IS and Airplane (LA) for AWACS.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 29 New
          +1
          Two types of fighters, AWACS, tanker.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 15: 35 New
            0
            Why two types of fighter - justify?
            In my opinion it’s enough to have deck information security with the possibility of suspension under it UPAZ and containers RTR / REB ....
            Photo MiG-29 with UPAZ probably saw?
            and of course LA DRLO. This is the problem. Helicopter is not a solution. We will be saved only by either an unmanned aerial vehicle with a KRL radar or, if there is a technical possibility of creation, a ship-based unmanned airship.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 12 July 2020 15: 40 New
              0
              One is more for attack, the other is more for gaining air superiority. This is not important. There are no questions regarding AWACS. Of course, you can use a fighter from the current squad for a refueling machine, but it’s expensive. The fact that at least 2 agrees, but not for normal.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 16: 04 New
                +1
                USN has exactly one fighter. There is a place to be a squadron specialization. Most are prepared as drummers, and the smaller as fighters.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 23 New
                  0
                  In the sense of USA? They have F / A-18E / D (EA-18), F35C, E-2 Hawkeye, UAV MQ-25 (fueling tank, in the future). I focus on them.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 12 July 2020 16: 33 New
                    -1
                    Until recently, there were 2- Hornet and Hokai. Managed somehow.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 38 New
                      +1
                      There were fighters F14, Hornet and Super Hornet. F14 were written off, Hornets are written off instead of them are F35C, Super Hornets 10-15 years will definitely still serve.
                      The role of the tanker is now performed by the Super Hornets, this fleet is categorically not satisfied, in the next couple of years the MQ25 will go into production.
                      Instead of EA-6B are EA-18
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 18: 03 New
                        0
                        There used to be a lot of things. Intruders and more.
                        But actually it came down to Hornet of two modifications, simply because the old ones were not written off. Hokayu
                        In practice, it was easy to do with one Superhornet and a drill
                      2. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 18: 11 New
                        +1
                        It was a short period of time, only because the F14 fell apart from old age, and the F35C did not manage to be adopted.
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        F / A-18E / D (EA-18), F35C, E-2 Hawkeye, UAV MQ-25

                        So far, such a wing + helicopters / tiltrotors is planned.
                        Further plans for the development of various UAVs. The next 15-20 years, the composition of manned aircraft will not change. The plans are only new UAVs.
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 12 July 2020 18: 27 New
                        0
                        At the turn of 2000 came to the conclusion about the use of universal aircraft
                        Both Tomket and Intruder were specialized.
                        Instead, the universal Superhornet came.
                        The F-35 is also universal, and the replacement is associated only with the renewal of generations, otherwise the Hornets would also be replaced by superhornets.
                        That is, specialized aircraft were replaced by multipurpose ones. A similar story was later with superethandars - they were written off and instead they went multipurpose.
                        Nobody exchanged attack aircraft for attack aircraft
                        UAV, it’s clear, the trend of the time, and we’ll also see how it will take root
                      4. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 12 July 2020 18: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Avior
                        UAV, it’s clear, the trend of the time, and we’ll also see how it will take root

                        Rather, a matter of time, sooner or later. The number of UAV projects in the United States surpasses. From orbital planes to microdrons.
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 12 July 2020 16: 42 New
                0


                Earlier it was like that. The variety is large, now more or less unified.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 12 July 2020 18: 05 New
                  -1
                  They have long since departed from this.
                  Virtually all combat replaced Superhornet.
  • Mirabo
    Mirabo 12 July 2020 15: 18 New
    +3
    Still the ground version of the Su-57 has not passed the test, but have already swung the ship version?
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 12 July 2020 15: 46 New
    +1
    "The contract value amounted to 251,4 million rubles. The contractor will have to clean and paint the superstructure, as well as repair the hull superstructures."
    Sta?! .. To clean and paint the superstructure is quite within the crew's power. Moreover, the sailors will do this job absolutely free. Only expenses are not paint. For the money, I personally lick her tongue.
    What is there with the repair of add-ons is not indicated. What repair is needed there? ...
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 July 2020 16: 02 New
    +3
    Indeed, we have nowhere else to put in 350 billion ...
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 12 July 2020 16: 07 New
    +3
    Russia does not need Kuzya, let alone a new AB for 350 billion + ... we have no colonies! not enough aviation, minesweepers and nuclear submarines, they need to be done at an accelerated pace.
  • mark1
    mark1 12 July 2020 16: 27 New
    +3
    To know from what scribbler the "clave" should be taken, having previously weighed the back of the head. C-500 on an aircraft carrier without half a dozen Yars or Sarmatians - that’s money down the drain!
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 12 July 2020 16: 41 New
    +3
    There will be no new aircraft carrier, I do not believe
  • Region68
    Region68 12 July 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    In the form of models?
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 12 July 2020 16: 59 New
    +4
    The fleet must first be saturated with ships, ships, and the aviation component that are really needed (frigates, corvettes, minesweeper, UDC, etc.) in sufficient quantities, and only then deal with different pepelats (provided that there will be no other problems).
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 18: 12 New
      0
      Exactly and no other way
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 12 July 2020 17: 32 New
    +2
    but may not be))
  • kamui91
    kamui91 12 July 2020 17: 35 New
    -3
    Isn't it easier to make UDC with vertical lines?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 21: 50 New
      0
      Verticals in the USA to buy? UDCs are also needed without airplanes.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 12 July 2020 17: 38 New
    -5
    350 billion


    The money is big, but all of them will remain in our economy, will go to our metallurgical and industrial enterprises, will be paid as salaries and spent on the purchase of materials and assemblies from our own enterprises.

    It is necessary to build !!!

    At least 2 pieces, and ideally you need 5, 2 per fleet +1 to replace during the current repair.
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  • 5-9
    5-9 12 July 2020 17: 45 New
    +3
    AV is needed only if America is kirdyk and we, at the request of the countries of the world and at their expense, take at least part of its place ... And so, overindulgence is excessive
  • Klingon
    Klingon 12 July 2020 17: 52 New
    +2
    perhaps .... probably ..... The oracle uttered: "I think it will not smoke" (and if it does, what to do with the oracle then? As always, we have only uncertainties and vanging ..
    right now they’ll start to build and move the docking deadlines to the right wassat
    1. Revival
      Revival 12 July 2020 18: 10 New
      +3
      Supporters of the amendments categorically stated that after the adoption of the amendments, there would be no more “right” shifts.
      So, we are waiting for everything to be on time)))
  • yfast
    yfast 12 July 2020 18: 02 New
    +2
    A good aircraft carrier and Putin with his team in the same country? I used to think that this is possible, now, no. When there is no competition in power, you can inflate your cheeks for centuries:
    we will build, erect, spread ...
  • Revival
    Revival 12 July 2020 18: 07 New
    +6
    What is this article about?
    About the existence of the drawing "storm" !?
    Hmm ...
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 18: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Semenov Kolka
    Here is another claim I have to UDC: will they sculpt an anti-submarine cruiser from it? If not, then this trough will require an escort and the frigates will be forced to accompany this miscarriage instead of performing combat missions. If they try to make him built-in air defense, then Santa Barbara will soon be waiting for us with transfers and the smooth transformation of 100 billion expenses into 1 trillion. That is, we again have a complete misunderstanding on the part of the planners and a purely ostentatious project.


    Apparently so. Alas.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 July 2020 18: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    In practice, it was easy to do with one Superhornet and a drill

    So.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 12 July 2020 18: 35 New
    +4
    Tired of clever, I’ll say frankly - ordinary nonsense.
  • Old26
    Old26 12 July 2020 18: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: mark1
    To know from what scribbler the "clave" should be taken, having previously weighed the back of the head. C-500 on an aircraft carrier without half a dozen Yars or Sarmatians - that’s money down the drain!

    good
  • toha124
    toha124 12 July 2020 19: 00 New
    -2
    Why is everyone so excited. When laying a full-fledged aircraft carrier in 2025, it will be completed no earlier than 2035, or even later. On the first call ...
    So it is a reserve for the future anyway. Do you all clearly imagine the geopolitical situation of the 30-40s? And do you know the role and weight of Russia in that period? Well, how are we really going to return to the oceans?
  • Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 12 July 2020 19: 13 New
    +1
    Actually, Kuznetsov is needed at least to somehow support carrier-based aviation. Without him, she would die! They wrote a lot about this before, but today they forgot something about it!
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 12 July 2020 22: 51 New
      0
      The only sensible comment on this topic, only for the sake of preserving Russian deck aircraft, Kuznetsova will be repaired and maintained, no matter how much it costs, no one knows what the situation in the world will be in 20-30 years, Angola or Mozambique may have to help the Russian AUG Cuba or Venezuela etc.
      1. Vlad Malkin
        Vlad Malkin 12 July 2020 22: 57 New
        +1
        CommanderDIVA

        Thank! And then they started to put the cons!
        1. CommanderDIVA
          CommanderDIVA 12 July 2020 23: 02 New
          +1
          Do not worry about the minuses, there are very few sensible, objective comments with analytical analysis, as a rule they are immediately massively minuscated, if you want to gain more advantages, scold the Russian authorities, whine that everything is bad, and that everyone sold everyone, and do not affect Ukraine, otherwise brown substance will immediately pour in mass, so look at this my comment, as an example, how many minuses it will gain
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 12 July 2020 23: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        no matter how much it costs, no one knows what the situation in the world will be in 20-30 years, it may be necessary to provide assistance to the Russian ACG to Angola or Mozambique, Cuba or Venezuela, etc.

        you shouldn’t spend money on it for 20-30 years, so that it can happen after the rain on Thursday, when the cancer on the mountain whistles, help non-existent friends ... to the detriment of their own safety in the face of a shortage of airliners, minesweepers, aircraft, etc. P
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 12 July 2020 20: 55 New
    +2
    Kuznetsov will not smoke - this is the most important result of the repair.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 12 July 2020 20: 58 New
    +2
    The main thing in this article is the phrase “may turn out to be ...” Or they may not turn out to be. Wet dreams they are .... Generally I do not understand the point of writing and discussing what is not and not the fact that it will be.
  • certero
    certero 12 July 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    I propose immediately to gash the imperial destroyer and not to bathe .. of course, it’s too early to wave the death star, but such a boat should be done.
  • starshina78
    starshina78 12 July 2020 21: 19 New
    0
    Fresh tradition! Yes, I can hardly believe it!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 July 2020 22: 31 New
    -1
    Why aircraft carrier S-500.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 12 July 2020 22: 37 New
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    Quote: Revival
    Supporters of the amendments categorically stated that after the adoption of the amendments, there would be no more “right” shifts.
    So, we are waiting for everything to be on time)))

    how will it not be? already bookmark UDC analogue Mistral just recently shifted "for an indefinite period" wassat
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 July 2020 23: 12 New
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      After the commander-in-chief is reset, the terms can be completely reset to infinity))
  • Klingon
    Klingon 12 July 2020 22: 40 New
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    Quote: certero
    I propose immediately to gash the imperial destroyer and not to bathe .. of course, it’s too early to wave the death star, but such a boat should be done.

    it’s better to immediately kill the Death Star drinks
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 13 July 2020 00: 49 New
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    Fuck that he will be able to protect there or not to protect. The main thing is that the sea-based air wing would not lose its skills. That the old people would pass on the experience to the young. No thread can replace a real deck. A “normal” aircraft carrier (with a normal catapult and the ability to launch AWACS) will be built if necessary. In addition, over time, the ideology of the formation of an air wing can be revised. as drones are becoming increasingly important. Kuzya, let him work in UB format. Him there is the place.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 13 July 2020 00: 54 New
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    Killing phrase: ".... both Admiral Kuznetsov and Storm may be at the same time."
    It is masterfully written between the lines that ass ... maybe with both ....
  • IC
    IC 13 July 2020 00: 56 New
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    With the current situation in the economy and the real possibilities of shipbuilding, talk of a new aircraft carrier from the category of fiction. Conversations are worthless. According to the principle - either the donkey will die, or padesh ...
    For parades and Kuznetsov will do.
  • Clone
    Clone 13 July 2020 02: 51 New
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    Uhhh ... it’s already taken my breath ... Etozh, how long will the Kuze be in operation to meet afloat with our new aircraft carrier ??? However, the "Commune" is still in service ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 July 2020 07: 01 New
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    I bastard from these words:
    When welding was carried out, the spark fell into the hold, where fuel was spilled.

    And during the repair this is a must, so that the fuel is spilled and there are no responsible ones? What kind of mess is going on there and what do the managers get the money for? It’s certainly a pity that there is no Lavrenty Pavlovich on them, in my opinion, shooting a dozen or two of the senior staff will have a very beneficial effect on the timing and quality of repairs of the long-suffering Kuznetsov
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 13 July 2020 11: 04 New
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    Quote: Pavel57
    Why aircraft carrier S-500.

    Someone put a minus, but in fact did not object. An aircraft carrier, in addition to its air link, which performs missions including air defense, must have AUG ships, which includes ships with air defense functions, isn’t that so? And to occupy the valuable volume and tonnage of an aircraft carrier with additional strike and defensive systems is to reduce the capabilities of the main mission.
  • Georg21
    Georg21 13 July 2020 19: 07 New
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    Can not. While at least the design assignment for the “storm” is approved, Kuzya will be cut long ago ...
  • Charik
    Charik 13 July 2020 21: 46 New
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    and what is this news about the fire on the yusa helicopter carrier not a word the second day