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For Turkey, S-400 air defense systems are important to be able to bring down US-made aircraft

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Sina, a major Chinese news service, is publishing an article stating that Washington should not expect Erdogan to make a positive decision to “resell” the S-400 air defense system. Recall that a few days earlier, the initiative on the possible redemption of the Russian air defense systems from the Turks was made by the American senator from South Dakota, John Thune.


The author of the material on the pages of Sina writes that it would be a great success for the United States to get the Russian air defense system and “figure out its secrets”, as the United States used to buy Soviet / Russian fighter jets on the territory of the former association of the Warsaw Pact countries.
From the article:

But Erdogan will not take this step for a number of reasons.

According to the Chinese author, "Turkey does not want to anger Russia."

From the material:

If the S-400 is sold to the United States, then Russia will likely react immediately, as a result of which Turkey will pay a heavy price on the battlefields in Syria and Libya.

The author also notes that Erdogan remembers very well that it was the United States that de facto stood behind the attempted coup of 2016.

From the article:

During the military coup on July 15, 2016, some officers of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces ordered F-16 fighter pilots to bomb the building of the Turkish capital’s parliament and other administrative facilities in Ankara and Istanbul. This shocked the Turks because it would be the first military attack on the city in almost 600 years.

According to the author in the Sina publication, even with the loyalty of most of the Turkish army to Erdogan in 2016, they simply did not have effective ways to cope with aviation American-made technology.

In fact, the author says that for Turkey, the S-400 air defense systems are also important in order to be able, in a special case, to shoot down American-made planes that are part of their own air forces. An example is given of the situation - an attempted coup in 2016, when part of the military sided with the initiators of the removal of Erdogan from the post of head of state.
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  1. Kurare
    Kurare 6 July 2020 10: 41 New
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    ... for Turkey, the S-400 air defense systems are also important in order to be able, in a special case, to shoot down American-made planes that are part of their own Air Force.

    Here it is, the quintessence of S-400 purchase by Turkey. But in one thing the author is not (completely) right, the S-400 is not only against its own Air Force, but also of possible "democratization" from the outside.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 6 July 2020 10: 49 New
      +3
      Everything is true. Internal intelligence should monitor its own Air Force, not S-400.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 6 July 2020 11: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Runoway
        Everything is true for the internal air forces should be monitored by internal intelligence ...

        So then it is. But, as the coup story showed, officers trained and trained in the United States, working from the Incirlik base, which is actually controlled by the Americans, are not very subordinate to the supreme commander and guarantor of the constitution.

        Now Erdogan, of course, has cleaned up many, but who knows how many more ill-wishers remain in his Air Force.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 6 July 2020 11: 19 New
          +1
          Erdogan remembers perfectly well that it was the United States that de facto stood behind the 2016 coup attempt

          This should be remembered not so much by Erdogan as by the Turks in general.
          It must be reminded regularly. Do not forget.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 6 July 2020 11: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Kurare
      S-400 is not only against its own air force, but also possible "democratization" from the outside

      And Greece, with which Turkey has a lot of unresolved disputes?
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 6 July 2020 11: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        And Greece, with which Turkey has a lot of unresolved disputes?

        Personally, I can’t imagine that Greece could pose a threat to “land” Turkey. Their budgets and potentials are too unequal.
      2. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 6 July 2020 11: 10 New
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        Greece, with which Turkey has a lot of unresolved disputes?
        Well, there’s also aviation or European or mattress
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 6 July 2020 11: 16 New
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          Quote: nPuBaTuP
          Well, there’s also aviation or European or mattress

          My comment on the part of the "Turks with Greece", which you did not mention among the possible goals of the S-400 ...
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 6 July 2020 11: 21 New
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            I agree completely
      3. zwlad
        zwlad 6 July 2020 12: 17 New
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        Greece war against Turkey?
        Well, if only in the media.
        1. novel66
          novel66 6 July 2020 12: 26 New
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          someone’s? will build a phalanx, spears will instruct - beware of the Turks
    3. bar
      bar 6 July 2020 12: 10 New
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      S-400 is not only against its own Air Force, but also possible "democratization" from the outside.

      It is the same. “Democratization” from the outside will take place by the forces of its own Air Force, as it was already in 2016. Nobody will openly attack the country with the second largest army in NATO.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 12: 43 New
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        And therefore, last year percent of 60-65 flight crews were cleaned from the Air Force. Such infa came across last year. So it will not.
        That’s why the emphasis went on UAVs and bought the S-400
        1. bar
          bar 6 July 2020 12: 54 New
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          And therefore, last year percent of 60-65 flight crews were cleaned from the Air Force. ... so it will not.

          Do you want to say that now the Turkish Air Force is without personnel? Or were they vaccinated against new coups?
          Erdogan does not believe in this, and for this reason the straw from the S-400
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 12: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: bar
            Or were they vaccinated against new coups?


            Repression good vaccination against the political activity of the army
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 July 2020 13: 41 New
              -1
              Only then do you lose in the war.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 14: 55 New
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                Actually, you’re just winning. Again, you did not object to the case.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 6 July 2020 15: 14 New
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                  1) Ideological loyal leaders are usually stupid.
                  2) And professionals are usually smart. But they are not loyal to the leaders.
                  smile hi
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 15: 29 New
                    -1
                    It says in you ideological blindness and not knowledge as it was in reality ...
                    And stupid and illiterate professionals, I can remember until you turn blue.
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 6 July 2020 17: 18 New
                -2
                Do not confuse us, voyaka uh. Thanks to those repressions, we are celebrating May 8th.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 6 July 2020 21: 44 New
                  +2
                  May 8th? I’m amazing 9! belay
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 6 July 2020 21: 56 New
                    +2
                    I pressed the wrong way, Oleg, I repent. Of course, May 9!
                    1. sharp-lad
                      sharp-lad 6 July 2020 22: 22 New
                      +1
                      So I was surprised and decided to point out a little one. smile hi
            2. bar
              bar 6 July 2020 14: 38 New
              +1
              Repression good vaccination against the political activity of the army

              This vaccine does not give a lasting effect without periodic revaccination. S-400 is more reliable.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 6 July 2020 14: 38 New
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          It is interesting - and where to train new pilots on state equipment, except, again, in the States?
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 14: 58 New
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            And what problems with the training of flight personnel on the F-16 can be?
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 6 July 2020 10: 53 New
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    Itares arguments ... only how far-fetched, but how real, is it worth looking at very carefully and not from the couch, of course. Here the opinion of a real specialist in those matters is necessary!
  3. Eldorado
    Eldorado 6 July 2020 10: 55 New
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    Erdogan also needs S-400 against "beloved" Greece.
    The Greeks, by the way, have the S-300PMU1.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 6 July 2020 11: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: El Dorado
      Erdogan also needs S-400 against "beloved" Greece.
      The Greeks, by the way, have the S-300PMU1.

      Ancient-ancient, and not modernized since the acquisition of two S-300 divisions by Cyprus in 1996.
      In addition, the adoption of the S-300 by Cyprus was blocked by the United States, Britain and Turkey, who considered that this could upset the military balance in the region. And in 2006-2007, the rights to the system passed from Cyprus to Greece. And only on December 13, 2013 Athens first fired from Russian air defense systems.
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 6 July 2020 12: 01 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: El Dorado
        Erdogan also needs S-400 against "beloved" Greece.
        The Greeks, by the way, have the S-300PMU1.

        Ancient-ancient, and not modernized since the acquisition of two S-300 divisions by Cyprus in 1996.
        In addition, the adoption of the S-300 by Cyprus was blocked by the United States, Britain and Turkey, who considered that this could upset the military balance in the region. And in 2006-2007, the rights to the system passed from Cyprus to Greece. And only on December 13, 2013 Athens first fired from Russian air defense systems.

        So who argues that the S-300PMU1 are new. After the purchase of the S-400 from the Sultan, absolute superiority in the air defense systems over the Greeks.
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 July 2020 11: 00 New
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    Quote: El Dorado
    The Greeks, by the way, have the S-300PMU1


    Has NATO already studied it?
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 6 July 2020 11: 11 New
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      More than likely
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 6 July 2020 11: 32 New
        +3
        Israel conducted exercises with Greece to overcome the S-300. yes
        https://vz.ru/news/2019/4/4/971699.html
    2. Eldorado
      Eldorado 6 July 2020 11: 55 New
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: El Dorado
      The Greeks, by the way, have the S-300PMU1


      Has NATO already studied it?

      APU has S-300. So for a long time everyone has already studied.
      1. mvg
        mvg 6 July 2020 12: 32 New
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        APU has S-300

        In general, that is, infa that the S-300 fell into the states of Belarus
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 6 July 2020 13: 22 New
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          Quote: mvg
          APU has S-300

          In general, that is, infa that the S-300 fell into the states of Belarus

          I will tell you more, they are in the dashing nineties we are in the States and from Russia to get ... crying
          1. mvg
            mvg 6 July 2020 13: 41 New
            +1
            they are in the dashing nineties we are in the States and from Russia to get.

            They came with the permission of Russia. Belarusians requested permission and received. The surname Kolesnikov appeared. But, the states and Israel have repeatedly conducted exercises with Greece. Yes, and they have Soviet tanks and planes, but I wouldn’t hear what would have got to Russia. When ancient Helfire fell in Cuba, there was a scream in the media.
  5. 013Azer
    013Azer 6 July 2020 11: 06 New
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    But when do some understand that the Turkish S-400 is a political system for them, and not an anti-air system. These systems they never burn. Even in exercises.

    "Sina" ... damn it.)
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 July 2020 11: 06 New
    -2
    Erdogan remembers very well that it was the United States that de facto stood behind the attempted coup of 2016.
    Erdogan, of course, remembers this very well, but in connection with his "great" cunning, his memory is chosen and works exclusively depending on the circumstances. The Chinese edition with a stretch tried to link the S-400 and American aircraft to the arms of Turkey. Therefore, this assumption is far-fetched.
  7. Alex Parabellum
    Alex Parabellum 6 July 2020 11: 19 New
    0
    A moot point. They may not be handed over so as not to stir up a conflict, but the probability of providing American specialists with access to one of the units is very high. Especially if they promise something interesting.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 6 July 2020 11: 44 New
      0
      ... it is highly likely that American specialists will have access to one of the units.

      When deciding on the supply of S-400 to the Turks, all this was undoubtedly taken into account.
      Although the howl in the States that ours can get something interesting for themselves from these S-400s, the purpose is to obtain access to the complexes. IMHO.
  8. pereselenec
    pereselenec 6 July 2020 11: 52 New
    -1
    For Turkey, S-400 air defense systems are important to be able to bring down US-made aircraft


    Has the S-300 ever shot down US-made aircraft in real life?
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 6 July 2020 11: 58 New
      0
      Quote: pereselenec
      For Turkey, S-400 air defense systems are important to be able to bring down US-made aircraft


      Has the S-300 ever shot down US-made aircraft in real life?

      The S-300 has never taken part in real hostilities in general. Only Syrian anti-aircraft gunners conjure something there.
  9. bar
    bar 6 July 2020 12: 02 New
    -1
    for Turkey, the S-400 air defense system is also important in order to be able, in a special case, to shoot down American-made aircraft that are part of its own Air Force

    That is why they are important. I spoke about this from the very beginning. Erdogan was frightened by a pro-pro-American coup involving his own military, including in the Air Force.
  10. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 6 July 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    Both ours and yours!
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 July 2020 14: 06 New
    +1
    Erdogan will not forget the coup attempt, and the US role in this mess will also not forget. And not forgive. He is a friend to us so-so, insofar as, but the enemy pins made a cunning.
  12. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 6 July 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    Quote: 013Azer
    But when do some understand that the Turkish S-400


    No, you probably don’t understand much in life.
  13. And Makarov
    And Makarov 6 July 2020 16: 02 New
    10
    Indeed, for any fireman in Turkey, it’s convenient to have air defense not tied to NATO.
  14. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 6 July 2020 16: 32 New
    -2
    For Turkey, S-400 air defense systems are important to be able to bring down US-made aircraft

    As if Turkey is now unable to bring down American planes.
    According to the Chinese author, "Turkey does not want to anger Russia."

    In my opinion, it is obvious that Turkey does not care deeply whether it angers Russia or not.

    The whole article about the fact that the author is an artist, he sees so.
  15. Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 6 July 2020 20: 54 New
    +7
    The Turks are generally cunning - and there they bargained, and here they broke it off.
  16. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 8 July 2020 02: 48 New
    0
    trash is all in the article, we’ll never sell super, but spies ... we understand !!!