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Year 2020: The Finnish Air Force confirmed the data that “finally” removed the swastika from its attributes

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Teivo Teivanen, professor of international politics at the University of Helsinki, drew attention to the fact that the Finnish Air Force, without advertising this, finally decided to remove the swastika from its official paraphernalia. Since 1918, in the symbolism of the Finnish Air Force, the swastika was present as the main symbol. Until recently, the swastika was the central sign on the flag of the Finnish Air Force units, next to which the wings were depicted.


Now the Finnish Air Force Command, answering incoming questions, notes that the swastika really ceased to exist as an emblem of the military aviation countries "definitively".

The press service of the department notes that officially such an emblem (called the emblem of Eric von Rosen) was abandoned back in 2017, but until recently it was still preserved on the flags of some parts of the Air Force, as well as on some chevrons and awards.

The Western press says that the situation today was paid attention only because a wave of protest is gaining momentum throughout the Western world after the sensational tragic episode in Minneapolis USA, where a black George Floyd was killed by a policeman. Apparently, before this case, no one in Finland had any special questions about the presence of a swastika as a military paraphernalia.

The swastika as such was used on Finnish aviation from 1918 to April 1945. But even after its “first cancellation”, it continued to be used as, for example, a graphic detail of Finnish pilots awards.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 July 2020 09: 33 New
    +6
    WELL AND GOOD!
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 4 July 2020 09: 35 New
      10
      It is respectful that they did not make a public relations campaign out of this.
      If not for one "professor" who made a fuss, no one would have noticed
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 4 July 2020 09: 49 New
        +1
        Since 1918, in the symbolism of the Finnish Air Force, the swastika was present as the main symbol. Until recently, the swastika was the central sign on the flag of the Finnish Air Force units, next to which the wings were depicted.


        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 4 July 2020 09: 53 New
          +6
          Launched in the "Yandex" in the search for pictures "emblem Eric von Rosen"
          Amused laughing
          Explain for a long time, it must be seen
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 4 July 2020 10: 38 New
            +5
            it is necessary to see it

            strongly laughing drinks
          2. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 9 July 2020 08: 24 New
            0
            The Google search engine and Yandex show opposite results ... and the impression is that our search engine is not for searching for real (historical) facts, but for entertaining to dilute the brain. :-(
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 9 July 2020 08: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Nosgoth
              Search engine Google and Yandex show opposite results.

              Well, you should look for the positives in everything.
              There are several search engines, and the search results are different - so good.
              Depending on what you are looking for, you will use the appropriate search engine.
              drinks
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 4 July 2020 21: 53 New
          -2
          The term “swastika” was “Hitler-dropping.” The Finnish Air Force swastika had nothing to do with the Nazis. It’s on their symbolism since 1918. Who needs it? Listen to what arguments. So removed and removed.
          And who invented this unusual symbol for the Finns? Yes, everything is simple! In 1918, when the Finns gained independence and the formation of their Air Force was in progress, the Swedish count, von Rosen, presented the young state with an airplane, on whose wings it inflicted a swastika, which was the patrimonial sign of this family. By the way, that this sign became generic only with the donor of the aircraft.
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 July 2020 09: 37 New
    0
    German Hitlerism, the bloodthirsty politics of the Reich .... when millions of Slavs, Jews perished .... I don’t know if such a vaccination against the heraldic symbol "swastika" was imparted to reasonable humanity that the use of a swastika is considered to be a bastard ....
    So it began to reach the hot Finnish guys.
    1. convoy
      convoy 4 July 2020 09: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      German Hitlerism, the bloodthirsty politics of the Reich .... when millions of Slavs, Jews perished .... I don’t know if such a vaccination against the heraldic symbol "swastika" was imparted to reasonable humanity that the use of a swastika is considered to be a bastard ....
      So it began to reach the hot Finnish guys.

      We have this heraldry causes terrible associations, it’s already in the genes
      The worst thing is that in Ukraine it is very common.
      So I want to enter the tanks and iron Bandera hydra .. But so far it is impossible! negative And the Finns those fascists were still remembered (Leningrad blocked on their part .. They have a lot of blood too.
      I wonder how Stalin felt sorry for them .. hi
      1. halpat
        halpat 4 July 2020 15: 41 New
        +7
        Quote: Konvoi
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        German Hitlerism, the bloodthirsty politics of the Reich .... when millions of Slavs, Jews perished .... I don’t know if such a vaccination against the heraldic symbol "swastika" was imparted to reasonable humanity that the use of a swastika is considered to be a bastard ....
        So it began to reach the hot Finnish guys.

        We have this heraldry causes terrible associations, it’s already in the genes
        The worst thing is that in Ukraine it is very common.
        So I want to enter the tanks and iron Bandera hydra .. But so far it is impossible! negative And the Finns those fascists were still remembered (Leningrad blocked on their part .. They have a lot of blood too.
        I wonder how Stalin felt sorry for them .. hi

        You, comrade, are not somehow educated at all.
        Hitler and Bandera scum agree.
        The Finns had a swastika long before Hitler.
        And the Indians ... look at the photos, there are thousands of such temples in India. And there they do not worship Hitler.
        Adik just stole a beautiful cross ... for himself.

        Photo taken by me personally. Not from Google.
        1. paco.soto
          paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 03 New
          0
          Laughing: benderavets ??! Or what?
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 4 July 2020 22: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Konvoi
        We have this heraldry causes terrible associations, it’s already in the genes

        So what? What matters is not the symbol, but the deeds that happen under this symbol. Black swastika in a white circle, on a red background, yes, a symbol of German Nazism. What other swastika symbols are to blame for? Moreover, the swastika did not help Hitler in any way, they smashed to smithereens. Solar symbols do not help evil. Do Americans have how many stars on a flag? Already as many as 50. And how many armies are there stars? Look for fun, some US Air Force insignia. However, in the west it is customary to pour mud, only ours, the Red Stars. Scolding the swastika for Hitler is the same as scolding the rainbow for the unnatural behavior of homosexuals. Since propaganda of homosexuality in Russia is now officially prohibited by the constitution, then it is logical to ban the rainbow. That's just where we come with this approach.
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 5 July 2020 13: 25 New
        0
        You better read what the White Finns did during the Civil War, as they did the massacre in Vyborg. By the way, the Germans, who helped them fight at that time, recall this with great disgust. If anyone thinks that the USSR attacked Finland in 1940 with nothing to do, you simply don’t know anything about what happened in Karelia, in Finland itself and its secession, what happened on the borders of the USSR and Finland in the 30s. The Finns even had a special sabotage organization that carried out terrorist attacks in Karelia and Petrograd (Leningrad).
    2. Guru
      Guru 4 July 2020 09: 58 New
      10
      Yes, of course, it is only necessary to destroy thousands of Indian temples on which images of the swastika are also located. The Finns adopted this sign in 1918.
      To get the right answers you need to ask the right questions.
      Why did the Finns not do this before, when the USSR was still in force?
      And why only now?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 July 2020 10: 22 New
        +5
        Does the Registan in Samarkand also be demolished?
        1. nPuBaTuP
          nPuBaTuP 4 July 2020 10: 40 New
          +1
          Registan in Samarkand

          and where does he ...? looked at the photographs and did not find the swastika there request
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 4 July 2020 11: 19 New
            +4
            She’s in a blue ornament such “crosses” are intertwined. The tour guide specifically drew our attention to this. The slope is not the same. If the memory does not change, the central building is around the entrance.
            1. irbis0373
              irbis0373 4 July 2020 11: 38 New
              -3
              Most likely the direction of the swastika rays is different - the right one. Hitler when he took the swastika as a symbol of Germany, he turned it in the opposite direction.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 4 July 2020 11: 41 New
                0
                Yes, of course, the Indians have the correct location. Sorry I didn’t put it right. I’m guilty corrected.
      2. pv1005
        pv1005 4 July 2020 17: 58 New
        +9



        Quote: Guru
        Yes, of course, it is only necessary to destroy thousands of Indian temples on which images of the swastika are also located. The Finns adopted this sign in 1918.
        To get the right answers you need to ask the right questions.
        Why did the Finns not do this before, when the USSR was still in force?
        And why only now?

        And what shall we do with this? It seems like a story?
        1. Guru
          Guru 4 July 2020 18: 39 New
          +1
          And what shall we do with this? It seems like a story
          I completely agree, but! BUT!! - these signs existed until the 21st century belay I will explain my position - As soon as the swastika was smeared in fascism - the reproduction of these signs on any attributes of both state signs and any subdivisions of the state (whatever) to put it mildly, is NOT CORRECT - - but in conscience - CRIMINAL.
          why did Teivo Teivanen, professor of international politics at the University of Helsinki, pay attention to this only in the 21st century. And before that? Who did not notice?
          I can add to your collection.

          But this is the story of the 20th century and not the 21st.


          1. pv1005
            pv1005 4 July 2020 18: 59 New
            0
            But this is the story of the 20th century and not the 21st.

            This is the history of our country. And no matter what age it was. As the saying goes, you won’t throw words out of a song.
            1. Guru
              Guru 4 July 2020 19: 09 New
              -1
              Bullshit! -Do you really propose to destroy the Indian Temples ?????
              Or are you just And ,,,,, Which suggests not noticing this event, and in particular, "That in the 21st century someone uses the swastika as a state attribute?
        2. paco.soto
          paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 06 New
          -3
          I'm sorry, what?
          In the voice of Stalin: To shoot.
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 4 July 2020 22: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Guru
        Why did the Finns not do this before, when the USSR was still in force?
        And why only now?

        Because they sat quietly and did not shine. Accordingly, no one touched them.
  3. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 4 July 2020 09: 41 New
    +5
    but it’s interesting ... the Indians also scrub the swastika from the temples, or all of them don’t give a damn about the drug addict and rapist of the floyd ??????????
    ---- The Hindus came up with a beautiful religion, that a person having given ends does not die at all ....
    on the other hand, they don’t have time for Floyd, the Maozedunians nightmare them in the mountains
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 July 2020 09: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      but it’s interesting ... the Indians also scrub the swastika from the temples

      And the Buddhists? Will they remove the same?
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 4 July 2020 09: 57 New
        +1
        in the course of the Maozedunians, when Lhasa was being rolled up, they had to deal with the symbols ..... and there was a crossroads. or shit the West and not remove the swastika if it has not been removed before. or again to sculpt it ... well, Schaub shit again .... and the agile yellow kids can do it
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 4 July 2020 14: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      the Indians also scrub the swastika from the temples

      On the bill, 250 rubles in 1917, already 3 swastikas. I have one.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 4 July 2020 14: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      interesting ... the Indians, too, scrape off the swastika from the temples or all the same they do not give a damn about the drug addict and rapist floyd ??????????
      ... on the other hand, they don’t have time for flooding;

      Where only Floyd is not laced ...
      The “Western Press” has a “roof going”, since Floydobesity poses the reason for changing the symbolism of the Finnish Air Force a year earlier.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 5 July 2020 06: 04 New
        0
        made a year earlier ... in the course of preparing ahead of time, they are such mental deviations. no no yes
  4. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 4 July 2020 09: 54 New
    +1
    For all NORMAL people, the swastika forever became a sign of fascism, although it used to be a completely normal symbol, the rune of the Sun, I have a journal number * Young artist * quarter-century ago with an article on the use of this symbol in Russia in dress wear
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 4 July 2020 15: 50 New
      +1
      For all "normal" people, the swastika was and remains a symbol of the Sun and, accordingly, Christ (the Son of the Sun)! Hitler and his regime are a bloody episode in history. The written history of mankind in many ancient sources begins with a wedding - ... with the wedding of Mary the Virgin almost a thousand years ago. The Son of the Sun became the main messenger of the Almighty for people for about 9 centuries, and the swastika during this time meant Christ, moreover, in all major world religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism). They are only some branches of the original Christianity, separated into seemingly different religions in the process of political division of the world. Hitler came and, I hope, left forever ... But somehow it doesn’t work with Christ! According to the logic of opponents of Christian symbolism, "swastikas", perhaps, and "crosses" to ban? They, too, were depicted on the technique of the Nazis and their allies!
      1. Magog
        Magog 4 July 2020 17: 11 New
        -6
        By the way, “SVastika” and “SeVastopol” without vowels are one and the same! So, rename the name of the glorious city - "the city of the Sun"?
    2. paco.soto
      paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 10 New
      0
      For all NORMAL people, the swastika forever became a sign of fascism, although once it was quite ©
      And the tricolor thrown under the steps of the Lenin Mausoleum ?! 7 how ?!
      1. Magog
        Magog 4 July 2020 23: 22 New
        +2
        A tricolor thrown under the steps of the mausoleum
        If the question is for me, I have spoken about the Masonic "tricolor" here in VO ... And why should the thousand-year-old ancient symbol be banned now because of some kind of "hitler"? Maybe we should talk more widely and in detail about the history of the appearance of this symbol? With the same success, the "oblique cross" of St. Andrew the First-Called, that is, actually the same Christ, can be banned! Well, try it.
        1. paco.soto
          paco.soto 4 July 2020 23: 57 New
          0
          If the question is for me, so ©
          I answer you: just now I can’t take and find on the smart address of the dialogue. With your answer - I take and agree completely.!.
  5. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 4 July 2020 09: 55 New
    0
    Finally, now the hakaristi is sent to the archive.
    (called the emblem of Eric von Rosen)
    The Swedish Nazi Baron Eric Phon Rosen enthusiastically spread this infection. During the civil war in Finland in 1918, he presented the Finns with a plane decorated with these symbols. Later this uncle became related with Goering.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 4 July 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      So that's where Goering got a Swedish wife. I didn’t know her pedigree. Thank you.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 4 July 2020 11: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        that’s where Goering’s wife is from Sweden.

        yes The case when husband and wife are one Satan. In this regard, the family was equipped.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 4 July 2020 12: 23 New
          +1
          The kiss of death is worth it; but she passed the poison to him in prison.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 4 July 2020 12: 28 New
            +1
            Yes, "escaped," bastard.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 July 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    Shurik70 (Alexander)
    It is respectful that they did not make a public relations campaign out of this.
    Respect for what? That after the fall of fascist Germany its ally left this sign, and after the official refusal in 2017 they continued to use it on flags and awards and only (surprisingly) after the death of an American drug addict suddenly noticed this? And if it weren’t for the movement “The life of the black is important” in the West, they probably would not have paid attention.
  7. xomaNN
    xomaNN 4 July 2020 11: 29 New
    0
    From Finnish airplanes they may have removed the swastika. But from the Finnish brains removed?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 4 July 2020 12: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: xomaNN
      removed from the Finnish brains?

      If you recall their cinematic black Mannerheim and some Finnish officials of the same suit, then perhaps yes. There are a handful of “Vikings” there, but the overwhelming majority of Finns are ordinary urban and rural inhabitants, who have a light bulb for this topic. For those who are closer to the border, the main thing is that more Russians come, especially in the season. And the Russians do not fail - on the weekend at the checkpoint in Torfyanovka collapse. Well, this applies to “normal” time, without taking into account the current special period.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 July 2020 12: 27 New
        +1
        And how many Russian girls they transported to themselves. A random witness of the telephone conversation was yesterday. The girlfriend cried, cannot get to her Yarri, the borders are closed.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 4 July 2020 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          cannot get to his Yarri, borders are closed.

          Yes, these "Russian girls", mostly over thirty, themselves are not averse to "heaven on earth" to get out.
          And after a while, the snot with the involvement of the embassy and the media, that the Finnish authorities select the child. negative
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 4 July 2020 13: 47 New
            +1
            There is one.
  8. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 4 July 2020 11: 35 New
    0
    Blow up or what?

    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 4 July 2020 12: 30 New
      +3
      BEAUTIFUL! Let it stand.
    2. paco.soto
      paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 12 New
      -1
      Blow up or what? ©
      By the way, if this is a vote, then surely blow it up! With all the power!
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 July 2020 11: 49 New
    0
    However, somehow completely out of date ..
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    2. Nosgoth
      Nosgoth 9 July 2020 08: 43 New
      0
      They have strange flags, on the one hand the swastika to the left, and on the other to the right ...



      New. The question is closed.
  10. maykl8
    maykl8 4 July 2020 12: 05 New
    +2
    Finnish planes of the Second World War:



    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 4 July 2020 12: 42 New
      +2
      Michael, you posted good pictures. I’ll print it and give it to my boys. As targets.
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 18 New
        0
        Suspiciously squinting his eye: do you know something about the ballistic of the cannons in the "trigonametry" of an air battle at the dash?
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 4 July 2020 21: 23 New
          +1
          Our air combat will be simple - pneumatics at a distance of 10 m. "Little things" are not allowed for school, so I did not even stutter about the guns. And then the guns shoot too loudly, they will interfere with the activities)).
          "And then they shot at the dash
          A leopard ten times:
          Dad is six, and I are four:
          In the belly, in the ear, in the forehead and in the eye! "
          S. Marshak
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 4 July 2020 21: 29 New
            +1
            Dad - six, and I - four ©
            Thank you for your reply! And Like!
            1. Magog_
              Magog_ 5 July 2020 00: 34 New
              +1
              Thank you for your reply
              And I still believed that only I say this: "Thank you / you" and "Thank you / you" ...
              1. paco.soto
                paco.soto 5 July 2020 01: 26 New
                0
                With a smile: and I am absolutely “disarmed” by the situation when you cannot answer with an audio file. So for me it is a convenient and familiar format.
  11. Fidel
    Fidel 4 July 2020 12: 49 New
    +5
    Well, in vain. The great symbol that villains have spoiled. With the same success, LGBT technicians can attach the Hammer and Sickle. Symbol of what is to blame?
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 4 July 2020 17: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Fidel
      Well, in vain. The great symbol that villains have spoiled. With the same success, LGBT technicians can attach the Hammer and Sickle. Symbol of what is to blame?

      These pi..ry already vulgarized the rainbow. am
  12. Klingon
    Klingon 4 July 2020 16: 43 New
    0
    the Nazis stole the Indo-Buddhist symbol, but in fact it is a very ancient symbol, known since the Neolithic
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 5 July 2020 00: 39 New
      -1
      known since the Neolithic
      How do you know about this? Is the date stamped on some artifact? winked
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 5 July 2020 05: 18 New
        0
        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
        who has interest, google, who knows the letters, read wassat or is it not about you?
        1. Magog_
          Magog_ 5 July 2020 09: 23 New
          0
          Only "letters", but there is no evidence of dating, as is usual with historians. Dating is usually a very difficult task, and not one of the methods practiced today gives a reliable result, alas! For historians, dating is rather a tradition based on false notions of the age of human civilization, on emotions, if you like, but not on scientific approaches ... The emotions in dating are "it's not about us."
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 5 July 2020 09: 47 New
            0
            that is, dating should not be a radiocarbon method, but according to the Bible?
            1. Magog_
              Magog_ 5 July 2020 10: 11 New
              0
              I’m guessing what you mean by the Bible. The prayer "Father Nvsh" is seen on the grave monuments of the "very ancient" (emotionally) Egyptian pyramids ... But it does not follow from this that Christianity dates back tens of thousands of years - rather the opposite: the pyramids are dated incorrectly. I’d better not say anything about the radiocarbon method - only the lazy one does not criticize this method of dating.
              1. Klingon
                Klingon 5 July 2020 14: 53 New
                0
                where there are residues of organic matter, the radiocarbon method quite definitely works for itself
                1. Magog_
                  Magog_ 5 July 2020 15: 30 New
                  0
                  And even this is not a fact! Carbon (isotope - 14) can enter organics through the atmosphere or the “digestion” of other organics as a result of forest fires, abnormal solar flares, coal burning, etc. And the method is based on the fact that organic matter is formed from atmospheric carbon with a constant concentration of this isotope. And this is far from the case. Plus, the method itself gives an error on the same sample (sometimes at times!) - here and trust it ... This is all that you can "randomly" indicate about this method. There are very informative articles criticizing this dating method. It is surprising how persistently historians always nod to the radiocarbon method, justifying their ideas about dates.
                2. Magog_
                  Magog_ 5 July 2020 16: 27 New
                  0
                  I propose to end our dialogue, especially since this already goes beyond the scope of the topic of the discussed news and is fraught with sanctions by the site moderator.
  13. PValery53
    PValery53 4 July 2020 22: 06 New
    0
    The Finns finally decided that they were not fascists. Oh? ..
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 5 July 2020 00: 46 New
      0
      So this is already so obvious, since the "fascists" are Italians, who together with the Duce.