By the fall in the ranks of the Russian astronauts will not remain soldiers

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By the fall, Russian military cosmonauts will be dismissed from the ranks of the Armed Forces, after which only civilians will remain in the Russian cosmonaut detachment. But they will be more.

"To date, members of the Russian cosmonaut corps have been discharged from the ranks of the Armed Forces. An order to dismiss five more people is expected in August, after which the military will not remain in the detachment," Interfax was told at the Cosmonaut Training Center (CPC).

They explained that after removing the epaulets, the astronauts would write applications for their admission to the cosmonaut corps as civilian specialists and remain in their previous positions. At the same time the number of astronauts will increase.

"On July 31, seven test cosmonaut test candidates passed the state exam. The final decision on awarding them the title and enrollment in the team. The Interdepartmental Qualification Commission will take August 3," the CPC said. They noted that, most likely, all seven candidates will be enrolled in the cosmonaut corps.

In late February, the CPC (Star City) was excluded from the list of organizations in which military service is provided. The military officers of the Center were offered either to leave the service or to be transferred to other parts of the Armed Forces.

The media reported that the Cosmonaut Training Center could lose more than 200 military personnel in the state: instructors, pilots and technicians serving Aviation CPC, as well as astronauts wearing epaulets.

At the same time, sources at the Center noted that the dismissal threatens the most prepared and experienced personnel of the CPC, including instructors who prepare astronauts for flights, and pilots who deliver the crews to the Baikonur cosmodrome.

In early July, a member of the famous first cosmonaut detachment, twice Hero of the USSR Alexei Leonov, in an interview, attacked with wrathful criticism of the authorities, who, in his words, are in fact ruining the national astronautics. Leonov expressed the opinion that the Ministry of Defense made a serious mistake by actually eliminating several famous flight schools. And in a short time it can reach the point that migrant workers will be sent into space.
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  1. dreamer
    +6
    2 August 2012 18: 14
    On the one hand, people can work further along the profile, only having lost their epaulettes, on the other hand, the army men "survive" from the CTC (Zvezdny) recourse ...
    Interestingly, what kind of troops did the astronauts regularly relate to, East Kazakhstan region?
    1. +2
      2 August 2012 18: 58
      either the Air Force or VKS.
  2. Anton_Smirnykh
    +6
    2 August 2012 18: 26
    No, well, this is nonsense. Although 50 to 50. Now the path to the astronauts is much easier, but the military will no longer be in space. Hmm ..
  3. Odessa
    +11
    2 August 2012 18: 30
    On April 12, 1961, the Vostok spacecraft, with pilot-cosmonaut Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin on board, launched for the first time in the world from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. During this flight, he was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and the military rank of major ahead of schedule (took off with the rank of senior lieutenant)
    And the astronauts have a military rank, and here the mess continues again. At first they will disband, and after a few years they will restore again. And rightly so, that Alexei Leonov criticized, he knows exactly what the rash actions will lead to.
    1. +3
      2 August 2012 18: 59
      Quote: Odessa
      And rightly so, that Alexei Leonov criticized, he certainly knows what the rash actions will lead to.

      It’s not at all understandable. There are space troops, but there are no military astronauts.
      And if it will be necessary to carry out military missions in outer space, but civilians cannot be ordered, then what?
      1. Russian-
        0
        2 August 2012 19: 24
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Space troops are

        There are space defense troops. ICBM blocks and satellites that must shoot down. And military cosmonauts - I actually honestly hear about this once, as I did not think about it.
        But judging by it, scientists and other narrow specialists should fly into space. Physicists, biologists, ecologists there, in general, those who carry out scientific experiments in space. space, zero gravity, vacuum.
        And what a sorry for the expression. do there military?
        There are no star wars, there are no spaceships with laser installations either. Who should they fight with?
        It is clear - that there are experiments - pres. military targets. But then again - the scientist must carry them out, right! Let it be for military purposes and by order of the military, with a subscription everything is there. But a scientist.
        So I think the opposite is good. They freed places (the number of which is still limited) - for the right people.
        1. +5
          2 August 2012 20: 58
          You probably do not know, but astronautics is a double direction of science and the astronaut in uniform, while in orbit, performs both experiments for the purposes of science and for the defense of the country. In general, the Ministry of Defense under the leadership of Serdyukov, in my opinion, does not carry out a reform of the army, navy, aviation, military education and military cosmonautics, but the systematic destruction of what was built and honed over the years, which was considered one of the best in the world. As a result, we have what we have. And we have the order of formation of brigades, districts and military education, ripped off from the American armed forces. As a result of the so-called reform, military education and fleet management were destroyed (as a result of the transfer of the General Staff of the Navy from Moscow to Putin’s homeland), thousands of officers were dismissed, and GRU special forces were destroyed. Let at least one prove to me that this is all done for the good. I doubt that anyone will be able to.
        2. +1
          2 August 2012 23: 31
          They freed places (the number of which is still limited) - for the right people.

          Space explode?
        3. 0
          3 August 2012 00: 06
          Quote: Russ -
          And military astronauts - I actually honestly hear about this one time, as I did not think about it

          In the USSR, in general, a civilian astronaut is a rarity, mainly the military flew into space.
      2. Odessa
        +2
        2 August 2012 20: 24
        saturn.mmm,
        Saturn, can you leave me alone and revolve within `` your solar system? '' You terrorized me for half a night today, with your hooligan adventures, and today you decided to continue?
        And if it will be necessary to carry out military missions in outer space, but civilians cannot be ordered, then what?

        Ask this question to your Minister of Defense, what do I have to do with it? smile
        1. dreamer
          +2
          2 August 2012 20: 30
          Quote: Odessa
          Saturn, can you leave me alone and revolve within `` your solar system ''?

          Ester, you simply, with your charm and successful selection of avatars, have become similar in power to the Sun and draw many into your orbit smile

          On the site the Sun has risen,
          Everyone became joyful, warm,
          Sveti Esther and prosper
          And do not leave us miserable. love
          1. Odessa
            +1
            2 August 2012 20: 50
            dreamer,
            I’ll take everything into account, and
        2. +2
          3 August 2012 00: 10
          Quote: Odessa
          Saturn, can you leave me alone and revolve within `` your solar system ''?

          What a woman wants, God wants.
    2. John
      +7
      2 August 2012 19: 03
      Sirdyukov de-rast !!! Where does Putin look? Or they decided to save on salaries, pay less to civilians.
      1. Russian-
        -2
        2 August 2012 19: 25
        Quote: John
        Or they decided to save on salaries, pay less to civilians

        Do not smack nonsense and it’s too early to believe this article yet
      2. +3
        2 August 2012 21: 05
        Commander-in-chief is the initiator of the pasture of the military and space, but the article is not rubbish, we see that space is becoming civilian, and how will the Americans, too, be forbidden to fly by the military?
      3. +3
        2 August 2012 23: 24
        Quote: John
        Sirdyukov de-rast !!!
        The truth is spoken, but slightly mistaken he is the rarest n-t. It’s just that there were no real officers left in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (they reduced or resigned themselves) to put him in the ass
  4. bremest
    +7
    2 August 2012 18: 34
    Wrong decision. The core of cosmonautics should be the army. Military flier, astronaut, length of service, rank, surcharges, pension. These are great incentives for the successful work of the astronaut.
    1. Russian-
      -5
      2 August 2012 19: 31
      And what does the military have to do in your space? Eat and sleep?
      He did not defend doctoral / candidate, he does not know sciences. What use is there from the military.
      THERE - scientists must be. To make discoveries, to put all kinds of experiments there. And in the protection - they seem to not need it there yet.
      There will be times - when we will fight in space with manhole / neutron fluids on spacecraft - then please.
      And then - 1 spacesuit - is done for 1 flight - a new flight - a new spacesuit - it costs 1 spacesuit only - about 30.000.000 rubles. You know the big savings will be - if only those who will benefit from these flights will fly only. And from the military - it’s not there yet.
      1. +6
        2 August 2012 20: 14
        Eugene!
        At one time, when they tested some "product", sometimes there were such marks
        - "approved for exploitation, except for use in the national economy, in view of not the possibility of ensuring security measures"
        The reason for this entry was that civilian workers were more negligent in their responsibilities to operate the "product".

        In order not to explain much, I can say for my specialization, as a result of the impossibility of ensuring proper control and compliance with all safety measures, closed-type diving equipment did not enter the objects of the national economy. (these are products containing HPI for air purification)

        On the other hand, a military man - regardless of salary or her support, will fulfill the order (this is holy), and a civilian can send and hide behind a bunch of civil laws and even declare a strike.
        Therefore, in certain things where the issue is worth the life and safety of people and where there should be strict discipline which is a guarantee of security, today, nothing needs to be changed.

        There is one more side.
        Military personnel do not comply with Taburetkin’s order. They carry out the orders of their commanders. On which he has a certain influence.
        Officials also can not influence, as the astronauts and the OP are military personnel.
        It turns out that this order is only in the interests of this contingent, for control (and maybe fraud) in this industry.
        Maybe then the new ministry will organize the "National Space Economy". Children should be attached to their officials somewhere! There are no more places in the Duma!
      2. +8
        2 August 2012 21: 56
        To put it mildly, you are mistaken ...
        I studied at the Kaliningrad VVMU from 84 to 89, so: - not a single officer in any department received a promotion if he did not have a candidate, etc. degrees ...
        ..Do not be mistaken and consider an officer of the Armed Forces uncouth cattle, as it has become fashionable now ...
        ... Well, you don’t have to think that in space corn is sprouted or Drosophila crosses .... Probably 90-95% of the work is done for military purposes ......
        Do you not understand this?
        Gagarin incidentally flew in as a major of the USSR Armed Forces!
        1. +1
          2 August 2012 22: 28
          Igor!
          Hello!
          Sorry, I didn’t understand! Is this the answer to me or to whom ?!

          FREGATENKAPITAN
          To put it mildly, you are mistaken ...
          1. 0
            3 August 2012 06: 20
            This is an answer for Russ, he does not understand what the military can do in orbit ... (see above)
        2. Pavlodar
          0
          3 August 2012 04: 56
          100 percent agree!
      3. Pavlodar
        0
        3 August 2012 04: 54
        Judging by your statement, you are my friend, a typical "shpak" who successfully turned away from the army. Military specialists in space have always had their own, specific tasks, which they successfully coped with without the defense of a doctoral or candidate's degree.
      4. 0
        3 August 2012 07: 11
        Extremely knowing nothing.
  5. +5
    2 August 2012 18: 45
    Good. Cosmos was given to civilians. However, a situation is not ruled out when it will be necessary in the interests of the Ministry of Defense to do something in space in order to ensure our SECURITY !!! MOTHERLANDS. Will civilians fly and will do this? (Silence about the oath and chatter after the flight), But will civilians have enough professionalism? (again, let’s say that it is not the developer of the test product that will fly at the same time as the spacecraft and complete the training course, not as a tourist) In general, there are more questions than answers.
  6. escapes
    +4
    2 August 2012 18: 45
    Piderasts !! there are simply no other words
    1. Pavlodar
      +1
      3 August 2012 05: 00
      Why not? Passive homosexuals (well, very passive). Both truth and tolerance are respected. :)
  7. +4
    2 August 2012 19: 00
    Well, yes, our defense minister is also civilian. Soon, nuclear deterrence will be transferred to Rosatom what
  8. -1
    2 August 2012 19: 29
    Putin knows what he is doing, because he is the supreme commander in chief. Does the supreme know what his subordinates do?
  9. 0
    2 August 2012 19: 34
    Medvedev was instructed to save money on the budget of the army, so he is trying like an elephant in a china shop.
    Now, if the cosmonaut corps had not switched to civilian service, it would have been "ridiculous." The whole world would ha ha catch and jump with happiness. Maybe the "leaders" would scratch their heads from their actions.
  10. +3
    2 August 2012 19: 35
    Quote: HUMANOID
    nuclear deterrence will transfer to Rosatom
    and the air force of agricultural aviation? I'm afraid to imagine who will be given the chemical arm laughing
    1. +3
      2 August 2012 20: 29
      jagdpanzer
      ....... Air Force Agricultural Aviation?

      I won’t say anything about aviation, but the next modernization of the tank troops will end with the creation of the MTS under some kind of ministry (and possibly with an agricultural mine), that's for sure.
      Division-Brigade-MTS = more like the surrender of Russia and its disarmament.
    2. 0
      3 August 2012 02: 45
      Chemical weapons leak at a factory near Bryansk
      Soldiers from the unit located in the city of Pochep were sent to liquidate the consequences of the spill of a mixture of toxic substances.

      As representatives of military unit No. 21225 told Life News, the leak of toxic substances at the chemical plant occurred on July 26 at around 9.45 in the morning. First of all, the enterprise sent an urgent telegram to the Office of Civil Defense and Emergencies of the region.

      Despite the fact that the information about the incident was kept a closely guarded secret, rumors that Bryansk and the region were in danger of chemical infection instantly spread among local residents. The administration tried to fight panic and declared the situation safe for the population.
  11. yak69
    +5
    2 August 2012 20: 27
    Wherever in our lives we turn our eyes, the destructive consequences of the cases of shit-headed people led by Putin and Medvedev are visible everywhere. I do not understand those who say that it became better to live precisely thanks to the current authorities. Well, I can’t see positive systemic changes for the better!
    Around only fire measures, ill-conceived and somewhere and deliberately harmful actions leading to even greater destruction of our entire state-production-public machine.
    Reforms of education, science, medicine, civil service, agricultural, industry, military-industrial complex, army failed miserably.
    There was space ...
    Now, now it will not be. Or it will work to serve Western countries. In a word, the demonic bacchanalia successfully continues.
    And we are silent ......
    1. +3
      2 August 2012 21: 04
      Fully agree!
      Scary for the motherland, insulting to tears.
    2. 0
      2 August 2012 23: 36
      Quote: yak69
      And we are silent ....
      What is the use of shouting, one must act. All these rallies are breaking a forehead into a concrete wall. In the Russian Federation there is not yet a person whom the country would follow. Personally, I am disappointed with the inaction of the GDP, it was better to vote for Prokhorov-- the people would certainly rise from their knees and throw off this democracy
      1. +1
        3 August 2012 02: 36
        How are you mistaken in priorities:?! Prokhor is a foreign capitalist. It has nothing to do with Russia except platinum.
        1. 0
          3 August 2012 17: 33
          In Russia, it is necessary to act the other way around according to the principle, the worse, the faster the Russian peasant will understand it is time to act, you will not sit out. Prokhorov: for 60 hours a working week, for retirement from 65 years, etc. This is enough to repeat October 17th. Maybe the GDP, just what it wants, is to bring the people to revolt with their appointments to the main posts of the country - moron.
      2. +1
        3 August 2012 06: 25
        Of course! ... Prokhorov is ours, from the people and for the people! Come on ....... Prokhorov is the result of all this policy, and the brightest! And he earned his billions precisely on the collapse .... and he won’t move a finger to fix something ... after all, this is the system he is!
  12. PATRIOT 13
    +2
    2 August 2012 20: 28
    mistake .. and the hands of traitors reached space ..
    1. +1
      2 August 2012 21: 09
      any reform is the collapse of the created and talk about building the future. Not long ago, according to RBC, it was reported that river shipbuilding can not build ships, and the old ones are already junk.
  13. +1
    2 August 2012 21: 03
    The beginning of the end of the Patriotic cosmonautics began with the completion of the Buran program, the end was put up with the abandonment of the Mir space station (Salyut-8), and the point was to give spacecraft to civilians.
    How I hate them!
    1. -1
      3 August 2012 02: 28
      It is regrettable to agree with you, but the facts are stubborn statistics.
  14. Brother Sarych
    0
    2 August 2012 21: 13
    Of course, complete, but the impression is confirmed that astronautics are very disturbing for someone ...
  15. +1
    2 August 2012 21: 55
    Why dismiss something ??? Who is bothering?
    1. +2
      2 August 2012 22: 11
      You know!
      Something similar is happening in the Ministry of Emergencies
      Almost all officers are attached to the ministry and regional representations, and municipal units are transferred completely to civilian.
      In our city, as soon as the last officer of the city Ministry of Emergencies received a demobilization, the second sign of the Main Directorate for Civil Defense and Emergencies was also removed, and the second (city) was remade and now the City Rescue Service .....
      As soon as there are too many comments (on emergency prevention), so minus the funding.
      This is true on a different scale, but the principles are probably the same.
    2. 0
      3 August 2012 07: 14
      Military astronauts are hindering the West, and they are firing.
  16. in reserve
    -2
    2 August 2012 21: 56
    Once you have to start making space civil. So that everyone has the opportunity to become an astronaut, even a guest worker if he has a head on his shoulders and health. And over time, civilian specialists will be able to become pros. in the business. I am for free space! I always dreamed of flying. Take the NASA civic organization, they not only do a lot in the scientific plan, but also make this information publicly interesting for children. These are maps of the earth in the public domain pictures of different constellations, and look at the NASA website. It’s perfectly made. It’s nice to go to a lot of computer simulation videos . Go to the Roskosmos website; information is printed in printed form in a language that is accessible only to specialists.
    1. 0
      3 August 2012 02: 20
      Many inadequate people gathered on this resource, the only mention of Google in which causes a stupor of consciousness. Maps of the Earth that these inadequate use. and criticism of our Russian lazy algae, lagging behind Western technology, causes them a mixed sense of inferiority and inferiority. Do not be surprised that when you talk about the achievements of the deeply echeloned military organization of NASA and DARP, you expose yourself to the envy of primitive embryos who are not able to appreciate the abyss of the backlog of Russian technology from Swedish, Finnish and Taiwanese achievements. Even the proof of the Poincaré theorem by the Soviet mathematician Grishka Perelman for them is something otherworldly. How much the Russian Academy of Sciences has put forces on discretization, discrimination of this Jew, who has mastered the secrets of the governance of the universe. Citing NASA as an example, and proving that it is a civil organization. you mislead the Russian reader. There is no more militarized and militarized, top-secret unit in the world than this organization, which was covered with mug.
  17. Mirolubivyi
    +2
    2 August 2012 22: 02
    A MILITARY MAN NEEDS ANYWHERE, AND ALREADY IN THE SPACE, EXACTLY DOES NOT HARM. In emergency situations, comrades scientists can stupidly panic, and choke each other (God forbid, of course), but everything will be clear under the supervision of a military man. BY CHARTER!
    1. +2
      2 August 2012 22: 16
      That's right, it is not in vain that our fathers and grandfathers said: Live according to the Charter, you will win Honor and Glory !!!!. The charter was written in blood ...
  18. KOMOd Shpakov
    +1
    2 August 2012 23: 46
    Dibilism. This is sabotage and sabotage of a state scale.
  19. +2
    3 August 2012 01: 33
    It seems that the cosmonaut squad retained a sense of the exclusive mission of the pioneer mission, which cannot be said about the appointed furnished remodelers.
  20. +5
    3 August 2012 02: 28
    Initially, we had three cosmonaut teams: the CPC belonged to the Air Force, there was a cosmonaut team at RSC Energia, and there was a team at the Institute of Biomedical Problems. Several years ago, they merged into one (CPC). And even earlier there were units of the Academy of Sciences, at the Center. Khrunicheva and others. They belonged either to the structures of the Ministry of Defense, or to enterprises that in Soviet times were part of the Ministry of General Engineering (the "rocket ministry" if in general terms), To date, the combined cosmonaut corps includes 38 people.
    Moreover, the Cosmonaut Training Center itself has been a military unit since its inception. But in 2010, as part of Serdyukov’s military reform, the “reformers” decided that the Ministry of Defense did not need manned space flight and only wasted money in vain. After that, the Center was deleted from the list of military units and thrown out of the Ministry of Defense. All officers of the center were offered to either "take off epaulettes" or go to a new duty station. At that time, there were few civilian specialists involved in the training of astronauts at the Center: former soldiers who, after retirement, were unable to part with the Center and remained there to work as instructors, most of the instructors and teachers were military personnel. That is, unique, literally “piece-wise” specialists on planet Earth (on the fingers of one hand you can count, for example, instructors on manual control modes of a spacecraft during docking or instructors on life support systems of a space ship (station)), if you wish to continue service, and some only had a few years to retire, they had to quit the Center, a profession and go to unknown positions to vacant positions, including sergeant, if there were no officers, to retire to retirement. That was the approach to the staff! This is the attitude towards people! Saw, evil is not enough!
    At the same time, even those who agreed to quit, having a sufficient length of service, could not be dismissed without providing apartments. And it was really bad with them - most of the housing in Zvezdny is official. As a result, the prospect of a complete paralysis of the Training Center arose, because it simply collapsed before our eyes, and the preparation of the astronauts had the prospect of completely stopping. The scandal appeared, and the Center was quickly transferred to Roskosmos to hush it before the elections, and it was accepted the decision of about 200 officers who could not be fired or transferred to a new duty station, and without which the CPC could not do, including all cosmonauts, was left at the Center military personnel. In the identity card in the section for all officers of the CPC and the Cosmonaut Squad, the entry reads: “sent without suspension of military service at the FSBI Research Institute of the CPC named after Yu.A. Gagarin. " Thus, at the cost of tremendous efforts and tricks, it was then possible to prevent the disruption of crew training.
    True, from that moment the center began to continuously fever. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation represented by Serdyukov categorically did not want to know the CPC anymore, and Roscosmos refused to recognize people in the form of "their own." As a result, for the first time in all the decades of the existence of the Cosmonauts' Detachment and the CPC since the beginning of 2012, TWO AND A HALF AND MONTHS have not been paid money maintenance! At the same time, Mr. Serdyukov, without blinking an eye, reported to the Prime Minister that "All military personnel received new high salaries back in December." Old-timers say that for half a century the existence of the CPC has never happened before. Even in the dashing 90s, when the whole country had not received money for months, Yeltsin officials found money to support cosmonaut and CPK detachments.
    And now the last act of drama has begun. Just before the Defender of the Fatherland Day (a gift to these same defenders), another presidential decree was issued, according to which Until the end of 2012, no military personnel should remain in the Cosmonaut Training Center! They should all be either fired or, who do not want to say goodbye to the army, transferred to a new duty station. And here the fun begins. The process of dismissal of military personnel is long, especially recently. And this is due to the fact that under the law, servicemen can be dismissed only after providing them with permanent housing. I think there’s no need to say what the situation today is with the provision of apartments to be laid off, only the lazy does not speak about it and does not write.
    The officer is placed at the disposal, and then he waits for the promised square meters, as a rule, it takes from a year to five years. It is clear that after the withdrawal for the state, a soldier is more does not have access to service standard equipment and is not responsible for it. This should be done by the shift operator, but in order to take one, not only do you need to have an appropriate vacancy, but it simply does not exist, the main thing is that there is simply nowhere to get such a specialist from. It simply does not exist in nature!
    Currently, military personnel located in the CPC have two ways of dismissal from military service. Or they quit with leaving on the waiting lists for housing, which in fact means that they quit without providing an apartment, and for a very long time, if not forever, they will wait for the square meters laid down by law from the Ministry of Defense, living in official housing and without that cramped Star. Or they’re going to work in a garrison until retirement age. But the most dramatic thing is that all of the above applies to astronauts!
    . Almost all of them, with the exception of one or two, live in official housing and have the full prospect of serving another five to eight years. Each of them has a dramatic choice: to remain true to their dream - to fly to Space, quit ahead of schedule and lose the right to receive an apartment from the state and a military pension, or give up on Space, which was just one step away, and go to earn a military pension and an apartment where -Never go to a distant garrison, since, having served in the Moscow region, according to the rotation order, the officer must be replaced in Siberia or the Far East with “any vacant position,” since equal or analogous to the “cosmonaut squad” simply does not exist in nature .
    As they say, comments are superfluous. Korolev would probably be horrified by this idiocy of effective managers.
    By the way, Krikalev (head of the CPC) cited data that for two months 164 applications were submitted for six vacant seats. For comparison, more than 27 applications for 01 places were submitted to the new NASA set at the time of the end of admission (January 2012, 6300). So here we correctly noticed that guest workers will also fly into space soon
    The first set of civilian astronauts in the then OKB-1 was made in 1963. This was when the Vostok program was already completed and the Voskhod program was being prepared, which involved not only such pioneer flights - the first crew, the first spacewalk, but and carrying out scientific biomedical research. And in that program, which was already sketched by Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, at least seven flights were supposed to be carried out on ships of the Voskhod type, including one on the biomedical program. A military medic and a civilian were to fly there, and they had to spend about a crescent in orbit, at that time it was a record and a great achievement. Various studies were supposed on the surface of the Earth, there were plans for the flight of a Soviet journalist into space, a program for the flight of a purely female crew, and others. Then it all went down in history, but many of the civilian cosmonauts who were involved in this training continued it already under the Soyuz, Salute, and Lunar programs. All these were engineers from OKB-1. “In the second half of the 60s, the ratio was approximately 60 to 40 in favor of the military. Then everything remained the same, there were no cardinal changes until very recently ”

    Academician of the Tsiolkovsky Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Alexander Zheleznyakov
    1. 0
      3 August 2012 10: 00
      Ascetic

      Great comment, thanks.
      You can express emotions only through the mat ...
    2. 0
      3 August 2012 17: 18
      All the actions of Serdyukov are described correctly. When the archives are declassified, the Russian Federation will find out who and when was recruited by Western intelligence !!!. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais, Gaidar, Zurab, repair, Fursenko are now Serdyukov. Russia had two troubles, now a third has been added - traitors to its people.
      thanks for the comment