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The legendary Mi-24 upgrade to the level of modern helicopters

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The legendary Mi-24 transport and combat helicopter developed in Soviet times will be modernized and brought to the level of modern helicopters. Tests of the new version will be completed in 2021. This was stated by the General Director of JSC "Leverage" (part of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern KRET) Alexey Panin.


Speaking to reporters, Panin explained that the modernized version of the Mi-24 is currently at the stage of creating a prototype. Factory testing of the helicopter will begin at the end of this year, and will end, according to plans, in the first quarter of next year.

Now we have officially closed two stages of development work: a technical project and the development of documentation. The Mi-24 helicopter is now at the stage of creating a prototype. The experimental machine, as we plan, will fly into the air very soon, and in the first quarter of next year we plan to complete factory tests

- he said.

Reportedly, in the process of modernization, the Mi-24 received a new airborne defense system, which allows protecting the helicopter from modern weapons, as well as conducting electronic reconnaissance and electronic suppression. In addition, the helicopter received a new cockpit, made on the principle of "glass", new aerobatic equipment and control system.

A new management system is also reported. weapons and the increased nomenclature of weapons of the modernized Mi-24, but details are not given.

Equipping the Mi-24 helicopter with modern electronic equipment and armaments allows achieving combat effectiveness comparable to the latest generation machines, much lower costs in comparison with the purchase of new helicopters

- stressed Panin.

Mi-24 (according to NATO classification: Hind - "Doe") - Soviet / Russian attack helicopter designed by the Moscow Design Bureau of M. L. Mil. The unofficial name is Crocodile. Serial production began in 1971. The helicopter is designed for the transfer of units of the ground forces, the evacuation of the wounded and fire support on the battlefield.
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  1. avia12005
    avia12005 27 June 2020 11: 09 New
    -6
    From the good of good are not looking for smile
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      From the good of good are not looking for

      It’s strange why then in the army, recourse still do not run with three-line ...
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 27 June 2020 16: 43 New
        20
        still do not run with three lines ... well, somewhere else they run. Well, so the pug is so skat launcher and not a platform. and she shoots with one single welt 7.62-54. (You can, of course, shmalnut with a NATO groove, but this is an exception). ... and the Mi-24 is a platform, and very well-proven. why not put more modern weapons on it. or rather sighting systems and both electronic warfare and SOEP. quite normal. behind a big puddle like the same age as the Mi-24 Sikorsky "Black Hawk2" is not going to retire
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 16: 50 New
          -6
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          Well, somewhere else they run.

          Not from a very good life, probably?
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          and the Mi-24 is a platform, and highly recommended seed. why not put on it more modern weapons. Rather, sighting systems and both electronic warfare and ESR. quite normal.

          Well, this is here:
          Quote: avia12005
          From the good of good are not looking for
          request
          What is the difference between a "platform" and a "launcher"? If not in the little things?
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 27 June 2020 17: 21 New
            +8
            and how the platform differs from the launcher ...... yes, simply. let him be a launcher. and the platform is a fairly large denomination of these launchers. from nursa to anti-tank systems. and Air-to-Air missiles, well, plus a shooter, well, something like this ... and if in the little things .... then this is to ergonomics and so on and so forth, and to the propeller-motor group, these are not trifles
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 09 New
              -3
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              the platform is a fairly large denomination of these launchers. from nursa to anti-tank systems. and Air-to-Air missiles, well, plus shooting

              About what and speech. Therefore, I repeat:
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Well, this is here:
              Quote: avia12005
              From the good of good are not looking for

              hi
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 28 June 2020 00: 00 New
                +4
                they don't look for good from the good ..... it's like to experience it on your skin, the 24th are still animals, or rather birds, it's like Semyonich sang about a yak fighter "and the one who sits in me thinks that he is a fighter", people control the car , and .. by the way. and the speed record for helicopters, which is set on the Mi-24 430 km per hour, is broken? otherwise ..... ancient, unnecessary ..... and who broke the record?
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 28 June 2020 05: 56 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  and then ..... ancient, not needed ..... and who broke the record?

                  This is all the same:
                  Quote: avia12005
                  From the good of good are not looking for

                  I repeat the third time. If necessary, I will repeat in the fourth. laughing
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 28 June 2020 08: 25 New
                    +3
                    I repeat the third time .... from good to good ... I somehow did not react to this comment. because what would it be necessary to answer him a certain amount of alcohol. company. what thread is a musical instrument and a young lady of the simplest behavior ........ and on the topic everything seems to be the norm ... ... crocadiles and alligators and night hunters and legendary eights regularly flare over my roof. true with a ramp. probably MVT, let them drive. and my soul is pleased ... POWER
                    1. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 28 June 2020 18: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                      Let’s drive. and my soul is pleased ... POWER

                      Amen! drinks
                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 29 June 2020 08: 54 New
                        +1
                        Amen! ..... verily amen, ..... in Vasyan you’re someone's blood enemy ... we’ll fix it, I’m sorry I can’t post it, there are some urls-shmurls there, and I have no idea what it is and what it’s with are eating
                      2. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 29 June 2020 18: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        Vasyan you are someone's blood enemy

                        So life has not lived in vain. laughing
  • Oleg kubanoid
    Oleg kubanoid 27 June 2020 11: 10 New
    11
    well, given the fact that this is the main machine in the air force .. then yes he needs modernization at least to level mi 35
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 27 June 2020 11: 31 New
      10
      The Mi-24 has enormous potential for modernization. Last year, at the request of Poland, RAFAEL presented a plan for the modernization of the Polish Mi-24.
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 13: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg kubanoid
      then yes he needs modernization to at least level mi 35

      Yes? And then what kind of beast, if not the modernization of the Mi-24?
      https://helicopter.su/mi_24-mi_35/
      1. bayard
        bayard 27 June 2020 18: 05 New
        -1
        Modernization is a planned event. All sides that have a sufficient resource, such should pass. In addition, such an upgrade seems more tailored to foreign customers, operators of this wonderful machine.
        In addition, the Mi-24 \ 35, this is a flying BMP, unlike the Mi-28, so no one will change this niche to a purely drums.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 18: 13 New
          0
          Quote: bayard
          In addition, the Mi-24 \ 35, this is a flying BMP, unlike the Mi-28, so no one will change this niche to a purely drums.

          In our particular case:
          Quote: Oleg kubanoid
          he (Mi-24] needs modernization to at least level mi 35

          Nobody says and swaps one for another (24 & 28).
    3. Flyer_64
      Flyer_64 27 June 2020 21: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg kubanoid
      to mi level 35

      The Mi-35 is an upgrade of the Mi-24, only a little truncated. The modernization announced by Alexey Panin, General Director of JSC "Lechag", is at last a deep and complete modernization of the Mi24.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 June 2020 11: 12 New
    +6
    They didn’t say anything about the engines ... And the well-deserved helicopter. Consider many boys, they (his qualities) owe life ...
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 June 2020 11: 15 New
    14
    And I thought the upgraded Mi-24 helicopter is the Mi-35 helicopter.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 27 June 2020 20: 35 New
      +2
      The Mi-35 has speed (due to a fixed gear) and the number of suspensions is lower compared to the Mi-24. hi
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 27 June 2020 11: 36 New
    14
    A lot of questions cause such a decision.
    To the level of which "modern" ones?
    We have the Mi-28, which is also, to put it mildly, not a very modern development, but was the result of "correcting errors" based on the experience of using the Mi-24. Bringing the Crocodile "to the level of" 28th is impossible, in principle, purely because of the layout decisions (troop compartment, placement of engines, etc.).
    Isn’t it better to spend this money on saturating the troops with truly modern machines?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 27 June 2020 11: 55 New
      -16
      We do not have helicopters that can be called modern. A fundamental issue in "electronics", a total lag in this area. From which platform do the Nurses and Bunks fire, I do not see much difference.
    2. dauria
      dauria 27 June 2020 13: 25 New
      +5
      Bringing the Crocodile "to the level of" 28th is impossible, in principle, purely because of the layout solutions (troop compartment, placement of engines, etc.).


      Yes, there is nothing wrong with the landing cockpit. She does not add weight, but the benefits when working with sites are huge. Technical support, equipment, junk in reserve immediately, you just can drag and drop soldiers to throw and throw right away. Well, you reduced the overall height by 28th. Is this really so important?
      Yes, and the cabin there, the three of us in potatoes and a bubble to drink. The empty place disappeared - well done, too. And the car is wonderful even for pilots, at least for techies. Everything in moderation - and power and armor, and compatibility with the eights. To write off early.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 27 June 2020 18: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: dauria
        She does not add weight
        I thought so too. It turned out that adds and decently.
      2. igor67
        igor67 27 June 2020 22: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: dauria
        The empty place disappeared

        it didn’t disappear at all, an additional fuel tank was installed
        1. good
          good 30 June 2020 01: 11 New
          0
          If you listen to the flyers who worked in Afghanistan, they did not use hanging tanks there, much less put them inside, and as a rule they didn’t carry anyone, the eights were carried by eights and the crocodiles covered with themselves and fire
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 27 June 2020 14: 32 New
      +2
      It is necessary to unify everything that is available by type of weapon. First of all, guided weapons and electronic complexes too
    4. bayard
      bayard 27 June 2020 18: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Isn’t it better to spend this money on saturating the troops with truly modern machines?

      The Mi-28 does not have an airborne squad; it will not be able to pick up the wounded, evacuate the reconnaissance group, or, on the contrary, land it and cover it with fire.
      The troop compartment is armored, so it will endure under fire.
      This is a BMP.
      Mi-28 is a tank.
      Mi-8 - conveyor, without the "armor" prefix.
      Each has its own niche of combat use.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 28 June 2020 14: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: bayard
        The Mi-28 does not have an airborne squad; it will not be able to pick up the wounded, evacuate the reconnaissance group, or, on the contrary, land it and cover it with fire.

        In the Mi-28, several people can climb into the tail through the hatch in an emergency.
        1. bayard
          bayard 28 June 2020 16: 00 New
          0
          And the Mi-24 command loves to fly - read that an armored taxi. yes Our Sangachal squadron (near Baku) didn’t carry anyone ... especially January-February 1990.
          They (Mi-24) even served in the air defense - to catch "Rustas" on light engines. soldier
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 27 June 2020 12: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    From which platform do the Nurses and Bunks fire, I do not see much difference.

    Yes, the difference is the same as between NAR and NURS
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 13 New
      -1
      Exactly, no.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 31 New
      +4
      It’s calmer with the armored and more cars will return to the airfield. And the Mi28 is fundamentally different from 24.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 46 New
        +2
        If you actually have only S-8, with its range of 2-3 km, only tank armor will save from air defense systems.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 50 New
          0
          And if they are not? And the tactics of action are different when patrolling and attacking a specific divorced target.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            And if they are not?

            Then the Mi-8 is enough.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 27 June 2020 13: 00 New
              +2
              There is a monograph about Mi24. They described the use of Mi8, and Mi8 and 24. For such purposes in Afghanistan. Due to losses, only Mi8 was abandoned.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 27 June 2020 13: 08 New
                -3
                Does it mean air defense? Well, we continue to hang in the zone of destruction of ZU-23
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 27 June 2020 13: 13 New
                  0
                  ZU23mm and Shilka 23mm different things and the missions of the helicopter are different.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 June 2020 12: 06 New
    +7
    The pinwheel is not bad. But the attempt to combine an attack helicopter and a transport helicopter did not prove itself. Alas, the large compartment in the glider radically worsens its capabilities as a combat vehicle. Large sizes, large volumes - are not used in any way. Built according to the classical scheme of the percussion - Mi - 28, it is definitely better. Modernization makes sense only if a significant result is achieved with minimal costs.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 14 New
      +2
      It's all smart now. At that time, it was one of the concepts. And then they made Mi28
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 27 June 2020 12: 15 New
        +2
        I do not deny this, I say that the idea has not justified itself. Does it make sense to fence the garden further?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          Nobody is flying Mi24 fly, they are being modernized. The garden is in another city. Mi35,20, Ka52. We buy 3 different helicopters at the same time.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 57 New
            -1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            We buy 3 different helicopters at the same time.

            3 types of the same helicopter targets, 3 types of the same tank goals. Even the United States with their budget does not allow this.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 27 June 2020 13: 02 New
              -1
              Tanks were riveted back in the USSR. And helicopters are already in the not rich RF
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 27 June 2020 13: 05 New
                -4
                Now this is happening with tanks. For some reason, the T80 is being returned to service.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 27 June 2020 13: 08 New
                  +3
                  They are there felts 3000pcs, felts 5000pcs. In storage. What to do with them?
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 27 June 2020 14: 48 New
                    -1
                    What to do with them?

                    Store next what else. Why return right now is really not clear. It’s a pity for remelting too early.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 14: 52 New
                      +1
                      Apparently they sit and decide. And they decided that it was better to send them to serve. And then, replace with the T90M. Apparently.
                2. alexmach
                  alexmach 27 June 2020 14: 50 New
                  0
                  Why did the T80 return to service

                  There were unverified rumors that the T-72s suitable for modernization were ending.
                  Another strange option is to support the Omsk (?) Plant.
                3. alexmach
                  alexmach 27 June 2020 14: 54 New
                  0
                  Why did the T80 return to service

                  Another option - they thought that it’s the same with three modifications to live, so why not with four?
                4. Stalllker
                  Stalllker 27 June 2020 17: 38 New
                  +3
                  They explained that they are more suitable for the northern latitudes of our vast homeland.
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 27 June 2020 17: 47 New
                    -8
                    Tell Finns will be surprised
                    1. Stalllker
                      Stalllker 27 June 2020 20: 15 New
                      0
                      And what is the relationship between the Finns and the T-80?
                      1. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 27 June 2020 20: 23 New
                        -4
                        Look at the map, see what tanks the Finns have, think.
                      2. Stalllker
                        Stalllker 27 June 2020 20: 29 New
                        0
                        Why should I look at the map, the tanks and think about the finns? Or is it news for you that a gas turbine engine is preferable to a diesel engine in cold weather ??? I have no doubt that the Finns were surprised when they learned about the news that the Russian Federation has decided to modernize the T-80 and thereby create and strengthen the "Arctic grouping".
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 28 June 2020 01: 01 New
                        +1
                        Why should I look at the map, tanks and think about the Finns?

                        For the fact that there you will find the answer to your question. Finns in their climate operate .... drum roll .... T-72. Diesel. And do not complain. Abrams gas turbine or something else does not change. Maybe they mean maybe Russia, and why not start another type of tactics in service, complicating the already complex logistics.
                        Well, another related question is that in these northern latitudes of the motherland are you going to do something on the T-80? Permafrost plow?
                      4. Stalllker
                        Stalllker 28 June 2020 03: 27 New
                        -2
                        Did I say that the T-72 can’t be operated? Only the T-80 for the north is preferable. And the Finns don’t have a T-80, so they use a T-72, and they don’t have money for the abrash. So put your fraction in yourself ****
                      5. Stalllker
                        Stalllker 28 June 2020 03: 30 New
                        0
                        Yes, and at the beginning of the conversation I did not ask questions, what would there be to look for. And about the map, tanks and Finns, this is a rhetorical question
                      6. good
                        good 30 June 2020 01: 44 New
                        0
                        To change the Finns you need to buy, and the Ministry of Defense already has T-80 in commodity quantities on its balance sheet. There is plenty to gather from right now and give people jobs. Koreans can exchange for their own but operate the T-80 and do not buzz.
                        The good thing is what is already there and not what will be.
                        Same thing with helicopters. there are enough good flying cars. which can carry a decent amount of weapons and assault forces if you really need to and if you can seriously pull them up, why not do it now.
                        It’s better to upgrade 24s than sculpt 35s. On the ground they can work wonderfully and in the same formation with 8 can serve
                        And 28 and 52 are purely percussion.
                        A normal move if they are hung on them by more powerful engines, modern avionics, navigation systems, communication systems, fire control, defense and weapons.
                      7. alexmach
                        alexmach 30 June 2020 09: 35 New
                        0
                        To change the Finns you need to buy, and the Ministry of Defense already has T-80 in commodity quantities on its balance sheet. There is something to collect right now

                        Firstly, the MO on the balance sheet has 72 and also in marketable quantities, of which you can also "collect right now."
                        Secondly, well, it’s not so easy to take and collect, they must also be modernized. After all, they are outdated for a long time. And here is the commissioning of 80-k this
                        1. separate modernization project
                        2. Another type of tanks in the ranks, and it requires individual specialists and spare parts logistics ..
                        Koreans can exchange for their own but operate the T-80 and do not buzz.

                        And they will change sooner or later. Note that Koreans are already exploiting and Russia is commissioning. And how many types of tacts do they exploit in total? For some reason, we are already introducing the fourth. At what is seriously different from existing ones in service.
                        how justified is it? I dont know. As for me, the decision is very controversial.
                        there are enough good flying cars. which can carry a decent amount of weapons and landings

                        But they can't. After all, there are either weapons or troops. Well, what does "decent flying" mean is a separate question.
                        With helicopters, it's a complete mess. Delivered 3 types of new "strike" helicopter, not unified at all for anything, even for weapons. Well, yes, the old 24-ki, if they are suitable for further operation, must be modernized first of all for the use of the same striking means.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 27 June 2020 20: 42 New
            0
            You can explain everything
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 27 June 2020 18: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Grazdanin
          For some reason, the T80 is being returned to service.
          For the north. Turbine in the cold works well.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 27 June 2020 18: 30 New
            -4
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Tell Finns will be surprised
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 27 June 2020 18: 31 New
              +2
              Do you have other information? Don’t share the link?
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 13: 29 New
        -2
        You are wrong.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 27 June 2020 13: 46 New
          +1
          But they are not released.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 June 2020 20: 18 New
    +1
    That's it. Does it make sense to spend money on upgrading the 24th if you can buy the new highly specialized Mi-28 or Ka-50 with the same money?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 20: 43 New
      +1
      They are much more expensive. It is necessary to upgrade. But why buy a Mi35?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 June 2020 21: 15 New
        0
        How much is supposed to be spent on modernization? And how much money can you buy new turntables? Not to mention the fact that the plants are loaded with work
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 28 June 2020 22: 11 New
          0
          They are already loaded. And so, the factories that make avionics and weapons are additionally loaded. Rostvertol has nothing to do with it at all. He releases Mi35 / 26/28 at home.
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 18 New
    -1
    Mi 24 and Mi 28 immediately planned to go together. Logic with both BMP and tank. These helicopters were created for other wars. That logic and concept makes sense, but it was in the 70s.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 27 June 2020 12: 20 New
      +6
      I doubt it very much. Mi-28 was created much later, taking into account the shortcomings of the 24th.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 27 June 2020 12: 29 New
        -2
        Not specifically mi 28, but a helicopter of this class.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 27 June 2020 12: 30 New
          +1
          Perhaps, but it was never created. Even the Mi - 35, only a deep modification of the 24th.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 22 New
      +2
      No. A normal transporter should go with Mi28 and not engage in unusual work
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 June 2020 12: 20 New
    +2
    Flying BMP, what's wrong with that? The landing party has protection against bullets, it is possible to evacuate under the enemy’s nose if it has MANPADS of course not.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 27 June 2020 12: 23 New
      +2
      Six people in the transport compartment significantly worsen the performance characteristics of the helicopter - this was understood in Afghanistan. And almost never used it in a transport version, only as a fire support helicopter.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 June 2020 14: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: TermNachTER
        And almost never used it in a transport version

        Because they never decided on large airmobile operations. And so the Mi-8 was enough.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 27 June 2020 15: 47 New
          +2
          I do not understand your logic. They didn’t dare to carry out large operations, that is, they were only small, but they used mi-8 with a larger number of troops than mi-24?
          Then, in theory, Mi-8 would not have been used at all, everyone and everything was transported for 24x ..
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 June 2020 18: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            I do not understand your logic. They didn’t dare to carry out large operations, that is, they were only small, but they used mi-8 with a larger number of troops than mi-24?

            Yes.
            Because the airmobile operation in the "big" war by default could not be imposing. Artillery and aviation simply could not hold the "corridor" for so long

            Therefore, it was necessary to minimize the time of the transfer of units and equipment.
            And in a big war, the Mi-24 would certainly fly out with paratroopers.

            I remember that in the second Chechen motorized rifle battalion they were transferred to the mountains for almost a day. Moreover, the landing site (one) and its future positions were tightly controlled by the reconnaissance division battalion.
            But according to the Charter, the battalion is supposed to land in one flight
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 27 June 2020 16: 39 New
          +2
          Well, I won’t argue, in Afghanistan I was a senior sergeant, I flew as a passenger on Mi-8, under the cover of Mi-24. I was not involved in decision-making.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 June 2020 18: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Well, I won’t argue, in Afghanistan I was a senior sergeant, I flew as a passenger on Mi-8, under the cover of Mi-24. I was not involved in decision-making.

            If some function is not needed, this does not mean that it is not needed
            For example, anti-tank guns never used "Ruta" And this only means that we did not have a chance to conduct military operations against NATO. Not that this device was useless.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 27 June 2020 20: 22 New
              +1
              Mattress makers, already in Vietnam, widely used separately transport and combat turntables, quite rationally.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 28 June 2020 07: 03 New
                -2
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Mattress makers, already in Vietnam, widely used separately transport and combat turntables, quite rationally.

                Such a number of helicopters as the Americans could not afford the Soviet Union.
                I remind you that they have an army aviation brigade per division.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 28 June 2020 21: 09 New
                  +2
                  When needed, the USSR could do almost anything. If the Central Committee of the CPSU set the task, it would be completed. Not all US divisions had a military aviation brigade.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 June 2020 18: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    If the Central Committee of the CPSU set the task, it would be completed.

                    Set. Not done.
                    Not a single air assault brigade was deployed in its entirety, with a helicopter regiment
                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 30 June 2020 20: 05 New
                      0
                      Set. Not done.

                      With two - combat and transport, a total of 135 helicopters, there were 3 - 11th, 13th, 21st such brigades.
                      It can be said otherwise - in the US Armed Forces there were not as many divisions as in the SA.
                    2. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 1 July 2020 06: 40 New
                      0
                      The helicopter regiment was part of the army, there were separate helicopter squadrons. In the USA, not everything is so good either. Only the 101st assault landing had permanent aviation, all the rest - as needed or whenever possible.
                2. Mityasha
                  Mityasha 30 June 2020 18: 17 New
                  0
                  At one time in the USSR there were AA divisions.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 30 June 2020 18: 42 New
                    0
                    There were. But the Americans still have more of them. I could not afford a helicopter regiment to every motorized rifle division of the USSR.
                    1. Mityasha
                      Mityasha 30 June 2020 18: 45 New
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                      There was no need, the doctrine was different, unlike NATO. And the ground forces were larger than the amers.
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 30 June 2020 18: 50 New
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                      Quote: Mityasha
                      There was no need

                      The need was just the same. When the air assault brigades and battalions in large quantities created. But not pulled
        3. Stalllker
          Stalllker 28 June 2020 03: 34 New
          -3
          You talk like a passenger
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 12: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Herman 4223
    Flying BMP, what's wrong with that?

    Absolutely nothing. Especially if there are options, such as shock, landing, ambulance and transport.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 27 June 2020 18: 23 New
    +2
    "... Mi - 28, definitely better."
    When and where did he prove it?
  • 41st region
    41st region 27 June 2020 12: 08 New
    +3
    There is an interesting interview with a Mi-24 pilot on Tactic Media. And a few comparisons with the Mi-35.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 June 2020 12: 12 New
    +2
    There, some kind of story was about competition for the modernization of the army Mi24. And on Army2019 showed 2pcs Mi24. From different offices. Both are not RostVertol and not KB Miles.
    One was "P" with AFAR in the bow, the second I don't remember.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 June 2020 12: 17 New
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    Panin is a familiar surname, I hope that this is not the one that was fond of dogs.
    And so it’s a good thing, there are a lot of such turntables, and for less money you can get a large fleet of modern cars.
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 June 2020 13: 06 New
      +1
      The sick actor Panin has no such interests.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 27 June 2020 14: 40 New
        +1
        Yes, the dog knows him.
      2. Mark kalendarov
        Mark kalendarov 27 June 2020 16: 17 New
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        Yes Panin died, died ... For a long time. Rest in peace! He was a good actor.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 27 June 2020 16: 20 New
          +1
          German and I wrote about Alexei Panin, and not about Andrey Panin.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 June 2020 12: 34 New
    -1
    It also reports on a new weapon control system and an increased nomenclature of weapons for the upgraded Mi-24, but no details are provided.

    Surprise adversaries will be. laughing
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 27 June 2020 13: 07 New
    +3
    And rightly so. A recognized helicopter - improve engine armor, electronics ....

    And then on new scandals or promises, and the release is not so hot ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 27 June 2020 13: 28 New
    +2
    As they just did not call him ... transport assault, shock ... And the crocodile took root. A good helicopter can only be compared with mi-8 in terms of popularity and reliability.
  • demo
    demo 27 June 2020 15: 57 New
    +2
    Equipping the Mi-24 helicopter with modern electronic equipment and armaments allows achieving combat effectiveness comparable to the latest generation machines, much lower costs in comparison with the purchase of new helicopters

    - stressed Panin.

    As a layman in the field of aviation, it is difficult for me to judge whether this helicopter can or cannot be upgraded to the level of today.
    What intrigues me the most is that for the last 10-15 years, stuffing from various responsible, unresponsive and irresponsible officials and civil servants has been constantly coming from just such information.
    That is, for example.
    We began to study the issue of deep modernization ... and the name.
    In it, Soviet designers laid a huge potential .... a list of what was laid.
    The prototype (s) will be ready for .... and three to five years in advance.

    Only I get the impression of how successfully and fruitfully our defense industry is developing?

    And we, the heirs of the great Union, the descendants of restless talented people who laid such capabilities in their brainchilds, we can only modernize planes, helicopters, and tanks with ships.
    And against the backdrop of the fact that the President of Russia approves the Education 2030 Program and makes changes to the procedure for examinations, certification, and before receiving education, we can safely predict that in a short period of time, instead of modernization, we will proudly declare that that our specialists successfully cleaned / washed this and that product manufactured in 1976. And what we have, there are still prospects in this difficult work.
    For hurt, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers left a whopping.
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 28 June 2020 03: 40 New
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      And what does our partners have fresh ??? I can’t remember anything fundamentally new, abrashas, ​​leopards, guns of different configurations are also half a century old. From fresh only with us, T-14 and Co., Su-57
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui 29 June 2020 15: 31 New
      +1
      "to achieve combat efficiency comparable to the latest generation machines, much less cost compared to the purchase of new helicopters," Panin emphasized. "... a very frequent boltological technique in terms of supposedly reducing the cost of everything and everyone (for example, working with a cheap mace - how colorful ventriloquism about total economy ... and on the exhaust, frantic and uncontrolled consumption and theft ... about the unnecessary Vostochny cosmodrome, they also lied to the point of economy ... clowns.
  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 27 June 2020 16: 14 New
    +1
    But isn't the 35th modernized 24th ???
    Here, upgrade and release the 35th! ...
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 27 June 2020 18: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Mark Kalendarov
      But isn't the 35th modernized 24th ???
      Here, upgrade and release the 35th! ...

      I heard that the Mi-35 has a problem with cleaning the chassis - a good upgrade! laughing
  • Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 27 June 2020 16: 49 New
    0
    main question: is the upgrade consistent with the developer? if the developer is not involved in the integration of new systems, then the MO is unlikely to become interested. they are completely satisfied with the existing P-shki and V-shki as fire support helicopters for infantry and equipment, while the 24s operate after the suppression of the detected air defense assets by the forces of bomber, attack aircraft or artillery (tactics worked out in Afghanistan and now used in Syria ), relatively simple breo mi24 p / v produces fewer failures
    in addition, according to the military balance 2019, we have no more than 100 deployed mi24 of all modifications concentrated in the center (including renovated and modernized mi24pn in Koltsovo) and the east of the country. mi35 (new construction), mi28n and ka52 are deployed in the western direction (the total number of attack helicopters deployed is about 380)
    most likely if the customer is found, then foreign.
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 27 June 2020 17: 36 New
    +4
    Well, why not muddle the PU cassette from the cargo compartment
    type for attack missiles, for several dozen missiles ?! Something similar in the USSR was used on a tank destroyer. Or some other rockets.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 27 June 2020 19: 57 New
      +2
      Better turret movable with GSh 23 or 30. And how much ammunition will fit in weight. Ganship will succeed.
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 27 June 2020 20: 18 New
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        Also an option ... two turrets for balancing and a common "basket" with ammunition
        1. igor67
          igor67 27 June 2020 23: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: Stalllker
          Also an option ... two turrets for balancing and a common "basket" with ammunition

          it’s not real, there’s nothing to fix it tightly, the floor in the cargo compartment is removable, it covers the fuel tanks, plus where to shoot, the consoles with nurses interfere
      2. Stalllker
        Stalllker 27 June 2020 20: 23 New
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        Hmmm bully better Mi-26 for turrets, Attacks and stick a dozen calibers on the external sling wassat
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 27 June 2020 22: 03 New
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          A dozen unfortunately does not fit. Have to be limited to five.
          1. Stalllker
            Stalllker 27 June 2020 22: 43 New
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            Yes, this is humor, do not take this seriously
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 28 June 2020 10: 40 New
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              Well, I initially humored.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 June 2020 13: 56 New
    -1
    The modernization of the legendary Mi-24 (Crocodile) has been brewing for a long time, the helicopter has proven itself for decades and participating in various wars, but it’s not entirely clear to me personally, but is the Mi-35 not a modernization of the Mi-24? Or is the 35th still a more truncated version?
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 22: 26 New
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    drinks good hi
    cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 29 June 2020 22: 27 New
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    Quote: Alexey-74
    The modernization of the legendary Mi-24 (Crocodile) has been brewing for a long time, the helicopter has proven itself for decades and participating in various wars, but it’s not entirely clear to me personally, but is the Mi-35 not a modernization of the Mi-24? Or is the 35th still a more truncated version?

    amount of trump card!
  • aristok
    aristok 30 June 2020 16: 31 New
    +2

    The very concept of a flying BMP is damaging - Russia does not need this misunderstanding.
    Therefore, it is best to upgrade the Mi-24 (for a high price) and ALL to sell abroad.
    We must immediately take advantage of the current political situation and quickly flush out all the Mi-24s of the frightened Chinese of India.
  • Mityasha
    Mityasha 30 June 2020 18: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    But according to the Charter, the battalion is supposed to land in one flight

    By what charter? And what about airborne armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles? Do not confuse anything?
  • Mityasha
    Mityasha 30 June 2020 18: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Stalllker
    You talk like a passenger

    Can you educate on the composition of US divisions, not as a passenger?