Underfunded: Ukraine has stopped work on upgrading the Su-24MR

"Odessa aviation the plant will continue to work on the creation of a modernized version of the Su-24MR front-line bomber only after resuming funding for the project.

In May this year, the Odessa-based Dumskaya publication announced the cessation of funding for the development of a modernized version of the Su-24MR. The reason for this was called the unavailability of production for the full implementation of work. Currently, the enterprise is putting in order the design documentation for the aircraft, after which allegedly funding will resume and work will continue.

What kind of aircraft did Ukrainian designers decide to create on the basis of the Soviet Su-24 front-line bomber?

According to available information, the development of a modernized version of the Su-24MR began in 2017. Together with the Odessa aircraft plant, the Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant also participated in the development. According to the plans of the designers, during the modernization, an “almost new” reconnaissance aircraft was supposed to be capable of fixing the entire front line from a distance of more than 100 km using a side-view station. The development took 4 years, i.e. in 2021, the prototype of the aircraft was to go for testing.

(...) already next year (...) a prototype reconnaissance aircraft with the ability to detect targets at the level of modern generation 4+ aircraft and transmit information (...) online

- writes the edition.

As stated at the Odessa aircraft plant itself, a total of several modernization options were developed, suggesting that the “new” Su-24MR would be able to detect ground targets from a greater distance and quickly receive and transmit intelligence information. In addition, it was assumed that navigation, communications and landing means would lead to the standards of NATO and ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization), as well as to increase control of on-board systems.

The "desire" of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to receive a "new" reconnaissance aircraft Su-24MR should be explained separately: only 30 million hryvnias were allocated for R&D, and then funding was stopped altogether. And taking into account the fact that, according to the new vision for the development of the Ukrainian Air Force, reconnaissance aircraft are supposed to be replaced drones, this project may be completely terminated as unnecessary.

Comments

[seti]

Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

[fetus]

did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "stole")

[doubovitski]

Quote: janin

did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "stole")

How can one contradict the other?
In fact, they complement each other. For "over-stealing" "underfunded" is an excuse. And vice versa.

[tech3030]

So maybe our scouts work there, they redraw ?! I laugh of course, but what if it’s true?

[Zacvasetskiy]

Rather, the second!

[venik]

Quote: janin

did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "stole")

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So these are the words - synonyms! By the way - "reUKRAwhether "sounds very symptomatic ...... Don't you think?

[credo]

Quote: seti

Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

This is not a reason for joy.
So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.

[doubovitski]

Quote: credo

Quote: seti

Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

This is not a reason for joy.
So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.

As an example, Lithuania bought 4 boats, about the same as in Ukraine, the recovery trin. the fourth is on the organs. There are no spare parts, and they have not been produced for many years.
As an example, 16 boats, in the form of "help", but for the loot, the disposal of which will be more expensive than the profit for the metal. Why is Soviet-made scrap metal worse than American scrap metal? If it was easier to communicate with Soviet technology - instructions, instructions, and so on as usual, in a familiar language, then you still need to go to the English version ...
There was a case in China. They transferred documents from the English to a huge port crane. And they were surprised, why did he stop working. They called manufacturers, tried to shame, and those in return, this crap had to be LUBRICATED, and you DYED. Such miracles of translation happen here.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: credo

Quote: seti

Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

This is not a reason for joy.
So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.

For me personally, the main thing is that they do not shoot at the cities and people who remember and are proud of the Soviet past from Soviet weapons. Which do not want to be part of Western Civilization.
Therefore, when a Su-2014 attack aircraft shot at Lugansk in 25, whose Russian-speaking pilot accepted the 2014 coup, the ideals of Bandera and the Ukrainian-speaking Western Ukraine, who are alien to the Soviet world and the Russian World, were very painful. Would the brilliant designer P. Sukhoi and his students know that a Su-25 product would bomb the center of Voroshilograd? (Lugansk)
Therefore, no matter how absurd this may sound, I am glad if Ukraine switches to the weapons of Western Civilization. It will be more honest and even moral. Once they decided to become part of the Western World, then let them get rid of the weapons of the Soviet world.

[Thrifty]

The next rollback theme is the creation of a 6th generation aircraft based on the MiG19 ???

[Russ]

The gold reserve is dumb ....

[Pereira]

The yellowish-black paint is over. But this is + 1000XP.

[Threaded screw]

The yellowish-black paint is over.

I give birth to paint enough and okay.

[Pereira]

Then it should be shown more often on TV. Let everyone be afraid. And then, if it takes off, then at a distance no one will see or be afraid.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

They are older than the Sumerians, let them fly on pterodactyls.

[Pereira]

And they swim on trilobites.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

We do not mind.

[spech]

They definitely "float"

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So much for Odessa ,, (Hucksters. Who pays is the master.

[Incvizitor]

Everything is taken there, but nothing has been done or done, but the garbage is full, it looks like a constant cut.

[bober1982]

The idea of ​​modernization itself was not bad, but if you decided to switch to NATO standards, then there is no point in modernizing the Su-24MR - no, it's just an empty lesson.
Buyalyk, Kolomyia, Chortkov - at one time there were strong reconnaissance regiments that were the first to be retrained on the Su-24MR and Su-24MP.
Everything went to dust, some non-existent NATO standards remained, obsessive and manic ideas.

[helmi8]

In fact, the Su-24 was produced in Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In Nikolaev KVR was made. Where did Odessa come from? Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24MR are not mass-produced since 1993. With reservations, does it belong to generation 4, but is it immediately up to 4+? Oh well...

[bober1982]

Quote: helmi8

Where did Odessa come from?

The regular base is ordinary, they all have it there so called, not only from Odessa.

[helmi8]

Quote: bober1982

The regular base is ordinary, they all have it there so called, not only from Odessa.

This is clear. The trick is that Odessa did not repair the Su-24 ...

[bober1982]

Quote: helmi8

Odessa did not repair the Su-24 ...

What is there to be surprised, the Lvov rembase on the MiG-29MU2 hangs the X-29T, everyone can, jack of all trades.

[VO3A]

.

It is reserved for generation 4.

You did not guess with reservations to generation 3 applies... This plane was a carrier of nuclear weapons, so it survived ... In Syria, it is used only thanks to the installation (only part of the Su-24M has been modified), the SVP-24 Hephaestus system .... This is without taking into account the complete uneconomic and large costs for the preparation of this "ancient trash" ... And even in the absence of air defense and air force of the enemy ... The old blacksmith's hammer is used for hammering in nails .. And they brought IT to Syria .... And at the same time they talk about some achievements ... And then they take offense when they laugh at us ...

[helmi8]

Quote: VO3A

You didn’t guess, it refers to generation 3 with reservations

"Generation" 4 "
Tu-22M, Tu-160, B-1, FB-111, with reservations - Su-24. "
http://vremena.takie.org/news/pokolenija_bombardirovshhikov_kak_okazalos_prodolzhenie/2013-03-22-46

[VO3A]

I served this plane for 4 years, and researched all its possibilities ... And you are poking me the opinion of "dummies" ... received from dubious advertising sources and made by laymen who have never serviced this plane ...

[helmi8]

Quote: VO3A

And you poke me the opinion of "dummies"

Well, if for you the opinion of an employee of the GKNPTs them. Khrunichev. SV Aleksandrov - this is the opinion of the "teapot", then of course.

[VO3A]

He is an interested person and is engaged in advertising, ..and his memories of an elderly person too .. It's in a soft form, but in general it is called differently ... SU-24 after even Su-17M3 is a stone age in terms of service ... and reliability ... You would know how his technicians are called ...

[bober1982]

Quote: VO3A

You would know what his techniques are called ...

And, as they say, interested.

[bayard]

Su-24 is "3" + (like MiG-23, MiG-27). But as a tactical bomber, he still copes well today. Especially with "Hephaestus".
But the Kurdamir aviation technicians complained to me, after the rearmament from Su-17 to Su-24, that in one flight, up to 5 (FIVE) avionics failures. Neither aircraft technicians nor pilots loved him ... at least at the turn of the 80s and 90s. Very difficult to maintain, a great time for inter-flight training.
But he has not yet lost his good. And so it will be until the complete rearmament of the Su-34.

[bober1982]

Quote: bayard

But Kurdamir aviation technicians complained to me, after re-equipment from Su-17 to Su-24

The Kurdamir regiment was retrained very late on the Su-24, only in 1989, the planes were old, they never flew on EMs. About the same time, pogroms started in their garrison. It was not before flights.
On paper, the regiment was more than respected (of the orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov), in fact, the regiment was actually not combat ready, as of 1989. Of course, the level of the regiment is weak.

Quote: bayard

Neither aircraft nor pilots loved him ... at least at the turn of the 80s and 90s

At the turn of the 80-90s, the Su-24 was brought to perfection, and literally, those who did not really operate it had no time to fall in love with this aircraft. When in 1989 the ISA was finished off, retraining the last remnants of the regiments from Su-17 to Su-24 - Lutsk, Ovruch, Kurdamir, Siverskaya, Smuravy, the level of these regiments on the Su-24 was low, since retraining to a new plane, especially the transition to bomber aviation is a complex process, plus the collapse of the Union.

[bayard]

Yes, I remember those events - I served there. When the Kurdamir Regiment was our unit of RTV air defense. That conversation with his aircraft took place at the end of 1990. And when in 1989 they began to rearm it on the Su-24, then about seven, if not ten report pilots wrote - the plane was then notorious, in conversations we constantly talked about 17 dead test pilots on it ... Although those pilots died mostly on a completely different Su-24 - with a triangular wing and four vertical thrust engines ... But pilots are superstitious people. And they heard about the capriciousness of this bird.
And at the turn of the 80s - 90s yes, they brought him to mind. It became quite a decent plane.
But the Su-17 was always talked with warm sadness ...
And the Union then bursting at the seams ... especially in Azerbaijan.

By the way, the planes of the Kurdamir regiment in January 1990 were involved in intercepting the ships of the so-called. "oil flotilla", which the putschists tried to hijack to Iran ... But there was continuous low cloud cover (no targets were found). True, with the roar of engines, the attackers were frightened with order, they immediately turned back and were taken under the control of the Soviet paratroopers.
It was fun time - the whole sky was in helicopters ... In one day, 17 helicopter regiments were transferred to Azerbaijan from all over the Union (42 to 46 helicopters in each - personally provided their wiring) ... And then they flocked to and fro. here - the Armenian population and the transfer of troops were evacuated ... And we also had our own Mi-24 squadron - in the air defense division.
Youth ...

[bober1982]

Quote: bayard

But the Su-17 was always talked with warm sadness ...

Su-17 is the dream of every IBA-shnik, and it was hard to switch from a fighter-bomber to a real bomber, even from the point of view of psychology. But, time passed, and the guys, the former Ibashniki, calmed down, especially since the Su-24 to run away, not to hide, he covered everyone, or almost everyone. There were only ones who ran from retraining to a plane in all Air Armies and Districts, just to avoid the plane, but they also got their Su-24s. As a result, the plane was very much loved among them, albeit by force.

Quote: bayard

And the Union then bursting at the seams ... especially in Azerbaijan.

Do not envy, the massacre began.

[bayard]

Quote: bober1982

Do not envy, the massacre began.

What was, what was. We sheltered local Armenians in our military units, and then evacuated to the north. And until their families were evacuated, they left for the service ... with alarm. But as sent, hands were free. That rebellion of 1990 was quickly extinguished - the last manifestation of the organized strength of the Great Army of the Great State ... And the locals thanked that they had put things in order so quickly and decisively, said "if these shaitans appear again, we ourselves will go to the military registration and enlistment office to ask for weapons." ..
And when the Union died, I was no longer there ...

[VO3A]

When in 1989 they finished off the ISA, retraining the last remnants of regiments from Su-17 to Su-24

Dear bober1982, I want to explain to you the reasons for such a transition .... Without going into details, by agreement with the Americans, which the stupid Soviet generals signed in the regiment, there could be only 30 nuclear weapons carriers, such as the Su-24 .... We all have there were 40 planes on the shelves ... The process of disaggregation began, and many had to switch to the new old Su-24 | | ... To quickly do this, the IBA regiments on the Su-17 M2, M3 took as a basis ... Which - then another fool-general considered the aircraft obsolete .... It was even more interesting with the Naval Aviation ... We almost didn’t have it, from the point of view of the nuclear weapons carriers, and here, some of the planes were transferred from the Air Force to the Navy formally, they changed the form, the banners changed ... And it turned out sailors in the steppes of Kazakhstan (in a joke - submariners) ... This shuffle was caused by stupid, or rather stupid, signatories of strategic offensive arms by the generals and leaders of the USSR ... A lot of money was spent, fate was broken, destroyed class aircraft only because of tourism top management with stav, including the Army. USSR ... If the Army had not collapsed through the fault of venal and stupid generals, and without exception, the USSR could have been saved .... The army collapsed earlier .... This collapse was recorded at the All-Army Conference of Representatives of Officer Assemblies at the end of 1988 in Moscow , where it turned out that the general of the USSR was completely divorced from the Armed Forces and decomposed and mired in corruption completely .... I was there ....

[bober1982]

I agree with you that everything was not done thoughtfully, but these were perestroika times, there was an imitation of work that ....

Quote: VO3A

Big money was spent, destinies were broken, the class of planes was destroyed only because of

The regiments were enlarged, then disaggregated, dispersed, re-formed and the like. The output is a complete zilch, the consequences are known.

[VO3A]

This is a front-line bomber ... With great preparation time, and low reliability, not economical and with poor performance characteristics, it took off with 2 tanks and one rocket or 4 sn-ki ....

[bayard]

Yes, I know that. And I know firsthand that pilots from Su-17 to Su-24 were very reluctantly retrained. And he talked with aircraft.
But for conflicts like the Syrian, it still copes well, and soon the latter will go to rest.

[doubovitski]

Quote: helmi8

In fact, the Su-24 was produced in Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In Nikolaev KVR was made. Where did Odessa come from? Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24MR are not mass-produced since 1993. With reservations, does it belong to generation 4, but is it immediately up to 4+? Oh well...

Ukram, something pluses sorry, or what? They have already covered up their entire army with pluses. From and to.

[svp67]

Well, obviously there is not enough money for everything ... and so they are "marching wide", the missile program, the renewal of the fleet, all this is very expensive. And so far, apparently they hope to get by with the purchased Turkish UAVs for conducting aerial reconnaissance

[Viktor Sergeev]

Yeah, they have a "rocket program". Ukraine has one program: while there is access to budget money, steal.

[svp67]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Yeah, they have a "rocket program".

Yeah, and we will also "shower them with hats". Not to admit that Ukraine has made great strides, either by itself or with the help of "western" or "northern" partners, in creating a class of guided missiles, both for the Ground Forces, this is the Alder missile, and for the fleet, this is the Neptune anti-ship missile, it's simple not to see a fait accompli ...

Quote: Victor Sergeev

In Ukraine, there is one program: while there is access to budget money, steal.

Nevertheless, these missiles are already there.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Grandmas sawed, that's all. What is the new aircraft in Ukraine? I am amazed at the heroism of Ukrainian pilots, they fly on what is being repaired by Ukrainians.

[svp67]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

I am amazed at the heroism of Ukrainian pilots, they fly on what is being repaired by Ukrainians.

But are you not surprised at the heroism of our pilots of planes and helicopters flying on engines assembled by Ukrainians? What stupid remarks?

[bober1982]

Quote: svp67

flying on engines assembled by Ukrainians

AL-21F, its modification AL-21FZ - all military aircraft flew on these engines, what they could assemble there, plus the entire engineering and aviation service system was completely destroyed, routine maintenance, lack of qualified repair facilities, spare parts, and much more.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Not. The engine assembled at a normal factory, accepted by our acceptance, is nothing, but the repair is not clear from which spare parts, as is done in Ukraine, this is another.

[VO3A]

They fly only on paper ... To get jet and length of service, a year or two, in the Sumerian Air Force you need to fly, as much as 20 hours a year ... For this, most of the pilots who were not included in the instructor group were taken 2 times at the training camp a year on L-39 for 10 hours with prescripts more .... The rest of the year they fly only on foot .... A group of instructors was formed from the management team and had to quickly pull up these "teapots if necessary "... The instructors had to fly for 20 hours on combat aircraft ... with prescripts too ... and on paper ...

[Ham]

all spent on funderwafle called neptune?
jet aviation is an expensive archi business - not affordable for all agrarian superpowers

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Only 30 mln.

Not much )). Apparently they did not really need a scout)).

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Not much )). Apparently they did not really need a scout)).

Yes, the fact of the matter is that it is very necessary ... it is not in vain that the American UAVs have been directly "licking" the Donbass region for a long time, but that recently either they ran out of fuel or went to service ...

[Sancho_SP]

And why should Ukraine (and not Ukraine) even the Su24 MP? This is a very specific intelligence officer, whose functions today are performed by drones.

[Nepoymikto.]

Funny, by God. Where are you to new aircraft, the old ones would be repaired or new "slightly used" bought. Oh, no money?

[Africaner79]

Why don’t they write off all this good? and do not buy the miracle of drones and f-35?

[TermNachTer]

The residents of Odessa have already gorgeously repaired the MiG-21 to the Croats, they could not even take off))) but you will shake the money out of Odessa crooks. I think that with these "dryers", it will be somewhere the same.

[ermak124.0]

MRAshniki and Dalniki, the second plane in the photo is not Tu22m (2,3)?

[tarakanovaleksei]

And also, it will be invisible to radars, it will be capable of teleportation, as well as make cotton candy, soda and wash clothes.