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Underfunded: Ukraine has stopped work on upgrading the Su-24MR

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"Odessa aviation the plant will continue to work on the creation of a modernized version of the Su-24MR front-line bomber only after resuming funding for the project.


In May this year, the Odessa-based Dumskaya publication announced the cessation of funding for the development of a modernized version of the Su-24MR. The reason for this was called the unavailability of production for the full implementation of work. Currently, the enterprise is putting in order the design documentation for the aircraft, after which allegedly funding will resume and work will continue.

What kind of aircraft did Ukrainian designers decide to create on the basis of the Soviet Su-24 front-line bomber?

Underfunded: Ukraine has stopped work on upgrading the Su-24MR

According to available information, the development of a modernized version of the Su-24MR began in 2017. Together with the Odessa aircraft plant, the Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant also participated in the development. According to the plans of the designers, during the modernization, an “almost new” reconnaissance aircraft was supposed to be capable of fixing the entire front line from a distance of more than 100 km using a side-view station. The development took 4 years, i.e. in 2021, the prototype of the aircraft was to go for testing.

(...) already next year (...) a prototype reconnaissance aircraft with the ability to detect targets at the level of modern generation 4+ aircraft and transmit information (...) online

- writes the edition.

As stated at the Odessa aircraft plant itself, a total of several modernization options were developed, suggesting that the “new” Su-24MR would be able to detect ground targets from a greater distance and quickly receive and transmit intelligence information. In addition, it was assumed that navigation, communications and landing means would lead to the standards of NATO and ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization), as well as to increase control of on-board systems.

The “desire” of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to obtain a “new” Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft must be explained separately: only 30 million hryvnias were allocated for the development of the OKR, and then funding was stopped altogether. And taking into account the fact that according to the new vision of the development of the Ukrainian Air Force, reconnaissance planes are supposed to be replaced by drones, this project can be completely discontinued as unnecessary.
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  1. seti
    seti 23 June 2020 11: 21 New
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    Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.
    1. janin
      janin 23 June 2020 11: 54 New
      15
      did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "redistributed")
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 23 June 2020 12: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: janin
        did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "redistributed")

        How can one contradict the other?
        In fact, they complement each other. To "redistributed" "underfunded" is an excuse. And vice versa.
        1. tech3030
          tech3030 23 June 2020 16: 10 New
          +1
          So maybe our scouts work there, they redraw ?! I laugh of course, but what if it’s true?
      2. Zacvasetskiy
        Zacvasetskiy 23 June 2020 15: 10 New
        +1
        Rather, the second! laughing
      3. venik
        venik 23 June 2020 18: 31 New
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        Quote: janin
        did not understand .. "underfunded"? or "redistributed")

        ========
        good So these are the words - synonyms! By the way - "reUKRADoes "sound very symptomatic ... Don't you find it?" drinks
    2. credo
      credo 23 June 2020 12: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: seti
      Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

      This is not a reason for joy.
      So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 23 June 2020 12: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: credo
        Quote: seti
        Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

        This is not a reason for joy.
        So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.

        As an example, Lithuania bought 4 boats, about the same as in Ukraine, the recovery trin. the fourth is on the organs. There are no spare parts, and they have not been produced for many years.
        As an example, 16 boats, in the form of "help", but for the loot, the disposal of which will be more expensive than the benefits of the metal. What is Soviet-made scrap metal worse than American scrap metal? If it was easier to communicate with Soviet equipment - instructions, manuals, etc. are familiar, in a familiar language, then the English version still needs .....
        There was a case in China. They transferred documents from the English to a huge port crane. And they were surprised, why did he stop working. They called manufacturers, tried to shame, and those in return, this crap had to be LUBRICATED, and you DYED. Such miracles of translation happen here.
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 23 June 2020 12: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: credo
        Quote: seti
        Let's hope that in the country 4o4 there will be no Soviet military aircraft at all .. There are no aircraft at all.

        This is not a reason for joy.
        So far, in Ukraine, the party of war will always find funds for the purchase of weapons, including to replace the Soviet one. So, the Soviet planes will not begin to buy imported from a NATO country. Bulgaria as an example please. It seems that it is not a rich country and certainly not richer than Ukraine, but it runs there for NATO standards and scooped up money for the purchase of imported military aircraft.

        For me personally, the main thing is that they do not shoot at the cities and people who remember and are proud of the Soviet past from Soviet weapons. Which do not want to be part of Western Civilization.
        Therefore, when a Su-2014 attack aircraft shot at Lugansk in 25, whose Russian-speaking pilot accepted the 2014 coup, the ideals of Bandera and the Ukrainian-speaking Western Ukraine, who are alien to the Soviet world and the Russian World, were very painful. Would the brilliant designer P. Sukhoi and his students know that a Su-25 product would bomb the center of Voroshilograd? (Lugansk)
        Therefore, no matter how absurd this may sound, I am glad if Ukraine switches to the weapons of Western Civilization. It will be more honest and even moral. Once they decided to become part of the Western World, then let them get rid of the weapons of the Soviet world.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 June 2020 12: 32 New
      +2
      The next rollback theme is the creation of a 6th generation aircraft based on the MiG19 ??? fool fool
  2. Russ
    Russ 23 June 2020 11: 23 New
    +6
    The gold reserve is dumb ....
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 23 June 2020 11: 27 New
      +3
      The yellowish-black paint is over. But this is + 1000XP.
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 23 June 2020 11: 31 New
        +2
        The yellowish-black paint is over.
        I give birth to paint enough and okay.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 23 June 2020 11: 33 New
          -1
          Then it should be shown more often on TV. Let everyone be afraid. And then, if it takes off, then at a distance no one will see or be afraid.
  3. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 23 June 2020 11: 26 New
    +1
    They are older than the Sumerians, let them fly on pterodactyls.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 23 June 2020 11: 33 New
      -1
      And they swim on trilobites.
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich
        Ravil_Asnafovich 23 June 2020 11: 37 New
        0
        We do not mind.
      2. spech
        spech 23 June 2020 12: 11 New
        0
        They definitely "swim"
  4. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 23 June 2020 11: 29 New
    +1
    So much for Odessa ,, (Hucksters. Who pays is the master.
  5. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 23 June 2020 11: 41 New
    +2
    Everything is taken there, but nothing has been done or done, but the garbage is full, it looks like a constant cut.
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 23 June 2020 12: 03 New
    +2
    The idea of ​​modernization itself was not bad, but if you decided to switch to NATO standards, then there is no point in modernizing the Su-24MR - no, it's just an empty lesson.
    Buyalyk, Kolomyia, Chortkov - at one time there were strong reconnaissance regiments that were the first to be retrained on the Su-24MR and Su-24MP.
    Everything went to dust, some non-existent NATO standards remained, obsessive and manic ideas.
  7. helmi8
    helmi8 23 June 2020 12: 09 New
    +2
    In fact, the Su-24 was produced in Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In Nikolaev KVR was made. Where did Odessa come from? Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24MR are not mass-produced since 1993. With reservations, does it belong to generation 4, but is it immediately up to 4+? Oh well...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 June 2020 12: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: helmi8
      Where did Odessa come from?

      The regular base is ordinary, they all have it there so called, not only from Odessa.
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 23 June 2020 12: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        The regular base is ordinary, they all have it there so called, not only from Odessa.

        This is clear. The trick is that Odessa did not repair the Su-24 ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 June 2020 12: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: helmi8
          Odessa did not repair the Su-24 ...

          What is there to be surprised, the Lvov rembase on the MiG-29MU2 hangs the X-29T, everyone can, jack of all trades.
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 23 June 2020 12: 24 New
      -7
      .
      It is reserved for generation 4.

      You did not guess with reservations to generation 3 applies... This aircraft was a carrier of nuclear weapons, so it survived ... In Syria, it is used only thanks to the installation (only a part of the Su-24M has been finalized), the SVP-24 Hephaestus system ... This is without taking into account complete inefficiency and high costs for the preparation of this "ancient trash" ... And even in the absence of enemy air defense and air forces ... An old blacksmith hammer is used to hammer nails .. And they dragged IT into Syria .... And at the same time they say about some achievements ... And then they are offended when they laugh at us ...
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 23 June 2020 12: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: VO3A
        You didn’t guess, it refers to generation 3 with reservations

        "Generation" 4 "
        Tu-22M, Tu-160, B-1, FB-111, with reservations - Su-24. "
        http://vremena.takie.org/news/pokolenija_bombardirovshhikov_kak_okazalos_prodolzhenie/2013-03-22-46
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 23 June 2020 12: 31 New
          -2
          I served this plane for 4 years, and explored all its possibilities ... And you poke the opinion of "dummies" ... received from dubious advertising sources and made by ignoramuses who never served this plane ...
          1. helmi8
            helmi8 23 June 2020 15: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: VO3A
            And you poke me the opinion of "dummies"

            Well, if for you the opinion of an employee of GKNPTs im. Khrunicheva. SV Aleksandrov - this is the opinion of the "teapot", then of course.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 23 June 2020 15: 39 New
              -1
              He is an interested person and is engaged in advertising, ..and his memories of an elderly person too .. It's in a soft form, but in general it is called differently ... SU-24 after even Su-17M3 is a stone age in terms of service ... and reliability ... You would know how his technicians are called ...
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 23 June 2020 16: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: VO3A
                You would know what his techniques are called ...

                And, as they say, interested.
          2. bayard
            bayard 23 June 2020 18: 18 New
            0
            Su-24 is a "3" + (like the MiG-23, MiG-27). But as a tactical bomber he copes to this day. Especially with Hephaestus.
            But the Kurdamir aviation technicians complained to me, after the rearmament from Su-17 to Su-24, that in one flight, up to 5 (FIVE) avionics failures. Neither aircraft technicians nor pilots loved him ... at least at the turn of the 80s and 90s. Very difficult to maintain, a great time for inter-flight training.
            But he has not yet lost his good. And so it will be until the complete rearmament of the Su-34.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 23 June 2020 21: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: bayard
              But Kurdamir aviation technicians complained to me, after re-equipment from Su-17 to Su-24

              The Kurdamir regiment was retrained very late on the Su-24, only in 1989, the planes were old, they never flew on EMs. About the same time, pogroms started in their garrison. It was not before flights.
              On paper, the regiment was more than respected (of the orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov), in fact, the regiment was actually not combat ready, as of 1989. Of course, the level of the regiment is weak.

              Quote: bayard
              Neither aircraft nor pilots loved him ... at least at the turn of the 80s and 90s

              At the turn of the 80-90s, the Su-24 was brought to perfection, and literally, those who did not really operate it had no time to fall in love with this aircraft. When in 1989 the ISA was finished off, retraining the last remnants of the regiments from Su-17 to Su-24 - Lutsk, Ovruch, Kurdamir, Siverskaya, Smuravy, the level of these regiments on the Su-24 was low, since retraining to a new plane, especially the transition to bomber aviation is a complex process, plus the collapse of the Union.
              1. bayard
                bayard 23 June 2020 22: 57 New
                +1
                Yes, I remember those events - I served there. When the Kurdamir Regiment was our unit of RTV air defense. That conversation with his aircraft took place at the end of 1990. And when in 1989 they began to rearm it on the Su-24, then about seven, if not ten report pilots wrote - the plane was then notorious, in conversations we constantly talked about 17 dead test pilots on it ... Although those pilots died mostly on a completely different Su-24 - with a triangular wing and four vertical thrust engines ... But pilots are superstitious people. And they heard about the capriciousness of this bird.
                And at the turn of the 80s - 90s yes, they brought him to mind. It became quite a decent plane.
                But the Su-17 was always talked with warm sadness ...
                And the Union then bursting at the seams ... especially in Azerbaijan.

                By the way, the aircraft of the Kurdamir Regiment in January 1990 were involved in the interception of ships of the so-called. the "oil flotilla" that the coupists tried to steal into Iran ... But there was continuous low cloud cover (no targets were found). True, the roar of the engines of the intruders was scared of order, they immediately turned back and were taken under control of the Soviet paratroopers.
                It was fun time - the whole sky was in helicopters ... In one day, 17 helicopter regiments were transferred to Azerbaijan from all over the Union (42 to 46 helicopters in each - personally provided their wiring) ... And then they flocked to and fro. here - the Armenian population and the transfer of troops were evacuated ... And we also had our own Mi-24 squadron - in the air defense division.
                Youth ... smile
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 24 June 2020 01: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bayard
                  But the Su-17 was always talked with warm sadness ...

                  Su-17 is the dream of every IBA-shnik, and it was hard to switch from a fighter-bomber to a real bomber, even from the point of view of psychology. But, time passed, and the guys, the former Ibashniki, calmed down, especially since the Su-24 to run away, not to hide, he covered everyone, or almost everyone. There were only ones who ran from retraining to a plane in all Air Armies and Districts, just to avoid the plane, but they also got their Su-24s. As a result, the plane was very much loved among them, albeit by force.
                  Quote: bayard
                  And the Union then bursting at the seams ... especially in Azerbaijan.

                  Do not envy, the massacre began.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 24 June 2020 06: 42 New
                    +2
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Do not envy, the massacre began.

                    What was, was. We hid the local Armenians in our military units, and then evacuated to the north. And while their families were not sent to evacuation, they left for service ... with alarm. But as sent, the hands were untied. That rebellion of 1990 was quickly suppressed - the last manifestation of the organized force of the Great Army of the Great State ... And the locals thanked us for putting things in order so quickly and decisively, saying "if these shaitans appear again, we ourselves will go to the military enlistment office to ask for weapons." ..
                    And when the Union died, I was no longer there ...
              2. VO3A
                VO3A 24 June 2020 11: 28 New
                +1
                When in 1989 they finished off the ISA, retraining the last remnants of regiments from Su-17 to Su-24

                Dear bober1982, I want to explain to you the reasons for such a transition .... Without going into details, by agreement with the Americans, which the stupid Soviet generals signed in the regiment, there could be only 30 nuclear weapons carriers, such as the Su-24 .... We all have there were 40 planes on the shelves ... The process of disaggregation began, and many had to switch to the new old Su-24 | | ... To quickly do this, the IBA regiments on the Su-17 M2, M3 took as a basis ... Which - then another fool-general considered the aircraft obsolete .... It was even more interesting with the Naval Aviation ... We almost didn’t have it, from the point of view of the nuclear weapons carriers, and here, some of the planes were transferred from the Air Force to the Navy formally, they changed the form, the banners changed ... And it turned out sailors in the steppes of Kazakhstan (in a joke - submariners) ... This shuffle was caused by stupid, or rather stupid, signatories of strategic offensive arms by the generals and leaders of the USSR ... A lot of money was spent, fate was broken, destroyed class aircraft only because of tourism top management with stav, including the Army. USSR ... If the Army had not collapsed through the fault of venal and stupid generals, and without exception, the USSR could have been saved .... The army collapsed earlier .... This collapse was recorded at the All-Army Conference of Representatives of Officer Assemblies at the end of 1988 in Moscow , where it turned out that the general of the USSR was completely divorced from the Armed Forces and decomposed and mired in corruption completely .... I was there ....
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 24 June 2020 11: 35 New
                  0
                  I agree with you that everything was not done thoughtfully, but these were perestroika times, there was an imitation of work that ....
                  Quote: VO3A
                  Big money was spent, destinies were broken, the class of planes was destroyed only because of

                  The regiments were enlarged, then disaggregated, dispersed, re-formed and the like. The output is a complete zilch, the consequences are known.
            2. VO3A
              VO3A 24 June 2020 00: 15 New
              0
              This is a front-line bomber ... With great preparation time, and low reliability, not economical and with poor performance characteristics, it took off with 2 tanks and one rocket or 4 sn-ki ....
              1. bayard
                bayard 24 June 2020 00: 51 New
                0
                Yes, I know that. And I know firsthand that pilots from Su-17 to Su-24 were very reluctantly retrained. And he talked with aircraft.
                But for conflicts like the Syrian, it still copes well, and soon the latter will go to rest.
    3. doubovitski
      doubovitski 23 June 2020 12: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: helmi8
      In fact, the Su-24 was produced in Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In Nikolaev KVR was made. Where did Odessa come from? Su-24, Su-24M, Su-24MR are not mass-produced since 1993. With reservations, does it belong to generation 4, but is it immediately up to 4+? Oh well...

      Ukram, something pluses sorry, or what? They have already covered up their entire army with pluses. From and to.
  8. svp67
    svp67 23 June 2020 12: 16 New
    +1
    Well, obviously there’s not enough money for all ... and so they’re striding widely, the missile program, updating the fleet, all this is very costly. And for now, apparently hoping to get by with purchased Turkish UAVs for conducting reconnaissance
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 23 June 2020 12: 35 New
      +1
      Yeah, their "missile program." In Ukraine, there is one program: while there is access to budget money, steal.
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 June 2020 13: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Yeah, their "missile program."

        Yeah, and we’ll throw their caps on them. Not to admit that Ukraine has made great progress, either with the help of the "western" or "northern" partners, in creating a class of guided missiles, both for the Ground Forces, this is the Alder missile, and for the fleet, this is Neptune anti-ship missile, it’s just not to see a fait accompli ...
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        In Ukraine, there is one program: while there is access to budget money, steal.

        Nevertheless, these missiles are already there.
  9. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 June 2020 12: 34 New
    0
    Grandmas sawed, that's all. What is the new aircraft in Ukraine? I am amazed at the heroism of Ukrainian pilots, they fly on what is being repaired by Ukrainians.
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 June 2020 13: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      I am amazed at the heroism of Ukrainian pilots, they fly on what is being repaired by Ukrainians.

      But are you not surprised at the heroism of our pilots of planes and helicopters flying on engines assembled by Ukrainians? What stupid remarks?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 23 June 2020 13: 41 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        flying on engines assembled by Ukrainians

        AL-21F, its modification AL-21FZ - all military aircraft flew on these engines, what they could assemble there, plus the entire engineering and aviation service system was completely destroyed, routine maintenance, lack of qualified repair facilities, spare parts, and much more.
      2. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 24 June 2020 07: 37 New
        +1
        Not. The engine assembled at a normal factory, accepted by our acceptance, is nothing, but the repair is not clear from which spare parts, as is done in Ukraine, this is another.
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 24 June 2020 11: 47 New
      0
      They fly only on paper .... In order to get jet and length of service, a year for two, you need to fly into the Sumerian Air Force, already, 20 hours a year .... For this, most pilots who did not get into the instructor group took 2 times at the training camps per year on L-39 for 10 hours with preplicates still .... The rest of the time in the year they only fly in flight .... The group of instructors was formed from the management team and should, if necessary, quickly pull up these "dummies" "... Instructors should have been flying for 20 hours on combat aircraft ..... with preplications too .... and on paper ...
  10. Ham
    Ham 23 June 2020 12: 44 New
    +1
    all spent on funderwafle called neptune?
    jet aviation is an expensive archi business - not affordable for all agrarian superpowers
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 June 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    Only 30 mln.


    Not much )). Apparently they did not really need a scout)).
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 June 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Not much )). Apparently they did not really need a scout)).

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that we really need it ... it’s not for nothing that the American UAVs directly “licked” the Donbass area for a long time, but that they have either run out of fuel or gone to service ...
  12. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 23 June 2020 13: 15 New
    0
    And why should Ukraine (and not Ukraine) even the Su24 MP? This is a very specific intelligence officer, whose functions today are performed by drones.
  13. Nepoymikto.
    Nepoymikto. 23 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +1
    Funny, by golly. Where you get to the new planes, the old ones would be repaired or bought new "slightly used". Oh no money?
  14. Africaner79
    Africaner79 23 June 2020 15: 31 New
    0
    Why don’t they write off all this good? and do not buy the miracle of drones and f-35?
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 June 2020 18: 33 New
    +1
    Odessans have gorgeously repaired the MiG-21 Croats, they couldn’t even fly up))) but you’ll shake the hell out of Odessa crooks. I think that with these "dryers", it will be somewhere the same.
  16. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 24 June 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    MRAshniki and Dalniki, the second plane in the photo is not Tu22m (2,3)?
  17. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 24 June 2020 21: 49 New
    0
    And also, it will be invisible to radars, it will be capable of teleportation, as well as make cotton candy, soda and wash clothes.