Penalty field of miracles. Pay always, pay everywhere


Fine everyone, fine everyone



As is known, Russia was seriously quarantined only near Easter, although non-working days were announced later. And not right away, like the owner who really felt sorry for his dog. Nobody has ever introduced any emergency or emergency, saving not only billions, but trillions for the treasury. The matter was limited to some slurred high-alert regime, which was also introduced by each governor - as he wanted and when he wanted.

As a result, for the general public everything turned into a traditional Russian “maybe it will carry it through”, and for those who do not consider themselves to be a rogue, they do not give a damn. It seems like "it does not concern us." The vast majority of real quarantine violations came from the so-called cream of society. There are refusals from two-week quarantine, and concealment of information about infections, and escapes from clinics, and other little things.

However, many Russians still continue to believe that we still have to say thanks to the authorities for extremely severe restrictions. For fines and jail time in the jail, you probably also need to say thank you without stopping. Most of the Russian electorate, as has been shown by street monitoring data more than once, demonstrated law-abiding behavior.

Penalty field of miracles. Pay always, pay everywhere

However, such law-abiding is not for long. Just three months, no more. And one cannot but admit the obvious. The main and most fundamental decision during self-isolation and quarantine, which no one dared to directly voice, was a complete carte blanche for repressive measures. Apparently, the fact that they did not affect the passive majority does not change much in essence.

Another thing is that with various kinds of internal sanctions, including with penalties, the situation as a result was no better and no worse than with any other legal innovation in Russia. The more stupid and meaningless directions come down to us from above, the more chances are that below nobody will seriously think to execute them.

No, for the sake of showing off, for reporting upstairs, or for awards or prizes - this is please, but on the case - dismiss. The showcase in this sense, of course, was Moscow. There, the mayor’s measures were much tougher than anywhere else, and Mr. Sobyanin himself, apparently, did not suddenly take off to the high post of the head of the impromptu All-Russian anti-virus headquarters.

The Moscow mayor, albeit not by rank, but immediately gave birth to a notorious decree of March 5. He endowed anyone with such powers that you can only envy. But how could it be otherwise, because according to the law the high-alert regime itself should not apply to people, especially healthy ones, but exclusively to representatives of the authorities.

But this, you see, for such a successful regional leader, as Sergei Semyonovich, is somehow shallow. And therefore, by the same decree, ordinary duties were assigned to ordinary people, from which he should at least climb the wall. For his sake, the people, good, of course. But with the rights it was already completely in any way: not only was it just scary to move, it was better not to stutter about any claims, let alone protests.

The capital has become not just a showcase, but a sort of training ground on which the most diverse methods of influencing the masses have been tested. In the early days of the "tough measures" - patrols, like from the cruiser Aurora, at least three strong guys. Cars with loudspeakers calling not to leave the house, a little later - watering machines for disinfection, from which you expect the crowds to disperse.

I repeat my thesis from the first review (“The plan for fines. Penalties according to plan ”): an unofficial go-ahead was given to everyone, from store guards to judges, up to respected members of the Supreme and Constitutional. About who and how used this go-ahead and what the same penalties cost, will be described in the final review.

What all turned out in the end, will have to figure it out for a very long time. Directly, the majority of the population did not dare to seriously rip off. Almost nowhere, until the present confrontation came only in Ossetia. Indirect losses due to the destruction of the business, sharply increased unemployment and other reasons are not perceived so hard, but the negative from them will be enough for another years to come.

Center of gravity


I don’t dare to judge how much this was comprehended or somehow stimulated, but law enforcement officers correctly perceived the “go-ahead” from above and in another sense. In addition to random and, in fact, unsystematic and useless in terms of ensuring the safety and health of the population, visits to the general public, a real wave of detentions in the ranks of the opposition went.

Almost any action, which, if desired, could be regarded as a “call of power”, immediately brought up some kind of “coronavirus” article. It is by no means accidental that such characters as the Trans-Baikal blogger Lyokha Kochegar or political scientist Nikolai Platoshkin, who only called for hanging red flags on Lenin's birthday, fell under the steamroller of the Russian law enforcement system precisely on the days of self-isolation.


A kind of litmus test in relations between the government and the public, at the beginning and at the end of quarantine, I would call two events, separated by a couple of months, at the Bulgakov Patriarch's Pond in the capital. When citizen Vorobyov was detained on the shore with the characteristic name Jesus, from whom the little dog ran very far away at the wrong time, many were ready to take it with humor. But it would not be so sad, although Vorobyov, as the media write, still got off easily.

But when, under the thunder of fanfare, in connection with the first stage of lifting the quarantine on the Patrick, a noisy party suddenly gathered at night and the motorcycles were parked almost directly in the pond, it was no laughing matter. My cousin, who appeared on Mayakovka that day, heard the rumble of speakers from the other side of the Garden Ring.

Local residents continuously called 102, but could not get the party to disperse. And only when the notorious Sergei Mitrokhin, the current leader of the Yabloko party, came to the cult place, did those who should appear appear on the Patriarchs. I have no doubt that the police most wanted to detain Mitrokhin, but in the end I had to do something just with the rambling golden youth.

By the way, few paid attention to the fact that even the highest authorities, that is, performers of the main roles, at the height of quarantine behaved according to all the rules of the detective genre. Evil investigators were definitely played by the capital’s mayor and chief doctor of all Russia with the simple name of Popov.

The President and the Prime Minister got more winning positive roles, and often they were happy to give the opportunity to solo with good the news to vice-premier Golikova or someone lower in rank.

As a spice to words and decisions, there have always been numbers. Moreover, until mid-May it was primarily data on the number of cases and the number of deaths, and the positive about how many were cured and discharged from hospitals had to be searched. But now even the running line on TV and Internet search engines is limited mainly by positive and general figures. And you have to look already negative.

When the penalty terror came to naught


Is it worth recalling that everything has changed as soon as the head of state has the courage to name the exact date of the Victory Parade - June 24. Voting on amendments to the Constitution, almost simultaneously scheduled for July 1, only added to the picture of a brighter future.

But even more spectacular was the quick way out of Moscow’s self-conclusion - all at once. Muscovites did not have time to figure out the anecdotal schedule of walks, scrupulously drawn up by the assiduous assistants of Mayor Sobyanin, when they simply fused this schedule with a stroke of the president’s pen.


Some restrictions, of course, have remained valid until now, masked us can be forced to walk almost next spring, but this is not the main thing. The spirit of freedom hovers over the capital. By and large, he did not leave the rest of Russia, in spite of all the efforts of valiant law enforcement officers. It seems that the pandemic did not teach them anything else but to "drag and not let go."

But the feeling that many of our "cops" and how they are there, who don’t bother too much with the depth of legal knowledge, doesn’t leave me, during the days of the pandemic and quarantine, it simply blew the roof. From permissiveness that fell on them somehow suddenly and immediately. When it turned out that everything that was applicable only to especially dangerous and scumbags was now allowed to apply to everyone. Though to old people and children.

Here and for examples you do not have to go far, because the media are literally crowded with them. What is at least an attempt, and almost a success, to drive a 75-year-old old woman into a psychiatric hospital, who dared to get out of the house not to the pharmacy or to the store, but behind the grocery set promised by the local authorities. Or arrest, and in front of two crying babies, their father, who was not even allowed to reach his mother.

But statistics are already talking about how quickly everything began to return to a semblance of a normal channel. In the first half of June, the number of detentions, the number of fines and unlawful court decisions decreased significantly compared to April and early May. But at the end of May, the indicators were only slightly higher, but the reasons here were completely different.

The whole point here is in the sense of the actions of those who were assigned to vigilantly watch and observe quarantine. The notorious meaning in Russia under any government, even Soviet, as you know, meant only one thing - money. Just in time for the third decade of May, it turned out that there was no sense in excessive zeal.

Everyone knows how the heroic doctors were thrown: after all, it was announced by Vladimir Vladimirovich himself. And the majority only guesses that they tried to “throw” law enforcement officers in the same way. And very many people do not want to believe in this at all.

But as soon as the team from the Kremlin slightly “let go”, there were a lot of people who diminished their own agility in response. In addition, the go-ahead for the subject not to go too far obviously went, otherwise people may not vote like that. But this is generally a separate issue.

And yet, the feeling of own omnipotence, which penetrated the brains of thousands of Russian security officials and even thousands of judges, is a very dangerous syndrome, in my opinion, very dangerous also by how it quickly ended. It is hardly worth reminding here who and what needs to be forced to do so that his forehead is broken, but this, alas, is not a matter of stupidity.

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  1. Woodman 25 June 2020 10: 15 New
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    Uh ... Is this another revelation of a person who does not believe in coronovirus?
    say thank you to the authorities for extremely severe restrictions
    This is never a harsh measure. They would become hardened if the authorities really began to demand their strict observance. And then, not a few would be fined, but thousands of people ... And now this is more and more hope for the power of conviction and the consciousness of citizens themselves.
    1. NEOZ 25 June 2020 11: 41 New
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      This is never a harsh measure.

      a cyber army of a neighboring country in action !!!
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    2. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 13: 12 New
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      This is never a harsh measure. They would become hardened if the authorities really began to demand strict compliance



      The most dangerous criminals are caught, now you can sleep peacefully.

      The guy was simply twisted, like some kind of drug addict, just because he did not have a mask. Not tough measures, never ...
      1. Woodman 25 June 2020 13: 25 New
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        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Guy just twisted

        They “twisted” the guy after refusing to obey the requirements of the police officers who are on duty. That is to be precise. Is there a video at least a couple of minutes before the arrival of the police, where does this guy cover his face with a napkin? Or did he pull it out only when he saw the police? And you yourself saw something like that? Or are all your arguments videos from YouTube?
        1. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 13: 45 New
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          And on what grounds does the cop require a guy to get out of transport? Ahh, no mask. But wait, because wearing a mask is advisory, i.e., a person is not obliged to wear it!
          Purely this, I did not see people being twisted without masks, but I just saw how they simply planted them in a box. And more than once. In Devyatkino, Lesnaya, Nevsky and Avtovo.

          And yes, the cops themselves do not always wear masks, while others are fined.
          1. Woodman 25 June 2020 13: 56 New
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            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            wearing a mask is advisory

            The recommendatory or mandatory nature of wearing ind. protection - it depends on the region. Did not know? To wear or not to wear masks depends on the location of citizens. Didn’t know either? And it was in Tatarstan (a clip, judging by YouTube from there) that the presence of citizens without masks in public transport was prohibited. Find this decision is not at all difficult.
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            And yes, the cops themselves don’t always wear masks,

            AND? On this basis, do you consider it appropriate for you to endanger the health of others?
            1. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 14: 12 New
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              The recommendatory or mandatory nature of wearing ind. protection - it depends on the region. Did not know? To wear or not to wear masks depends on the location of citizens. Didn’t know either? And it was in Tatarstan (a clip, judging by YouTube from there) that the presence of citizens without masks in public transport was prohibited. Find this decision is not at all difficult.

              Good. The city or the cops, did they give the guy PPE?

              AND? On this basis, do you consider it appropriate for you to endanger the health of others?

              You know, how much Corona-chan is already walking, but neither I, nor my friends or acquaintances didn’t get sick, but didn’t even see those who were sick. And I have a wide gross communication.
              I don’t see anything wrong with a person without a mask. Moreover, in Russian realities, masseurs are the most dangerous, because they wear one mask by no means for several hours, but for months until it falls apart. How many bacteria and viruses accumulate in this mask, only Cthulhu knows.
              It's just that the government now makes money on people, on their trust. Crown-chan, fearfulness, nada to buy masks, and if you can’t buy it, twist it and put it in a monkey.
              I put on a mask only on a trip to Tape or in the metro, because without it they simply won’t let me in (and they’ll still be fined in the metro). And so, I do not use it at all, but I have not become infected.
              1. Woodman 25 June 2020 14: 27 New
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                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                Good. The city or the cops, did they give the guy PPE?

                Those. you admit uh ... some kind of inconsistency of your previous arguments? Did the guy go somewhere for PPE? Most likely I didn’t even try. Now, by his own example, at the moment when the employer decided to partially bring us to work, at the height of self-isolation, the employer provided us with protective equipment, and two orders were issued. The first - we are obliged to use these funds in the process of work, the second - the employer is obliged to provide us with these funds. No references to city or federal authorities. Just provided us with the opportunity to work.
                Further. I have repeatedly heard from directors and employees of stores that people buy masks, antiseptics, gloves for the amount of several thousand rubles at once. That is, the same employers who care, if not about their employees, then at least about the possibility of continuing the work of their organization.
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                not that they themselves did not fall ill, but did not even see those who fell ill. And I have a wide gross communication.

                And among my relatives there are four direct contacts, and I have already contacted them. Well, their infection was not confirmed. And their friends in hospitals of varying severity. And yes, I know these people too. Just a long time did not communicate with them.
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                I put on a mask only on a trip to the Tape

                Well, I'm on public transport and shopping. Apart from those moments when you need to wear it at work. Agree, it’s not so difficult.
                1. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 15: 11 New
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                  Those. you admit uh ... some kind of inconsistency of your previous arguments?

                  So what? I can admit my mistakes, unlike most. I rely primarily on Peter. All the same, we are the capital, everyone should be equal to us, but it’s like ...

                  Did the guy go somewhere for PPE?

                  Why should he apply? The authorities introduced such a topic, so let them distribute. This is not for him, but for the authorities.
                  Most likely I didn’t even try.

                  And should not have.

                  Now, by his own example, at the moment when the employer decided to partially bring us to work, at the height of self-isolation, the employer provided us with protective equipment, and two orders were issued. The first - we are obliged to use these funds in the process of work, the second - the employer is obliged to provide us with these funds. No references to city or federal authorities. Just provided us with the opportunity to work.

                  Yes, someone provides their employees, and someone does not.
                  My neighbor works at Rosatom TsIPK, so they provide him. But they don’t provide me with arable land, but they don’t even demand that I wear it and will not be fined.
                  Here to whom and how lucky.
                  But in fairness, I work for a commercial company, and Rosatom is already a state. office.

                  Further. I have repeatedly heard from directors and employees of stores that people buy masks, antiseptics, gloves for the amount of several thousand rubles at once.

                  There are some, I myself saw a woman of about 50 years old bought x4 packs of masks for 20 pieces in Dixie (they are selling directly at the box office).

                  That is, the same employers who care, if not about their employees, then at least about the possibility of continuing the work of their organization

                  Spending your money on the wishes of others. Commendable, but stupid.

                  Well, their infection was not confirmed. And their friends in hospitals of varying severity. And yes, I know these people too. Just a long time did not communicate with them.


                  Yes, well, that was not confirmed. But still - it was not confirmed.

                  Well, I'm on public transport and shopping. Apart from those moments when you need to wear it at work. Agree, it’s not so difficult.


                  Well, actually there is discomfort. The mask is harder to breathe, my horizons are reduced (I can’t see anything under my feet).
                  Wearing a mask is not difficult, it is difficult to walk in it. The metro is such a test, especially in the mornings when the carriage is like a sprat in a bank. Yes, and in such a heat, not that it became more convenient to wear it.
                  But here it’s still playing what I basically don’t like when something is on the head, arms or legs. I can’t even wear jewelry or watches. Wild discomfort.
                  1. Woodman 25 June 2020 15: 26 New
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                    Why should he apply?
                    Well, if he himself is not able to provide himself with remedies, then he probably should somehow let the authorities know about it, right?
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                    But they don’t provide me with arable land, but they don’t even demand that I wear it and will not be fined.

                    I remember when I worked "on arable land", as a machine operator, in the sense, contact with colleagues was minimal - in workshops or during lunch in the fields. If your situation is approximately the same, then there’s nothing to fine you with.
                    Quote: Jack O'Neill
                    But still - it was not confirmed.

                    Not confirmed at the contact. Those with whom they contacted the diagnosis is confirmed. And again, those people who have a confirmed diagnosis, I also know.

                    Quote: Jack O'Neill
                    Well, actually there is discomfort

                    I do not deny it. But still I consider these measures justified.
                    1. Woodman 25 June 2020 15: 38 New
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                      Commendable, but stupid.

                      I can not agree with the statement that caring for your employees is stupid.
                      1. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 21: 56 New
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                        I can not agree with the statement that caring for your employees is stupid.

                        But he spends his money, right? Well, or as an option, later subtracts from the RFP.
                    2. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 15: 56 New
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                      Well, if he himself is not able to provide himself with remedies, then he probably should somehow let the authorities know about it, right?

                      The authorities should provide his personal protective equipment, and not he should look for a way to get them for free. But instead of arrest, the cop could give him a mask and wish him a good day.
                      It’s not such a problem to distribute masks for posts and patrols and distribute them, not fines.
                      I saw a brow without a mask, gave a mask and norms. Naturally, at the expense of the state, and not at the expense of the employee.
                      Yes, even if there is money for a mask, then you can’t always buy it in the same pharmacy.

                      And after all, this is not a seller of vegetables, but the one who came up with these rules.

                      I remember when I worked "on arable land", as a machine operator, in the sense, contact with colleagues was minimal - in workshops or during lunch in the fields. If your situation is approximately the same, then there’s nothing to fine you with.

                      In fact - yes, communication exclusively in the working environment, with company employees.

                      Not confirmed at the contact. Those with whom they contacted the diagnosis is confirmed. And again, those people who have a confirmed diagnosis, I also know.

                      Well, there is only one thing to wish for recovery!

                      I do not deny it. But still I consider these measures justified.

                      Well, why then in the theater then they do not force masks to wear? Below I threw an example with Malysheva and a student from Novosibirsk.
                      But the theater will turn into hell because of only one infected. One sneeze and all, consider the attack.
                      1. Woodman 25 June 2020 16: 09 New
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                        Quote: Jack O'Neill
                        Well, why then in the theater then they do not force masks to wear? Below I threw an example with Malysheva and a student from Novosibirsk.

                        In this case, I would fine everyone. And first of all the organizers. This is if you are interested in my opinion.
                        Quote: Jack O'Neill
                        I saw a brow without a mask, gave a mask and norms.

                        With all due respect, the police saw him where he should not be without a mask. First of all, he endangered the health of others. You can say a lot of what and who owes and to whom, but this does not cancel the fact of violation. So you must first eliminate the threat to others, fine the offender, and only then give out a free mask. In my opinion it is logical. Moreover, the guy is young, healthy, and could walk to work on foot in such a situation. I often go. 6,5 km one way. I use public transport when time is running out. And nothing like that ... We even started to like these walks.
                        And further. Many shops have antiseptics, and they give out masks for visitors, but still there are people who, because of the mask, will bring sellers to tears. But in the presence of the police for some reason, all their eloquence disappears, but masks immediately appear on their faces. Did not notice such cases?
                      2. Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 22: 02 New
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                        In this case, I would fine everyone. And first of all the organizers. This is if you are interested in my opinion.

                        Well, everything should be fair. It is not Malyshev who is fined, then Malyshev must be fined.


                        With all due respect, the police saw him where he should not be without a mask.


                        You can say a lot of what and who owes and to whom, but this does not cancel the fact of violation.

                        The fact was, yes.

                        So, you must first eliminate the threat to others, fine the offender, and only then issue a free mask

                        You can issue a mask without a fine.

                        Moreover, the guy is young, healthy, and could walk to work on foot in such a situation.

                        Well, it is not known where and where he was going. Maybe he was driving arable land from the other end of the city

                        And further. Many shops have antiseptics, and they give out masks for visitors, but still there are people who, because of the mask, will bring sellers to tears ..

                        Antiseptics are, but masks do not give out, at least in St. Petersburg.

                        But in the presence of the police for some reason, all their eloquence disappears, but masks immediately appear on their faces. Did not notice such cases?

                        On YouTube, there are enough vidos, where even without a mask in the store all the rules.
                      3. Whowhy 26 June 2020 11: 51 New
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                        In fact, the mask is in no way intended to protect others, since even with breathing more than 80% of viruses and microbes pass through it - read the WHO research and listen to the opinion of our virologists (the same Zvereva on YouTube). The mask is designed to protect yourself, your beloved, and then only from accidental contact. The mask does not protect against direct contact with the diseased from the word “in general”. Thus, to fine people for the lack of a mask is, in its purest form, obscurantism. request
                2. UEPE 26 June 2020 01: 42 New
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                  I can’t wear anything extra on the body.
        2. Clear 25 June 2020 17: 56 New
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          I ... just put in a treasure chest. And more than once. In Devyatkino, Lesnaya, Nevsky and Avtovo.
          And how does your liver stand it? belay
    3. Viktor Sergeev 25 June 2020 16: 25 New
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      "The guy was just twisted like some kind of drug addict, just because he didn't have a mask. Not tough measures, not once."
      You still say that he is a Negro in his soul, and the police are racists. There is a refusal to obey the police. I personally don’t wear a mask, but I keep it handy, this one got caught and tried to get out with a napkin. Formally, he is right, only I didn’t understand, did he get a napkin when he was already asleep or sat all the time like that? Video to the studio.
    4. pereselenec 26 June 2020 09: 10 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      The most dangerous criminals are caught, now you can sleep peacefully.

      The guy was simply twisted, like some kind of drug addict, just because he did not have a mask.


      Guys without masks, children and retirees are easy and safe to fight. And if you try to detain the real criminals, then you can catch the olive tree.
      1. Whowhy 26 June 2020 11: 54 New
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        In, by the way - a very interesting topic. And how are things with the virus in prisons? What is there with self-isolation?
        1. Victorio 26 June 2020 12: 11 New
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          In, by the way - a very interesting topic. And how are things with the virus in prisons? What is there with self-isolation?

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          probably so, they pass tests, are healthy and have no contacts with the outside world, then everything goes as it should. and the identified patients in the hospital. infection only from without can come.
    5. Victorio 26 June 2020 11: 54 New
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      The guy was simply twisted, like some kind of drug addict, just because he did not have a mask. Not tough measures, never ...

      ===
      blah blah blah, the authorities are in a mess, the police are not like that. why the guy without a mask, and got into public transport, and why drove let him in? all other consequences with all that it implies.
    6. Observer2014 28 June 2020 00: 58 New
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      This is never a harsh measure. They would become hardened if the authorities really began to demand strict compliance



      The most dangerous criminals are caught, now you can sleep peacefully.

      The guy was simply twisted, like some kind of drug addict, just because he did not have a mask. Not tough measures, never ...

      laughingIf a man fool .That is a long time. They earned the Darwin Prize honestly! laughing
      In my city it was not like that. Fishermen chased along empty beaches. yes But to prevent this from happening. Block posts with machine guns and machine guns were laughing They created artificial traffic jams. Yes it was. In short, the entire leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on a medal! They honestly earned a reward. wassat
      1. Observer2014 28 June 2020 01: 41 New
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        laughing wassat What nonsense. "We looked dedenki. Empty on the beach. There is nobody" to tears of mlyn! wassat
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          But was it possible to dig a hole? wassat Did the excavator work on its own? On the remote control. What was it all about? "Self-isolation" wassat Where is the logic?
  2. Krasnoyarsk 25 June 2020 14: 26 New
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    Uh ... This is another revelation of a person who does not believe in coronovirus

    In the country, someone is always dissatisfied with something.
    Someone is dissatisfied with the virus, someone is using methods to combat it. Someone does not know how to deal with him, but they know that they are fighting wrong.
    It’s wrong, not because it’s wrong, but because it does not coincide with the opinion of the critic, condemning the action today, and the inaction yesterday and tomorrow, of the authorities.
    And we are forced to read smart articles aimed at - but talk?
    It is clear that the actions of the authorities are always aimed at making the people as worse as possible. Who is DOUBLE at this? laughing
  • Terenin 25 June 2020 10: 21 New
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    Good morning Lannan Shi hi
    Almost nowhere, until the present confrontation came only in Ossetia.
    So they, according to similar publications, allegedly because of the danger of the 5-G antenna, burned the tower. And when they found themselves, they ached "the feds make us a stable connection again ..."
    1. rocket757 25 June 2020 10: 27 New
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      And it doesn’t matter what and why, the main thing is that there is "popular discontent"!
    2. aglet 25 June 2020 11: 45 New
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      "so they, according to similar publications, allegedly because of the danger of the 5-G antenna, burned the tower"
      5-G is not even in Moscow yet, and even more so in Ossetia
      1. rocket757 25 June 2020 12: 25 New
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        Schaub panic, and that is precisely what happened, objective reasons are not necessary! One psycho is enough and ... lack of Soviet education! Although, it is also not a panacea for everything and everything, overly nervous, excitable individuals will always find a reason to become agitated and to panic.
      2. Terenin 25 June 2020 16: 08 New
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        "so they, according to similar publications, allegedly because of the danger of the 5-G antenna, burned the tower"
        5-G is not even in Moscow yet, and even more so in Ossetia

        So they, "in righteous anger" and burned the first tower that came across. Provocateurs counted on this.
  • novice 25 June 2020 10: 23 New
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    All people. Not everyone is quite competent. So what? Maybe it was not necessary to enter quarantine? Someone always messes up somewhere. No need to make an elephant out of a fly. Whoever needs it is looking for something to be made out of nothing.
    I did not see anything supernatural in this quarantine. I do not see any problems in the city (Chlb).
    And how was it necessary?
    1. Terenin 25 June 2020 11: 07 New
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      And how was it necessary?

      Andrey, they don’t need it no
      Under the constant chants of the liberals, "Today, the homeland is dying especially hard!" The US State Department’s clear plan is being implemented for:
      - a split in Russian society;
      - the imposition of values ​​and development models that are beneficial to them;
      - the ability to manipulate public consciousness;
      Purpose: "Color" revolution in Russia.
      1. Ross xnumx 25 June 2020 13: 23 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        The US State Department’s clear plan is being implemented for:

        I hesitate to ask about the items:
        Quote: Terenin
        - a split in Russian society;

        Do you think that the State Duma and the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, the government of the Russian Federation and the “constitutional guarantor” personally drive the braces into Russian society daily? These miserable handouts-minimum wages, these unreasonable taxes, this unprecedented poverty of workers - does it unite? Or were we rallied on June 12 and November 4? Let’s tell the society from which offices of the State Department this all flows onto our heads. Secure this by presenting false accusations against Plptoshkin N.N. Zamuruyte reinforced concrete excuses Uss and Potanin to eliminate the consequences of environmental disaster ...
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        - the imposition of values ​​and development models that are beneficial to them;

        It's right. They imposed a development model on us from the outside - did they take this model together with Gaidar and Chubais? Who are the monuments in Moscow and the center in Yekaterinburg? The State Department ordered to deliver?
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        - the ability to manipulate public consciousness;

        I’m not even going to list the names of the owners of TV channels and other media crap, and why the hell are they with all their “manipulations of consciousness” and stupid advertising ...
        STATE DEPARTMENT, and only ... Or only with Dimka and Vovka? wassat
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          STATE DEPARTMENT, and only ... Or only with Dimka and Vovka?

          I understand the gesture of despair and resentment, especially in front of the owners crying . It’s incompetent to fail such a highly paid company. So they tried to ride high on behalf of supposedly people
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Or they rallied us ...

          Quote: ROSS 42
          The development model was imposed on us

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          and why the hell are they

          Quote: ROSS 42
          it's all on our heads.

          well, the people will really reset you, after a rain, on Wednesday the 1st yes

          Ross, I can, for the future, propose to clean the enamel in the pots in order to increase the pace of the race.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let’s tell the society from which offices of the State Department this all flows onto our heads.
          What is your address? What is yours, Big Devyatinsky, house 8 winked
      2. Whowhy 26 June 2020 12: 08 New
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        Well, well, this is an old song about an external enemy. The worst internal enemy. Under the slogans of consolidation, the pork snout of the fascist dictatorship is increasingly visible, which defiantly spits on science and culture and boasts of its ignorance. Only an amendment to the constitution about God introduces a rather sickly such split into our society. I'm not talking about atheists (although this is also a religion, but now not in vogue), but are there something you did not like about Buddhists? After all, Buddhists (of which there are a lot in Russia) also do not have a concept of God in their religion. Well, at least this is the most peaceful religion in the world, but as they say, they will have some sediment ....
    2. 1976AG 25 June 2020 11: 45 New
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      Usually, the focus of infection is isolated, but we have the opposite - healthy people in the regions were put under house arrest, and infected Muscovites began to scatter across the country, spreading the virus. This is just a revolutionary method of fighting infection !!!
  • rocket757 25 June 2020 10: 26 New
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    Again from the offended person verbal outpouring and again distorting the facts as you want, pf-e.
    And again “to be continued” ... where else?
    1. NDR-791 25 June 2020 11: 11 New
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      Gygygy): Continuation of "outpouring" after the vote will be
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        Well, yes, for sure. Recognition of results automatically, not provided ....
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      Quote: rocket757
      Again from the offended person verbal outpouring and again distorting the facts as you want, pf-e.
      And again “to be continued” ... where else?

      Well, what can I say Victor .. "Offended" ..)))
      Quote: Terenin
      well, the people will really reset you, after a rain, on Wednesday 1-g

      Here Gennady will surely be zeroing and such barking will be offended .. How tired they are with their whining and everything is gone .. But so far it has to be done. Too much has gone too far with this crap and others ..
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        Nothing fundamentally will change, for anyone ......
  • parusnik 25 June 2020 10: 26 New
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    But when, under the thunder of fanfare, in connection with the first stage of lifting the quarantine on the Patrick, a noisy party suddenly gathered at night and the motorcycles were parked almost directly in the pond, it was no laughing matter. My cousin, who appeared on Mayakovka that day, heard the rumble of speakers from the other side of the Garden Ring.
    .... The same garbage in our county town started and the police won’t get through ... But all this, I'm talking about measures, it looked like some kind of dress rehearsal for something ...
    1. andranick 25 June 2020 10: 32 New
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      it looked like some kind of dress rehearsal for something ..
      or on an “outside / scheduled inspection” in anticipation of something
    2. rocket757 25 June 2020 10: 34 New
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      Nothing goes unnoticed. How many tore off the thread.
      The metropolis, with its numerous, incomprehensible limitations, and so the environment is very amateurish .... and in general, tired people are afraid of this, the third tenth.
      Everything on the periphery, everything goes more calmly, measuredly, and therefore there is nothing to break with, in fact.
    3. AK1972 25 June 2020 10: 57 New
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      The same garbage in our county town has begun and the police will not get through

      In our county town the same. Night street racing, subwoofers screaming for the whole city, and not a single policeman to stop riots. A work colleague called the police at 23.00, because because of the roar of the speakers, the little granddaughter does not sleep and cries. The police arrived in half an hour, although from the police department a 5min leisurely step. By that time, the “music lovers” had caught a trace, but she was interrogated until 3 a.m., and then they said: “Well, where will we find them now?” But the fight against the maskless and violators of "self-isolation" is uncompromising. Yesterday, a colleague in Krasnodar asked the question which of the members of the forum was fined and I answered him that they had drawn up a protocol a month ago, but the fine had not yet arrived. So here I am reporting - yesterday came, a thousand were discharged. The court decision rested in the bin, although this 1kRub will not strangle me, but I will not pay in principle.
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        Quote: AK1972
        But the fight against the maskless and violators of "self-isolation" is uncompromising.

        Is it really necessary to wear masks and sit at home throughout Russia?
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: AK1972
          But the fight against the maskless and violators of "self-isolation" is uncompromising.

          Is it really necessary to wear masks and sit at home throughout Russia?

          Say "thank you" for not wearing at home ...
  • Clear 25 June 2020 10: 39 New
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    Oh, what a "wonderful logic" of the author, and even on one line repeat
    became full carte blanche for repressive measures.
    and right there
    Apparently, the fact that they did not affect the passive majority does not change much in essence.
  • FIR FIR 25 June 2020 10: 42 New
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    I witnessed 3 cases of a street conversation between police and citizens. One of them is with me. They introduced themselves and asked: "Why am I not observing and where is the mask?" She replied that a job that was not quarantined, and that a mask on the street is meaningless, is needed only in crowded places, to which the deserted street does not belong. On that and dispersed.
    The other two cases were just seen from the side. They introduced themselves, asked, and in response .... away we go ... The first was a woman of 50-55 years old at a bus stop. transport, the second - a man of about 40, on the street. The woman began her angry monologue somewhere from the time of Peter I and ended with a lack of conscience, and the man in general with mates, almost got into a fight. The man was taken away ...
    I do not protect police officers (by the way, all are wearing masks and gloves) and other security officials, but they have a so-so hard work, you will learn so much from people ...
    1. Revival 25 June 2020 11: 47 New
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      It is a pity that they were forced to get a job and are not allowed to leave.
      As suggested, often, work ..
    2. tihonmarine 25 June 2020 11: 48 New
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      You learn so much from people.

      And about yourself, and about loved ones, and about strangers.
    3. Stirbjorn 25 June 2020 13: 49 New
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      She replied that a job that was not quarantined, and that a mask on the street is meaningless, is needed only in crowded places, to which the deserted street does not belong. On that and parted

      In St. Petersburg, for example, there was a period when masks were also required to be worn on deserted streets. In Moscow, similarly. In other cities, I can’t say anything. So maybe some policemen didn’t touch you, but you got to the bottom of it anyway. So it's debatable.
  • Clear 25 June 2020 10: 43 New
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    The more stupid and meaningless pointers descend to us above, the more likely it is that below no one will seriously think to execute them.
    So they would immediately say that you are working in some kind of “serious” inspection. What to do, request and who is easy now.
    1. tihonmarine 25 June 2020 11: 50 New
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      Quote: Clear
      What to do, and to whom it is easy now.

      And for me it was two months of a quiet life.
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Clear
        What to do, and to whom it is easy now.

        And for me it was two months of a quiet life.

        That's right, Vlad, having - we do not value, but having lost - weep
  • fyvaprold 25 June 2020 11: 18 New
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    Apparently, Mrs. Petrova considers all VO readers to be juvenile imbeciles incapable of searching and verifying information, for example:
    When citizen Vorobyov was detained on the shore with the characteristic name Jesus, from whom the little dog ran very far away at the wrong time, many were ready to take it with humor. But it would not be so sad, although Vorobyov, as the media write, still got off easily.

    All information about the detention of the so-called “Jesus”, although he is never “Jesus”, is freely available and writing about the “dog who ran away accidentally” is not relevant for a couple of months. As well as about Platoshkin with "flags". The thesis of the first article is “The plan for fines. Penalties according to plan ”, it would not be bad to somehow confirm. Tatyana, do you have one hundred percent proof of the facts stated in your opus? Then in Trail, write a "cart", and if this is just your guesses and conjectures, then I'm sorry, but they should be taken as " another case of the so-called lies © A.Abdulov". Something like this." Paper ", as they say, will endure everything, but ... is the" sheepskin "worth the candle? negative
  • Jack O'Neill 25 June 2020 12: 44 New
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    Penalty field of miracles. Pay always, pay everywhere


  • To be or not to be 25 June 2020 13: 07 New
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    Zeal for the team ..but there are other laws in the state that are not implemented at all For example, "FEDERAL LAW

    ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY
    WITH ANIMALS .... "http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_314646/
    Yes. Local authorities would have good grandmothers on this ... laughing
  • evgen1221 25 June 2020 14: 07 New
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    I, as a builder, didn’t get in trouble with this coronationism, because I worked under the contract, the deadline for registering the bvl was registered, but there was not enough material, and because they blocked the exit from the region, delivery from Nlvosib became a problem, but zak turned out to be g, the letter n rested on time for delivery. In general, I had to look for a passage through the pack of Belomora past the posts past the posts and get out in an incredible way. The funny thing is that I got caught on the penultimate flight and had to stupidly sit at home waiting for checking police officers, because they put them in quarantine for 2 weeks (and do not care for the absence of symptoms and other things) and after they left, they went to work, and the checks generally arrived and at 9am and 6pm. Why and what for there is a great secret))) In general, it was fun)))
  • polar fox 25 June 2020 15: 46 New
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    a bit about real life:
    Upon arrival from Uzbekistan, after passport control, we were escorted to the exit from the airport, where there was a cordoned off zone, police with shepherd dogs and buses for loading people.

    - My brother came for me, he is ready to take us to my private house, where we will go through a 2-week quarantine. There are medicines and our yard for children’s games, a visit of our attending physician is planned there to correct the treatment of one of the children. Look at extracts from a honey card, diagnoses ...
    “I don't decide anything.” My task is to load you on the bus. You will be taken to a boarding house near Tolyatti, where representatives of the Rospotrebnadzor will decide everything.
    Okay. Explain the situation there. Representatives of Rospotrebnadzor, of course, will understand - three young children, a treatment that needs to be corrected and continued for a long time, a private house in the village.
    - Driver, can you stop at a store or at a gas station and buy children water and food?
    - Not. Not allowed.
    - ??? !!!
    “I don't decide anything.” My task is to take you to a boarding house. Stop at gas stations is prohibited.
    By night, we arrived at the pasionat. A policeman entered the bus at the request of passengers.
    “Why are they not letting us go home for self-isolation?”
    - Resolution of the governor. All to the observatory for two weeks.
    “Why were they promised that they would let us go home and cheat?” Why do not you do the tests and do not let go two days after receiving the results?
    “I don't decide anything.” There is a resolution of the governor. You must check into the observatory.
    There was no commission, no analysis of the situation of ours and other people with the representatives of Rospotrebnadzor. All to the observatory.
    And the situation is interesting also because all the arrivals were from Uzbekistan - the country of the green zone. 6153 patients during the pandemic on 20.06/4290, on the date of our arrival. Of these, 34 have already recovered. This is with XNUMX million people. The hard quarantine that we went through all the time there - absolutely all the masks on the streets, the transport did not function for two months, even it was impossible to ride a bicycle, disinfection tunnels and disinfectants in public places. At the same time, masks from the first days of the epidemic were always sold at the usual price in all pharmacies.
    Everyone in the observator - patients with children, urgent life circumstances - is not interested in the observator.
    “What happened to your son, aggravation, life threat? .. They brought the old man here, he didn’t have a kidney, he went to the children — we didn’t let him go.” It’s good here, they do dialysis several times a week, they come from the hospital.
    I found a senior doctor on this shift. He showed medical documents to his son.
    “I don't decide anything.” Write an appeal to the head physician of the polyclinic to which the observer is attached. The day after tomorrow, on Monday, she will consider your application.
    I wrote. True, there is evidence that she does not solve anything, and you need to write higher ... And even higher, and more ... Where is the one who decides?
    Walking for two weeks is prohibited, you can’t even go out into the corridor. Nutrition - you won’t die of hunger, but you won’t eat it voluntarily. My son immediately went to this food allergy, everything itches. Replaced him with a hypoallergenic. The rooms are small, children feel bad in them, and even without walks.
    “This is all for your health and your safety.” On walks you can get infected. We do everything for your comfortable stay.
    And somewhere we are waiting for a house on 70 acres of land, 100 meters to the nearest neighbors. Own food, bought expensive medicines, a trampoline, a sandbox and a pool - everything for the life, health and development of children.
    Are there people in this country who decide something?
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    Since lunch, Katya and I went on a hunger strike. We are seeking the consideration by the Rospotrebnadzor commission of our application for the opportunity to pass quarantine at home.
    The commission should consider - from which zone we arrived, whether we have signs of coronavirus, the condition and the need for treatment of my son, whether there are conditions for self-isolation in our house at the place of registration in the village of Russkaya Selitba.
    Friends, please repost. I especially ask you to bring this post and the previous post https://vk.com/wall66171419_1560 to familiar journalists, bloggers and people who influence something.
    I rarely ask for something. I beg you now.
  • Virus-free crown 25 June 2020 20: 32 New
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    “A fine field of miracles. Pay always, pay everywhere”

    good drinks
  • Prole 25 June 2020 20: 42 New
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    it would be good to add common sense to the fines. They require a mask. And then the masks should be deliberately medical and fulfill their function? And it would be nice to know the degree of danger of being in the mask. Then really demand glasses cans. infection through the mucous membrane of the eye occurs. Then, what is the pathogen? And this is a conversation. During a conversation, an aerosol is released from a person. Which is not held in any way by a mask. And accordingly, a conversation while detaining a person in a mask, a person in a mask and a carrier of the virus already guarantees infection of the detainee. In short, this is such a blizzard and rubbish! For good, the authorities are to blame for everything. There is no civil defense plan against virus attacks. material support is not calculated. Measures to calculate the flow of infection. Nothing was done. For that, every day you just hear from the box — patriotism, a great victory, the Crimean bridge, Russian spacecraft put into orbit the American astronauts, etc., etc.
    1. Whowhy 26 June 2020 12: 18 New
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      Absolutely right! There is WHO data and our opinion virologists (see Zvereva on YouTube) that the mask cannot protect anyone around the infected in any way, but is intended only for personal protection and only against accidental infection, for example, if you go through the area where the infected recently passed.
  • AB
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    Reindeer herder Sobyanin with his team in Moscow is generally a complete sur. There are so many jambs behind it besides quarantine that the transfer will take more than one sheet of paper filled with small handwriting. They say he is Medvedev’s sidekick, so he spits on everything.
  • aybolyt678 26 June 2020 03: 58 New
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    The meaning of the word "self-isolation" implies the voluntariness of this phenomenon. Like suicide. All possible interpretations of this word contradict the fines imposed for violation of the regime. The imposition of penalties for self-isolation is similar to coercion to suicide.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 June 2020 15: 32 New
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    This is from the category: Make a fool pray to God, he will break his forehead.
  • ermak124.0 27 June 2020 12: 15 New
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    By the way, for the mistake of the employer in my service. a pass with a “tied” car, they did not cancel my fine, although I filed an appeal with MADI through the public services website. We did not find a reason to cancel it. Well, like that .... Well, there was a tryndel ??? And I'm not going to pay a fine essno. No way. Fuck off?
  • 16112014nk 27 June 2020 14: 00 New
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    In Europe, police handed out free masks to those who did not have them. In Russia, policemen of citizens without a mask were fined. As they say - feel the difference.
  • vadivm59 27 June 2020 18: 58 New
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    Moscow, in Moscow, near Moscow ... already got this Muscovy! we in Siberia, in Altai, didn’t have any patrols in the streets and didn’t fine anyone. Who wanted to wear masks and gloves. At first everyone was tense, they even issued certificates at the factory that this bearer was a valuable shot and needed in production .never on the street or in the transport they asked this piece of paper. the only thing that reminded me of the epidemic was the police patrol at the hospital building, which was identified as an infectious block. and the infection went from your "beloved" Moscow. One "eccentric" to our city from Moscow, to stay with my grandmother for a while, and after a week I went to bed. So I want to say a few words about him, but it’s forbidden. Yes, and quickly our services worked, for all the time there were about 100 sick people. for 200 tons. population.
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      If he came to your grandmother, who lives with you, then he is not Moscow, but yours. And where does Moscow have to do with it?
      1. vadivm59 28 June 2020 12: 07 New
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        grandmother and mother, you catch the difference? and Moscow despite the fact that he infected this infection from Moscow and brought. Moscow idiot.
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          Moscow is capitalized.
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            completely parallel to how it is written. another country.
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              What is the other?
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                Muscovy. It’s like the military had during the USSR, there was the Moscow Military District, and there was the “Arbat Military District.” And now nothing has changed.
  • imobile2008 27 June 2020 21: 54 New
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    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Guy just twisted

    They “twisted” the guy after refusing to obey the requirements of the police officers who are on duty. That is to be precise. Is there a video at least a couple of minutes before the arrival of the police, where does this guy cover his face with a napkin? Or did he pull it out only when he saw the police? And you yourself saw something like that? Or are all your arguments videos from YouTube?

    And why do you suddenly have to obey the police? Where did you hear that? Can obey legal requirements! Or when they will insert a bottle in the ass, too, must obey?
  • skobars 28 June 2020 20: 49 New
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    It was necessary to put Moscow the hotbed of infection right on strict quarantine, but with the "celestials" they lisped, as always, and the infection went all over the country.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 June 2020 14: 13 New
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    By and large, he did not leave the rest of Russia, in spite of all the efforts of valiant law enforcement officers. It seems that the pandemic did not teach them anything else but to "drag and not let go."

    Otherwise, as an indistinct attempt to throw manure at the fan, I can not name this opus! laughing
    The trivial question is “if your child starts playing tambourine on a tambourine, will you also call“ 2 ”instead of“ O112 ”? It is surprising that not one call was received on “O4” - “they did the gas” !!!
    And last, Tatyana personally, which of the policemen “dragged and didn’t scare” you? You can remember the personal number of the token !!!! Or so at the level of "Blah blah blah" !!!!!