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"9 thousand words of lies": in Denmark reacted to Putin's article

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"9 thousand words of lies": in Denmark reacted to Putin's article

An article in Russian magazine The National Interest by Russian President Vladimir Putin is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies that sow discord and provoke evil rebuffs." This statement was made in an article for the Danish edition of Berlingske by an author named Emil Rottböll.


According to the author of the article, Putin wrote an article about World War II with a length of 9 thousand words, of which there is not a single truthful one, all of them are lies. It was Putin’s own interpretation of the war, and the article itself was prepared in advance and released specially for the celebration of the 75th anniversary of World War II, a parade in honor of which will be held on June 24.

Rottboll, calling the material of the President of Russia "9 thousand words of lies," emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims. Moreover, he draws on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

Putin is completing his historical observation call for objectivity. But this article itself is far from objective. She whitewashes key events and misinterprets historical evidence for fake claims

- he quotes the words of Radchenko.

In addition, Putin’s allegations that only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany are a lie, Poland signed the same pact.

The author, again referring to Radchenko, states that the meeting in Munich in September 1938, when France and Great Britain agreed to annexation by Hitler of the part of Czechoslovakia where ethnic Germans lived, was an important milestone on the road to war, but does not make any comparison in comparison with the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak division, while the Soviet Union divided Poland with Germany.

If Putin were a historian, this article would never have been peer-reviewed. But he is not a historian. He simply sets out ideological stereotypes in support of his superficial claims to greatness - after all, he is trying to immortalize his rule. I put "unsuccessful"

- Rottboll quotes the words "historian from Cardiff."
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 22 June 2020 15: 42 New
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    is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebuffs." With this statement in the article for the Danish edition
    But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.
    According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.
    Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops through its territory to defend Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the security of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.
    1. Trevis
      Trevis 22 June 2020 15: 48 New
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      They say so, it means that Putin said everything correctly. hi
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 22 June 2020 16: 05 New
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        Well, a new specialist in history
        "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.
        How can he not believe it? There are no other specialists :) But it’s easy to take apart from Putin’s article, to read Churchill “Second World War”, in three volumes, as it were, the Danish historian did not bother. Ta Winston clearly describes this fact and precisely as its GDP interprets ...
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 22 June 2020 16: 32 New
          97
          And about the Heroic defense of Denmark from the German invaders - The author did not say anything ??? As many as two hours - held the defense! They even killed the Two aggressors, having lost 13 Fighters!
          Or about eight thousand Danes - who fought in the SS Viking division? Or about 125 thousand Danish miners working in German mines?
          Well, about the fact that little Denmark supplied the Reich with enough food to feed 8.6 million Germans ...
          It’s straightforward that any “evil spirits” from Pravda are corrected, more such articles need to be published ... and links to archival documents!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 22 June 2020 18: 27 New
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            Rottboll, calling the material of the Russian president "9 thousand words of lies," emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims. Moreover, he draws on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.
            Putin concludes his historical observations with a call for objectivity. But this article itself is far from objective. She whitewashes key events and misinterprets historical evidence for fake claims
            - he quotes the words of Radchenko.

            I saw and listened to such students and graduate students as the author of Rottböll, the parrots of the work of my leaders, at n / a conferences without counting.
            It is good when they had a leader in science that was really worthwhile, and not like the student himself. Students then just feel sorry.
            A penny for an article by Rottbull and SHADOW to historian Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales, the conclusions of which Rottboll obsequiously leads!

            Rottbull needs to be completely wooden to compare access to the historical archives of the state of some Sergey Radchenko there with the head of the country V.V. Putin!

            In addition, we know the singers Nikolai and Sergey Radchenko, the boxer Sergey Radchenko, and the historian Sergei Radchenko does not even give out the Internet!

            So let the false historian Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales and wither with his "bad luck" to Putin!
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 22 June 2020 23: 14 New
              +2
              Perhaps after such an advertisement I will read the article ...
          2. Slon_on
            Slon_on 22 June 2020 19: 10 New
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            Yes, they defended themselves very heroically - in Copenhagen, residents stood on the streets and "frowned as wehrmacht soldiers walked around the city"
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 June 2020 19: 33 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            They even killed the Two aggressors, having lost 13 Fighters!
            They did not want to defend their country, but together with Hitler the 24th SS Danmark grenadier regiment atrocities in our country. There were 456 Danes in Soviet captivity, of whom 35 died in custody. 6 years ago in the Sinimäe region (Estonia) we discovered the remains of seven SSman in the trench and a MG-42 machine gun, two of them were Danmark from the Danmark SS. And now they open their mouths. So who attacked whom?
            1. Train
              Train 24 June 2020 00: 02 New
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              Take away the valuable and piss buried back
          4. Gunter prereen
            Gunter prereen 23 June 2020 08: 35 New
            +5
            They were very worried about several million laying hens. What a defense here. Chickens could suffer.
          5. Aitvaras
            Aitvaras 23 June 2020 12: 42 New
            -10
            I agree that the Danes fought weakly during WWII with the Nazi occupiers, without comparing, for example. with the brave Finns in the Winter War in 1939-40. with how they fought against the Soviet liberators, but then, when the Germans began to destroy the Jews of Denmark, the Danes risking their lives on fishing boats, pleasure yachts began the rescue of the Jews of Denmark to Sweden. The Germans tried to prevent this, and if the ship was detained with Jews in the Strait, the Danes were shot, but despite this, most of Dani's Jews were saved. I agree with the statement about the bravery of the Danish SS division, they also boldly fought for example. and the Cossacks from the Russian SS division, for their courage and valor on the battlefield during the Second World War, the most distinguished Cossacks were awarded the highest military awards of Germany.
            1. Train
              Train 24 June 2020 00: 04 New
              0
              The Finns in 18-22 also tried to “liberate” My Karelia and the Kola Peninsula was demanded. So do not roll there about the “brave” Finns
        2. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 23 June 2020 06: 25 New
          +2
          The key phrase -
          According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the partition of Czechoslovakia, while the Soviet Union divided Poland with Germany.

          It turns out that if Britain and France were not allowed to partition Poland, then this is not a fair division.
          1. Eug
            Eug 23 June 2020 06: 58 New
            0
            And who prevented Britain and France from fighting, rather than waiting and sitting out after Hitler’s attack on Poland? And before the attack, send plenipotentiary delegations to Moscow for negotiations, not extras?
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 23 June 2020 08: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Eug
              And who prevented Britain and France from fighting, rather than waiting and sitting out after Hitler’s attack on Poland? And before the attack, send plenipotentiary delegations to Moscow for negotiations, not extras?

        3. Kazbek
          Kazbek 26 June 2020 22: 48 New
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          Lieutenant Radchenko! laughing
      2. Vicontas
        Vicontas 22 June 2020 19: 55 New
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        But such articles as in Denmark are the result of ALL POLITICS of the Russian government over the past 25 years! Starting with the recognition of the USSR’s guilt for Katyn, when first Yeltsin and then Putin plopped on their knees in front of the Poles and bowed their heads to admit guilt for the fake! And ending with commemorative plaques Mannerheim - the builder of concentration camps for the Russians during the war! And in the films about the war, the heroes are "Bastards", "Shtrafbat" and other fairy-tale characters! And real characters, such as Stalin, Zhukov and others - are portrayed as caricatures and enemies of their country! And the evidence of Victory - The Mausoleum is bashfully draped! That is, the RUSSIAN AUTHORITY itself is the first culprit of the fact that such pygmies like Denmark are trying to deceive the country! Because the one who for decades distorted the history of his country cannot demand from others that they tell the truth!
        1. gvozdan
          gvozdan 22 June 2020 23: 34 New
          -5
          What did you personally do to prevent all of the above from happening? Or did all this happen with your tacit consent?

          It may and will require, and your country’s permission is not required.
        2. Alexfly
          Alexfly 23 June 2020 11: 46 New
          +1
          There are different views on the war: from headquarters and from the trench on the front line ..... different things, I think ..
      3. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 22 June 2020 23: 28 New
        +7
        And I guessed what kind of historian Radchenko is!

        This is the "cunning" Rodchenkov!

        The secret is revealed.
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 23 June 2020 08: 52 New
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        Quote: Trevis
        They say so, it means that Putin said everything correctly. hi

        President of Russia Vladimir Putin, in the article "The Real Lessons of the 75th Anniversary of World War II" for the conservative American magazine The National Interest, used a nonexistent quote from Nazi Germany leader Adolf Hitler.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 22 June 2020 15: 54 New
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      It’s worth remembering that in the west of Germany during the attack on Poland there were 23 (!) Divisions, and the Anglo-French troops in Alsace had 121 divisions, all this could be solved in a few months, take Berlin and a point, but they smoked bamboo. And did not notice the war in Poland. And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 22 June 2020 16: 12 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

        Everything is much "worse" -
        In general, the operation to occupy Denmark took several hours, the losses of the German army amounted to 2 soldiers killed and 10 wounded, and 12 armored vehicles, 4 tanks and one Heinkel He 111 bomber were damaged or destroyed. Danish casualties amounted to 16 soldiers killed and 20 wounded.
        Now the descendants of these Heroes are unhappy with the truth.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 22 June 2020 22: 44 New
          +2
          Recall the fighting on about. Greenland. Briefly: Governor Fr. Greenland after the occupation of Denmark, asked the United States through the Danish Ambassador to the United States to protect Fr. Greenland from the encroachments of "third countries", the United States in 1940 announced the protection of. Greenland. The first about. Greenland tried to attack Norway under the leadership of Quisling - they sent a ship with 3 saboteurs, which were intercepted by the US Navy, saboteurs were arrested. Then for about. Greenland was taken by Kriegsmarine Dönitz - a meteorological expedition was sent (2 expeditions were landed directly on Greenland, 1 went missing at sea, 1 was intercepted by allies, 1 successfully operated cruising into the sea until the end of WWII). On the first expedition as a result of clashes with the "Luge patrol" (from the word SANI) organized by the governor of about. Greenland to search for enemy landings - 1 resident of Fr. Greenland of Danish descent (the Eskimos helped, but refused to kill anyone), the Luge Patrol was defeated, but the Kriegsmarine expedition was discovered and forced to flee. The second Kriegsmarine meteorological expedition was discovered the same and, as a result of the battle, lost its “Military Leader” and was again forced to flee. The Greenlanders did their best, but DEFEATED their island, suffered losses (1 killed per 1 inhabitants of Danish origin) and killed the invaders (XNUMX German killed - lieutenant). This information is gleaned from uralweb.ru - a video entitled "Army of Greenland against the Kriegsmarine" - it will be interesting to see.
      2. thinker
        thinker 22 June 2020 16: 35 New
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        And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.
        Two HOURS "fought"!
        В 5:15 units of the 170th Infantry Division and the 11th Rifle Brigade crossed the Danish-German border] and launched an offensive ... 7:20 Danish King Christian X ordered the Danish Armed Forces to cease resistance.
      3. Avior
        Avior 22 June 2020 17: 39 New
        -13
        It is worth remembering that in the west of Germany during the attack on Poland there were 23 (!) Divisions, and the English-French troops in Alsace had 121 divisions

        Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky?
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 June 2020 19: 45 New
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        Quote: K-612-O
        And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

        If 2 days

        But in 1942, the six-thousandth Danish SS corps, consisting of former Danish troops, fiercely fighting near Demyansk, lost 80% of its personnel on the eastern front. Under the sticks of German stewards, the Vikings for the first time during the war showed steadfastness and heroism, but already on the side of the enemies of mankind.
    3. Vrungeli
      Vrungeli 22 June 2020 15: 57 New
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      Quote: Lesovik
      But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be watered with mud

      Now the supporters of the West, the Rottbelly students
      1. Tatyana Pershina
        Tatyana Pershina 24 June 2020 11: 35 New
        0
        Do not ... Do not catch up. It is necessary to read an article in order to tweet something, and in it (an article) as many as 9 thousand words! What Rottbull head can comprehend so many beeches?
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 16: 29 New
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      Quote: Lesovik
      is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebuffs." With this statement in the article for the Danish edition
      But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.
      According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.
      Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops through its territory to defend Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the security of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.

      There was no need to make films like "Burnt by the Sun" and insert Solzhenitsyn into school books. Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 22 June 2020 17: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

        When and who from our government said this?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 20: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: CSKA
          When and who from our government said this?

          It will be necessary to poke around for a long time in all the vysers about the "crimes of the Stalinist regime." Analyze films about the war, made with us over the past 30 years. Read the amendments, in particular article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the president. Solidarism officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian government.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 23 June 2020 11: 20 New
            -2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Poking around for a long time

            Why am I not surprised.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Analyze films about the war, made with us over the past 30 years.

            And since when did screenwriters and directors come to relate to the government and leadership of the country?
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Read the amendments, in particular article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the president.

            So what? How:
            The new version of the Constitution contains article 75.1: “The Russian Federation creates conditions for sustainable economic growth of the country and increase the well-being of citizens, for the mutual trust of the state and society, guarantee the protection of the dignity of citizens and respect for the person of work, ensure the balance of rights and obligations of the citizen, social partnership, economic, political and social solidarity. ”
            Refers to:
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Solidarism officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian government.

            Let's guess. You cannot give examples of solidarity either.
            1. Silhouette
              Silhouette 24 June 2020 06: 14 New
              +1
              And since when did screenwriters and directors come to relate to the government and leadership of the country?

              Ever since they began to take off their opuses with funds taught by the state of gaming companies.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 24 June 2020 12: 31 New
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                Quote: Silhouette
                Ever since they began to take off their opuses with funds taught by the state of gaming companies.

                That is, in your opinion, Vysotsky, Ryazanov and Sholokhov were also in power in the USSR?
      2. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 22 June 2020 17: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: Lesovik
        is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebuffs." With this statement in the article for the Danish edition
        But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.
        According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.
        Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops through its territory to defend Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the security of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.

        There was no need to make films like "Burnt by the Sun" and insert Solzhenitsyn into school books. Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

        and you got five pluses. For communism and fascism are twin brothers. I am like you .... This time, unfortunately, the gunpowder did not remain. Only walk with a cane. And then in a day. Communism and fascism are one for you. Ah tyzh.
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 22 June 2020 19: 02 New
          -42
          Communism and fascism. The difference is only in ideology. The bottom line is a total dictatorship.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 19: 53 New
            +9
            Quote: Alex Justice
            Communism and fascism. The difference is only in ideology. The bottom line is a total dictatorship.

            You read Mein Kampf, the works of Mussolini, then read the works of V.I. Lenin, K. Marx I.V. Stalin, understand what "democratic centralism" is. Perhaps then you will stop writing all sorts of nonsense.
            1. tatarin1972
              tatarin1972 23 June 2020 00: 53 New
              +5
              There are no such authors in the training manual by which they taldychat. These "citizens or citizens" cannot really understand the reality, not that history, knowledge and mind are not enough to evaluate.
            2. Silhouette
              Silhouette 24 June 2020 06: 21 New
              -1
              I read everything and everyone. Communism is a paradise for everyone on the planet (impossible in one country), national socialism is a paradise for one nation (Aryan). Fascism is a paradise for Italians. Democratic centralism is a paradise for manipulators .... Then what?
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 24 June 2020 06: 47 New
                -2
                Quote: Silhouette
                Democratic centralism is a haven for manipulators ....

                What did you have in your social studies school?
              2. begemot20091
                begemot20091 24 June 2020 14: 04 New
                0
                here they are victims of the exam. following the comparisons made regarding fascism and communism I will say: "victim of the exam = victim of abortion"
          2. Magnat231
            Magnat231 23 June 2020 07: 28 New
            -1
            And capitalism, this is grace you want to say, look at the United States, and do not have people brain, wise guy
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 June 2020 10: 24 New
              +2
              If you look at the Scandinavian countries, at the same Denmark, then yes - their capitalism is sheer grace.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 19: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Grim Reaper
          and you got five pluses. For communism and fascism are twin brothers. I am like you .... This time, unfortunately, the gunpowder did not remain. Only walk with a cane. And then in a day. Communism and fascism are one for you. Ah tyzh.

          Fascism was "invented" by capitalist society just for the struggle against communism. Amendments to the constitution on solidarism, justification of Musolini, admiration for Pinochet, lowering education, building a police state, my government, in my opinion, is preparing the construction of such a "society", based on modern analogues of the "union of the Russian people." This really bothers me. I never said that communism and fascism are one and the same thing, this is not so. I regret that I may not have expressed myself clearly enough, and from my post you made a similar conclusion.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 22 June 2020 21: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            in my opinion, preparing to build such a "society", based on modern analogues of the "union of the Russian people"

            Are you seriously?! Are they going to rely on Orthodox radicalism, anti-Semitic ideas, monarchism ?! You made me laugh! laughing
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 22: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Are you seriously?! Are they going to rely on Orthodox radicalism, anti-Semitic ideas, monarchism ?! You made me laugh!

              I’m not sure about anti-Semitism, but I can rely on myself for Orthodox radicalism, solidarism, which, incidentally, now, after the adoption of amendments, officially becomes the ideological basis of the Russian authorities.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 22 June 2020 22: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                but on Orthodox radicalism, solidarity, which, incidentally, now, after the adoption of the amendments, officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian authorities, they can quite rely on themselves.

                After the closing of temples during the so-called "pandemics" contrary to the wishes of Orthodox believers and a significant part of the priests. as well as the "digitalization" of the country, which was supported by the GDP and which is disgusting to believers, everything you wrote about the Orthodox is impossible. IMHO.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 23 June 2020 10: 39 New
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Fascism was "invented" by capitalist society just for the struggle against communism

            The ideological roots of fascism date back to 1880 and, in particular, to the Fin de siècle theme of that time [32]. This topic was based on the opposition to materialism, rationalism, positivism, bourgeois society and democracy. This intellectual school considered man a part of a larger community and condemned the rationalistic individualism of the liberal public and the breakdown of social ties in bourgeois society.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 June 2020 19: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

        They do not speak, but try to our children and grandchildren, to instill this through films like "Stalingrad" and "Burnt by the Sun." They are trying to remove from the life of the young generation our heroic history of the 20th century. .
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 22 June 2020 20: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They do not speak, but try to our children and grandchildren, to instill this through films like "Stalingrad" and "Burnt by the Sun." They are trying to remove from the life of the young generation our heroic history of the 20th century. .

          Wait, they and the state, according to Musolini’s patterns, will try to build. Read the amendments, in particular article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the president. Solidarism officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian government.
        2. begemot20091
          begemot20091 24 June 2020 14: 08 New
          +1
          ek you, my friend, grabbed winked if there was enough money, then Bondarchuk would send a company of gays to Stalingrad, and he sent lesbians to the military hospitals, adding the script, to lick the soldiers' stresses
    5. Siberian54
      Siberian54 22 June 2020 18: 22 New
      +5
      Not tacitly — there was an agreement between France, England and Poland on not allowing the Red Army to enter Czechoslovakia — it will end in 50 years (although they violated this agreement by announcing the “secret articles” of the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR) the agreement of the countries of the winners on closing the pre-war archives The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will open the Foreign Ministries of Western countries and the Russian Federation for one hundred and twenty-five years; there will be a lot of crap floating around.
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      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 22 June 2020 18: 43 New
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        From Ukraine chtol?
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          1. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 23 June 2020 00: 57 New
            +3
            With Brovar, probably, with 72 central training centers.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 June 2020 19: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Vasya Petrov
        what kind of articles Putin has, he can’t connect two words, she must have dashed the mustachioed nanny of the sand, but again, as always, it turned

        Vasya Petrenko, this is the Russian state, not the outskirts, and it is not for you to decide what the president of Russia says.
    7. Bagatur
      Bagatur 22 June 2020 22: 24 New
      0
      I missed the Polsha Red Army in 1938 and then the same thing happened to her that in 1945 ....
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 June 2020 08: 34 New
        0
        Quote: bagatura
        I missed the Polsha Red Army in 1938 and then the same thing happened to her that in 1945 ...

        What so, what a way, but it turned out to be a ba in the camp of winners.
      2. Sergey Zhikharev
        Sergey Zhikharev 23 June 2020 11: 09 New
        0
        An increase in territory at the expense of Germany or what?
  2. K-612-O
    K-612-O 22 June 2020 15: 44 New
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    The ancestors of this talent seem to have served in Gottland or Odin, since he was so bombed.
  3. Bullba
    Bullba 22 June 2020 15: 48 New
    0
    Well, as much as you can, at least give a link, otherwise I’ll have no shit.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 22 June 2020 16: 12 New
      +3
      Tyz
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 June 2020 15: 48 New
    24
    It is necessary to publish the number of Danes who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. And if I am not mistaken, they were all in the troops of the S. Golovoreza were still those. By June 24, we will not even hear it.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 22 June 2020 16: 17 New
      13
      Only prisoners in the 45th were counted 457. Over 10 years, of these, 35 fins were glued together.
      Our system of execution of punishment for fascist henchmen turned out to be incredibly mild.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 16: 25 New
        +8
        We, unlike Hitler, complied with the Geneva Convention, which we did not even sign. Again, unlike Hitler.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 22 June 2020 16: 58 New
          +5
          But none of the enlightened Europeans appreciated this. For whom did you try?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 17: 15 New
            +6
            For my conscience. We are not European wild animals.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 22 June 2020 17: 17 New
              +1
              Because time after time we lose. And they will rise, they will wash their fermented muzzle, and they will laugh at us. Type suckers. And here we are, handshakes, if we remove the skin without thinking.
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 22 June 2020 18: 24 New
              -3
              And yet, after a long discussion, he came to the conclusion that they could not do otherwise.
              By the way, these are the recollections.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs25lOuMFC0
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 June 2020 16: 17 New
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      Quote: tralflot1832
      .And if I am not mistaken they were all in the SS troops.

      Do not be mistaken - “Dunmark”, later “Nordland”. And yes, along with other rabble from the "northern neighbors" noted at Leningrad.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 June 2020 20: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And if I’m not mistaken, they were all in the SS troops.

      And in Kriegsmarin and in the Wehrmacht, and there were even 9 pilots. Our shot has ripened everywhere, but not in defense of our homeland. Although they killed one German infantryman and one motorcyclist, they did something wrong with him, but they fought for the “Uncle Adik” as they did not fight for their mother. And in the SS they were accepted as persons of the German nation.
  5. Bykov.
    Bykov. 22 June 2020 15: 48 New
    15
    Still, this Danish journalist, and the whole collective West, like Putin’s words. Who would be pleased to hear this to himself? And even when he himself had long ago convinced himself that you are a white and fluffy Danish rabbit.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 22 June 2020 15: 55 New
      15
      On April 9, 1940, Denmark fell two hours after the start of the German Wehrmacht operation.
      1. Junior Private
        Junior Private 22 June 2020 15: 59 New
        14
        This is embarrassing for them to admit.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 22 June 2020 16: 21 New
          +7
          But Germany was abundantly supplied with food. These photos cannot be found on the Internet. But I recall how I saw WWII in History.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 June 2020 20: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Pereira
            But Germany was abundantly supplied with food. These photos cannot be found on the Internet. But I recall how I saw WWII in History.

            There is no photo, but the data are available. From December 11, 1940, under an agreement with Germany, Danish industry (268 enterprises) began to produce products for the German Armed Forces: diesel engines for submarines, spare parts for aircraft, explosives, uniforms, footwear. 50 Danish construction companies (60 workers) took part in fortification work on the Atlantic coast (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway). For the needs of the Wehrmacht, agricultural products from Danish farmers were supplied. From April 000 until the end of March 1940 alone, Germany received 1941 tons of butter, 83 tons of pork, 668 tons of beef, 159 tons of eggs and 686 tons of herring.
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl 23 June 2020 16: 00 New
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              For the needs of the Wehrmacht, agricultural products from Danish farmers were supplied. From April 1940 until the end of March 1941 alone, Germany received 83 tons of butter, 668 tons of pork, 159 tons of beef, 686 tons of eggs and 97 tons of herring.
              but .... did not help !!!
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 23 June 2020 17: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Nemchinov Vl
                but .... did not help !!

                It didn’t help, but the German from Danish grubs didn’t crack. Gobbled up.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 22 June 2020 22: 53 New
            +2
            In Denmark, arms factories worked uninterruptedly under the Germans (remember the Madsen machine gun) and even until 1942 they legally sold their products abroad to “third countries” (for example, Suomi system software for the Swedish police).
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 22 June 2020 15: 55 New
      +8
      Here's how this global "litter for all" can feel like a "white and fluffy rabbit" ??
      Only after being drugged is drugged with drugs, varnishing it with marijuana.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 June 2020 20: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Bulls.
      Still, this Danish journalist, and the whole collective West, like Putin’s words.

      It would be better if this "scribbler" remembered the killed children by the Danish SSman near Demyansk and Nevel.
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  7. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 22 June 2020 15: 51 New
    11
    Moreover, he relies on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergey Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales

    And who is that? Another Suvorov ???
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 June 2020 20: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales

      Another homeless man who fled to the west, devouring leftovers from the master's table.
  8. businessv
    businessv 22 June 2020 15: 52 New
    11
    for the Danish edition of Berlingske, an author named Emil Rottböll spoke.
    The author’s name is still so, but the surname is clearly obscene! And what else could a person with such a surname write? This is ironic, of course, but what else can you expect from our "Western partners"? They do not need the truth, they need reasons to blame Russia and everything connected with it!
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 22 June 2020 16: 20 New
      +2
      Sergey Radchenko
      Orientalist, professor at the University of Cardiff (Wales), and most importantly, where he found https://echo.msk.ru/guests/816900-echo/
      1. businessv
        businessv 22 June 2020 18: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Sergey Radchenko Orientalist, professor at Cardiff University
        Neither the name nor the place of work convinces of its objectivity in relation to our history. Thank you for the link, a source from the same cohort! smile
    2. nikon7717
      nikon7717 22 June 2020 18: 27 New
      -1
      You see how they all relate there to the oral cavity. Then they have Roth..ter..dam a tourist attraction in Holland, then Roth ..t..b.ell got out ..
      It seems that they in the surname mixed up a couple of letters in places, or missed one E. Otherwise, everything becomes clear for the Russian language wassat
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 22 June 2020 15: 54 New
    16
    All historians can be classified by their relation to the Munich agreement with Hitler ...
    if the so-called historian begins to gently move away from discussing this complicity of Western leaders with Hitler’s aggressive policy ... then it’s clear that he is not a historian but an interested person who is in no way a historical scholar.
    Facts and only facts are crucial ... what bitter significance they would not have for understanding the events that took place.
    Westerners today are trying to erase and destroy all these facts so that no one knows the truth of past years.
    Therefore, we now have to lead on the Internet and social networks smile on their sofas fierce battles to preserve our history and ultimately for our existence.
  10. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 22 June 2020 15: 57 New
    16
    "According to the author, Putin wrote an article about World War II with a length of 9 thousand words .."
    Everything is clear with the author - instead of reading, he considered the letters .. However. diagnosis...
  11. codetalker
    codetalker 22 June 2020 15: 57 New
    +7
    Already rooting ... That's right, all 9000 words are false)
  12. Junior Private
    Junior Private 22 June 2020 15: 57 New
    +5
    Not everything is safe in the kingdom of Denmark. In the heads.
  13. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 15: 57 New
    11
    Denmark? This, incidentally, is not the country whose army valiantly, already as much as 5 hours, resisted the Nazi invasion? Until their bicycles were taken away.
    This is not a country whose citizens with pleasure served in the division of the SS "Danmark"?
    1. bar
      bar 22 June 2020 16: 32 New
      +8
      Denmark is a country that, having spit on the interests of its allies in the European Union, on the instructions of its striped masters, has choked up the Nord Stream-2. Already 75 years have passed, and as they changed the Germans' occupation zone to the nuggle-saxon zone, they exist in it. It is strange to expect from these faithful servants of the State Department some thoughts that are different from the thoughts of their owners. Moreover, Mr. "Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales" has already written how to say it.
  14. yfast
    yfast 22 June 2020 16: 04 New
    0
    Interestingly, can he prove that all 9000 words are false? Or for a red word blurted out?
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 22 June 2020 18: 36 New
      -1
      Of course it can. He has garbage in his mouth. Read by name. Rot.t. (missed letter) Böll. Well, then options with other missing letters
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 22 June 2020 20: 31 New
        +1
        Almost rottenberg
  15. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 22 June 2020 16: 06 New
    +5
    There are wonderful people in the West, I don’t understand how they can not understand, make mistakes and lie when all the rubbish came from them. They don’t even want to let others think in blood that sprinkled their truth. I had thousandths of a probability of being born, like so many of our other people. Such people will simply “kill” these truth-loving people next time. How not to understand this? In fact, such words are a declaration of war. I understand why North Korea threatens to destroy everyone who encroaches on its borders, even the most powerful. The world has long wound up those who, for fear, want to destroy everyone and everything, starting with the home-made coronavirus.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky 22 June 2020 16: 13 New
      +1
      All wars are conceived in the West and subtly draw a single logical line by people who pathologically cannot refuse it. What does the USSR have to do with it? All democracy of those times consists of the destruction of all that interfere with the rule and annihilation of others. Just destroy and nothing more. A pathology that is still successful. When will it end?
  16. Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 June 2020 16: 06 New
    +6
    Well, the fact that in the West they will not accept any other version of history other than the one in which the USSR and Stalin personally are to blame, but also a little more Hitler regarding the issue with the Jews, is an obvious thing. And in this context, it was completely not worth throwing beads in front of pigs. The result, of course, will be zero.
    But the political meaning of the article is not this; it is in the desire of Mr. Putin to preserve the remnants of the Yalta world order and, accordingly, the role of the Russian Federation (as the assignee of the USSR) in this world order. At least as a junior partner. Therefore, Putin turned, of course, not to the "Western public", but to the American establishment. The problem here is that in spite of all its grandiose struggle among themselves, both ideological trends in the USA and globalists and imperialists are not inclined to maintain the post-war world order. On the contrary, they seek to break it. Each in its own way, but break.
  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 22 June 2020 16: 07 New
    0
    Rottböll emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the “Putin article” was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Great Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims.
    ingeniously, the tiger was released from the cage and the caretaker was not to blame, and the visitor offered to bang him right away
  18. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 22 June 2020 16: 09 New
    +7
    The number of Danish volunteers in the SS troops was almost equal to the pre-war number of the Danish army.
    The Danes served in the standards of the SS Nordland (216 people) and Nordwest (transferred to the corps), in the Danish Volunteer Corps -1896 people. On the basis of this, in the spring of 1943 the volunteer tank and grenadier regiment of the SS Danmark was formed - 1386 people; another 700 people served in the Zeeland SS security battalion formed from the Schalburg corps (analogous to the German SS in Denmark).
    Together with the Danes, it is customary to take into account the ethnic Germans of North Schleswig (who had Danish citizenship). As of the end of 1943, there were 1292 of them in the SS troops.
    In accordance with the foregoing, the number of Danish filed in the SS troops could not exceed 6000 people.
    Ponomarenko R.O., Zalessky K.A., Semenov K.K. SS troops without signature stamp - M .: Veche, 2010
  19. tatra
    tatra 22 June 2020 16: 09 New
    +8
    Those who justify the Munich agreement justify Hitler and those who complain that the USSR did not have the right to return the Russian lands captured by the White Poles during the Civil War in Russia, this proves that they are for Hitler, that they would like Hitler captured the whole of Poland.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 22 June 2020 16: 23 New
      +6
      And here I completely agree with you. To return their lands is sacred. Plus, push the border aside, otherwise Hitler aggression began 300 km closer to Moscow and almost 900 closer to Peter. The Munich agreement is God with him, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was beneficial, first of all, to the USSR.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 22 June 2020 20: 34 New
        -9
        I can imagine how the local community will rejoice when China decides to support the views on the history of our leader and "pushes" its border to the Urals
  20. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 22 June 2020 16: 11 New
    +5
    Quote: tralflot1832
    It is necessary to publish the number of Danes who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. And if I'm not mistaken, they were all in the SS troops

    The number of Danish volunteers in the SS troops was almost equal to the pre-war number of the Danish army.
    The Danes served in the standards of the SS Nordland (216 people) and Nordwest (transferred to the corps), in the Danish Volunteer Corps -1896 people. On the basis of this, in the spring of 1943 the volunteer tank and grenadier regiment of the SS Danmark was formed - 1386 people; another 700 people served in the Zeeland SS security battalion formed from the Schalburg corps (analogous to the German SS in Denmark).
    Together with the Danes, it is customary to take into account the ethnic Germans of North Schleswig (who had Danish citizenship). As of the end of 1943, there were 1292 of them in the SS troops.
    In accordance with the foregoing, the number of Danish filed in the SS troops could not exceed 6000 people.
    Ponomarenko R.O., Zalessky K.A., Semenov K.K. SS troops without signature stamp - M .: Veche, 2010
  21. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 June 2020 16: 11 New
    16
    However, this is a lie, the author claims. Moreover, he draws on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

    I almost fell out of a chair from laughter.
    I could recommend the author to read one really famous historian, a Nobel laureate in the field of literature and, by the way, also the Prime Minister of Great Britain. This, of course, is about Winston Spencer Churchill, whose assessment DIRECTLY CONFIRMS Putin's article on the role of the Munich conspiracy in unleashing WWII.
    But I won’t - there are as many as six volumes, the author will die from overvoltage laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 June 2020 16: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I could recommend the author to read one really famous historian, a Nobel laureate in the field of literature and, by the way, also the Prime Minister of Great Britain. This, of course, is about Winston Spencer Churchill, whose assessment DIRECTLY CONFIRMS Putin's article on the role of the Munich conspiracy in unleashing WWII.

      It is solvable. Pass in Minisprav:
      Churchill's memoirs wrongly rewrite Munich from top to bottom

      Comrade Winston has to cope with this task. smile
  22. lis-ik
    lis-ik 22 June 2020 16: 12 New
    -21
    I recalled this parable about a boy and wolves. In Putin’s article about the Second World War, it’s certainly true, but after all his lies, and to your own people, by captivity you will divide by ten.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 22 June 2020 16: 19 New
      11
      to share the land with the gozman in the sandbox - the ceiling of the opposition strategist, I think.

      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 22 June 2020 16: 28 New
        -16
        Quote: c-Petrov
        to share the land with the gozman in the sandbox - the ceiling of the opposition strategist, I think.

        Petrov suggest waiting until the fall. And then, look at the situation in the country, then we'll talk about the opposition. Although I think they will not wait so much.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 22 June 2020 18: 37 New
          +2
          Yes, everything will be fine in the fall, as well as last and others
        2. St Petrov
          St Petrov 23 June 2020 12: 16 New
          -1
          Petrov suggest waiting until the fall.


          #SOON

          Putyara and Rasko vsio (s)

  23. senima56
    senima56 22 June 2020 16: 13 New
    +2
    It turns out that this Rottbell also counted all the words in the article! fool
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 22 June 2020 16: 27 New
      -3
      Quote: senima56
      It turns out that this Rottbell also counted all the words in the article! fool
      I wonder how many words Rottbull had enough to criticize, 500-1000. The dumbass fool vocabulary is extremely limited.
    2. Micfoster
      Micfoster 22 June 2020 16: 30 New
      0
      While I was counting words, there was no time to delve into the meaning of words!
  24. poquello
    poquello 22 June 2020 16: 22 New
    +4
    just some du-ra-chok from Denmark. Munich conspiracy and capture of part of Czechoslovakia gave Hitler not frail industrial plants
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 22 June 2020 19: 09 New
      +1
      England and France calmly watched as Hitler arms himself, despite the ban on the results of 1 MV.
      And what prevented Hitler from attacking when he attacked Poland?
  25. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 June 2020 16: 24 New
    -2
    Rottböll emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the “Putin article” was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Britain with Hitler in 1938
    Didn’t he go to school, where does Putin come from? Everything has long been known. Putin did not reach the idea of ​​organizing WWII to the United States. It is a pity, although the publication obliges. repeat
  26. K-50
    K-50 22 June 2020 16: 25 New
    0
    An article in Russian magazine The National Interest by Russian President Vladimir Putin is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies that sow discord and provoke evil rebuffs."

    This is called "true pricking eyes." So they are outraged. lol
  27. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 22 June 2020 16: 26 New
    0
    that the meeting in Munich in September 1938, when France and Great Britain agreed to Hitler’s annexation of the part of Czechoslovakia where ethnic Germans lived, was an important milestone on the road to war, but can not be compared with the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section, t

    The author Emil Rottböll pretty burns out. No blazes. But why forget about Poland? The division of Czechoslovakia is the reason for direct participation in the event of England and France.
  28. knn54
    knn54 22 June 2020 16: 28 New
    +3
    To the well-known in narrow circles orientalist Radchchenko a couple of (so far) questions:
    He knows that the border with Poland was not along the Curzon line, as agreed, but much more east?
    Why declaring war on Hitler after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the Allies did not even lift a finger to save it?
    Regarding the Danes, I will say in Shevchenko's words:
    "The glorious great-grandfathers of the great great-grandchildren are filthy."
    Although (judging by history) among the Vikings are the biggest "scumbags."
  29. Micfoster
    Micfoster 22 June 2020 16: 28 New
    +6
    And the memoirs of W. Churchill poorly read? Or “did the historians from Cardiff not hear about them? Churchill wrote that the“ Western democracies "were to blame for starting the war. Probably Churchill is now also a liar?
  30. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 June 2020 16: 30 New
    +2
    England and France did not participate in the Czechoslovak section. They secured this section by stupidly betraying Czechoslovakia. Allies, their mother, "A great pile of garbage." And now some idiots are trying to challenge this HISTORICAL FACT. Not to mention the fact that some Dane writes. What is denmark? Hole on the map. Did she resist Germany? I don’t remember something. But it plowed on the "millennial Reich" in Stakhanovian way.
  31. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 22 June 2020 16: 31 New
    0
    I put "unsuccessful"

    What a nightmare! Where to go?
  32. TAMBU
    TAMBU 22 June 2020 16: 34 New
    -1

    The under-education from Denmark uses data 25 years ago
    Here is the criticism ...
  33. kriten
    kriten 22 June 2020 16: 37 New
    +2
    The descendants of those who faithfully served Hitler will always be unhappy with the victory. Even today they consider him an idol.
  34. parusnik
    parusnik 22 June 2020 16: 42 New
    -1
    Logically, this is to be expected. They seized on all the misappropriations and defaults in the article.
  35. anjey
    anjey 22 June 2020 16: 44 New
    +3
    SS battalion "Denmark"
    Who is Denmark during Hitler to listen to their lying absurdities? These are not Putin's postulates, but the historical old truth attached by a mass of facts.
    1. anjey
      anjey 22 June 2020 16: 59 New
      +4
      The thing is that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and Danes-the Nazis drove well into the ground ...
  36. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 22 June 2020 16: 45 New
    +1
    How does the West take root when we start talking about an uncomfortable truth for them! We are doing everything right, do not forget the lessons of the past in order to prevent their repetition in the future!
  37. pytar
    pytar 22 June 2020 16: 46 New
    -9
    In addition, Putin’s allegations that only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany are a lie, Poland signed the same pact.

    Here Rottboll is right! On January 26, 1934, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland (Deklaracja między Polska a Niemcami o niestosowaniu przemocy) (also called the Non-aggression Treaty between Germany and Poland). Two years earlier, namely on July 25, 1932, the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty (Pakt o nieagresji Polska - ZSRR) was signed - an interstate agreement between Poland and the USSR, initially for a period of 3 years, but already extended on May 5, 1934 until December 31 1945 year.
    Hitler tore the non-aggression treaties with Poland unilaterally on April 28, 1939, and on September 1, 1939 Germany attacked Poland! On September 17, 1939, the Red Army also began military operations against Poland, denouncing the non-aggression pact on the same day. Germany did the same on June 22, 41, already with the USSR!
    In fact, by April-September 1939, Poland had non-aggression treaties with both states attacking it!
    Here it must be honestly acknowledged that the Act, contrary to all agreements linking Poland and the USSR, was a secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23, 1939, which provided for the actual liquidation of Poland by the Third Reich and the USSR.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 June 2020 16: 54 New
      +3
      Please tell me ... You in your comment so logically described everything. Maybe you can also logically talk about the Munich Agreement (this is in your opinion, in our agreement). And why England and France did not agree with the USSR to create a bloc to confront Germany. By the way, after the Munich agreements were signed.
      1. pytar
        pytar 22 June 2020 17: 21 New
        -4
        Please tell me ... You in your comment so logically painted everything.

        Dear Alexey, hi I quote the fact as they are.
        Can you just as logically talk about the Munich Agreement (this is in your opinion, in our agreement).

        In my opinion, it’s more accurate to call the ego A CONSENT! Because, did not reckon with Czechoslovakia! There are different opinions about the reasons. Some consider: 1). Western powers hoped that having received the Sudetenland, Hitler would catch up and the threat of a new war would disappear. Others believe that 2). thus the West, dragged Germany to the USSR. For the West, Nazi revanchist Germany, striving for world domination, and the Bolshevik USSR with its ideology, were equally dangerous enemies.
        And why England and France did not agree to an agreement with the USSR on creating a bloc to confront Germany.

        There are also many versions. One of them is the ones mentioned above 1). and 2). Another - Western countries were not ready to give Stalin what he could get from Hitler. And no one in the West believed that the antagonistic ones - the USSR and Germany, could agree among themselves!
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 22 June 2020 17: 31 New
          +3
          Ahhhhhh .... many versions .... laughing But according to the Moscow treaty and the treaty of non-attack between the USSR and Poland, you have one version laughing hi
          1. pytar
            pytar 22 June 2020 18: 00 New
            -5
            But according to the Moscow treaty and the treaty of non-attack between the USSR and Poland, you have one version

            If you read it carefully, you will see that there I write only about facts. Generally speaking, there was no question of any version! request By the way, there are also a lot of them.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 22 June 2020 18: 59 New
              +3
              I appreciated your facts laughing and the Munich conspiracy is a fact and not the conclusion of an alliance between England and France with the USSR a fact .... but from your point of view there are many versions ... laughing hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 22 June 2020 20: 07 New
                -5
                I appreciated your facts, but the Munich agreement was a fact and not a conclusion of an alliance between England and France with the USSR a fact .... but from your point of view there are many versions ...

                I also appreciated yours! They are like mine - facts! It is impossible to confuse with versions! These are different things! I mentioned the facts, and you essentially asked about the versions! They are based on different views and assessments of facts. There are a great many of them. I have quoted some of them.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 23 June 2020 00: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  I mentioned the facts

                  wherever you mentioned the "facts" are my minuses, first deal with the facts
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 23 June 2020 08: 59 New
                    -3
                    wherever you mentioned the "facts" are my minuses, first deal with the facts

                    hello to the minusers! laughing from the minuses, the facts will not become less facts. hi
        2. Yury Siritsky
          Yury Siritsky 23 June 2020 13: 15 New
          0
          They personally told you this. At first they themselves conspired with Hitler, hoping that he would trample on the USSR and not touch them. But they were counted a little.
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 June 2020 15: 55 New
            0
            They told you that personally.

            Neither I nor you personally were told. Well, except if you are not a psychic and communicate with their souls ...
            At first, they themselves conspired with Hitler, hoping that he would trample on the USSR and not touch them. But they were counted a little.

            In fact, every one miscalculated! Franco-British - that they will not trample on. Hitler - what will conquer the world. Stalin - that Hitler would not attack on June 22, 41, it cost more than two tens of millions the lives of Soviet citizens.
    2. anjey
      anjey 22 June 2020 17: 06 New
      +4
      Anglo-French two-faced politics and the Munich agreement were the forerunner of World War II ..... And the germ is Anschluss of Austria.
      1. pytar
        pytar 22 June 2020 19: 26 New
        -1
        Anglo-French two-faced politics and the Munich agreement were the forerunner of World War II ..... And the germ is Anschluss of Austria.

        Undoubtedly, from the current point of view, this is so. But before the occupation of Czechoslovakia, Hitler's actions looked primarily like an aspiration to unite the territories inhabited by ethnic Germans.

        13.01.1935 g. Joins the Saar / referendum /.
        March 1936 demilitarization of the Rhine region.
        March 13.03.1938, XNUMX unites Austria / referendum /.
        October 1-10.10.1938, XNUMX is annexed by the Sudetenland / Munich Agreement /.
        23.03.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX the city of Memel region agreement with Lithuania.
        By itself, the Germans ’stereizh will unite their ethnic lands quite normal, understandable. The Munich agreement, in this order, does not look like something criminal. The ruling politicians in the West believed that this would end and that there would be no big war. Wrong ... Having got the German range into our own hands, Hitler took the next step .... expansion in all directions.
        1. poquello
          poquello 23 June 2020 00: 23 New
          0
          Quote: pytar
          October 1-10.10.1938, XNUMX is annexed by the Sudetenland / Munich Agreement /.
          23.03.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX the city of Memel region agreement with Lithuania.
          In itself, the Germans ’stirrup will unite their ethnic lands quite normal, understandable. Munich agreement, in that order doesn't look like something criminal.

          4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 June 2020 09: 06 New
            -1
            4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))

            Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands. The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined. With this, it seems, all the rules. But then, they really stupidly watched as Hitler swallowed the whole Czech Republic. The policy of appeasement failed ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 23 June 2020 18: 18 New
              -1
              Quote: pytar
              4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))

              Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands. The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined.

              there is no need to distort the facts, the Paris conference is primarily a conference, but with the dominance of the winners of the WWI but the conference and not the decisions of the countries of the winners, respectively, a couple of countries from the winners had no right to give the right.
              1. pytar
                pytar 23 June 2020 20: 29 New
                -1
                no need to distort the facts

                Let’s figure out who is distorting what!
                My:
                Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands.

                Your:
                accordingly, a pair of countries from the winners had no right to give the right.

                Can you read? I am stating a fait accompli! Nowhere do I claim to have had or not such a right! This is what you say, you say, you think so!
                Moving on:
                My:
                The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined.

                FACT: The borders of Czechoslovakia after WWI were determined by France and Great Britain. As a result, a quarter of the population of the republic turned out to be compactly resident ethnic Germans.

                Your:
                the Paris conference is primarily a conference, but with the dominance of the winners of the WWI but a conference and not decisions of the countries of the winners

                Awesome statement! So what? How does it “cancel” the facts ?! I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma! Do you know the difference between facts and statements? Statements can be different, they can be picked as you like, but you can not argue the facts!
                1. poquello
                  poquello 24 June 2020 04: 39 New
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                  Quote: pytar
                  FACT: The borders of Czechoslovakia after WWI were determined by France and Great Britain.

                  and besides inflamed speculation will there be arguments? achieved at the conference but ....
                  The borders of the new republic were determined at the Paris Peace Conference. Smoke history textbook, see members. ))) but it’s actually the right to give the right about which you "did not write"))))))).
                  Quote: pytar
                  Can you read? I am stating a fait accompli! Nowhere do I claim to have had or not such a right!

                  just read "given the right" whose is this?
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 24 June 2020 09: 39 New
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                    The borders of the new republic were determined at the Paris Peace Conference.

                    Who participated in the Paris Conference from the countries of the winners? France, UK, Italy and the USA! The same as in the Munich agreement, only without the United States.
                    Smoke history textbook, see members.

                    poquello, I don’t know that you are a smoker and that you look, but obviously it is something unhealthy ... laughing
                    just read "given the right" whose is it?

                    Again, for those who are especially dull, I’ll explain - "they gave the right, they allowed." This is in fact done. Whether they had such rights or not, I have not claimed anywhere!
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 24 June 2020 14: 18 New
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                      Quote: pytar
                      Who participated in the Paris Conference from the countries of the winners? France, UK, Italy and the USA!

                      you’ll be yelling again that you’re not lying because they really participated only except for them there were countries
                      Japan, Belgium, Romania, Serbia, Portugal, China, Nicaragua, Liberia, Haiti.
                      The newly formed states - Poland, Czechoslovakia and a bunch more.
                      Quote: pytar
                      Again, for those who are especially dull, I’ll explain - "they gave the right, they allowed." This is in fact done. Whether they had such rights or not, I have not claimed anywhere!

                      But why then did the winners recall the definition of boundaries? )))))))))))))
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 24 June 2020 17: 40 New
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                        you’ll be yelling again that you’re not lying because they really participated only except for them there were countries

                        poquello, Paris conference, these are several different negotiation processes, separate agreements. The one who belongs to Czechoslovakia is called Saint-Germain MD. A lot of countries were present at the Paris Conference, but the agenda was determined by France, Great Britain, Italy and the USA. By the way, the United States did not sign it, but signed a separate agreement with Austria.
                        But why then did the winners recall the definition of boundaries?

                        Moreover, the borders of Czechoslovakia, both in 1919 and in 1938, were determined by almost the same heavyweights! It turns out in fact that the United Kingdom, France and Italy in 1919 gave Czechoslovakia those lands with the German population, and in 1938 they returned them back to the Germans. What is still incomprehensible to you ?! request
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 24 June 2020 18: 36 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        The Paris Conference, these are several different negotiation processes, separate agreements. The one who belongs to Czechoslovakia is called Saint-Germain MD

                        and why did you say that?
                        The Saint-Germain peace treaty was signed on September 10, 1919 between the United States, Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Belgium, China, Cuba, Greece, Nicaragua, Panama, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Serbo-Croatian-Slovenian state, Siam, Czechoslovakia, on the one hand, and Austria, on the other.

                        tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 24 June 2020 19: 29 New
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                        and why did you say that?

                        So that you make a difference, between the countries of "decisive" and "present." Not Cuba and Ecuador decided the fate of the borders, although they were there ...
                        tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.

                        And who says they had the right ??? They thought so, since they did it! The Germans returned under the Germans, having crossed the state border along the ethnic border. You think differently, but they forgot to ask you. laughing
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 24 June 2020 20: 45 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.

                        And who says they had the right ??? They thought so, since they did it!

                        here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 25 June 2020 09: 07 New
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                        here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.

                        Here two fundamental principles of international law come into conflict - the inviolability of borders / sovereignty / and the right to self-determination of nations. By the way, it was recognized at the Paris Peace Conference. Sudeten Germans made several attempts to organize the referendum, but the Czechoslovak authorities did not allow it. The accession of the Sudetenland to Germany can be interpreted in different ways - annexation, separatism or the right to self-determination, it all depends on the point of view. There is an analogy with Crimea and Donbass. The difference is that Czechoslovakia, although under pressure, has signed the Munich Agreement, and Ukraine has never recognized the annexation of Crimea to Russia.
                      6. poquello
                        poquello 25 June 2020 22: 14 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.

                        Here two fundamental principles of international law come into conflict - the inviolability of borders / sovereignty / and the right to self-determination of nations.

                        not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )
                      7. pytar
                        pytar 26 June 2020 17: 02 New
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                        not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )

                        Your meaning is incomprehensible to me. Explain what you mean?
                      8. poquello
                        poquello 26 June 2020 21: 47 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )

                        Your meaning is incomprehensible to me. Explain what you mean?

                        self-determination of the Polish minority and Rusyns as Hungarians)))))))
  • anjey
    anjey 22 June 2020 17: 16 New
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    How many secret unspoken agreements and betrayals did Munich bring in 1938 ???
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 June 2020 19: 40 New
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      How many secret unspoken agreements and betrayals did Munich bring in 1938 ???

      I am inclined to believe that all future problems and the inevitability of 2MB are rooted in the clauses of the Versailles Treaty.
      1. anjey
        anjey 22 June 2020 22: 10 New
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        Do not forget the ideological contradictions of communism and capitalism and, as always, political, economic and ideological geopolitics and competition. Hitler bribed the German political and economic elite with his terry anti-communism. They knew how and in what way, he would revive and enrich Germany.
        1. pytar
          pytar 22 June 2020 23: 53 New
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          Yes, this is the place to be! You are right, Andrey! hi
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 22 June 2020 17: 18 New
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    Quote: pytar
    On September 17, 1939, the Red Army also began military operations against Poland, denouncing the non-aggression pact on the same day. Germany did the same on June 22, 41, already with the USSR!

    Well, it’s understandable with the Germans, they didn’t want to scare them away, but what prevented ours from denouncing the agreement before?
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 June 2020 19: 58 New
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      Well, it’s understandable with the Germans, they didn’t want to scare them away, but what prevented ours from denouncing the agreement before?

      Stalin was cunning! According to the idea of ​​the Mollotov-Ribentrop Pact, Poland was supposed to cease to exist. It was a conspiracy of two dictatorial regimes about the partition of a neighboring country. But Stalin did not want to look like an aggressor in the eyes of the world! Even after the Wehrmacht invasion of Poland, he hesitated, waiting for the moment when the Polish government would lose control of the situation. This is literally a text from a note of the USSR from September 17! Although the USSR was cunning, handing the Polish government a note in which he insisted that "it is incompetent"! Handing a note means recognition of the legal status of a given government! In the end, everyone accused Hitler, France and Great Britain declared war on him, not Stalin!
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 22 June 2020 20: 14 New
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        I’m talking about something else, why didn’t they denounce the agreement earlier, as with Japan? It would have looked better, but it would hardly have affected the resistance of the Poles. Was Stalin hesitating? Until the 17th?
        1. pytar
          pytar 22 June 2020 20: 27 New
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          I think I have already explained. I’ll say more clearly: If you pre-denounce a contract, it looks like you’d come from an alien tree with a stick! To blame! And when at the last moment, it’s like an apple falls itself, you just grabbed it! Tipo not to blame! laughing
          With Japan, there was no need for such tricks. Situations from 39g. and 45g. totally different.
      2. poquello
        poquello 23 June 2020 00: 28 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Stalin was cunning

        ) is this a fact?
        Quote: pytar
        Even after the Wehrmacht invasion of Poland, he hesitated, waited for the moment when the Polish government would lose control of the situation.

        but the fact, and the agreement with Germany, did not allow the Germans to wait at the old borders, by the way in the know that the Germans were rolling back their troops according to this agreement?
        1. pytar
          pytar 23 June 2020 09: 12 New
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          Is this a fact?

          The fact is obvious! by June 22, 41 even outwitted himself ...
          but the fact and the agreement with Germany made it possible not to wait for the Germans at the old borders

          allowed! But Stalin waited until the apple itself fell into her hands!
          By the way, I know that the Germans were rolling back their troops under this treaty

          I know.
          1. poquello
            poquello 23 June 2020 18: 51 New
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            Quote: pytar
            Is this a fact?

            The fact is obvious! by June 22, 41 even outwitted himself ...

            it is clear, speculation for a fact is issued even in the eye ...))))))))))))))
            Quote: pytar
            but the fact and the agreement with Germany made it possible not to wait for the Germans at the old borders

            allowed! But Stalin waited until the apple itself fell into her hands!
            By the way, I know that the Germans were rolling back their troops under this treaty

            I know.

            Well, where is "in the know"? Brest at the time of the events was Polish, when the Poles escaped, the Germans occupied it, and returned under contract an old Russian city with a fortress of the USSR, the Brest Fortress fought with the Nazis for more than a month in the rear of the enemy.
            1. pytar
              pytar 23 June 2020 20: 45 New
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              it’s clear that speculation for a fact is issued even in the eye ...

              Speculation, statement or assumption, underestimation of the situation, whatever you want! But the facts are right in your eyes! Fact 1: The USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence. Fact 2: The military doctrine of the KA was offensive! In fact, the USSR invented the “blitzkrieg”. Fact 3: Despite facts 1 and 2, Stalin missed the German attacks on the USSR! Everything did not go as he expected. Fact 4: - As a result, the USSR suffered tremendous human and material losses. At least one of these fundamental facts argues? I conclude from them, you do your own.
              Well, where is "in the know"? Brest at the time of the events was Polish, when the Poles escaped, the Germans occupied it

              Namely, the Germans left immediately after the joint parade with the spacecraft. And they left a few areas, which, by agreement, remained for the Soviets. I also know the history of the Brest Fortress, I was there 10 years ago. And how does all this contradict my previous words about the apple? It just confirms them!
              1. poquello
                poquello 24 June 2020 05: 06 New
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                Quote: pytar
                Fact 1: the USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence.

                nonsense, in general, for any state is preparing for war, but in this case, it also appeared a little from it
                The Soviet-Polish war, 1920. It began on April 25, 1920 with a sudden attack by the Polish troops, which had more than a twofold advantage in manpower (148 thousand people against 65 thousand in the Red Army). By early May, the Polish army went to Pripyat and the Dnieper, occupied Kiev. In May-June, positional battles began, in June-August the Red Army went on the offensive, carried out a number of successful operations (the May operation, the Kiev operation, Novograd-Volynskaya, the July, and Rivne operations) and reached Warsaw and Lviv. But such a sharp breakthrough turned into a separation from the supply units, convoys. The first cavalry army was face to face with superior enemy forces. Having lost many people captives, the Red Army units were forced to retreat. In October, negotiations began, which five months later ended with the signing of the Riga Peace Treaty, according to which the territories of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus were torn away from the Soviet state.


                Quote: pytar
                Fact 4: - As a result, the USSR suffered tremendous human and material losses.

                and how many countries fought in Hitler’s army? Look, the same Danish SS fought, they didn’t collect chamomile tea, but they killed Soviet people with rifles, they were all lost for 5 years and not the first half year.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 24 June 2020 09: 47 New
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                  nonsense, in general, for any state is preparing for war, but in this case, it also appeared a little from it

                  Did I deny this fact? Or are you arguing with yourself again! What is it with you? A strange hobby ... request
                  and how many countries fought in Hitler’s army? Look, the same Danish SS fought, they didn’t collect chamomile tea, but they killed Soviet people with rifles, they were all lost for 5 years and not the first half year.

                  Look for info on the years of the losses of the USSR in WWII. The biggest losses were in the initial period of the war. Due to the surprise attack of Germany, the USSR was not ready, even prepared for 20 years! From that and the rapid occupation of large territories, losses among the civilian population, hundreds of thousands of prisoners from boilers, etc. This is the main mistake of Stalin, an ego fatal mistake!
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 24 June 2020 14: 36 New
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                    Quote: pytar
                    Did I deny this fact?

                    I deny it like butter, all countries are preparing for war
                    Quote: pytar
                    Fact 1: the USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence

                    Quote: pytar
                    USSR was not ready

                    would you even read VO at least, not ready for what?
                    to you here in this post once again copy Litvinov’s telegram?
  • Oleg1263
    Oleg1263 22 June 2020 20: 30 New
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    Quote: pytar
    Here Rottboll is right!

    Do not be lazy, quote from an article by Putin, where he argued that
    Quote: pytar
    only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 June 2020 20: 48 New
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      Not me, but Rottbull disputes Putin's thesis. I only claim that there is such a fact, namely "On January 26, 1934, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland In this particular fact, Rottbell is really right. That's all.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 23 June 2020 13: 00 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Not me, but Rottbull disputes Putin's thesis. I only claim that there is such a fact, namely, "On January 26, 1934, the" Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland "Rottbell is really right in this concrete fact. That's all.

        No, this is not all Boyan! Rottboll is lying! Read direct quotes from the original sources.
        The National Interest :
        In these circumstances, the Soviet Union signed the Non-Aggression Pact with Germany. It was practically the last !!! among the European countries to do so.

        The official website of the President of the Russian Federation (Kremlin.ru):
        In this situation, the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, in fact did so last !!! from European countries.

        Direct links to articles:
        https://nationalinterest.org/feature/vladimir-putin-real-lessons-75th-anniversary-world-war-ii-162982?page=0%2C1
        http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/63527
        1. pytar
          pytar 23 June 2020 15: 48 New
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          Thanks for the links to the original, Andrew! good So far, I have read part of the article, but even in this small part, there are very controversial theses ... Later I will read everything in detail. The initial impression is mixed. This is definitely not a scientific - historical study. hi
  • poquello
    poquello 23 June 2020 00: 00 New
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    Quote: pytar
    On January 26, 1934, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland (Deklaracja między Polsk o a Niemcami o niestosowaniu przemocy) (also called Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland) Two years earlier, namely on July 25, 1932, the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty (Pakt o nieagresji Polska - ZSRR) was signed - an interstate treaty between Poland and the USSR

    storyteller, the contents of the pact of February 25, 1935, please post it)))))))))))))))), especially about giving the German troops a passage to the borders of the USSR
    1. pytar
      pytar 23 June 2020 09: 46 New
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      storyteller,

      poquello everything seems to be normal, but here you are failing ... the transition to personalities indicates the absence of arguments. laughing
      the contents of the pact of February 25, 1935, please post it. Especially about giving German troops a passage to the borders of the USSR

      You have some kind of confusion with dates ... most likely you have in mind the text of the secret agreement to the German-Polish non-aggression pact of January 20, 1935 published on April 26, 1934 in Pravda and Izvestia! Here is the specific text of the document you are talking about:
      "five. The Polish government is committed to ensuring the free passage of German troops through its territory if these troops are called upon to repulse the provocation from the east or from the northeast. ”
      The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them and counted on Germany to help in the event of such a development. The declaration of non-aggression / pact / public itself, there is nothing secret in it. In short - Poland, trying to ensure its security, has concluded non-aggression pacts with neighbors from the East and the West, and has also received allied guarantees from France and Great Britain. Wrong, but that's another topic.
      1. poquello
        poquello 23 June 2020 19: 01 New
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        Quote: pytar
        the transition to personalities indicates the absence of arguments.

        no, to your boorish deceit
        Quote: pytar
        The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them.

        the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR
        Quote: pytar
        despite the non-aggression pact between them

        the date of the pact in any case is later than the agreement with the USSR, which can be considered as a violation of obligations by the Poles
        1. pytar
          pytar 23 June 2020 21: 16 New
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          no, to your boorish deceit

          You did not refute any of the facts presented by me! But due to that you are rude! Okay, everything is clear with you.
          the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR

          How does it indicate? Again statements!
          the date of the pact in any case is later than the agreement with the USSR, which can be considered as a violation of obligations by the Poles

          You can consider it as you like, but not a single member of this treaty contradicts the Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact! Even if some imagination would have seen in the Polish-German treaty "the preparation of aggression against the USSR", Hitler tore it up on April 28, 1939! On September 17, 1939, when the Red Army began military operations against Poland, the Polish-German pact did not exist!
          Finished a dialogue with you, you can not write in response.
          1. Tuzik
            Tuzik 24 June 2020 00: 49 New
            +1
            pytar: "The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them"
            poquello: "the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR"
            That's where all this big dog is buried! )))
            1. poquello
              poquello 24 June 2020 03: 38 New
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              Quote: Tuzik
              pytar: "The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them"
              poquello: "the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR"
              That's where all this big dog is buried! )))

              but it doesn’t even come to a new European comrade; in the course of crap in two different pockets for Europe this is the norm
              1. pytar
                pytar 24 June 2020 09: 50 New
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                but it doesn’t even come to a new European comrade; in the course of crap in two different pockets for Europe this is the norm

                Instead, specific arguments, arguments, from you poquello, again rudeness and blah blah .. laughing
            2. pytar
              pytar 24 June 2020 08: 54 New
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              Andrei, as I understand it, do you emphasize the fact of mutual distrust between these countries, despite the non-aggression pacts? It seems to me that everyone looked at the other as an enemy and tried to stake out a more advantageous position for himself!
              1. Tuzik
                Tuzik 25 June 2020 02: 36 New
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                I'm talking about the whole dog)) About all the disputes. Each word can everyone unscrew as he likes. )))
                1. pytar
                  pytar 25 June 2020 09: 14 New
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                  And there is! You are certainly right! good By the way, GDP 10 years ago, said on this occasion, it was completely different ... He called the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact a conspiracy, and concerning the Baltic states, he also recognized that it was an occupation. By the way, the Russian Federation apologized officially for the event ... Sorry, he got out ... laughing
          2. poquello
            poquello 24 June 2020 04: 05 New
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            Quote: pytar
            You did not refute any of the facts presented by me!

            ett about white and fluffy Poland? )))))))) so it’s not facts but arrogant lies and reinforced by speculation
            № 15

            TELEGRAM OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER
            FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR
            AT THE EMBASSIES OF THE USSR
            IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA AND IN FRANCE

            29 May 1938 city

            According to our knowledge, the patriarch
            Miron agreed in Warsaw on joint actions
            Poland and Romania v. USSR, in case
            attempts of the Red Army to come to the aid of Czechoslovakia.
            This decision will be specifically drawn up
            in Warsaw, where the other day the Romanian leaves
            military delegation led by the chief of staff
            Ionescu. Bring the above to the attention of
            Foreign Minister and ask him
            how he intends to respond to these actions and will take
            whether he is in Warsaw and in Bucharest any
            Steps.

            M. LITVINOV

            Print. by architect



            Quote: pytar
            Even if some imagination would have seen in the Polish-German treaty "the preparation of aggression against the USSR," Hitler tore it up on April 28, 1939!

            yes, he preferred at that time to be friends with the USSR against Poland than with Poland against the USSR
            1. pytar
              pytar 24 June 2020 09: 00 New
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              ett about white and fluffy Poland? )))))))) so it’s not facts but arrogant lies and reinforced by speculation

              poquello, you yourself come up with things that I never said, and then deal with their refutation. laughing For those who are especially dull, I’ll clarify: Poland of Plisudsky can’t be called white and fluffy ... just like the Stalinist USSR.
              yes, he (Hitler) preferred at that time to be friends with the USSR against Poland than with Poland against the USSR

              In politics, there is no such thing as “being friends”. There are always dominant interests.
              1. poquello
                poquello 24 June 2020 15: 10 New
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                Quote: pytar
                poquello, you yourself come up with things that I never said

                what, what did you say?
                I say that the Munich conspiracy and the derban of Czechoslovakia is a much bigger crime and a bigger reason for WWII than the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact
                Quote: pytar
                In politics, there is no such thing as “being friends”.

                stupid to write that the Polish-German pact was not directed against the USSR
                1. pytar
                  pytar 24 June 2020 19: 11 New
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                  what, what did you say?

                  Vision problem? Only 2 lines above are written in my previous koment.
                  I say that the Munich conspiracy and the derban of Czechoslovakia is a much bigger crime and a bigger reason for WWII than the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact

                  How did you weigh them? Will you explain? lol And how do you comment on the fact that there are only 2 countries that have committed full-scale aggression against the country from which they had a non-aggression pact, denouncing it on the very day of the attack? USSR in Poland - September 17, 1939, and Germany in the USSR - June 22, 1941
                  stupid to write that the Polish-German pact was not directed against the USSR

                  And the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact against whom was it directed? Against the Martians? Who attacked whom as a result of all these pacts?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 24 June 2020 20: 26 New
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                    Quote: pytar
                    And the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact against whom was it directed? Against the Martians? Who attacked whom as a result of all these pacts?

                    ) I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 25 June 2020 09: 17 New
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                      I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?

                      You could say that, even though I am more inclined to the term - counterweight policy! Poland, being between two strong expansionist powers, tried to secure itself on both sides, concluding a non-aggression pact on both sides, while simultaneously securing allied negotiations with France and Great Britain. Kka showed the story further, all these contracts did not even cost the paper on which they were written. hi
                    2. poquello
                      poquello 25 June 2020 22: 03 New
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                      Quote: pytar
                      I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?

                      You could say that ...

                      here, but the text from the treaty of the USSR with the Poles 32 years
                      Article 2

                      In the event that one of the contracting parties was attacked by a third state or a group of third states, the other contracting party undertakes not to provide assistance, either directly or indirectly, to the attacking state throughout the entire conflict.

                      If one of the contracting parties undertakes aggression against a third state, then the other party will be entitled to denounce this Agreement without warning.

                      Article 3

                      Each of the contracting parties undertakes not to participate in any agreements that are, from an aggressive point of view, clearly hostile to the other side.
                      .


                      and now remember the aggression of the Poles against Czechoslovakia and the Pact of the Poles with Hitler
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 26 June 2020 14: 43 New
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                      Here is an already reasoned answer! Congratulations! good
                      This is normal. field for dialogue! So...
                      The non-aggression treaties of Poland with the USSR and Germany are the result of the Polsha policy of equidistance from both neighboring states.
                      and now remember the aggression of the Poles against Czechoslovakia and the Pact of the Poles with Hitler

                      You faithfully copied the text of this agreement, but did not bother to find out ego fate further! And there is a lot of interesting things ...
                      On September 23, 1938, the USSR sent a note to Poland, where it stated that any attempt to occupy part of Czechoslovakia by the latter would annul the treaty. Poland nevertheless annexed the Cieszyn region. However, the Soviet government decided not to break the treaty, and October 31 officially confirmed that he (the contract) continues to operate. The same was said in a joint statement of November 27, 1938.
                      In fact USSR 2 times consistently confirmedthat the Nonaggression Pact between Poland and the USSR remains in force! It was in force by September 17, 1939, to the USSR handing a note to the Polish ambassador to the USSR V. Grzhibovsky denounced him! On the morning of the same day, the troops of the Red Army invaded Polish territory.
                      So, whatever you say, the USSR did indeed denounce the non-aggression pact on the same day that the KA attacked Poland! hi
                    4. poquello
                      poquello 26 June 2020 20: 00 New
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                      Quote: pytar
                      So, whatever you say, the USSR did indeed denounce the non-aggression pact on the same day that the KA attacked Poland!

                      had every right
  • sleeve
    sleeve 22 June 2020 16: 47 New
    0
    Yes, everything is fine ... If they howl, it means it hurts. An interesting level of arguments and submission. Homeless people debate more reasonably and less pathos. In this situation, the level of education of the population and its ability to reason play a trick on us. We do not believe that this is counterargument, not clowning. And not right. This level is enough for a networked consumer society.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 22 June 2020 16: 50 New
    -2
    Yeah I am not at all arbeiten in these things - but give me an article here from this portal - for example, I don’t drag a nifig into the Air Force and Navy - I’m throwing it easy for you, I can dispute it in any article here ... Spore - you can lie, they are uncontroversial
    Meaning. gentlemen, we must understand, this, apparently - is not given
  • smaug78
    smaug78 22 June 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    And what is Denmark?
    1. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 22 June 2020 22: 06 New
      -2
      This is such a splinter, which for the second year SP-2 red tape
  • Kibl
    Kibl 22 June 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    Another ushlopok tore his fart at the LGBT banner. I threw another dose of dope and let me scribble any slag. Danish volunteers in the ranks of the Waffen SS VIKING road, noted in the USSR. There were more!
  • Free wind
    Free wind 22 June 2020 16: 59 New
    +3
    C'mon, you are talking about Denmark, today the patriarch is out there, I’ve graduated a bunch, congratulated everyone on the holiday, Putin seems even a little fucked up.
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 22 June 2020 17: 05 New
    +3
    It seems to me that the opinion of a country that surrendered in a couple of hours can be completely neglected ...
  • flicker
    flicker 22 June 2020 17: 07 New
    +1
    He cuts the faces of our "partners" from the truth.
    They sleep and see how they would accuse the USSR of unleashing the WWII, conduct this accusation through the UN General Assembly (where the decision is made by a simple majority), and then arrange a trial of Russia as the legal successor of the USSR, and the police will oblige Russia to pay the poor Europeans for the damage caused to them by the USSR.
    ---
    And according to the current version of the Constitution, we are obliged to comply with international norms and resolutions. They will tell us that we are guilty - and legally we will be obliged to admit this guilt.
    ---
    A hole to them from a donut and ears from a dead donkey. angry
  • Poetry
    Poetry 22 June 2020 17: 10 New
    +1
    Whose cow would mumble, and the Danish one would be silent in a rag. Denmark champion in surrender. She surrendered to Hitler after 6 hours. People woke up in the morning, flags everywhere with a swastika hang.
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 22 June 2020 17: 28 New
      +1
      So all but 16 woke up. It is unlikely that anyone in Denmark would regret it.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 22 June 2020 17: 27 New
    +1
    I am now interested in the personality of the "historian" Sergei Radchenko.
    If he is from Ukrainian nationalists, then this is 1. He will tell how great Ukrainians were: digging the seas and living happily, and Muscovites captured them. And for him, ALL are not bad Ukrainians. There were, are and will be.
    If anti-adviser then-2 option. Respect for B. N. Yeltsin and such V.V. will be BAD. Options 3,4 and many more are possible, but one of them ALL UNITES: DRAW OUR HISTORY, and Putin, as a bad boy, must be flogged.!
    With what pleasure they would flog Putin now
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 June 2020 17: 39 New
    +3
    A strange author - there has long been a consensus among Western historians that Munich has untied Hitler's hands. And the “Munich agreements” - have long become their own name for the capitulation, temporary pacification of the aggressor.
    1. anjey
      anjey 22 June 2020 17: 43 New
      +2
      Truth will grow out of the grain of truth.
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 22 June 2020 17: 47 New
    0
    This RadchenkaO apparently had an ancestral Bandera, which this Danish booby still wanted to hear from him.
    1. Yaro Polk
      Yaro Polk 22 June 2020 17: 49 New
      0
      By the way! There are also archived photos where Danish police officers are zigzagging like Nazi soldiers apparently as a sign of respect. and on all administrative buildings, the Danish flag is adjacent to the 3 REICH flag quite amicably.
  • demo
    demo 22 June 2020 17: 57 New
    +1
    Here is the beginning of the article.
    "75 years have passed since the Great Patriotic War ended. Several generations have grown over the years. The political map of the planet has changed. No Soviet Union, which won a grandiose, crushing victory over Nazism, saved the whole world. And the events of that war, even for it participants, the distant past, but why is Russia celebrated on May 9 as the most important holiday? And on June 22, life seems to freeze and a lump rolls to the throat?

    It is customary to say: the war left a deep mark in the history of every family. Behind these words are the fates of millions of people, their suffering and the pain of loss. Pride, truth and memory. "
    And where are even the words of lies?
    Although perhaps the phrase "saved the whole world" caused disapproval?
    Maybe it would be more convenient for the Dane to remain a subject of the Nazi Germany with the Ausweis in his pocket?
    Only I doubt that he would have been born.

    Judging by the photo of this guy, his father and mother were mixed with uncomfortable blood.
    And they had the opportunity to fall under the influence of racial laws of Germany (at best - sterilization of a man and a woman, at worst - a camp, if before that they had not come under pogroms).
  • bbss
    bbss 22 June 2020 18: 01 New
    +2
    In Denmark, everything decayed during the time of Hamlet. Mouth alone ... beat yapping.