"9 thousand words of lies": in Denmark reacted to Putin's article

An article in Russian magazine The National Interest by Russian President Vladimir Putin is "a mixture of warped facts and outright lies that sow discord and provoke evil rebuffs." This statement was made in an article for the Danish edition of Berlingske by an author named Emil Rottböll.

According to the author of the article, Putin wrote an article about World War II with a length of 9 thousand words, of which there is not a single truthful one, all of them are lies. It was Putin’s own interpretation of the war, and the article itself was prepared in advance and released specially for the celebration of the 75th anniversary of World War II, a parade in honor of which will be held on June 24.

Rottboll, calling the material of the President of Russia "9 thousand words of lies," emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims. Moreover, he draws on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

Putin is completing his historical observation call for objectivity. But this article itself is far from objective. She whitewashes key events and misinterprets historical evidence for fake claims

- he quotes the words of Radchenko.

In addition, Putin’s allegations that only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany are a lie, Poland signed the same pact.

The author, again referring to Radchenko, states that the meeting in Munich in September 1938, when France and Great Britain agreed to annexation by Hitler of the part of Czechoslovakia where ethnic Germans lived, was an important milestone on the road to war, but does not make any comparison in comparison with the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak division, while the Soviet Union divided Poland with Germany.

If Putin were a historian, this article would never have been peer-reviewed. But he is not a historian. He simply sets out ideological stereotypes in support of his superficial claims to greatness - after all, he is trying to immortalize his rule. I put "unsuccessful"

- Rottboll quotes the words "historian from Cardiff."

Comments

[Woodman]

is "a mixture of distorted facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebukes." With such a statement in an article for the Danish edition

But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.

According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.

Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops pass through its territory to protect Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the safety of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.

[Trevis]

They say so, it means that Putin said everything correctly.

[NIKN]

Well, a new specialist in history

"renowned historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

How can he not believe that? There are no other specialists :) But just take and, in addition to Putin's article, read Churchill's "World War II", already in three volumes, as the Danish historian did not bother. That Winston clearly describes this fact and exactly as his GDP interprets ...

[Hunter 2]

And about the Heroic defense of Denmark from the German invaders - The author did not say anything ??? As many as two hours - held the defense! They even killed the Two aggressors, having lost 13 Fighters!
Or about eight thousand Danes - who fought in the SS Viking division? Or about 125 thousand Danish miners working in German mines?
Well, about the fact that little Denmark supplied the Reich with enough food to feed 8.6 million Germans ...
It’s straightforward that any “evil spirits” from Pravda are corrected, more such articles need to be published ... and links to archival documents!

[Tatyana]

Rottboll, calling the material of the President of Russia "9 thousand words of lies," emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich conspiracy of France and Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims. Moreover, he draws on the allegations of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

Putin concludes his historical observations with a call for objectivity. But this article itself is far from objective. She whitewashes key events and misinterprets historical evidence for fake claims

- he quotes the words of Radchenko.

I saw and listened to such students and graduate students as the author of Rottböll, the parrots of the work of my leaders, at n / a conferences without counting.
It is good when they had a leader in science that was really worthwhile, and not like the student himself. Students then just feel sorry.
A penny for an article by Rottbull and SHADOW to historian Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales, the conclusions of which Rottboll obsequiously leads!

Rottbull needs to be completely wooden to compare access to the historical archives of the state of some Sergey Radchenko there with the head of the country V.V. Putin!

In addition, we know the singers Nikolai and Sergey Radchenko, the boxer Sergey Radchenko, and the historian Sergei Radchenko does not even give out the Internet!

So let the false historian Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales dry up with his "bad" Putin!

[Shurik70]

Perhaps after such an advertisement I will read the article ...

[Slon_on]

Yes, they defended themselves very heroically - in Copenhagen, residents stood in the streets and "looked gloomily as Wehrmacht soldiers walked through the city."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

They even killed the Two aggressors, having lost 13 Fighters!

They did not want to defend their country, but together with Hitler the 24th SS Danmark grenadier regiment atrocities in our country. There were 456 Danes in Soviet captivity, of whom 35 died in custody. 6 years ago in the Sinimäe region (Estonia) we discovered the remains of seven SSman in the trench and a MG-42 machine gun, two of them were Danmark from the Danmark SS. And now they open their mouths. So who attacked whom?

[Zug]

Take away the valuable and piss buried back

[Gunter prereen]

They were very worried about several million laying hens. What a defense here. Chickens could suffer.

[Aitvaras]

I agree that the Danes fought weakly during WWII with the Nazi occupiers, without comparing, for example. with the brave Finns in the Winter War in 1939-40. with how they fought against the Soviet liberators, but then, when the Germans began to destroy the Jews of Denmark, the Danes risking their lives on fishing boats, pleasure yachts began the rescue of the Jews of Denmark to Sweden. The Germans tried to prevent this, and if the ship was detained with Jews in the Strait, the Danes were shot, but despite this, most of Dani's Jews were saved. I agree with the statement about the bravery of the Danish SS division, they also boldly fought for example. and the Cossacks from the Russian SS division, for their courage and valor on the battlefield during the Second World War, the most distinguished Cossacks were awarded the highest military awards of Germany.

[Zug]

The Finns in 18-22 also tried to "liberate" My Karelia, and they also demanded the Kola Peninsula. So there is no need to talk about "brave" Finns there.

[pmkemcity]

The key phrase -

According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the partition of Czechoslovakia, while the Soviet Union divided Poland with Germany.

It turns out that if Britain and France were not allowed to partition Poland, then this is not a fair division.

[Eug]

And who prevented Britain and France from fighting, rather than waiting and sitting out after Hitler’s attack on Poland? And before the attack, send plenipotentiary delegations to Moscow for negotiations, not extras?

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Eug

And who prevented Britain and France from fighting, rather than waiting and sitting out after Hitler’s attack on Poland? And before the attack, send plenipotentiary delegations to Moscow for negotiations, not extras?

[Kazbek]

Lieutenant Radchenko!

[Vicontas]

But such articles as in Denmark are the result of ALL the POLICY of the Russian authorities over the past 25 years! Starting with the admission of the USSR's guilt for Katyn, when first Yeltsin and then Putin knelt in front of the Poles and bowed their heads admitting guilt for the fake! And ending with memorial plaques to Mannerheim - the builder of concentration camps for the Russians during the war! And in films about the war, the heroes are "Bastards", "Penal battalion" and other fairy-tale characters! And real characters, such as Stalin, Zhukov and others - are depicted as caricatures and enemies of their country! And the evidence of Victory - the Mausoleum is shyly draped! That is, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT ITSELF IS THE FIRST CAUSE of the fact that such pygmies like Denmark are trying to spoil the country! Because the one who has distorted the history of his country for decades cannot demand from others that they tell the truth!

[gvozdan]

What did you personally do to prevent all of the above from happening? Or did all this happen with your tacit consent?

It may and will require, and your country’s permission is not required.

[Alexfly]

There are different views on the war: from headquarters and from the trench on the front line ..... different things, I think ..

[Ilya-spb]

And I guessed what kind of historian Radchenko is!

This is the "cunningly hidden" Rodchenkov!

The secret is revealed.

[RUSS]

Quote: Trevis

They say so, it means that Putin said everything correctly.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in his article "Real Lessons from the 75th Anniversary of World War II" for the conservative American magazine The National Interest, used a non-existent quote from the leader of Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler.

[K-612-O]

It’s worth remembering that in the west of Germany during the attack on Poland there were 23 (!) Divisions, and the Anglo-French troops in Alsace had 121 divisions, all this could be solved in a few months, take Berlin and a point, but they smoked bamboo. And did not notice the war in Poland. And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

[DenZ]

Quote: K-612-O

And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

Everything is much more "scary" -
In general, the operation to occupy Denmark took several hours, the losses of the German army amounted to 2 soldiers killed and 10 wounded, and 12 armored vehicles, 4 tanks and one Heinkel He 111 bomber were damaged or destroyed. Danish casualties amounted to 16 soldiers killed and 20 wounded.
Now the descendants of these Heroes are unhappy with the truth.

[cat Rusich]

Let's recall the fighting on the island. Greenland. Briefly: Governor Fr. Greenland after the occupation of Denmark, asked the United States through the Danish Ambassador to the United States to protect Fr. Greenland from the encroachments of "third countries", the United States back in 1940 announced the protection of Fr. Greenland. The first about. Greenland tried to attack Norway under the leadership of Quisling - they sent a ship with 3 saboteurs, which was intercepted by the US Navy, the saboteurs were arrested. Then for Fr. The Kriegsmarine Dönitz took over Greenland - a meteorological expedition was sent (2 expeditions were landed directly on Greenland, 1 disappeared at sea, 1 was intercepted by the allies, 1 successfully operated at sea until the end of WWII). In the first expedition, as a result of clashes with the "Sled patrol" (from the word SANI) organized by the governor, Fr. Greenland to search for enemy landings - 1 resident of Fr. Greenland of Danish origin (the Eskimos helped, but refused to kill anyone), the "Sled patrol" was defeated, but the Kriegsmarine expedition was discovered and forced to flee. The second meteorological expedition of the Kriegsmarine was also discovered and, as a result of the battle, lost its "Military leader", and was again forced to flee. The Greenlanders as best they could, but DEFENDED their island, suffered losses (1 killed for about a hundred inhabitants of Danish origin) and killed the invaders (1 killed German lieutenant). This information was taken from uralweb.ru - a video called "Greenland Army against the Kriegsmarine" - it will be interesting to see.

[thinker]

And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

Two HOURS "fought"!

В 5:15 units of the 170th Infantry Division and the 11th Rifle Brigade crossed the Danish-German border] and launched an offensive ... 7:20 Danish King Christian X ordered the Danish Armed Forces to cease resistance.

[Avior]

It is worth remembering that in the west of Germany during the attack on Poland there were 23 (!) Divisions, and the English-French troops in Alsace had 121 divisions

Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: K-612-O

And Denmark surrendered in 2 days, plainly and without fighting.

If 2 days

But in 1942, the six-thousandth Danish SS corps, consisting of former Danish troops, fiercely fighting near Demyansk, lost 80% of its personnel on the eastern front. Under the sticks of German stewards, the Vikings for the first time during the war showed steadfastness and heroism, but already on the side of the enemies of mankind.

[Vrungeli]

Quote: Lesovik

But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be watered with mud

Now the supporters of the West, the Rottbelly students

[Tatyana Pershina]

Do not ... Do not catch up. It is necessary to read an article in order to tweet something, and in it (an article) as many as 9 thousand words! What Rottbull head can comprehend so many beeches?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lesovik

is "a mixture of distorted facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebukes." With such a statement in an article for the Danish edition

But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.

According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.

Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops pass through its territory to protect Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the safety of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.

There was no need to make films like "Burnt by the Sun" and insert Solzhenitsyn into school textbooks. Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twins.

[CSKA]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

When and who from our government said this?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: CSKA

When and who from our government said this?

It will take a long time to poke around in all the vyser about the "crimes of the Stalinist regime." Analyze the films about the war, made in our country over the past 30 years. Read the amendments, in particular Article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the President. Solidarism is officially becoming the ideological foundation of Russia's power.

[CSKA]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Poking around for a long time

Why am I not surprised.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Analyze films about the war, made with us over the past 30 years.

And since when did screenwriters and directors come to relate to the government and leadership of the country?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Read the amendments, in particular article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the president.

So what? How:
The new version of the Constitution contains article 75.1: “The Russian Federation creates conditions for sustainable economic growth of the country and increase the well-being of citizens, for the mutual trust of the state and society, guarantee the protection of the dignity of citizens and respect for the person of work, ensure the balance of rights and obligations of the citizen, social partnership, economic, political and social solidarity. ”
Refers to:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Solidarism officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian government.

Let's guess. You cannot give examples of solidarity either.

[Silhouette]

And since when did screenwriters and directors come to relate to the government and leadership of the country?

Ever since they began to take off their opuses with funds taught by the state of gaming companies.

[CSKA]

Quote: Silhouette

Ever since they began to take off their opuses with funds taught by the state of gaming companies.

That is, in your opinion, Vysotsky, Ryazanov and Sholokhov were also in power in the USSR?

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Lesovik

is "a mixture of distorted facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebukes." With such a statement in an article for the Danish edition

But who would doubt that Putin’s article would be muddy. For the western version of history, this article is like a sickle on ... Faberge products.

According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section.

Yeah. they blessed this section. And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to let Soviet troops pass through its territory to protect Czechoslovakia. But options were proposed that the French and British troops on its territory would guarantee the safety of Poland from "excesses" by the Soviet troops.

There was no need to make films like "Burnt by the Sun" and insert Solzhenitsyn into school textbooks. Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twins.

and you got five pluses. For communism and fascism are twin brothers. I am like you .... This time, unfortunately, the gunpowder did not remain. Only walk with a cane. And then in a day. Communism and fascism are one for you. Ah tyzh.

[Alex Justice]

Communism and fascism. The difference is only in ideology. The bottom line is a total dictatorship.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Alex Justice

Communism and fascism. The difference is only in ideology. The bottom line is a total dictatorship.

You read Mein Kampf, the works of Mussolini, then read the works of V.I. Lenin, K. Marx I.V. Stalin, figure out what "democratic centralism" is. Perhaps you will then stop writing all sorts of nonsense.

[tatarin1972]

There are no such authors in the training manual according to which they talk. These "citizens or citizens" cannot really understand the reality, not that history, knowledge and intelligence are not enough to assess.

[Silhouette]

I read everything and everyone. Communism is a paradise for everyone on the planet (impossible in one country), national socialism is a paradise for one nation (Aryan). Fascism is a paradise for Italians. Democratic centralism is a paradise for manipulators .... Then what?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Silhouette

Democratic centralism is a haven for manipulators ....

What did you have in your social studies school?

[begemot20091]

here they are the victims of the exam. Following the above comparisons regarding fascism and communism, I will say: "victim of the exam = victim of abortion"

[Magnat231]

And capitalism, this is grace you want to say, look at the United States, and do not have people brain, wise guy

[AU Ivanov.]

If you look at the Scandinavian countries, at the same Denmark, then yes - their capitalism is sheer grace.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Grim Reaper

and you got five pluses. For communism and fascism are twin brothers. I am like you .... This time, unfortunately, the gunpowder did not remain. Only walk with a cane. And then in a day. Communism and fascism are one for you. Ah tyzh.

Fascism was "invented" by capitalist society just to fight communism. With amendments to the constitution on solidarity, justification of Musolini, admiration for Pinochet, lower education levels, and the building of a police state, our government, in my opinion, is preparing to build such a "society" based on modern analogues of the "union of the Russian people." This worries me tremendously. I have never said that communism and fascism are one and the same, it is not. I regret that I may not have expressed myself clearly enough, and from my post you made a similar conclusion.

[Tank hard]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

in my opinion, prepares the construction of such a "society", based on modern analogues of the "union of the Russian people"

Are you seriously?! Are they going to rely on Orthodox radicalism, anti-Semitic ideas, monarchism ?! You made me laugh!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Tank Hard

Are you seriously?! Are they going to rely on Orthodox radicalism, anti-Semitic ideas, monarchism ?! You made me laugh!

I’m not sure about anti-Semitism, but I can rely on myself for Orthodox radicalism, solidarism, which, incidentally, now, after the adoption of amendments, officially becomes the ideological basis of the Russian authorities.

[Tank hard]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

but on Orthodox radicalism, solidarity, which, incidentally, now, after the adoption of the amendments, officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian authorities, they can quite rely on themselves.

After the closure of the temples during the so-called. "pandemics" contrary to the wishes of the Orthodox believers and a significant part of the priests. as well as the "digitalization" of the country, which was supported by the GDP and which is disgusting to believers, everything that you have written about the Orthodox is impossible. IMHO.

[RUSS]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Fascism was "invented" by capitalist society just to fight communism

The ideological roots of fascism date back to 1880 and, in particular, to the Fin de siècle theme of that time [32]. This topic was based on the opposition to materialism, rationalism, positivism, bourgeois society and democracy. This intellectual school considered man a part of a larger community and condemned the rationalistic individualism of the liberal public and the breakdown of social ties in bourgeois society.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Our government itself says that communism and fascism are twin brothers.

They do not speak, but are trying to inspire our children and grandchildren, through films like "Stalingrad" and "Burnt by the Sun". They are trying to remove our heroic history of the 20th century from the life of the younger generation. ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

They do not speak, but are trying to inspire our children and grandchildren, through films like "Stalingrad" and "Burnt by the Sun". They are trying to remove our heroic history of the 20th century from the life of the younger generation. ...

Wait, they and the state, according to Musolini’s patterns, will try to build. Read the amendments, in particular article 75.1 in the wording proposed by the president. Solidarism officially becomes the ideological foundation of the Russian government.

[begemot20091]

ek you, my friend, grabbed if there were enough money, then Bondarchuk would send a company of gays to "Stalingrad", and, having finished writing the script, sent lesbians to the military hospital, to lick the soldiers' stresses

[Siberian54]

Not from tacit, there was an agreement between France, England and Poland about not allowing the Red Army to enter Czechoslovakia, it will end in 50 years (although they violated this agreement by announcing the "secret articles" of the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR) the agreement of the winning countries to close the prewar archives The Foreign Ministry will open the Foreign Ministry archives of the Western countries and the Russian Federation for one hundred and twenty-five years, and a lot of shit will float there.

[Thunderbringer]

From Ukraine chtol?

[tatarin1972]

With Brovar, probably, with 72 central training centers.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasya Petrov

what kind of articles Putin has, he can’t connect two words, she must have dashed the mustachioed nanny of the sand, but again, as always, it turned

Vasya Petrenko, this is the Russian state, not the outskirts, and it is not for you to decide what the president of Russia says.

[Bagatur]

I missed the Polsha Red Army in 1938 and then the same thing happened to her that in 1945 ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bagatura

I missed the Polsha Red Army in 1938 and then the same thing happened to her that in 1945 ...

What so, what a way, but it turned out to be a ba in the camp of winners.

[Sergey Zhikharev]

An increase in territory at the expense of Germany or what?

[K-612-O]

The ancestors of this talent seem to have served in Gottland or Odin, since he was so bombed.

[Bullba]

Well, as much as you can, at least give a link, otherwise I’ll have no shit.

[Thrall]

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[tralflot1832]

It is necessary to publish the number of Danes who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. And if I am not mistaken, they were all in the troops of the S. Golovoreza were still those. By June 24, we will not even hear it.

[Pereira]

Only prisoners in the 45th were counted 457. Over 10 years, of these, 35 fins were glued together.
Our system of execution of punishment for fascist henchmen turned out to be incredibly mild.

[AU Ivanov.]

We, unlike Hitler, complied with the Geneva Convention, which we did not even sign. Again, unlike Hitler.

[Pereira]

But none of the enlightened Europeans appreciated this. For whom did you try?

[AU Ivanov.]

For my conscience. We are not European wild animals.

[Pereira]

Because time after time we lose. And they will rise, they will wash their fermented muzzle, and they will laugh at us. Type suckers. And here we are, handshakes, if we remove the skin without thinking.

[Pereira]

And yet, after a long discussion, he came to the conclusion that they could not do otherwise.
By the way, these are the recollections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs25lOuMFC0

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tralflot1832

.And if I am not mistaken they were all in the SS troops.

You are not mistaken - "Danmark", later "Nordland". And yes, along with other rabble from the "northern neighbors" were noted near Leningrad.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

And if I’m not mistaken, they were all in the SS troops.

And in the Kriegsmarine and in the Wehrmacht, and even there were 9 pilots. Our shooter has matured everywhere, but not in the defense of his homeland. Although they killed one German infantryman and one motorcyclist, they did damage something, but they fought for "uncle adik" as they did not fight for their own mother. And in the SS they were accepted as persons of the German nation.

[Bykov.]

Still, this Danish journalist, and the whole collective West, like Putin’s words. Who would be pleased to hear this to himself? And even when he himself had long ago convinced himself that you are a white and fluffy Danish rabbit.

[To be or not to be]

On April 9, 1940, Denmark fell two hours after the start of the German Wehrmacht operation.

[Junior Private]

This is embarrassing for them to admit.

[Pereira]

But Germany was abundantly supplied with food. These photos cannot be found on the Internet. But I recall how I saw WWII in History.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pereira

But Germany was abundantly supplied with food. These photos cannot be found on the Internet. But I recall how I saw WWII in History.

There is no photo, but the data are available. From December 11, 1940, under an agreement with Germany, Danish industry (268 enterprises) began to produce products for the German Armed Forces: diesel engines for submarines, spare parts for aircraft, explosives, uniforms, footwear. 50 Danish construction companies (60 workers) took part in fortification work on the Atlantic coast (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway). For the needs of the Wehrmacht, agricultural products from Danish farmers were supplied. From April 000 until the end of March 1940 alone, Germany received 1941 tons of butter, 83 tons of pork, 668 tons of beef, 159 tons of eggs and 686 tons of herring.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: tihonmarine

For the needs of the Wehrmacht, agricultural products from Danish farmers were supplied. From April 1940 until the end of March 1941 alone, Germany received 83 tons of butter, 668 tons of pork, 159 tons of beef, 686 tons of eggs and 97 tons of herring.

but .... did not help !!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

but .... did not help !!

It didn’t help, but the German from Danish grubs didn’t crack. Gobbled up.

[cat Rusich]

In Denmark, under the Germans, arms factories worked without interruption (remember the Madsen machine gun) and even until 1942 they legally sold their products abroad to "third countries" (for example, the Suomi PP system for the Swedish police).

[hydrox]

How does this global litter for all feel like a white and fluffy rabbit ??
Only after being drugged is drugged with drugs, varnishing it with marijuana.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bulls.

Still, this Danish journalist, and the whole collective West, like Putin’s words.

It would be better if this "hack" remembered the murdered children by the Danish SS-men near Demyansk and Nevel.

[Igor Borisov_2]

In doing so, he relies on the statements of the "famous historian" Sergey Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales

And who is that? Another Suvorov ???

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Igor Borisov_2

"famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales

Another homeless man who fled to the west, devouring leftovers from the master's table.

[businessv]

for the Danish edition of Berlingske, an author named Emil Rottböll spoke.

The author's name is still so-and-so, but the surname is clearly obscene! And what else could a person with such a surname write? This is ironic, of course, but what else can you expect from our "Western partners"? They don't need the truth, they need reasons to find fault with Russia and everything connected with it!

[To be or not to be]

Sergey Radchenko
Orientalist, professor at the University of Cardiff (Wales), and most importantly, where he found https://echo.msk.ru/guests/816900-echo/

[businessv]

Quote: To be or not to be

Sergey Radchenko Orientalist, professor at Cardiff University

Neither the name nor the place of work convinces of its objectivity in relation to our history. Thank you for the link, a source from the same cohort!

[nikon7717]

You see how they all relate there to the oral cavity. Then they have Roth..ter..dam a tourist attraction in Holland, then Roth ..t..b.ell got out ..
It seems that they in the surname mixed up a couple of letters in places, or missed one E. Otherwise, everything becomes clear for the Russian language

[Same lech]

All historians can be classified by their relation to the Munich agreement with Hitler ...
if the so-called historian begins to gently move away from discussing this complicity of Western leaders with Hitler’s aggressive policy ... then it’s clear that he is not a historian but an interested person who is in no way a historical scholar.
Facts and only facts are crucial ... what bitter significance they would not have for understanding the events that took place.
Westerners today are trying to erase and destroy all these facts so that no one knows the truth of past years.
Therefore, we now have to lead on the Internet and social networks on their sofas fierce battles to preserve our history and ultimately for our existence.

[To be or not to be]

"According to the author of the material, Putin wrote a 9-word article about World War II .."
Everything is clear with the author - instead of reading, he considered the letters .. However. diagnosis...

[codetalker]

Already rooting ... That's right, all 9000 words are false)

[Junior Private]

Not everything is safe in the kingdom of Denmark. In the heads.

[AU Ivanov.]

Denmark? This, incidentally, is not the country whose army valiantly, already as much as 5 hours, resisted the Nazi invasion? Until their bicycles were taken away.
Is this not a country whose citizens enjoyed serving in the SS Danmark Division?

[bar]

Denmark is the country that, disregarding the interests of its allies in the European Union, on the instructions of its striped owners, pounded Nord Stream-2. Already 75 years have passed, and as they changed the occupation zone of the Germans to the zone of the Naglo-Saxons, they still exist in it. It is strange to expect from these loyal servants of the State Department any thoughts other than those of their masters. Moreover, Mr. "Radchenko of Cardiff University in Wales" has already written how to speak.

[yfast]

Interestingly, can he prove that all 9000 words are false? Or for a red word blurted out?

[nikon7717]

Of course it can. He has garbage in his mouth. Read by name. Rot.t. (missed letter) Böll. Well, then options with other missing letters

[syndicalist]

Almost rottenberg

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

There are wonderful people in the West, I do not understand how they can not understand, make mistakes and lie when all the rubbish COMES FROM THEM. They do not even want to give thought to others who coughed up their "truth" with their blood. I had a thousandths of a chance to be born, like many of our other people. Such people will simply "hide" these lovers of truth next time. How can one not understand this? In fact, such words are a declaration of war. I understand why North Korea threatens to destroy everyone who encroaches on its borders, even the most powerful. There have long been those in the world who, for fear, want to destroy everyone and everything, starting with a homemade coronavirus.

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

All wars are conceived in the West and subtly draw a single logical line by people who pathologically cannot refuse it. What does the USSR have to do with it? All democracy of those times consists of the destruction of all that interfere with the rule and annihilation of others. Just destroy and nothing more. A pathology that is still successful. When will it end?

[Odysseus]

Well, the fact that in the West they will not accept any other version of history other than the one in which the USSR and Stalin personally are to blame, but also a little more Hitler regarding the issue with the Jews, is an obvious thing. And in this context, it was completely not worth throwing beads in front of pigs. The result, of course, will be zero.
But the political meaning of the article is not in this - it is in the desire of Mr Putin to preserve the remnants of the Yalta world order and, accordingly, the role of the Russian Federation (as the legal successor of the USSR) in this world order. At least as a junior partner. Therefore, Putin turned, of course, not to the "Western public", but to the American establishment. The problem here is that, despite all their grandiose struggle among themselves, both ideological currents in the United States, both globalists and imperialists, are not inclined to preserve the post-war world order. On the contrary, they seek to break it down. Each in its own way, but break down.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Rottboll stresses that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich agreement between France and Great Britain with Hitler in 1938, and not the 1939 non-aggression pact between Stalin and Hitler. However, this is a lie, the author claims.

ingeniously, the tiger was released from the cage and the caretaker was not to blame, and the visitor offered to bang him right away

[Olddetractor]

The number of Danish volunteers in the SS troops was almost equal to the pre-war number of the Danish army.
The Danes served in the standards of the SS Nordland (216 people) and Nordwest (transferred to the corps), in the Danish Volunteer Corps -1896 people. On the basis of this, in the spring of 1943 the volunteer tank and grenadier regiment of the SS Danmark was formed - 1386 people; another 700 people served in the Zeeland SS security battalion formed from the Schalburg corps (analogous to the German SS in Denmark).
Together with the Danes, it is customary to take into account the ethnic Germans of North Schleswig (who had Danish citizenship). As of the end of 1943, there were 1292 of them in the SS troops.
In accordance with the foregoing, the number of Danish filed in the SS troops could not exceed 6000 people.
Ponomarenko R.O., Zalessky K.A., Semenov K.K. SS troops without signature stamp - M .: Veche, 2010

[tatra]

Those who justify the Munich agreement justify Hitler and those who complain that the USSR did not have the right to return the Russian lands captured by the White Poles during the Civil War in Russia, this proves that they are for Hitler, that they would like Hitler captured the whole of Poland.

[AU Ivanov.]

And here I completely agree with you. To return their lands is sacred. Plus, push the border aside, otherwise Hitler aggression began 300 km closer to Moscow and almost 900 closer to Peter. The Munich agreement is God with him, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was beneficial, first of all, to the USSR.

[syndicalist]

I can imagine how the local community will rejoice when China decides to support the views on the history of our leader and "push" its border to the Urals

[Olddetractor]

Quote: tralflot1832

It is necessary to publish the number of Danes who fought on the side of Nazi Germany. And if I'm not mistaken, they were all in the SS troops

The number of Danish volunteers in the SS troops was almost equal to the pre-war number of the Danish army.
The Danes served in the standards of the SS Nordland (216 people) and Nordwest (transferred to the corps), in the Danish Volunteer Corps -1896 people. On the basis of this, in the spring of 1943 the volunteer tank and grenadier regiment of the SS Danmark was formed - 1386 people; another 700 people served in the Zeeland SS security battalion formed from the Schalburg corps (analogous to the German SS in Denmark).
Together with the Danes, it is customary to take into account the ethnic Germans of North Schleswig (who had Danish citizenship). As of the end of 1943, there were 1292 of them in the SS troops.
In accordance with the foregoing, the number of Danish filed in the SS troops could not exceed 6000 people.
Ponomarenko R.O., Zalessky K.A., Semenov K.K. SS troops without signature stamp - M .: Veche, 2010

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

However, this is a lie, the author claims. In doing so, he relies on the statements of the "famous historian" Sergei Radchenko from Cardiff University in Wales.

I almost fell out of a chair from laughter.
I could recommend the author to read one really famous historian, a Nobel laureate in the field of literature and, by the way, also the Prime Minister of Great Britain. This, of course, is about Winston Spencer Churchill, whose assessment DIRECTLY CONFIRMS Putin's article on the role of the Munich conspiracy in unleashing WWII.
But I won’t - there are as many as six volumes, the author will die from overvoltage

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I could recommend the author to read one really famous historian, a Nobel laureate in the field of literature and, by the way, also the Prime Minister of Great Britain. This, of course, is about Winston Spencer Churchill, whose assessment DIRECTLY CONFIRMS Putin's article on the role of the Munich conspiracy in unleashing WWII.

It is solvable. Pass in Minisprav:

Churchill's memoirs wrongly rewrite Munich from top to bottom

Comrade Winston has to cope with this task.

[lis-ik]

I recalled this parable about a boy and wolves. In Putin’s article about the Second World War, it’s certainly true, but after all his lies, and to your own people, by captivity you will divide by ten.

[St Petrov]

to share the land with the gozman in the sandbox - the ceiling of the opposition strategist, I think.

[lis-ik]

Quote: c-Petrov

to share the land with the gozman in the sandbox - the ceiling of the opposition strategist, I think.

Petrov suggest waiting until the fall. And then, look at the situation in the country, then we'll talk about the opposition. Although I think they will not wait so much.

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, everything will be fine in the fall, as well as last and others

[St Petrov]

Petrov suggest waiting until the fall.

#SOON

Putyara and Rasko vsio (s)

[senima56]

It turns out that this Rottbell also counted all the words in the article!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: senima56

It turns out that this Rottbell also counted all the words in the article!

I wonder how many words Rottbull had enough to criticize, 500-1000. The dumbass vocabulary is extremely limited.

[Micfoster]

While I was counting words, there was no time to delve into the meaning of words!

[poquello]

just some du-ra-chok from Denmark. Munich conspiracy and capture of part of Czechoslovakia gave Hitler not frail industrial plants

[Alex Justice]

England and France calmly watched as Hitler arms himself, despite the ban on the results of 1 MV.
And what prevented Hitler from attacking when he attacked Poland?

[Mavrikiy]

Rottboll emphasizes that the main idea of ​​the "Putin article" was the assertion that war became inevitable after the Munich agreement between France and Great Britain with Hitler in 1938,

Didn’t he go to school, where does Putin come from? Everything has long been known. Putin did not reach the idea of ​​organizing WWII to the United States. It is a pity, although the publication obliges.

[K-50]

Published in the American magazine The National Interest, an article by Russian President Vladimir Putin is "a mixture of distorted facts and outright lies, sowing discord and provoking evil rebukes."

This is called "the truth hurts." So they are outraged.

[Cyril G ...]

that the meeting in Munich in September 1938, when France and Great Britain agreed to Hitler’s annexation of the part of Czechoslovakia where ethnic Germans lived, was an important milestone on the road to war, but can not be compared with the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the Czechoslovak section, t

The author Emil Rottböll pretty burns out. No blazes. But why forget about Poland? The division of Czechoslovakia is the reason for direct participation in the event of England and France.

[knn54]

To the well-known in narrow circles orientalist Radchchenko a couple of (so far) questions:
Is he aware that the border with Poland was not along the "Curzon Line", as agreed, but much to the east?
Why declaring war on Hitler after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the Allies did not even lift a finger to save it?
Regarding the Danes, I will say in Shevchenko's words:
"Glorious great-grandfathers, great filthy great-grandchildren."
Although (judging by history) among the Vikings the biggest "scumbags".

[Micfoster]

Is it hard to read W. Churchill's memoirs? Or “historians from Cardiff haven’t heard of them?” Churchill wrote that “Western democracies are to blame for unleashing the war.” Perhaps Churchill is now also a liar?

[Reserve buildbat]

England and France did not participate in the partition of Czechoslovakia. They ensured this section by stupidly betraying Czechoslovakia. Allies, their mother, "The Great Pile of Garbage." And now some idiots are trying to challenge this HISTORICAL FACT. Not to mention the fact that some Danish woman writes. What is Denmark? A hole in the map. Did she resist Germany? I don’t remember. But she plowed for the "thousand-year Reich" in the Stakhanov way.

[Vasyan1971]

I put "bad"

What a nightmare! Where to go?

[TAMBU]

The under-education from Denmark uses data 25 years ago
Here is the criticism ...

[kriten]

The descendants of those who faithfully served Hitler will always be unhappy with the victory. Even today they consider him an idol.

[parusnik]

Logically, this is to be expected. They seized on all the misappropriations and defaults in the article.

[anjey]

SS Battalion "Denmark"
Who is Denmark during Hitler to listen to their lying absurdities? These are not Putin's postulates, but the historical old truth attached by a mass of facts.

[anjey]

The thing is that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and Danes-the Nazis drove well into the ground ...

[Ru_Na]

How does the West take root when we start talking about an uncomfortable truth for them! We are doing everything right, do not forget the lessons of the past in order to prevent their repetition in the future!

[pytar]

In addition, Putin’s allegations that only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany are a lie, Poland signed the same pact.

Here Rottboll is right! On January 26, 1934, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland (Deklaracja między Polska a Niemcami o niestosowaniu przemocy) (also called the Non-aggression Treaty between Germany and Poland). Two years earlier, namely on July 25, 1932, the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty (Pakt o nieagresji Polska - ZSRR) was signed - an interstate agreement between Poland and the USSR, initially for a period of 3 years, but already extended on May 5, 1934 until December 31 1945 year.
Hitler tore the non-aggression treaties with Poland unilaterally on April 28, 1939, and on September 1, 1939 Germany attacked Poland! On September 17, 1939, the Red Army also began military operations against Poland, denouncing the non-aggression pact on the same day. Germany did the same on June 22, 41, already with the USSR!
In fact, by April-September 1939, Poland had non-aggression treaties with both states attacking it!
Here it must be honestly acknowledged that the Act, contrary to all agreements linking Poland and the USSR, was a secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 23, 1939, which provided for the actual liquidation of Poland by the Third Reich and the USSR.

[parusnik]

Please tell me ... You in your comment so logically described everything. Maybe you can also logically talk about the Munich Agreement (this is in your opinion, in our agreement). And why England and France did not agree with the USSR to create a bloc to confront Germany. By the way, after the Munich agreements were signed.

[pytar]

Please tell me ... You in your comment so logically painted everything.

Dear Alexey, I quote the fact as they are.

Can you just as logically talk about the Munich Agreement (this is in your opinion, in our agreement).

In my opinion, it’s more accurate to call the ego A CONSENT! Because, did not reckon with Czechoslovakia! There are different opinions about the reasons. Some consider: 1). Western powers hoped that having received the Sudetenland, Hitler would catch up and the threat of a new war would disappear. Others believe that 2). thus the West, dragged Germany to the USSR. For the West, Nazi revanchist Germany, striving for world domination, and the Bolshevik USSR with its ideology, were equally dangerous enemies.

And why England and France did not agree to an agreement with the USSR on creating a bloc to confront Germany.

There are also many versions. One of them is the ones mentioned above 1). and 2). Another - Western countries were not ready to give Stalin what he could get from Hitler. And no one in the West believed that the antagonistic ones - the USSR and Germany, could agree among themselves!

[parusnik]

Ahhhhhh .... many versions .... But according to the Moscow treaty and the treaty of non-attack between the USSR and Poland, you have one version

[pytar]

But according to the Moscow treaty and the treaty of non-attack between the USSR and Poland, you have one version

If you read it carefully, you will see that there I write only about facts. Generally speaking, there was no question of any version! By the way, there are also a lot of them.

[parusnik]

I appreciated your facts and the Munich conspiracy is a fact and not the conclusion of an alliance between England and France with the USSR a fact .... but from your point of view there are many versions ...

[pytar]

I appreciated your facts, but the Munich agreement was a fact and not a conclusion of an alliance between England and France with the USSR a fact .... but from your point of view there are many versions ...

I also appreciated yours! They are like mine - facts! It is impossible to confuse with versions! These are different things! I mentioned the facts, and you essentially asked about the versions! They are based on different views and assessments of facts. There are a great many of them. I have quoted some of them.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

I mentioned the facts

wherever you mentioned "facts" are my minuses, first figure it out with the facts

[pytar]

wherever you mentioned "facts" are my minuses, first figure it out with the facts

hello to the minusers! from the minuses, the facts will not become less facts.

[Yury Siritsky]

They personally told you this. At first they themselves conspired with Hitler, hoping that he would trample on the USSR and not touch them. But they were counted a little.

[pytar]

They told you that personally.

Neither I nor you personally were told. Well, except if you are not a psychic and communicate with their souls ...

At first, they themselves conspired with Hitler, hoping that he would trample on the USSR and not touch them. But they were counted a little.

In fact, every one miscalculated! Franco-British - that they will not trample on. Hitler - what will conquer the world. Stalin - that Hitler would not attack on June 22, 41, it cost more than two tens of millions the lives of Soviet citizens.

[anjey]

Anglo-French two-faced politics and the Munich agreement were the forerunner of World War II ..... And the germ is Anschluss of Austria.

[pytar]

Anglo-French two-faced politics and the Munich agreement were the forerunner of World War II ..... And the germ is Anschluss of Austria.

Undoubtedly, from the current point of view, this is so. But before the occupation of Czechoslovakia, Hitler's actions looked primarily like an aspiration to unite the territories inhabited by ethnic Germans.

13.01.1935 g. Joins the Saar / referendum /.
March 1936 demilitarization of the Rhine region.
March 13.03.1938, XNUMX unites Austria / referendum /.
October 1-10.10.1938, XNUMX is annexed by the Sudetenland / Munich Agreement /.
23.03.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX the city of Memel region agreement with Lithuania.
By itself, the Germans ’stereizh will unite their ethnic lands quite normal, understandable. The Munich agreement, in this order, does not look like something criminal. The ruling politicians in the West believed that this would end and that there would be no big war. Wrong ... Having got the German range into our own hands, Hitler took the next step .... expansion in all directions.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

October 1-10.10.1938, XNUMX is annexed by the Sudetenland / Munich Agreement /.
23.03.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX the city of Memel region agreement with Lithuania.
In itself, the Germans ’stirrup will unite their ethnic lands quite normal, understandable. Munich agreement, in that order doesn't look like something criminal.

4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))

[pytar]

4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))

Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands. The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined. With this, it seems, all the rules. But then, they really stupidly watched as Hitler swallowed the whole Czech Republic. The policy of appeasement failed ...

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

4 countries actually gave the go-ahead for the fifth Derban))))))))))))))

Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands. The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined.

there is no need to distort the facts, the Paris conference is primarily a conference, but with the dominance of the winners of the WWI but the conference and not the decisions of the countries of the winners, respectively, a couple of countries from the winners had no right to give the right.

[pytar]

no need to distort the facts

Let’s figure out who is distorting what!
My:

Gave the right to Germany will annex ethnic German lands.

Your:

accordingly, a pair of countries from the winners had no right to give the right.

Can you read? I am stating a fait accompli! Nowhere do I claim to have had or not such a right! This is what you say, you say, you think so!
Moving on:
My:

The borders of Czechoslovakia, after the WWII, they determined.

FACT: The borders of Czechoslovakia after WWI were determined by France and Great Britain. As a result, a quarter of the population of the republic turned out to be compactly resident ethnic Germans.

Your:

the Paris conference is primarily a conference, but with the dominance of the winners of the WWI but a conference and not decisions of the countries of the winners

Sleepy statement! So what? How does it "cancel" the facts ?! I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Erema! Do you know what is the difference between facts and statements? The statements can be different, they can be picked as you like, but you can't argue with the facts!

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

FACT: The borders of Czechoslovakia after WWI were determined by France and Great Britain.

and besides inflamed speculation will there be arguments? achieved at the conference but ....
The borders of the new republic were determined at the Paris Peace Conference. Smoke history textbook, members see. ))) but this is actually the right to give the right about which you "did not write"))))))).

Quote: pytar

Can you read? I am stating a fait accompli! Nowhere do I claim to have had or not such a right!

just read "given the right" whose is this?

[pytar]

The borders of the new republic were determined at the Paris Peace Conference.

Who participated in the Paris Conference from the countries of the winners? France, UK, Italy and the USA! The same as in the Munich agreement, only without the United States.

Smoke history textbook, see members.

poquello, I don’t know that you are a smoker and that you look, but obviously it is something unhealthy ...

just read "given the right" who is it?

Again, for those who are particularly dull, I explain - "they gave the right, they allowed." This is actually done. Whether they had such rights or not, I never stated!

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

Who participated in the Paris Conference from the countries of the winners? France, UK, Italy and the USA!

you’ll be yelling again that you’re not lying because they really participated only except for them there were countries
Japan, Belgium, Romania, Serbia, Portugal, China, Nicaragua, Liberia, Haiti.
The newly formed states - Poland, Czechoslovakia and a bunch more.

Quote: pytar

Again, for those who are particularly dull, I explain - "they gave the right, they allowed." This is actually done. Whether they had such rights or not, I never stated!

But why then did the winners recall the definition of boundaries? )))))))))))))

[pytar]

you’ll be yelling again that you’re not lying because they really participated only except for them there were countries

poquello, Paris conference, these are several different negotiation processes, separate agreements. The one who belongs to Czechoslovakia is called Saint-Germain MD. A lot of countries were present at the Paris Conference, but the agenda was determined by France, Great Britain, Italy and the USA. By the way, the United States did not sign it, but signed a separate agreement with Austria.

But why then did the winners recall the definition of boundaries?

Moreover, the borders of Czechoslovakia, both in 1919 and in 1938, were determined by almost the same heavyweights! It turns out in fact that the United Kingdom, France and Italy in 1919 gave Czechoslovakia those lands with the German population, and in 1938 they returned them back to the Germans. What is still incomprehensible to you ?!

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

The Paris Conference, these are several different negotiation processes, separate agreements. The one who belongs to Czechoslovakia is called Saint-Germain MD

and why did you say that?

The Saint-Germain peace treaty was signed on September 10, 1919 between the United States, Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Belgium, China, Cuba, Greece, Nicaragua, Panama, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Serbo-Croatian-Slovenian state, Siam, Czechoslovakia, on the one hand, and Austria, on the other.

tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.

[pytar]

and why did you say that?

So that you make a difference between the countries "decisive" and "present". Cuba and Ecuador did not decide the fate of the borders, although they were there too ...

tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.

And who says they had the right ??? They thought so, since they did it! The Germans returned under the Germans, having crossed the state border along the ethnic border. You think differently, but they forgot to ask you.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

tch nikago no heavyweights had the right to return anything to the Germans, they committed and were allowed to commit an illegal act, fact.

And who says they had the right ??? They thought so, since they did it!

here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.

[pytar]

here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.

Here two fundamental principles of international law come into conflict - the inviolability of borders / sovereignty / and the right to self-determination of nations. By the way, it was recognized at the Paris Peace Conference. Sudeten Germans made several attempts to organize the referendum, but the Czechoslovak authorities did not allow it. The accession of the Sudetenland to Germany can be interpreted in different ways - annexation, separatism or the right to self-determination, it all depends on the point of view. There is an analogy with Crimea and Donbass. The difference is that Czechoslovakia, although under pressure, has signed the Munich Agreement, and Ukraine has never recognized the annexation of Crimea to Russia.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

here. Violated the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia.

Here two fundamental principles of international law come into conflict - the inviolability of borders / sovereignty / and the right to self-determination of nations.

not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )

[pytar]

not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )

Your meaning is incomprehensible to me. Explain what you mean?

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

not, do not enter, self-determination of ALL Czechoslovak nations? )

Your meaning is incomprehensible to me. Explain what you mean?

self-determination of the Polish minority and Rusyns as Hungarians)))))))

[anjey]

How many secret unspoken agreements and betrayals did Munich bring in 1938 ???

[pytar]

How many secret unspoken agreements and betrayals did Munich bring in 1938 ???

I am inclined to believe that all future problems and the inevitability of 2MB are rooted in the clauses of the Versailles Treaty.

[anjey]

Do not forget the ideological contradictions of communism and capitalism and, as always, political, economic and ideological geopolitics and competition. Hitler bribed the German political and economic elite with his terry anti-communism. They knew how and in what way, he would revive and enrich Germany.

[pytar]

Yes, this is the place to be! You are right, Andrey!

[Tuzik]

Quote: pytar

On September 17, 1939, the Red Army also began military operations against Poland, denouncing the non-aggression pact on the same day. Germany did the same on June 22, 41, already with the USSR!

Well, it’s understandable with the Germans, they didn’t want to scare them away, but what prevented ours from denouncing the agreement before?

[pytar]

Well, it’s understandable with the Germans, they didn’t want to scare them away, but what prevented ours from denouncing the agreement before?

Stalin was cunning! According to the idea of ​​the Mollot-Ribentrop Pact, Poland should have ceased to exist. It was a conspiracy of two dictatorial regimes to partition a neighboring country. But Stalin did not want to look like an aggressor in the eyes of the world! Even after the Wehrmacht's invasion of Poland, he hesitated, waiting for the moment when the Polish government would lose control of the situation. This is literally a text from the USSR note from September 17! Though the USSR was cunning when handing over to the Polish government a note in which it insisted that "it is incapable"! Serving a note means recognizing the legal status of this government! In the end, everyone blamed Hitler, France and Great Britain declared war on him, not Stalin!

[Tuzik]

I’m talking about something else, why didn’t they denounce the agreement earlier, as with Japan? It would have looked better, but it would hardly have affected the resistance of the Poles. Was Stalin hesitating? Until the 17th?

[pytar]

I think I have already explained. I’ll say more clearly: If you pre-denounce a contract, it looks like you’d come from an alien tree with a stick! To blame! And when at the last moment, it’s like an apple falls itself, you just grabbed it! Tipo not to blame!
With Japan, there was no need for such tricks. Situations from 39g. and 45g. totally different.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

Stalin was cunning

) is this a fact?

Quote: pytar

Even after the Wehrmacht invasion of Poland, he hesitated, waited for the moment when the Polish government would lose control of the situation.

but the fact, and the agreement with Germany, did not allow the Germans to wait at the old borders, by the way in the know that the Germans were rolling back their troops according to this agreement?

[pytar]

Is this a fact?

The fact is obvious! by June 22, 41 even outwitted himself ...

but the fact and the agreement with Germany made it possible not to wait for the Germans at the old borders

allowed! But Stalin waited until the apple itself fell into her hands!

By the way, I know that the Germans were rolling back their troops under this treaty

I know.

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

Is this a fact?

The fact is obvious! by June 22, 41 even outwitted himself ...

it is clear, speculation for a fact is issued even in the eye ...))))))))))))))

Quote: pytar

but the fact and the agreement with Germany made it possible not to wait for the Germans at the old borders

allowed! But Stalin waited until the apple itself fell into her hands!

By the way, I know that the Germans were rolling back their troops under this treaty

I know.

Well, where is the "in the know"? Brest at the time of the events was Polish, when the Poles fled, the Germans occupied it, and returned under contract an old Russian city with a fortress of the USSR, the Brest Fortress fought with the Nazis for more than a month in the rear of the enemy.

[pytar]

it’s clear that speculation for a fact is issued even in the eye ...

Speculation, statement or assumption, underestimation of the situation, whatever you want! But the facts are right in your eyes! Fact 1: The USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence. Fact 2: The military doctrine of the spacecraft was offensive! In fact, the "blitzkrieg" was invented in the USSR. Fact 3: Despite facts 1 and 2, Stalin missed the German attacks on the USSR! Everything did not go as he expected. Fact 4: - As a result, the USSR suffered tremendous human and material losses. At least one of these fundamental facts argues? I conclude from them, you do your own.

Well, where is the "in the know"? Brest at the time of the events was Polish, when the Poles fled its Germans occupied

Namely, the Germans left immediately after the joint parade with the spacecraft. And they left a few areas, which, by agreement, remained for the Soviets. I also know the history of the Brest Fortress, I was there 10 years ago. And how does all this contradict my previous words about the apple? It just confirms them!

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

Fact 1: the USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence.

nonsense, in general, for any state is preparing for war, but in this case, it also appeared a little from it

The Soviet-Polish war, 1920. It began on April 25, 1920 with a sudden attack by the Polish troops, which had more than a twofold advantage in manpower (148 thousand people against 65 thousand in the Red Army). By early May, the Polish army went to Pripyat and the Dnieper, occupied Kiev. In May-June, positional battles began, in June-August the Red Army went on the offensive, carried out a number of successful operations (the May operation, the Kiev operation, Novograd-Volynskaya, the July, and Rivne operations) and reached Warsaw and Lviv. But such a sharp breakthrough turned into a separation from the supply units, convoys. The first cavalry army was face to face with superior enemy forces. Having lost many people captives, the Red Army units were forced to retreat. In October, negotiations began, which five months later ended with the signing of the Riga Peace Treaty, according to which the territories of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus were torn away from the Soviet state.

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Fact 4: - As a result, the USSR suffered tremendous human and material losses.

and how many countries fought in Hitler’s army? Look, the same Danish SS fought, they didn’t collect chamomile tea, but they killed Soviet people with rifles, they were all lost for 5 years and not the first half year.

[pytar]

nonsense, in general, for any state is preparing for war, but in this case, it also appeared a little from it

Did I deny this fact? Or are you arguing with yourself again! What is it with you? A strange hobby ...

and how many countries fought in Hitler’s army? Look, the same Danish SS fought, they didn’t collect chamomile tea, but they killed Soviet people with rifles, they were all lost for 5 years and not the first half year.

Look for info on the years of the losses of the USSR in WWII. The biggest losses were in the initial period of the war. Due to the surprise attack of Germany, the USSR was not ready, even prepared for 20 years! From that and the rapid occupation of large territories, losses among the civilian population, hundreds of thousands of prisoners from boilers, etc. This is the main mistake of Stalin, an ego fatal mistake!

[poquello]

Quote: pytar

Did I deny this fact?

I deny it like butter, all countries are preparing for war

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Fact 1: the USSR was preparing for a great war from the beginning of its existence

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USSR was not ready

would you even read VO at least, not ready for what?
to you here in this post once again copy Litvinov’s telegram?

[Oleg1263]

Quote: pytar

Here Rottboll is right!

Do not be lazy, quote from an article by Putin, where he argued that

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only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany

[pytar]

Not me, but Rottbull disputes Putin's thesis. I only claim that there is such a fact, namely "On January 26, 1934, the" Declaration on the Non-Use of Force "was signed between Germany and Poland In this particular fact, Rottbell is really right. That's all.

[Dym71]

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Not me, but Rottboll disputes Putin's tezzah. I only assert that there is such a fact, namely, "On January 26, 1934, between Germany and Poland, a" Declaration on the Non-Use of Force "was signed. In this particular fact, Rottböll is really right. That's all.

No, this is not all Boyan! Rottboll is lying! Read direct quotes from the original sources.
The National Interest :

In these circumstances, the Soviet Union signed the Non-Aggression Pact with Germany. It was practically the last!!! among the European countries to do so.

The official website of the President of the Russian Federation (Kremlin.ru):

In this situation, the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, in fact did so last !!! from European countries.

Direct links to articles:
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/vladimir-putin-real-lessons-75th-anniversary-world-war-ii-162982?page=0%2C1
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/63527

[pytar]

Thanks for the links to the original, Andrew! So far, I have read part of the article, but even in this small part, there are very controversial theses ... Later I will read everything in detail. The initial impression is mixed. This is definitely not a scientific - historical study.

[poquello]

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On January 26, 1934, the Declaration on the Non-Use of Force was signed between Germany and Poland (Deklaracja między Polsk o a Niemcami o niestosowaniu przemocy) (also called Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland) Two years earlier, namely on July 25, 1932, the Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty (Pakt o nieagresji Polska - ZSRR) was signed - an interstate treaty between Poland and the USSR

storyteller, the contents of the pact of February 25, 1935, please post it)))))))))))))))), especially about giving the German troops a passage to the borders of the USSR

[pytar]

storyteller,

poquello everything seems to be normal, but here you are failing ... the transition to personalities indicates the absence of arguments.

the contents of the pact of February 25, 1935, please post it. Especially about giving German troops a passage to the borders of the USSR

You have some kind of confusion with dates ... most likely you have in mind the text of the secret agreement to the German-Polish non-aggression pact of January 20, 1935 published on April 26, 1934 in Pravda and Izvestia! Here is the specific text of the document you are talking about:
"five. The Polish government is committed to ensuring the free passage of German troops through its territory if these troops are called upon to repulse the provocation from the east or from the northeast. ”
The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them and counted on Germany to help in the event of such a development. The declaration of non-aggression / pact / public itself, there is nothing secret in it. In short - Poland, trying to ensure its security, has concluded non-aggression pacts with neighbors from the East and the West, and has also received allied guarantees from France and Great Britain. Wrong, but that's another topic.

[poquello]

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the transition to personalities indicates the absence of arguments.

no, to your boorish deceit

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The text indicates that Poland was afraid of aggression by the USSR, despite the non-aggression pact between them.

the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR

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despite the non-aggression pact between them

the date of the pact in any case is later than the agreement with the USSR, which can be considered as a violation of obligations by the Poles

[pytar]

no, to your boorish deceit

You did not refute any of the facts presented by me! But due to that you are rude! Okay, everything is clear with you.

the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR

How does it indicate? Again statements!

the date of the pact in any case is later than the agreement with the USSR, which can be considered as a violation of obligations by the Poles

You can consider it as you like, but not a single member of this treaty contradicts the Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact! Even if some imagination saw in the Polish-German treaty "preparation of aggression against the USSR", Hitler tore it up on April 28, 1939! On September 17, 1939, when the Red Army began military action against Poland, the Polish-German pact did not exist!
Finished a dialogue with you, you can not write in response.

[Tuzik]

pytar: "The text indicates that Poland feared aggression from the USSR, despite the existing non-aggression pact between them"
poquello: "the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR"
That's where all this big dog is buried! )))

[poquello]

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pytar: "The text indicates that Poland feared aggression from the USSR, despite the existing non-aggression pact between them"
poquello: "the text indicates collusion and preparation of aggression against the USSR"
That's where all this big dog is buried! )))

but it doesn’t even come to a new European comrade; in the course of crap in two different pockets for Europe this is the norm

[pytar]

but it doesn’t even come to a new European comrade; in the course of crap in two different pockets for Europe this is the norm

Instead, specific arguments, arguments, from you poquello, again rudeness and blah blah ..

[pytar]

Andrei, as I understand it, do you emphasize the fact of mutual distrust between these countries, despite the non-aggression pacts? It seems to me that everyone looked at the other as an enemy and tried to stake out a more advantageous position for himself!

[Tuzik]

I'm talking about the whole dog)) About all the disputes. Each word can everyone unscrew as he likes. )))

[pytar]

And there is! You are certainly right! By the way, GDP 10 years ago, said on this occasion, it was completely different ... He called the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact a conspiracy, and concerning the Baltic states, he also recognized that it was an occupation. By the way, the Russian Federation apologized officially for the event ... Sorry, he got out ...

[poquello]

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You did not refute any of the facts presented by me!

ett about white and fluffy Poland? )))))))) so it’s not facts but arrogant lies and reinforced by speculation

№ 15

TELEGRAM OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER
FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR
AT THE EMBASSIES OF THE USSR
IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA AND IN FRANCE

29 May 1938 city

According to our knowledge, the patriarch
Miron agreed in Warsaw on joint actions
Poland and Romania v. USSR, in case
attempts of the Red Army to come to the aid of Czechoslovakia.
This decision will be specifically drawn up
in Warsaw, where the other day the Romanian leaves
military delegation led by the chief of staff
Ionescu. Bring the above to the attention of
Foreign Minister and ask him
how he intends to respond to these actions and will take
whether he is in Warsaw and in Bucharest any
Steps.

M. LITVINOV

Print. by architect

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Even if some imagination saw in the Polish-German treaty "preparation of aggression against the USSR", Hitler tore it up on April 28, 1939!

yes, he preferred at that time to be friends with the USSR against Poland than with Poland against the USSR

[pytar]

ett about white and fluffy Poland? )))))))) so it’s not facts but arrogant lies and reinforced by speculation

poquello, you yourself come up with things that I never said, and then deal with their refutation. For those who are especially dull, I’ll clarify: Poland of Plisudsky can’t be called white and fluffy ... just like the Stalinist USSR.

yes, he (Hitler) preferred at that time to be friends with the USSR against Poland than with Poland against the USSR

In politics, there is no such thing as "being friends." Interests always prevail there.

[poquello]

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poquello, you yourself come up with things that I never said

what, what did you say?
I say that the Munich conspiracy and the derban of Czechoslovakia is a much bigger crime and a bigger reason for WWII than the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact

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In politics, there is no such thing as "being friends."

stupid to write that the Polish-German pact was not directed against the USSR

[pytar]

what, what did you say?

Vision problem? Only 2 lines above are written in my previous koment.

I say that the Munich conspiracy and the derban of Czechoslovakia is a much bigger crime and a bigger reason for WWII than the Molotov-Rebentrop Pact

How did you weigh them? Will you explain? And how do you comment on the fact that there are only 2 countries that have committed full-scale aggression against the country from which they had a non-aggression pact, denouncing it on the very day of the attack? USSR in Poland - September 17, 1939, and Germany in the USSR - June 22, 1941

stupid to write that the Polish-German pact was not directed against the USSR

And the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact against whom was it directed? Against the Martians? Who attacked whom as a result of all these pacts?

[poquello]

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And the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact against whom was it directed? Against the Martians? Who attacked whom as a result of all these pacts?

) I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?

[pytar]

I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?

You could say that, even though I am more inclined to the term - counterweight policy! Poland, being between two strong expansionist powers, tried to secure itself on both sides, concluding a non-aggression pact on both sides, while simultaneously securing allied negotiations with France and Great Britain. Kka showed the story further, all these contracts did not even cost the paper on which they were written.

[poquello]

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I don’t understand, do you agree that the Polish-German pact was directed against the USSR, the Soviet-German pact against Poland, and the Soviet-Polish pact against Germany?

You could say that ...

here, but the text from the treaty of the USSR with the Poles 32 years

Article 2

In the event that one of the contracting parties was attacked by a third state or a group of third states, the other contracting party undertakes not to provide assistance, either directly or indirectly, to the attacking state throughout the entire conflict.

If one of the contracting parties undertakes aggression against a third state, then the other party will be entitled to denounce this Agreement without warning.

Article 3

Each of the contracting parties undertakes not to participate in any agreements that are, from an aggressive point of view, clearly hostile to the other side..

and now remember the aggression of the Poles against Czechoslovakia and the Pact of the Poles with Hitler

[pytar]

Here is an already reasoned answer! Congratulations!
This is normal. field for dialogue! So...
The non-aggression treaties of Poland with the USSR and Germany are the result of the Polsha policy of equidistance from both neighboring states.

and now remember the aggression of the Poles against Czechoslovakia and the Pact of the Poles with Hitler

You faithfully copied the text of this agreement, but did not bother to find out ego fate further! And there is a lot of interesting things ...
On September 23, 1938, the USSR sent a note to Poland, where it stated that any attempt to occupy part of Czechoslovakia by the latter would annul the treaty. Poland nevertheless annexed the Cieszyn region. However, the Soviet government decided not to break the treaty, and October 31 officially confirmed that he (the contract) continues to operate. The same was said in a joint statement of November 27, 1938.
In fact USSR 2 times consistently confirmedthat the Nonaggression Pact between Poland and the USSR remains in force! It was in force by September 17, 1939, to the USSR handing a note to the Polish ambassador to the USSR V. Grzhibovsky denounced him! On the morning of the same day, the troops of the Red Army invaded Polish territory.
So, whatever you say, the USSR did indeed denounce the non-aggression pact on the same day that the KA attacked Poland!

[poquello]

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So, whatever you say, the USSR did indeed denounce the non-aggression pact on the same day that the KA attacked Poland!

had every right

[sleeve]

Yes, everything is fine ... If they howl, it means it hurts. An interesting level of arguments and submission. Homeless people debate more reasonably and less pathos. In this situation, the level of education of the population and its ability to reason play a trick on us. We do not believe that this is counterargument, not clowning. And not right. This level is enough for a networked consumer society.

[Cowbra]

Yeah I am not at all arbeiten in these things - but give me an article here from this portal - for example, I don’t drag a nifig into the Air Force and Navy - I’m throwing it easy for you, I can dispute it in any article here ... Spore - you can lie, they are uncontroversial
Meaning. gentlemen, we must understand, this, apparently - is not given

[smaug78]

And what is Denmark?

[Harry cuper]

This is such a splinter, which for the second year SP-2 red tape

[Kibl]

Another shlёpok tore his farts on the LGBT banner. Threw in another dose of dope and let him scribble any slag. Danish volunteers in the ranks of the Waffen SS "VIKING", noted in the USSR. Those were still!

[Free wind]

C'mon, you are talking about Denmark, today the patriarch is out there, I’ve graduated a bunch, congratulated everyone on the holiday, Putin seems even a little fucked up.

[Fedorovich]

It seems to me that the opinion of a country that surrendered in a couple of hours can be completely neglected ...

[flicker]

He takes away the faces of our "partners" from the truth.
They sleep and see how they would accuse the USSR of unleashing the WWII, conduct this accusation through the UN General Assembly (where the decision is made by a simple majority), and then arrange a trial of Russia as the legal successor of the USSR, and the police will oblige Russia to pay the poor Europeans for the damage caused to them by the USSR.
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And according to the current version of the Constitution, we are obliged to comply with international norms and resolutions. They will tell us that we are guilty - and legally we will be obliged to admit this guilt.
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A hole to them from a donut and ears from a dead donkey.

[Poetry]

Whose cow would mumble, and the Danish one would be silent in a rag. Denmark champion in surrender. She surrendered to Hitler after 6 hours. People woke up in the morning, flags everywhere with a swastika hang.

[Tuzik]

So all but 16 woke up. It is unlikely that anyone in Denmark would regret it.

[Astra wild]

I am now interested in the personality of the "historian" Sergei Radchenko.
If he is from Ukrainian nationalists, then this is 1. He will tell how great Ukrainians were: digging the seas and living happily, and Muscovites captured them. And for him, ALL are not bad Ukrainians. There were, are and will be.
If anti-adviser then-2 option. Respect for B. N. Yeltsin and such V.V. will be BAD. Options 3,4 and many more are possible, but one of them ALL UNITES: DRAW OUR HISTORY, and Putin, as a bad boy, must be flogged.!
With what pleasure they would flog Putin now

[Krasnodar]

A strange author - there has long been a consensus among Western historians that Munich has untied Hitler's hands. And the “Munich agreements” - have long become their own name for the capitulation, temporary pacification of the aggressor.

[anjey]

Truth will grow out of the grain of truth.

[Yaro Polk]

This RadchenkaO apparently had an ancestral Bandera, which this Danish booby still wanted to hear from him.

[Yaro Polk]

By the way! There are also archived photos where Danish police officers are zigzagging like Nazi soldiers apparently as a sign of respect. and on all administrative buildings, the Danish flag is adjacent to the 3 REICH flag quite amicably.

[demo]

Here is the beginning of the article.
"75 years have passed since the Great Patriotic War ended. Several generations have grown over these years. The political map of the planet has changed. There is no Soviet Union, which won a grandiose, crushing victory over Nazism, saved the whole world. And the very events of that war, even for it participants, distant past. But why is May 9 celebrated as the most important holiday in Russia? And on June 22 - life seems to freeze. And a lump rolls up to your throat?

It is customary to say: the war left a deep mark in the history of every family. Behind these words are the fate of millions of people, their suffering and the pain of loss. Pride, truth and memory. "
And where are even the words of lies?
Although maybe the phrase "saved the whole world" caused disapproval?
Maybe it would be more convenient for the Dane to remain a subject of the Nazi Germany with the Ausweis in his pocket?
Only I doubt that he would have been born.

Judging by the photo of this guy, his father and mother were mixed with uncomfortable blood.
And they had the opportunity to fall under the influence of racial laws of Germany (at best - sterilization of a man and a woman, at worst - a camp, if before that they had not come under pogroms).

[bbss]

In Denmark, everything decayed during the time of Hamlet. Mouth alone ... beat yapping.

[Stone Head]

...war became inevitable much earlier... in 1933-35... when European and American industrialists placed their bets on Hitler... and began to pump him up with finances and authority... that he would first go to Russia already there was no doubt...

[meandr51]

He's right about the partition. Only Germany and Poland participated in it. England and France simply gave Hitler the green light to seize the Sudetenland without even asking Czech President Benes. Negotiations took place WITHOUT HIM! And Poland acted as an ally of Nazi Germany, banning the flight of Soviet aircraft to protect Czechoslovakia. Therefore, the Munich Agreement is truly incomparable with the Soviet-German Pact. In fact, the “Western democracies” gave the Rhineland, Austria, all of Czechoslovakia and Poland to Hitler without lifting a finger to stop the Nazis. Only the USSR, since 38, offered its troops for a joint war with the Reich. Since no one agreed to their use, including Poland, all the “democracies” generally refused to fight Hitler, they themselves are to blame for the start of the war and the seizure of their own countries. The USSR only warned Hitler where the border of his interests was, for which he would fight. Not only was he not obliged to fight for Poland from September 1.09.39, 1920, but he also could not due to the frenzied political resistance of Poland itself. When Poland ceased to exist, the USSR took back what it had taken from it in XNUMX.
But England and France simply spat on Poland, although they were obliged to begin military operations against Germany in accordance with the agreement with it. They acted with truly French cynical wit: they declared war on Germany, but did not fight. Although, together with Poland, they could well have slammed Hitler at that stage. The USSR wanted this, but could not. They could, but they didn't want to. In fact, they silently agreed with Hitler, opening the way for him to the East. For which they paid. I have the impression that they will still pay...

[Daniilr]

As always, no sensible arguments. By the way, has anyone opened the archives besides Russia? Is it really like with Boeing: everything is too secret? Or do they only have evidence of the existence of aliens?

[kimlykvp]

Whose cow would moo, and Danish cow would be silent! Who licked Hitler’s ass and provided him with food for five years? Maybe they made an invaluable contribution to the victory over fascism? It would be better to write about this.

[Finches]

Sometimes I, being a pensioner who does not wipe his tights, asked, what kind of..... is this Emil Rottböll? On the parade ground they answered me normally, but for the wording on the Internet they banned me!

[cniza]

It's our turn , but he gave a start to the whole flock of jackals, which are now rushing...

[Andrey VOV]

Let him remember the Danish SS units....here it’s immediately clear, but it hurts his eyes, you bastards

[cniza]

If Putin were a historian, this article would never have been peer-reviewed. But he is not a historian. He simply sets out ideological stereotypes in support of his superficial claims to greatness - after all, he is trying to immortalize his rule. I put "unsuccessful"

This gentleman with a difficult surname is funny.

[Serwid]

Quote: Grim Reaper

Communism and fascism are the same for you. Oh tyzh.

Well, it was Maria Zakharova who said that: “Stalin is worse than Hitler.”

[Irina.]

Not at all a surprising reaction to a disconcertingly honest article: Denmark fought on the side of the Nazis. The descendants of fascists, raised by fascists, are also fascists. And you can’t expect any other reaction from them. But the story doesn’t change depending on who likes it and who doesn’t. When the Americans seize Greenland from Denmark for glass beads, it will be very interesting to see the reaction of its representatives.

[Horn]

Here's how to understand it?

In addition, Putin’s allegations that only the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression agreement with Germany are a lie, Poland signed the same pact.

And here is a quote from Putin’s article itself: “in the current situation, the Soviet Union signed a Non-Aggression Treaty with Germany, in fact, it was the last European country to do so. Moreover, against the backdrop of a real danger of facing a war on two fronts - with Germany in the west and Japan in the east , where intense fighting was already taking place on the Khalkhin Gol River."

[I will tell]

Why did the author need to advertise a neo-fascist? Maybe for a certain bribe? After all, this author of the lampoon is unknown, neither in Denmark nor anywhere else, he is nobody and his name cannot be called.

[Sibguest]

Hmmm ...
Compatriots, are you really so offended by the words of some deranged VRott...e...bell?
It’s completely indifferent to me, in the sense of being monopenisual.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

What did these gentlemen hope for? The fact that Putin does not have in his archives the protocols of those years that prove his every word? These gentlemen are used to sucking everything out of thin air....... Putin doesn’t work like that...... For every word he says, there is evidence! Highly Likely doesn't work here!

[2 Level Advisor]

Emil Rottbøll - who is this? City madman of Copenhagen? Why does he speak for all of Denmark? Why should anyone be interested in his opinion at all?

[tank64rus]

And I was wondering when they would scream. It even became boring.

[Old warrior]

Pot calls the kettle black. Be silent, Nazi collaborators! On your knees, bastards, and repent, repent, repent...Including financially. Russian tourists should be served free of charge and at the highest level.

[Awaz]

The Danes fought voluntarily on Hitler’s side and under the flags of the SS.
Also, it is worth recalling that the same USA, at a time when the Germans were freely bombing London and spreading the French and British across the European swamps, did not declare war on Hitler and, moreover, continued to supply the German industry with equipment and raw materials. And even when Hitler himself declared war on the United States in December 41, economic cooperation continued until the end of the war. It quieted down a little after '43, when they realized that Gitrer was a kaput. And then I would have to answer uncomfortable questions from those who would turn Hitler’s head.
Putin is right about who invented and unleashed the Second World War. And now, all that was screaming was fascism, which came out again.

[TatarinSSSR]

So what? Who is this author of this summary? Fuck him. And once again ugh. Yes, dust. Who cares about his opinion?!

[Ryaruav]

in this case I personally am for

[DeKo]

The Danes are complete liars. Last year, their prime minister said that Denmark made a very big contribution to the victory over fascism

[cradle]

two Wehrmacht soldiers were killed out of fright.

[Sparapet78]

The comments are, of course, rubbish: the Danes didn’t fight, 2 of them died in the war, they were captured in 2 hours, he’s not a historian at all, etc.... VV doesn’t seem to be a historian, but he writes articles with a claim to the truth, as if history is impossible rewrite))) it has been rewritten and will always be rewritten, you need to relax and treat history as folklore. And what kind of left-wing debate is this - who is to blame for the start of the war, can this really be discussed so seriously???
1. Each country, people and even individual will have its own truth.
2. Truth is on the side of the strong (winner), this has happened many many times in the history of mankind.
3. Every country has its own skeletons in its closet, and the larger the country and its history, the more skeletons there are.
4. All people are the same in the general mass, with the same needs and instincts.
5. You need to be skeptical about what politicians especially say and write.
6. Propaganda is evil. Who do we hate most in Russia: Americans and liberals, although we suffered from the Germans twice, once they helped Lenin, they drove us into a civil war, the second time they generally considered us second-class and wanted to exterminate us, and most people don’t even know what a liberal and democracy are understands and listens to what is being pissed in his ears.
Get this into your head, your life will immediately become easier, you will be less angry, you will have a simpler attitude towards disputes over history and politics, you will hate yourself and other peoples less. Peace to all.

[klara]

Uncle, at least learn to think first

[Sparapet78]

Auntie, go wash the floors, what did you forget among your uncles.

[pytar]

An extremely balanced and objective comment! Respect to you, Artem!

[Yury Siritsky]

It’s already easier for you. Congratulations! Now you can grind all sorts of nonsense.

[DeKo]

You seem to be one of the non-brothers? Since he's so stupid and evil

[cradle]

listen...you don’t have to argue about anything, but stupidly admit that the Russian Federation (RI, USSR - as convenient) always started the war. Start repenting and paying. I’m sure that “from there” they will applaud you and send you a few cookies, but personally you won’t get this from me (who knows a little history). If necessary, then I will take up arms for this right not to “not pay and not repent” and will defend this right. Peace, but not to everyone.

[Guazdilla]

Denmark, this was precisely the last country to which the Axis with Stalin and the rest of the Entente reported how they would fight each other. The fussers of words and the idiot historian they quote, with the conclusion that his (Putin’s) article is not reviewed by more than one serious historical journal, sucks in something similar to what Navalny usually dumps on the fan, collected by the blogger from the “big guys.”
From Navalny’s tweet to historian Radchenko’s blog:
interesting weigh in. "I too saw in Putin's article a pile of historical garbage, and, behind it, grovelling before China and squealing: 'remove the sanctions and allow me at the table with the big boys.'" Well, yeah, I'd mostly agree .




Alexey navalny

@navalny

· Jun 20

Interesting analysis, read it. I, too, in Putin’s article, saw only a bunch of historical tinsel, followed by groveling before China and the squeak of “lift the sanctions and let me sit at the table with the big guys.” https://theins.ru/opinions/226971

So Denmark...
Goodbye!

[klara]

the only case when I would subscribe to every word of Putin, with the exception of his attacks (already schizoid) on Stalin. The article as a whole is correct, evidence-based, there is even something new about the dirty tricks of “our partners” in homosexual cooperation.

[cradle]

[quote=Lesovik][quote]And Poland, with their tacit consent, refused to allow Soviet troops through its territory to protect Czechoslovakia. But the options were proposed that the security of Poland from “excesses” on the part of Soviet troops would be guaranteed by French and British troops on its territory.[/quote]
Not only did she not let the Soviet troops through, but she also captured the Teshin region, on the quiet.

[pytar]

Not only did she not let the Soviet troops through, but she also captured the Teshin region, on the quiet.

It would be strange if I missed it! Cieszyn region, a region about whose ownership Czechoslovakia and Poland have been arguing since the end of WW1.
Information:
The local population is mixed - Poles, Czechs and local subethnics - the so-called. Silesians. Silesians speak a local dialect, which Czechs consider Czech and Poles consider Polish. By 1918, ethnic Poles made up 54% of the region's population. After the collapse of Austria-Hungary on November 5, 1918, the Polish National Council of the Duchy of Cieszyn (Rada Narodowa Księstwa Cieszyńskiego) signed an agreement with the Czech local government (Národní výbor pro Slezsko) on the division of Cieszyn Silesia. On January 19, 1919, the Czechoslovak Ministry of Defense issued an order for the military occupation of the entire Cieszyn region. On January 23, 1919, Czechoslovakian troops occupied the entire Cieszyn region. The Czechoslovak armed forces included the 3rd Battalion. The 21st legionnaires from France, legionnaires from Italy... The Polish troops were weaker than the Czechoslovak ones. At that time, the main forces of Poland were involved in the Polish-Ukrainian war in the East. Galicia., and also the Red Army advanced in the Soviet-Polish War of 1919-1921. Poland was forced to retreat.
In 38, the Poles regained what they considered theirs. The USSR did exactly this “on the sly” in 39, entering previously Polish Western Belarus and Ukraine.

[pytar]

Don't confuse warm with soft. And yet do it with an innocent air of not understanding the difference

Yuri, this definition is more suitable for your comment... It’s like they said everything in a Jesuitical way!

The Czech government didn’t go anywhere in 1938, but the Polish government stupidly moved out...to London by 17.08.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX

You are clearly not aware that the location of an internationally recognized government has no bearing on one's legal standing. The very fact that on August 17.08.1938, 11, the USSR handed over a note to representatives of the Polish authorities notifying the denunciation of the Polish-Soviet Non-Aggression Treaty means recognition of the legal capacity of these authorities at the time of delivery of the document. You don’t terminate a contract with a non-existent partner, right! By the way, the Polish army, although chaotically continued to resist, Warsaw fell 28.08 days later, on August XNUMX!

This is to feel the difference.

I hope after reading the explanations above, you feel the difference...

Our little brother is a trinket. .

Lack of arguments, replaced with rudeness... I won’t fall to your level.

[cradle]

You also cite Kerensky with the “evacuation” as an example....haha ....And there is no need to impose your “concepts” here, including the smart guy. “Like international”... when it is beneficial for the West, then “international recognition” is immediately inserted under it.... when not, then all this international recognition is quickly forgotten. What about the Curzon Line, the internationally recognized eastern borders of Poland? It was according to them that the USSR restored the border with Poland in September 1939. And about Guaido, there is a Christ-like example when the “international” community, represented by the West, has completely screwed up with interference in the affairs of a sovereign country. My goal is not to touch you, it’s just that your “brotherly” howls about the bad USSR are annoying. Have you forgotten whose hand you ate from?

[pytar]

Yuri, don’t be nervous... We are all expressing our personal opinions here. It may be the opposite, and that's okay. By the way, I never said that the USSR was definitely bad. There was a lot of good, and there was a lot of bad too. This happens in real life.

[cradle]

you exaggerate the degree of my concern for you and your comments. It’s only open lies that irritate, not opposing opinions.

[pytar]

You know, it happens that people’s opinions do not coincide with yours!

[cradle]

I know, but in this particular case, it’s a joke, not an opinion. Why then in 1939 did the West recognize the return of its lands to the USSR and somehow not fight with Germany for Poland? Because then it was beneficial for them. And now it is profitable to denigrate Russia in the person of the USSR and opinions have changed. Like a weather vane. And since you support the weather vanes, then....well, do you understand? And what is the price of your (?) opinion.

[pytar]

I know, but in this particular case, it’s a joke, not an opinion.

The problem is most likely with the hearing aid (honey. term - tinnitus)... Okay, let's go...
Yuri, from the point of view of interests, the actions of the USSR are justified. The territories annexed to the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR belong to their ethnic space. So it is with the Sudetenland, they are Germanic ethnic territories. By the way, the West condemned in words the annexation of Western Belarus and Ukraine to the USSR. But then there is a divergence. Germany occupied the Czech Republic and Poland, and the USSR occupied the Baltic states and tried from Finland.

And what is the price of your (?) opinion.

Exactly the same as the price of yours.

[cradle]

In general, I was no longer interested in answering you (personally). Just proving obvious things...well, it’s not interesting.

[pytar]

Mutually, Yuri, mutually... For the same reason. All the best to you.

[cradle]

Quote: Irina.

Not at all a surprising reaction to a disconcertingly honest article: Denmark fought on the side of the Nazis. The descendants of fascists, raised by fascists, are also fascists. And you can’t expect any other reaction from them. But the story doesn’t change depending on who likes it and who doesn’t. When the Americans seize Greenland from Denmark for glass beads, it will be very interesting to see the reaction of its representatives.

Not for beads (expensive), but for cookies

[Pavel73]

Who are these, the Danes? Which surrendered to Hitler a couple of hours later?

[Jurkovs]

The SS Volunteer Corps "Danmark" is a formation within the SS troops, created with the support of the Danish government in July 1941 from volunteer members of the Danish Nazi Party.
We really lied to ourselves all these years and did not make any claims to those European countries that participated in the war on Hitler’s side. Maybe the time has come to present all this to Denmark and raise the question of compensation for the damage caused to us and for our citizens who died at their hands? Then they would have spoken differently.

[cradle]

Denyushki love counting...

[PavelM]

Quote: CSKA

When and who from our government said this?

Do you need this in the form of a Presidential Decree or will you be satisfied with a certificate from the housing and communal services?

Even in this foreign(!) article, Putin could not restrain himself from throwing mud at Stalin on the topic of repression. Will someone explain WHY he is once again engaged in denigrating his country in front of foreign readers? What was he counting on, the applause of the West? By this, Putin once again personally equated Stalin with Hitler.
“He who wants to see, let him see; he who wants to hear, let him hear” (c).

[Dedok]

Isn’t it fate to publish this author’s article in full?
Google doesn't translate it?

[Tatyana Pershina]

The article is written in Russian. The translation was made for a newspaper. Freely available on Yandex in Russian.

[Roman123567]

What's going on with his face... He looks exactly like the prisoner in the photo... and judging by his expression, he whispers to himself - I'll tear his jaws!!

[Arnaut]

I wonder who Bandera betrayed?

[silver_roman]

I'm sure this Emil knows everything. in any case, an independent, intelligent, honest fool

[1536]

A dialogue familiar from childhood from the movie "Aladdin's Magic Lamp": “To say about a dream that it is not a dream, but about non-dream that it is a dream..."Danes, hey, wake up before a new Hitler comes to you. When he comes, it will be too late, he won’t give you a second chance to survive.

[AKS-U]

- “According to him, France and Great Britain did not participate in the division of Czechoslovakia, while the Soviet Union divided Poland with Germany.”
These words “divided Poland” will come back to haunt us in the near future. An entire generation will grow up on these words, and in about 20 years we will be considered aggressors on a par with the fascists. That is, we are led to the conclusion that WE unleashed the Second WW.
The President began to play friendship with “partners abroad.” And here is the result.

[Andrey Lanin]

I don’t understand our hypertrophied political correctness, which often contradicts our national interests. In the Second World War, the USSR defeated not only the Nazis, but also a pack of small European mongrels who wanted to take a bite out of the Union. We need to firmly and accurately assess the role of all European countries in the attack on us and firmly state our position on this issue. Now this evil spirits are again dreaming of victory over Russia and we have no right to ignore this. Now we clearly see what Europe is, its interests, its intentions.

[NordUral]

Agree! In the post-war and Soviet times in general, this was justified (and even then with reservations) by the fact that they were building a unified socialist system. Now why hush up the truth? It's time to end this.
These remnants of the Great Patriotic War are only blathering out of the gates because “our” authorities are too politically correct.
Putin’s article is weak in that everything is very soft and streamlined.
He is soft towards the West, but again he slandered his own history.

[sinoptic]

Those who do not remember history are forced to repeat their own mistakes again and again.
Europe forgets. Prepare the army, Mr. Putin, animals and non-humans are sharpening their fangs again.

[Yury Siritsky]

What is this, which itself turns everything inside out, justifying the West and the Poles.

[iouris]

The history is written by the winners.

[NordUral]

The failure of fascist Europe, led by Germany, and a Europe that caved in to Hitler was caused by the Stalinist USSR and the Soviet people. And it is not discussed!

[zenion]

France and Great Britain share a border with Czechoslovakia? But Poland had and grabbed the Cieszyn land. How did they forget about this? Why didn’t France and Great Britain begin military operations against Germany, even though they declared war on it? You needed Hitler to attack the USSR.

[IC]

Don't read the signs on fences. And commentators read it and rushed to debate. Not solid.

[navigator]

Quote: tihonmarine

Although they killed one German infantryman and one motorcyclist, and damaged something,

It came across somewhere that several German soldiers were bitten by a donkey in the Copenhagen Zoo...

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

Isn't this the same country that fell under Hitler in one day?

[LeftPers]

Denmark? This piece of land the size of a summer cottage opens its mouth?

[DeKo]

I found an article where the Danes write about their enormous contribution to the defeat. I quote.... the inhabitants of Denmark, risking their lives, sheltered over 100 people who escaped from captivity

[Igor Pa]

There was a similar article in the German press. The message is about the same and they referred to IksperD with a Ukrainian surname but from Omeriga. After reading the comments, I realized that the Germans don’t believe in all this paid crap. Not a single commentator supported the idea of ​​the article.

[Kostadinov]

the meeting in Munich in September 1938, when France and Britain agreed to Hitler's annexation of part of Czechoslovakia where ethnic Germans lived, was a major milestone on the road to war, but nothing compared to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939.

It is true that Munich cannot be compared with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Munich is an agreement to attack and a decisive step towards inciting war. The pact is an agreement on non-aggression between two countries and limiting the scope of war.

[Charik]

can you answer - Emil we are your Rottböll

[Semenov Alexander]

Did Emil Rottböll only count the words and not read the text? I would like to hear a reasoned refutation of all 9000 of Putin’s lies, preferably point by point.