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Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for firing

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Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for firing

The Armed Forces of Ukraine refused to use the widely advertised BARS-8MMK mobile mortars because of their unsuitability for firing. This was reported by Ukrainian media.


According to Defense Express, in the fall of last year, the Ukroboronprom concern transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces a batch of BARS-8MMK mobile mortars, but they were not accepted despite a statement from the concern. As it turned out, the main thing weapon complex - 120 mm mortars were delivered with substandard barrels and did not have firing tables. It is not known how reliable the gun barrels are and how to shoot them, so instead of delivering them to the troops, a battery of mortar systems was sent to a storage base in the city of Orzhev, where they have been located for more than six months.

According to the publication, other mortars are currently being searched for that will be mounted on armored cars.


As previously reported, the mortar complex BARS-8MMK allows you to hit enemy targets at ranges up to 7200 meters with high accuracy. The complex was created using imported parts based on the Bars-8 armored car with a total weight of 12 tons. The crew - 3 people, speed - up to 120 km / h, booking protects against bullets of 7,62 mm caliber. The body of the armored car is equipped with a 120-mm mortar with automatic deployment system. In addition, there is an automated fire guidance and control system.

It is stated that the maximum range of the mortar is 7200 meters at a rate of fire of 12 rounds per minute. Angles of horizontal guidance - ± 60 °, vertical angles - from 45 ° to 90 °. Transportable ammunition - 60 minutes, the time of transfer to combat / marching position - 35 / 25 seconds.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 June 2020 12: 39 New
    10
    Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for shooting

    Well, nice ...

    Keep it up!! yes
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 19 June 2020 15: 27 New
      +5
      Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for firing

      And do not shoot. Absolutely. bully
  2. svp67
    svp67 19 June 2020 12: 40 New
    18
    And again with mortars Ukraine "did not spare" ... now with self-propelled ones. Maybe you need to rub them with lard ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 19 June 2020 12: 51 New
      12
      "Maybe you need to rub them with lard ..." and immediately put some kind of "minus" for YOU. It's strange ... I think that this site is full of those who first rode on the Maidans, but now they are minus the comments ... sitting on Moscow construction sites ...
      Even the news shows how the Nazis are beaten in Ukraine. I immediately have a question about this - where were they before, when they jumped and demolished the monuments on the Maidan? .. "That's what the bill for the life-giving gas does")
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 19 June 2020 15: 28 New
        +5
        Even on the news they show how in Ukraine Nazis are beaten.

        Little show. Few peeling.
      2. venik
        venik 19 June 2020 17: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Maybe you need to rub them with lard ... "and immediately put some kind of" minus "for YOU. Strange ...

        =======
        Nothing strange! And what about "patryots" ( fool ) - oh well them !!!
        Well, in general - without them it would be even boring! ..... request
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 June 2020 12: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      And again with mortars Ukraine "did not spare" ... now with self-propelled ones. Maybe you need to rub them with lard ...

      With garlic yes so that Bandera’s evil beckoned to him, and to tear it ...

      1. venik
        venik 19 June 2020 17: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        With garlic yes, so that the evil Bandera beckoned to him, and tore ...

        =======
        Insurgent! Do not offend garlic! I am now, before my wife comes home from work (I myself am already retired) - I cook zucchini "caviar", just peel the garlic! ( lol )! And here is: God forbid, what evil spirits will hide! (Although they are far away, but as they say: "remember the devil - so he is" right there "!!! wassat ) ....... Tfu! Don't be told by dinner!
      2. German Titov
        German Titov 19 June 2020 22: 48 New
        +1
        Brother! Garlic strength. Garlic and peppercorns save you from the coronavirus. No, we don't need mortars. Innovative all the more. Judging by the photo, it could have turned out 2 (two) Chinese cars (Lifan, for example) with a leather interior made "from Chinese monkeys virgin" (as a driver's joke). Reconsider your attitude to garlic!
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 19 June 2020 13: 36 New
      -5
      70 tons are bad for someone from the lack of aircraft carriers - here's an example, the joy of mortars is overshadowed by imperfections. I repeat for the 000th time: if it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier with 17 tons of explosives, Shoigu and Gerasimov will make the decision that IS THE NECESSARY COUNTRY, and just putting minuses for my lack of money in the country is a strange logic.
      or psycho stability one-sided (didn’t say lame).
      Marshals are sofa, give aircraft carriers, 7pcs x 70t !!!
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 19 June 2020 17: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: antivirus
        70 tons are bad for someone from the lack of aircraft carriers - here's an example, the joy of mortars is overshadowed by imperfections. I repeat for the 000th time: if it is necessary to build an aircraft carrier with 17 tons of explosives, Shoigu and Gerasimov will make the decision that IS THE NECESSARY COUNTRY, and just putting minuses for my lack of money in the country is a strange logic.
        or psycho stability one-sided (didn’t say lame).
        Marshals are sofa, give aircraft carriers, 7pcs x 70t !!!

        Here is the chesslovo: nifiga did not understand what you wanted to say ...
        I think that everything will be fine with us.
        but the APU - no
        1. DeKo
          DeKo 19 June 2020 20: 06 New
          0
          The fact is that in Kiev, on Volodimerskaya street, house 33 long ago opened an office where 20-30 sit with the Indians and write different crap about you and me under different nicknames
      2. German Titov
        German Titov 19 June 2020 22: 51 New
        0
        "Build, build." The Russian language will come in handy even in captivity.
    4. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 19 June 2020 14: 50 New
      +5
      And again with mortars Ukraine "did not spare"


      Of course it’s good that the complex is flawed, but this is only for now. And when the trunks are changed and the tables are set up, these mobile firing points can fly a lot of bad things in the Donbass.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 19 June 2020 12: 42 New
    +1
    As it turned out, the main weapon of the complex - 120 mm mortars were delivered with substandard barrels and did not have shooting tables. How reliable gun barrels are and how to shoot from them is unknown

    Again the cycle of manure in nature? Indeed, under each detail there should be a responsible person who released, who took ....................... new power, and old problems
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: APASUS
      under each detail there should be a responsible person who released, who took ....................... new power, and old problems

      You something was called "power", or it seemed to me belay ?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 19 June 2020 13: 39 New
        +1
        no one will declassify the archives of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation until 2150 - there are all the names
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 19 June 2020 21: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        You called something "power", or it seemed to me

        Yes, he called, there was a little hope (well, not at all great) that Zelibob was a man ..............
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 June 2020 15: 11 New
      +4
      As the name suggests, BARS is the product of the "candle factory" controlled by Poroshenko. And when Petit was president, with his light patronage, it was possible to snatch any crap and all subordinates nodded their manes together)))
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 19 June 2020 17: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        As the name suggests, BARS is the product of the "candle factory" controlled by Poroshenko. And when Petit was president, with his light patronage, it was possible to snatch any crap and all subordinates nodded their manes together)))

        the main thing is that they do not stop at the pace of retraction hi
        1. major147
          major147 19 June 2020 17: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: SASHA OLD
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          As the name suggests, BARS is the product of the "candle factory" controlled by Poroshenko. And when Petit was president, with his light patronage, it was possible to snatch any crap and all subordinates nodded their manes together)))

          the main thing is that they do not stop at the pace of retraction hi

          The pace - the pace, and the money is already "bye-bye"!
  4. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 19 June 2020 12: 45 New
    +6
    No wonder ... Engineers - wash toilet in the EU.
    PS Without embroidery and chanting "who does not jump .." will not shoot.
  5. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 19 June 2020 12: 53 New
    +5
    What a joy, I’m going to make tea.
    1. major147
      major147 19 June 2020 17: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      What a joy, I’m going to make tea.

      And I'll give myself a tea and pour something to celebrate "our non-brothers"!
  6. Tugarin
    Tugarin 19 June 2020 13: 01 New
    10
    instead of being delivered to the troops, a battery of mortar complexes was sent to a storage base in the city of Orzhev

    Well, it’s better to stay there.
  7. kind
    kind 19 June 2020 13: 02 New
    +8
    Do they make mortars from water pipes or what? negative
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 19 June 2020 15: 09 New
      +5
      From sewer
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 20 June 2020 06: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        From sewer

        Handicraft production. lol
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 19 June 2020 15: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Good
      mortars from water pipes do what?

      Given the caliber (120 mm), from the fan. yes It seems that the concepts of "mortar" and "APU" are becoming antagonistic.
      1. major147
        major147 19 June 2020 17: 53 New
        +2
        other mortars are currently being sought that will be mounted on armored vehicles.

        What is there to think about? "Hammer" theirs all!
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 June 2020 22: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Good
      Do they make mortars from water pipes or what?

      Great question ... Forcing you to scratch your head in perplexity ...

      Spanish mortar, Alakran from Everis Aeroespacial y Defensa. At a price of 90 thousand euros apiece, excluding VAT



      It seems that everything here is much, much funnier than it seems at first glance.
      And the main problem is that someone is eager to buy full-time ammunition under the NATO mortar

      Because there are no shooting tables for Soviet mines.
      Therefore, the Spaniards are not eager to conduct tests by firing Soviet mines, and do not guarantee security. And most likely they warned about removal from the factory when trying to shoot substandard
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 21 June 2020 08: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Spanish Mortar, Alakran by Everis Aeroespacial y Defensa

        where is the information from? On not accepted Leopards is a 120-mm mortar 2B11.
        Now the mortar is going to be replaced, and with almost 100% probability it will be changed to the Spanish Alakran
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 June 2020 09: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          where is the information from? On not accepted Leopards is a 120-mm mortar 2B11.

          He can’t stand there, a 2B11 mobile mortar.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 21 June 2020 09: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            He can’t stand there, 2B11 mortar driven

            it was he who stood there. The so-called UKR-MMC mortar complex, which is an artillery piece from the 2B11 mortar with a new base plate and an electro-pneumatic mechanism for guiding and bringing the weapon into combat position
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 June 2020 09: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Gregory_45
              representing an artillery from a mortar 2B11

              "artillery unit from a mortar" how is it? I'm afraid the "artillery unit" is a complete mortar. No wheel travel.

              Barrel with breech?
              Yes, it doesn’t.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 22 June 2020 17: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Yes, it doesn’t.

                Ukrainian М120-15 "Hammer" as it is. Between which and 2B11 you can put an equal sign

                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 June 2020 19: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Ukrainian М120-15 "Hammer" as it is. Between which and 2B11 you can put an equal sign

                  There are two very characteristic circular grooves for the bipod holder, both on 2B11 and on the "Hammer"
                  But in the photographs I do not observe them.

                  In addition, for these mortars TS
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 22 June 2020 21: 10 New
                    0
                    pictured - Hammer. It differs quite a lot from the Spanish product.

                    Quote: Spade
                    In addition, for these mortars TS

                    there is, of course, where did they go? Therefore, I cannot understand this nuance ... or there is something wrong in the article ... Or their developer simply did not transfer it to the APU, and this became the reason not to accept mortars (bureaucracy is also a weapon) There is no vehicle for a Spanish product, especially if they are used "wrong" (analogs of Soviet) ammunition
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 22 June 2020 21: 18 New
                      0
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Or their developer didn’t pass the APU corny

                      How's that?
                      The APU has such tables on the sea.

                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      TS is not for the Spanish product

                      If it is 2B11 or its copy, then tables appeared under the USSR
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 22 June 2020 21: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        then tables appeared under the USSR

                        that's the point. Therefore, the passage with the vehicle is not disclosed in the article
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 22 June 2020 21: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Therefore, the passage with the vehicle is not disclosed in the article

                        Or this mortar is not at all 2B11 or its copy. Then absolutely everything converges.
                        And on "substandard trunks", and on safety, and on the absence of vehicles.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 19 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    But who is minus constantly? If only to answer him.
    1. businessv
      businessv 19 June 2020 13: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      But who is minus constantly? If only to answer him.

      I’m doing it simply - if there’s a minus without comments, I just put a plus sign, repeat to balance, so to speak!
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 19 June 2020 17: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: businessv
        Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
        But who is minus constantly? If only to answer him.

        I’m doing it simply - if there’s a minus without comments, I just put a plus sign, repeat to balance, so to speak!

        like
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 19 June 2020 13: 41 New
      +2
      rejoice - truth is born in dispute

      who love tea who coffee
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 June 2020 15: 12 New
      -1
      So you have "personal" minusers!))) Congratulations on that. He himself has half a dozen permanent ones)))
    4. Gato
      Gato 19 June 2020 15: 30 New
      +4
      Yes, who is constantly minus

      This is a team of latent Banderites and common people who have joined them. I want to fight with the "occupiers", but in real life it’s clueless, and even mothers are not allowed. Therefore, so, on the sly
    5. major147
      major147 19 June 2020 17: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      But who is minus constantly? If only to answer him.

      Do not hope, you are not the only one here. There are "specially trained" people, 3-4 of them (I'm not sure that these are exactly people).
    6. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 19 June 2020 18: 03 New
      +3
      Here I am also interested in who was looking for such a "patryot" Outskirts.
      We have one person at work .... The officer's wife. Originally from the outskirts ... I really liked the "course of her thoughts" Quotes from her "narratives" I present, briefly and in chronological sequence .:
      1. "We have beautiful nature in the Moscow region .."
      2. "I come from Vinnitsa region ..."
      3. "I got married in 2017 ... my husband is a retired"
      4. "My daughter's fiancé in Ukraine died in the ATO .."
      5. "Maidan is a deception of the people. I was there ..."
      6. "ATO is a mess and drunkenness. I was there, a volunteer ..."
      While she was telling me something there, I was repairing the car and did not pay much attention .. And only then, it dawned on me, like a giraffe ..... Simply, Everything she told about herself, she intertwined, VERSAI .. I changed my shoes, I find. "You have to be able to do that .... To get out of this way. Is it a natural or national quality? .. I still didn't understand .. It's a pity that I didn't listen to her carefully, and dug into the engine and, with my other hand, spoke on the phone with a colleague. Well, the wench talks to herself and let her talk .. I did not delve into it especially ...
  • businessv
    businessv 19 June 2020 13: 12 New
    +6
    According to the publication, other mortars are currently being searched for that will be mounted on armored cars.
    So already there seems to be a reliable candidate for this place - "Hammer" is called! Install, simultaneously fire a volley from all barrels at the same time and ..... No cars, no mortars - beauty! soldier
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 19 June 2020 13: 21 New
    -1
    Someone surprised?) I'm definitely not)
  • +5
    +5 19 June 2020 13: 48 New
    +2
    Whatever he does, everything he does wrong ...
  • The comment was deleted.
  • uav80
    uav80 19 June 2020 14: 27 New
    +4
    Who knows what it is .. ?? If the brakes, then in my opinion this is not serious ..



    And where is the third crew member .. ??

    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 19 June 2020 17: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: uav80
      And where is the third crew member .. ??

      ... where is the machine gun (machine gun) ..?))
      1. uav80
        uav80 22 June 2020 15: 19 New
        +1
        Why didn’t I understand where the chair is, there’s only a catch to let my head out of the hatch ...
        1. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 22 June 2020 16: 04 New
          0
          Quote: uav80
          Why didn’t I understand where the chair is, there’s only a catch to let my head out of the hatch ...

          A chair should be carried with you)))
  • Freedim
    Freedim 19 June 2020 14: 43 New
    +5
    So it is probably good to harrow the earth .. "pid pomidori" laughing
    .
    Quote: 5-9
    Whatever he does, everything he does wrong ...

    What they do not do is not going on.
    It can be seen on the Maidan their mother gave birth.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 June 2020 15: 27 New
    +1
    B-bl ... Brilliant! Dill beds do not fade, bloom in their own style laughing
  • beeper
    beeper 19 June 2020 15: 48 New
    +2
    Apparently, not indifferent engineers designed this "high-tech miracle" for the bloodthirsty Banderopithecus-made a "bookmark" in the system ...?!
    Although, the matter may be in the banal unprofessionalism of "Svidomo" designers of weapons for the punishers ?! winked
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 19 June 2020 15: 59 New
    +2
    Rzhu nimagu))) Well, at least something happens to Banderlog "thank God"? Or all through one place?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 June 2020 16: 03 New
    +2
    Well, look, zrada again. Seen on Monday, their mother gave birth. lol
  • major147
    major147 19 June 2020 17: 47 New
    +3
    "As previously reported, the BARS-8MMK mortar complex can hit enemy targets at a distance of up to 7200 meters with high accuracy."
    But there is a small nuance, "mortars were unsuitable for shooting" fool
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 21 June 2020 08: 21 New
      0
      Quote: major147
      But there is a small nuance, "mortars were unsuitable for shooting"

      change the mortar, and all things. What will you cover?
      1. major147
        major147 21 June 2020 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_45
        What will you cover?

        "Iskander" or "Sun".
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 21 June 2020 11: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: major147
          Quote: Gregory_45
          What will you cover?

          "Iskander" or "Sun".

          you, apparently, didn’t understand the question) They will change the mortar, and the machine will become suitable for combat use. Laughing out?
          1. major147
            major147 21 June 2020 11: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Change the mortar, and the car becomes usable

            The article raises the question of what to change? Mortars are technologically unsuitable. Have you read the article?
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 21 June 2020 11: 43 New
              0
              Quote: major147
              The article raises the question of what to change? Mortars are technologically unsuitable. Have you read the article?

              was reading. He also read other, more competent articles, with a more complete picture of the situation. APUs are now testing the Barca variant with another 120 mm mortar, probably the Spanish Alakran
            2. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 21 June 2020 11: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Gregory_45
              Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for firing

              Well, firstly, the APU mortars were not accepted, because they do not provide the requirements.
              Secondly, the saga with them is not over yet. In Ukraine, they are going to replace the mortar with another, also with a caliber of 120 mm. The car itself is not bad - it is extremely automated and with a good transportable ammo. The private office "Ukrainian armored vehicles" undertook to solve the problem.
              The updated mortar is now undergoing state tests. As it is easy to guess, since the notorious company "Ukrainian armored vehicles" does not have any serious design and production facilities in Ukraine, then we are talking, with a high probability, about the supply of purely imported mortar systems for installation on "Bars-8MMK" - possibly of Spanish production, from their Alakran mortar complex. Why Spanish? Because almost all the automation on the Barça is from Alakran.
              In general, any mortar with caliber from 81 to 120 mm can be supplied to the Bars.
  • DeKo
    DeKo 19 June 2020 20: 03 New
    0
    Ukrovermaht armored vehicles were always killed. A $ 250 motor-powered carriage holds a 000 bullet from small arms. Well, from the slingshot, see too
  • German Titov
    German Titov 19 June 2020 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: APASUS
    under each detail there should be a responsible person who released, who took ....................... new power, and old problems

    You something was called "power", or it seemed to me belay ?

    So this shit is called power. Paraphrasing an old joke. Team: Zelensky? Woof? Why are you barking, stupid person. Feed the dogs and do not press the buttons.
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 19 June 2020 23: 01 New
      0
      I am Plakall! From our "censors". What children do I take with tweezers.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 20 June 2020 06: 43 New
    0
    For Ukrainians will do. The more undermined, the better, do not mind, the main thing is maximum profit, at minimum cost. You’re insolent, they will also demand that they supply meat without rotten meat.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 20 June 2020 13: 47 New
    0
    But an elevating platform with a folding roof would be a more effective solution for this system than utilitarian shooting "from the ground."
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 21 June 2020 08: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      But an elevating platform with a folding roof would be a more effective solution for this system than utilitarian shooting "from the ground."

      why? Here, the recoil during firing is transmitted through the base plate to the ground, unloading the chassis. It does not practically affect the clotting speed - thanks to the widespread introduction of automation, Bars is able to withdraw from the position within 25 seconds after the completion of shooting.
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 21 June 2020 08: 18 New
    0
    Received APU mortars BARS-8MMK were unsuitable for firing

    Well, firstly, the APU mortars were not accepted, because they do not provide the requirements.
    Secondly, the saga with them is not over yet. In Ukraine, they are going to replace the mortar with another, also with a caliber of 120 mm. The car itself is not bad - it is extremely automated and with a good transportable ammo. The private office "Ukrainian armored vehicles" undertook to solve the problem.
    The updated mortar is now undergoing state tests. As it is easy to guess, since the notorious company "Ukrainian armored vehicles" does not have any serious design and production facilities in Ukraine, then we are talking, with a high probability, about the supply of purely imported mortar systems for installation on "Bars-8MMK" - possibly of Spanish production, from their Alakran mortar complex. Why Spanish? Because almost all the automation on the Barça is from Alakran.
    In general, any mortar with caliber from 81 to 120 mm can be supplied to the Bars.