Two brigades of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces conducted exercises: no differences were found between the landing force and the infantry

Immediately two airborne assault brigades of the Armed forces of Ukraine conducted exercises with the use of the army aviation"Ukrainian army. According to the press service of the command of the Airborne Assault Troops (DSHV) of Ukraine, the exercises were attended by servicemen of the 95th separate airborne assault brigade (95th Airborne Brigade) and 81 separate airmobile brigade (81 OaemBr).

The report said that 95 brigade ODSShBr conducted a training camp at a training ground in the Zhytomyr region. It mainly concerned officers and was conducted with company commanders, batteries, and their deputies. At the same time, 81 OaemBr conducted a series of parachute jumps near Kramatorsk, where it is deployed. Jumps were made from Mi-8 army aviation helicopters. It is announced about jumping from a height of 800 and 600 meters. Landing from military transport aircraft was not carried out, there were also no discharges of equipment.

Without going into the details of the exercises (there is nothing new in them - they shot and jumped as they could, all the more without dumping equipment), we note that the Ukrainian Airborne Assault Forces are not so called. The thing is that until 2018 they were called the Highly Mobile Landing Forces (Airborne Forces), but were used as combined arms units. By 2014, only the 25th Airborne Brigade was able to land from the air, as the corresponding equipment was in service, the rest of the Ukrainian airborne forces were armed with a combined arms.

The outbreak of war in the Donbass hit the troops of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, which during the conflict turned into simply "elite" infantry. Due to the large losses of equipment in the arsenal of the DSB, mainly BMP-1 and BMP-2 are instead of the BMD. In addition, these units are armed with domestic production equipment, which is also not adapted for landing. Therefore, even during the exercises, no special differences from infantry were found. Unless, parachute jumps, and even then not all involved military personnel participated in them.

Thus, it can be summarized that all the “high-profile” statements about conducting exercises of precisely the airborne landing units of Ukraine have nothing to do with these exercises, except for the name of the units. Skydiving in no way can say that this is a landing. In the modern Ukrainian army, the airborne units have turned into combined arms, but the most combat-ready and therefore often used in the Donbass.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, we can conclude that almost the entire Great Patriotic War, as well as most of the Afghan nothing in common do not have a landing?
But the stamina of our fighters - paratroopers, who did not even jump with a parachute at the enemy, was recognized by the enemy.
Personally, it becomes clear to me that this "analysis" is for a "tick" - after all, not a day without Ukraine?

[credo]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That is, we can conclude that almost the entire Great Patriotic War, as well as most of the Afghan nothing in common do not have a landing?
But the stamina of our fighters - paratroopers, who did not even jump with a parachute at the enemy, was recognized by the enemy.
Personally, it becomes clear to me that this "analysis" is for a "tick" - after all, not a day without Ukraine?

In vain they took up arms against the author, it is not clear what offended. After all, he only stated what was happening in the exercises, and did not criticize them.
Are you offended by the Ukrainian army or Ukrainian airborne forces? So, the author wrote exclusively for you - "In the modern Ukrainian army, Airborne Forces units have turned into combined arms, but the most combat-ready and therefore often used in Donbass."
It has long become clear to me personally that the Anglo-Saxons, along with other NATO partners, methodically and purposefully prepare the APU to storm Donetsk with Lugansk, arming and coordinating various units in such exercises, so I have to write about Ukraine constantly, in view of the obviously impending bloody mess.

[Sky strike fighter]

Of course, it’s a shame for the Ukrainian Air Force.
And if they decide to storm Donetsk and Lugansk it will be a shame for the whole of Ukraine.

According to Defense Express, the Ukrainian Air Force will not receive the upgraded Mig-29MU1 fighter due to the decision of the Lviv territorial branch of the State Security Bureau, which is investigating the theft of components and assemblies for the Mig-29 aircraft (tail number 26, released on December 30, 1988) received at the Lviv State Aviation Repair Plant, which is part of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies.
“We received one aircraft for repair from a military unit. The plane arrived at our factory, and was already stolen at the dismantling stage. Stole more than 20 blocks. Similar units from Mig-29 fighters were stolen from aircraft located on the commandant’s area near the enterprise, ”said one of the plant’s employees, who wished to remain anonymous,“ They were stolen, probably for resale. Subsequently, part of the blocks, more precisely, the boards of them were thrown into a clearing, not far from the enterprise. The plant initiated an appeal to the SBU, a case was opened. He is now engaged in the Lviv Territorial Administration of the State Bureau of Investigation "
It is not known exactly when the investigation will end, but work on the modification of the aircraft has been stopped until its completion.

https://news-front.info/2020/06/06/razvorovali-zapchasti-vvs-ukrainy-ne-poluchat-modernizirovannyj-mig-29/

[Lara Croft]

credo He only stated what happened in the exercises

He stupidly copied the article from another site
http://militaryreview.ru/dve-brigady-dshb-vsu-proveli-ucheniya-otlichij-desanta-ot-pexoty-ne-obnaruzheno.html
without any analysis of adding materials from other sources, which is not welcome at VO ...
The Armed Forces of Ukraine constantly conduct exercises with the use of school children ...

spring xnumx

It is noted that the airborne assault unit was raised on alarm and, under cover of a strike helicopter link, made the transfer of 8 transport and combat helicopters to one of the defense flanks.

winter 2019
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https://www.facenews.ua/video/2019/311442/

[Equalized]

Actually, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is only one landing brigade (the 25th separate VDBR), which still has BMD-1, BMD-2 and BTR-D in service and is landing with equipment during exercises (with IL-76). All the rest (95, 80, 81, 79, 45, 46) brigades are airmobile (or "air assault" in a new way) and are very different from the "combined arms" brigades in their mobile structure and light armored vehicles which can be quickly transferred to airfields.

A conventional mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (which by state after the Russian Federation is the most "heavy" in Europe) cannot be deployed close to the conflict point in a few hours by airplanes, but let's say the 95th brigade on light armored vehicles and BTR-3 is quite. Therefore, they fulfill their task.

Not to mention the fact that in this branch of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces the best equipment and the level of training of fighters.

[Lara Croft]

Equalized very different from "combined arms" brigades with their mobile structure and light armored vehicles

Nobody argues about what you are eating ....
"Forgot" only to mention that the number of AEBR. / DShBr. after 2014 in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there were more (apparently at the expense of quality) ...
(17 combat brigades (two tank, eight mechanized, airborne, two airmobiles, missile and three artillery), 14 separate combat regiments (mechanized, airmobile, three special purposes https://topwar.ru/2679-suxoputnye-vojska-ukrainy.html article 2010),
and there are fewer AA helicopters (as a result of losses in the Donbass and breakdowns); as a result of this, they are essentially LBBr. whose l / s has undergone parachute training, and, accordingly, they have better (probably) training than combined arms units ... APU ...
After 2014, the MPBr appeared in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. (as I understand it, brigades are "lighter" than the MBR. And for which there was not enough "heavy" weapons) and in terms of their composition and armament they occupy an intermediate link between the MBR. and AEBR. / DShBr. APU ....
Also, new units of the MP appeared, which, like the DSU of the Armed Forces for the most part, perform the functions of light infantry .... apparently this is all a consequence of the increase in the number and combat strength of the Armed Forces and the shortage of B and BT for them (due to the successful penetration of Soviet stocks in the past to the Maidan years) ....
Here is an interesting APU Brigade:

10th separate mountain assault brigade (Chernivtsi, military unit PP V-3950):
8th separate motorized infantry battalion (Ivano-Frankivsk, military unit V-2235, formerly BTO "Podolye", Chernivtsi);
24th separate assault battalion "Aydar" (Dnepropetrovsk, military unit V-2950, ​​formerly V-0624, formerly BTO);
The 46th separate battalion of the special forces "Donbass-Ukraine" (Kharkiv region, Lozova, military unit V-2612, until 2016.10 without a traffic police, formerly part of the battalion of the NSU "Donbass");

https://sdxr1805.livejournal.com/99794.html
Wehrmacht had an interesting name ....
However, in their composition, the Russian (as it seems to me stupid) Intelligence brigades also experiment?

[raw174]

It’s not a matter of jumping ... The main thing is, after all, the training of L / C on the ground, the coordination of units and the quality of control, weapons, communications, etc. And the fact that they jump a little and do not drop equipment is not useful in real b / d .

[Equalized]

The technique was several times dropped off at Poroshenko. When Zelensky seems to be too. The 25th VDBR will drop BMD, the rest do not drop equipment but work out its transfer to aircraft jump aerodromes.

[Ros 56]

A monkey with a parachute, without a parachute, always remains a monkey. They confirmed this when they cooked in boilers.

[Holgerton]

6 years have passed, and you "can repeat"? Even if we omit the moment that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now not the same conscripts and reservists who had a mileage of 3-5 km per capita on a tank during their entire service, how would you order to maneuver? The territory of the republics is less than half of the total area of ​​the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. In some places, they are shot through to the border of Russia, and with much less human resources, there is no talk of offensive operations.
How do you order to take the boilers, Comrade Army General, couch troops? Has the truth really been revealed to you, how to fight against an adversary who can encircle your cauldron? I just don’t understand the logic of attacking a superior enemy? Why go into the environment, if it is more logical to dig around on the contrary?

[Lara Croft]

Holgerton (Eugene) How to maneuver your order? The territory of the republics is less than half of the total area of ​​Lugansk and Donetsk regions. In some places they shoot to the Russian border, and with much smaller human resources, there is not even any talk of offensive operations.

Tell this to Israeli Jews who, under the same conditions, won four Arab-Israeli wars (one truth thanks to the USSR) and illegally seized the Gollan’s AAR from the working people ... with water sources next to them ... (and still hold it), as well as the entire Sinai Peninsula ...

How do you order to take the boilers, Comrade Army General, couch troops?

Why insult the good members of the forum and the more so do not observe subordination?

Has the truth really been revealed to you, how to fight against an adversary who can encircle your cauldron? I just don’t understand the logic of attacking a superior enemy?

Has opened. Refer again to the IDF’s military experience ...

The "six-day" Arab-Israeli war

https://ria.ru/20170605/1495713408.html
Therefore, you don’t understand the logic, because Ros 56 (Yuri) gene. Mr. Aviation, and you "smell" ...

[Holgerton]

Tell this to Israeli Jews who, under the same conditions, won four Arab-Israeli wars (one truth thanks to the USSR) and illegally seized the Gollan’s AAR from the working people ... with water sources next to them ... (and still hold it), as well as the entire Sinai Peninsula ...

Under the same conditions, does this mean constant deliveries of modern aviation, radar, armored vehicles, ATGM, MANPADS, ships, technologies and other novelties of the then military-industrial complex?
Plus, do not compare the Jewish war with an Arab rabble, which no matter how many air defense systems and fighter aircraft could get directly from the USSR air defense units, but still lose entire anti-aircraft missile regiments at the end of the war, when even the missile launchers themselves did not manage to be spent and the Soviet Union on a new one of its own but he gathered the reserves to the Arabs, about the bad Soviet weapons, to the Arabs a new air defense group.
You will also talk about the Gollan Heights "illegally taken away" from the very "working" people of the SAR, when you read a little history. maybe even then the truth will be revealed to you that the Arabs themselves shot in the leg endlessly. The Jews then signed a UN resolution that guaranteed the lands of Israel in their original form, but the Arab religious righteous flatly refused this and started the war to the point that "the land will be soaked in blood", "armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine", etc. ... therefore, it is not surprising that when the Arabs merged another war and lost the Gollans, they should still be grateful for the return of the Sinai Peninsula to them, for more they no longer have the right, since they themselves renounced the world.
By your logic of comparisons, I already see that you are the same general from the sofa as Ros 56 (Yuri), although your strategic thinking is clearly at the STRATCOM level)
Well, apparently this is still due to the fact that you are a land comrade after all, for you the air war has no differences with the ground war, and you are trying to drag Israel so desperately here, which, by the way, is also, as I said, with total surrounded and lost in human resources, entrenched, instead of going and taking the Arab divisions into the environment, the only difference is that thanks to aviation, Israel had room for maneuver, and the territory of Israel is still somewhat (you’re surprised, now there’s going to be Google magic ) but more LDNR. Thanks to aviation, Israel cut off parts of the Arabs from each other and then, according to the situation, already took them into the environment.
Has opened. Refer again to the IDF military experience ... fellow
The "six-day" Arab-Israeli war well, it remains only to ... but by the way, comrade generals will figure it out without me, what’s wrong, you are better trained in any case, to work on the errors))) you’ll get a new star too
But as for me, the flow of someone else's, deliberately mistaken opinion and an attempt to justify it makes you and your bragging behavior no less "smell"

That's why you don't understand the logic, that's why Ros 56 (Yuri) gene. Mr. aviation, and you "smell" ... laughing

than me)
Best wishes to you!

[Lara Croft]

Holgerton (Eugene) Under the same conditions, does this mean constant supplies of modern then aviation, radar, armored vehicles, ATGM, MANPADS, ships, technologies and other new products of the then military-industrial complex?

Both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Lugansk People's Democratic Republic are armed with the same junk, to a greater extent from the arsenals of the Armed Forces themselves, which advantage in this respect I do not understand from the Armed Forces ... 2014-2015 showed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot take advantage of their strength and strength, the aviation of the Armed Forces also could not turn the tide of hostilities, but suffered losses from MANPADS and MZA militias ...
Of course, since it seems to me that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have changed, they have received TCP, UAVs, artillery fire detection radars, communications, etc., well, the LDNR militia has already turned into regular forces, no one of the LDNR Armed Forces has set the task to go to Kiev, they have a limited task, a limited one - to restrain the Armed Forces in the advance of the approach of the Russian air defense and south-east military units and prevent them from engaging in border battles ... where they will be quickly defeated by superior forces of the Armed Forces ...

they should also be grateful that they were returned to the Sinai Peninsula

Do you think you are the only one recorded in the library? Well, let's say the Israeli Jews returned the Sinai Peninsula to ARE not because of their "eternal kindness", but under pressure from the world community, primarily the United States and the USSR ...

and the territory of Israel is still somewhat (You’re surprised, now there will be Google fellow magic), but more LDN

And Australia is bigger than Austria. Why did they write, it is not clear?
I took Israel as an example, the depth of the Israeli front is as small compared with other Arab states, as are the territory of Ukraine and LDN ...

You are the same general from the sofa

и

maybe get a new star

I think at the stage of receiving p-ka I will already be banned ...
Well, a young man, although you are a gullible, but an angry forum member, I gave you a chance to improve, but you did not realize it ...

Best wishes to you! hi

[Holgerton]

The chance to improve, fire yourself, no one will correct me, I’m not so young, but here are just arguments for 2014-2015. You still overlook important points.

2014-2015 showed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot take advantage of their strength and strength, the aviation of the Armed Forces also could not turn the tide of hostilities, but suffered losses from MANPADS and MZA militias ...
Of course, since it seems to me that the APU changed, they received TCP, UAVs, artillery fire detection radars, communications equipment, etc., well, the LDNR militia has already turned into regular forces

By numerical superiority, do you mean conscripts and reserve officers from military departments of universities who shot 30 rounds during their service, mixed with contract soldiers, who mainly served in artillery units? The combat structure was at the level of militias, if you do not take into account special forces, Alpha and other similar structures, and believe me, even a well-trained army suffers losses with militias, remember the same Mujahideen, Chechens, Hitler youth, Husits, etc.
You can also recall that in the Donbass at that time they mainly fought for strong points, communication centers, traffic interchanges and settlements and neither side had enough personnel to keep their flanks constantly closed, so the front line was unstable, the terrain was urbanized and there are many natural obstacles; does this not remind you of the entry of units of the Russian army that were still more or less combat-ready from Soviet times into Grozny? Yes, and the number of APUs at different times was unlikely to exceed 50-80 thousand people, so here we are not talking about any realization of a quantitative and qualitative advantage. You can forget about aviation in general, how should a pilot of the same Su-25 or Mi-8/24, without exercises, coordination, and with a 10-20 hour flight, at best, operate effectively in a combat situation? And here it would be worth recalling that the communications of the APU itself with the radio stations of the 80s, which failed after one, did not allow us to realize even that slight advantage in numbers on time. About topographic and navigation equipment, I generally keep quiet.

no one of the LDNR Armed Forces sets the task of going to Kiev, they have a limited mission - to restrain the Armed Forces when the Russian ZVO and YuVO formations advance before approaching and not to allow themselves to be drawn into border battles ... where they will be quickly defeated by superior forces of the Armed Forces ...

Then why the whole argument? From the very beginning, I told the author of the comment, in the branch of which we are, that:

Has the truth really been revealed to you, how to fight against an adversary who can encircle your boiler? I just don’t understand the logic of attacking a superior enemy? Why go into the environment, if it is more logical to dig around on the contrary?

Toba, in fact, you said the same thing, only with a lot of details. After all, as you can see, and you agree with this in your statement, LDNR is no longer able to independently confront the APU and at the same time an attempt to take even one APU brigade into the environment, even if successful, will mean the environment of the surrounding group, because of the numerical advantage and small tactical depth, because now, the telecommunications of the same APU are much superior to those of LDNR, take the same radio relay stations for large communications centers or units of the battalion company Harris, Aselsan and Motorola, which they receive in thousands as military aid, or Turkish supplies, as well as its own production, well, and UAVs as some kind of pleasant addition. I do not deny the existence of such means for LDNR, but this cannot be compared with the quantity and quality of equipment supplied and manufactured under license from the West. Therefore, yes, the only way for LDNR is to dig in and wait for the approach of parts of the ZVO.
Well, lastly, to clear conscience:

And Australia is bigger than Austria. Why did they write, it is not clear?
I took Israel as an example, the depth of the Israeli front is as small compared with other Arab states, as are the territory of Ukraine and LDN ...

And I wrote this to the fact that comparing the size of Israel-Arabs, like LDNR-Ukraine, is incorrect, if only because Israel waged an air war and its tactical depth was enough to protect the main airfields from the Arab and rocket artillery, and the terrain itself on which the aircraft operated was ideal for air attacks - continuous deserts and hills / mountains. With Ukraine and LDNR, everything is vice versa - a wooded, densely built-up urbanized area with a large number of hills and heaps does not allow the efficient use of aviation to support ground forces from small and medium heights. Therefore, to compare LDNR by tactical depth with Israel would be possible only if Israel fought with emphasis on land artillery and was dotted with mountains and forests, but alas, Jews bombed, bombed and bombed Arabs from the air. On this I finally spoke out. And as I understand it, you came to the same conclusion as me:

no one of the LDNR Armed Forces sets the task of going to Kiev, they have a limited mission - to restrain the Armed Forces when the Russian ZVO and YuVO formations advance before approaching and not to allow themselves to be drawn into border battles ... where they will be quickly defeated by superior forces of the Armed Forces ...

therefore, there was no sense in this dispute initially, if you were offended by something in my harsh manner of expression, it was caused exclusively by bewilderment in relation to the original comment in the branch of which we are located, I had no complaints to you and showed toxicity from due to misunderstanding.

[Kibl]

As it is sung and danced in the Latvian folk art "Jump, skok, tralala". The Ukrainian "paratroopers" well understood the recommendations of the Ministry of Culture of Latvia.

[Old tanker]

I haven’t heard something during my entire long service, so that in Russia infantry and tankers (we don’t take into account the current units of the Airborne Forces - this is the Airborne Forces) jumped with parachutes. Although the tanker himself actually jumped and I was not alone. But this is only a personal initiative and a coincidence. And so only the transfer of infantry by helicopters as an airborne landing method.

[knn54]

About 15 years ago, out of love for books, I met at the "spontaneous book market" (Kharkov) with a warrant officer-instructor from the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
He said that the level of physical and fire training is not higher than that of ordinary motorized riflemen from the times of the USSR, except for a few parachute jumps.
As that, so immediately "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers".
After a long conversation, this pseudo-patriotic (I do not know. How in Russia) organization began to react negatively.

[aviator6768]

troopers. Of course, Orly ... But, sometimes, I will stand up for MSP. Which of the Bagrams knows about the existence of the battalion ... of the 40th operational group, got into trouble arguing with them ... wee, about a height of 3234, tell me who was the first to come there and read it. ? And about Chmurov? My demobilization from the turntable was filming the remaining ... In the fountains, stop swimming, keep the style ... quarreled with many ... a lot of show-offs ... you need to have things to do ...

[georggy]

Author, what are you writing about?
In the future, this topic may not be worth your while.

[Partaktiv]

Two brigades of the DSB Armed Forces of Ukraine Armed Forces conducted exercises:

And who did they "storm"? Sounds ridiculous .. Did you miss the boilers or ponte in front of the United States .. Soon 250 million will come to them .. Will they drive again on Hamers, 100 km from Donbass? Ugh damn ..h m about shniki

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And who did they "storm"? ..... stormed the budget, because loot just smacking at the civilian population will no longer earn, and there is nothing to loot. so they carry out the CHAINING

[Bauer]

"in service with the DShB are mainly BMP-1"
What kind of landing can we talk about? BMP-1 - a car of the early 60s. It is funny and sad at the same time.

[Dmitry Makarov]

In Ukraine there is no fleet, but there is a marines, there are no planes, but there is an airborne landing.