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"Due to Israeli attacks on Syria, Turkey may doubt the effectiveness of the S-400" - Israeli observer

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"Due to Israeli attacks on Syria, Turkey may doubt the effectiveness of the S-400" - Israeli observer

New materials appear in the Western and Middle Eastern press regarding Russian weapons stationed in Syria. Moreover, the materials are largely provocative.


So, on the Breaking Defense website, a Tel Aviv-based columnist Ari Egotsi (ARIE EGOZI) issued material stating that Israeli air strikes on Syria "could be the main reason for the growing discord between Russia and Turkey." The author claims that by observing "inactive S-400 air defense systems, Turkey believes that these systems may actually not be as effective as previously thought."

Further, an article by an Israeli author for a Western military-themed resource states that "claims to Russian anti-aircraft missile systems have arisen before." Quote from the article:

The first signs of dissatisfaction with Russian air defense systems appeared on May 1, when an article was published on the Syria Direct website that described how a Syrian military source criticized the S-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia. The source pointed out the repeated failures of the Russian systems for protecting objects in Syria from Israeli attacks. The comments of a Syrian military official were the first clear sign of a big dispute between Moscow and Ankara over the operational effectiveness of air defense systems.

These statements attract attention at once for several reasons. The first reason: to date, there have been no official reports that the S-300 air defense systems were used in Syria during Israeli air raids. And therefore, all statements about “criticism” from a certain “anonymous” source look like fabrications that have nothing to do with reality. The second reason: where does the S-400 in general, and what is their connection with the Israeli air strikes on Syrian territory? Russia initially pointed out that the S-400 Triumph air defense systems in Syria are put on combat duty solely to protect the Khmeimim air base. And therefore Russia did not use the S-400 complexes and is not going to use it against aviation, which does not threaten the airbase with its actions.

It is for these reasons that the allegations that Turkey is allegedly beginning to doubt the effectiveness of Russian air defense systems appear provocative. With these statements, Mr. Ari Egoci is clearly trying to pour water on the American mill - in the sense that it is the United States that is trying to "dissuade" Turkey from acquiring and deploying S-400 air defense systems. Yes, and Israel itself is among the same "interest", given its, to put it mildly, difficult relationship with Ankara.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 June 2020 13: 19
    12
    Author declares that, observing "inactive S-400 air defense systems, Turkey believes that these systems may actually not be as effective as previously thought."
    And what, this "author" is eager to test the effectiveness of the S-400? laughing Or another throw from there? bully
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 10 June 2020 13: 32
      17
      The author is a madman or a provocateur. The S-400 are armed with the group of troops of the Russian Federation in Khmeimim and to protect this particular air base. Syrian objects cover the air defense systems that are armed with Syria. In April 2018, the Kyrgyz Republic did not take part in the reflection of the Kyrgyz attack on Syria. , since no one attacked Khmeimim directly. The idea is that the Syrians are actually covering Iran’s proxies. So why drag the Russian S-400 here? Another speculation. The article is about nothing.
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 10 June 2020 13: 35
        0
        So why drag in the Russian S-400 here? Another speculation. The article is about nothing.

        Definitely right
      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 10 June 2020 13: 54
        +8
        Moreover, the morning news: Turkey announced the agreement in principle to purchase a second set of S-400. recourse
        https://topwar.ru/171999-v-turcii-soobschili-o-principialnom-soglasii-na-pokupku-vtorogo-komplekta-s-400.html
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 10 June 2020 14: 51
        +3
        Where do you find these sites? laughing
      4. saylor1971
        saylor1971 10 June 2020 20: 42
        -5
        And how does the S-400 staff know that the strike is not for Khmeimim? Or there is a special TF line between Israel and Russia (air base). Then it is not clear why the personnel of the Russian Federation are there if they destroy, including the objects of its ally. In addition, Turkish aviation can strike at Syrian forces as well - then what? do not shoot? So what are the tasks of the long-range S-400, if in time close to real, it cannot (taking into account the possible maneuvering of the Kyrgyz Republic) determine where these Kyrgyz Republics are directed (according to Khmeimim, the headquarters of the Syrian Army, the object of critical infrastructure of Syria, objects of the Iranian contingent, etc. d.)?
    2. really
      really 10 June 2020 13: 41
      -1
      The author of the source and the author of the retelling tell different things
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 10 June 2020 15: 19
        +2
        Quote: really
        The author of the source and the author of the retelling tell different things

        You are here so you want to present to everyone. But the source is exactly what is written in the article.


        1. really
          really 10 June 2020 15: 19
          0
          And at the end of the article?
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 10 June 2020 16: 20
            0
            Quote: really
            And at the end of the article?

            And the fact that at the end of the article I also showed you. OK, again:
            1. zlinn
              zlinn 10 June 2020 16: 23
              0
              Well, yes, they have never been applied, and this of course affects the attractiveness of the system
    3. Sniper
      Sniper 10 June 2020 13: 58
      +6
      Israel and KSA know which SAM is the most efficient. their "Patriots" screwed up the attack of the Scuds S. Hussein and the attacks of the Houthis
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 10 June 2020 14: 03
        +2
        Quote: Sniper
        Israel and KSA know which SAM is the most efficient. their "Patriots" screwed up the attack of the Scuds S. Hussein and the attacks of the Houthis

        And therefore they do not want these air defense systems (S-400) to be in service with Turkey, and they publish such articles as if to dissuade Turkey from buying the S-400. This is completely useless. Turkey is not controlled and can create problems for them in the region.
        Saudi Arabia decided to purchase South Korean counterparts of the Russian S-350 systems, which Almaz-Antey Corporation had previously manufactured for Seoul “due to confusion, vacillation and lack of money” in the 90s in Russia.

        “KM-SAM uses one rocket for all cases. Its advantages include a large overload capacity - up to 50 g. The speed of intercepted targets can reach 1000 m / s, that is, almost 3 M. This is more than enough for the situation in which Riyadh found itself. When there was confusion and vacillations in Russia, as well as a lack of money, in the 90s, Almaz-Antey and the Fakel missile design bureau were involved in the creation of a medium-range air defense system for South Korea, ”the Free Press publication reports. .


        How effective the analogue of the Russian S-350 air defense system will turn out to be is still unknown, but experts say that the rejection of the purchase of Russian air defense systems by Riyadh was quite expected, since Saudi Arabia is under excessive pressure from the United States.

        https://avia.pro/news/saudovskaya-araviya-pokupaet-yuzhnokoreyskiy-analog-s-350-iz-za-razbroda-v-rossii
      2. really
        really 10 June 2020 15: 24
        -3
        As you understand 30 years ago, the possibilities were different. And with the latter, as I understand it, they are not intended against drones, although the fact that they missed the attack is bad for them
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 19: 06
          0
          And what could the Saudis protect against a massive blow from the refinery?
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 June 2020 15: 27
      -1
      Let them teach to begin with their "iron kumpol" flying water pipes to shoot down! fool negative
      1. really
        really 11 June 2020 19: 35
        0
        From the fact that you repeat the mantra, the system will not get worse, but only the Iranian missiles will be better for a long time. The system was tested on the Soviet city.
  2. Machete
    Machete 10 June 2020 13: 31
    +6
    I also doubt that Kalash can shoot.
    My hypothetical neighbor is robbed every week, but he doesn’t shoot thieves. Probably, the machine gun simply cannot shoot, and not that the neighbor is afraid of the consequences.
    Definitely, the machine is bad.
  3. 013Azer
    013Azer 10 June 2020 13: 33
    -13 qualifying.
    Well, Israel can destroy any equipment, now that in all these techniques to doubt and not to buy or what?
    For example, Israel and the Shell destroyed, but for some reason the customers who bought the shell after that did not doubt it. (Although there may have been no alternatives .. but still bought the same.) The headline is killing, straight yellow-yellow journalism, at least attack minus.)
    1. Oleg kubanoid
      Oleg kubanoid 10 June 2020 13: 50
      +2
      your statement is very controversial ... because it is entirely possible to destroy any air defense system .. without real data on the number of aircraft that actually participated in the attack on the air defense system it is a waste of time ..
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 10 June 2020 13: 50
      +3
      Destroy the Shell in a non-combat state does not need much intelligence, let it try to attack ours in Khmeimim, then it will be clear who is worth what.
      1. Oleg kubanoid
        Oleg kubanoid 10 June 2020 14: 01
        +1
        also not right .. as I wrote, to destroy one shell a lot of mind is not needed .. having modern means of delivery and defeat .. in the Russian Federation, for example, shells always work in the division .. there is constant support for other machines .. and in Syria and in Libya, shells use incorrectly, therefore, losses ..
      2. 5-9
        5-9 10 June 2020 14: 12
        0
        Actually, it’s necessary .... the Israelis tried to do this quite seriously and persistently and for a long time ..... 1 (one) time it seemed to work out ...
      3. really
        really 10 June 2020 15: 26
        +1
        Israel accused of arrogance, but not stupidity
      4. Michael gutkin
        Michael gutkin 11 June 2020 23: 04
        0
        Are you suicides?
  4. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 10 June 2020 13: 34
    +2
    So they want and provoke us to shoot at Israeli planes! They work for a fool .....
    1. really
      really 10 June 2020 15: 29
      -2
      You seem like 15 years old, you still have a lot to learn to understand, and not repeat nonsense for poorly educated adults.
  5. poquello
    poquello 10 June 2020 13: 36
    +6
    Turks buy the second "shitty" set, this is because they are shopaholics. )
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 13: 37
    +1
    "Due to Israeli attacks on Syria, Turkey may doubt the effectiveness of the S-400," Israeli commentator Ari Egotsi
    Speak halva more often, and everyone will choke on saliva. You are smart. Yes? recourse
  7. really
    really 10 June 2020 13: 40
    -5
    The author did not read the whole article, but an article about something else. Hence the slogan - Higher quality articles on VO
  8. andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 10 June 2020 13: 47
    +8
    The big Jewish bourgeoisie, represented by its Zionist mouthpiece, Broken Defense, bitterly asserts that Russian anti-aircraft complexes cannot resist the Zionist aluminum hawks that the star-striped host is supplying them with. Our response to the false and vicious statements of the hook-nosed aggressors will be swift and uncompromising. The punishing rocket sword will strike any enemy violating the blue sky over the sacred Syrian land. Long live the Russian-Syrian military brotherhood, death to the instigators of a new Middle East war.

    PS
    Krasnodar - maestro, please.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 14: 22
      11
      The false libels of the Zionists are trying to overshadow the cloudless centuries-old friendship between the peoples of Turkey and Russia. The mercenaries of the American chistogan threw another Donald duck about the allegedly inefficiency of domestic air defense systems in protecting world peace. Meanwhile, according to anonymous sources of the Military Bulletin of Poshekhonya, the Syrian side requested from the Russian Federation ground-to-plane missiles instead of ground-to-air complexes. Reinforced by the Oedipus complex of anti-aircraft gunners SAA, they should be a formidable factor in deterring the children of the gyurza and hyena from the illegal Zionist formation, defiling the flights of their unfinished eye with any Arab falcon fu-35 monoplanes, stubbornly avoiding a fair fight with the Syrian hawks, eager for frenzied bastards. claws, peaceful Syrian sky!
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 June 2020 13: 55
    +3
    the materials are largely provocative.
    This is no longer surprising. It would be okay only the Western press, but in their penises are the same. As soon as the West realized that Russia was in Syria for a long time, itching became even stronger in one place. Regarding the author’s assumptions regarding Turkey and the S-400 - with a finger to the sky. Turkey has confirmed the purchase of a second batch of complexes.
    columnist from Tel Aviv Ari Egoci
    Provocateur and no more.
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 10 June 2020 13: 56
    +3
    I can imagine how the Americans will fall off, start reading what the venerable local masters have written for years in earnest. It is fortunate that none of this is sent to them. wassat
  11. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 June 2020 14: 04
    -1
    Egosi - from the word Egoz, Walnut laughing Type of Nuts.
    Another profanity is not clear from anyone - in Israel, I have not heard of such a military analyst
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 10 June 2020 14: 37
      +3
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Egosi - from the word Egoz, Walnut laughing Type of Nuts.
      Another profanity is not clear from anyone - in Israel, I have not heard of such a military analyst

      In fact, this is a pretty famous browser.
      אריה אגוזי נולד בראשון לציון. למד בבית ספר "חביב", בגימנסיה הריאלית ובאוניברסיטת תל אביב. עבד כעיתונאי בעיתון "למרחב" ובהמשך, ב"ידיעות אחרונות "כאן כיהן כחבר מערכת העיתון עד שנת 2011. היה כתב לעיני ויתות.

      But you should never draw any special conclusions from the "intertrap" of journalists. They are obliged to sprinkle something. This is their bread, sometimes with butter.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 June 2020 14: 55
        -1
        He worked until 2011 in Yediot Aharonot, which I never read (except for ynet) ... once again - I did not hear about him, as well as the newspaper leMirkhav)),
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 10 June 2020 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          I have not heard of him

          It's like a gopher. We do not see or hear him, but he is. laughing
  12. pexotinec
    pexotinec 10 June 2020 14: 07
    -1
    So they want a couple of their fighters to be lowered to the ground. Here is the restless people. And if jammed, then the whining will begin to squeeze.
  13. 013Azer
    013Azer 10 June 2020 14: 11
    0

    Yes, I still think that the Jews are wrong. If they are about this, then damn it doesn’t matter what ?? People have a smoke or a bunch of booze left! So what? It happens to everyone?? Strange people you ... curse.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 10 June 2020 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: 013Azer
      klanus

      mom klyanis.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 10 June 2020 15: 38
      -2
      So tell the Turks that the S-400 is not ice, otherwise they are going to buy a second set of S-400. Show them your picture.
  14. 5-9
    5-9 10 June 2020 14: 11
    0
    We are so scary, already scary .... fear-fight ..
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 June 2020 14: 18
    -1
    laughing From the beginning, the "brothers" were inflamed with righteous anger and jealousy for cooperation with our neighbor, and now Israel is passing off wishful thinking laughing
  16. zlinn
    zlinn 10 June 2020 14: 23
    0
    "The author states that, observing" the inactive S-400 air defense systems, Turkey believes that these systems may actually not be as effective as previously thought. "
    but there wasn’t a word about inactive s-400 in the original article, here the whole article was distorted
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 10 June 2020 14: 54
      0
      What was in the original?
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 10 June 2020 15: 14
      0
      Quote: zlinn
      but there wasn’t a word about inactive s-400 in the original article, here the whole article was distorted

      Not a word at all. What are you saying? ...






      Well, who then misinterpreted what?
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 10 June 2020 16: 31
        0
        they all misinterpreted, the article says that one of the reasons for the Turks' thoughts is the general inefficiency of the Syrian air defense systems of Russian production, no one in the article said that it was not the use of the S-400 that affected them
  17. Vasya Zyuzkin
    Vasya Zyuzkin 10 June 2020 14: 28
    -1
    Is there really anyone in Israel who wants to seriously test the effectiveness of Russian air defense systems?
    They then strike like rats! This is not an Israeli wrote, but a European American what thread.
    Type of local Nagan.
  18. HAM
    HAM 10 June 2020 14: 31
    +2
    An article by an Israeli author is like boasting: "We bombed, we bomb and we will bomb, but you will not do anything to us!" Here, rather, the point is not in technology ... oh, this diplomacy! ...
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 June 2020 14: 39
    +1
    In this case, do not want to - do not buy. There is always an alternative in the form of Patriot
  20. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 10 June 2020 14: 52
    -1
    Yes, only yesterday it was discussed that Turkey wants to acquire a second batch. So the claim is clearly not the topic.
  21. Charik
    Charik 10 June 2020 14: 55
    0
    Well, hit Turkey, they have C400, so check how it works or not
    1. really
      really 10 June 2020 15: 36
      +1
      What troops do you propose to bomb Turkey?
      1. Charik
        Charik 10 June 2020 21: 48
        0
        because the Turks took s400-that NATO can attack and before that disconnect the systems tied to NATO
  22. G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 10 June 2020 15: 23
    -6
    YES ! S-300 and S-400 are ineffective. Russia is in Syria, not to protect its base, but to protect the state of Syria. A few days ago, Israeli missiles fell 10 km from the Russian base of Hmeimim. There is no reaction. I also urge Russia to buy Chinese air defense systems for its army. Unfortunately, this is a reality.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 10 June 2020 15: 35
      0
      First, call on China, Turkey and India to stop buying the S-400, otherwise they won’t understand what they should buy from air defense systems without you. By the way, the Chinese are doing their air defense, copying our S-300, S-400 so you know, and we think you should buy copies of their own air defense systems from them? laughing good
      S-300 and S-400 are ineffective. Russia is in Syria, not to protect its base, but to protect the state of Syria.

      Do not write nonsense.
  23. Zeev zeev
    Zeev zeev 10 June 2020 15: 28
    -2

    columnist from Tel Aviv Ari Egotsi (ARIE EGOZI)

    In fact, Aryo EgoZi lives in Jerusalem and he is quite a well-known journalist in Israel.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 June 2020 17: 31
      0
      Are neighbors in Kiryat Yuvel well-known? laughing
    2. Charik
      Charik 10 June 2020 21: 50
      0
      it is visible - specialist in the NPS
  24. really
    really 10 June 2020 15: 40
    +1
    I spread machine translation

    Unanswered Israeli airstrikes on Syria raise questions about S-400
    The first signs of dissatisfaction with Russian air defense systems appeared on May 1, when an article was published on the Syria Direct website that cited what was described as a Syrian military source that criticized the S-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia.
    By ARJE EGOZI
    June 09, 2020 at 16:09

    The Russian S-400 is delivered to Turkey.

    TEL AVIV. Israel’s air strikes against targets in Syria may be one of the main reasons for the growing crisis between Russia and Turkey, as they emphasize that Russian S-400 air defense systems may not be as effective as Turkey believed.

    The first signs of dissatisfaction with Russian air defense systems appeared on May 1, when an article was published on the Syria Direct website that cited what was described as a Syrian military source that criticized the S-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia. The source pointed to the repeated failures of Russian systems to protect sites in Syria from Israeli attacks. The comments of an obvious Syrian military official were the first clear sign of a big dispute between Moscow and Ankara over the operational effectiveness of air defense systems.

    Turkey has signed an agreement with Russia on the purchase of S-400 systems worth more than $ 1 billion. The first systems have already been delivered to Turkey, but they still do not work.

    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria linked to Iran's efforts to modernize Hezbollah's missiles. Some of these attacks were reported to have involved Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue at a rapid pace this year, with the Syrian air defense forces firing more than 1000 air defense missiles to try to prevent repeated Israeli attacks. So far, they have given little.

    The last attack was on Thursday. According to the Syrian Center for Human Rights, at least nine people have been killed, four of them Syrians and five of them are currently unknown. Reportedly, the number may increase. The Lebanese Al-Miyadin channel, located next to Hezbollah, reported that Israeli aircraft struck four targets and returned to Israel. According to the Syrian Center for Human Rights, Israeli jets attacked the Syrian regime's security factories and destroyed weapons depots.

    Washington expelled Turkey from the F-35 program due to President Erdogan’s decision to close a deal with S-400. While it accepted the delivery of at least one, Turkey postponed the order for additional S-400 batteries.
  25. Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 10 June 2020 16: 04
    +1
    And as always
    WHAT A FACT IS TAKEN, FROM IT THAT WHICH IS SUITABLE AND WHAT DOES NOT LIKE IS SILENT.
    And now what is left and the author "forgot" to write.
    The author states that by observing "Inactive S-400 SAM“Turkey believes that these complexes may actually not be as effective as previously thought.”
    But what is written in the article

    AMMAN - On Friday May 1, an alleged Syrian military source criticized systems Air Defense C-300supplied by Russia as incapable of stopping Israeli airstrikes and as "backward" Middle east monitor with reference to the Russian Media Avia.pro. ,
    Turkey's undersecretariat of defense industry, said Syria Direct.
    “Like a long range system, S-300 suffers from the problem of the radar horizon, which means that targets cannot be detected if they lie low due to the curvature of the Earth. Attack aircraft, such as the F-16, fly relatively close to the surface of the earth, and by the time they are discovered, they have already fired
    . “There is no doubt that [Israel] uses cyber attacks and electronic countermeasures in parallel with its airstrikes,” said Egeli.
    “You can always fool [air defense] systems with baits and fake targets. Syrian air defense may think that you are 50 kilometers from where you are, or launch your missiles at targets that actually never happened, ”he added.
    “The last several professional officers who can be found in Syria, and then a lot of VIP sons, work in the Syrian Arab Air Defense. These are the sons of Assad's favorites or the heads of various special services. Some of them can fight, others are useless, ”Cooper explained.
    Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria linked to Iran's efforts to modernize Hezbollah's missiles. Some of these attacks were reported to have involved Israeli F-35s. This year's attacks continue at a rapid pace, when Syrian air defense forces fired more than 1000 air defense missiles to try to prevent Israel’s repeated attacks. So far they have given little.
    As you understand, this article is about C-300but not like about C-400
    Arye Egozi
    Reporter of the defense industry and military and civil aviation. A journalist in Israel writes for international magazines in the field of aviation and security.
  26. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 June 2020 16: 38
    0
    In order not to doubt, let them crash on Israeli planes from their S-400. laughing good
    1. really
      really 10 June 2020 16: 44
      0
      and if a Russian plane is dropped
  27. Anastezia
    Anastezia 10 June 2020 16: 49
    -3
    Israeli columnist

    We have here on the site half of these observers .... So we are in the know bully
  28. Federal1
    Federal1 10 June 2020 16: 49
    0
    All the bad ones around are alone, we are good, we know we heard ... So show how it shoots, if it can shoot at all, and what for you dragged it if it's not cardboard. And the excuses about those who have no analogs in the world overheard. Such a liverier is no longer bought, prove if there are eggs, and if not then say so, we are afraid of Israel ...
  29. bar
    bar 10 June 2020 17: 06
    0
    observing "inactive S-400 air defense systems, Turkey believes that these systems may actually not be as effective as previously thought."

    Strange statement of the question. Why do the Turks even watch? They already have their own S-400s. They would take it themselves and check whether they are effective against the Jews or not. And all doubts will disappear at once.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 10 June 2020 17: 21
      -1
      Quote: bar
      Why do the Turks even watch? They already have their own S-400s. They would take it themselves and check whether they are effective against the Jews or not. And all doubts will disappear at once.


      1 S-400 systems delivered to Turkey, but they still do not work.
      2 Unlike you, they have no doubt that this is NOT possible!
      1. bar
        bar 11 June 2020 09: 38
        +1
        Earn someday. Erdogan was not in vain buying the S-400 without the NATO system of recognition of his friend or foe. He had some plans for this shield.
        And yet, yes, we are different.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 11 June 2020 13: 02
          0
          Quote: bar
          Earn someday.

          Probably.
          Quote: bar
          Erdogan was not in vain buying the S-400 without the NATO system of recognition of his friend or foe. He had some plans for this shield.

          Protecting yourself, your beloved, from your flyers on the F-16 petriot does not see them.
          Well, from whom, from Russia, no, from Israel the same no (technology and Israeli training).
          Greece is not there either, they conducted many exercises with the Israeli Air Force on how to get around the S-300 and have weapons for these purposes.
          All that worries him is his life, after all, he wants to be a sultan of the Middle East.
          Quote: bar
          And yet, yes, we are different.

          No, we are not different, we just use different information.
          You are presented with what you like, but with us everything, like not to like IT IS WHAT IS.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 19: 16
            -1
            You are presented with what you like, but with us everything, like not to like IT IS WHAT IS.

            The fact that you believe in something is not at all a real state of affairs. And just in case, remember in Russia there are no restrictions on information. You are confusing it with something.

            they conducted many exercises with the Israeli Air Force on how to get around the S-300 and have weapons for these purposes.


            You are repeating again. This does not mean anything at all. I even wrote about the difference between the old export SAMs and ours. It is visible you do not understand, or do not want. For more recent, I will not comment at all.
            And there is no way to get around, the only real opportunity is to fill up an air defense system of this class with a bunch of missiles and missiles, destroying the CP, radar SUV and PU ...
  30. pereselenec
    pereselenec 10 June 2020 17: 10
    +2
    Did the S-300 and S-400 ever even ever bring down a real goal in the history of their existence?
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 10 June 2020 17: 34
      -4
      As far as I remember, there is only one statement (from the official state news agency) about the combat use of S-400.
      "The Syrian news agency SANA claims that for the first time during its stay in the SAR, the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system was used. According to the sources of the Syrian IA SANA, the S-400 air defense system was used by Russian military personnel to repel attacks on coastal facilities in the provinces of Latakia and Tartus In addition, it is stated that the complex was used to intercept missiles aimed at facilities in the province of Hama. "
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 19: 22
        0
        There were no in Syria.
        There were no corny goals for him. S-400 is not there to fight with Israel. This issue was resolved quite at the level of heads of state, and resolved as I believe.
        The S-400 is there for the dog so that it wouldn’t have occurred to the little Americans to think of accidentally dumping a couple of dozens of UABs at one point, and then telling us that we’re not at all doing it ....
    2. Federal1
      Federal1 10 June 2020 18: 11
      -1
      Nothing but civilian sides.
  31. Iris
    Iris 10 June 2020 23: 32
    0
    The very idea that Turkey can adjust its decisions as a result of the publication of a journal article is ridiculous. It is unlikely that the author of the original material, if he is in his mind, could count on this. Just the work of a journalist, incl. analytics - creating a product that the reader will buy.
  32. Alexander Schumacher
    Alexander Schumacher 11 June 2020 08: 52
    +1
    Yes, these C400 sucks, and Erdogan a masahist personifies stupid Turkey, they bought the first batch, tried rare shit and decided to buy another batch, well, what can I say a masahist)) - it turns out so?
    1. bar
      bar 11 June 2020 09: 40
      +2
      The elect of God want to convince everyone, including the Sultan himself, that this is so laughing
  33. Alien From
    Alien From 11 June 2020 18: 47
    0
    The talkhouse is all ....... empty talk ........ they are afraid to check on their own skin ........!
  34. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 19: 09
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    Quote: G. Georgiev
    and to protect the state of Syria.


    The key there is to protect against Isil. It is unlikely that we signed up for protection from Israel. Putin would not go for it. For reasons of principle. There is nothing for us to share with Israel. There are economic and political tasks. We solve them.
  35. Old26
    Old26 11 June 2020 19: 17
    +3
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    The article is about nothing.

    Just write exactly "what". Not so long ago in the article
    “Russian SAMs are incompetent”: Chinese media urge to take systems from China i wrote

    But the only thing is that when we sell a small amount of air defense systems to someone, we forget that in addition to aviation, missiles, drones, this side (which has our air defense systems) is opposed by such heavy artillery as the media of our opponents (rivals, competitors) .. Even without fighting in the ranks of supporters or opponents of Khavtar, she fulfills her mission. He does everything to show the actions of our air defense systems in a negative light. And they don't care who is "at the consoles".
    The result is important to them. And the result in Libya, alas, is the burned "Armor". And I think that they have thrown very serious efforts to cover this problem. We, unlike the Western media, do not carry out such "propaganda work" against their technology as they are against ours. We must pay tribute, they ate the dog on this. Where necessary "set off". where necessary "extinguish"... We sometimes act in a very straightforward manner, without a "spark".

    You mentioned the opportunity to hold a "photo session" with downed Turkish drones and "shells". The idea is good. But the people of Khavtar did not think of this before, and there seems to be no one to prompt. But the "other side" is using this situation 100% ...

    ... And this is a thought regularly communicated not only to the electorate, but also to those who decide on procurement as a result of which will result in not our complexes buying ...


    This article is just this series.
    Did the Russians deliver the S-300s to the Syrians? Put.
    The Russians have their own S-400s there.
    Russians shot down at least one Israeli plane with these two complexes? No, not shot down.

    All. The task of the article is solved. Sow a grain of doubt. Is the source anonymous? Anonymous, but you can understand this source. He does not want reprisals from the Assad regime to fall upon him.

    So this article is just one of the articles in the series of so far separate articles (not yet evening). Advocacy is targeted. And believe me, it will act because even at VO there are sometimes questions, why are our S-400 there if we are not defending our ally. Questions on the resource where this problem was voiced and reviewed 1000 times.

    Quote: Sniper
    Israel and KSA know which SAM is the most efficient. their "Patriots" screwed up the attack of the Scuds S. Hussein and the attacks of the Houthis

    If you will, I'll start from the end. The Patriots didn’t screw up the attack of Hussein’s SCAD. The death toll in those shelling 30 years ago can be counted on one hand.
    The same is true for the attacks of the Houthis. We, our media, take a separate Houthi missile strike, especially one in which the Patriot or other complex could not shoot down the attacking missiles and draw far-reaching conclusions from such a raid. But in reality, the conclusions are somewhat different. I already once wrote that there is an article on the Internet "Missile War in Yemen". which describes about 200 cases of attacks by the Houthis on targets in the KSA. And how many missiles were launched and how many were shot down. The average number is 60-70% of targets shot down.
    And oddly enough, the most effective air defense system is chosen. And this is essentially the American Patriot, which has been in operation for more than 30 years and has undergone several upgrades, turning from a complex capable of shooting down only aerodynamic targets (the one that opposed Hussein's missiles) to modern versions. And this is actually the most effective of the existing ones, because neither the S-300 nor the S-400 NEVER APPLIED IN BATTLE ACTION